#h1-builds-and-combat

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kind crescent
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but tidal dash 😭

timber hedge
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If i wanted to play swords and i only jave the zagerus aspect what boons should i use thats begginer friendly as in its easy to find

soft kiln
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ares attack athena special so you can go for ME

soft kiln
timber hedge
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But if u attack fast doesnt it stack up quickly?

plain river
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If you want deflect on fists play ME so you can justify ddash pick up

timber hedge
soft kiln
plain river
soft kiln
timber hedge
kind crescent
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DDash is unquestionably great, and I certainly wouldn't question anyone here about their suggestions. I'm still quite new, Hades was one of those "get to it eventually" games that I finally got around to

timber hedge
plain river
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Hmmmm

soft kiln
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i mean if lightnign strike does 13 damage a hit and you have +100% damage on fists, which does more damage? 10+13 or 10+10

soft kiln
timber hedge
soft kiln
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i learned the game with that and expanded from that with experience and chatting here

plain river
kind crescent
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hahah

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fair enough

soft kiln
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ddash stock skyrockets the higher in heat you go

kind crescent
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I need to do another Rama bow run. Still feeling cheated.

plain river
kind crescent
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That's a copy-pasta, right? Because that just looks absurd with how much damage rama ramps up

soft kiln
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tidal dash never needed help

kind crescent
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ok haha

soft kiln
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splash dash is unquestionably the best dash XD

kind crescent
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I was very confused about Rama when I first unlocked it and poked at Skelly, but it very quickly made sense in the run

timber hedge
plain river
soft kiln
plain river
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ME works on every weapon just like super soaker

timber hedge
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Always liked swords gonna go try it out ty

soft kiln
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artemis or aphrodite attack/zeus special/poseidon dash is a sweet sword build

plain river
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Artemis attack athena special passion dash nemesid

soft kiln
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aphro attack/demeter cast cold embrace 😉

soft kiln
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True

dim smelt
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How do I build fists

soft kiln
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short version is flat damage. so attacks that do straight damage instead of +% modifiers

plain river
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Arte attack don’t pick up hammers /j

plain river
tight basin
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Zeus atk aphro special

plain river
tight basin
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Cringe

plain river
tight basin
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True

soft kiln
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@rose nexus should probably talk here.

one day i'll have like zagrail frost strike spreadfire and get arctic blast early. find crystal beam, glacial glare, and cold embrace

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i want it to happen but it's so hard to make work

twin cloak
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Ive been forced to run with beams achilles before

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If there's one thing it's got going its probably the most efficient call charger outside of smair

soft kiln
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beams achilles is fine as long as you find glacial glare or crystal clarity or both. but cold embrace would be alright too. you don't need to hit things for very long before htey die

twin cloak
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Its so annoying how reliant it is on glare

soft kiln
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yeah

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it's similar to how ME is reliant on Impending Doom

twin cloak
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Mfw you need ce or clarity to make beam even usable and then both glare and arc blast to make it good

soft kiln
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cold embrace

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i think it's usable with just glare. it's just harder

twin cloak
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Its a downgrade over reg cast with just glare ngl

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Boiling too good

soft kiln
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oh cool i get to say skill issue tbh for once

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cold embrace does get more hate than it deserves though imo

twin cloak
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Ce is hated because it locks out clarity

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Although it's actually somewhat usable unlike freezing vortex

rose nexus
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Stygian would be better for Achilles always?

twin cloak
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stygian is better on beams because of glare

plain river
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and you’ll be fine

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Zag rail with spreadfire and dem strike and arctic blast is gaming enough

rose nexus
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With Stygian that would mean I’d get the stone back after 3 seconds right

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Stonks with extra casts

plain river
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Yes

soft tide
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So I know it's bad, but I'm a completionist and I want that prophecy completed. How do I build Guan You spear?

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Having trouble with the reduced health

plain river
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Focus on the special

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If you see charged skewer take it

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Only charge spin in between enemy waves

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spin is somewhat viable if you have quick and massive spin but otherwise focus on using the special

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And build either artemis or aphrodite on the special

cunning urchin
cunning urchin
plain river
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You have to beat them for your pride

twin cloak
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gy is based you just suck

plain river
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Guan-yu is not ew

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you are ew

twin cloak
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lvl1 gy is insane

plain river
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People who dislike guan-yu are like god’s legacy

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They are a scam

twin cloak
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u use df and pick hp

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and buy it from shop

plain river
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Dark foresight

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Obviously bouldy even speedtunners rely on rng

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You use CE

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Intentionally bad rng using CE to hide the fact that you use it

tight basin
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lvl 1 gy is good because in the hit game Hades, you're not supposed to get hit so the health loss in nothing

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says you

turbid needle
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gy spin build is fun af

twin cloak
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Yeah you can

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Just be goood

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And a lot more of my runs don't get stuff than do those just don't see the light of day

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50 heat punishing toxic

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Ah yes ce on a switch

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You're just salty you can't win runs with beowulf

plain river
soft kiln
plain river
cunning urchin
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Don't blame the weapon aspect for the player's mistakes.

soft kiln
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i know i'm bad but that doesn't mean gy isn't

plain river
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Don’t diss guan-yu like that

cunning urchin
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There's no hyphen, though.

rose nexus
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More like Guan Eww

plain river
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guan yu

rose nexus
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Guan dn

soft kiln
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guan eww

rose nexus
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More like Guano because it’s bat poop

soft kiln
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someone explain to me how to survive tartarus at high heat with gy and td3

plain river
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Guan W

soft kiln
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you can't cause it's guano

plain river
tight basin
soft kiln
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see you won't explain it. coward.

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that was directed at shackle not you bananas

tight basin
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oh lmao

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figured

soft kiln
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you basically just said get lucky

tight basin
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well the line ups and groupings you can sorta manipulate

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but after that yeah, aphro special and special spam

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charged skewer probably helps a lot

soft kiln
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that hasn't worked so far XD

tender latch
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cskewer goes hard

tender latch
tight basin
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ngl if you're struggling to clear for time, relying on damage rng probably isn't the way to go

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unless you get a good chaos early then it's fine

rose nexus
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alternatively never use guan eww

tight basin
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alternatively git gud

soft kiln
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skill issue tbh

tender latch
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Even insane players get screwed by td3 if they don't get good enough damage or enemy patterns

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Or they just die/reset because there's c2 speeder clone witches

soft kiln
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it's challenging on other weapons but on guan yu it basically feels impossible

tender latch
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Gy has a big hitbox so like

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If you keep them all in front of you more or less, special into 2 dash strikes clears a lot of projectiles

soft kiln
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oh i meant tart not specifically witches

tender latch
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Yeah but that's an example

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You're doing like 40-50 aren't you

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You're just gonna run into bad luck

tight basin
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he's on like 36 or something rn

soft kiln
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35

tender latch
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I'd rather chill on 9 heat and just mess around with fun sets while trying to go decently fast

soft kiln
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when i give up the climb i'll probably go down to 20 or 32 or something

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but that day is not this day

tight basin
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what's your pact btw

tender latch
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My first 32 was on beo and the rng was abysmal

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I got 5 sacked and all of my well items vanished

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Unmodded is hell

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Literally only survived thanks to athena call

rose nexus
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Overtime lmao

tight basin
soft kiln
tight basin
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hm

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do you typically oneshot stuff without charged skewer or is it like a 2 shot

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because i only use gy if i get cskewer

tender latch
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I'm too stubborn to take lc

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Too stubborn for stubborn defiance

rose nexus
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You’re good it’s just funny that you didn’t notice it on yours first :p

tight basin
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this was before i knew any of the 32 heat strats

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or the mirage bug

tender latch
rose nexus
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Look at the top of azi ss

tender latch
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I'm lost

tight basin
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same

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anyways

tender latch
tight basin
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no DF

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and PS

soft kiln
tight basin
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and shadow presence

soft kiln
tender latch
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Wait so like

rose nexus
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Where are all your boons lmfao

cunning urchin
tight basin
soft kiln
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i'm on 35 right now

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wait i think i finally cleared 35 so now it's 36

rose nexus
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Pstatus

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With … one curse

tight basin
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i said that already

rose nexus
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well excuse me princess

tight basin
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i didn't optimize for mirror

tender latch
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Castspects are so dominant for speedruns because they scale better multiplicatively than other stuff and can trigger more or less all at once, right

cunning urchin
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Ah. Well, at 36 Heat you can just do whatever you want in Tartarus tbh.

tender latch
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Cast ammo is fr busted

tight basin
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ngl all i cared about was DD, extra dash, casts, more hp, and reroll boons

tight basin
soft kiln
tender latch
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Are you using thick skin

tight basin
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"i need help on how to do this"
"just do whatever tbh"

rose nexus
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Just do whatever includes not use guan eww

tight basin
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it would be the source of the problem probably

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but based

cunning urchin
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I am replying to Guan Yu slander.

soft kiln
tender latch
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Guan yu is only terrifying later in heat

rose nexus
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Or at lv1

soft kiln
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just to be clear, it's a speed problem not a survivability problem

cunning urchin
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Yeah, later on you just reset for Charged Skewer. But 36 you can still do spin builds or whatever else you want.

tender latch
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Get cskewer art special

cunning urchin
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Well, just rotate Special > Dash-Strike x2.

soft kiln
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oh my bad i kept trying to do zeus shield throw

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no wonder

tender latch
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I-

cunning urchin
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Also make sure you don't self-sabotage with a pact that makes TD3 harder if TD3 is a problem for you, I suppose.

tight basin
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it's the standard 32 heat pact but with hl2 and cf2

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assuming standard 32 has hl1

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actually that's 35

tender latch
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hl spooky for gy

tight basin
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gonna need another somewhere

tender latch
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Highroll for life affirmation tbh

tight basin
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HS so you can get one shot from traps

soft kiln
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lol

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i think my pact includes everything that doesn't make the time longer or murder me with traps

tender latch
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Wait

soft kiln
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let me know if that's wrong though

tender latch
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Cskewer is a % right

tight basin
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200% max yeah

tender latch
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Aphro on cskewer is pointless and whoever mentioned it is silly

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Just run art

tight basin
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assuming you get cskewer

cunning urchin
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Guan Yu can get through Tartarus just fine with TD3 with just Shackle, so if you know the basic DPS rotation of Special > Dash-Strike x2 but you're running out of time, it's probably more fundamental issues than anything about Guan Yu specifically.

tender latch
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Oh no, 200% instead of 250%

soft kiln
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ok we are becoming more productive

tight basin
tender latch
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You're dash striking anyway

tight basin
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when i cleared 32 i didn't dstrike at all lmao

soft kiln
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i have attempted shackle a few times. i definitely can believe my fundamentals are bad

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i do special dash-strike x2 fwiw

tight basin
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i played gy like weird hesty

cunning urchin
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You can try Curse of Agony start and look for Divine Flourish and then Merciful End + Divine Dash.

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Maybe reduce CF2 because that will hurt your build and your max HP quite a bit.

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That or start Heartbreak Flourish.

soft kiln
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what is the other option besides CF2? HL seems terrifying

cunning urchin
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Well, whichever has higher rarity out of Heartbreak Strike and Heartbreak Flourish, I would take.

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HL is an option. AP1 I suppose is an option but that's worse odds for Charged Skewer.

tight basin
soft kiln
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i think ME in tart is undisputably the best option but it is a little magical christmasland

tender latch
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Does life affirmation apply to bought hearts like shop/well

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Because it specifies chambers I'm pretty sure

cunning urchin
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You don't need to find Merciful End in Tartarus lol.

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Just Curse of Agony will do good work already.

rose nexus
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Life affirmation just says any max life you find is more egg

soft kiln
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oh since we were talking aobut clearing tart i thought that's what you emant

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meant*

cunning urchin
tender latch
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Even centaur soul?

rose nexus
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Oh wow it actually does say chamber

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Hm why am I thinking it says otherwise

tender latch
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Because it isn't consistent w itself

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Also

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nyaa

cunning urchin
rose nexus
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Maybe it says different when you’re looking at it in game than it does in codex

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Cuz I swear

tender latch
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Enemy movement speed is multiplicative too isn't it

soft kiln
cunning urchin
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Should be multiplicative, yeah.

tender latch
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This is why fo2 speeders are hell on earth

tight basin
tender latch
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Ngl I wouldn't mind ap2 quite as much if uc didn't exist

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UC is just cruel

soft kiln
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UC took heart rend away from me today 😦

tender latch
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I intend to do like a few 40s at most

cunning urchin
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Charged Skewer will probably solve most of your problems and AP1 makes it less likely to get that. So probably better off not taking AP1.

tender latch
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But I'm basically always at 9 heat either to chill or speedrun

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Just play modded so ap1 doesn't screw you out of cskewer

soft kiln
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i'm not sure if i consider charged skewer a solution. i just wish there were more broad answers that let more options be the answer. i donno if any of you play slay the spire but that game really rewards making choices based on the situation rather than just having total control of getting the best card every time

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guaranteeing charged skewer doesn't feel like i overcame the challenge. it just feels like i used a game genie. to me at least.

cunning urchin
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The actual solution tbh is just to practice more. There's better and worse builds and pacts at 36, but they're all doable, ultimately.

tender latch
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There's also the fact that high heat in hades is just a self imposed hell

soft kiln
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i think i need a guide. i donno how much better i'm going to get at pathing/lining enemies up without examples

tender latch
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Does slay the spire add hellish modifiers on top of one another that get exponentially worse

rose nexus
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What aspects are good to practice shackle?

soft kiln
tender latch
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Crit ones/high base damage

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So stuff like rama, nemesis, zagbow, hestia, etc

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Ar*hur

rose nexus
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And how do you handle the boons? Just avoid cores for your damage source?

soft kiln
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it is far and away the best roguelike imo. it's skill ceiling is ludicrously high and the best players in the world are still learning new strategies. it has 20 ascensions which are essentially heat that you can't control. Ascension 20 is aa completely different game from A0

cunning urchin
tender latch
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Yeah, but like

soft kiln
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i'm a really visual learner, but i won't really know what to improve on without seeing what is correct. i'll check out he leaderboard thanks

tender latch
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Having 20 escalating difficulties makes it sound like they at least balanced for that

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Heat's more of a sandbox that isn't meant to all be slapped together at once, and you can pick and choose what you want to be limited by

cunning urchin
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The existence of so-called learning styles like being a visual learner etc. has been thoroughly discredited in the research literature, yet the myth persists. squirtnya

tight basin
tender latch
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Hades had a lot of stuff nerfed already but I don't think the devs are balancing for funny button mashing of the heat gauge

tight basin
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sell off core boons if you get them

soft kiln
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i experience it on the daily :p

tender latch
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Or, like

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Astrology mfs

soft kiln
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that is an interesting factoid though.

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i wonder what the explanation for experience would be then.

tender latch
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Or for an actual comparison that isn't as silly, the alpha wolf hierarchy being disproven

cunning urchin
soft kiln
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tbf that was never actually proven

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it was just people misunderstanding research to begin with

soft kiln
tender latch
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I rarely take any scientific statement as fact unless it's been relatively recently verified with studies and whatnot

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Call it Spinosaurus PTSD

cunning urchin
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Anyway, watching a run or two from the high heat leaderboard for something to model your gameplay after should help if you haven't seen any runs like that yet.

tender latch
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As an aside, Spinosaurus is ridiculous

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This mf has undergone more transformations than Frieza

soft kiln
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is that the thing that's like a collection of fossils stapled together to look like something that never existed

cunning urchin
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I fear we're getting off-topic. dusa

soft kiln
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because they had no idea what it looked like or evidently that there weren't enough bones

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🚔

tender latch
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There's another dinosaur that fits that description so I honestly can't say for sure whether you have the right thing in mind

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Giant hands mf or funny fan-shaped back mf

soft kiln
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i guess it's unsurprising that that happened twice and also i'm bad a guan yu

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there i did an on topic :p

cunning urchin
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You could do some runs with just EM2 FO2 TD3 and aim for sub 10 with Guan Yu for practice.

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Speedruns are always good practice for mechanics.

soft kiln
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i can't seem to break 13 anymore and i'm not sure why. it's almost certainly an enemy efficiency thing

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could be a nice break from the hell i'm currently in. not sure if my fomo will allow the time spent on not progressing :p

cunning urchin
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Well, you do all runs at increasing heats, no? It's quite normal to slow down as you go up.

tender latch
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^

cunning urchin
soft kiln
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that is a good point i will endeavor to make my brain believe 🙂

tender latch
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There was a time where my pb was 12 minutes with beo lmao

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And it was at 16 heat

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Heat just slows you down past 9

soft kiln
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true. i always forget that speedrunning is done at lower heats

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looking back at lower heats you can be so much more sloppy

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nothing matters but lining enemies up

cunning urchin
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If you wanna use my practice/build-test pact from when I was still actively competiting in high heat, do HL5 LC4 JS3 EM2 CP2 FO2 TD3 and optionally DC2 depending on aspect. dusa

tender latch
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dc2 arthur 💪

cunning urchin
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I don't like Exalibur in speedruns nor in 40+ lol.

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It's a lot of fun outside of that.

soft kiln
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i think i might quit climbing before i start doing dc, ap, and whichever one takes your mirror away

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sounds awful

cunning urchin
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Oh, I forgot CP2.

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It was for testing if my builds were viable for JS3 CP2 without timing out and also just to stay sharp.

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Also to figure out DPS rotations and stuff.

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Any time I had an idea for a build, I'd run that against that pact pretty much.

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And then tried to figure out how to make the build work from there.

timber hedge
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rail + thunder strike + posiden or ares dash so stronk no joke

fickle snow
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I want to unlock that last skelly statue, but my best is heat 17 with Chiron bow. What do you recommend for weapon aspect/pact for 32?

turbid needle
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Arthur :3 as for pact just take anything that won’t cripple your build. Ideally you want td3 and skip em4. Skip extra enemies/enemy health.

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I cant remember the names its been a while

iron barn
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you could play hestia shackle if you dont want to have fun

tight basin
tight basin
plain river
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Make sure for lc4 you’re using SD

tight basin
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And that

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Issue here is that instead of fo2 idk what else you would take lol

turbid needle
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I need to pull up the pact

tight basin
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i mean fo2 can sorta be free if you learn it

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fo2 is very doable on arthur, but it'll suck a lot if you're jumping straight to 32 heat on arthur with fo2 if you have no idea how fast fo2 is

twin cloak
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Me when the speeder fo2 wavemaker rooms take 2 minutes

tight basin
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sounds like a you problem

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i'd personally take 0 minutes

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because i wouldn't play arthur

turbid needle
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I did arthur 40 with fo2/hl5, it's very manageable, just have to be good at the weapon

twin cloak
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It takes 2 minutes on every bad weapon

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Like nem

turbid needle
twin cloak
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:troll

turbid needle
plain river
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Replace hl and something else with fo2 🧠🧠🧠

tight basin
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take dc2 instead of hl2 dusa

turbid needle
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I know you're memeing, but that does work fine with some aspects, like zeus

twin cloak
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Yeah it does

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No survival room

tight basin
tender latch
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em3 is rough for arthur lmao

plain river
tender latch
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Wrong

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You're slowed down because you can't facetank as hard

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lc4 700% slows you down, you're literally spending time to die to lava just for the healing

plain river
tender latch
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  • several dd animations adding more than a second every time they play
plain river
tender latch
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Getting hit is part of speedrunning

twin cloak
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No they aren't i get them like 1 in 2 runs playing igt

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Its like 70 hours of igt runs bro

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It evens out

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Mad cuz bad

plain river
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Saying things like that is cringe

tender latch
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There's a whole window where zag is just arching his back and you can move but not attack

lucid oar
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I want to do 50 heat dio beo

twin cloak
tender latch
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?

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It still slows you down

twin cloak
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It takes less time than a standard room still

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Oh wait

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Nvm

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Thought that was referring to something else

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I'm running on 3 hours of sleep sorry

strange lark
lucid oar
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Drunken dash *

twin cloak
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Trash dash

plain river
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Drunken core

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every button other than cast should inflict hangover

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Including pause and open codex

soft tide
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Any Beowulf guides out there?

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Arthur too for that matter

plain river
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alternatively use aphrodite cast

plain river
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Mirage shot bugged on beo to do 100% damage

rose nexus
plain river
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If on console

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Kbm players exist

rose nexus
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They shouldn’t

plain river
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Idk how they map their keyboard

rose nexus
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Get a gamepad smdh my dang mdh

plain river
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Smh my head my head

rose nexus
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Atm im at my atm machine

turbid needle
# soft tide Arthur too for that matter

get aphro attack and shadow slash hammer, the rest is up to you really. I like athena dash and just go with w/e else. Also look at out for sweet surrender, broken resolve and life affirmation.

soft tide
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I'm on steam deck btw

tight basin
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Remap cast a convenient button then

soft tide
plain river
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idk about keyboard

tight basin
rose nexus
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On controller, cast by default is the furthest right button and attack is the furthest left (of the ABXY/right thumb buttons)

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So you can’t easily press cast during/just before attack, which is a fairly common thing Beowulf wants to do

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As usual ignore ddash (the person)

tight basin
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Slicing flare good tho

rose nexus
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I don’t even wanna know how Crystal flare would work

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Do you just pretend you’re playing zag shield after that happens?

tight basin
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Frost flare

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Has a short delay to it before popping

rose nexus
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No beams? f_

tight basin
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No lol

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I think it used to in early access and then they changed it

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Has terrible pom scaling tho which is why it sucks

rose nexus
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On the subject

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Is trippy flare pom scaling bugged like I read?

tight basin
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Yes

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Poms give double value of what is says

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So if it says 100 -> 140 it'll actually be 180

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Pretty sure anyways

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I just don't know what the damages are anymore I just know it's higher

rose nexus
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Would the next one say 140-xxx? Or correctly show 180-xxx

tight basin
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Good question

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No clue

rose nexus
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Demoted

tight basin
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Just know it's more damage than it's supposed to and that's what makes trippy even better lmao

plain river
plain river
rose nexus
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Based

tight basin
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lit so you'll never know how much damage you're truly dealing unless you look at damage numbers

plain river
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You will

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(Cast damage-base damage of cast including rarity)*2

rose nexus
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Yeah just remember all that

tight basin
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ew math

lucid oar
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-base damage goes outside brackets

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iirc

plain river
lucid oar
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Nvm it’s (-base damage)/2

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So (160-(100/2))*2

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Which is 220

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Which is correct

plain river
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oh you could do (cast damage*2)-(base damage*2) rsther than
(Cast damage - base damage)*2

rose nexus
#

Lmao y’all

lucid oar
plain river
#

Bl**d and d*rkn*ss

lucid oar
#

mathment

plain river
#

Using a keyboard to do math is annoying

#

Especially a mobile device keyboard

twin cloak
#

If you get a replace it shows true damage value iirc

tight basin
#

replace trippy flare for thunder flare

thorn tendon
#

support boons for thunder flare are actually great

#

double strike is a better mirage shot

tight basin
#

Mirage doesn't work on thunder flare lmfao

#

Thunder flares cast damage is technically 0

#

It sunmons lightning from the sky

#

Not great aoe either

acoustic vale
#

How does Chiron's targeting thing work with twin and triple shot?

plain river
#

Twin shot is basically normal

#

Triple shot I’m not sure

acoustic vale
#

I kinda assumed they'd be incompatible for this exact reason but wiki says they aren't

lucid oar
#

triple shot marks the enemy struck by the middle arrow

acoustic vale
#

Oh. Weird

rose nexus
#

Typically its the last enemy to be hit by your attack

#

So the furthest enemy in the targeting line

deep lake
#

what would be better for a hunting blades build with infernal soul, extra cast or 53% cast damage

#

I'm thinking cast damage?

lucid oar
#

how much cast damage do you already have

#

and what aspect

deep lake
#

achilles spear and 34%

lucid oar
#

+1 is way better then

deep lake
#

alright

strange lark
#

third option

lucid oar
#

special damahg op!

rose nexus
#

Extra gold so you can buy more Poms for cast

#

IMO

plain river
#

Extra resources for resource director

mighty scroll
#

Rama's special, +4 special arrows, Demeter's special boon and the one that makes 10 stacks explode is pretty fun

tight basin
#

unaruably

mighty scroll
#

Yeah I'm not seeing how the aspect of beowulf is that great

#

Maybe I'm using bad casts or something

tight basin
#

what cast are you using

rose nexus
#

Shackle cast I hope

mighty scroll
#

I've tried Ares, Artemis and Dyonisus

rose nexus
#

Try pos

mighty scroll
#

Ok

tight basin
#

mirage shot is bugged on beo to give 100% extra damage

rose nexus
#

And know that mirage shot yeah what he said

tight basin
#

so pos cast with arty atk, find mirage, win

tight basin
mighty scroll
#

Mirage shot?

tight basin
#

yes

mighty scroll
#

What that

tight basin
#

arty pos duo

mighty scroll
#

Oh

rose nexus
#

Makes your cast come out a second time

tight basin
#

cast fires a second projectile at 30% power, but on beo it's bugged to do 100%

mighty scroll
#

Sounds neat

tight basin
#

bugwulf moment

rose nexus
#

It’s gaming

mighty scroll
#

I got 3k damage once with rama

#

I like rama

tight basin
#

rama is gaming indeed

#

beo can get numbers that high as well

mighty scroll
#

I don't like guan yu however

rose nexus
#

Guan Ewww

tight basin
#

needs rush delivery but beo deals more consistent overall damage than rama

strange lark
#

guan yu is goated

strange lark
rose nexus
mighty scroll
#

I got to hades 3rd phase for the first time and I was split between focusing on the music or hades

plain river
#

Em4 phase

mighty scroll
#

Ye

jagged grove
#

is purple static discharge always better then purple doublestrike on eris?

rose nexus
#

Jolted is almost always better I think

strange lark
#

if you have lightning strike then yes

jagged grove
#

alright! Thanks!

tight basin
#

Is jolted worth taking over splitting bolt

#

Because both are incredibly useful

turbid needle
#

splitting bolt is still better

#

and even if it jolted was better, you'd still take splitting bolt cos it's alot easier to find jolted later

plain river
#

you are more likely to find jolted than splitting bolt

turbid needle
#

I guess it also depends on your aspect and other zeus boons

#

but personally I'd always take splitting

tight basin
#

That's true

#

What if it's last boon before dad fight tho

turbid needle
#

depends on the rate at which I'm hitting things with lighting

tight basin
#

Fair

plain river
#

Why would you be using legacy though

turbid needle
#

you probably picked legacy to find splitting bolt in the first place KEKW

plain river
#

Untrue

#

You find plenty of legendaries and duos with pride on

turbid needle
#

I think you missed the joke

plain river
#

I very much did and still do shadegrief

turbid needle
#

anyway 🏳️‍🌈 good legacy bad

rose nexus
#

Legacy based

#

Gotta get that duo digger victory subtitle

plain river
#

It popped out of my album while I was spewing out legacy slander give me a second to find it

rose nexus
#

Same

plain river
#

Lmfao it’s my most recently sent photo

#

I finally went and looked

#

Sorry for glare

rose nexus
#

Face re-reveal

plain river
#

Shadows making my face look like I have a 125 degree jawline

plush pollen
#

is chiron bow with like 2 upgrades still good on its own ?

#

idk which boon to put on it tho

#

the hangover or the crit

plain river
#

Which special is better for 5 arrows chiron is what they are asking

plain river
#

If you’re playing into the special on chiron you usually take aphrodite attack yeah

turbid needle
#

can someone tell me how to get better at the spear

#

its my fav weapon cuz i like the triple jab + flurry jab + doom/chill/hangover type

#

im v new so idek if thats an actual build

turbid needle
plain river
#

Which spear?

turbid needle
#

i have all aspects but so far i like achilles the most

turbid needle
plain river
#

Flurry jab is right 👍

turbid needle
#

theres only one spear right

cunning urchin
#

Scroll up a bit in #h1-discussion for my comment there for a spear build.

plain river
turbid needle
plain river
#

achilles goes like tidal dash, artemis attack, ares cast

strange lark
#

normal achilles build is ares attack, athena special, athena dash, and merciful end

plain river
turbid needle
#

ok thx

plain river
#

ME spear lmfao

turbid needle
#

where can i post image

#

i cant here

plain river
turbid needle
#

i wanna ask if my current build will escape

plain river
turbid needle
#

bruh

turbid needle
cunning urchin
#

Merciful End is not the "normal" Achilles build, no. But it works, too.

strange lark
#

yes it is

plain river
#

ME is the only achilles build wdym

#

anyways hunting blades achilles goes hard

#

Wdym the real fists build is artemis attack hammerless talos

strange lark
#

fists are not a weapon

turbid needle
strange lark
#

it will escape if you do not die

turbid needle
#

i just find it hilarious how if i hold attack and dash 3 times in a row everything just dies

#

with chill

#

its so satisfying

#

and i jjust got this thing where 10 chill stacks explodes or smth

cunning urchin
#

Y'all need to tone down the memes and give genuine answers when people ask for help.

plain river
#

Arctic blasr

turbid needle
#

bruh but i think i do

plain river
cunning urchin
#

It's honestly getting pretty obnoxious lately.

turbid needle
#

i only escaped once so far and its with shield cheese

plain river
#

abyssal blood achilles make sense wdym

tender latch
#

Abyssal blood for fo2 🧠

turbid needle
#

are there any general tips for the heroes like i always nearly end up killing theseus but die

tender latch
#

Yes

#

Murder Asterius first

#

Then focus Theseus

turbid needle
#

currently im destroying all the normal encounters but im scared ill mess up

tender latch
#

Hide behind pillars when Theseus targets you for spear throw

turbid needle
turbid needle
tender latch
#

After he throws, you can chase him and hit his back while he walks away

#

Nope, obstacles block basically everything

plain river
#

You either dash out of the way or hide behind a pillar

strange lark
#

you can throw your spear to the other side of the room and then dash to it to dodge attacks

#

with achilles

turbid needle
#

will the pillars ever get permanently destroyed then?

strange lark
#

yeah just block with spear

turbid needle
#

how

#

just attack?

plain river
tender latch
#

He's being sarcastic

turbid needle
#

bruh

tender latch
#

Bc the other guy said "just block with shield"

#

The joke was "why say shield, are you gonna block with a spear????"

turbid needle
#

ok wb guan yu aspect i thgouth it was gon be op but i died to tisiphone

tender latch
#

Is it maxed

plain river
#

It is OP

turbid needle
#

its not

#

i only tried it just once

tender latch
#

That's your main issue

strange lark
#

guan yu kinda sucks when its not maxed

tender latch
#

Max it out

#

Isn't it like

turbid needle
#

bruh so its only good when its maxxed?

tender latch
#

30% to 50%

turbid needle
#

how many bloods is that

strange lark
#

its easier to use maxed

tender latch
#

15

#

Total

turbid needle
#

bruh ok

tender latch
#

I'd probably target another aspect first

turbid needle
#

i have achilles aspect number 2

#

level 2

tender latch
#

Achilles is really good

turbid needle
#

ok ic

tender latch
#

Just put poseidon dash on it, then get zeus or artemis strike

plain river
#

Lies and slander

tender latch
#

From there you either spam more zeus or get ares cast for hunting blades

#

Or highroll to get zeus + splash dash + hunting blades lmao

plain river
#

And if you see flurry jav take it

cunning urchin
#

Tbh my main advice for that boss is to focus on getting stronger builds. DPS for the build you linked is pretty low. Frost Strike isn't much damage on its own and requires Killing Freeze for good DPS. Mistral Dash is very low DPS and would only be saved by Killing Freeze, too, but you already have Chill on Attack (where it's better anyway), and you wouldn't benefit from Killing Freeze twice. So... current DPS and DPS potential of the build you posted is pretty low.

turbid needle
#

whats highroll

plain river
turbid needle
#

y do the numbers look so big tho

tender latch
#

Do you have god keepsakes?

turbid needle
#

like for a few seconds its 1 thousand

turbid needle
#

the entier second row?

tender latch
#

Good

#

If you need help clearing, go for athena dash

plain river
tender latch
#

It gives you extra iframes

plain river
#

they can look so much bigger

turbid needle
#

bruh i escpaed on my 51st attempt with like 20 hours is that embarassing

tender latch
#

I mean with hestia you can get 2k+ in an instant

plain river
tender latch
#

Or clockets lmao

strange lark
turbid needle
cunning urchin
turbid needle
#

yea

#

bruh my friend beated it within 2 days idk how many hours lmao

#

so i thought i was bad

strange lark
tender latch
#

How are you getting 1000+ damage hits with dem spear tho

turbid needle
#

idk i just hold my attack and dash around

plain river
turbid needle
#

i have triple dash

tender latch
turbid needle
#

i just find it so satsifying with triple jab and flurry thats y i like spear

strange lark
#

idk what went wrong

plain river
tender latch
#

Flurry is the best hammer for achilles so your instinct is right there

cunning urchin
tender latch
strange lark
#

i dont have enough blood

tender latch
#

Ah right

#

Did you have crystal clarity or smth

turbid needle
strange lark
#

yeah

plain river
#

what else would it mean

turbid needle
#

ok

strange lark
turbid needle
#

also does deflect mean 100% of the time or no

tender latch
#

Support fire 💪

strange lark
plain river
#

anyways achilles already gives high additive damage so crit % works better than more additive damage

tender latch
#

What're the other options

#

But yeah it's useful

plain river
#

yes

strange lark
#

its not healing

#

its max hp

tender latch
#

^

plain river
#

it’s max hp bouldy

tender latch
#

It'd be super based if strong drink busted through lc4 ngl

#

Dio athena meta

#

Why exactly does sd go through it while dd and other stuff doesn't

#

Not complaining if it's a bug, since it's basically the only way people can do high heat

plain river
tender latch
#

Doesn't dd not do it on lc4

strange lark
#

what

plain river
#

Are you asking if dd just straight up does nothing on lc4 bouldy

tender latch
#

Could've sworn I've gone into 40+ and triggered dd for 1 health

plain river
#

dd works on lc4

tender latch
#

Oh aight

strange lark
tender latch
#

I had a weird run a while ago where smth like that happened yeah

cunning urchin
tender latch
#

Nope, I had all aspects maxed before I got 32 on all weapons

#

I don't remember the weapon though

tight basin
#

Chaos curse where max health put you at 2 hp lmao

tender latch
#

I'd never take chaos in high heat lmao

strange lark
#

why

plain river
#

omg lmao what

tender latch
#

mfw excruciating wealth

plain river
#

Doing achilles and tart gave me pos aphrodite artemis and ares

tight basin
#

32 isn't that high, you can take chaos for that

tender latch
#

ap2 into roiling

#

1: I wasn't speedrunning back then so I wasn't that good

strange lark
#

why are you using ap2

tight basin
#

Why ap2 at 32 bouldy

tender latch
#

Ap2 at 40+

strange lark
#

bruh

tight basin
#

Why ap2 at 40 lmao

tender latch
#

Avoiding em4 at all costs

strange lark
#

?

tight basin
#

You can still avoid em4 and ap2

strange lark
#

facts

tight basin
#

At 40 at least

strange lark
#

there is no such thing as an em3 40 pact

tight basin
tender latch
#

I don't pay attention to heat I just go zoom

tight basin
#

Just take some hl and js and you're good

tender latch
#

l2 jolted beo

#

amazing

plain river
#

C12 hunting blades lmfao

tight basin
strange lark
tender latch
#

Speaking of highrolls

cunning urchin
strange lark
tight basin
tight basin
plain river
#

Ahhh I forgot to switch back to antos after doing a hoarding slash meme run

strange lark
plain river
#

I have bouldy

strange lark
#

componion astaos zagluv

tight basin
strange lark
#

just block it

tight basin
#

Also like it's shackle, I can afford to take cf2 lmao

strange lark
tight basin
tender latch
#

Imagine if you could pom boonless cores

#

Messes with everything else but it'd make shackle stuff fat

strange lark
#

that would be insane

plain river
#

Do I take heart rend or mirage shot? Achilles w/ hunting blades

strange lark
#

mirage shot probably

plain river
#

I think it’s heart rend but idk

strange lark
#

just get as much cast damage as possible

tender latch
#

mirage 200%

#

What do you have for weak

plain river
#

Heartbreak flourish

tender latch
#

I mean either way it's still mirage but eh

plain river
#

Nevermind lol I got heart rend next chamber lmfao

tight basin
#

Isn't most of your dps coming from the blades tho

plain river
#

I have both now

tight basin
#

Oh lmfao

strange lark
#

!cheating

plain river
#

what can I say pride makes your rng better

strange lark
#

olympian favor makes your rng better

#

mirrorless makes your rng even better

#

look at this illegal mirrorless build

plain river
turbid needle
#

any tips for beating hades himself

lucid oar
#

Dash through the spins

plain river
#

Reduce his health to 0 while keeping your own above 0

lucid oar
#

🤯

plain river
#

oh rip no flurry jab second hammer

tender latch
#

That's not very reliable especially for a new player

turbid needle
#

guys what boons are best with arthur

tender latch
strange lark
#

ares attack athena special athena dash merciful end

tender latch
#

Revenge effects are pretty neat too since you're already tanky

plain river
#

Dedge

tender latch
#

Would arthur be viable for big heat if its effect changed to native 50% damage reduction

strange lark
#

like 6:01 by bablo

tender latch
#

Faster than my pb

#

Like wtf is that

strange lark
#

bablo

tender latch
#

yeah modded does crazy things

strange lark
#

unmodded is mid 6 by magnil

strange lark
#

still extremely slow

plain river
#

50

tender latch
#

Buff arthur by 60%

#

80 damage dstrikes

lucid oar
#

Just use dash strike tech

strange lark
#

buff gilgamesh by 100%

#

40 damage dstrikes

lucid oar
#

Enough to kill a numbskull

tender latch
#

omg 6 extra dashes

#

Or would it be 4

#

I forgot

#

Fists bad

strange lark
#

4

plain river
#

Wait lmfao I just got 20 heat bounty on heroes what

tender latch
#

sad

plain river
#

wait that means no darkness from dad
shadegrief 🔫

strange lark
#

skill issue

turbid needle
#

out of tempest strike tempest flourish and tidal dash which shld i take

#

im using spear

plain river
#

Dash

turbid needle
#

alr

cunning urchin
#

If he ever doesn't offer his Dash at the start of the run, you take Flood Shot instead.

#

Then still look for Tidal Dash after that.

tender latch
#

Tidal dash is the best poseidon boon and has an argument for best boon in the game

#

Straight up invalidates an entire biome

strange lark
#

idk man as

plain river
#

Level 50 heroic ddash doesn’t even reach the levels of power of epic level 10 splash dash

cunning urchin
plain river
#

The attack that would’ve killed me… from what?

#

Enemy already dead

cunning urchin
#

EM dad spear?

plain river
#

deadened

cunning urchin
#

Strong claims. Now back them up. dusa

turbid needle
#

is serrated point good

strange lark
#

yeah if you can get past the -25% dash distance

#

or is it 30%

cunning urchin
turbid needle
#

25

#

what should i choose between flaring spin extending jab and serrated opint

#

man i like the spear so much but keep dying to hades

cunning urchin
#

Serrated.

turbid needle
#

ok

cunning urchin
#

Where are you now? Tartarus?

#

Do you have an Attack boon yet?

turbid needle
#

yes frost strike for attack boon

turbid needle
#

im gon stop playing soon

#

for today

plain river
#

Pray for high rarity killing freeze

turbid needle
#

brjh this is actually getting depressing for spear i got all the rewards except styx

#

same with heat 1

#

so i haev to beat hades twice just to get 2 awards

#

rewards

cunning urchin
#

Take the Frostbitten Horn into Asphodel then.

turbid needle
#

i also feel like i cant play anything except shield cuz shield has a block that needs to be nerfed

cunning urchin
#

And look for Killing Freeze.

turbid needle
plain river
#

Block doesn’t need to be nerfed lmfao

turbid needle
#

bruh its like impossible to die with shield

#

i didnt learn that it blocks literally everything until 20 houhrs in

#

and i just escaped on first try with it

cunning urchin
#

I don't even think Aegis is the best beginner weapon tbh.

plain river
#

Best beginner weapon is spreadfire zag rail

cunning urchin
#

Nah lol.

plain river
#

I legit want to do a dem boon focused run but can’t figure out which weapon to use

plain river
cunning urchin
#

The cleanest first clears I've seen from newbies were always with spear and rail, actually.

plain river
#

Spreadfire rail right shadesmile

cunning urchin
#

Eris lol.

plain river
#

Clockets is alway clean

cunning urchin
#

Nah, just Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash mostly.

#

Even Fists. Most new players have no idea how to get good damage with Aegis. Malphon is very straightforward.

strange lark
#

yeah you really only need tempest strike for fists

plain river
#

You only really need doom special for fists

cunning urchin
#

Very slow boss fights with Aegis means a lot can go wrong.

plain river
#

Use both at the same time 🧠

#

Grab stygius and aegis and hop into a run before dad can stop you for pulling an illegal gamer move

#

And spear cuz why not

#

Fists are kinda just gloves you can wear them while holding everything else

#

And at that point just grab bow as well cuz like you had 5/6 of the set now you have them all

magic dagger
plain river
plain river
magic dagger
#

base, of course
I used my very limited blood on trying to make the rail more-to-my-taste

rose nexus
#

Yeah I reset after 15 runs so I could put all my blood on one weapon instead of 6, put it on zag shield, and got my first clear while chasing dark thirst with the sword smh

grizzled estuary
#

also question, how do you like... make the specific challenge builds, specifically the boons? like how do you garuntee youll run into those

lucid oar
#

You can never guarantee it, but once you unlock a lot of stuff it becomes much more consistent

rose nexus
#

Mods or just rng

lucid oar
#

Use god keepsakes, fated persuasion for rerolling boons, dark foresight for more boons

#

Also filling in your god pool early to increase the chance of seeing those gods in the pool

grizzled estuary
#

filling in your god pool?

lucid oar
#

Ok so basically

#

Getting a boon from a god puts that god in your “pool”

rose nexus
#

The game wants to give you 4 different gods at maximum

lucid oar
#

Once you have 4 non Hermes/chaos gods in your pool, it’ll only offer boons from those gods

#

Unless you force a different god in using a keepsake

grizzled estuary
#

oooh

rose nexus
#

My runs got so much better when I stopped getting a fourth god in tart so when I force the 4th in asphodel I only have a 4pool

grizzled estuary
#

well even if you use a keepsake it isnt a guaruntee you'll get them right? ive had a keepsake on all the way through elysium and not run into them

lucid oar
#

It’s basically guaranteed

#

Even more so if you use dark foresight

lucid oar
grizzled estuary
#

honestly theres so many aspects to the game that im unsure what to focus on next, ive had three successful escape attempts so far

rose nexus
grizzled estuary
rose nexus
#

You can’t just leave it equipped to continue getting that god

#

Correct

lucid oar
grizzled estuary
#

ooooh ok

tight basin
#

keepsake rotation every run should be god -> different god -> defensive/utility -> defense/offense/utility

grizzled estuary
#

oooh ok

tight basin
#

typically for newer players, the end is defensive -> defensive

rose nexus
#

I feel like people sleep on spearpoint

tight basin
#

spear point is great for styx

grizzled estuary
#

SPEARPOINT CARRIED ME MY FIRST ESCAPE

rose nexus
#

I think I’ve had it prevent more damage at dad than acorn, often

#

Especially if you get rude adds like archers

lucid oar
#

Spearpoint is also good for em4 if you have a really large health pool

grizzled estuary
#

em4?

tight basin
#

what does spear point actually do again lmao, invincibility for 1.5 seconds when you're hit, refreshes in 5 sec?

rose nexus
#

Extreme Measures 4

grizzled estuary
#

oooh

lucid oar
#

Lategame spoilers

rose nexus
tight basin
#

hm

grizzled estuary
#

its not a spoiler to me necessarily, ive only gone up to em1 though, its a fun take on that first fight for sure

tight basin
#

i'm assuming the first hit doesn't give you invincibility because otherwise it'd be busted

tight basin
rose nexus
#

Then you’ll understand em4 is just the fourth boss getting EM treatment

plain river
grizzled estuary
tight basin
#

but yeah you get the idea

tight basin
grizzled estuary
#

credits is only after 10 successful escapes right?

tight basin
#

yes

rose nexus
#

Shackle -> Shackle -> Shackle -> Coinpurse

grizzled estuary
tight basin
#

shackle -> shackle -> shackle -> shackle

grizzled estuary
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PLEASE AHAHAHA

tight basin
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shackle is a good keepsake for very specific runs lmao

plain river
tight basin
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true

grizzled estuary
magic dagger
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it's not super soaker
it's just tempest strike

plain river
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I have literally completed runs with every aspect of every weapon with shackle -> shackle -> shackle -> shackle and no attack/special/cast cores

grizzled estuary
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ahh does this channel not have image perms?

plain river