h1-builds-and-combat

[random relic]

bruh

how are you not

ok lets assume jolted just doesnt exist

its not a boon in the game

ok?

[dreamy prism]

I know exactly what you're gonna say and it doesn't detract from what I said

[random relic]

so dio is better on eris because it has better damage overall, right?

[dreamy prism]

everyone else knows exactly what I'm talking about

[tender latch]

Castpect player here, already done

[thorn tendon]

they’re trolling

[random relic]

then why does zeus run zeus over dio?

remember, jolted doesnt exist

[dreamy prism]

because of a combination of zeus special > zeus attack and jolted being less significant on a staggering aspect

[random relic]

no

jolted doesnt exist

[dreamy prism]

of course with jolted not existing zeus special is still better

[random relic]

remove it from the equation

[random relic]

yeah this is the question

[dreamy prism]

but jolted existing but being less impactful on a staggering aspect further tips it into zeus special's favor

[random relic]

why is zeus special better than dio without jolted

thats the question

not why is jolted less impactful on zeus than eris

those are 2 different questions

[dreamy prism]

?

[strange lark]

Dio special straight up sucks on Zeus shield ngl

[random relic]

answer this question

[dreamy prism]

jolted is part of the equation when you consider zeus vs dio

[random relic]

no, assume jolted doesnt exist

ok?

[dreamy prism]

that's not the question

[random relic]

yes, it is

[dreamy prism]

no it's literally not wtf

[random relic]

were talking about ap2 scenarios where you dont rely on jolted

[dreamy prism]

the question is why in reality do you run zeus special vs dio special

[tender latch]

Dbetaedebate

Debate tactics

[random relic]

so its safe to assume that you cant get it

[tender latch]

Gish gallop her

[dreamy prism]

and in reality jolted is still relevant even on AP2

[tender latch]

Gaslight him

Gatekeep them

Girlboss us

[random relic]

right, its because the damage from zeus special without jolted is higher than the damage from dio special

thats why

jolted has nothing to do with it

[strange lark]

We all know frost flourish with arctic blast is the best

[dreamy prism]

it's absolutely part of the reason why regardless

because jolted is still a factor

[random relic]

on eris zeus attack without jolted does less damage than dio attack

so you take dio attack

[random relic]

no it literally isnt wtf

[dreamy prism]

obviously it is

and ok I'm done you're not making sense rn

peace

[random relic]

you arent

[dreamy prism]

everyone else knows what I'm talking about

except for you

so whatever

peace

[random relic]

i know what youre trying to say its just not correct

[dreamy prism]

um it literally is

I never said zeus shield staggering is the only reason

[random relic]

no its not

[dreamy prism]

I'm only saying it's partially why

I just said I never said that

[strange lark]

Bruh

[dreamy prism]

so you don't need to say no it's not

wtf

[random relic]

zeus special without jolted is better than dio special

[random relic]

hence why you take zeus special

the possibility of jolted is just added damage

and doesnt influence decision making

[dreamy prism]

it's still a combination of factors

between both increased stats and not needing to be subservient to jolted for doing damage

I literally never said it was the only reason and you're acting like that's what I said

[random relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087924717486140/1022659571866685491/unknown.png

embed

oh there we go

forgive the shoddiness of the graph, i had to draw on trackpad this time

that graph hopefully explains it

[strange lark]

Source?

[dreamy prism]

I'm literally still right

it's a combination of higher base stats and jolted being less "get this boon or do nothing"

and obviously tick rate differences

[plain river]

plus on eris lightning strike opens lame boon like storm lightning but lighting flourish opens cool boon like double strike

[dreamy prism]

you know that's a good point

[plain river]

or am I speaking about the wrong subject

[dreamy prism]

zeus special has better pool afterwards

although I think someone said something about double strike being weird on zeus^2?

[plain river]

double strike may have a higher than usual chance to prok on zeus flourish in general iirc

[dreamy prism]

I'm just gonna install codex mod to test all this stuff out later tbh

[tender latch]

Bruh just do

²

Zeus²

[dreamy prism]

Zeus²

[tender latch]

Yeah

[dreamy prism]

zeus² <<<<<< lvl0 zshield

[plain river]

bug list says nothing about zeus² but it does say thunder flourish has a higher chance to double strike than it suggests

[dreamy prism]

for some reason I thought it might've been worse than usual

[tender latch]

Worst aspect in the game

Go

Zagfists

[plain river]

Double Strike (specifically and exclusively with Thunder Flourish, Thunder Flare, Heaven’s Vengeance, and Sea Storm)
Increases the probability of a second bolt by a much greater amount than is stated by the boon

[dreamy prism]

man I feel like zeus related stuff is so hard to test because it's all just massive snowballing you know

[plain river]

pos sword

[tight basin]

Talos

[dreamy prism]

for me it's a tossup between poseidon talos gilga and hades

[tender latch]

Isn't talos better than gilg/zfist

[plain river]

talos is nice

[tight basin]

15% dodge is pretty good imo

[dreamy prism]

speed sweats prefer zfist over talos

since talos nerfs special in that context

[tender latch]

Then why do I see talos higher👀

[dreamy prism]

hm is it faster

[tender latch]

Maybe not in modded but I swear unmodded is

[dreamy prism]

I can see that

just because talos removes a lot of bad hammers I believe

yeah talos removes flying cutter rush kick and kinetic launcher

hence better breaching odds

[random relic]

no its just that it doesnt need jolted to be better unlike eris

also modded talos is slower than zfists, unmodded is faster

and honestly the difference you see between them on lbs is just down to room and boon rng lol, its not like they are perfectly optimized

they are pretty much just equivalent

[tender latch]

That's wild

Doesn't zagfist do literally nothing but dodge chance

[dreamy prism]

epic HC moment

[random relic]

yeah but better special plus easier hc is kinda good ig

[tender latch]

Why is talos special bad

Doesn't it literally buff

[dreamy prism]

worse frame data

[random relic]

oh yeah i forgot about that

50% attack damage to a 10 base damage attack is kinda good

[dreamy prism]

it's why shadow presence is so meta on fists

[random relic]

exactly

anyways yeah talos special has bad frame data so its almost always strictly worse

aside from the 0.1s timesave youll get once every few runs from the tech

[twin cloak]

talos makes the special so sticky

[dreamy prism]

like you

[twin cloak]

🤨

[dreamy prism]

wait wrong server

[twin cloak]

mind elaborating

[random relic]

ok sus wtf

[dreamy prism]

no

r!rofxic

[strange lark]

Sussy baka

[tight basin]

The gimmick dash cancel thingy is pretty neat but that's about it lmao

[acoustic vale]

guan-yu

It's objectively not the worst, I just hate it so it's the worst for me

[plain river]

You are objectively and subjectively incorrect

[acoustic vale]

I mean I guess 3/4 bows are also in competition.

[random relic]

what bow do you like

please dont tell me its chiron

[rose nexus]

Unironic Chiron Enjoying

[tight basin]

chiron is fun if you're not speedrunning or doing high heat lmao

[spark kite]

Chiron was my bow of choice for the bounty runs. It's tons of fun!

[dreamy prism]

yeah chiron's really good for bounty streaking

super safe and defensive aspect that midrolls well with dio special

[spark kite]

I also generally like to go for coinpurse first and try to make whatever god I get first work. More variety that way.

Poseidon, Artemis, Dio, Demeter, all pretty good specials on Chiron.

Athena too.

[thorn tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1022757599944392734/unknown.png?width=1053&height=592 imagine having 1k+ damage per hit in tartarus

[sonic chasm]

Zagrail

[thorn tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1022759589495717908/unknown.png big number woah

[spark kite]

Unrelated question: Is Parting Shot compatible with the Beowulf shield?

I can't find anywhere that it isn't, but also Divine Flare doesn't show up in the prerequisite list. 🤔

[dreamy prism]

nope

it's not just that no flares are compatible, it's that the duo boon itself will never show up with beo equipped

[spark kite]

sadge

[acoustic vale]

It's Chiron sorry. That was a lie I'm not sorry at all for liking Chiron

[tender latch]

My brother in christ bow is the most fun weapon all around

[acoustic vale]

No

[tender latch]

Chiron is the least likable and even it can be super fun

Zag bow is awesome, chiron is alright, hera is neat, rama is based

Meanwhile shield has chaos doing nothing

[acoustic vale]

I've found I do not enjoy power shots nor the timing of dash strikes with them

[tender latch]

Half the spears suck

[acoustic vale]

True. Still enjoy their base gameplay more

[tender latch]

Sword bad even if I like it

[acoustic vale]

Tbh I don't like any of the spears

[tender latch]

Based

Play modded

You'll like guan yu and achilles more

[acoustic vale]

Favorite weapons include Arthur, beo, Chiron and Gilgamesh

[tender latch]

Hades and zspear wack but feather duster somehow has a crazy zspear time

All of those are valid except gilgamesh

[acoustic vale]

:(

It's not a GOOD weapon, but I enjoy it

[tender latch]

That weapon actively annihilates a core part of the game by making your dash ass

The only fun gilg build is sea storm

But you can replicate it but better with reflex sea storm

[acoustic vale]

Idk, I have fun and I think that's the important part of a video game

[spark kite]

I Ravenous Will Active when I've loaded all my bloodstones into my cast with Beowulf? Or if not, does it at least activate for said cast?

[acoustic vale]

It activates as soon as all casts are loaded iirc

[spark kite]

Okay, that's what I was hoping for. Thx ^^

[dreamy prism]

that's right

active as long as you see 0/whatever in ui

[random relic]

lol its not that good

i somehow cant beat it with achilles though

which is funny but also really annoying

[twin cloak]

Achilles impossible

[plain river]

Thoughts on thunder flourish on zag bow?

[strange lark]

the same thing as no special except it unlocks duos

[dreamy prism]

sucks compared to athena/ares special

[spark kite]

I somewhat recently learned that thunder bolts have an internal cooldown, and so with Thunder Flourish you only get like 2-3 bolts and not one for each arrow.

[plain river]

It’s like 1 per enemy hit on the special

for bow

all of them

[spark kite]

Is the internal cooldown per enemy?

As I said I just recently learned that to begin with, so I don't know for sure.

[plain river]

Yes

For bolts it’s once every .2 seconds and for chain lightning it’s every 0.15 seconds iirc

[spark kite]

Hmm.

Still seems rather bad unless you have piercing volley, as most rooms will not allow you to attack many enemies with your voley.

Shotgunning with a %-based special still seems better imo

[plain river]

shotguning with a % special is only really if you have charged or concentrated tbh

[strange lark]

just dont use your special on zag bow or hera

[spark kite]

^

[plain river]

I was going to use if for sea storm tbh

But then no flurry shot first hammer so I I reset

[tight basin]

Get smair lmao

[plain river]

It was gonna give me sea storm for super soaker tempest strike zag bow

[tight basin]

Bruh lmao

[thorn tendon]

support fire (artemis mini arrows) also has a similar cooldown

[plain river]

Yeah but idk the exact number for support fire so I didn’t mention it

[thorn tendon]

i don’t know if there’s anything else, weird stuff like doom stacking multiple times doesn’t have one

[plain river]

Wdym

Dire misfortune doesn’t stack doom multiple times it just increases the damage of the doom each time you hit with a doom source before it drops

And nothing else lets you stack doom either

Unless I just read what you said wrong but I don’t see how I could’ve

[thorn tendon]

yes i know, i’m saying there’s no cooldown on that

maybe poor phrasing on my part

[plain river]

It wouldn’t make sense for there to be a cooldown on it and also it just doesn’t so why even mention it

[thorn tendon]

like bow special will get increased damage for every hit

[plain river]

Just pulled out nemesis sword and instantly in tart arte attack, athena special, aphrodite dash lmfao blessed

[strange lark]

horrible build no titan toppler

[plain river]

I just had a 15 second fury fight

[boreal lodge]

Looking for some really simple builds that synergize well and look cool

[plain river]

Zagreus and hades spear, explosive launcher, charged skewer artemis or aphrodite special

[tight basin]

is beo considered simple

actually i'd consider zag shield super simple, get cshot, get aphro atk, win

[plain river]

actually i'd consider zag shield super simple, get cshot, get aphro atk, win

[tight basin]

true

all aspects just need cshot and aphro atk

[plain river]

Beo gets leniency with arte attack

[tight basin]

mirage bug moment

[plain river]

+loading cast gives you your additive for attack anyways

[tight basin]

oh yeah +100% damage

[strange lark]

@tender latch its 5:54 by croven

[plain river]

Unseeded unmodded zag bow is 5:16 no?

By croven

[strange lark]

no its 3:01

[tender latch]

I genuinely am salty at how castspects get so much scaling

Like Eris literally needs a global boost off the bat and clockets to keep up

[strange lark]

thats why talos is absolutely insane as a castspect

[tight basin]

Eris is technically a castpect

[plain river]

+50% cast damage and a pull is gaming

[tender latch]

Don't uuse talos for casts

[strange lark]

just play every weapon as a castspect

[tender latch]

Use talos for a trap only run

Just drag enemies into traps

[plain river]

Blizzard shot and hunting blades begs to differ

[tender latch]

Lovely, worse achilles

[plain river]

Still

[tender latch]

But at least talos has the funny pull gimmick

[plain river]

Ping pong

[manic cradle]

if you dodge an attack do revenge boons still activate

[plain river]

Think so… but not 100% sure

[tight basin]

revenge requires you to take damage so i doubt it'll work

[rose nexus]

Just get vengeful mood

👏

[tight basin]

true

[plain river]

Just take damage

[magic dagger]

My friend...
I'm afraid that took me two years

and at that point, does it really even count?

[magic dagger]

no

[cunning urchin]

Congratulations on getting several sub 15! But you're not quite there yet, m afraid. Hermes would be Jealous is sub 12.

[tender latch]

Gaming

[rose nexus]

That’s a heavy accusation

[magic dagger]

you're correct, of course - I misread

frankly, though, the question stands.

[cunning urchin]

Of course it counts.

[soft tide]

Whats the best way to build Hera bow? Saw a YT Vid from 2020 but not sure if anything changed via hotfixes since then
It was Dio cast Aphro special
with poseidon dash and I think zeus attack?

[tight basin]

for hera, the only things that matter is your cast, atk, and dash. dio cast is a high roll option because it takes forever to get back the cast so you need to use stygian soul and rely on finding more casts. poseidon dash is ideal for bows because it helps them get through styx easier
typically, it's more common to use aphrodite's cast along with any % based atk you see other than poseidon's atk

you could run privileged status and look for snow burst or demeter's atk

[soft tide]

anything important of note for mirror?

[tight basin]

infernal soul, dark foresight, fated persuasion

[neat mauve]

crush shot + arty/dem attack + athena or posideon dash if you really want to play hardball in styx = good start

[strange lark]

merciful end

[neat mauve]

pstat is great if you want to run dem, otherwise forget about it. it's not worth doing with any other god

[sudden dagger]

Hey I haven't played in a while; and I never got that good at hades. What are some recommended OP builds to aim for?

[turbid needle]

bow, the weapon for true chads

[tight basin]

Flood flare beo, Artemis atk, mirage shot, win

[tight basin]

true

charged flight

[cunning urchin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/edit

[sudden dagger]

The weapon I am best at is Chaos Shield

[strange lark]

Best shied

[thorn tendon]

Best shied

[quiet spade]

Best shiedl*

[tight basin]

Best shed

[twin cloak]

;2#5 shjed

[sudden dagger]

I agree with all of that; the only problem I run into sometimes is if I try to spec damage into the special, it doesn't do much damage

Chaos will always be #1 and def the first character I maxed out

Maybe I have to spec more damage into the attack?

[tight basin]

The giant paragraph is satire

[sudden dagger]

I am happy you did a strike through, I was worried at first

[tight basin]

Chaos aspect is pretty horrid lol

Shield is still good tho

[sudden dagger]

Hmm I don't think I've ever tried zeus's aspect

but I have used zeus's special with chaos aspect

[tight basin]

Zeus shield is pretty good

Zeus special on Zeus shield is gonna give you more dps than on chaos aspect

[sudden dagger]

The main problem I run into is that I'm not good enough at clearing heats to earn enough blood to buy stuff

[tight basin]

And you can still atk/block while that's going on

[tight basin]

Grind titan blood on a weapon you like and eventually you'll get more

[rose nexus]

Just farm gemstones and convert them to bloods

ez clap

[strange lark]

i also agree with all of that

[rose nexus]

Just a measley 1000 gemstone per blood

Bargain imo

Who was it that was posting the math for Chiron 4 volley relentless conc

With epic swift flourish for chain

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png

from @plain river

doesn't have the epic swift flourish chain thingy tho

i can probably calc it real quick tho

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1023742294031081512/unknown.png

[tight basin]

2 volleys

that's actually fat damage holy cow

[rose nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997466907030605934/1023740898409979974/IMG_3318.jpg

Ur tellin me

[strange lark]

still less than 1 beowulf cast

[rose nexus]

Chiron canceled

[tight basin]

3 volleys is 2250 base damage lmao

if all 3 are chained together for relentless volley

with epic swift flourish

[strange lark]

chiron needs all those boons and hammers for that

beowulf just needs a cast boon

[rose nexus]

Can chain 4 with epic

[tight basin]

oh crap i forgot

4 chain is 3864

[rose nexus]

Based

[tight basin]

yep

beo is literally broken

very good and bugged

[thorn tendon]

can we get concentrated volley beowulf calcs

[strange lark]

yes

[tight basin]

lmao each successive cast pop in a volley does +3 damage more than the last

considering it's beo tho instead of +3 it's x3

[soft tide]

Any recommendations for Atk/Special for Zeus Disc?

[strange lark]

zeus special aphro attack

get all the zeus boons

get the call

get smoldering air

[soft tide]

smoldering Air?

and Zeus Call?

[strange lark]

yeah zeus call

smoldering air is the duo boon for zeus and aphro

makes your call charge super fast

but caps at 25%

[rose nexus]

But auto charges in 5 sec which is ballin

[tight basin]

zeus is like the one god where you want literally all of his boons to be extremely strong lmao

obv already good enough with just jolted supporting it but if you get everything it's so nice

[plain river]

I have it

I made it recently

[tight basin]

oh didn't see that

but i'm fairly certain i got the numbers right anyways

[plain river]

Yeah because I haven’t sent an updated image

I calculated for 4 chained volleys with and without relentless

[tight basin]

ah i've only done relentless

still gonna be big damage tho

i still need to rng into the "god charon build"

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1023750866534137937/IMG_2248.png

[tight basin]

gaming

[rose nexus]

Imagine damage

[plain river]

Imagine dragon

[sudden dagger]

watching this for educational purposes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajEJVc5_qfg

[plain river]

🤨

[strange lark]

haelian cring

[sudden dagger]

do you have an alternative zeuse shield video

[strange lark]

https://youtu.be/fOJ_qJhcGEk

watch this totally unseeded run

[tight basin]

% on special gaming

[plain river]

Hmmmmmmmm

That looks unfun

True

[tight basin]

Shield super soaker

[plain river]

Automatically opens sea storm without any zeus cores

[twin cloak]

its bugged because it's beo so it's x3^# of casts popped

so if youre popping 5 casts it's x3^5

** per cast

[rose nexus]

Imagine the rta on that run

[strange lark]

rta would be atleast 10 mins

[rose nexus]

Gotta work on that “idle in post boss room for 20 hours” achievement

[steady vine]

What's a good build for gyuan yu's aspect

[plain river]

Charged skewer aphrodite or artemis flourish

[steady vine]

Ok thanks alot I need that for the quest

[plain river]

Avoid using the spin outside of between waves

[steady vine]

Ok

[plain river]

Or if you have quick spin it is kinda viableish

[steady vine]

Ok thanks for the tips 👍

[soft tide]

any1 got some ideas for Achilles spear? Only lv1 atm, trying to grind titan blood

just at Heat 1, prob HL1

[plain river]

use extreme measures 1

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/unknown.png?width=1440&height=606

[plain river]

artemis attack ares cast look for flurry jab and hunting blades

hope that helps also the spread sheet is a heat guide

[soft tide]

This for all weps?

[plain river]

yes

👍

there might be a little change based on aspect but otherwise, is general purpose

[soft tide]

Anything to note for mirror?

[plain river]

uh

use dark foresight

and god's pride

Give me a second bad wifi rn

use cthonic vitality, greater reflex, deep pockets, family favourite, dark foresight, god's pride and fated persuasion

hope that helps

?

em1 is free

legacy only if you want like 4 duos

that's called you have bad luck

[tight basin]

totally not me rn

[plain river]

hold on

I have a reference image for legacy being a scam somewhere

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1022844809855127572/IMG_2211.jpg

sorry for glare

surely I have more reference images

[soft tide]

Why Chthoinic over dark regen?

[plain river]

cthonic is consistent

[soft tide]

and why pride over legacy? arent duos and legendaries good?

and shadow? or fiery?

[plain river]

legacy is a scam

as I am showcasing now

with the above image

[plain river]

depends on the weapon

most of the time it's fiery because killing things in one hit is mega gaming

I do as well

[soft tide]

but with achilles

how often are you behind?

[plain river]

but for speed running most of the time it's fiery

[soft tide]

im not speed running

just clearing

[plain river]

well

killing things in one hit is still good

so like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1016139347646496898/IMG_2152.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1016409664990220329/IMG_2156.jpg\

[soft tide]

Artemis attk, ares cast. what other boons should I go for?

[plain river]

hunting blades

aside from that splash dash

and mirage shot

[soft tide]

mirage is poseidon arti right?

soi i think imma aim for Arti Ares Pos and Athena

Isnt that the stronger one based on the tier list?

[plain river]

because you take pos dash anyway

on achilles

and mirage shot on a castpect is nice

you take artemis and pos already so

if you see mirage shot take it

[plain river]

which tier list?

I mean achilles is good

[soft tide]

pinned in #h1-for-new-players

[plain river]

they weren't asking about your aspect choice

they were asking about the mirage shot choice

I think

nyaanyaa mewmew is based

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1016139364167843960/IMG_2151.jpg

just finding all my legacy is a scam images

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1015681291032735755/IMG_2140.jpg splitting bolt isn't pinned on this one but it's there

[soft tide]

Is there a better tier list out there tho?

[plain river]

nope

nyaa nyaa mewmew is based and correct

this is also true

it's cuz legacy is a scam

[cunning urchin]

Literally who are you?

[plain river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1014615765128855552/IMG_2128.jpg

[cunning urchin]

I've done 52 Heat without Divine Dash, how about that.

Let me think who else had done 52 Heat at the time...

Oh yeah.

No one.

[hexed lagoon]

🍿

[plain river]

lemme just get a time machine real quick

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/998051407452180490/IMG_1920.jpg?width=1069&height=677

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/997548996740534383/IMG_1912.jpg

you can't escape it

legacy is a scam

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/995629092147826708/IMG_1882.jpg?width=1104&height=677

nooooooooooooo

anyways

@turbid needle I think these and the rest of my victory images is evidence alone that legacy is a scam

[hexed lagoon]

1 in 7.5 trillion. Where you getting those numbers from

[tight basin]

legacy is always a scam but it's worth running if your goal is trying to get 4 duos lmao

imagine not getting 3

just get the boons

olympian favor because you can't use dark foresight

the opposite of boiling blood also kinda useless

not kinda

very

i guess that one is worse than olympian favor

[plain river]

Abyssal blood is gamer

[tight basin]

okay buddy

[plain river]

Well dad boiling blood does 2* what yours do sooo

gotta love -60% damage and move speed

[plain river]

+100% damage right?

I’m not asking you

[cunning urchin]

Abyssal Blood is underrated tbh.

[tight basin]

Maybe

But I wouldn't take it ever unless when I'm playing beo

[plain river]

Nah abyssal blood is gaming

Because it’s funny on victory screens

[tight basin]

That's useful on beo em4

Because you're supposed to only single dash on dad fight anyways

[plain river]

That’s called “I don’t like myself”

[cunning urchin]

You'll never push the meta if you only copy what others have done before you.

[plain river]

Gilgamesh users in shambles

[tight basin]

That too

[plain river]

True this is why nasty dash is about to become the new meta

[tight basin]

Doubt there's any more good builds left to find and get consistently

[plain river]

Flurry fire swift strike demeter attack arctic blast zag rail

new metap

[tight basin]

consistent:

[plain river]

What you don’t know how to rng manipulate it to get it consistently?

[tight basin]

routed moment

so the server doesn't get image bombed

[cunning urchin]

Never using something seriously to try to figure out how to make the most of it and test its potential isn't how you find out.

[plain river]

The reason you’ven’t found more duos is because you’re running legacy

[tight basin]

lmao

[plain river]

9th escape*

[magic dagger]

both are plausible
"run" is slightly more impressive
"escape" is slightly more amusing

[vapid crag]

is there another version people play or do they just mod it?

[tender latch]

Modding is used to deal with rng, but that's not what they meant. Gods' Legacy is a mirror talent that increases chances for duo/legendary boons

They're joking

[vapid crag]

OH my bad I completely forgot it was called like that haha

[tight basin]

modding the game so i always get a duo on the first option menu without rerolling gaming

[tender latch]

C1 ME 🧠

[tight basin]

true

make legacy give you a +50% chance

legacy is already a scam

someone's done it on like 7 or something iirc

might not be 7 but not double digits i dont think

there's just some absolute gamers out there lmao

git gud

[tender latch]

Tbh 7th run could mean you have shield

And shield is just free wins

Especially if you play super safe

I don't think touhou has a busted "lmao block everything in a direction indefinitely" button

[tight basin]

if you're knowledgeable enough about the game its very doable

cshot shield spam

by then you should have 1 dd and the extra dash

at least

[plain river]

?

why ask me?

I mean modded Hades is a thing but I was talking about the mirror upgrade

[tight basin]

Could ask others for advice and follow it

[vapid crag]

yeah I thought that by legacy you meant that there was another version of the game

[rose nexus]

Delta Chamber /s

[tight basin]

Aphro atk pos dash win

Ricochet shot or piercing fire is good

Clockets ofc

Atk and dstrike boons from chaos are good

I always take aphro but tbh the base 150 might already be enough for tart

That's like 100 still right

Maybe aphro start I guess

If the rarity is bad but good dash rarity give up and switch to tdash

Rip

[rose nexus]

Forced c2 demeter 🤢

[plain river]

Delta chamber literally isn’t bad on hesty

You can still reload manually

[wary adder]

i like to start with tdash in tart because your primary will one shot most things in tart without the attack buff anyway

[wary adder]

i actually quite like delta chamber on hesty too because of the dstrike bug

[plain river]

I wonder what literally isn’t bad means

Hmm

[wary adder]

let me make myself a little clearer

[plain river]

No

[wary adder]

wha

[tight basin]

What bug

I thought with delta you get full iframes during dstrikes

Which is a good bug

[twin cloak]

yeah that's the bug

lmao

[tight basin]

But you make it sound like a bad thing lmao

Oh I misread

I saw dislike

I need to clean my screen

[cunning urchin]

It's good in the one scenario of pushing high heat with DC2.

It's bad.

[plain river]

Hmm

[cunning urchin]

Not harmful bad, but pointless bad.

[plain river]

I’m probably wrong yeah

[cunning urchin]

You can play Hestia single-dash and have i-frames on every dash without breaking your DPS rotation.

[plain river]

Yeah ok

[cunning urchin]

You should try single-dash Hestia sometime if you haven't yet. It's good practice for i-framing efficiently.

[plain river]

I am wrong once again

[plain river]

Good idea

[soft tide]

How do I build Rama?

[cunning urchin]

This guide has some good Rama builds and tips. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#aspect-of-rama-bow

[lunar crown]

I just started, got the hammer, hoarding slash, world splitter or cruel thrust?

aspect of nemesis

[nova inlet]

all these things do different things

[lunar crown]

i took splitter

[nova inlet]

good choice

really high damage

but be careful

[lunar crown]

sure

[plain river]

Those are all pretty eh

[rose nexus]

World splitter gives me nightmares to this day

[soft kiln]

https://imgur.com/a/qVDer2Z

dude

Eris i have 30% greater haste and epic rd

i -think- it's splitting bolt here

[tight basin]

where in the run is this?

[soft kiln]

c44

[tight basin]

somewhere in styx then

[soft kiln]

aye

[tight basin]

was there a hermes in the shop

[soft kiln]

no

[tight basin]

splitting then

[soft kiln]

oh i have targetting system and rocket bomb

[tight basin]

i was gonna say if you want to high roll into swind smair would be good lol

[soft kiln]

why does the hermes matter? chance for second wind?

[tight basin]

yeah

[soft kiln]

ah got it lol

kk bolt it is

[tight basin]

but the safe choice regardless is always spllitting yeah

[soft tide]

I'm trying to finish up my fated lists And I've got a bunch that need Demeter cast.

What's a good wep that can utize Demeter cast?

[tight basin]

achilles, get artemis atk and get their duo

dem's cast sucks without it

glacial glare is another important boon for dem cast, you want to pom this one as much as possible

[thorn tendon]

mfw merciful end beowulf beats my best time

[soft tide]

Also how do I build Lucifer? Is it better than eris?

[lucid oar]

Build it the same as eris

It’s not better but it’s still a ton of fun

[gloomy canyon]

does splitting bolt work on sea storm?

[plain river]

Yes

It’ll prok off of any lightjing boon

Including jolted I believe

[lucid oar]

Not with that attitude

[plain river]

Luci runs clockets not eris building triple bomb smh

Is attack speed multiplicative or additive?

Cuz I know flurry fire brings your attack intervals to 60% what they were before

[plain river]

uh

Additively, swift strike + flurry fire = 50%-20% of original attack jntervals (based on swift strike rarity)

otherwise multiplicatively, swift strike + flurry strike= 54%-36% of original attack intervals based on rarity of swift strike

it’s likely multiplicative not additive

[timber hedge]

any good new player builds?

like very new

[plain river]

What weapon/aspect are you using?

If you haven’t unlocked aspects yet ignore that part of the question

[timber hedge]

dont have any aspects yet

[timber hedge]

im using the shield atm

[plain river]

aphrodite strike zeus call, look for their duo smouldering air, hope for the charged shot hammer

[timber hedge]

what r the boons called exactly?

• which keepsakes i should use

[plain river]

Heartbreak strike, zeus aid

smouldering air

[timber hedge]

ty

[plain river]

Start with aphrodite’s keepsake and then switch to zeus

[timber hedge]

when should i switch?

[plain river]

Asphodel

wait nevermind

You might not be able to do that yet

[timber hedge]

i got to asphodel

[plain river]

it’s a work order to switch keepsakes between biomes

Do you have it?

[timber hedge]

nope i dont think i do

[plain river]

rip

Try to buy that soon

Rely on rng otherwise then

[timber hedge]

where do i buy it XD

[plain river]

At the work order dude

[timber hedge]

who? XD

[plain river]

is a work order where else would you get it

The construction worker shade

who sits next to dad

in the house of hades

[timber hedge]

hm whats the thing called

[plain river]

in the hit video game Hades

[timber hedge]

lmao

never heard of it

[plain river]

I don’t remember the name but it will literally tell you buying it will let you switch keepsakes between biomes or something

[timber hedge]

aight ima look around

[plain river]

It’s called keepsake collection regional

Work order guy = House Contractor

the npc’s actual name is House Contractor if that helps

[timber hedge]

then ik

[plain river]

The specific upgrade is the Keepsake Collection, Regional

[timber hedge]

hm i dont see it

[plain river]

Do you see Fountain Chamber, Tartarus?

[timber hedge]

nope

[plain river]

You need that first I’m literally reading off the wiki rn

[timber hedge]

lmao

this game is so confushing

oml

[plain river]

I stumbled into everything blind lmao

[timber hedge]

lmao

[plain river]

I didn’t join the discord until about 150 escape attempts probably

[timber hedge]

Try Sword or Fists (if you have fists) and try for a run where you get Area, Demeter and Artemis. Get Demeter’s cast and I think just any main Artemis boon and try for their duo boon, then use Ares for most everything else. That’s my opinion at least

hows this build

[plain river]

That isn’t a build

That’s just random stuff added together

[timber hedge]

lmao ok

[plain river]

Where tf did you find that “build”

Gaming journals and reddit are horrible sources for information

Don’t go to them

[timber hedge]

#h1-for-new-players

XD

[plain river]

They uh

I think that’s a new player in their natural environment

[timber hedge]

💀

[turbid needle]

[timber hedge]

cont kill the stoopid hydra

[soft kiln]

nemesis run with sea storm, splitting bolt, and zeus' aid

do i take epic double strike or smair?

i know double strike is bugged to basically always work with sea storm

[plain river]

what’s giving sea storm?

splash dash?

[soft kiln]

yeah

[plain river]

would probably take smair tbh

Having call every 5 seconds > double strike imo

[soft kiln]

ok

[plain river]

I mean you don’t have to take my advice though

For all I know nyaanyaa mewmew will reply to this telling me I’m wrong for the umpteenth time this week

[cunning urchin]

Smair.

[cunning urchin]

You are correct.

[cunning urchin]

This isn't quite right since Smair doesn't build god gauge during the Call. So if you only build god gauge with Smair, it's more like every 6 seconds if you have Zeus' Aid. If you're also dealing or taking damage after the Call, it can be less than 5 seconds between Calls.

[soft kiln]

I like how @plain river wasn't wrong about the thing they thought they were but got corrected anyway 😛

I did end up taking smair although I'm not 100% on why it was better. Was it just a focus on defense because at that point I was strong enough already?

[magic dagger]

zeus's aid really often is better than Greater zeus's aid

it's not defense
it's "free" extra dps

[plain river]

getting call every 6.5 seconds > double strike

[magic dagger]

how does dio smair do

[plain river]

I think they know the small call> big call part.
The question was more, why smair > double strike

[magic dagger]

I should read harder

[plain river]

Good enough if you have low tolerance as well which… you already have aphrodite if you have smair

dio is one of the best calls and because the hangover will probably run out around the same time you recharge your call you basically have 100% uptime on your hangover

[cunning urchin]

Low Tolerance often doesn't actually do anything for Dionysus' Aid.

[plain river]

oh true

but dio aid good 👍

[cunning urchin]

Just wanted to throw in a correction.

[plain river]

dio aid doesn’t hit enough during it’s period right?

My brain wasn’t working

Small call dio doesn’t hit 8 times

That’s why it doesn’t do much right?

Dio smair good anyways, dio aid with frequent uptime good

🙏 please be right, me

[cunning urchin]

I think the most procs you can get is 7, but you usually only get 5 or 6 on a single-target even when it's a boss fight.

[plain river]

True

Dio aid does good work with smair

don’t need low tolerance forget me saying that 📉

[cunning urchin]

I would say it's the best Call for Smair in general, but Zeus' Aid has greater potential. But you'd also be giving up other opportunities to bring Zeus' Aid there, which balances it out somewhat.

While Dionysus' Aid only wants poms.

And it's the only Call that builds god gauge for itself.

Because Hangover procs after your Call ends build god gauge.

[plain river]

true

Probably makes it charge faster than 5 seconds?

[cunning urchin]

I mean.

5 seconds is base if you do no damage or take no damage.

So yeah, if you do damage alongside Smair, it's faster than 5 seconds.

https://tenor.com/view/duh-sarcastic-whatever-gif-14260369

https://tenor.com/view/hades-game-hades-dusa-cute-adorable-gif-19139329

[plain river]

I think I’ve had dio with smair charge before the hangover effect ended on enemies before

Probably because CoN and hitting multiple enemies with it

[cunning urchin]

You were also probably dealing other damage.

[plain river]

True but I think dio aid with CoN hitting a bunch of enemies was probabky the major contributing factor

aside from smair

Nyaanyaa if I have flurry fire and swift strike is it additive or multiplicative

It’s a difference of maxxing out at ~2.7 times faster attack speed or 5 times faster

[dim smelt]

Can someone tell me how to use shield and gun?

Hate them both but hear they're really good

[hexed lagoon]

It's all abt what you prefer

[tender latch]

Your shield hate issues will be solved by cshot

Gun just use clockets ez

[dim smelt]

What's cshot

[tender latch]

Charged shot, hammer that turns your bull rush into a cannon

Charges faster, doesn't lock you into moving in a direction, etc

[hexed lagoon]

Base 80 damage

[dim smelt]

aaah right

ty

[tender latch]

It also goes through shields and has an enormous hitbox with beowulf's dragon rush

[plain river]

How have you been building rail so far?

and how have you been playing it?

[dim smelt]

I hate THE GUN SO MUCH

[dim smelt]

literally like 5 times

just lost my streak to rail

[rose nexus]

If streak is really important to you, you can give up on weak runs

[tender latch]

^

This is how I have a 200+ streak with a sub7 and a couple sub 9s

[rose nexus]

For the longest time I thought giving up any time after you’ve taken damage in a run would break streak

[tender latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699090167788470284/1023654877601218640/unknown.png

See

[misty trench]

why's your menu UI look like that? @tender latch

[tender latch]

Theme

[misty trench]

ive never seen it like that before and it looks sick as hell

oh 👀

[tender latch]

It is sick as hell

Super expensive though

Chaos/infinite theme, costs hella darkness

[misty trench]

oh i dont doubt it 😭 especially since i havent unlocked it and things ive been unlocking are getting pricey

[cunning urchin]

Never tested it and haven't seen any tests on it.

[rose nexus]

After you unlock all the diamond upgrades in first tab is when the themes unlock. Last upgrades are the ones that affect Darkness/Nectar/Gemstone/Key chamber rewards, and add Erebus Gates

[plain river]

Didn’t ask how many times you’ve played it

Asked how you’ve been playing it

[dim smelt]

oh sorry

I've been using the 2nd aspect

the one which absorbs and lets you deal more damage

[plain river]

“Super expensive” resource director grinding moment

[magic dagger]

still not what he asked...

[plain river]

When you are using the rail in combat… what are you doing?

And how are you building it boon/hammer wise?

[dim smelt]

shooting and stuff

[dim smelt]

I haven't played it enough to really figure this out

[plain river]

How have you been building it

[dim smelt]

I havent

[magic dagger]

mm.

[plain river]

aight

[magic dagger]

that'll do it

[dim smelt]

sorry if my answers are crap and frustrating but i have no idea how to use it LMAO

still very new to the lategame

[magic dagger]

no, this is what he needed to know

[plain river]

Late game so like 50 heat?

[dim smelt]

🥹

[magic dagger]

[dim smelt]

to be entirely honest

the run i lost

was 0 heat

I can do like 25 heat with zagreus sword

[magic dagger]

rail moment

[plain river]

Take splash dash, use lightning strike or dio strike or ME and use arte or aphrodite special

[magic dagger]

turn on aim assist when you're using rail btw

[plain river]

If you see rocket bomb or cluster bomb take them

[dim smelt]

ALRIGHT

I used the one which makes you take damage from your own special

which

was very unwise

considering the entire point of my aspect

[magic dagger]

I recommend* not doing me rail

[plain river]

Hazard bomb is fine

[dim smelt]

is standing in the special

[plain river]

ME rail works

[magic dagger]

hazard bomb is fine, just don't eris in it

[dim smelt]

i erised in it

[lucid oar]

Hazard bomb is goated

[magic dagger]

for someone who dislikes rail, I sincerely doubt it would be good

[plain river]

It is good

[magic dagger]

poseidon disliker

[plain river]

especially something like spreadfire zag rail which is the best melee aspect in the game

[dim smelt]

THE best weapon

hands down

fight me

BECAUSE ZAGSWORD IS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC

SHREDS THROUGH ENEMIES

[lucid oar]

Poseidon sword sucks

[plain river]

If you have spreadfire zag rail you can build practically whatever you want on attack and be fine

[magic dagger]

just turn off aim assist and attempt to use attacks

[lucid oar]

WITH THAT 15% MOVE SPEED, NO NUMBSKULLS SURVIVE

[dim smelt]

LMSAFHUWERHGIYRWYIHUTFUHYSW

[magic dagger]

true though tbh

[dim smelt]

no seriously the damage on it is crazy

[lucid oar]

Gilgamesh doesn’t even kill numbskulls with its dash strike

[dim smelt]

probably because without building it it does the most raw damage

[rose nexus]

Literally unplayable

[lucid oar]

It’s a worse version of nemesis unless you get epic rd, hyper sprint and like 4 ichors

[dim smelt]

whats rd#

[lucid oar]

Rush delivery

Bonus move speed -> bonus damage

[dim smelt]

see

i dont have a clue

about anything in this game

[rose nexus]

Clues are available by request

[magic dagger]

you seem confused

[dim smelt]

tell me about it

[lucid oar]

Neither

[dim smelt]

i feel confused

[magic dagger]

it takes rd and some haste to have more damage

the point of zag sword is the buttery smooth default movement speed

funny animations > dps

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Strike first, Tidal Dash second.

Tidal Dash start is only really on Hestia.

[lucid oar]

Tidal dash start is still pretty good on eris, more so with guaranteed rocket tho

And modded is what most people speedrun on anyway

[cunning urchin]

It's definitely not bad.

[lucid oar]

I got a sub 7 pretty quickly using it

[cunning urchin]

Tbf Lightning Strike + Tidal Dash works on most things in any order.

[lucid oar]

Kirrby got a bunch of sub 6s too

Yeah

[plain river]

Beowulf 🧠

Obviously tdash first for more tdash poms

When does tidal flare beo fall off?

Once you have to run ap2?

[lucid oar]

AP2 definitely

AP1 maybe

I wouldn’t run flood flare with any ri

[plain river]

Why are Ares dash and call prerequistes for curse of drowning

[cunning urchin]

Why is Ares' Aid?

[lucid oar]

i like ares aid on malphon

[plain river]

Level 4 epic flood flare in tart

Omg lmfao I just lost a dd to furies what am I doing

Level 7 flood flare leaving tart

[turbid needle]

doing a merciful end build on eris should I have Athena on special or attack

[plain river]

on special

[turbid needle]

bet

[plain river]

A) because % damage is better on the higher base damage special than on low base damage attack
B) ME picks up athena dash as well so they can just dash into enemies and drop the doom instead of specialing

That’s generally be the same for ME on every weapon

You still need the athena attack or special to get merciful end but most of the time you should be using divine dash to proc doom

[turbid needle]

bet so L50 divine dash and turbo ME kekw

[plain river]

Pomming divine dash is not advised

pom your doom strike and impending doom

[turbid needle]

divine dash is that one boon where the rarity is completely irrelevant

[plain river]

and so is pom

[turbid needle]

ye

[plain river]

it’s just like artemis attack and special

Is a waste

[turbid needle]

yea exactly i do have impending doom plan on finding doom strike next

[plain river]

It’s not impossible to do that

It’s just not good

at level 50 heroic it does less damage than epic tdash at level 10

I am good at spelling

Route a run like that again but use nasty dash

Hangover dash

very much

At heroic level 50 it would do like 56 damage a tick per stack

8 times over 4 seconds

Show those 10 40 heat runs

Rn

Copypasta moment

Reminds me I need to get 10 40 heat runs under my belt

asap

rewrite vaporeon copypasta for aspect of chaos

which god(dess)?

[plain river]

💪

[lunar crown]

rolling knuckle or long knuckle?

zag fists

[tight basin]

Long

[plain river]

Long

[soft kiln]

does flurry shot making lightning strike viable?

i feel like it might be similar to delta chamber?

@plain river @tight basin anyone halp

[plain river]

I don’t think so

[soft kiln]

that's disappointing

oh well i'll just stick with arty then

[plain river]

Which bow?

[kind crescent]

Had an EM4 run fail last night at the very end because I gambled on the Anvil and lost hard. Was running Rama bow crit build, lost Point Blank and gained Explosive Shot & Sniper Shot.

The charge time was so slow it was unusable, and little summons would jump in the way and with Explosive Shot you lose piercing, so even if I could sit still long enough to charge at least half of them failed anyway. Lesson learned on Anvils. 🤣

[plain river]

You can rnp manipulate anvil for whichever result you want

The lesson is you didn’t know how to anvil manipulate not that anvil is a gamble

[kind crescent]

Oh? You're not wrong; I was not aware anvil manipulation was a thing.

[plain river]

So you go buy anvil: don’t like the results? quit the run immeditately
Go back into it, cast, buy anvil

Rinse repeat with one more cast each time until you get the results you want

[kind crescent]

Huh. Today I learned. Thank you!

[soft kiln]

zagbow

[plain river]

On shield you can attack and special and it’ll do the same job but I don’t think that works on any other weapon after testing

[plain river]

Yeah stick with arte

[kind crescent]

Cast for any weapon, though?

[plain river]

Cast for any weapon

[lunar crown]

rush kick long knuckle or quake cutter?

zag fists

i already have rolling knuckle

[plain river]

Long knuckle

[kind crescent]

Long Knuckle is nice

[soft kiln]

do you mean hit the cast button? i don't think you can actually cast outside of combat

[kind crescent]

It still does the action

[plain river]

You csn

You can cast out of combat

[kind crescent]

So wait... does that quit-manip work for Styx boons as well?

[plain river]

nooe

I think it only works for anvil iirc

[kind crescent]

Dang, oh well 😄

[soft kiln]

ok how about flurry shot purple swift strike

does that make it viable

[plain river]

Perhaps

Still wouldn’t take it over artemis

[timber hedge]

Using gloves with zeus lightining ability thats casted when i auto

Saw it on yt

Any thoughts?

[soft kiln]

are you talking about static discharge?

jolt

[timber hedge]

Wait lemme see

[plain river]

Do you mean zeus strike

[timber hedge]

Lightning strike

[soft kiln]

oh zeus attack is great on fists yeah

[plain river]

Same thing

zeus attack is good on fists

[timber hedge]

Seems to be working well

Pretty fun ngl

Need to get used to it

[soft kiln]

general rule of thumb: lots of attacks you want flat damage

fewer beefier attacks you want % damage

so fists = lightnign strike, dio attack, ares attack
sword = arty attack, demeter attack, aphrodite attack etc.

[timber hedge]

Ah makes sense

[soft kiln]

it's because fist attacks deal very little damage

[kind crescent]

I'd vote Athena attack on fists too. +damage and deflect

[soft kiln]

so +100% to 10 is a lot smaller than +100% of 30

[plain river]

nah