#h1-builds-and-combat

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proper furnace
plain river
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True

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I thought it was about charged shot for some reason

random relic
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i think hr is better

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with flurry

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or twin/triple

soft kiln
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Is this about cshot?

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I guess the tough part with cshot for me on nonbeo is that I often don't know I have it until I already have cores

proper furnace
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Wait how?

soft kiln
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What

proper furnace
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I dont understand what you mea

soft kiln
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Like I already took doom or something just to fill attack and meet a requirement before I get cshot so it's tough to switch gears then

plain river
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Why are you taking something to just fill attack on non-beo shield

proper furnace
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My default go to is always aphri

lucid oar
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Actually Zeus and ares attack are better than the non arty % ones

plain river
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elaborate

proper furnace
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Cuz im either resetting for cshot or if zeus shield i will prob aim for the call anyways

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So ez smair

lucid oar
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Aspect of charged shot is awful in anyheat without rush delivery

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Flat damage sources love rush delivery

proper furnace
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Flat dmg soup goes brrr

soft kiln
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My statement wasn't about resetting for charged shot it was about finding it in the wild

proper furnace
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I mean if im playing zag shield thats a given for me, or atleast pulv blow

plain river
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Pulv blow zag shield zagluv

proper furnace
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Same goes for chaos (and 2nd case of zeus shield) also applies if i actually decide to not ignore its thing lol

soft kiln
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I didn't really ask the question to find out how best to take advantage of the speedrun mod giving me whatever hammer I want

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But ok I'll try to not fill attack until I see my first hammer or something

proper furnace
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What is modded ron

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I keep forgetting to re install the modpack

soft kiln
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ok, didn't really ask the question to find out how best to take advantage of the speedrun mod giving me whatever hammer i want OR resetting until i get it. like obviously it's a lot easier to switch gears for cshot when you never have to switch gears and just started with it anyway.

i started the conversation more or less trying to figure out if cshot is good enough that if i find it in the middle of a run should i put effort into making it better to the possible detriment to whatever else i was doing

soft kiln
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so how do we feel about taking epic zeus attack on gy after picking up quick spin?

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would aphro attack still be better?

tight basin
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zeus atk probably works fine, considering i've heard sea storm is allegedly a boss shredder with pos atk

soft kiln
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that is fascinating

tight basin
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i honestly do not know tbh, i just stick to aphro special spam

soft kiln
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it just always seems to hit kinda hard i donno

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i have arty special and ares cast right now

tight basin
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hm

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i might rather go for aphro atk for heart rend possibly

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zeus atk also seems good tho

soft kiln
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i'm currently staring at a zeus boon so i can still take aphro dash in aspho if i want to maybe pick up smair but i could also take zeus dash now and aphro attack later and just hope i find jolt at some point

tight basin
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i'd take zeus atk personally, just off the basis that it can function as budget sea storm

random relic
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idk how good it actually is on gy but it feels right

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(also you should really try to get jolted)

tight basin
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zeus atk on guan yu sounds like sea storm except it actually works on normal enemies

random relic
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lmao

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i think its a good attack just because jolted exists

soft kiln
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i'll give it a shot sorry i had to step away

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stupid charon got me right after i took the zeus boon

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i just couldn't do enough damage

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i have epic deadly flourish on demeter fists being offered heroic heartbreak

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is deadly still better?

random relic
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no

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i mean it depends on how much outside scaling you have but 9 times out of 10 aphro is better there

tight basin
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arty special vs aphro special?

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heroic aphro goes hard ngl

soft kiln
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starts at 197

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that's a lot

random relic
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yeah lmao

tight basin
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get a chaos on top of that lmao

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and explosive upper

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just get the boons

soft kiln
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lol i had 6 rerolls so i spent 3 to reroll hermes twice

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9 bad commons

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nice hermes. thanks a bunch

soft kiln
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oh man i have epic aphro special with rocket bomb and hyper sprint. hermes is offering purple swift flourish, but i have eurydice and a thread buff

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do i reroll for rush or take swift and don't be greedy

tight basin
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Does that just make the rocket travel faster or does that affect the reload

soft kiln
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i think it effects reload

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it feels faster anyway

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damn delta chamber no clockets šŸ˜¦

tight basin
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I'd reroll for Rd tbh because it's just too good even if it's common

soft kiln
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it would have been epic but oh well

soft kiln
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started a nemesis run with epic tidal dash and natural'd zeus

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i could take zeus attack or zeus cast

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is there any consideration for attack? i know it doesn't really do anything with the attack, but i was thinking for jolt purposes

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i think i'll try it

solid sable
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any new metas

proper furnace
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Flat dmg soup builds

lavish trail
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was INCHES away from 32 heat nemesis sword. Terrible hammers and not a single natural Artemis boon wrecked me completely though. No shot at deadly reversal, no shot at buffing crit damage. Damage scaling was awful. still got dad down to quarter of his last health bar. feels very bad

plain river
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Just use zag sword

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Itā€™s far superior

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On nem heartrend is more damage increase than deadly reversal but if you get both thatā€™s rad

lavish trail
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Literally can't tell if you're joking about zag sword or not

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I don't even remember what zag sword does

lone jetty
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Has a pointy end

plain river
lavish trail
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I thought that was fists

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No fists are dodge chance aren't they

plain river
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Yup

lavish trail
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So on nemesis, heart rend build would be art attack aph special?

plain river
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Yes

lavish trail
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I realize now that it was feeding me basically entirely Athena and ares and I 100% could've purged Artemis attack, forced Ares in Elysium and gone for a merciful end build

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But I was so fixated on deadly reversal because that was my plan going in and I was distracted by the total lack of Artemis

plain river
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No arte boons showed up after forcing them? Sad

lavish trail
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I literally had heroic ddash and impending doom for revenge doom lol

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Yeah

plain river
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Hehehe

lavish trail
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I forced Artemis in Tartarus and then didn't get even 1 natural art the entire rest of the run

plain river
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It do be like that sometimes

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But you shouldā€™ve been fine so long as you got arte attack because athena could get you the duo

lavish trail
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Yeah but she didn't lol

plain river
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did you pick up athena flourish?

lavish trail
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Yep. Epic flourish too

plain river
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thatā€™s just bad luck

lavish trail
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Rerolled her boons 3 separate times

plain river
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Were you running the right mirror upgrade?

lavish trail
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Yep

plain river
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Lmao rip

lavish trail
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Happens sometimes

strange lark
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did you have a full god pool

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if you dont have a full god pool it will make getting certain boons a lot harder

iron rover
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Are there any builds that the to pom and build around a special

plain river
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Uh

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Dionysus builds

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Hangover is pommed heavily and then you also pickup low tolerance and then curse of nausea and maybe even splitting headache

iron rover
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Is it good compared to other strong builds like ME and all Zeus stuff

plain river
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Its safe

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Itā€™s extremely strong if you hit the duos and have a lot of poms on the hangover boons plus additive damage sources

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Well

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In comparison to like beowulf it isnā€™t extremely strong

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So I might have exaggerated

soft kiln
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if i don't feel like hangover or ME build for zeus the other reasonable one is just zeus right? not really a 4th?

plain river
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for zeus shield?

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zeus on zeus shield good

tight basin
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Zeus on Zeus is one of the better options right

plain river
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yes

dreamy prism
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you want jolted though

tight basin
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Angel used that on her 63 run so it's probably good lmao

dreamy prism
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without jolted it's eh

soft kiln
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oh i know zeus on zeus is good

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i just mean there isn't a 4th build that's good?

tight basin
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On the other hand no special boon Zeus shield is funny

plain river
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shackle zeus shield

proper furnace
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You can probably meme something with a % special

dreamy prism
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yeah best zeus build is aphro cshot

proper furnace
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Ik Haelian did artic blast for example

plain river
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best zeus build is shackle zeus

soft kiln
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i've tried to meme arctic blast like 4 times

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i'm convinced it's harder to get than a legendary

strange lark
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any % boon on zeus special is pretty bad

dreamy prism
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blast not being pommable is a legitimate travesty

plain river
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if only zeus shield got charged throw shadegrief

proper furnace
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Charged flight dusa

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When zeus shield with dread flight

plain river
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zeus shield with vicious skewer shadesmile

soft kiln
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i was trying to do this last night and couldn't figure it out because my rd was common anyway

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but does common hypersprint buff stay long enough for a full charged skewer?

plain river
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idk

soft kiln
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or can i dash right after throwing it to get the damage?

plain river
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probably

soft kiln
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cancel into a dash strike

soft kiln
# plain river idk

i love this reply. you ever see those amazon reviews where someone poses a question and the response is like "i don't know i haven't bought this yet"

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like why did you respond

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you're good though i like the conversation, it just reminded me of funny stuff

plain river
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I have used charged skewer

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but I often used it with zag spear and exploding launcher so I don't know if that changes things

soft kiln
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don't take the entire thing literally. sometimes the amazon review doesn't mention whether or nto they bought it too :p

proper furnace
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Yeah cancel into dash seems the best option

soft kiln
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is 105% special damage worth it on zeus?

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i could just take 70% cast

strange lark
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take the special damage

soft kiln
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k

plain river
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From chaos? Yes

lavish trail
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what's the best sword aspect for merciful end?

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zag?

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man, I literally just NEVER dodge the bull's rush attack at FO2

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if I don't have 3 dashes I'm absolutely toast every time

strange lark
plain river
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Nem is probably better for you dash strike damage before you get ME

proper furnace
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@plain river just do budget eris for 32 lol

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I did that

lavish trail
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Merciful end beowulf when bouldy

plain river
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Does budget eris involve shackle and spreadfire

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If it does then sure

strange lark
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budget eris is eris but zag rail

proper furnace
plain river
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clockets gaming

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Yeah Iā€™ll just find clockets

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Easy

proper furnace
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Why so obsessed with shackle

plain river
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itā€™s gaming

strange lark
plain river
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Iā€™ve started using boons donā€™t worry about it

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Zappy zag sword is fun

tight basin
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Do I just play 32 chaos like bad zag shield

proper furnace
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Yeah

tight basin
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And slap like doom or Zeus on the special if I feel like it

proper furnace
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Can tidal dash it too

tight basin
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Oh fun

proper furnace
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Or smair ig bouldy

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Anything to not play that aspect

strange lark
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play ME

tight basin
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I did smair zag shield so hopefully I get smair chaos lol

tight basin
strange lark
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why

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because of the name or ME

twin cloak
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ME free

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just get the boon

tight basin
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It was ME before but now it's both

proper furnace
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I just noticed your name bouldy

proper furnace
tight basin
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Lmfao

strange lark
tight basin
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Amb is using an actual cheat engine

plain river
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No you stole my special brackets shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief shadegrief

proper furnace
strange lark
proper furnace
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I took it so many times during chiron runs

strange lark
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lmao

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nice

lavish trail
strange lark
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its literally free damage i dont see whats wrong with it

plain river
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shackle > distant memory >>>>> everything elsep

proper furnace
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Distant memory is a mirage shot

strange lark
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what about cosmic egg šŸ˜§

proper furnace
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They are both 30%

strange lark
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so true

twin cloak
plain river
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Chain shot good or chain shot bad

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On zag

strange lark
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chain shot best shield hammer ngl

tight basin
iron barn
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i mean yeah but that doesnt really affect gameplay

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or i guess it does make it slightly harder to power shot but you should learn the timing anyway

plain river
iron barn
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there should be a combo meter in hades

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i'm sure this would be a very balanced feature with no problems whatsoever

plain river
tight basin
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Hitless runs lmao

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Hitless with js3 would be a big number

proper furnace
fallow oriole
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Could someone reccomend a spear build for my first run through? Obv cant use guan yu since I havent beat it yet.

tender latch
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First run? Like, you haven't beaten the final boss yet?

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You can get guan yu without beating the game

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But guan yu + Achilles are considered the best spears

hexed lagoon
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Yep I agree

rugged gulch
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anyone know any good coronacht builds?

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wanna get 1 good run in on it.

plain river
plain river
dense basin
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Doesn't sound very encouraging for spear weapon šŸ˜¦

plain river
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Wdym

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Charged skewer exploding launcher goes hard

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achilles you hope to pick up flurry jab and go either arte attack aphro flourish focus on dash striking and donā€™t pick up serrated point after taking flurry jab, or ares cast and pick up hunting blades

dense basin
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Achilles hunting blades is pogging hard

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So strong

rugged gulch
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that is the aspect.

plain river
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That is the weapon

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Weapon != aspect

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So aspectless gaming I guess

rugged gulch
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oh uh.

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the hidden one.

hexed lagoon
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lol ur confusing them

plain river
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Oh you mean rama

rugged gulch
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uhh.

plain river
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Heavier attack

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3 arrow special

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Aspect of rama

rugged gulch
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ye, rama.

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I had them confused.

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wondering wot to run for a quick easy run on that.

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dun really like it. =S

plain river
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You still try to grab twin shot or triple shot like normal bow

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Explosive shot makes your attack unbelievably slow so I wouldnā€™t buy it, kind of a scam

rugged gulch
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hmm.

plain river
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You take aphrodite attack (or maybe artemis attack aphrodite special)

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I canā€™t remember what special you go for when you take aphrodite attack

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Make sure youā€™re dash striking and using your special to apply shared suffering

clever phoenix
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thought it was the meta choice for rama

rugged gulch
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Idk what the choice is.

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I just want to clear the achievement quests.

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and coronacht - rama is one of 'em.

plain river
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I think rama might be like chiron where itā€™s too fast to prok a few bolts šŸ¤”

rugged gulch
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wdym 2fast?

plain river
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chiron special hits multiple arrows before the zeus lightning bolt internal cooldown is up

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so instead of a bolt for every arrow, you only get 1 maybe 2 per special

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But honestly zeus special probably works well on rama

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Opens smair

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Spreads jolted

proper furnace
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T2s goes brr

cunning urchin
proper furnace
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And is not all your dmg based around it like chiron bouldy

rugged gulch
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Idk.

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I'm very badly trying to wonder what works well with demeter.

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dionysus.

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and well.

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I can't figure out any fun builds that're viable with 'em.

iron barn
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you can play dionysus with rail atk, fists atk, or zeus aspect special

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then just go for low tolerance or curse of nausea + poms

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for demeter you can always just go meme beams

plain river
solar dawn
plain river
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Epic rarity demeter attack or special can be thrown on most things that take aphrodite attack and special tbh

iron barn
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just hit 2097 damage on hestia attack

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i am the summon now

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2367 šŸ˜

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ok 2600 something has to be my highest number ever

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it went up to 2896 bruh

tender latch
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What's a good build for rama? I figure slapping aphro attack on and hoping for triple shot is the most important part but like

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Do you just use athena/art for dash?

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Does special matter at all

strange lark
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A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

proven osprey
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I lost the count on how many times I've read "a beefy % attack" here

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We're in a loop, there's no escape

strange lark
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i havent even read it yet i just assume its good

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could be a copypasta about raME i wouldnt know

tender latch
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wait what

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even rama runs ME?

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šŸ˜©

strange lark
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it doesnt

tender latch
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Hades was right

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There is no escape

strange lark
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raME is a meme

tender latch
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Oh thank god

random relic
proven osprey
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No

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RaME works

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My 50 heat Rama clear with EM4 is RaME

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tried and true, deal with it

strange lark
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you right

proven osprey
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On a serious not though, RaME is really ok. Doom on special is always good and an epic athena can go a long way. Also the way you proc ME (with the attack) really suits Rama classic gameplay so you get a nice burst of damage without having to get out of your way. It's more like a cherry on the cake since the doom proc will likely just compensate the fact that your attack is not aphro or arty

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but still, if you have the option is definitely something fun to try

iron barn
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does the doom not proc before you charge up an attack?

tight basin
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If you get impending it might not lol

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Also you don't always full charge the shot

iron barn
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what about perfect shot šŸ˜­

tender latch
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What's generally preferred first on Eris? Zeus attack or art special

tight basin
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Zeus

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The special does enough damage for tart that you don't need anything else on top of it

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Zeus gives you aoe and good flat damage to clear rooms faster

tender latch
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Gotcha, ty

lusty valve
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What boons should I generally avoid on Hestia?

strange lark
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Poseidon attack Zeus attack Dio attack ares attack

random relic
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nah pos attack is good for billiards

dreamy prism
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you shoot an athena hazard bomb and try to doom everything with main attack before it lands to proc ME

random relic
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i think that was from the same document lmao

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the hestia guide

dreamy prism
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yep must've been it

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MEstia built different

vocal stone
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Hello All. Does anyone know of a good resource for builds? Only have one clear under my belt and I used Hunting Blades on Varatha Aspect of Achilles. Worked great! I would like to find similar builds that fit each weapon.

random relic
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haha

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i got to it first

proper furnace
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Lmao

strange lark
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oh man

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lmao

vocal stone
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Lol thank you!!!

random relic
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np

strange lark
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np

proper furnace
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Np

hexed lagoon
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Lol

vocal stone
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If I wear a god keepsake it forces the next god boom to be that god, but itā€™s random after that?

strange lark
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yeah

proper furnace
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Yeah, but that god is added to your god pool

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Which once you get boons from 3.other gods only those 4 are able to be offered (hermes and chaos not included in this rule)

vocal stone
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Sweet.

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This has to be the fastest responding discord ever lol AWESOME

strange lark
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we were forced by the devs to do this

hexed lagoon
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They have our family

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Help us

random relic
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wait wtf @lone jetty you have some explaining to do

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wtf is dc0 rama 57

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wtaf

proper furnace
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Amir is controlling my builds so im forced to help

random relic
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why

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literally couldve done like dc2 js1

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if you really wanted em4 ri2 ap2 lol

vocal stone
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Lol

random relic
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rama is literally possibly the best aspect in the game for handling dc and you didnt use it?

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at 57 heat?

vocal stone
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Super noobā€¦ what does it mean when someone says ā€œadd a few pomsā€

strange lark
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pomegranates

proper furnace
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Poms of power

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The lvl up for boons

strange lark
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things that level up your boons

vocal stone
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Ah! Nice!

lone jetty
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Rama can handle JS too. Strong aspect is strong

tight basin
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Use blade dash to strip the DC easily so you can power shot the ones spawning in lol

lone jetty
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I mean Rama really has no problem with damage control on its own but I personally hate it

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Ahh itā€™s coming back to me now I found without DC the timer was fine even with a common Aphro attack, so I didnā€™t have to do rarity resets. More runs was more fun. (Fun being relative at that heat)

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Superdad took like 5mins tho it was horrible

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But I had been grinding a superdad savestate with a subpar build so I figured I could handle it

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Anyway thatā€™s why 57 Heat with Rama and no Damage Control

random relic
manic cradle
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what do people usually run on beowulf?

strange lark
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poseidon cast and artemis attack

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to get mirage shot

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which is bugged on flares and do 100% cast damage instead of the normal 30%

manic cradle
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on flares?

strange lark
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beo doesnt have normal casts

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it gets flares

manic cradle
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ah I understand

proper furnace
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cast goes boom instead of crystal lodging in the enemy

manic cradle
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aight makes sense ty

dreamy prism
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beo is op solely because you'll never be offered the awful downgrade boon known as quick reload

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god I loathe that boon

random relic
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also no flurry cast

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which is just a uselss boon for the most part

dreamy prism
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yep

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although I think it does make your casts faster right

random relic
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yeah but still almost useless

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beo hermes is so nice

soft kiln
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is it worth trading epic flood shot for heroic passion flare on beo?

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fwiw i have +34% chaos cast damage

dreamy prism
soft kiln
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i was but now i gotta find more poseidon

dreamy prism
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if flare was your only mirage prereq and you already had an arty boon then replacing was a mistake

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flood mirage >>> passion

soft kiln
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i didn't have an arty boon yet

dreamy prism
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were you gonna force in aspho

soft kiln
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yeah

dreamy prism
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well then it depends on heat and skill level

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if you were trying to go fast and had very high chance of curbstomping anyways it was a mistake to replace

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if you were doing a heat where you had a good chance of dying then it would've been good to replace and pivot to dem force in aspho

soft kiln
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why dem?

dreamy prism
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dem is standard aspho god alongside aphro for high heat

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dem and aphro are both top tier curses for PS and the combination of both gives you a massive survivability boost

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and dem gives access to snow burst, ravenous will, and frost strike which are all incredible for passion beo

soft kiln
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does mirage shot not work with passion or something

dreamy prism
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it does, but certain high heat pacts mean it's unrealistic to go for mirage unlike how you can almost guarantee it in speedrunning

soft kiln
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what pacts

dreamy prism
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UC, CF, RI, AP all mess with your ability to get duos

soft kiln
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ah that makes sense

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i'm on 24 and whilte it's the highest i've done i'm not really in danger of dying

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i'm running UC but not the others

dreamy prism
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then yeah it would've been best to stick with flood for mirage

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also the nature of the mirror means you generally shouldn't change your flare between flood and passion mid run

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flood wants FF and legacy, passion wants PS and pride

soft kiln
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i barely ever play beo so i completely forgot to change to legacy and dint' even consider PS for it because i never trigger it consistently enough

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i'll think more next time

dreamy prism
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eh ultimately beo is so op you could slap on blade flare and still win at most heats

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so whatever

soft kiln
#

yeah i have epic rd, heroic lvl 7 flare, +37% chaos and 5 casts

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XD

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and hyper sprint

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@dreamy prism i got charged shot pretty early and considered pivoting to that. what does one do with that? just go aphro attack?

dreamy prism
soft kiln
#

cause cshot just focusing on attacks is strong too

dreamy prism
#

eh it's decent

soft kiln
#

i just haven't really done that yet

dreamy prism
#

but really the reason you want cshot is to deliver unblockable casts at long range

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I don't really recommend attack based beo, at best you can slap arty attack with cshot and get a pretty good dps boost since you want arty anyways for mirage

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if you really wanna do attack based beo you would do arty attack aphro cast cshot -> heart rend

dreamy fractal
#

whats is the rail build šŸ˜„

manic cradle
#

can scintillating feast appear on beowulf?

lone jetty
#

Yes

manic cradle
#

great

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the wiki doesn't say that trippy flare can be used to get it, only trippy shot

lone jetty
#

The Zeus page appears to be wrong then. The Dio page is right

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You can get the Trippy Shot duos with Trippy Flare

manic cradle
#

the duo boons page is also wrong, then

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huh

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it's weird because on the duo boons page ice wine is listed with trippy flare, but not scintillating feast

lone jetty
#

Eh mistakes happen

manic cradle
#

ye

manic cradle
#

even without mirage shot beo still op lol just beat hades no DDs with ice wine+scintillating feast

proper furnace
#

Beo moment

random relic
#

like you can get 240 damage attacks in tart with cshot

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with no attack boon

proper furnace
#

Cshot is the rocket bomb of shield

random relic
#

yeah pretty much

#

you dont want to focus on your attack but its just an absurd amount of damage on its own with built in qol on the side

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those being that its unblockable, a ranged attack, and charges faster

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and also fires faster since you dont have to bullrush

soft kiln
#

does lightning strike rarity matter at all

random relic
#

a little bit but not to a great extent

#

its noticeable but its barely going to affect anything

soft kiln
#

i expect it won't matter much

strange lark
#

God's pride moment

soft kiln
#

lol right

iron barn
#

whats the radius for lightning rod? i feel like sometimes ill have a cast sitting on the opposite side of the room and still procing on enemies

soft kiln
#

yeah i donno but it's enormous

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is rocket bomb worth it over targeting system if i can't get cluster bomb anymore?

#

i feel like it's not when i have a ton of flat damage sources

random relic
soft kiln
#

oh really?

random relic
#

yeah

proper furnace
#

Faster way to have your eris buff

soft kiln
#

fwiw i had to purge deadly flourish although i can probably find it again

#

oh that makes sense and it makes tidal dash better

random relic
#

the 30% global from targeting gets a bit diluted from all the other sources of global on eris

proper furnace
#

And if you want a meme, anvil into clockets

random relic
#

and the 80 damage easier to use special is really good

proper furnace
random relic
#

oh definitely do

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yknow sometimes on meh eris paces without clockets i try anvilling into it lol

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never works

strange lark
#

i just route my clockets in

proper furnace
#

Cheater

soft kiln
#

got deadly flourish back

#

rocket bomb critting for 900

#

i get it now

manic cradle
#

is it true that athena cast can activate parting shot by virtue of just being big on hera aspect?

strange lark
#

Ye

manic cradle
#

aight cool

iron barn
#

i still dont understand why casts cant backstab by default

#

shadow presence is atk/special but shouldnt chaos backstab boons affect cassts

iron rover
#

Im doing a hunting bldes Achilles build rn

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With flurry jab and serrated point

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Should I use the super Pom to upgrade urge to kill to lvl 3, hunter dash to lvl 4 or proud bearing to lvl 3

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I have ares cast level 2 and the days strike chaos boone

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Dash

proper furnace
#

None of those are really important to pom

#

What call you have

iron rover
#

Ares

proper furnace
#

Pain

iron rover
#

I said cast I meant call earlier

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I have almost all the blade rift boons

soft kiln
#

demeter fist ME run. I already have ME, impending doom, dire misfortune and divine dash

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i just arrived at eurydice

#

is this a +1 to 4 boons? or a hope doom gets a higher rarity?

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cause i don't really need any more boons right?

twin cloak
#

Id +1 honestly

proper furnace
#

nectar for hermes

twin cloak
#

Best case scenario it hits both doom and impending

soft kiln
proper furnace
#

yeah

twin cloak
#

Oh yeah take nectar

proper furnace
#

purple rd good

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or purple dashes

soft kiln
#

if this isn't the scenario to take +1 i donno what is

proper furnace
#

what lvl are they

soft kiln
#

also is picking a best keepsake just what we're doing now?

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attack is blue lvl 2, impending is purple lvl 1, dire misfortune is blue lvl 1

proper furnace
#

eh probably can find some poms for at least doom or impending

soft kiln
#

yeah sorry i wasn't trying to make an argument for it, was just surprised and not sure if there really is a scenario that isn't nectar at this point

proper furnace
#

i also dont run ME much so idk if +poms is the option here

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i took ambrosia a lot while doing 45-50 zag shield either cuz aphro atk rarity was too low or to guarantee heroic

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making it safe vs replace

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poms is probably if you already had your hermes

soft kiln
#

that's fair

#

lol slice of pom curse of agony nice

#

is there any reason why i might want demeter as my fourth? found a zeus at some point as my third for zeus' aid

proper furnace
#

Rav will is like the only decent thing

soft kiln
#

i donno what else i'm hoping to find. maybe aphro for smair orartemis for rod

#

oh ok so i purge athena special and get artemis special

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bam

proper furnace
#

take the cast

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it also opens deadly reversal

#

also if you want better hermes odds try to avoid calls before both hermes

soft kiln
#

oh good point

proper furnace
#

cuz it opens second wind-quick favor

tight basin
#

Oh deadly reversal ME can give you a FAT charged upper if you get a crit

soft kiln
#

wait what cast

tight basin
#

Arty cast

soft kiln
#

oh you mean instead of purging athena special?

proper furnace
#

yeah

tight basin
#

Yeah

proper furnace
#

divine dash doesnt open DR

tight basin
#

Deadly reversal only works with atk and special for Athena

soft kiln
#

ohhh

tight basin
#

Arty can be like all or something

#

Really weird but fair I guess since it can be strong

soft kiln
#

does rolling knuckle apply to dash uppers?

#

i'm taking colossus knuckle iff not since concentrated knuckle also isn't doing naything

tight basin
#

What does rolling and colossus do lmao

random relic
#

and yeah 19 times out of 20 nectar is the right play, unless you already have like both hermes and whatever boons/duos you need in which case you usually take ambrosia for hopes of upgrading rd

soft kiln
#

that makes sense

soft kiln
tight basin
#

Rolling knuckle shouldn't apply to dash uppers, just the normal atk

#

So largely useless i think

#

I'd also take colossus here

soft kiln
#

is artemis' aid worth it with smair if you also have heart rend?

tight basin
#

assuming it crits on a weak it'll do like what, say about 500 damage at level 1 epic?

#

i mean it might not be bad tbh

#

i personally wouldn't tho, considering that arty call is only considered good when you get full call

soft kiln
#

does cthonic vitality do anything at LC4?

tight basin
#

nope

soft kiln
#

so take the other one on the off chance it does something?

lusty valve
#

It's better than having nothing I suppose

tight basin
lusty valve
#

Oh, right Sadge

soft kiln
#

oh it's 0 right

tight basin
#

yeah

proper furnace
proper furnace
#

@soft kiln sigil of the dad is taken into styx for speedruns

#

For going up in heat-just wins def acorn yeah

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But taken hourglass if well is juicy then swap-gamble on more wells can also be goos

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And if you already have a call-well is bad acorn is still great

#

Allows for more oonga boonga tanks to no stun on acorn hits

soft kiln
proper furnace
#

Yeah

soft kiln
#

got it

iron barn
random relic
#

it does

#

well, from like chaos/hunters dash

#

but not like hammers and stuff

#

although i think the damage from rolling knuckle should apply?

#

maybe its just rolling knuckle that doesnt lol

manic cradle
#

who knew rama special is so fun

#

2k damage doom crits lol

proper furnace
#

Doom crits volfredthink

#

Special only rama or what

manic cradle
#

basically

#

I just got a relentless volley and thought it'd be fun to just stack a bunch of doom

#

I realized partway through that it might be more effective to just do artemis special and almost guarantee a crit on every special assuming that's how crit chance works

proper furnace
#

No its not good

#

Your arrows will crit for like 15 dmg lol

#

But i also have the chance to use this

manic cradle
#

ah lol

proper furnace
#

special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point

tight basin
#

Based

manic cradle
#

the full copypasta experience

#

also why can't I use fated persuasion on hammers it's sad

proper furnace
#

Cant persuade somethings that is not alive

#

And also it be kinda busted

proven osprey
#

I think the devs wanted the players to experience hammers rather than sticking to one, as they have the power to change gameplay in a significant way

lavish trail
#

is there any scenario in which ruthless reflex is usable or good?

proper furnace
#

Gilga

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Shields

#

Thats it

lavish trail
#

im starting a demeter run with hopes of getting an ME build and I got a hamemr first chamber

#

and it's my 3 favorite hamemrs for fists

#

should I go with breaching cross, explosive upper or long knuckle?

#

well 3 of my favs, maybe not exactly my 3 fav per se

proper furnace
#

Breaching

lavish trail
#

yeah

#

melting through armor especially in elysium makes it my go to usually

tight basin
#

I like explosive better personally but both are fine

proper furnace
#

I enjoy explosive a lot too, but breaching is too good

lavish trail
#

does urge to kill buff flat damage bonuses?

proper furnace
#

No

lavish trail
#

do any damage buffs?

proper furnace
#

If it says do more dmg it buffs flat dmg

#

If it specifies a source, nah

lavish trail
#

tough choice i just had to make

#

i had a choice between Merciful end and divine dash

#

and I chose merciful end

#

which might not have been the best call?

#

because I had 4 rolls left

#

and I could get ME from either ares or athena, but i can only get Ddash from athena, and Ares has been showing up naturally in this run

dreamy prism
#

gambler's fallacy, no guarantee he would've continued showing up

#

ME was right choice because duos aren't guaranteed whereas future athena pickups are almost guaranteed to offer dash

tight basin
#

As long as you don't have cores filled, you'll find it

#

And considering it's ME just fill the cast with something else along the way and you're gonna probably be guaranteed ddash from Athena next

lavish trail
tight basin
#

Pretty sure that's how that works

lavish trail
#

there's no guarantee I even see athena again

dreamy prism
#

I once completed ME build minus ddash and had one athena show up in styx with only dash not filled

#

grabbed athena and rolled once, both times offered replacement

#

1/100 chance

tight basin
#

Well it's seeing Athena that's the issue not her not offering the boon lmao

tight basin
dreamy prism
#

idk man as

lavish trail
#

yep I just went through all of elysium without getting a single athena :))))

#

and no athena in Styx

#

I literally just cursed myself lmao

tight basin
#

And this is why ME is cursed lmao

dreamy prism
#

god I hate ME

lavish trail
#

bro

dreamy prism
#

should've been nerfed in a way that didn't make it just even more rng to setup

lavish trail
#

i got satyr sack room 2

#

I'm just gonna mod it screw this

tight basin
lavish trail
#

where are the mod instructions pinned?

tight basin
#

It's just pain to get going

tight basin
lavish trail
#

oh there's a separate server for it?

tight basin
#

If you just download it tho it provides instructions in it

tight basin
#

There's a mod where it combines all aspects somewhere

#

And also Minecraft Steve mod

lavish trail
#

oh man I'm there now and this looks way too complicated for me

#

I'm so bad with computers lol

tight basin
#

Where's "there" lol

lavish trail
#

the modding discord

#

looking at the FAQ section and installation instructions

tight basin
#

Go to modding general and ask for help there

#

Probably anyways

lavish trail
#

alright I'll beat dad and then figure it oyut

tight basin
#

They're very good at what they do lol

lavish trail
#

I've installed mods for a couple games before

#

man I'm so sad i don't have ddash this run though, this would be a sub-10 if I did

tight basin
#

It do be like that

lavish trail
#

I have epic doom lvl 7 with rare impending doom lvl 3 lol

tight basin
#

Ah crap you've just reminded me that I need to try for a sub 7 beo residentzag

proper furnace
#

For a bit of cope, you can dash strike and dash upper in 1 dash

lavish trail
#

no rush delivery though

proper furnace
#

So you still can somewhat get some ME procs

tight basin
proper furnace
#

Yup

tight basin
#

Do you just mash the buttons

dreamy prism
#

it's called rolling special

#

decent no ddash cope

#

the timing isn't super tight

#

it's also a common tech for early tartarus since that combo can one shot a lot of stuff and speed you up

proper furnace
#

I've done it for no divine dash lernie

#

Tho iirc that one time i had kinetic tho

#

Which is actually rlly good before divine dash lol

lavish trail
#

does rush delivery combo with hyper sprint?

tight basin
#

yes

lavish trail
#

whoa

tight basin
#

hyper sprint also opens up rd

dreamy prism
#

decent combo

tight basin
#

you can take greater haste to cope and pray for ichors tho lmao

lavish trail
#

so you can basically do double damage for half a second after each dash?

tight basin
#

assuming epic rd yeah

proper furnace
#

50% at common rd kinda decent yeah

tight basin
#

yeah even at common it's still great

dreamy prism
#

RD is way too strong imo

#

and too rarity dependent

proper furnace
#

Hermes is just built different

tight basin
#

i mean all of hermes scales with rarity by a lot

proper furnace
#

And also a lot of people dont even know it exists tbh

#

Dashes/the money one are like the only ones

dreamy prism
#

reminds me of that one poor dude who was purging hermes

proper furnace
#

But like good hermes or jusy your meh hermes

lavish trail
#

i've purged hermes before

#

if i have to

dreamy prism
#

yeah same

#

but that guy was taking hermes just to purge him

proper furnace
#

Same

#

Oh

#

Ouch

dreamy prism
#

amazing

tight basin
#

understandable if they were running priv status tbh

dreamy prism
#

hmmmm

proper furnace
#

What does that have to do with hermes

tight basin
#

for legal reasons that was a joke

tight basin
#

5% boost if you keep hermes but if you purge you lose it

proper furnace
#

:boulyai:

random relic
proven osprey
#

You need bad things too :)

fresh rover
#

build recs on arthur? nvr used this weapon before but it seems slow af

dreamy prism
#

arthur likes smoldering air so you can force zeus for hopefully call after that and have a good time

proper furnace
#

You can dash between the swings for easier use

random relic
fresh rover
#

how do you dash btwn the swings?

random relic
#

you dont get as much damage from vicious cycle on your call

fresh rover
#

every time i dash it resets my attack combo

dreamy prism
#

you're right, nerfs three best calls of arty aphro and ares

proper furnace
#

Wait saying between is wrong

#

Just dash while doint the swing

dreamy prism
#

and spam click attack

fresh rover
#

you mean just dash attack?

#

i play with controller

dreamy prism
#

nope

random relic
#

nah

fresh rover
#

oh woah i just did it wtf

random relic
#

arthur has such bad frame data you can dash in between the attack combo

fresh rover
#

that's so weird

#

do you still get dash iframes?

proper furnace
#

I think you can do it on other weapons but it soesnt have an use

dreamy prism
#

what if you aren't actually intended to be able to do that and arthur was just so slow it created the bug

lavish trail
proper furnace
#

You also can hold attack and use dash for dash strikes too

dreamy prism
lavish trail
#

I don't use it for damage

dreamy prism
#

and aphro call is the best full gauge damage call

fresh rover
#

you guys take shadow pres or fiery pres on arthur?

lavish trail
#

I use it to disrupt boss attacks

proper furnace
#

Shadow

dreamy prism
#

both are good

#

I'm a shadow fan though too

random relic
#

im a fiery fan

#

(i dont play arthur)

fresh rover
#

the aphro on attack is just for the % bonus? wondering if arty attack is good too

dreamy prism
#

arty attack is fine

proper furnace
#

Good luck critting on the 3rd swing for your big dmg

#

Aphro is consistent

dreamy prism
#

yeah ultimately consistency is king

random relic
#

^^

dreamy prism
#

and plus weak is good synergy with arthur's damage resistance

#

you can actually facetank stuff with it

fresh rover
#

aight makes sense

#

also gdi pressing attack and then dash is so counter to the muscle memory i've built up over hours and hours of runs so far >.>

proper furnace
#

Worth it tho

dreamy prism
#

tbh I play arthur by just spam clicking and not focusing on it

#

then you can focus on dashes exclusively

proper furnace
#

You arent stuck as a sitting duck doing your combo bouldy

random relic
#

(i dont play arthur)

proper furnace
#

Do 32 heat on it

random relic
#

nem is the only good sword aspect

fresh rover
#

i'm doing it to fulfill my prophecy but then i'm out

random relic
#

(i say after having only tried it one time in the past few months and getting a cheat engine build first try)

fresh rover
#

this weapon sucks šŸ˜‚

proper furnace
#

Is good but you learn to play normal sword and is meh bouldy

random relic
proper furnace
#

Im glad idk how to play sword

random relic
proper furnace
#

Too hard

tight basin
#

pos sword gaming?

#

throw cast and special

proper furnace
#

Thats still not playing sword

#

And thats why it was my choice for forst 32 sword lmao

tight basin
#

i've had more success with arty cast pos sword than nem sword at 32 lmfao

random relic
#

bruh nem is so easy though

proper furnace
#

I did phalanx for pos 32

#

And just a bit of smair + splitting + rd

tight basin
#

see that's what i should've done and meant to do but i autopiloted into arty keepsake and didn't feel like resetting

proper furnace
#

Nem i tried to do ME first but that died at lernie

tight basin
#

this is peak pos sword gaming

#

and why it's better than the other swords

#

and yes it was terrible but funny

random relic
#

peak nem sword gaming

#

and why its better than the other swords

#

even the specials were doing like 1k lmao

proper furnace
#

Mine

tight basin
#

oh another example of why legacy is a scam

random relic
proper furnace
#

It looks better in game

maiden wolf
fresh rover
#

can you still get special boons on arthur?

random relic
#

yeah lol

maiden wolf
#

yea

fresh rover
#

and they don't do anything i assume?

random relic
#

why wouldnt they?

maiden wolf
#

no, they do i think

fresh rover
#

oh does your special do any dmg? šŸ¤”

random relic
proper furnace
#

They dont have interactions with the aura if thats what you mean

maiden wolf
#

the hidden aspects have a lot of coded interactions, its very smooth.

proper furnace
#

Is just your special as isual

random relic
#

yes, your special does damage lmao

fresh rover
#

oh lol i couldn't tell

random relic
maiden wolf
#

i dislike arthur, it was too easy and honestly boring.

proper furnace
#

I like arthur, it was too easy

maiden wolf
#

the best hidden aspect is the shield, its too powerful

proper furnace
#

Beo moment

maiden wolf
#

i played ONE round of it and i three shot both of hades phases

tight basin
#

Sounds about right

maiden wolf
#

i love it when my entire kit is moderately powerful at once and i can just dps my brains out and style on everything

#

some people have reccomended focusing on one thing with your kit, like a cast or a attack or special but honestly i love it when i balance out my whole kit and just shred

tender latch
#

How did a rama run last 43 minutes

random relic
tender latch
#

As far as the focus thing, it really depends on the build

#

Yeah, Eris just buffs everything to the point where your farts do 300 damage

maiden wolf
#

i like eris but i am personally a hestia fan

iron barn
maiden wolf
proper furnace
#

With maimed you either die or live at 1 hp

maiden wolf
#

it doesnt matter which gun you use, the special is always good becuase you can special, reload and dodge all at once and it takes almost zero extra time compared to a normal dash

#

though i still dunno what the hidden aspect is

#

the gun is the only hidden aspect im missing

proper furnace
#

Beaaaaams

maiden wolf
#

ive zero clue how to get it since neither eris nor hestia are found in the game, but im sure ill run into them eventually

proper furnace
#

||zeus||

maiden wolf
#

i will not spoil myself

proper furnace
#

But yeah as long you have your aspects lvl up + talk to everyone you are bound to get it

maiden wolf
#

rn the game has given darkness buff to the fists, so ima do some funny gaming

#

the fists of demeter be like:

proper furnace
#

0 damage?

#

Yeah

maiden wolf
#

no

#

mine arent even max level and i can do 225 damage in one hit

#

any ares special enjoyers? its my most used boon

#

what is everyones favorite keepsake?

tender latch
#

Depends on the weapon

#

But ares usually goes on attack

#

Most goated keepsake either be acorn or hades call

maiden wolf
#

i dislike ares attack unless i get the thing where it does more damage per stack

#

so being able to deal 200 damage every 2 seconds by just occasionally cycling in a special has became one of the most consistent damage options for me

tight basin
#

if you're using doom you should be using merciful end like 90% of the time, and doom atk is better with that

maiden wolf
#

idk if i have a high fire rate weapon, i find zeus attack to just be better

proper furnace
#

Is a good option

tight basin
#

also works fine

proper furnace
#

But ME is just option

maiden wolf
#

i like the doom special especially with impending doom for obvious reasons

proper furnace
#

Fists also stunlock normal enemies so less static discharge procs

tight basin
#

ME is an option if you like not finding the duo, finding the duo but not having the dash, or getting everything but common doom

proper furnace
#

And compared to eris you dont get 75% global dmg just by existing

maiden wolf
#

eris funny but like i said im a hestia enjoyer

proper furnace
#

But anyways i also love ZAP fists lol

#

ME bad, lightning gud

maiden wolf
#

rn im quite enjoying my epic hangover attack boon with the fists. for obvious reasons.

tight basin
#

based

random relic
maiden wolf
#

i know

#

eris is good

#

i prefer hestia

#

i REALLY wanna start over to get hell mode but i have like SO much progress on this file and my aphrodite HUD makes my trans girl heart go hapy

strange lark
maiden wolf
#

ohhh good choice

#

why cant i post an image? can i only post an image every so often here?

tight basin
#

send it as a link

proper furnace
#

No img perms

#

Use embeds

tight basin
#

send it in a different server or something and copy paste the image link here

strange lark
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Only get image perms if you beat 60 heat

maiden wolf
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pictured: trans girl happiness

tight basin
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that is a gaming moment

proper furnace
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Are you fishing for exclusive access

tight basin
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If you get exclusive access before Hermes that's pretty busted ngl

maiden wolf
strange lark
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Duo boon that makes all boons purple

maiden wolf
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sheeeeesh

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what is it, poseidon and dionysius?

strange lark
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Ye

maiden wolf
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i may have gotten it before

proper furnace
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Thought you knew considering you forced pos lol

maiden wolf
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honestly i just love poseidon and dionysius with the fists, im one shotting bone rakers with my special

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i just love aphrodite duos, the homing cast ones are so fun

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melting hades with demeter aphrodite cast is so fun

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one time i talked with someone who insisted that casts shouldnt be used ever unless youhave a cast build. i blocked him.

strange lark
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šŸ—æ

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Bro just hates damage

maiden wolf
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its literally free damage even if you have no cast boon

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i said "its reliable damage at a range" and he was like "if you want range, we have thatits called bow and gun" like??? im not always using those?

strange lark
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If you want reliable damage at range while using fists just use bow or rail

tight basin
tight basin
proper furnace
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also gives you low tolerance open

maiden wolf
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but poseidon special can barrier slam and against bosses theres a boon that makes knockback boons deal like 40% more damage to bosses

proper furnace
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how much is tempest flourish again

lucid oar
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70

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second highest

maiden wolf
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im tryna get the boon where barrier slams create shockwaves but i just keep finding htdraulic might instead

proper furnace
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beaver my beloved

maiden wolf
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i have an epic tempest flourish this run so its 130%

maiden wolf
lucid oar
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101 damage

maiden wolf
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why do people like athena dash so much???? its not even that good

lucid oar
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idk man

proper furnace
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as someone

maiden wolf
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athenas attack is nice and her special is meh but her dash??? dash already has i frames, its unneeded

lucid oar
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deflect op

proper furnace
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the amounts of time someone learns about dash having iframes is a lot more

maiden wolf
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deflected projectiles dont do that much though...

proper furnace
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and also how dash strikes cancel those iframes

lucid oar
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my overall pb has divine dash squirtheh

proper furnace
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is just a giant safe box basically, no one uses it for the dmg

maiden wolf
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idk even thiugh i dont use greater reflex in the mirror and i never use divine dash i have zero problems dodging hades circular sweep

proper furnace
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deflect doesnt work on the spin attack anyways

lucid oar
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what about FO2 hades

maiden wolf
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yeah but they said divine gives increased i frames

proper furnace
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it doesnt give iframes but any deflected attack will stop doing dmg

maiden wolf
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i have yet to try extreme measures 4 dont judge me

proper furnace
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nothing to do with em4

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is just a really extra safety net and also opens the DD boons which for high heat is crazy

maiden wolf
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again i really want to do hell mode but i have so many hours on my main save

proper furnace
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install the modpack so you can switch to hell mode on your main file

maiden wolf
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oh i might do that

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i still use regular death defiance even though i rarely burn all three and i usually never need more than one on hades himself

proper furnace
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at high heat you normally swap to stubborn defiance

maiden wolf
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i used to need all three for hades but now i sometimes dont even die once

proper furnace
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cuz lasting consecuences lvl 4 is used

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so no healing

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and you sd to heal basically

maiden wolf
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i heard high heat is better with stubborn yeah

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after party my beloved...

proper furnace
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and with sd you can use the dds boons to gain extra dds

maiden wolf
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dds?

proper furnace
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death defiance

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basically lose stubborn>pick refill DD boon and gain a DD>sd regens next room

maiden wolf
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oh so boons that normally replenish a death defiance will instead give a second stubborn

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ir

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or

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give a dd rhat cmes after the stubborn

proper furnace
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yeah

maiden wolf
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i see

proper furnace
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safety net basically

maiden wolf
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kiss of styx my beloved

proper furnace
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  • you still get the extra effects (healing/extra iframes) on sd
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oh sd item is much better than kiss honestly

maiden wolf
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im still instinctively burning obol on kiss of styx even though i rarely end up needing it lmao

proper furnace
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specially the patty version

proper furnace
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and can stack multiple

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and patty version is a +50% bouldy

maiden wolf
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skellys tooth would be a thousand times better if it came before other DDs

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does it come before or after SD?

proper furnace
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tooth is always last

maiden wolf
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okay

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so its based with sd

proper furnace
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another safety net basically

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in case lernie scary/bull scary/elysium happens

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you never know

random relic