h1-builds-and-combat

[twin cloak]

It will make 4 wave ?????

[plain river]

Think so

pulv blow sea storm hehehehep

[tight basin]

considering it's a poseidon core i think this is the most appropriate

[twin cloak]

Super soaker truly goes crazy on everything

Super soaker flurry slash zagsword

[proper furnace]

You dont need tempest strike if you dont take pulv blow

[plain river]

Wdym

You take tempest strike for mirahe shot prerequisite on hunter flare

P

[twin cloak]

^

Huer's flarr is cracked

[soft kiln]

Rama with explosive shot: do i take Point Blank Shot, Repulse Shot, or Triple Shot?

I think it's Triple shot? althought point blank makes doing up close explosive shots better

[tight basin]

i'd say point blank imo, but triple shot can be massive with explosive
i'd get another opinion than mine tho

[random relic]

triple

explosive rama is already very sus though

[soft kiln]

it was like repulse, explosive, or sniper or something

it was bad

[random relic]

oh ew

somehow explosive is the best there

[soft kiln]

it's doing crazy damage i'm just takin ga lot more damage than i would like

i got 30% attack speed from hermes

it's made it much more bearable

should i anvil

[tight basin]

isn't there a thing where you can buy the anvil and then quit the game if you dont like the hammers so it puts you back before you buy the anvil

you could do that but not sure if that's how that works

[twin cloak]

i would've went for point blank

[lone jetty]

Triple Explosive stomps

[iron barn]

is black out true global? it says "take more damage"

[proper furnace]

Probably?

[soft kiln]

i'm on rama with aphro attack and dio special

should i take relentless volley since i'm trying to find low tolerance anyway?

other optiions are explosive shot and sniper shot 😐

[proper furnace]

Might as well

Wait is this first hammer?

[soft kiln]

second

first was triple shot

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

It's great for Drunken Flourish even if you don't get Low Tolerance.

Low Tolerance will only be a factor in boss fights anyway

[dreamy prism]

oh shoot good point

[random relic]

wait it might be

dude that would actually be really good to know because unlike sweet surrender or whatever 60% is a lot of damage for summons

[soft kiln]

is rolling knuckle a safe take on demeter fists?

other options are draining cutter and colossus knuckle 😐

i mean i guess being sturdy is cool

[dreamy prism]

draining cutter is better than usual on dem because special can actually kill stuff

[proper furnace]

Sturdy cool but if you get hyper sprint it gets kinda useless

[soft kiln]

yep already have hyper sprint

[proper furnace]

Whats rolling knuckle again anyways
+60% dash steike and added to combo?

[dreamy prism]

think so

I don't like it that much so would opt for draining

[soft kiln]

yeah. so i think it adds a hook to standing attack sequence?

i guess it'll never do anything ok

[proper furnace]

I wouldnt think that much which hammer you get tbh

They are all pretty

[random relic]

fists hammers are cool but suck

[soft kiln]

pom flourish to go from 80-134%, static discharge to go from 177-207, or billowing strength to go from 20-34

i assume it's just discharge

[dreamy prism]

what aspect

because if you have a ton of flat damage and a good call like zeus or dio, absolutely billowing strength

[soft kiln]

still demeter fists

i have aphro call

[random relic]

im assuming this is zap fists?

[soft kiln]

it is

[dreamy prism]

hm

[random relic]

hm

tidal dash?

[soft kiln]

i don't have smair yet

[dreamy prism]

hm

[soft kiln]

i have tidal dash

[random relic]

ok

billowing then

[dreamy prism]

billowing then

wtf

[random relic]

lmao

same brain

[dreamy prism]

one brain cell

yeah so just use small aphro calls

it'll feel weird but ultimately optimal

[soft kiln]

i could try and purge it and find another call

[random relic]

if you get smair thatll be 34% global with 100% uptime

which is insane

[random relic]

probably a bit risky

[soft kiln]

but i also don't mind small aphro calls it really messes up boss mechanics

[dreamy prism]

I wouldn't risk losing the call

[random relic]

it depends on where you are

but im assuming this is like in ely?

[soft kiln]

shop before champs

[random relic]

oh yeah dont try to lmao

just try to get smair in styx

keep aphro call

[soft kiln]

https://imgur.com/a/k6ZjgDq

I am definitely convinced about jolt btw

[random relic]

is zeusattackbolt jolted

[soft kiln]

i think

[random relic]

yeah it does big damage lol

[soft kiln]

there's nothing else it can be

i think lightning perfect is lightning reflexes XD

[random relic]

yeah

well yep theres jolted being insane lmao

[soft kiln]

lol got smair the moment i walked into styx

[random relic]

niceee

smair + billowing is a ridiculous combo

[tight basin]

ez smair

just get the boon™️

just get the boon™️

[random relic]

just get it twice?

[tight basin]

oh very cool discord for sending the message twice

[random relic]

lmao felt that

ive had it send the same message 5 times replying to someone

and each one was many minutes apart

[lavish trail]

are there any good choas shield-specific hammers?

[strange lark]

no

[lavish trail]

what's a good build for chaos shield then?

[random relic]

charged shot hammer, aphro attack

completely ignore special

[strange lark]

could do the reddit/haelian thing and do dio special

[random relic]

yeah because thats totally a good build

[strange lark]

it was fun when i was playing casually

[lavish trail]

why wouldnt i then just do zag aspect?

[strange lark]

good question

[lavish trail]

so there arent really any cool things to do with Chaos specifically?

[random relic]

yep

its the worst aspect in the game

[lavish trail]

cool, zag shield it is

[strange lark]

gilgamesh

talos

hades

chaos is still a shield

[lavish trail]

because I always run Beowulf and I want to do a more attack heavy shield setup

[random relic]

at least those have unique effects

obv for high heat chaos is better bc shield

[lavish trail]

i like running around hitting enemies with the shield

[random relic]

yeah zag shield is the way to go then

[lavish trail]

what's a good zag setup?

[random relic]

charged shot + aphro attack

[lavish trail]

I'm guessing still charged shot

because charged shot

[random relic]

completely ignore the special

lmao

[lavish trail]

Yeah I usually end up doing that unless I'm running Zeus shiled

with beo and zag i never special pretty much

[strange lark]

best zag shield build is ares special

tag enemies with it

run away

[random relic]

ah yes, the dread flight build

[strange lark]

and get athena dash and aphro attack for curse of longing

make sure you have pstatus on the mirror

[lavish trail]

i got curse of longing already without athena dash

what does athena dash add to curse of longing?

[strange lark]

i was memeing

[lavish trail]

so im gonna try rama for the first time, and I'm 'guessing you do a lot of dash strikes?

Is aphrodite attack good for rama you think?

and what's a good special?

[dreamy prism]

that's right, standing strikes are just way too slow

[lavish trail]

should I go triple shot or point blank shot for my first hammer?

i also have explosive shot

[dreamy prism]

aphrodite's arguably the best attack if rare or better, demeter and athena are also good at high rarity and artemis at any rarity

[lavish trail]

but I feel ike that would just be too slow

[dreamy prism]

triple shot is really strong but hard to use

point blank is easier to use

then explosive is really strong but unwieldy as you guessed

[lavish trail]

triple shot involves getting immediately next to an enemy and sinking all three shots in, right?

like you play super close?

[dreamy prism]

that's right

[lavish trail]

that's how i usually play triple

[dreamy prism]

particularly going behind enemies for big backstab

[lavish trail]

I'm only at 18 heat, I think I'm gonna try triple and just try to get extra dashes from hermes

[dreamy prism]

for special it's usually not worth forcing with keepsake

take dio, zeus, or ares if they show up

or demeter for killing freeze

[random relic]

triple shot

imo

its harder to play but you get absurd damage

like boss instaphase levels of damage

[lavish trail]

how likely is it that I'm gonna get power shots off when I'm dash-shotting around?

Do I even go for power shots?

or do I just try to sink in tripes at all and take what I can get?

[dreamy prism]

you do

[lavish trail]

ok

[dreamy prism]

if you can

but don't feel like you have to, part of good rama play is knowing when to just discharge small attack

[lavish trail]

So I'm really walking a fine line between staying long enough to get that power shot off and doing like 500 damage and then getting the hell out before I get wrecked

[dreamy prism]

yeah that's why triple shot is hard

twin shot is weaker but much safer

[soft kiln]

@lavish trail is it max rama or low level rama

[lavish trail]

max rama

[strange lark]

it doesnt really matter the best rama build is ME

[lavish trail]

i have max all aspects

[strange lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/884460755053846628/Screenshot_448.png

peak rama performance

[lavish trail]

okay i see it now

i just instaphased lernie with it

wow

[soft kiln]

lol that was me like 6 hours ago

multiple rama converts today

[random relic]

lol rament

[lavish trail]

is hades special good for Guan yu?

And i'm just desperately hunting for exploding skewer?

[lone jetty]

Charged Skewer is the A+ hammer for Guan Yu

[lavish trail]

ok

but Aphrodite special is good?

idk why i said hades

i meant aph lmao

[lone jetty]

Yeah, any % boost is good there.

[strange lark]

yeah hades special is good for guan yu

[random relic]

yeah hades special gives a 50% chance to darkness which is crazy

[lavish trail]

my primary issue with guan yu is that i simply do not have enough health

Works fine for normal rooms

but asterius just killed me in like 3-4 hitw

hits

[dreamy prism]

yeah bosses are rough with the based spear

are you using aphrodite special?

[lavish trail]

rare aphro, level 7

but both hammers didn't offer a single skewer upgrade

[dreamy prism]

rip that's the issue with gy

[lavish trail]

yep

[dreamy prism]

if you don't get cskewer it's kinda meh

[lavish trail]

Yep, I'm dealing withthat now lol

only doing about 180 per special

[dreamy prism]

what keepsake did you run in asphodel

[lavish trail]

athena for deflect dash

[dreamy prism]

yeah that's good

max gy I assume

[lavish trail]

of course

[plain river]

Wdym quick spin massive spin is all you need of guan-yu

[dreamy prism]

hm without cskewer your best bet is special -> dstrike -> dstrike

with something decent on attack

[lavish trail]

yeah that's what Im doing

i have apic ath lvl 2

epic*

i'm doing just fine with normal rooms

[dreamy prism]

well then chalk it up to bad luck and try again hoping for cskewer for bosses lol

[lavish trail]

but it's literally only the bull that took a big bite out of me

[dreamy prism]

it just be like that

[lavish trail]

i'm not dead yet

i'm only at 17 heat, i can probably finish this run but it'll be tough

[iron barn]

are there any use cases for standing sword attack

im playing zsword just for fun

[random relic]

not really

[twin cloak]

zword's only use is +15% speed for rd

which automatically makes it infinitely better than poseidon

[dreamy prism]

only with flurry, cursed, or cruel thrust

[strange lark]

For cruel thrust you would not use standing attack

World splitter you would tho

[iron barn]

shadow slash?

[dreamy prism]

I think with cruel thrust there can be merit to a full combo now and then

because cruel thrust is an insanely strong hammer in a vacuum

[strange lark]

And with flurry you wouldn't use standing attack but you are forced into it

[strange lark]

No

[plain river]

Flurry cursed slash with red strike from hermes on zag sword

[strange lark]

I still don't think it's worth it

Since you have to do two slow attacks that deal no damage to get to the third attack that still doesn't deal that much damage

[dreamy prism]

yeah probably

idk I just like cruel thrust

[strange lark]

Moyai

[dreamy prism]

it's seriously such a broken stat buff

[strange lark]

What does it do

Except for the crit

[dreamy prism]

+200% damage

which is yeah

[strange lark]

World splitter still better

[proper furnace]

Chop is funny

[lucid oar]

200% is a lot

Mirage is only 30%

[strange lark]

So true

[lucid oar]

Cruel thrust is at least 6.66 mirage shots

[random relic]

thats a lot of cruel thrust

must be a mirage

[strange lark]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[proper furnace]

Epic rav will = 1 mirage

[fresh rover]

can someone give me a chiron bow build to try out?

[random relic]

aphro attack + artemis special + heart rend duo

[fresh rover]

okee, support gods?

[random relic]

uhh tidal dash is always nice for aoe on chiron

ofc the hammers you want are concentrated > relentless > piercing

[fresh rover]

ok thanks! gonna try it out

[proper furnace]

Funny zeus call for smair always nice

[plain river]

Tidal dash opens mirage shot and sweet nectar interferring with finding heart rend though

[random relic]

yeah but its still a good boon

its up to you whether you want to take it before you get heart rend

[lavish trail]

Is the sword the toughest weapon to run 32 heat on?

[hexed lagoon]

Depends on what ur good at I think

[tight basin]

fists is probably

just because you have to get close and you generally want to run em3, beyblade bull is not fun

[lavish trail]

it only took me 2 or 3 tries to do it with fists

once I had merciful end it was a free win

[tight basin]

could say the same about sword tbh lmao

[lavish trail]

how do you even run ME on sword?

[tight basin]

same thing with fist

a lot of dash striking

[lavish trail]

so you put doom on attack and athena special/dash

that doesnt seem as effective with sword as it is with fists tbh

because fists attack is so much faster

[dreamy prism]

it's pretty good tbh

[tight basin]

it isn't as good but it's still viable and the best sword build

[dreamy prism]

one big advantage of sword ME is that it's still effective without divine dash

since you dstrike dstrike special anyways

[tight basin]

yeah

[lavish trail]

I've been trying 32 heat runs with Eris sword and stacking crits with art and ath and it's not working well at all

[dreamy prism]

eris sword gaming

assuming for nemesis, try arty attack athena special deadly reversal

and ddash if you can manage

[lavish trail]

i meant nemesis lmao

i dont have all the names down yet

yeah I've been doing nemesis with deadly reversal

[dreamy prism]

hm

do you feel like you lack damage

[tight basin]

heart rend might be better to inflict weak if youre struggling so you take less damage

[lavish trail]

haven't gotten ddash on either of my attempts with it though

no i'm not lacking damage I'm just not good at dodging

32 heat is a lot of enemies coming at you very fast and doing a LOT of damage to you

especially because i haven't learned sd

i tried it and didnt make it even halfway through asphodel

0 heals strat just did not work

[tight basin]

asphodel is a free sd reset tho

[lavish trail]

i dont know what that means

[tight basin]

step into the lava to reset it

[lavish trail]

from what i've been told

[proper furnace]

when lower than 30% hp pop the sd on purpose

free heal

[lavish trail]

you die purposely at the end of the room

[tight basin]

yeah

[lavish trail]

but then you only have 30% hp

[tight basin]

well

if you have more than 30% dont do that

[lavish trail]

and in the next room you have a total of 60% hp to play with

[tight basin]

but if you have less then do that

[random relic]

same for fists

[lavish trail]

and 60% hp on 32 heat is not nearly enough for me

maybe for most rooms

[tight basin]

grab more hearts then

[lavish trail]

I'm busy grabbing enough boons to make sure that I can purge a worthless one instead of a necessary one though

[proper furnace]

check your charon wells for touch of styx too

[dreamy prism]

you can do death defiance at 32 heat just fine

LC0-2

[lavish trail]

so i usually only have 150ish hp by mid-asphodel

what is LC0-2

[proper furnace]

no need to take that many useless boons too

save your rolls for there too

[lavish trail]

I try to take one expendable boon per floor

[random relic]

yeah but its worse imo

[proper furnace]

and if you want optimal healing, if reward is a heart pop sd if lower than 30% then grab heart

you recover more health that way

[dreamy prism]

0 1 or 2 points into lasting consequences

[lavish trail]

both of my 32 heat clears (fists and rail) were done with dd

[dreamy prism]

2 points into lasting consequences is nice because it preserves cthonic vitality at 2 health

[lavish trail]

which one is lasting consequences> that's the healing% one, right?

[dreamy prism]

yeah

for stubborn defiance it's cranked up to 4 for -100% healing

[lavish trail]

yep

[random relic]

nah if lower than 30% you pop sd then grab heart

[lavish trail]

that's the strategy i tried to run and failed at horrible

[random relic]

wait

i totally read that wrong

ignore me

[proper furnace]

pls

[dreamy prism]

grab heart then reset SD

[random relic]

[dreamy prism]

trust me bro

[tight basin]

you're using deadly reversal nemesis right?

[lavish trail]

I know the strats for SD, I'm just not good enough at avoiding damage with JS3 and the one that makes enemies faster

i forget the name of that one

[fresh rover]

agh chiron is horrible in styx

[random relic]

i misinterpreted the sentence because it has 2 conditionals lmao

[lavish trail]

yes

[proper furnace]

why are you on js3

[random relic]

or rather, the second clause does

[proper furnace]

bad english moment pls understand

[tight basin]

can we see the pact lol

[lavish trail]

what else would I be on?

[proper furnace]

anything else

[random relic]

no it was fine lmao im just stupid

[lavish trail]

I'm not running that one right now, I don't have a screenshot

I"m running a shield at 11 heat rn lol

[random relic]

it was just lack of punctuation which is standard on the internet anyways

[lavish trail]

I stopped after 3 attempts and took a break

[proper furnace]

was the js3 pact with tight deadline by any chance?

[lavish trail]

yes

tight deadline 2

[random relic]

try doing js0 td3

[dreamy prism]

:(

yeah yeah that's a better pact

[lavish trail]

Hold on, let me finish this run and then I'll share a screenshot of what I've been trying with

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1007790783895699616/unknown.png?width=659&height=670
this is a rough outline of a 32 heat pact, you really do not want to take JS or CP

JS1 is alright but anything more than that is

[lavish trail]

Forced overtime 2????
that will kill me before i even hit lernie

ok Im exaggerating

[random relic]

its bad to take js or cp over td because they are pacts that make the game harder

[proper furnace]

there is hl5, fo0 pacts too

[lavish trail]

but with FO2 the bull kills me every time

[random relic]

but if you can already clear under 20 minutes then td does nothing

[tight basin]

@neat mauve did a em2 td2 pact iirc

[lavish trail]

I can clear under 20 if I get a good boon build

[tight basin]

lowkey cursed but it's not bad lol

[lavish trail]

OKay that pact looks good except for lasting consequences 4 and tight deadline 3, those 2 feel like it would make it completely impossible for my skill level

[tight basin]

you should really try and learn fo2 tho, once you get used to it and learn it well such that it becomes second nature, it more or less becomes a free 6 heat

[proper furnace]

whats the farthest you got with your og pact?

[lavish trail]

final fight of Elysium

I didn't get pat on any of my attempts though

[proper furnace]

you can keep trying with it but really change js3

not only hurts timer but some tart-ely rooms are just gonna be 🗿

[tight basin]

lc4 is just because of SD, and tbh i think your old pact was just screwing yourself over by taking js3

[neat mauve]

indeed! recommended

[neat mauve]

whaaat?? it was just fine!

[tight basin]

i mean it is fine it's just a little cursed without em3 imo lmao

[lavish trail]

I'll try TD3 over Js3 i guess

[tight basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1007791831427322026/unknown.png?width=626&height=669

this is the pact btw

that 32 heat champ used

[tight basin]

lc4 is just because of SD, and tbh i think your old pact was just screwing yourself over by taking js3

[proper furnace]

what weapon are you running 32 with again btw?

[neat mauve]

certified

[tight basin]

thanks for sending the message again discord

[proper furnace]

lmao

[tight basin]

discord lowkey dying today

[lavish trail]

I've already completed 32 with rail and fists, now attempting sword

[proper furnace]

alright i cant speak on tips for that

[lavish trail]

I'm going to adjust my pact as you guys have advised and run deadly reversal nemesis

[proper furnace]

i just went cast build with pos sword lmao

[lavish trail]

I tried that once too and got AWFUL rng

the POS one i mean

[proper furnace]

my nem attempt died at lernie

[lavish trail]

I've had some really good poseidon runs but the higher the heat the more RNG those ones feel

[tight basin]

tbh i shouldn't be giving any advice i've only done 32 heat with beo and i've yet to try on another weapon lmfao i just know what pact should be used

[lavish trail]

you're basically dependent on chaos to give you more crystal

from my experience at least

[proper furnace]

are you using stygian soul per chance

[tight basin]

nah you're just dependent on chaos for a free room

[proper furnace]

that sounds like stygian

[lavish trail]

I'm using the one that starts with 3 crystals

[tight basin]

lmfao discord is not having a good time

[proper furnace]

wait let me grab my pos sword pact

just be adviced it was kinda lucky/fo2 pact

[lavish trail]

I tried one poseidon run and I don't remember exactly how it went horribly wrong but it did indeed go horribly wrong

[proper furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/905879069659390032/2021110414595100-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

[tight basin]

oh only a little bit of rng

[proper furnace]

oh it was during the cursed pb lmao

8:00:29 🗿

[tight basin]

lmfao

[lavish trail]

yeah I got a common athena cast and no eurydice to upgrade it

so I wasn't doing a ton of damage

[proper furnace]

whats athena cast rarity scaling again

i think the poms are doing more there

[tight basin]

i think athena is pretty decent with poms

[lavish trail]

i literally dont remember how the run went wrong, probably another JS3

I lost a lot of casts getting stuck in random enemies who would run away

[tight basin]

js3 is just not a fun time lmao

[lavish trail]

FO made them run faster so I kept just missing them when I'd cast at them from anywhere but point blank

[proper furnace]

phalanx moment

i like it but it has problems

[lavish trail]

I got really bad luck with BP2 where those red skeletons who shoot waves at you had the speed boost and extra armor so it took me FOREVER just to kill like 6 of them

[tight basin]

lowkey a js issue as well lol

[proper furnace]

blaming js is always fine 👍

[lavish trail]

yeah I'm just generally not as skilled as a really good player at this game I feel like too. I still used spiked collar all the time because I get hit so much, I use bouldy call for free heals and end up using him 2-3 times a run

I'm fine at doing damage but I'm not great at dodging

I play WAY WAY too tanky

[proper furnace]

can solve that with practice too

[lavish trail]

yep

[tight basin]

another js issue lmao

[lavish trail]

I did it with hollow knight and I'll do it with this game eventually

it'll just take me longer than it takes the average player lol

[proper furnace]

or just get a good build so that best defense is attack

[tight basin]

sounds like beo talk

[lavish trail]

yeah once I get the rewards up to 20 heat for the shield I'm gonna start working for 32 heat and I feel like that's proibably the easiest 32 heat run

Beowulf with charged shot seems like a free win

[tight basin]

dont even need charged shot lmao it's just a beo moment

[lavish trail]

just for reference, here's my 32 heat fists clear https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1007100812511694930/unknown.png?width=820&height=460

that's the pact i ran

[tight basin]

if you took td3 you could've dropped JS and a level off of CP and you def would've made it in 20 minutes lol

[lavish trail]

21 minutes clear time

[tight basin]

CF kinda whatever to each their own i suppose lol

[proper furnace]

good old "cant run on 20 mins but i have pacts that makes it take longer"

[tight basin]

and then get a time that's like barely over 20 minutes

[lavish trail]

i'll adjust that then

[proper furnace]

u are good but td scary

did my discord died

[lavish trail]

I usually win in under 20 by now but the td3 is still scary to me lol

discord is like that today

[tight basin]

dw it'll send a duplicate message soon enough

[lavish trail]

i've had it randomly resend messages like 3 times today

[tight basin]

i will say that acorn might be better than collar going into hades tho

[proper furnace]

i mean is really a thing lol, look at hero champ win screen lol

td2 but sub 20

also yeah acorn gud

[tight basin]

oh also

[lavish trail]

yeah, but I like the extra 25 per DD if dad gets me

which is funny because dad rarely ever gets me

it's just a mental thing

[tight basin]

if you ran td3 on top of your current pact with the JS and CP, you would've still won with the time eating away your hp by 10 left lmao

[lavish trail]

i use acorn about 50/50

[tight basin]

if i did the math right

[proper furnace]

just learn to slap acorn as soon you touch ely

u are good but td scary

[tight basin]

there it is!

[proper furnace]

there it-

[proper furnace]

or tooth if bull scary-other things if you have the confidence

[lavish trail]

there it is

uh oh i have a duplicate incoming now too

[tight basin]

lmfao

[lavish trail]

collar gives more hp than tooth though

there it is

50 for original life + 25 x 3 = 125 > 100

[tight basin]

when you revive you also get some iframes iirc

[proper furnace]

sd mentality

[lavish trail]

i don't even know what that means lol

[proper furnace]

stubborn defiance

[lavish trail]

Yeah I know it means stubborn defiance but I don't know why that mentality applies

[proper furnace]

only 1 revive per room

bull can easily kill you

safety net (and also can be applied on aspho cuz lernie also scary)

[lavish trail]

ooohh

I was thinking about styx and dad fight

not elysium

[proper furnace]

i think i tried some tooth on styx plays while doing the 45 em4 attempts

didnt end well and just used acorn

[lavish trail]

what makes lernie scary? do people have heightened security on?

[proper furnace]

at some point yes

[tight basin]

head slams suck

[proper furnace]

and they hit hard in general (specially if blue head)

[lavish trail]

brother 45 heat is completely incomprehensible to me

wait

there's a difference in head colors

[tight basin]

yes

[proper furnace]

ye

pink = projectiles, green = eggs, orange = lava(?), blue = slams

[lavish trail]

how am i just now seeing this

[strange lark]

took me a while to realize too

[lavish trail]

WHOA

I HAD NO CLUE

[proper furnace]

the small heads also cant be the same color as the main iirc

[lavish trail]

lmfao

[tight basin]

zag makes a comment on it at some point when it first happens

[proper furnace]

and honestly i also never noticed lmao

just assumed it had a lot of moves

[tight basin]

imagine not listening to the dialogue and seeing it changed colors

[lavish trail]

oh i play with the game volume only loud enough to hear where respawns are coming from directionally

I usually have music on or something

the in game music is great but it gets old

i know it changes colors

[proper furnace]

funny thing is that i realize asap what dialogue it starts to happen on new files

[lavish trail]

i remember that dialogue

but I never noticed a correlation to attack patterns

[proper furnace]

i think the detail i never noticed was the big chariots also make noises lol

thought it was only on flame wheels

[twin cloak]

where is asterius and theseus' variant smh

there are multiple furies and hydra head color

[proper furnace]

they get their bro-ship attacks after their fight arc

well attack, i keep forgetting the yeet is from the start

[twin cloak]

wait

[lavish trail]

how am i just now seeing this

[twin cloak]

is htat the one where asterius runs into theseus and creats the shockwave

[tight basin]

yes

[proper furnace]

yeah

thats only after their fight

[tight basin]

isnt there also bull launching theseus

[lavish trail]

Yeah they argue a bunch and then make up and get that new attack

[tight basin]

or am i crazy

[proper furnace]

thats from the start

can see it even on fresh file

[tight basin]

oh huh i hardly ever see that move happen

[proper furnace]

but i also thought it was added after that

[lavish trail]

i havent played without EM3 on for so long I literally don't remember what attack you're talking about

[tight basin]

i've only seen it like once or twice so i assumed it was after the friendship arc

[strange lark]

theres also the move where theseus steals all your boons

and as you damage him you gain your boons back

[proper furnace]

bull kneels, Theseus walks up to him then Asterius yeets him towards you

fancy spear throw basically

[twin cloak]

sometimes if you damage him fast enough you can skip the phase

[lavish trail]

wait WHAT

that's not real

you have to be messing with me

[strange lark]

thats true

[tight basin]

em3.5 moment

[lavish trail]

dammit

[proper furnace]

is a 65 heat only move

[lavish trail]

brain dead moment

[twin cloak]

asterius also has the move where he goes through a portal and makes you do some platforming to get back to him

[strange lark]

theres also a pact called artifact of swarms which doubles the amount of enemies including bosses

and artifact of honor which gives all enemies bp buffs

[twin cloak]

there's the artifact of sacrifice pact that removes room rewards and lets enemies drop room rewards instead

it's definitely worth way less than 2 heat but whatever

[lavish trail]

i love the tiny vermin fight

especially with ME

especially with the fists because of the visual where you're just punching the ever living ||[redacted]|| out of a little rat

[proper furnace]

Tony fight fun

[random relic]

isnt there also a move where he drinks a weird blue thing made out of cells and turns nearly invincible

[fresh rover]

anyone got suggestion for a non-lightning eris rail build?

[strange lark]

ares attack athena special athena dash merciful end

[proper furnace]

drunk rail

[fresh rover]

lol i feel like ME can run on so many things

hm how come it's not athena attack areas special for rail? cuz the attack doesn't aoe so wouldn't it be annoying to apply doom to everyone using attack and then special to activate?

[proper furnace]

you use divine dash to proc ME

safe as fists/sword

also flat dmg on big special (and % on your 10 dmg pellets)

[fresh rover]

ah ok ic, so you apply doom and then dash around them basically?

[tight basin]

Yeah

Same concept as any other melee weapon basically

But with gun

[proper furnace]

and free rare rd

[fresh rover]

rd?

[tight basin]

Rush delivery

[proper furnace]

bonus dmg based on move speed (from hermes)

[fresh rover]

o wdym free?

[proper furnace]

eris buff at max lvl is 75%

normally you pair rd with hyper sprint (+100% move speed after dashing) and rare rd converts 75% of your move speed into dmg

so hs + rare rd = 75% global dmg which equals to eris buff

[fresh rover]

ah ic

[soft kiln]

what are the definitive fiery aspects? i know it's supposed to be preferred but every time i think about it i'm like...fists is a lot of hits, rama does special before big damage, etc.

just always a reason why i think it's not as good but that can't be right

[plain river]

Tbh I think most of the bows

Fiery lets your first hit deal more damage

So smaller enemies taking said more damage to die instantly

Is pretty sweet

[soft kiln]

i guess spear wants it too

sword?

[plain river]

Tbh

Idk

Idk about fiery presence I don’t use it often I don’t hear it mentioned often

[tight basin]

i generally take fiery presence if the purpose of the aspect is to 1 shot enemies

or like chunky aspects

if an aspect relies on a lot of hits to deal damage, i prefer shadow

[random relic]

on rama either is fine, shadow will hit stuff occasionally but you can use fiery to kill stuff without tagging it first (like in tart and aspho)

[plain river]

Bows are chunky or is my brain short circuiting

hestia chunky

[tight basin]

i'd say bows are considered chunky enough for fiery but either one is fine for that

[random relic]

you take fiery on all swords (shadow is fine on arthur), all spears (except achilles i think?), all shields (shadow is fine if playing zag/chaos i think), all bows (shadow is fine on rama or on chiron if youre taking dc (you shouldnt be taking dc on chiron)), i think you take shadow on all fists, and you take fiery on all rails

so fiery for the most part but there are a few exceptions

maybe you actually take fiery on gilga idk

[soft kiln]

fiery on eris? are you just waiting for the bomb to hit before attacking?

[tight basin]

why fiery on swords? do you lead with special generally or is the dash atk actually good damage

[random relic]

nah you can special before they spawn in

or you just hope it hits stuff first

or you take rocket bomb which will always hit stuff first

hence why rocket bomb good

even if you have dc on you still take fiery on eris and just hope the special hits stuff first lmao

you just dont get any value out of taking shadow on eris because the special cant backstab

and your attack does like no damage

[soft kiln]

why not achilles?

[random relic]

on achilles you use your special to go behind enemies and backstab them

iirc

[lucid oar]

Achilles already handles tart super fast

Backstab damage is really nice for bosses

[proper furnace]

Fists also use fiery

One shot some tart things with dash upper

[plain river]

Was prepared to reroll for rd only for purple rd to show up immediately

This run is blessed

[dreamy prism]

any run with purple RD is inherently cheat engine

[lavish trail]

beowulf build and no mirage shot 😦

I made a horrible mistake earlier too

• get to chaos
• "for next for encounters, each time you cast, -4 <3"
• "afterward, gain +1 cast"
• eh it's tartarus I can handle it
• two rooms later fury sisters
• no upgrade on base attack
• fighting all 3 furies doing 40 damage an attack
  -lose 2 dd because I was not prepared to play defensively
  and now here I am in styx with 1 dd left and lucky tooth with no way to possibly get mirage shot

[soft kiln]

So I'm about to kill Alecto on a hestia run. I have tidal dash pos call aphro cast Zeus special no attack yet

[lavish trail]

shackle hestia best hestia

[soft kiln]

Do I just go shackle and purge aphro cast hoping for sea storm? Or do I go Zeus keepsake and just roll with low attack for now

[valid dagger]

Take Shackle and purge the Special too while you're at it

[soft kiln]

So don't bother trying for sea storm at all

[valid dagger]

It's not gonna do much

Try to get Aphro on Special

And a high rarity Aphro on the attack

so you can take off shackle

If you see poseidon look for breaking wave or shoals

[lavish trail]

i hit 32 heat with a hestia shackle. It's a truly incredible aspect and buff, especially once you get some chaos boosts and charon buffs on it

[soft kiln]

I have a dash strike chaos already

[valid dagger]

If you see Zeus take cast/billowing/vengeance/reflexes

That's nice

You could gamble by taking Aphro's keepsake

But Shackle is overall better

[plain river]

💪💪💪

[lavish trail]

op

oops

I was trying a 32 heat sword run

and it was going super well

then i realized I was building for nemesis

and I was running poseidon

on accident

[proper furnace]

Still a sword

[lavish trail]

and my damage scaling fell apart completely mid-elysium

[proper furnace]

Oh

[lavish trail]

I was doing really well

but I ran out of time during the bullfight

[proper furnace]

How good were the hammers?

[lavish trail]

terrible hammers. Breaching and I forget the other one

I couldve survived but TD3 got me

i just wasnt doing enough damage to get through it in time

[soft kiln]

nemesis with arty attack, slicing shot, hunting blades, athena dash (i just sold zeus' aid)

do i go 5 god special and put on aphro keepsake for asphodel or do i go athena keepsake and try and get deadly reversal

i have double edge too if that matters

[tight basin]

I'd just do deadly reversal at this point tbh

Forcing 5 can be a bit messy with duos

Taking aphro special would open up parting shot which is largely useless

[random relic]

divine dash opens parting shot?

weird

anyways tbh i think aphro special and looking for heart rend/smair is fine tbh

a bit wacky but deadly reversal needs another core in addition to athena dash

which is annoying

[valid dagger]

On Nem you can Deadly reversal with Special only

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/1008285764007776317/IMG_1281.png

This is basically a perfect build

[dense basin]

On high heats Hunter Dash seems too risky for me

[leaden glen]

TFW I’m running a ares cast build, and the last thing I get offered is hunting blades or vicious cycle

Not sure which to choose

[proper furnace]

Hunting

Makes them actually usable

[leaden glen]

I ended up doing that

I was still shredding before that tho

Mostly bc mirage shot

[soft kiln]

isn't it the same number of cores to get heart rend? since i need aphro special then heart rend?

[steep socket]

is the arrow support from artemis boon can deal critical damage

[soft kiln]

support fire only crits if you have pressure points as far as i know

or hunter's mark triggered

is lightning rod worth leaving the cast crystals out for if i have hunting blades?

i'm honestly not sure what does more damage

[strange lark]

probably not

[soft kiln]

lightning rod probably isnt' worth leaving out?

[strange lark]

yeah

[soft kiln]

does it matter that i have 96 damage jolt?

[strange lark]

nah

[soft kiln]

huh maybe i should have taken epic pressure points then

does every tick of slicing shot trigger support fire?

or is it only the initial cast

[strange lark]

only the initial cast

[soft kiln]

would gy like epic swift flourish (i have charged skewer aphro special) or should i reroll to find RD requirements?

i took the swift flourish and holy crap

[dreamy prism]

very much so

I would take even a common swift flourish on gy tbh, gy is a very heavy +% special based aspect so RD isn't as important on it

[proper furnace]

Also purple flourish is fun

[lavish trail]

im practicing FO for higher heat runs and man the difference between Fo and FO2 for dad fight is huge

I'm using beowulf and can barely keep up with him in FO2

[dreamy prism]

yeah FO2 dad is horrifying

[lavish trail]

just imagining someone playing FO2-EM4 and it sounds like a nighmare

[dreamy prism]

I've always been super partial to demeter for high heat because she can revert dad back to FO0

[lavish trail]

yeah my 32 heat fists was demeter

only had fo1 tho

[dreamy prism]

oh meant dem the god lol

[lavish trail]

ohhh

[dreamy prism]

full chill FO2 = FO0

[lavish trail]

i assumed you meant with move and attack speed lol

[strange lark]

demeter fists also reduce enemy movement speed by 40%

[dreamy prism]

lol

[lavish trail]

i have no idea how to play demeter builds, she doesn't have any obviously good combos that I can figure how to use

I just try to build toward her legendary when i have her

[dreamy prism]

she's strongest in non mirage cast built supplementing

due to snow burst, ravenous will, and providing a strong status for PS

one of my favorite dem builds is beo, force aphro for passion flare then dem for snow burst

and bam you got yourself a high heat machine

[strange lark]

i beat 62 heat with that

[dreamy prism]

I beat 64 heat with that

[strange lark]

😱

[dreamy prism]

yeah sorry for being built different

[lavish trail]

okay so you guys are like

GOOD good at this game

jfc

[dreamy prism]

no

[strange lark]

im not even kidding my 51 heat unmodded unseeded PC shield of chaos aspect of zeus wr just got verified

[dreamy prism]

wasn't that the gameguardian run

[strange lark]

yes

i mean no

[dreamy prism]

oh you mean no

ok nevermind

[strange lark]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1008445134901350511/unknown.png

lfg

im the only person to submit a run in this cat

[lavish trail]

what is happening to mne

I got all the way through tartarus and asphodel without a single Chaos portal??????

is that even possible?

[strange lark]

yes

[twin cloak]

yeah

[lavish trail]

there has to be one in a corner i missed the audio queue for something

bad luck brothers

I'm out here trying to get an extra bloodstone

[acoustic vale]

Lmao I go entire runs without seeing chaos sometimes

[twin cloak]

ap2 chaos always gives me some maimed or flayed bs so i just don't use them now

xd

[lavish trail]

im fine with flayed because I'm on beo

that's why i want that bloodstone

you run shackle for ap2, right? or do you play seeded?

i can't imagine a high heat run with ap2

[strange lark]

yeah you usually use shackle for ap2 and swap it out once you get some good boons

at super high heats you can either play modded or reset a bunch in unmodded

since some weapons cant do shackle

[random relic]

^^ fo2 regular dad harder than em4 fo0 dad

[twin cloak]

fo0 dad is impossible

keep dodging too early

[strange lark]

fo2 dad is normal dad to me

and yeah fo0 is too slow

[lavish trail]

dammit dude

I really wanted literally any cast upgrade this run

I'm on beo

and i'm trying that Aphrodite-demeter strat

but I have had such bad rng

my cast is common level 7, which is fine, but no damage upgrades, no extra bloodstones, nothign

not even the classic "weak foes are more susceptible to damage"

[dreamy prism]

as long as you get privileged status up that's a good run

[lavish trail]

uh guess what I forgot to do before I started

[dreamy prism]

lol

well FF is good too

[lavish trail]

im just used to instaphasing on beo with mirage shot

my survivability is nuts right now tbf

just rinsed FO2 clown and bull

[random relic]

beo the wulf moment

[lavish trail]

oh hell yes lmao

I just used an anvil in styx because my hammers werer terrible and got charged shot

[fresh rover]

fml i feel like when i use beowolf i take a ton of dmg, is there a way to mitigate that? also i'm not using the special on it, literally just dragon rushing always. i try to dash strike too but usually i dragon rush, dash away, and then by the time i can get in range of the enemy i might as well just dragon rush at them again

[lavish trail]

just remember you're using a shield

focus on blocking

[strange lark]

use your bullrush for iframes

[lavish trail]

it took me some time to get used to, but you can load your cast in at the same time youre charging your bull rush

[strange lark]

and also theres a bug where when your casts are exploding you lose your dash iframes

[fresh rover]

does dragon rush not givey ou iframes or smth?

[strange lark]

it does

[lavish trail]

so the pattern is start charging-load casts- release

[tight basin]

Don't bother with the special anyways

[twin cloak]

usually the strat with beo is kill them before they kill you

[random relic]

yeah

[lavish trail]

try to bull rush back to your bloodstones too instead of dashing around for them

[random relic]

just dont load casts after you release

that can be bad

[fresh rover]

oh isn't this slower tho?

[lavish trail]

yeah it can be, but if youre bad at dodging it can be safer

[random relic]

i would not say to bullrush towards your casts

its better to just get back to the casts quickly, especially since you get iframes while dashing

[lavish trail]

yeah youre right that wont work in most common rooms

I like to do that with hades because I'm on FO2 and his attacks come extremely fast and I can usually rush through him to get them

but besides a context like that, I agree it's not worth it

[fresh rover]

so do you dash strike a lot too or is the attack pattern for beowolf literally just dragon rush everywher

[tight basin]

Dash strike to start the dragon rush

And if you're waiting for your casts you can dash strike or bull rush around a bit if you want

[random relic]

you dash strike -> load casts -> charge bullrush -> release -> repeat

[twin cloak]

speical only beo op just pick up charged flight and win

[tight basin]

Based

[random relic]

[fresh rover]

hrmm ok that's mostly what i'm doing but i still get hit a lot. >.> picking up the stones is tricky cuz it usually lands in a giant clump of enemies

[tight basin]

Tmw dash strikes don't kill tart witches unless you have hc active

[random relic]

ugh dont remind me

you take a chaos gate and suddenly everythings a pain in the ass

[tight basin]

Flood flare has a really large aoe and can hit behind walls so if you're worried about that you can aim a bit to the side of them

Lmao yeah

[strange lark]

dont get witches then

[tight basin]

True

[iron barn]

shouldnt ruthless reflex be technically feasible if you get greater reflex in tart midshop

for speedrunning

since +50% is huge

[tight basin]

There's no way to guarantee that in Tartarus

and hyper delivery is probably better than that bonus

i think anyways

but i know for sure that you can't always rely on hermes, especially for a hermes tartarus

[iron barn]

reset 800 times 😃👍

[tight basin]

i feel like that would normally not be an issue but thing is you'd have to actually play a bit until you reach the midshop and then even if you do see hermes GR isn't guaranteed

even if you reroll once

[random relic]

no for the reasons bananas stated lol

resetting for early +dashes means a lot more tart resets which is not something you want

and it also locks you out of rd which can just be straight up better

[iron barn]

obviously the workaround is to play lambent plume 🥰

[random relic]

and early tart is slowed by not having 2 dashes

[tight basin]

wait what you can't get RD if you have GR?

[iron barn]

i am extremely intelligent and supergiant games should hire me

[random relic]

ah yes, and then have dry rd

[tight basin]

or is it just because you have to wait till styx

[random relic]

yeah this

[tight basin]

ah makes sense

[random relic]

gerting rd just before dad is a bit sad

[tight basin]

at least it'll be a fast dad fight lol

but yeah ideally you'd want hyper rd for like latest ely

[random relic]

yeah rd in ely is really nice

[iron barn]

does support fire charge your call to any significant extent

[random relic]

yes, like most low damage fast hitting things

[valid dagger]

It’s one of the best boons at doing it if you pair it with a rapid firing weapon to proc it repeatedly

[iron barn]

like how much though

[fresh rover]

hrm i just got a summon and i don't get how they work. i tried using it during hades fight and it just said "summon isn't ready yet" ?

[tight basin]

depending on the summon you can't use it against dad until a later plot point

[fresh rover]

ohh wtf lol

what about other bosses?

[tight basin]

they work fine except meg on furies

because yaknow

[fresh rover]

ahh ok

[tight basin]

you're asking employees to attack their boss

[fresh rover]

heh fair

damn i already "beat" the game tho, guess i still have some plot to uncover (no spoilers pls)

[tight basin]

what companion did you get btw?

[fresh rover]

thanatos

[tight basin]

nice

[fresh rover]

cuz yano, i prioritize getting into his pants first :3

[tight basin]

lmfao fair enough

do you want to know how exactly you can use summons on dad or do you want to figure that out yourself

[fresh rover]

if it reveals itself naturally like the rest of the game has so far (aka talking to ppl and escaping, etc) then i'd rather find out myself

[tight basin]

fair enough

[fresh rover]

if i have to do some weird stuff that i wouldn't think of i prefer to be told

[tight basin]

it does reveal itself naturally when you play more, nothing weird or fancy

i mean everything in the game can be revealed naturally if you just play the game long enough

hidden aspects can be a pain in the ass to figure out but tbh i think the community asks a lot of questions how to unlock them because they want to find out the hidden stuff as soon as possible

[fresh rover]

yeah i rly like that actually. some games you gotta do some secret combo of things, like go to this area, unlock smth, etc that i would basically nvr do

this game as long as i talk to everyone and generally dole out nectars it seems like that's all that's required to progress the plot

[tight basin]

pretty much yeah

[fresh rover]

the hidden aspects seem to have revealed themselves pretty naturally to me... i'm not sure how i got rama bow tho, artemis just randomly told me during one of my runs

which was pretty unexpected

[tight basin]

exactly lmao hidden aspects just reveal themselves naturally if you play the game

the community asks a lot of questions about it because they want it as soon as possible

[fresh rover]

haha yeah that's fair. that's been one of the bigger joys of playing hades for me so far tho, getting surprised by all the cool things the devs have stuffed into the game

[tight basin]

yeah lmao

"oh i got a waking phrase? very cool"

[fresh rover]

hm i am slightly concerned one of the conditions for triggering plot is "escape x times in a row" tho >.>

i kinda wanna try hestia rail but it looks too hard

[tight basin]

hesty isn't too bad tbh, but if you dont like hesty just pick an aspect you're very comfortable with and run with it

hesty is still objectively one of the safest aspects, but at the same time if you're having trouble using it then don't use it and use something more comfortable. you're more likely to clear with something you're comfortable with than something new (unless you want to put in the time to learn in)

[fresh rover]

yeah if i wanted to just clear i would choose smth else, but it only matters if i have to have a streak of some sort. if i don't then i'd rather just try new stuff and experiment

why's hestia the safest?

[tight basin]

the whole gimmick is 1 empowered shot after you reload, so that's all you're using for your dps

[dreamy prism]

it's basically the longest range aspect

[tight basin]

^

more range, very good damage at that range

although you need to put in some titan blood into it because base level is kinda doodoo iirc

[fresh rover]

oh bummer

[tight basin]

(50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150)

[fresh rover]

so is the point to reload after every shot?

[tight basin]

yes

slap aphrodite atk or even shackle on it and then that's all you need

[fresh rover]

why aphro? for the %dmg?

[tight basin]

also what makes it safe is that unless you have something that gives you more dash strike damage, you can fully utilize dash iframes

[tight basin]

yeah

for lvl 3, a base damage of 100 is a lot tbh

[fresh rover]

wdym?

bc you aren't dash striking?

[tight basin]

dash strikes and normal attacks on hestia do the same damage so there's no point in dash striking

unless you have like hunter's dash

or a chaos effect

ofc you're free to dash strike tho

just pray you dont get common aphro atk but it's not the worst thing in the world

[fresh rover]

o ic

also what's shackle

[tight basin]

keepsake

sisyphus' keepsake, should be bottom left corner of the keepsake box thing

gives you a % bonus if no boons are effecting your atk, special, and cast

50/75/100 % depending on the level iirc

shackle is immensely strong on weapons that have a high base damage in a single hit such as arthur or hestia

maybe rama tbh

[fresh rover]

ohh interesting, totally forgot about it cuz i usually always have smth

so if i have aphro attack does the special still do 100% dmg

[tight basin]

i mean shackle is extremely situational and generally not recommended for low heat stuff because you have poms and stuff to easily cover you

[tight basin]

yes

[fresh rover]

icic

[tight basin]

it's probably better to not use shackle tho because you can easily pom it to over 100% damage probably

also aphrodite weak is very useful for damage reduction on an already safe aspect

[fresh rover]

how come it can be used for high heat? are ppl not getting boons on their stuff in higher heat? 🤔

[tight basin]

mainly approval process being a pain lol

[random relic]

not really approval process

it has more to do with routine inspection

if you do shackle you dont have to rarity reset for epic attack

although it has uses outside of that

[fresh rover]

oh yeah i was also gonna ask, what's the best low heat set up? i currently prio extreme measures but i'm on 2 heat atm for most weapons and can't do em2 cuz it'll overshoot. i usually just put it in jury summons cuz it seems like that's the easiest to overcome but the extra time it takes is pretty annoying lol

[proper furnace]

ap is one of the reasons

[random relic]

jury summons isnt that good

[random relic]

oh wait i didnt really say that right lmao

[proper furnace]

seeing your core being blocked aint fun but i shouldnt be the one talking about it

cuz modded

[random relic]

yeah if you are doing unmodded especially you just do like shackle ap1 lmao

ap2 shackle sucks because you get stuck with a useless attack a lot of the time

ap2 just kinda sucks unmodded lmao

still sucks modded but at least you leave c1

[fresh rover]

what to put the second point in then ?

[random relic]

easy heats are:
extreme measures 1-2
middle management
underworld customs
benefits package 1
tight deadline 1-2

tight deadline 3 if you can go that fast

[strange lark]

What

I don't do that

[random relic]

bruh do you do ap2

[strange lark]

Yes

[random relic]

i mean ig just dont get attack boon

[fresh rover]

if i fail the tight deadline i just insta die?

[random relic]

no

you take 5 damage per second

[strange lark]

Why

[random relic]

because its shackle

but considering how much i ap2 into attack replace i feel like ap2ing into an attack boon has to be even easier

[strange lark]

Nah I'd rather get an attack boon and then take a defensive keepsake

[random relic]

but on like hestia most of them suck

what if you get like dio, ares, zeus, poseidon

[strange lark]

Just don't

[random relic]

oh ez

sorry im a fan of midrolling for heat lmao

ap2 shackle strats doesnt sound fun

[strange lark]

It's fine

[random relic]

sounds like a weirdly annoying highroll

[strange lark]

I'd rather do the em4/ri3 strat over AP2 tho

[random relic]

yeah if i was doing unmodded same lmao

[tight basin]

36, 28, or 20 minute runs for td1, 2, and 3 respectively

36 should be doable for everyone imo

but yeah 5 hp per second

[fresh rover]

ohh i thought the pact meant you have to finish each section in 9 min

like if for some reason elysium takes me 10 min as long as i finished the other two quickly then it's fine ?

[proper furnace]

yeah timer carries over between biomes

[fresh rover]

oh that's way more doable for me then nice

[tight basin]

9 minutes each biome isn't terrible tbh but sometimes you do get terrible rooms but since time carries over and aspho is pretty short then it's not too bad

Just don't get 5 sacked lol

[fresh rover]

5 sacked?

[lucid oar]

It’s when you see the satyr sack on the last tunnel

[tight basin]

One of the worst feelings in the game whether or not you're on TD, speedrunning, or casually playing