Yeah athena is comfy
#h1-builds-and-combat
lavish trail
Yeah I like the hermes legendary when I ca nget it
lavish trail
aphro is so close range though
dreamy prism
parting shot gaming?
lavish trail
unless you get the upgrade
I usually dont go for parting shot unless I have 3 dashes
valid dagger
Might be close range but it's good damage and Weak is survivability
lavish trail
yeah
valid dagger
Athena Special > Divine Dash on sword
lavish trail
I'm gonna go aph cast, hope I can upgrade it for range and then force athena asphodel
what are dr and hr
lavish trail
Oh cool, I'm not playing nemesis rn so I don't need to try to figure that out lmao
for poseidon would you do dash nova or double nova for hammer?
i also have cruel thrust but I'm focusing the special
strange lark
Double nova
valid dagger
Dash Nova is hard to control
lavish trail
yeah i usually would go double but I'm not sure whether good players would tell me that dash nova actually rocks
dreamy prism
hence why best of the novas is super nova
lavish trail
well yeah for damage im focusing my cast
dense basin
@lavish trail example how Poseidon Sword build looks like they were talking about: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1000840388002730087/20220724205846_1.jpg
dense basin
I know it's different language, but boon icons are all the same
lavish trail
I don't know the icons lol
proper furnace
If you have codex upgrade check them there
dense basin
lavish trail
I don't even know half the names, I am new to the community and only know what they do
Yeah I'll check and compare later
balmy echo
is lucifer good with attack on artemis?
lone jetty
It’s not super
random relic
zeus attack is way better
balmy echo
zeus attack is way better
kk
iron barn
whats the optimal attack cycle for spear? (not achilles cast build)
attack cycle as in: special -> dash strikes -> repeat for sword
iron barn
wait so no standing attacks?
strange lark
no
iron barn
what about flurry jab
strange lark
its like the same thing
strange lark
with flurry jab after your dash strike you will always do a standing strike
so it doesnt matter
iron barn
oh
strange lark
just spam dash strike
iron barn
it doesnt do that much damage though
strange lark
yes it does
iron barn
LMAO people always complain about bad hidden aspect rng and im on a fresh file after like 15 runs, 2 runs after unlocking aspects at all and got guan yu waking phrase
iron barn
is jolted good if your only lightning is lightning reflexes
proper furnace
I like it
dreamy prism
is jolted good if your only lightning is lightning reflexes
yeah
that's one of the best non zeus spam uses of zeus
alongside of course call and billowing
iron barn
neat ok
thick vine
If I'm running talos fists, which two gods have the best effects combined? I was thinking Dionysus attack with ares special
Trying to get privilege status and just put out damage fast
proper furnace
If you want their duo use curse of vengeance
Doesnt steal a core and still opens the duo
dreamy prism
but special ares is fine too
in general fists prefer zeus attack though, or ares for ME
proper furnace
Eh any of the 3 flat dmg sources
thick vine
I figured Dionysus to stack the effect as fast as possible, I would choose Zeus but it wouldn't give me the bonus to get privilege status
proper furnace
Tho if is not high heat ME/zeus can probably shine over drunk fists
If you are going zeus dont use priv status
thick vine
Yeah of course lol
iron barn
is splitting bolt worth it if you only have lightning reflexes and stygian cast 😅
random relic
that's one of the best non zeus spam uses of zeus
also vengeance
iron barn
why is rarity scaling on second wind so negligible lmao
dense basin
How does Explosive Return (shield upgrade) works? Does the explosion happens only when shield is back to Zagreus or everytime it hits enemies when returning?
lavish trail
its a simple aoe around zag whan he catches it
iron barn
when you catch it
dense basin
So is it really worth it for Zeus aspect?
plain river
If I'm running talos fists, which two gods have the best effects combined? I was...
I would do dionysus attack, aphrodite special and ares curse of vengeance
dense basin
It’s one of zeus’s best hammers iirc
Additional 50 dmg is always nice 🙂
Is it big aoe?
strange lark
Very big
plain river
I think it provokes special boons but maybe I’m wrong
proper furnace
Yeah
lone jetty
It does whatever is on your special. Procs Thunder, applies doom, etc. the 50 base damage also increases with special percentage boosts. It weirdly can’t crit though
primal steeple
what boons are good for arthur
plain river
aphrodite or artemis attack
Aphrodite is more consistent though so would recommend more
tight basin
athena also isn't bad
dreamy prism
yep big deflect good
iron barn
athena attack pairs nicely with the holy ground since it slows projectiles
you can sweep the entire area and deflect like 8000 "trapped" projectiles at the same time
tender latch
Artemis + aphrodite is nice for Arthur
Doom and other dot effects don't really help a ton when your swings do so much already
plain river
flat damage bad on slow heavy attack weapons
just take percentages that aren't poseidon and you're good
tender latch
^
plain river
Is purple attack speed from hermes a good option on rama or should I reroll
Otherwise I get +1 dash or purple quick recovery
I think reroll because for some reason my brain tells me attack speed won’t affect dash strikes
tight basin
do atk speeds even effect bow that much because i can never tell
plain river
Idk
It’s rama so I think +30% attack speed would but I don’t think that affects dash strikes
tight basin
standing rama gaming???
tbh idk what on hermes is worth picking up for rama other than rd lmao
plain river
Does it affect dash strikes yes or no?
dreamy prism
Does it affect dash strikes yes or no?
no, roll for better
in that case I'd actually take purple recovery, that boon is insanely good
dense basin
Aphro cast is strong without mirage shot
Of course if you manage to get that it's bonkers
proper furnace
If you want to highrolls there is trippy flare, which is still "meta" ig in that its decent 
Others are memes or get outclassed in dmg/aoe by the top 3
iron barn
is the single strike bonus from hades call any good or should i wait for greater call
proper furnace
Is not a single strike
Description is misleading and is refering to the speed bonus
proper furnace
Dmg stays for minor call
iron barn
so should i stick to small calls?
proper furnace
I pretty much only do minor calls at least
Somerimes full if i got hit a lot and it charges up on its own
lucid prairie
Can you get two of the same Chaos buff
lucid prairie
in that case I'd actually take purple recovery, that boon is insanely good
any quick recovery is good imo
proper furnace
Can you get two of the same Chaos buff
Yeah
lucid prairie
wait
i can get double flourish on chiron
please oh please get lucky
I GOT ANOTHER FLOURISH ON EPIC YIPPEEEEE
proper furnace
Gaming
plain river
Can you get two of the same Chaos buff
proper furnace
I think it did scale with rarity before lmao
plain river
it should be 1 2 3
It should be 1, 1.5, 2
iron barn
I think it did scale with rarity before lmao
tfw fully loaded from a rare chaos boon
proper furnace
It should be 1, 1.5, 2
Cursed
iron barn
It should be 1, 1.5, 2
its like mirage shot but just the weaker one
proper furnace
So 2 rares = 1 actual stone?
iron barn
does having more prereqs for a boon make it more likely
other than the increased chance solely from there being less boons available in total
proper furnace
Technically? Having all cores filled help a lot
As otherwise you will always get offered 1
iron barn
so not really
proper furnace
Yeah is not an increase directly to the duo being offered
But you clear 1 boon selection
plain river
Honestly it could worsen your chances if the other prerequisite you picked up opens 1 or more other boons
iron barn
should i play lvl 1 hestia like a slightly stronger zag rail
with the manual reloads of course
random relic
just dont play level 1 hestia
lucid prairie
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1005997973802590379/IM...
IT SHOULD’VE BEEN ME
plain river
should i play lvl 1 hestia like a slightly stronger zag rail
I play zag rail and hestia the same way
Except for hestia I don’t really go out of my way to grab spread fire
plain river
?
Either use shackle, or artemis and aphrodite on attack or special
zeus attack? Never heard of it
Spreadfire yes please
random relic
yeah but hestia plays differently to zag rail lol
plain river
🤔
I should’ve used “build” instead of “play” in that sentence
I build zag rail and hestia almost the same way
plain river
Well
If I’m not using shackle
I’ll probably put artemis and aphrodite on attack and special (in either order)
Try to grab spreadfire on zag if no rocket bomb or cluster bomb and try to get clockets on hestia
Since there aren’t really good attack hammers for hestia
Since I have a 2/3 chance to upgrade my tidal dash rarity from rare to epic should I take it? Or should I grab nectar?
if it doesn’t upgrade tidal dash rarity it’ll upgrade common hs to rare hs and purple snow burst to heroic snow burst
lucid oar
Nectar
lucid oar
Since there aren’t really good attack hammers for hestia
Ricochet, piercing
wary adder
is the way to play hestia just reloading after every shot
lucid oar
At a basic level, yeah
plain river
On rama, already have twin shot: repulse shot, relentless volley, or chain shot?
I believe the choice is chain shot but want to double check
lucid oar
Yeah
lone jetty
Yeah Repulse is worthless
random relic
get relentless for special only rama
dreamy prism
get relentless for special only rama
special only rama is unarguably
iron barn
special only rama is one of the builds of all time
lucid prairie
Isn’t relentless volley good regardless with Rama
Also is aim assist good
as Chiron (I imagine its usefulness varies between bows)
plain river
I can’t see myself picking up relentless volley on anything other then chiron
lucid prairie
I meant with Rama btw
strange lark
Isn’t relentless volley good regardless with Rama
no
lucid prairie
Since regular bow special isn’t exactly… usable
valid dagger
It's not good
lucid prairie
So Rama special is straight up bad?
lucid prairie
oh
strange lark
you put something like zeus or dio on special
lucid prairie
I thought you could get Zeus to make it better
lucid prairie
you put something like zeus or dio on special
Yeah
dreamy prism
if you wanna special only rama then relentless is good
lucid prairie
⁉️⁉️
strange lark
lightning has a cooldown
valid dagger
Internal cooldowns are a thing
lucid prairie
Internal cooldowns are a thing
I was not actually aware that lightning had one
valid dagger
It has to have one
lucid prairie
I was wondering why Zeus special Chiron wasn’t working like I thought it would
valid dagger
Yea a lot of people fall for that
strange lark
i didnt 😎
valid dagger
If it worked that way it would be incredibly strong
dreamy prism
rip the chiron dream
valid dagger
Lightning would also be stronger with a lot of other things
So it's just unbalanced
Lightning already scales so hard with more Zeus boons like Jolted and Double Strike
plain river
Relentless volley on rama would only be somewhat good with dionysus special
dreamy prism
does hermes swift strike ever make zeus lucy exceed cooldown
valid dagger
does hermes swift strike ever make zeus lucy exceed cooldown
test it
dreamy prism
smh you're the one with codex mod
plain river
Flurry fire heroic swift strike zag rail
valid dagger
The other thing with Relentless Volley on Rama is that Rama has so many strong hammers
dreamy prism
sniper shot built different
strange lark
triple sniper 
dreamy prism
repulse point blank
tight basin
I was wondering why Zeus special Chiron wasn’t working like I thought it would
obligatory thunder flourish meme
plain river
Does piercing wave work with double edge?
strange lark
only shoots one wave if thats what youre wondering
strange lark
🗿
plain river
Piercing wave good though anyways right
lucid prairie
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1001949371232948254/...
Did you just make this or was this something you had prepared
tight basin
i've sent it here a few times lmao
strange lark
Piercing wave good though anyways right
yeah
tight basin
if it worked properly then chiron would actually be viable at high heat because you'd get some aoe with it
and also better single target damage
tight basin
not to mention an easy smair lead up and relentless volley being even better on it
lucid prairie
- the one that makes lightning effects occur twice sometimes
tight basin
yep
lucid prairie
I can’t imagine Chiron with good aoe
I wouldn’t run out of time in tart any longer
tight basin
i mean it's relatively small aoe i think even with high voltage (pretty sure that's the name) but it would help a lot, especially if you have jury summons active
plain river
Typhoon fury good?
tight basin
what that do
plain river
what that do
Wall slam damage % up
tight basin
isnt that basically breaking wave what's the difference
strange lark
wallslam damage doesnt do that much
plain river
breaking wave flat damage
strange lark
yeah
dreamy prism
it's inferior breaking wave
tight basin
oh makes sense
plain river
and it’s high flat damage
dreamy prism
decent cope pick but completely outclassed
tight basin
if you get both it'd probably be a lot better right
lucid prairie
i mean it's relatively small aoe i think even with high voltage (pretty sure tha...
High voltage increases bolt area by 60%+ right
Ain’t that pretty large?
strange lark
yeah its big
strange lark
if you get both it'd probably be a lot better right
its still not that great
lucid prairie
also this codex mod you speak of sounds intriguing
dreamy prism
I've heard people complain that high voltage pops dad pots unnecessarily
tight basin
oh lmao
strange lark
ive heard literally nobody complain about that
lucid prairie
If you’re not mashing brainlessly with Chiron that shouldn’t happen too much
random relic
I've heard people complain that high voltage pops dad pots unnecessarily
i like popping dad pots anyway
it means that i wont step in them later
lucid prairie
Also is aim assist good
^
tight basin
or you can step in them now so you dont have to later
dreamy prism
i like popping dad pots anyway
is that a euphemism
lucid prairie
And follow up; does aim assist lock onto:
- the clones spawned from that one BP perk
- dad’s pots
- dad’s skulls
- Theseus properly (it always seems to miss for me)
strange lark
yes
plain river
Yes
lucid prairie
For all of them? I’ve been struggling with getting it to lock onto Theseus when he’s doing his rounds of the stadium
random relic
if youre hiding behind rock during lasers or smth
lucid prairie
I’ve had a close shave with TD because of it
random relic
you get rid of pots far away from you
strange lark
For all of them? I’ve been struggling with getting it to lock onto Theseus when ...
it was a joke, auto aim just aims at whatever it wants to most of the time
random relic
so you dont step in them
lucid prairie
I was really hoping dad’s skulls/pots weren’t applicable :(
wait
does the same ring true for arte call?
random relic
I was really hoping dad’s skulls/pots weren’t applicable :(
lol yeah it loves locking on to pots
strange lark
does the same ring true for arte call?
i think they all just aim at the same target until its dead
strange lark
idk i dont use arty call
lucid prairie
I see
other than art and aphro are there any calls where the greater call version is the only useful version of it
strange lark
no
lucid prairie
gotcha
plain river
Ok but why are my shackle nem runs having so many more problems then my shackle zag sword or shackle poseidon
this doesn’t make sense
strange lark
skissue
soft cargo
any good builds for hera bow? im trying to beat game with each weapon
random relic
crush shot with snow burst is good
you want any cast+%, global+%, and +casts you can find
attack hammers are good
soft cargo
alright, what for the attack/special?
random relic
attack/special doesnt really matter
preferably artemis on attack but you never use the special
soft cargo
kk
twin cloak
True shot with mark and mirage and fully loaded 😁👍
iron barn
what exactly does pl do again
lone jetty
Personal Liability? Takes away the invulnerability you get when you take a buncha rapid hits for a big chunk of your health.
iron barn
that is literally free
tight basin
well
for low heat yeah
at higher heat you start to miss it at times when you get wombo comboed lmao
lone jetty
It’s free until it isn’t
iron barn
armored splitters 😭
tight basin
lmao
lone jetty
Yeah, armored witches or dad going swipe swipe throw dead are a bad time
plain river
Personal liability is definitely free with js1038 and fo2
iron barn
an image comes to mind of zagreus huddled in a corner getting ruthlessly beaten to death by 8 million armored numbskulls with 30 blue hearts each
lavish trail
I have Achilles and was going to go for a hunting blades build then I immediately got serrated point, do you think I could build around serrated point instead of casts and have a good build>
random relic
serrated point is a really weird hammer
but you could easily build around both
its what you normally do, anyways
plain river
Which weapon/aspect is least hammer dependent?
proper furnace
did you mean aspect
proper furnace
aspect is probably smth like zeus/arthur/beo-hera
tho also depends at what lvl you want to use them ig
plain river
I have all aspects/weapons maxxed
proper furnace
mean heat
random relic
Which weapon/aspect is least hammer dependent?
fists
breaching cross is good but it does nowhere near as much as hammers do for other weaps
tight basin
fists is least hammer dependent because all the hammers are mediocre
plain river
With charge skewer is there any reason for me to grab second hammer on guan-yu? Otherwise I’m taking chaos
proper furnace
il go for chaos too
soft kiln
is tempest strike ok for eris? like as opposed to just starting with zeus and getting tidal dash with poseidon?
soft kiln
isn't tempest strike sea storm basically lightning strike that also does poseidon stuff?
random relic
poseidon dash on eris isnt really for the knockback, its for the damage
soft kiln
yeah but don't they both do the damage and knockback? or are you just saying tidal dash base damage is really high
without zeus
random relic
base tidal dash damage is very high, especially with eris buff
knockback on attack is very annoying and requires you to get sea storm for it to work
plain river
Doesn’t sea storm have a longer internal cooldown then lightning strike or am I dumb
random relic
i dont know, maybe
random relic
poseidon dash on eris isnt really for the knockback, its for the damage
also you do actually use it for enemy grouping but thats not as relevant at low level play
plain river
I always thought that the zeus attack had lower cooldowns the lightning bolts
soft kiln
so better to just start with zeus or dio
random relic
yeah, zeus
soft kiln
with the damage bonus is artemis any good?
random relic
no
soft kiln
because the base bullet damage is too low?
random relic
yeah
its better to put flat damage on it
zeus is great because you try to get jolted
and with eris buff jolted does like 300+ damage
random relic
the point of eris is essentially to stack as many flat damage sources as you can on it because those scale really well with global damage
soft kiln
is demeter jolted any good or sort of pointless?
random relic
so eris is just like fist
more like zap fists is just worse budget eris lmao
plain river
Sea storm lets you use pstatus without hitting more then 1 button 🧠
plain river
is demeter jolted any good or sort of pointless?
Demeter (fists) attack jolted is fine
random relic
is demeter jolted any good or sort of pointless?
pointless because you reapply it so often with attack
random relic
Sea storm lets you use pstatus without hitting more then 1 button 🧠
pstatus
soft kiln
ah ok
random relic
dont listen to him
plain river
Don’t listen to me
random relic
lmao
soft kiln
that doesn't seem that bad 😦
random relic
pstatus isnt very good on eris because you dont want to have to hunt for shoals
soft kiln
that's fair. pstatus is probably good if you're starting with dio and going aphro special right?
random relic
the 15% global damage difference is also nowhere near as big as it is on other aspects because of eris' 75%
plain river
Shoals is the bestest boon ever of course I’m down to hunt for it
random relic
that's fair. pstatus is probably good if you're starting with dio and going aph...
ehh, not really
soft kiln
is common shoals worth it? i pass it a lot but i love epic
plain river
Pstatus
random relic
i never notice shoals doing any damage tbh
one of the big problems with pstatus is that you actually need to apply 2 separate status curses to the same enemy before you start getting any damage from it
vs family favorite where you always have 25%
plain river
Doesn’t seem half bad on ME you just need exposed
random relic
in almost every scenario that 15% just isnt worth it
plain river
Or like aphrodite attack dio special chiron
random relic
Doesn’t seem half bad on ME you just need exposed
oh yes, make ME builds require a 7528th specific boon lmao
random relic
Or like aphrodite attack dio special chiron
its good on that build because you always attack an enemy before you special it
random relic
and on passion flare beo its good because you hit an enemy with snow burst before your cast hits it 99% of the time
but on most builds its just an annoyance trying to keep 2 status curses up at once
or to apply them in the first place
plain river
i never notice shoals doing any damage tbh
I see it pop off every so often when I hit someone I’m not immediately focused on with a splash dash
random relic
only build it comes into effect on for me are eris and beo and things die before it procs on those lmao
plain river
Idk man I’ve seen a lot of shoals use with my dash only runs shackle runs
tender latch
How exactly does boon rarity work
A lot of different rarity stuff just doesn't seem like the boost is all that good
random relic
rarirt boosts the base value of a boon but doesnt affect how much poms do
it matters a lot on stuff like doom/aphro attack or special but not so much on something like tidal dash or arty attack
so it depends a lot on the boon if rarity matters
tender latch
I simply run artemis attack nemesis to blast fools
tawny grove
it matters a lot on stuff like doom/aphro attack or special but not so much on s...
yeah but purple dash fills me with joy
tight basin
Oh Hermes rarity is always good
He's like the only god where all the boons are great with rarity
twin cloak
Or chaos status curse
Chaos curses you ig
proper furnace
only build it comes into effect on for me are eris and beo and things die before...
Is kinda like jolted, hard to notice but is doing dmg
proper furnace
@stray maple what i mean with rip is that hangover stacks get deleted if you apply more recent ones, so if you used call then attack/dash you lose all your stacks from call
For weaker ones
stray maple
maiden quiver
If you build around Aries dash blade and hermis +1/2/3/etc dash you will get the easiest win of your life
plain river
What are good hera hammers?
Rn I have relentless volley, charged volley, and flurry shot as first hammer options and I think it might be just reset run and try for something else
Would lightning rod or mirage shot be better for hera shackle gaming
strange lark
Rn I have relentless volley, charged volley, and flurry shot as first hammer opt...
Little late but flurry shot
strange lark
Would lightning rod or mirage shot be better for hera shackle gaming
Mirage for memes
plain river
I got bored of waiting so took flurry shot
strange lark
Good
plain river
I’ll cross my fingers for poseidon then, I already have artemis zeus and dionysus in my pool though
random relic
flurry shot is the best hera hammer
a little hard to control at times but its really good
plain river
After triple bomb what hammers are good on lucifer?
random relic
targeting system, piercing fire are good
probably missing smth but thats off thw top of my head
plain river
I just found first hammer, have greater inferno(pulse damage up), triple beam, and concentrated beam(damage grows faster)
random relic
oh those all kinda suck
plain river
Yeah
random relic
uhhhhh idk triple?
plain river
Hmm
I kinda want concentrated but triple seems like a better idea
Like a far better idea
random relic
concentrated is probably a fine pick there but i dont think itd add too much damage
strange lark
Triple beam is pretty good
plain river
I mean if full mag is normally 370 then and base damage is 10 then it should be full mag = 540 damage with concentrated
But triple beam is probably a far better pick
If only hazard bomb was available on lucifer
hazard bomb luci
iron barn
you would take so much damage 😭
plain river
You only take 1% of your hazard bombs damage iirc
But yes
You would take so much damage
So would your enemies
iron barn
You only take 1% of your hazard bombs damage iirc
wait really i thought it was flat
plain river
When you get hit by your hazard bomb
You take 1% of the damage that it deals
So when your hazard bomb crits 👀 you take like 15 damage or something
plain river
So when your hazard bomb crits 👀 you take like 15 damage or something
If you’ve good +%
iron barn
also hazard bomb is slower right
iron barn
really? it feels slower
proven osprey
it is slower
plain river
Is it?
plain river
How would triple beam lucifer work with zeus attack?
Just the main beam gets lightning springing from it?
dreamy prism
Just the main beam gets lightning springing from it?
all three
so it's good for extra crowd control and applying jolted everywhere
but sadly unlike bow's triple shot you can't hit an enemy with multiple beams
plain river
Radical
dreamy prism
it's arguably the best lucy hammer after triple tbh
other contenders are targeting system and the piercing one
plain river
I paused that run and finally came back to it
I honestly don’t think concentrated would’ve been that bad because shackle would’ve loved it
But triple beam is putting in work
random relic
other contenders are targeting system and the piercing one
targeting better
targeting is really good
dreamy prism
targeting is so freaking good man
honestly not even just for true global damage, I love the slow
random relic
yeah i mean more damage on special is always good
proper furnace
it's arguably the best lucy hammer after triple tbh
I think flash fire is as good
Even just for the QoL
plain river
After how many poms should I stop poming tidal dash?
plain river
At epic thats 102 dmg iirc (lvl 5)
Likely in that ballpark
since level 3 epic is 85
On gilgamesh, out of flying cutter, explosive cutter and quake cutter I should take explosive right
proper furnace
Ye
soft kiln
does flurry jab mess up serrated point?
soft kiln
what do you mean
valid dagger
Serrated ruins Flurry Jab
If you get Flurry Jab first hammer then you dont need any other hammer and Serrated becomes harmful
If you get Serrated First hammer then you get offered Flurry Jab as second take it and try to anvil one of them
And if you can't anvil one of them you're left with Serrated essentially
soft kiln
well i started with serrated so i guess i'll just skip hammers
valid dagger
Serrated is inferior to Flurry Jab in every way so the Anvil strat isnt too shabby
plain river
You’re using achilles in this context right
soft kiln
yeah
proper furnace
Worst thing about serrated + flurry forces a standing attac after the dash strike
No matter how much you hold the button
Same issue as flurry slash
soft kiln
doesn't flurry always force a standing attack after a dash strike
i thought that's why it's good on spear
proper furnace
Is mainly the insane atk speed it offers, also no spin
Or at least thats what i think, i like Achilles but never looked much
valid dagger
Standing attacks aren't amazing anyway so you avoid them
So yea the extra strike after a dash strike is annoying
It's not what makes it good
It's what makes it risky
valid dagger
Really noticeable on high heat too
valid dagger
Dash strike
And try to limit it to that only
You wont be able to because it's super input heavy and you're gonna get standing strikes anyway but try to
soft kiln
does it do something other than cause an extra strike after a dash strike that i don't understand? because you just said that's not what makes it god
good*
valid dagger
If you try to dash strike with flurry jab you'll notice you can buffer more than just 1 hit
So you want to utilize that
bold wadi
How can I get better chance to get resource boons?
soft kiln
If you try to dash strike with flurry jab you'll notice you can buffer more than...
more than one dash strike hit? how?
plain river
Do I go tidal dash from level 9 -> 10 for funny, or ruptured level 1 -> 2 (other boon is typhoons fury)
soft kiln
maybe if you explained the physical key presses i'll understand better
are you saying like dash + tap attack twice?
proper furnace
Do I go tidal dash from level 9 -> 10 for funny, or ruptured level 1 -> 2 (other...
Funny
plain river
Dad just died
Like
His second phase 50% shield dropped and I popped a fully charged aphrodite call on him
Did it perhaps get increased by gilgamesh damage and rush delivery?
strange lark
gilgamesh yeah rush delivery i think so
proper furnace
Eris buff works for aphro call no?
strange lark
yeah
proper furnace
Then yeah, assuming you hit during hs
plain river
At epic thats 102 dmg iirc (lvl 5)
Yup, also going from level 5 -> 10 on tidal dash only adds 21 damage
Hades spear is built the same way zag spear is right
proper furnace
Yeah
plain river
Exploding charged
proper furnace
Can do serrated too ig?
soft kiln
does damage control prevent the chiron seeking effect? or will it still target even if the damage is prevented
strange lark
It will still target
tight basin
i heard dc with chiron isn't great because the initial damage is actually good is that true
strange lark
Yes
random relic
sounds like hell, would rather play t*los
soft kiln
Oh well I tried to go Chiron sea storm and never found sea storm so I died to td in elysium
tight basin
doesn't sea storm not work on chiron because of internal cooldowns
strange lark
Yeah but beeg special
soft kiln
It triggers twice per volley
And I had tidal dash so I was gonna get plenty of triggers
tender latch
i heard dc with chiron isn't great because the initial damage is actually good i...
How so-
I mean, your initial shot is decent damage sure
but you're getting most of it from the volley anyway
random relic
https://streamable.com/oeywjn @dreamy prism this is what i do for bombers (first part is the meg that you do on every weapon, second part is the way ive found to kill them quickly. it needs cshot, at least a lvl 2 common cast, and you need to have hc up)
also @strange lark this is what i was talking about the other day lol
strange lark
You said that you meg immediately so I got confused this I just the normal bombers meg 🗿
dreamy prism
https://streamable.com/oeywjn <@279126808455151628> this is what i do for bomber...
sweet thanks
random relic
You said that you meg immediately so I got confused this I just the normal bombe...
yeah well after you dash to the middle obv
i never said like as soon as you walk into the room
random relic
sweet thanks
anyway super satisfying moments like those are why you should speedrun
did you see how satisfying that was
random relic
idk i definitely feel like hestia is faster
its essentially however long a reload takes
and i feel like thats faster than the detonation time for 4 luci specials
plain river
First hammer beowulf, dread flight, charged flight or dashing flight
random relic
First hammer beowulf, dread flight, charged flight or dashing flight
reset
plain river
Charged flight beo is basically charged flight guan-yu without the piercing explosive part
random relic
Not like I’m getting cast boons
especially reset if shackle
random relic
shackle beo is just bad zag shield
plain river
Could find Mirage shot on castless beo
random relic
I’m going as far as I can anyways because I have tidal dash and artemis in pool
going for mirage without a cast
strange lark
It does
tender latch
I've only had it on a couple runs now, but good god rush delivery feels glorious
balmy sorrel
do u guys have any good builds i can try with sword any aspect
cunning urchin
m not a guy, but I wrote a guide for Nemesis that might give you some ideas. #h1-for-new-players message
balmy sorrel
aight
lone jetty
Here’s some ideas for all the blade aspects https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide#stygian-blade
thick vine
Anybody got any tips that help the charron fight? I can't seem to get the two wins in a row for the challenge I need lol
I know get gud but actual tips are cool too
I'm trying to beat him with the bow so I can keep some distance
lone jetty
Bows are good for that fight. Don’t fight him in Tartarus. You don’t have to take every opportunity to fight him for that challenge. Wait for Elysium or maybe Asphodel when your build is online. The fight is the same regardless of biome.
tight basin
also even in later biomes if you dont think you can beat him because you have a bad build, just skip it this time. it'll show up again in a different run eventually and hopefully you'll have a good build that time
fresh rover
what's the trigger for that fight? or is it just random
tight basin
something like 22% chance of showing up
fresh rover
have you guys seen a tierlist of all the boons you can possibly get per god anywhere? ik that it's all situational and blahblah but i found a hammer tierlist (and have seen some boonlists floating around) and it's been superrr helpful on my runs (for context, i've only cleared the game 4x so far so relatively new)
proper furnace
what's the trigger for that fight? or is it just random
Escape once so the sack can show up in 1st place
After that 22% chance for the sack in midshop yeah
tight basin
didn't rmacinty make a boon tier list or something i heard about it but idk where it is
proper furnace
Most of them are memes
plain river
do u guys have any good builds i can try with sword any aspect
Just use shackle and don’t pick up any boons
tight basin
based
proper furnace
Cursed
balmy sorrel
lol
fresh rover
alrighty i found a template if anyone wanted to give their opinion XD would be helpful to do each god separately cuz altogether is too much stuff to read: https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-boon-tier-list-666778
tight basin
oh i can't wait to make bad decisions on this tier list
plain river
Drunken dash is SSS tier
tight basin
i've taken drunken dash to proc PS when i was doing my 50 heat run lmao
proven osprey
How do you compare jolted to hyper sprint
tight basin
with confidence
proven osprey
tier list is not gonna work, a good 50% of them are situational
plain river
i've taken drunken dash to proc PS when i was doing my 50 heat run lmao
I had level 9 drunken dash on my zag rail shackle run
proven osprey
also, what's the angle you take for that? Speedruns, heat?
tight basin
i mean there are some boons that aren't great and are a trap to beginner players and a somewhat basic tier list can be helpful for that
but yeah it's still very situational
proven osprey
yeah that much is true, you can identify bad boons
tight basin
tier list by god would be slightly better but still same issue
valid dagger
Tier list by god is too generalized to be any useful
fresh rover
How do you compare jolted to hyper sprint
def don't compare btwn gods, because you don't make that choice in game anyways
proven osprey
Well as is, all I see is tiers and all of the boons
That means I can compare the two of them
fresh rover
you don't gotta use all the boons lol
plain river
Hyper sprint is higher because it’s more useful on more builds
You can just throw it in there
proper furnace
Mobility gud
tight basin
still a bit misleading because some new players might be like "get all the S tier boons and ez win"
bouta put bronze skin in S tier
plain river
bouta put bronze skin in S tier
proper furnace
My fav tierlist was the
Hermes
-all other gods cuz they depend on a lot of factors
tight basin
lmao it do be like that
valid dagger
ima make a meme tier list and post it on reddit and say it's 100% serious and show my clears as proof
fresh rover
yeah too bad you can't add notes in tierlistmaker
valid dagger
tight basin
ima make a meme tier list and post it on reddit and say it's 100% serious and sh...
idk man as
random relic
ima make a meme tier list and post it on reddit and say it's 100% serious and sh...
thatd be hilarious
random relic
anyway yeah tier list by aspect is definitely the most helpful but thats 24 different tier lists
proper furnace
Tier list by vibes
tight basin
just post the tier list and turn off reddit notifs and never look at the post ever again
plain river
hammer tier list by aspect
proper furnace
Tier list by design
fresh rover
btw why does everyone love smoldering air so much lol
strange lark
fast call gud
proper furnace
Cuz no one uses full gauge unless aphro/arte
Cuz no one uses full gauge unless aphro/arte
fresh rover
but it's so short
strange lark
greater call bad
fresh rover
o i do :')
proper furnace
Most of them can also phase the boss a bit too early and you waste the rest of your call
And constant billowing strength/second wind kinda nice
strange lark
alrighty i found a template if anyone wanted to give their opinion XD would be h...
heres my tierlist
random relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1006983450277974048/un...
nice tiers, objectively true
i love how they were just like "well... were not going to let this sprite go to waste just because its on stygian soul!"
proper furnace
Wait are they really the same
valid dagger
Yes
random relic
yeah
proper furnace
Nice
dreamy prism
bruh random HR in good is hilarious
proven osprey
I'm trying to figure out the logic, I hope there's one
plain river
Agreed
strange lark
actually arthur should be in good
dreamy prism
based
plain river
Zag spear in good instantly correct tierlist
strange lark
zag spear is legit good for unmodded
plain river
I’m biased because I had a really sweet zag spear run a while back
Each special was doing like 700 damage
proper furnace
Access to flurry and exploding
dreamy prism
oh I guess both are good
plain river
Obviously hades spear better then zag spear because higher chance to see exploding and charged 
Due to no flurry
fresh rover
greater call bad
ig the reason why i wait for the greater call is usually cuz the smaller one is rly short and if it's something like poseidon/ares/athena (or any invuln ones) it seems too short for me to get enough meaningful hits off on it. also, what are iframes. i keep hearing about it but dunno exactly what it is
proper furnace
Invencibility frames
Cant get hit during those
All calls have a decent amount on activation, your dash is full of them for duration
twin cloak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/1006985905401249822/un...
poseidon mid tbh
dreamy prism
ig the reason why i wait for the greater call is usually cuz the smaller one is ...
you should try dionysus call to get the hang of small calls
it's ludicrously powerful with a pom or two and strictly rewards you for small over big calls
fresh rover
ah yeah dionysus is just a dmg call tho, could def see why that works rly well with SA. i was more talking about invuln calls when it's on 25% it just seems super short to me
dreamy prism
well they're hard to get used to to be fair, I'm with you on that one
fresh rover
esp on smth like poseidon where you have to run at them, hit them, then kinda turn around to hit them again
by the second turn it's already over
(for me)
dreamy prism
you need to rewire your brain to start using small calls as panic buttons
fresh rover
but maybe that's cuz i'm bad??
dreamy prism
as soon as things get bad and you're about to get hit you use a small call
fresh rover
ah ic
dreamy prism
poseidon's an interesting case for sure
his small call is a fantastic panic button to get like 700 damage off in a pinch but yeah it can be hard to control
fresh rover
ig i've been using calls as more of a "massive dmg time" as opposed to "oh crap gotta dodge smth"
proper furnace
Just using them on normal rooms get you used to small calls for me i think
dreamy prism
it depends on how far into the game you are as well
at lower heats and non speedrunning big calls are great
fresh rover
o yes, that's exactly where i am rn lol
dreamy prism
high heat is where small calls reign supreme because every hit is way more impactful
getting hit for 20 is fine when you have 300 hp and two death defiances
random relic
you need to rewire your brain to start using small calls as panic buttons
^^^this works surprisingly well
dreamy prism
less so when it's 40 damage from hard labor 5 and you have 120 hp on stubborn defiance
strange lark
high heat is where small calls reign supreme because every hit is way more impac...
aphro call tho
dreamy prism
aphro call is underrated imo
I think it's great how it's rarity and level independent for free meg on bosses
proper furnace
Is one of the most common loved calls imo
dreamy prism
unlike art*mis call 🤮
proper furnace
At least on reddit
dreamy prism
it is indeed
strange lark
reddit got one thing correct
dreamy prism
but I think for that reason it's slightly overhated by heat sweats
since big calls aren't completely unviable
strange lark
i used it midspin because zeus
dreamy prism
wait really
proper furnace
Cant bullrush your way out of unblockables
dreamy prism
wait so what are his unblockables
proper furnace
Point blank spear throw-cast mainly
strange lark
and you cant bullrush your way out
random relic
@twin cloak im trying poseidon sword 50 this weapon sucks
dreamy prism
https://youtu.be/7T86UjoJVwI?t=1819
holy adrenaline
dreamy prism
aphro clutch up baby
strange lark
mommy aphrodite saved me uwu
random relic
why are you doing poseidon 50
bc funni
dreamy prism
mommy aphrodite saved me uwu
bet the aphrodite poster in your room had a good time when you came home after that
strange lark
ayo wtf
dreamy prism
but yeah I can see the problem now lol
cshot downgrade for zeus esp vs superdad right?
strange lark
yeah
dreamy prism
since you use bull rush for movement and pushing into disc
random relic
i love this game
strange lark
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1006999688886632478/...
red poseidon sword
dreamy prism
wtf is going on
strange lark
bruh
dreamy prism
wtf
dreamy prism
you have 21 ambrosia
random relic
oh yeah
random relic
doing em4 and ap2
this what what her pact was
strange lark
@twin cloak whats wrong with you
random relic
i mean i could do js3 pl instead of ap2 lmao
dreamy prism
@twin cloak what's wrong with you
strange lark
isnt she modded too
random relic
yeah
strange lark
just use hellmode
dreamy prism
surely JS3 is fine
random relic
exactly lmao
twin cloak
<@293880606650269696> whats wrong with you
everything
random relic
i died to lernie
twin cloak
how it feels to play poseidon
random relic
that was my first attempt lmao
god pos sword sucks
@twin cloak how the hell did you do em4 with this
twin cloak
i spent like 5 minutes on superdad
random relic
omg
twin cloak
lp is just good
twin cloak
this aspect is worse than chiron
it really is just aspectless sword
twin cloak
not really <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i mean like it clears rooms quickly
twin cloak
dc1???
random relic
yeah
strange lark
dc is pretty bad for castspects but ig it can work
twin cloak
i forget how awful bp2 is sometimes
twin cloak
going for lp without legacy lol
random relic
thatd be incredibly based but alas this is a castspect that needs a duo
random relic
going for lp without legacy lol
itd be better than going for lp with legacy on ap2
im only not doing that pact because i want poms and hearts
plain river
I was just think RI1 might be free on my shackle runs then I remembered I need rerolls to roll away cores
twin cloak
arthur heat when you get that one dc bp
random relic
thing is phalanx shot on its own already has decent aoe and damage
random relic
arthur heat when you get that one dc bp
savior
twin cloak
Oooo i should do that next
Doing 50 heat except only with the garbage
Ignore eris and zagbow
strange lark
its fine
random relic
its fine with poseidon, not great
twin cloak
Man i'm so sad i didn't highroll into fully loaded in my poseidon 50
That would've been so funny
soft kiln
fully loaded is so hard to find
dreamy prism
what is this cheat engine
random relic
lmao
twin cloak
"just get the boons"
Yeah see
random relic
this game is awesome
twin cloak
It's that easy
random relic
thanks amir
twin cloak
Now put aphro on a core and highroll for smair
tight basin
yeah just get the boons
the game is literally about getting boons it cant be that hard
twin cloak
Poseidon is cracked
It's equally as good as zagbow and eris
And everything else sucks
random relic
am i the only one that pulls out a calculator after i get a heart to see if i should reset sd or not
strange lark
am i the only one that pulls out a calculator after i get a heart to see if i sh...
yes
i just eyeball it
dreamy prism
am i the only one that pulls out a calculator after i get a heart to see if i sh...
lol yeah
dreamy prism
but you can also just multiply health by 3 to see
iron barn
clearly yall dont know how to reset sd twice in the same chamber 😤
dreamy prism
/ 10 obviously
iron barn
Poseidon sword btw
oh
twin cloak
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/997952769317150790/u...
Imagine not getting second wave for disciple
Why is second wave even a thing anyway
twin cloak
Switch to em1
strange lark
stop dying to lernie
iron barn
Imagine not getting second wave for disciple
i had another run where i had four pos cores + huge catch but no call
dreamy prism
this is the main reason why duo based aspects are bad at high heat
you can't take tooth for lernie
random relic
also im going to upgrade this to lvl 5 now lmao
random relic
you can't take tooth for lernie
my tooth is lvl 1 anyways, it sucks
iron barn
bro 💀
dreamy prism
god tier keepsake
random relic
ive never used it before
strange lark
my tooth is lvl 1 anyways, it sucks
this is why you keep dying to lernie
strange lark
i maxed all the keepsakes 😎
iron barn
theres literally an achievement please just max out yalls keepsakes
random relic
My only l1 keepsake is distant memory
youve used black shawl and feathur duster?
twin cloak
#Broken Spearpoint Sweep
random relic
and myrmidion bracer?
twin cloak
Yeah
random relic
and spearpoint?
twin cloak
What
random relic
those all suck
twin cloak
Spearpoint is good
random relic
no spearpoint bad
strange lark
its good
iron barn
why not max them out though its just a few runs
twin cloak
That's a few runs too many
random relic
why not max them out though its just a few runs
because i could spend those few runs using actually good keepsakes
twin cloak
How am i supposed to win 50 heat if i'm leveling up my distant memory
random relic
it takes way too long to max them
random relic
How am i supposed to win 50 heat if i'm leveling up my distant memory
me when i was levelling up shackle with hestia 50 lmao
twin cloak
Distant memory has absolutely 0 use cases anyway so i don't care
strange lark
use distant memory when you also have sniper shot on bow
dreamy prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845087923779141682/1007007615013892126/...
wait
you can do the tooth cheese
twin cloak
What if i prefer point blank
plain river
i maxed all the keepsakes 😎
😎
twin cloak
i maxed all the keepsakes 😎
Did you max companion mort
strange lark
yeah
dreamy prism
sad