even strong drink is kinda depressing since it's so much better at low heat
#h1-builds-and-combat
dreamy prism
oh yeah and dio call is broken of course
proper furnace
i swear theres less free rooms on high heat
There is no survival rooms so true 
dreamy prism
lmao
proper furnace
Unless you are a td0 gamer
random relic
oh i definitely am
dreamy prism
cursed slash 58 build
random relic
i take 90 minutes per run
dreamy prism
god I love that cursed slash run so much
random relic
also you havent changed your name in a while
dreamy prism
red whatever the pos boon is called hard carrying
random relic
tempest strike?
dreamy prism
no the call one
strange lark
you talking about the routed one
dreamy prism
yeah
strange lark
boiling point
random relic
oh boiling point
dreamy prism
boiling point
random relic
yeah that one
dreamy prism
also you havent changed your name in a while
there you go
strange lark
blocked
dreamy prism
be careful what you wish for
strange lark
shield block doesnt work
random relic
be careful what you wish for
:(
proper furnace
there you go
Cease
dreamy prism
isn't it so weird that two of the shield aspects are just worse versions of zag aspect
proper furnace
🔫
strange lark
isn't it so weird that two of the shield aspects are just worse versions of zag ...
@ moderators ban this man
dreamy prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/954394732233130024/996242879716532296/1...
god I hate asterius
playing zeus as bad zag means that hit would've done 30% less damage
proper furnace
Asterius is a bro
dreamy prism
hence bad zag zeus >>>
random relic
isn't it so weird that two of the shield aspects are just worse versions of zag ...
what, beo and arthur? i agree
dreamy prism
arthur is by far the worst shield tbh
twin cloak
there you go
U suck
dreamy prism
also screw zeusifer
strange lark
dreamy prism
try fire lucifortune for 50
strange lark
i remember i did this once
random relic
try fire lucifortune for 50
fire lucifortune?
dreamy prism
lmao oops
twin cloak
Nice yarn
dreamy prism
it is kinda fire tbh
dreamy prism
it beats 32 so it's good
chilly loom
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/844939558671482910/Scr...
wtf
you did this on 20 heat with no boons
twin cloak
Dire lucifortune 64 heat when
dreamy prism
this sounds like a job for DC64
iron barn
you did this on 20 heat with no boons
20 is not bad tbh
twin cloak
this sounds like a job for DC64
True the doom chipping off 1 damage control layer is really op
random relic
you did this on 20 heat with no boons
ik so insane
dreamy prism
True the doom chipping off 1 damage control layer is really op
forcing ares means you get blade dash which is unironically the DCX meta
strange lark
i cant believe i beat 20
chilly loom
yeah but like with no boons
random relic
i love doing 32 heat meme runs lmao
twin cloak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/844939558671482910/Scr...
Nice pact
chilly loom
isnt boon less really really hard?
strange lark
no
twin cloak
Not really
random relic
nah
strange lark
you just purge the boons
random relic
not really
iron barn
em3+td3+mm+bp2 is 19
chilly loom
but like, isnt the combat hard?
random relic
no
dreamy prism
without shackle it's probably pretty rough
strange lark
shackle
random relic
shackle yeah
twin cloak
you just purge the boons
Wdym you clearly use fated authority to roll away all boons
random relic
shackle kinda aphro
twin cloak
Reset for c1 hammer
chilly loom
oh ok
random relic
10% dr isnt very good anyway
dreamy prism
lmao
dreamy prism
why would you run aphro when you can do shackle + abyssal
iron barn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/844939558671482910/Scr...
just noticed the yarn 🤔
twin cloak
If you kill it fast enough it's basically just 100% damage resistance
strange lark
i took the yarn for all the boons im gonna get
random relic
why would you run aphro when you can do shackle + abyssal
abyssal 
twin cloak
Abyssal blood is beo meta tbh
dreamy prism
@ mods ban for abyssal slander
proper furnace
Meta is resetting your mirror to save darkness on it
strange lark
abyssal blood actually holds non magnil wmic nephioh 32 heat unmodded unseeded hades speedrun wr
proper furnace
Meta is resetting your mirror to save darkness on it
So you can get more titles
random relic
abyssal blood actually holds non magnil wmic nephioh 32 heat unmodded unseeded h...
i still cant believe you got that run lmao
twin cloak
Routine inspection 4 is the best 8 heat in the game
dreamy prism
unseen one should come with a stat buff tbh
strange lark
i still cant believe you got that run lmao
youre small brain cannot comprehend my skill
dreamy prism
1% move speed
I was thinking more like full god mode but that works too
twin cloak
How to even speedrun this game it feels so mind numbing
random relic
dire lucerihesbezazeuchaos129
twin cloak
Me when i see exclusively tartarus and house of hades for 7 hours straight
dreamy prism
thankfully quick reset means you don't need to see house
strange lark
thats just hades
random relic
yeah no house lol
proper furnace
You dont need to reset that much unless you want a really low goal
random relic
really low meaning like sub 6:30 lmao
strange lark
boiling is just better
iron barn
abyssal is probably fine on hera too
anything where atk/special isnt main source of damage
proper furnace
Is still a heavy chunk of dmg
strange lark
you want that boiling blood while you wait for your casts to drop on hera
i also know angel hated poseidon at super high heats since poseidon just becomes zag sword with 50% cast damage
so i guess if you want to break poseidons heat wr you want boiling
random relic
i also know angel hated poseidon at super high heats since poseidon just becomes...
yeah this pretty much
its like the second worst castspect
plain river
its like the second worst castspect
Behind zagsword
strange lark
yes it is
plain river
Wait nvrmind I got things backwards
random relic
hmm
plain river
Zagsword is ahead of possword in castpect department though
proper furnace
Move speed = global dmg = castpect
random relic
Zagsword is ahead of possword in castpect department though
idk that id say that
zag sword is certainly better than pos sword in general though lmao
that 15% move speed is better than anything poseidon has
strange lark
no its not lmao
strange lark
id much rather have the 50% cast damage over the 15% movespeed
random relic
15% move speed kinda 30% cast damage
next patio
can you not get poseidon's attack on lucifer?
strange lark
you can
next patio
oh i'm just that unlucky huh, like i spent all my rerolls and got everything poseidon can offer even a duo boon and the legendary
strange lark
its a good thing you dont want poseidons attack on lucifer
unless you are aiming for supersoaker
strange lark
then you do want poseidon attack
loud heath
You got the dash?
next patio
yea
loud heath
You got this then. Thats all you need XD
hoary sorrel
Question: is there a hard coded max number of casts you can have on a run? I know I have personally had 7 on a run, and I believe I have seen people with as many as 8.
strange lark
no
plain river
The only limit is how many you can possibly get from chaos and charon or other sources at one time
dreamy prism
someone should route game to max casts
tight basin
The beo trippy flare dream
plain river
Nice doom damage
plain river
now get scillating feast and kill the fans on your device
plain river
Uh
soft kiln
i got flurry jab
soft kiln
ok let me start over since you're assuming i'm trying to decide on keepsakes
plain river
Trippy shot is kinda a downgrade to your cast
Trippy flare isn’t but that’s just hera and beo
soft kiln
wait what
plain river
Trippy shot is kinda a downgrade to your cast
Since it has enough travel time for enemies to just… move out of the way
tight basin
for common enemies it won't be as obvious but against bosses it'll be a pain if you miss
soft kiln
i have never run into this issue. i mean i've missed before but not so often that it made me not want to use it
tight basin
If you want to use trippy generally use abyssal soul
fresh rover
does anyone know why there is a fist symbol next to the 'aspect of zagreus' ?
tight basin
i have never run into this issue. i mean i've missed before but not so often tha...
If your dps is relying on it then it's gonna be a pain
soft kiln
well my other option besides trippy shot is epic drunken strike
tight basin
does anyone know why there is a fist symbol next to the 'aspect of zagreus' ?
I think you just have it equipped
soft kiln
which i'm not entirely against with flurry jab
strange lark
Trippy shot is good on Achilles
plain river
Do you not have a third option?
tight basin
Just don't miss lol
soft kiln
drunken flourish
fresh rover
I think you just have it equipped
but it's on the aspect of zagreus but not the other aspects?
strange lark
Damage numbers can be beeg
plain river
True but consistence is kinda nice and I find trippy shot a pain in my rear end to use
soft kiln
i didn't really think dio special was an actual option
tight basin
but it's on the aspect of zagreus but not the other aspects?
So when you equip a different aspect of that weapon it's still there?
strange lark
True but consistence is kinda nice and I find trippy shot a pain in my rear end ...
Skill issue
plain river
dio special is an option so that you can instead look for other cores with better consistency I guess
fresh rover
So when you equip a different aspect of that weapon it's still there?
oh wait you are right. ok now i'm kinda confused. i thought the aspects were permanent upgrades to the weapons. can you remove / unequip them..?
plain river
Skill issue
Very true
plain river
oh wait you are right. ok now i'm kinda confused. i thought the aspects were per...
Yeah you have to equip and remove them
tight basin
oh wait you are right. ok now i'm kinda confused. i thought the aspects were per...
Different aspects are essentially different weapons
They all have a different gimmick
soft kiln
so drunken strike is just out of contention when flurry jab means 2 dash strikes is almost full hangover stacks?
plain river
I mean on achilles having something like arte attack over dio is kinda nice
fresh rover
Different aspects are essentially different weapons
so if i click the + titan blood symbol i get the titan blood back?
tight basin
No
plain river
I mean on achilles having something like arte attack over dio is kinda nice
but I wouldn’t rule it out
fresh rover
how do i deequip the aspect then
tight basin
You'd upgrade the weapon
They're different weapons
Aspects are different weapons and you can pick which one to use
strange lark
You can't take off an aspect
fresh rover
ohhh ok i gotcha
plain river
ok let me start over since you're assuming i'm trying to decide on keepsakes
I don’t forget that you’re a psychopath y’know
tight basin
If you haven't leveled up any of them to level 1 then you cant use it
soft kiln
I don’t forget that you’re a psychopath y’know
i'll have you know i have started doing some runs with keepsakes :p
god keepsakes*
tight basin
Mom pom lmfao
soft kiln
this one i started with mom pom though because i just didn't really care what i found
twin cloak
I used to use so much pom blossom
soft kiln
hell i can just avoid getting other boons for al ittle while and get infinite free drunken strike poms
plain river
Don’t worry about it I’m having the aziraphale experience rn… trying to complete all aspects with shackle is kinda just wishing for splash dash and having a hard time without it
tight basin
hell i can just avoid getting other boons for al ittle while and get infinite fr...
Could've done Chiron then lmao
soft kiln
i didn't choose dio i just found dio
plain river
Don’t worry about it I’m having the aziraphale experience rn… trying to complete...
Due to both skill issue and me trying to push my heat higher using shackle on aspects I don’t normally use
tight basin
i didn't choose dio i just found dio
Exactly
twin cloak
Shackle gilga 😈
soft kiln
i can't do bow for a long time
twin cloak
Clearly+100% maim damage that's definitely how shackle works
tight basin
Fair
soft kiln
i'm on heat 16 with bow and i'm trying to catch up with everything else 😦
strange lark
Do 50 heat
tight basin
50 heat Chiron with no special boon
plain river
Where is my splash dash 
I’m using your sword poseidon, you should come down and reward me with splash dash for actually using it for once
soft kiln
Due to both skill issue and me trying to push my heat higher using shackle on as...
i approve
plain river
19 heat shackle pos sword with no splash dash I just want splash dash I already have hyper sprint purp rush delivery just give me the splash dash poseidon where are you
Oh my
This is a conundrum. I picked up demeter and have been forced to choice between frost strike, flourish, or meme beams with no rerolls left
Picking any of them is a sin
proper furnace
Just visit your nearest purging pool
plain river
Random number generator for which one to take: strike (1),flourish(2),meme beams(3)
It says 3
soft kiln
3
jesus chamber 12 erebus
is chamber 13 lvl 9 drunken strike with curse of nausea good?
soft kiln
fury just melted
proper furnace
Now sell ares special so you can focus more poms on hangover 
plain river
Yes
proper furnace
What weapon is this anyways
soft kiln
achilles spear with flurry jab
plain river
no need for curse after getting duo
soft kiln
it has to be natural too because i'm never taking mom pom off now XD
plain river
it has to be natural too because i'm never taking mom pom off now XD
That’s how I be wishing for poseidon on my shackle runs
And now I’m in styx without splash dash and full god slots
Full god pool whoops
I just realised that aphrodite was an option earlier and I could’ve taken her and hoped for smair instead of praying for splash dash
Since I have zeus aid
random relic
is chamber 13 lvl 9 drunken strike with curse of nausea good?
holy wtf how
god tier
soft kiln
holy wtf how
Mom pom and I only got one other god boon in tart lol
hidden verge
What is a good build for the spear?
hidden verge
Which spear
The eternal spear
plain river
I think you hope for charged skewer and exploding launcher and build artemis or aphrodite on special
plain river
The eternal spear
Aspectless then… they all are the eternal spear
hidden verge
I think you hope for charged skewer and exploding launcher and build artemis or ...
Ok thanks
hidden verge
Aspectless then… they all are the eternal spear
Ah ok
plain river
Runnning high confidence on guan-yu is pretty based
I guess it makes sense though… because you’ve either got high confidence active, or you’re dead
It’s got full uptime your whole run
/s
tight basin
i feel like if you're special spamming with guan yu then you're hardly getting hit in the first place lol
plain river
tbh though
I'm really confused about why they said you're starting off in high heat with 25hp
soft kiln
zag shield is bad right?
dreamy prism
well if you turn on RI2 which isn't unreasonable to assume
since at high heat a lot of aspects start accepting RI2
plain river
well if you turn on RI2 which isn't unreasonable to assume
forgot about that heat option
whoops
plain river
zag shield is bad right?
no
dreamy prism
zag shield is bad right?
I'm of the opinion it's the strongest high heat aspect for non gods on modded
non gods as in people who aren't absolutely cracked and can do high 50s rama and whatever
soft kiln
do you just run around dash striking with like aphro attack?
dreamy prism
that works at lower heat but not higher
tight basin
it's mainly bull rushing or charged shot right
dreamy prism
optimal dps is aphro/arty attack charged shot, standing strike -> cshot -> repeat
soft kiln
@plain river how do you feel about shackle chaos?
dreamy prism
dash striking is only used for scattered stuff in tart and when you need the movement option, otherwise it's poor dps
plain river
<@733775512991694900> how do you feel about shackle chaos?
oh
oh god
I have to do that eventually
soft kiln
i might try it right now
dreamy prism
just get cshot
soft kiln
dash striking is only used for scattered stuff in tart and when you need the mov...
oh. what's the secret with no mods though?
i mean i can try
plain river
how about
dreamy prism
without cshot zshield is still decent but lacks a fundamental high dps build
dreamy prism
my recommendation would be aphro attack zeus whatever smair
you have a shield so no need to force ddash
plain river
you have a shield so no need to force ddash
he wouldn't force boons anyways since he's a psychopath
dreamy prism
then you mostly use dash strikes, bull rushing is for very safe dps and movement option
oh for shackle chaos
literally just reset til you get cshot out of tart tbh
plain river
I have to do shackle chaos eventually
dreamy prism
non beo shield is incredibly safe of course but you lack dps without cshot so TD3 will kick your ass
with cshot TD3 is irrelevant
if you're not on TD3 just dash strike and bull rush around however you want, no need to minmax dps
soft kiln
i might have forced something if it sounded interesting but shackle chaos sounds fun and i'm due for a shield run
dreamy prism
my tip is just don't use the special
soft kiln
why wouldn't i just use zag shield then
dreamy prism
I remember using it at high heat and getting hit every single time I tried
no reason
tight basin
if you're due for a shield run why not just not play chaos shield lol
dreamy prism
it also kinda depends on your heat
soft kiln
like 11
dreamy prism
on FO0-1 you can use special without getting instantly punished
and maybe with explosive return it'll be optimal dps
on FO2 it's out of the question
soft kiln
is the punishment because you can't attack while shield is out?
dreamy prism
yeah
and using the special has bad frame data
and you have to point blank the special to deal any damage
soft kiln
if you're due for a shield run why not just not play chaos shield lol
whimsy. probably.
dreamy prism
chaos is a lot of fun to use purely for the flavor
I never used it before doing 50 so I was surprised how cool chaos talking to you is
soft kiln
and using the special has bad frame data
i did notice this. i wonder if it hsould be modded to have a slightly larger hitbox
tight basin
and using the special has bad frame data
what does this mean?
soft kiln
the 3 shields often miss the thing you're right on top of
because they'll appear like behind them
kinda
or inside but it'll think it's behind them
dreamy prism
what does this mean?
the special is slow to unload relative to how close you have to be to stuff
tight basin
oh yeah true
soft kiln
it should really just choose the closest thing 180 degrees in front of zag and all 3 should hit
tight basin
yeah that's pretty bad lol
tight basin
ngl makes me think putting doom on it and chucking it across the whole room to hit whatever is probably the most optimal way to use it lol
dreamy prism
on that note it really is insane how unsafe fists special is relative to fists dash special
I hate how clunky it is
soft kiln
i don't remember the last time i used standing fist special on purpose
kinetic launcher ends up being a little weird too
tight basin
waiting for an enemy to spawn and you dont want to press more buttons and you have demeter fully charged lol
only valid reason for standing upper
dreamy prism
yeah it is higher damage than dash special so good for spawning stuff
soft kiln
i'm not optimal enough for that i just instead forget i have it for half the chamber
tight basin
it's a nice instakill opportunity
if you pick up explosive upper then you might want to use it more
soft kiln
i like when i'm blinded by particle effects or just not paying attention and dash special an elysium shield
tight basin
lmao it do be like that
dreamy prism
that's why you run zag shield tbh
probably the most fundamental and non effects spam aspect relative to how good it is
soft kiln
are you saying it's the best weapon that doesn't need a gimmick?
dreamy prism
kinda yeah
it's a zag aspect so it's already fundamental
and it already has a basic build that is overwhelmingly strong so doesn't need stuff like chaos spamming or duos
it's similar to zagbow in that respect
plain river
i haven't played zagbow since i got chiron
until a few days ago I would've said the same
then I got a run where I had arte attack, twin shot, flurry shot, heart rend, and hyper delivery so it's got me zagbow pilled
soft kiln
wow
tight basin
Oh I didn't realize how good flurry shot with zag bow could be because of the natural crit
plain river
flurry was convenient, I'm not sure if it improves the bow at all tbh
random relic
flurry is the best second hammer for zag bow imo
its op
honestly
flurry twin does ridiculous damage while also being comfortable to use and very safe
soft kiln
does shield block everything? i swear i've taken damage from bosses while blocking
plain river
I think some things don’t care about the shield
like hades spins or alecto beyblade or theseus spins possibly
Yeah so it can’t really block aoes
chilly loom
like hades spins or alecto beyblade or theseus spins possibly
hades spins can be blocked
but if hes in front of you, does the spin and ends up behind you then you take damage from the back im pretty sure
acoustic vale
Asterious spins can also absolutely be blocked. I don't recall Theseus himself spinning but I don't remember his moveset that well
acoustic vale
Huh. Good to know
dreamy prism
does shield block everything? i swear i've taken damage from bosses while blocki...
everything can be blocked except for traps and lava and poison
literally everything
molten swallow
what weapon do you guys recommend? I'm 9 hours in and the farthest I've been is the 3rd place with the fists. I have 2 tb
dreamy prism
what weapon do you guys recommend? I'm 9 hours in and the farthest I've been is ...
shield is the best early game weapon imo
molten swallow
alright
plain river
yeah
molten swallow
what aspect?
dreamy prism
no need for anything fancy, zag shield will do
plain river
shield is safe
dreamy prism
aphrodite artemis or ares attack, play defensive, block everything until you feel safe then bull rush and put shield back up
nice and safe
plain river
I prefer zeus shield but some people don't like using it
molten swallow
alright ty
plain river
I have a first hammer rn with rocket, cluster bomb, and triple bomb
I was going for spread fire zag rail
does arthur share the rest of the sword bugs with zeus dash?
dense basin
What zeus dash bug?
plain river
it's only on sword
if you dash-strike in one direction then try to dash strike in another direction right after the dash strike will stay in the initial direction
if that makes sense
dense basin
I very rarely use zeus dash
plain river
I'll see if I can find a clip of it
dense basin
if you dash-strike in one direction then try to dash strike in another direction...
By that you mean where Zagreus is looking or no matter where you point mouse/analog he'll dash in the direction of the first dash-strike?
plain river
I've been forced into zeus dash on shackle arthur so
yeah
no
no
he'll dash in the right direction
the strike part of the dash strike will be aimed in the same direction as the initial strike
dense basin
It can be advantageous in certain situations
plain river
A bit like that
if my epic diagram makes sense
I really hope that makes sense
nevermind just remembered that I could check the hades bug document
Thunder Dash (non-Arthur sword only)
"If you buffer a second dash strike, no matter which way you input it, the sword will point the same direction as the first dash strike"
selling zeus dash anyways but that's neat to know
valid dagger
does arthur share the rest of the sword bugs with zeus dash?
It doesn’t
soft kiln
are zag fists any good
is there some combination of hermes boons and other stuff that make you dodge almost everything?
proper furnace
You can get 100% dodge yeah
Use plume + greater evasion + get call for second wind + ruthless reflex
Some combination of that csn get you to 100%
cunning urchin
If you get over 100% Dodge chance, the past, present, and future become one.
void rock
In the case of 100% dodge does that mean you would never take any damage from any attacks?
cunning urchin
Yes, but normally you can only reach 100% temporarily.
soft kiln
when tidal dash is a primary focus, are you still shooting for hyper rush or do you go for greatest reflex
strange lark
usually depends on the weapon
like for hestia you want rush delivery
but on eris you will usually take dashes if you see them
lucid oar
And on Achilles it depends what attack boon you have
iron barn
should i be playing with attack at cursor on pc
rn i'm not and i dont want to relearn how to play the game
iron barn
originally i turned it off bc i kept missing bow and rail shots
but now like 300 runs later i realized that dash strikes are super annoying
cunning urchin
when tidal dash is a primary focus, are you still shooting for hyper rush or do ...
Rule of thumb is take rare+ Greatest Reflex > Hyper Sprint > common Greatest Reflex.
lucid oar
I take hyper sprint over rare dashes
In my zag spear run I took rare rd over epic dashes lmao
unkempt scroll
Hmm, kinda surprising how quick what seems like weak boons gets stronger by adding other boons to them 🤔
I had thunder dash + the hammer that makes my dash attack attack twice (sword) + artemis special + 20% special speed + crit deals more dmg on shield
Still lost though, haven't bought DD's yet 😅
Still, almost got to third boss
twin cloak
Thunder dash sword 😬
next patio
does the bonus backstab damage from parting shot only work on casts?
proper furnace
iirc yeah
strange lark
It makes attacks backstab without getting the extra damage so technically yeah
dreamy prism
It makes attacks backstab without getting the extra damage so technically yeah
moral support
like how support fire is just moral support
strange lark
Support fire is goated wdym
lavish trail
what's a good zeucifer build?>
I have Zeus on attack and zeus legendary already, how do I make this good
random relic
yeah i mean thats pretty good
lavish trail
should i go aph and try do run Smair?
random relic
just need triple bomb and a special boon
lavish trail
i have rare poseidon special
strange lark
Poseidon special isn't that good
random relic
poseidon is the only % special thats bad
lavish trail
lmao i just picked up epic artemis special to replace the pos
hell yeah
How to use hellfire
random relic
arty is the best special on lucifer
lavish trail
Do i just scatter a few balls around and let it pulse at the enemies?
random relic
How to use hellfire
you generally want triple bomb to make it good
lavish trail
or do I try to blow them up
random relic
well i mean do use the special its very good
lucid oar
ye
strange lark
Doesn't get shadow slash tho
plain river
Doesn't get shadow slash tho
That’s dumb
lavish trail
damn i am worse at this game than I thought
I cranked up enemy damage and speed for real for the first time and man I'm not ready for this
tight basin
FO is not an easy pact lol
takes everyone time to get used to
once you get used to it and learn it tho it becomes second nature
lavish trail
yeah I had hard labor, forced overtime and jury summons cranked to the max
strange lark
That's bad
dreamy prism
gamer
lavish trail
Well I'm trying to figure out how I want to play high heat as I keep moving up
random relic
no
lavish trail
I can easily clear 15-20 because I usually just crank EM, JS, MM and timer for a free 13-14 heat
40% JS is easy
lavish trail
JS2 with FO? I was NOT ready
random relic
JS gang gang
oh god no stop it
lavish trail
gonna need speed boosts from hermes to work that stuff
dreamy prism
oh god no stop it
hey I converted you to RI1 AP1
lavish trail
So wait what's the average 25-30 heat run then? Because I don't want to purge boons, have limited options or not get rolls
dreamy prism
I'll keep converting people
lavish trail
And those seem like the easy ones
dreamy prism
get used to underworld customs
lavish trail
isn't that only 2 heat?
dreamy prism
it's literally never taken off at high heat but there's a "learning curve" to it
lavish trail
that's where you have to purge right?
dreamy prism
yep
lavish trail
that's 2 heat?
dreamy prism
it's worth like 1 heat tbh
lavish trail
I can manage that i guess, it's what I used for my 32 heat run
dreamy prism
it's annoying but almost always free
lavish trail
My 32 heat run was a hestia shackle run
plain river
it's annoying but almost always free
Mega free on shackle gaming
dreamy prism
hm that's a good build
lavish trail
Do people even do boon builds at high heat?
plain river
yeah
dreamy prism
yeah but you get a lot less picky
lavish trail
I'm just trying to figure out the meta for a solid 32 heat run that doesn't just involve shackle crutch
dreamy prism
"oh sweet a common athena special we take those"
strange lark
Do people even do boon builds at high heat?
Literally how you win the run
random relic
"oh sweet a common athena special we take those"
yeah pretty much
shackle is what you use as a last desperate to save the run
dreamy prism
I'm just trying to figure out the meta for a solid 32 heat run that doesn't just...
try designing a pact yourself and share it
tight basin
dc 32
dreamy prism
also it's worth trying out a pact for the first time because people respond to heats differently
lavish trail
what is dc 32
random relic
a meme
strange lark
Dead cells 32
lavish trail
I just got off for the night, I'll try building one tomorrow
I'm just trying to build a 20-25 I can win consistently for now
dreamy prism
that's a good place to start
the nice thing about 32 is that it's basically just a 20 heat pact amped up a little bit
random relic
discord 32
random relic
the nice thing about 32 is that it's basically just a 20 heat pact amped up a li...
this pretty much
lavish trail
I know like 1 good build for each god/aspect
I'm not good at seeing a god logo and being like "okay I know what I should aim for with this"
Like if I have a Zeus and see an aph I think "oh I'll try smair build" but if I have Zeus on attack and see a Poseidon im like "I have no idea what to do right now"
lavish trail
Yeah that was just an example
Although I play fists and melee bow so much I have trained myself to avoid Poseidon dash because I want to fight close range
Point blank triple shot with Artemis goes CRAZY
And a Poseidon dash ruins that for me
strange lark
Twin shot gang
next patio
flood strike lucifer feels like a pressure washer simulator
random relic
used to be triple gang until i starting using fo lol
that changes your opinion pretty quickly
strange lark
Real ones use sniper shot
lucid oar
hit em with the sniper shot distant memory wombo combo
tight basin
true gaming
tight basin
I'm not good at seeing a god logo and being like "okay I know what I should aim ...
i mean builds generally revolve around 1 duo, and you force both gods in tart and aspho
everything else you either take supporting boons or just fill slots if it doesnt open a duo
lavish trail
Yeah that's what I'm working on learning. I'm new to the community so I'm sure I'm gonna get s lot of good advice on good runs
Or I'll just absorb it
tight basin
true lol gl with your runs
plain river
flood strike lucifer feels like a pressure washer simulator
Super soaker has “super” in the name for a reason
plain river
hit em with the sniper shot distant memory wombo combo
Truly 4000iq
plain river
hit em with the sniper shot distant memory wombo combo
But I think hitting them with the explosive sniper shot distant memory would be a better wombo combo 🤡
lucid oar
probably
plain river
If only charged volley chiron was possible
twin cloak
zagbow lol
plain river
I’d say bye bye to smair personally but dk
random relic
oh yikes thats really sad
proper furnace
go back in time and save a roll
random relic
depends on the call but i probably wouldve purged smair
dreamy prism
awfully nice of that coin to cover up call slot perfectly
random relic
Fairly certain it was zeus aid
oh yeah lol
plain river
awfully nice of that coin to cover up call slot perfectly
Wdym the lightning bolt on zeus aid are clearly visible https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1004242933026922636/IMG_2016.png
tight basin
first time actually playing lucifer and i just got offered heroic tempest strike, do i go for super soaker lmao
i have decided against it
tawny grove
unique mason
How does one do a hunting blades build with Achilles spear?
Do you take aeres cast and then mainly use spear until you get the duo boon?
Every time I try and use the cast without the duo boon I end up using up my DDs
valid dagger
How does one do a hunting blades build with Achilles spear?
Usually you start with Tidal dash because it helps a lot in Tartarus, but that’s mainly Speedrunning meta, you can start with Arty attack or Ares cast if all you care about is getting Hunting Blades
And then you force the other in Asphodel
Make sure you’re not opening unnecessary duos because they lower the chance of getting the one you want by a lot
unique mason
I picked the cast first and had really bad luck with boons until I finally got hunting blades right before the 3rd boss and by then I had 1DD and low hp, but ended up getting the clear anyway. Before the duo though I just found that I did no damage and kept opening up myself to take hits because I had to be close before I casted or it would just miss them entirely
And I had no boon on my attack because I didn’t want to risk getting a different duo
balmy echo
is it any good to have poseidon-ares duo?
and how does it work
can you still charge or it overwrites
hard briar
whats the consensus on best EM4 build?
proper furnace
is it any good to have poseidon-ares duo?
Pos-ares blocks mirage shot
valid dagger
whats the consensus on best EM4 build?
Depends on weapon and heat and many other things
chilly loom
whats a good build for lucifer?
hard briar
Depends on weapon and heat and many other things
if it was EM4 and nothing else then what objectively would the most effective way to clap them cheeks
fossil locust
my personal best theseus and asterion, nice damage with the special attack; that Area Call tho
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004381278575022123/1004381372800061460/20220803_152706.jpg
this was the build, it is in Spanish sorry about that
soft kiln
is minotaur rush any good for beo
lucid oar
No
Most of the time you want to be doing short charges
Unless the enemy is far away and you’ve already started charging
soft kiln
is it good for any other shields
strange lark
No
soft kiln
someone toss a hestia build at me what do YOU want me to do?
lucid oar
Drunken strike
proper furnace
MEstia
strange lark
super soaker
soft kiln
Drunken strike
i'm sorry i meant a build that actually works lol
lucid oar
It’s fiiiiine
strange lark
drunken strike works
twin cloak
Lightning strike and play it like bad zag 😁👍
soft kiln
which one is super soaker?
lucid oar
Poseidon
strange lark
good zag you mean
soft kiln
oh just any amount of poseidon is super soaker?
twin cloak
Still pick up spread fire anyway
proper furnace
Lightning strike and play it like bad zag 😁👍
Budget eris moment
soft kiln
ya'll just want me to play eris lol
random relic
someone toss a hestia build at me what do YOU want me to do?
aphro attack, special hammers, aphro/arty special
lucid oar
Well the best hestia build is pretty standard
random relic
thats the hestia build really
lucid oar
Any off meta one is gonna be weird
random relic
oh also tidal dash
lucid oar
MEstia is probably the best off meta
soft kiln
I'll try MEstia
wow first room is targeting system, ricochet fire, and cluster bomb
what a hammer
i think i just take ricochet fire for mestia even though cluster bomb is probably correct?
lucid oar
They’re both fine
proper furnace
Chance for clockets always nice
random relic
i do love me some clockets
proper furnace
Hi eris addict
random relic
lmao
soft kiln
That's true I've never had clockets
I never get both only one or the other
Although I also haven't done rail runs in a while
next patio
i can never make lucifer work, do i need to utilize the special more?
twin cloak
U kinda need triple bomb
proper furnace
Triple bombs make it great
twin cloak
Otherwise it's pretty sad
next patio
so should i build towards special instead and pray for triple bomb?
next patio
im thinking using my attack for a status effect for pstatus
proper furnace
If you wanna meme there is super soaker
strange lark
pstatus overrated
twin cloak
Super soaker is basically zeus attack anyway
proper furnace
My best super soaker run was one that got carried by zeus call
valid dagger
if it was EM4 and nothing else then what objectively would the most effective wa...
An objectively-best build doesn’t exist in this scenario, there are a lot of weapons that can perform equally as well given the right boons so you’ll just have to decide based on what you’re good with, for swords Nemesis with ME is safe and has good damage, can also go for a crit build or a chunky attack with Arthur aspect, for spears Guan yu with ME is good but it’s a learning curve to most players because of the low hp pool, you can alternatively go for Achilles with a cast build: Hunting Blades or Crystal beam+ crystal clarity both work, and they’re not the only option. For shields Zeus with Zeus or ME and Beowulf with Flood/Passion and Mirage/Snow burst are all safe builds, or if you plan on resetting a bit then you can do Zag shield with Cshot, tricky aspect and not as safe as the other 2. For Bows literally anything, all of the weapons are very good at this level. For fists it’s just ME, safest option out there, Zeus with divine dash is okay but less damage. Finally for Rails you can do the classic Eris speedrunning build, you’ll have good damage, or you can do Hestia with a big chunky attack and play slow and safe, can also get clockets on both of those, Lucifer is not as safe, and Zag rail is either a weaker version of Eris or another ME weapon with spread fire
strange lark
talos with poseidon special and beaver is objectively the best way to beat em4
chilly loom
whats a good build for lucifer?
What's a good lucifer build?
lone jetty
What's a good lucifer build?
Basically the same as Eris for boons: Zeus Attack, Poseidon Dash, % special. Triple Bomb is the best hammer.
chilly loom
thanks. Any other good hammer?
tight basin
I think any other hammer is probably fine as well on top of triple
icy gale
how does triple bomb on lucifer work? does it just shoot out 3 balls?
tight basin
Yeah you just spam it lol
icy gale
oh, you can throw 3 in sequence
tight basin
Yeah that
icy gale
do you intentionally detonate them or just let them sit and do damage?
tight basin
Get a chunky special boon on it and big boom
tight basin
do you intentionally detonate them or just let them sit and do damage?
Intentionally detonate
Generally by shooting it, any dash that does damage can work too
I've recently used tidal dash, kinda pushes them out of the bomb but I think that's just me being bad lol
twin cloak
their passive damage is pretty meager
tight basin
The passive damage is probably decent in like Tartarus only if you throw it on a witch and miss the shot to detonate it
But at that point why would you do that lol
lone jetty
Yeah you’re banking on Zeus shrapnel or a dash to explode the bombs
Other hammers are… fine. None of them are actually terrible on Lucifer
tight basin
I feel like tdash is counterintuitive by pushing them out but it's probably just the price to pay for a good dash lol
lone jetty
Yeah Divine Dash or Passion Dash or whatever is fine if you’re knocking baddies too far with Splash. Exploding the bombs is the important bit
soft kiln
wow i'm trying to make MEstia happen and i naturally found ares in tart. 2 rerolls and no attack
wow
proper furnace
Nice
past zinc
what's the highest single instance of damage u can get? my highest rn is with crit arthur but I feel like bow or spear could do more than 1300 in 1 hit
proper furnace
Clockets + eris ig with your usual rd + ichors
If you want the absolute theorical look at the dad fight of the eris route
tight basin
5 casts mirage trippy beo lol
chilly loom
triple bomb-less lucy is pretty sad
ok.
I guess zeus would be good on the attack because of how frequent it is, right?
tight basin
yes
tight basin
eris except you get budget clockets in 1 hammer
chilly loom
wouldnt the hammer with the description "your igneus eden hellfire radiates 250% damage in a larger area" be a must too?
I mean thats a lot of damage
random relic
no
sadly that doesnt affect the actual blast damage
it only affects the little pulses
valid dagger
ye
And you're usually gonna be exploding them all the time
So the pulses will barely do any damage compared to other sources
plain river
How good is eternal chamber on luci?
valid dagger
A meme mostly
random relic
its a downgrade tbh
valid dagger
Managing your reload isnt hard and there are better options
tight basin
how much damage does the beam do per tick with eternal?
random relic
10
valid dagger
2
random relic
it doesnt ramp
tight basin
yeah i was aware it doesn't ramp but i dont know the base damage lol
twin cloak
eternal chamber only good with meme lucy builds
plain river
Base is 10
I’ve only had eternal chamber on super soaker
how bad is arte or aphrodite on luci attack? Really bad?
strange lark
yeah
lavish trail
wow i'm trying to make MEstia happen and i naturally found ares in tart. 2 rero...
That's my main build and man I hate when that happens
lone jetty
A percentage attack isn’t horrible if you’re decent at keeping the beam on a baddie for the ramp-up damage but it’s a lot more work than just using Zeus attack
dreamy prism
tbh I don't think eternal is really a downgrade on lucy
at least as second hammer
the vast majority of damage after tartarus and asphodel becomes jolted and triple bomb so attack not scaling isn't really a big deal
but yeah since you're using special to cancel reload anyways it's not really helpful either
strange lark
it just doesnt do anything
youre literally never gonna stand still and hold attack
and losing damage ramping is a little sad
dreamy prism
yeah
random relic
tbh I don't think eternal is really a downgrade on lucy
i mean you lose out on like 30 damage each time you attack
which is just worse
you never use the full 20 anyway
dreamy prism
but it won't kill you like cursed slash
valid dagger
Yea
random relic
well yeah but it is still definitely worse than not having it
iron barn
does the game actually tell you anywhere directly that the damage ramps
i was kinda confused when i saw the hammers for the first time
tight basin
I don't think it tells you but by playing it you should probably figure it out
Or even test it on skelly
plain river
It’s like .75 per tick or something
tight basin
Full blast with no boons is something like 375 so you should probably figure out that going from 10 to 375 is probably not linear
plain river
Full blast with no boons is something like 375 so you should probably figure out...
and to 370 per clip with nothing else
Unless wiki is wrong idk
random relic
It says .75 per tick
huh weird
tight basin
and to 370 per clip with nothing else
I just tested it last night or something it was 37something so you might be right
But close enough
plain river
It says .75 per tick
But if that’s true then I put that in a spreadsheet it only goes to 342.5 per clip so
random relic
I hate lucifer
why
dreamy prism
I hate lucifer
same
oh we're not talking about characters in christian mythology are we
strange lark
I hate Lucifer
chilly loom
why
the lucifer run I just did was awful
Honestly I just really dont like rail in general tbh
very reliant on specific things
and then I dont get those things
dreamy prism
based, rail is an awful weapon
chilly loom
and then its just annoying
Also I finally had the thing with meg saying she was only fighting me because she had to
i can finally give her ambrosia
random relic
based, rail is an awful weapon
hey it has 4 good aspects
no other weapon can say that
dreamy prism
yeah and there are 24 aspects
proper furnace
bow
chilly loom
bow <:volfredthink:459075378091393034>
this
random relic
bow <:volfredthink:459075378091393034>
chiron
proper furnace
is still good lol
chilly loom
good on low heat
strange lark
Chiron is the best bow aspect
strange lark
Fists
dreamy prism
you're still bad on low heat
strange lark
Sword
random relic
nem actually pog
chilly loom
sword is better than fists
dreamy prism
zag fists <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
plume RR zfists 
strange lark
Zag sword pog
random relic
plume RR zfists <:zagluv:687002515069468715>
ah the classic 30 minute run build
strange lark
sword is better than fists
This is true
random relic
yeah sword is definitely better than fists
also i actually dont know which owo is slowest
strange lark
Probably fists
proper furnace
fowo probably
random relic
yeah fowo not great
dreamy prism
Probably fists
can't you just get four tart MEs
random relic
i suppose showo has beo
strange lark
4 ME aspects 😫
strange lark
i suppose showo has beo
2 zag aspects 1 ME 1 beo
dreamy prism
i suppose showo has beo
beo and 3 zshields
random relic
beo and 3 zshields
strange lark
beo and 3 zshields
Die
dreamy prism
in asphodel I threw my unbuffed special somewhere between waves and it spawnkilled a dracon
I can see why people think this aspect isn't entirely a badzag
strange lark
You just suck at regular Zeus shield
dreamy prism
no I was using it optimally
strange lark
Which is understandable because you need a massive brain like me to use it
dreamy prism
that is also true
random relic
You just suck at regular Zeus shield
yeah this pretty much
i mean a 50 is a 50 but that was too cursed
random relic
true
tight basin
What is ME?
merciful end
tight basin
And what is owo
one weapon only
it's a type of speedrun where you go through every aspect of the weapon
dreamy prism
It doesn't count it just means he can clear 50 heat zag shield 3 times
but not 53 apparently
I did 3h of attempts and got nothing which made me incredibly sad
chilly loom
can't you just get four tart MEs
I just dont understand the conversation from here lol
random relic
the owos are swowo spowo showo bowo fowo and rowo
rowo is by far the fastest because it has 4 good aspects
chilly loom
2 zag aspects 1 ME 1 beo
What about this?
random relic
zag aspect means aspects of zagreus
you play chaos shield and zag shield the exact same
chilly loom
Yeah but what do they mean by that
tight basin
chaos shield is basically aspectless shield because you dont really want to use the special
random relic
Yeah but what do they mean by that
those are the 4 aspects you have to do in the speedrun
zagreus, chaos, zeus, and beowulf
zagreus and chaos play the exact same so its 2 zag aspects
chilly loom
But why do they say ME?
chilly loom
zagreus and chaos play the exact same so its 2 zag aspects
AH OK
random relic
because the speedrun build for zeus shield is ME
chilly loom
Thanks
chilly loom
because the speedrun build for zeus shield is ME
Oh, I'll have to try it out.
random relic
funnily enough its also the most consistent ME aspect because it doesnt need ddash
tight basin
is it ares special athena atk or other way?
random relic
either way works
tight basin
weird
random relic
you kinda just start ares and take whatever is better
benefit of ares on special is that lower rarities arent as bad as attack
benefit of athena on special is giant deflection disk
tight basin
zeus shield is too weird for me to understand lmao
dreamy prism
first get charged shot and aphrodite attack
then I'm legally not allowed to continue
chilly loom
What
chilly loom
Are you sure
tight basin
it's not technically a boon right since it doesnt show in the boon menu
random relic
Are you sure
absolutely positive
dreamy prism
it sucks I hate it so much
chilly loom
Wait sunken treasure is the one that gives you a random assortment of coins, darkness etc. right?
random relic
i died
random relic
Wait sunken treasure is the one that gives you a random assortment of coins, dar...
yes
random relic
i got arty and pos in pool but couldnt get their cores at the same time
so i couldnt highroll mirage
i didnt have snow burst either
my entire buiold was dem attack aphro cast and rav will
which isnt bad ig but its not great
random relic
nah disagree
chilly loom
Whats p1p3
random relic
phase one phase 3
chilly loom
And what is "patty"
random relic
patroclus
strange lark
Daddy
chilly loom
phase one phase 3
Ah ok
strange lark
He's mid
dreamy prism
sisyphus is better to see
random relic
chilly loom
patty is like insanely amazing for high heat
But isnt it hard to preserve the attack buff?
dreamy prism
+100% total health < +100 gold
chilly loom
Like what if you get him early
random relic
But isnt it hard to preserve the attack buff?
you dont want the attack buff
you want touch of styx dark
tight basin
for high heat anyways
chilly loom
you want touch of styx dark
Whats that
chilly loom
That's really good
random relic
yeah
if you get a 2 sack it lasts into hades fight no matter where you get it in elysium
chilly loom
Oh it isnt infinite?
chilly loom
Ah ok
dreamy prism
unironically should be infinite to make unmodded less unbearable
random relic
true
humble cliff
I'm on my 5th run and so far let me just say.... poseidon all the way. That dash power is just... damn
hard briar
I'm on my 5th run and so far let me just say.... poseidon all the way. That dash...
have you tried athena's dash yet?
strange lark
Idk man as
dreamy prism
someone with over
lucid oar
10 40 heat wins
dreamy prism
under my belt
random relic
someone with over
its around
strange lark
Smh you ruined it
random relic
he ruined it long before i did
eternal comet
guyys any 32 heat builds?
im 80 hrs in with all aspects and keepsakes so anything is good
lucid oar
Hestia with Aphrodite attack and divine dash
strange lark
beo with poseidon cast artemis cast mirage shot free win
random relic
a lot of aoe on hestia comes from tidal dash
lucid oar
Probably the easiest way to do 32
eternal comet
ok
random relic
divine dash is also ok for safety
random relic
beo with poseidon cast artemis cast mirage shot free win
this is also insane gamer and can instaphase dad if you get a good build
strange lark
yeah
random relic
the easy way to play it is to just reload and then dash attack and then repeat
strange lark
throw in some specials while you reload too
eternal comet
ooo ok
random relic
and yeah special occasionally
random relic
np