its like beo but better
#h1-builds-and-combat
random relic
oblique cairn
but i could get it, i have over 20 titan blood
dreamy prism
hot take: beo is the same thing as hera
anyways yeah I would recommend getting beowulf, it's broken as hell
oblique cairn
yeah but i kinda felt like playing with shield
dreamy prism
beowulf is the least shield of the shields since it's a cast based aspect
if you like the base shield gameplay, zagreus aspect is incredibly strong and costs just 5 blood to max out
dreamy prism
so for zag shield you wanna lean on the attack
the best choices are rare+ rarity aphrodite or artemis
dreamy prism
good luck
oblique cairn
thanks
dreamy prism
if you see the hammer "charged shot" pick it up instantly
proper furnace
hot take: beo is the same thing as hera
coldest take i've seen
dreamy prism
coldest take i've seen
the two aspects are literally identical in every way
it's just different cosmetics
proper furnace
i mean i think we all know that hera and beo are the same lmao
"hera but buggier" is a know name for beo
random relic
nah hera is just better beo tbh
i still cant believe they created 2 weapons with the exact same gimmick though lmao
proper furnace
nah hera is just better beo tbh
beo is safer
also i cant play flurry hera to save my life :c
dreamy prism
i still cant believe they created 2 weapons with the exact same gimmick though l...
same thing with eris and lucifer
both are just super soaker aspects
random relic
yeah not too sure about that one
there are a lot of weird aspects that just seem objectively inferior to others
like as a castspect i feel like achilles is just way better than pos sword
proper furnace
i feel like they do different things tbh, achilles i enjoy it a lot more for the non lodging casts unless i have quick reload
pos is fun for some phalanx shot fun, can do crush shot too but im bad at the short range (where hera goes brrr)
oblique cairn
finished, got charged shot as my 2nd hammer
proper furnace
Cshot 
strange lark
cshet my belovd
oblique cairn
got rare artemis attack
aphrodite special
athena cast and dash, wanted to get aphrodite dash but didn't get it
strange lark
doesnt really matter all you need is one boon and cshot
oblique cairn
no death defiances used
strange lark
nice
plain river
Nice
oblique cairn
support fire, hunter's mark, heart rend
also got +3 dashes from hermes so i was zoomin
oh yeah, also my 1st hammer was dashing wallop which i think is pretty good
also got sweet surrender and unhealthy fixation from aphrodite
probably all of the important stuff
it was a good run
dreamy prism
dashing wallop is good
plain river
Is ferocious guard a good hammer to pick up on shield? I usually pick it up because it seems good and if I end up getting rush delivery it helps even more
strange lark
ye
proper furnace
global dmg gud
dreamy prism
oh I mean of all the shields beo likes it the most
plain river
oh I mean of all the shields beo likes it the most
Since the bulk of beo’s damage is from casting which is usually hard to get % damage for?
plain river
I figure zeus shield likes it as well if you’re building zeus and more zeus or me
dreamy prism
too bad for zeus I'm gonna run 50 on it as bad zshield with cshot
lucid oar
And for second hammer you just want cshot
dreamy prism
yeah might as well
cunning urchin
Left?
dreamy prism
shield has a lot of stinkers tbh so I'm happy to take ferocious over a lot of other awful crap
lucid oar
Nah
cunning urchin
lucid oar
Dashing flight 🗿😍
dreamy prism
dashing flight is a downgrade on a move that already downgrades you
gamer hammer
oh wait that's dread flight
plain river
Does explosive return get affected by your special boon?
cunning urchin
Sudden Rush is pretty great on Zeus Aspect.
cunning urchin
Does explosive return get affected by your special boon?
Yes.
strange lark
dread flight is actually an upgrade youre just using it wrong
dreamy prism
ok thanks for changing my mind
cunning urchin
It's called Dread Flight because shield players dread it.
lucid oar
“I like it” - rmacinty, 2020, 4 days after buying hades, 3rd chamber of elysium
cunning urchin
It's called Dread Flight because shield players dread it.
I feel like that's the smartest thing anyone's ever said here.
My job here is done.
proper furnace
this exists so nah
proper furnace
I skipped gud and went right up to best.
nice, also cute emote
dreamy prism
Idk man as someone with around 10 0 heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Drunken Dash over pretty much everything unless…the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Drunken Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 2.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
cunning urchin
Thanks, it's from one of my favorite streamers.
cunning urchin
Idk man as someone with around 10 0 heat runs under my belt I will literally alw...
And it's amazing for proccing Privileged Status, too.
lucid oar
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strange lark
facts
random relic
Idk man as someone with around 10 0 heat runs under my belt I will literally alw...
epic drunken dash is actually kinda good on chiron
but thats also every dash on chiron
dreamy prism
sus but also kinda true
plain river
epic drunken dash is actually kinda good on chiron
Common drunken dash heroic peer pressure 😎
twin cloak
but thats also every dash on chiron
true i really like hunter dash chiron
proper furnace
#h1-for-new-players message
@desert pendant about the mirror choices, mirror guide by Mike
desert pendant
thanks
proper furnace
Is easier to read their post about why some choices are "weird"
Tho everything is fine for casual gameplay
tho i will advice for dark foresight 24/7 anyways
desert pendant
wow that's a really good guide, thanks a lot!
dreamy prism
dark foresight is good because it's both optimal and more fun
soft kiln
I had no idea drunken dash was that good
I have taken it less than a handful of times
Is it basically like dio call where it's great if you don't have another source of hangover?
zeus is just bad with nemesis right
dreamy prism
yeah
plain river
there is no reason to take zeus on nemesis
dreamy prism
99% sure crit doesn't apply to it
proper furnace
yeah crit is just for attack
plain river
99% sure crit doesn't apply to it
100% sure it doesn’t
proper furnace
there is no reason to take zeus on nemesis
zeus call 
soft kiln
it's nto that bad right
proper furnace
thunder dash is kinda weird on sword
dreamy prism
oh nice bugs
proper furnace
it causes dash strikes to stick to 1 direction even if you dash strike to another
dreamy prism
if not for bug then thunder dash isn't awful but cast is best
proper furnace
also yeah cast is nice
soft kiln
huh what a weird bug
proper furnace
some tart shredder
plain river
R O D on nemesis gaming?
soft kiln
oh fair i can force arty in asphodel if i don't find her
plain river
arte attack is good on nemesis I think since you just get other sources of damage % and you have big attack
Right?
soft kiln
yeah
soft kiln
ares special sort of ok here? give me the chance for vengeance build
just found double edge
😄
proper furnace
save for possible aphro/athena if you are gonna force arte
plain river
Vengefull mood would just be stealing duo slots
soft kiln
i guess i could go health up instead fo ares
proper furnace
avoiding gods that cant help up your build much is nice
gotta keep that god pool clean
tight basin
sometimes having less is more lol
less things to pom, more likely to get the duos you want
soft kiln
i think i have every duo for the run we were talking about above
smair, rod, master bolt (apollo/zeus), heart rend
tight basin
what does master bolt do?
soft kiln
oh and hyacinth (apollo/aphro)
soft kiln
what does master bolt do?
enemies with blind are hit by a lightning bolt every second for 40 damage
i have apollo dash so that's like everybody
tight basin
oh kinda like rod with less steps
soft kiln
yeah i like it alot. i just like the duos that let me focus on a different god but still get zeus perks. or rather lets me not use zeus attacks and stil get zeus perks
hyacinth is enemies with blind AND weak shatter at 30%
so kinda like that demeter one
it doesn't work on bosses though
tight basin
ah that sounds more balanced lol
soft kiln
yeah would have been bonkers against bosses
soft kiln
cp?
soft kiln
oh yeah i guess it would
i mean you're still dealing with 30% more health than you would if you didn't have it
or somewhere thereabouts
tight basin
wdym
because if they shatter at 30% left, the extra 30% is gone
ofc except against bosses
soft kiln
so 130-30 is 100
but without cp
it's 100-30 is 70
so it's still more than you would have to deal with without cp
tight basin
oh i see
soft kiln
but i guess if you were always comfortable with their normal health then it wouldn't make a difference sure
tight basin
yeah that's the point i was trying to make
it's a near free 2 heat except against bosses
soft kiln
at what point does the free heat really feel like a difference?
even at 15 it's not too different from no heat
or at least it has gradually become basically the same
tight basin
well CP is like one of the worst pacts in the game lol
more hp, more room for error, need to ramp up your damage faster
and ofc more time against bosses
all for a measly 1 heat per level
random relic
i mean there is no "free heat" (especially at like 40+) but theres some that barely make a difference. anything below 40 is reasonable to manage once you get better at the game but there are some pacts that make the game absurdly hard at higher heat levels (ap2/em4/ri1/ri2/ri3/ri4/cp2/js3ish)
imo td is the only "free heat" in the game
and that only applies until you get to like 55+ i think
soft kiln
tbh td2 was a little jarring at first
i almost lost a run because i didn't find the satyr sack until the 5th chamber
random relic
yeah once youre comfortable with whatever td level though the existence of a timer doesnt make a difference
random relic
i almost lost a run because i didn't find the satyr sack until the 5th chamber
ok yeah 5 sacks are pretty rough lol
soft kiln
against hades i wasn't even trying to dodge
just like button mashing damage hoping for the best
tight basin
timer do be like that lmao
soft kiln
ok i'm not sure what most of those abbreviations are but i can definitely understand how it compounds
also i hate em2. i just stand in so much fire
soft kiln
at this point i'm at over 100 runs, not sure how many wins and most of them were em2
still suck at it :p i donno what it's about
dreamy prism
EM2 sucks
tight basin
it really does yeah
random relic
i dont even remember what emless lernie looks like
dreamy prism
you get an acre of dry land to hang out on
random relic
all i know is em lernie
soft kiln
i dont even remember what emless lernie looks like
lol
random relic
you get an acre of dry land to hang out on
holy wtf that sound broken
soft kiln
yeah it's chill af
dreamy prism
yeah it's absurd how much space there is
random relic
that sounds way too easy lol
tight basin
big arena, lernie at the middle top, heads at the bottom edges that pop out
dreamy prism
all the homies hate superlernie
soft kiln
i remember dying to lernie a few times in my first few runs
twin cloak
the center even has a lernie face on it
soft kiln
like...i donno how i could die there
random relic
im so used to hanging out on the edges of em lernie arena trying to not get ground pounded
those 32 damage ground pounds are kinda bs
dreamy prism
every time lernie is about to ground pound flip a coin
if it lands heads you take damage
dreamy prism
lernie got that hestia aspect equipped lowkey
random relic
lmao yeah
dreamy prism
nah would rather reset in tart for 30 minutes and do heat
wait a minute is that all this game is
random relic
but zoom
dreamy prism
ME fans be like
strange lark
just reset in tart for 30 minutes and get a pb
More like 5 days
random relic
in heat its more like tart/furies/aspho/lernie/ely/heroes/dad deaths instead of resets tho
dreamy prism
tbh failure in speedrunning is probably less mentally taxing than failure in heat
soft kiln
are you that comparitively weak at heat? (i assume that jargon means high heat?)
dreamy prism
monkey brain likes winning
random relic
tbh failure in speedrunning is probably less mentally taxing than failure in hea...
ehhhhhh depends
in heat you get to see other biomes 
dreamy prism
true
and one thing about speedrunning is that every mistake shows in the end result
whereas for heat it doesn't matter how close it was as long as you won
random relic
the most mentally taxing part of speedrunning this game is that you never see anything that isnt tart
strange lark
ME fans be like
It's every aspect
random relic
and one thing about speedrunning is that every mistake shows in the end result
that is true
that bad tart midshop that lost you 4 seconds couldve meant a 4 second faster run
dreamy prism
you know I was just reminded how cool chaos shield flavor is
nice touch on a dumpster aspect
random relic
true
strange lark
and one thing about speedrunning is that every mistake shows in the end result
Nah I've definitely not gotten a 6:59.9x at 32 heat
Definitely didn't get a cast bug and 2 darknesses in the hades fight
random relic
actually lmao
strange lark
Definitely didn't get barged and bullman
random relic
wait isnt your any heat pb like high 6 anyway
strange lark
6:43
random relic
no way you have a 32 heat sub 7
strange lark
Unrecorded
random relic
ok like mid-high 6
strange lark
no way you have a 32 heat sub 7
I do
random relic
sus tbh
strange lark
strange lark
It's non magnil, wmic, nephio 32 heat unmodded unseeded hades Speedrun wr
strange lark
How did you watch that so fast
random relic
How did you watch that so fast
28x speed
strange lark
Makes sense
soft kiln
is that how you get good at speedruns? you watch everything at 28x speed so when you do it for real you're thinking like quicksilver?
strange lark
is that how you get good at speedruns? you watch everything at 28x speed so when...
Yes
plain river
Abyssal blood > boiling blodd every weapon every day of the week
random relic
is that how you get good at speedruns? you watch everything at 28x speed so when...
nah you just gotta play more
ive never tried to get good at something that im good at in my life
i just do it so much to the point that i naturally become good at it
secret to get good at anything tbh
tight basin
lmao yeah a lot of it comes through with experience
learning builds as well
and ofc watching other speed runners and seeing what they do
iirc haelian has a guide for speedrunning
soft kiln
who?
i'd be curious to check it out, although mostly for game nuance lessons and not so much because i care about going fast
tight basin
youtuber who plays a lot of roguelite games
he's done a lot of hades content, playing more variety now i think
pretty sure he's got a playlist for hades speedrunning tech
tight basin
i'd be curious to check it out, although mostly for game nuance lessons and not ...
tbh going fast kinda comes with having a good build and learning things in general
when to use meg, having a good mirror, using good keepsakes, optimizing builds
plain river
when to use meg, having a good mirror, using good keepsakes, optimizing builds
When to use antos* /j
tight basin
lmao
twin cloak
Why is zagbow actually cracked lmao
tight basin
free crit chance lol
twin cloak
what do you mean chiron isn't good for high heat smh
steep socket
Oh yeah speaking of this, how about Sword and Spear? Does boon like Aphrodite better than Ares for their normal attack?
dreamy prism
Oh yeah speaking of this, how about Sword and Spear? Does boon like Aphrodite be...
ares is pretty much never the right choice for your main damager outside of merciful end
random relic
hunting blades kinda good
shell sleet
It's non magnil, wmic, nephio 32 heat unmodded unseeded hades Speedrun wr
wow thats a very nice record
valid dagger
Oh yeah speaking of this, how about Sword and Spear? Does boon like Aphrodite be...
Really depends on the Aspect
On Spears you’re never actually hunting for Aphro’s attack
Ares’ attack is also not very recommended but it works on Zag spear with Merciful End
For Swords you can go for Merciful End on the main 3 swords, or on Nemesis you can focus on crits or use a big attack, so Aphro attack works, can go for stuff like Hunter Dash etc
Arthur is built similarly
Just might swap the Dash for a good cast or call if you’re not dash striking as much, or use Divine dash
dense basin
Aphro is universally good for attack on 3 aspects. For Poseidon aspect not sure - I would focus on good cast and then Artemis attack
cunning urchin
Aphro is universally good for attack on 3 aspects. For Poseidon aspect not sure ...
Still very good, but Cast is better.
dense basin
You mean Artemis cast for Poseidon aspect? Seems solid too
cunning urchin
No, Crush Shot.
dense basin
Oh yeah, but its short range makes it annoying to use even though with sword you're close to enemy
cunning urchin
As in, Heartbreak Strike is still very good on Poseidon Aspect, but Crush Shot is better so might as well take that.
Crush Shot with some poms and Snow Burst is very safe.
Since everything just dies.
proper furnace
Crush shot gud, but im bad at it (with pos sword) 
cunning urchin
Crush shot gud, but im bad at it (with pos sword) <:squirtnya:472124054644457472...
Just mash Cast.
proper furnace
I did that and i died tho 
cunning urchin
Mashed too slow.
dense basin
I liked Phalanx Shot with athena zeus duo, it was hilarious how quickly killed mobs in satyr's lair
proper furnace
Il keep my big deflect hitbox
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot is also very strong, yeah.
dense basin
Crush Shot with some poms and Snow Burst is very safe.
🤔 good idea. So it works like with Beowulf shield
cunning urchin
I guess lol.
cunning urchin
Il keep my big deflect hitbox
Your big deflect hitbox that's flying somewhere to the other end of the map on magma or out of bounds.
dense basin
I mean if for some reason I lose cast then with Artemis attack I had some kinda of half of Nemesis sword for backup
cyan saddle
whats a good build for chiron
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish and their respective Duo Boons.
proper furnace
Your big deflect hitbox that's flying somewhere to the other end of the map on m...
Is part of the fun™
dense basin
Dio on special
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish start and then get Sea Storm and Tidal Dash.
strange lark
yeah take her special
soft kiln
so drunk dash over others if the build doesn't need the dash? is there a rarity cutoff? common drunk dash seems underwhelming
short lintel
is any build related to ||aspect of arthur|| better than the crit dash strike build of nemesis for the sword?
dense basin
Hard to say if better but solid one is aphro attack, artemis cast/aid, athena special and dash then female gods duos
Tanky plus damaging
short lintel
which duo was that?
soft kiln
obviously he's talking about cold embrace
short lintel
bro i dont know what im talking about in any of this
what makes you think i'd know that
lmao
soft kiln
it's Deadly Reversal and Heart Rend I'm just kidding
Cold Embrace is the Demeter/Aphrodite duo that makes the demeter cast target you
short lintel
oooh lmao
soft kiln
Deadly Reversal = Artemis/Athena, crit chance for 2 seconds after deflecting
short lintel
ope
soft kiln
Heart Rend = Aphro/Artemis, 150% extra crit damage on weak targets
so you can see why those three goddesses work well together
short lintel
wait so arthur builds like nemesis?
proper furnace
is any build related to ||aspect of arthur|| better than the crit dash strike bu...
better for what exactly?
for heat arthur is comfy till you go somewhat really high
soft kiln
arthur hits so hard that if you're not dying it really doesn't matter as long as your attack is high damage
personally i think arthur feels awful to play but that's just me
short lintel
im not sure rn
soft kiln
It is
oh @dreamy prism was preaching about how powerful it is yesterday. maybe i missed the sarcasm?
short lintel
my main goal is to 100% hades
then go from there
im just looking at steam achievements as of now
dreamy prism
oh <@279126808455151628> was preaching about how powerful it is yesterday. mayb...
yeah they call it trash dash
short lintel
so the highest the heat goes isnt high at all
just about 16 for skelly
so would arthur or nemesis be better for low heat situations
dreamy prism
arthur
soft kiln
yeah they call it trash dash
oh ok. i really thought the logic of if you don't have another hangover source taking it was pretty sound but i guess i'm wrong.
maybe the numbers should just be higher. like common starting at 6 or something
soft kiln
so the highest the heat goes isnt high at all
doesn't heat go up to like 64
lucid oar
Sgg want achievements to be fairly accessable
It’s why there’s no achievement for 32 even though there’s a statue
short lintel
alright so whats the most optimized build for arthur, heart rend with other things or anything better?
random relic
why is 32 relevant besides the statue?
thats the only reason it is, but its considered one of the standard heat levels you do when going up in heat
32, 40, 45, and 50
random relic
you just go from 32 to 40?
most people do when climbing heat i think
strange lark
i went from 20 heat guan yu to 45
random relic
damn really?
strange lark
ye
random relic
wow
twin cloak
40 free with eris smh
strange lark
i dont think ive ever won a run with delta above 32 heat
random relic
seriously lol
strange lark
proof delta sucks
lucid oar
True
random relic
all you know is clockets smh
strange lark
ye
random relic
delta makes the first 2 biomes easier so i prefer it
random relic
if you get clockets in early ely tho then the rest of the game is a breeze
twin cloak
just make a mod that lets you choose what the anvil does so you can turn your delta into clockets on styx
random relic
i still cant believe you have a sub 7 32 with 2x darkness lol
strange lark
abyssal blood be like
random relic
just make a mod that lets you choose what the anvil does so you can turn your de...
or turn your other hammer into clockets
strange lark
delta hazard into delta clockets
random relic
anyway back to resetting on tart for an hour
i really hate the difference between hammer start and no hammer start
lucid oar
Just do no reset runs
random relic
Just do no reset runs
ah yes, and get a pb from a 4:30 aspho leave
lucid oar
Ye
random relic
thatll work
lucid oar
It’s doable
strange lark
magnil with his 6:15 32 wr from a 4:xx aspho exit
strange lark
50 second ely
strange lark
4:06 -> 4:59
random relic
thats insane
lucid oar
In the vod you can just hear him laughing as he gets free room after free room
strange lark
lucid oar
11:10 onwards
tight basin
you just go from 32 to 40?
well adding 1 heat at a time sometimes doesn't make it that much more challenging i think, so going from 32 to 40 is a sizeable increase to where you can actually see the difference and make changes accordingly
random relic
https://youtu.be/v6jtYfllO34
jesus christ thats a beautiful ely
the 2 combats that were there were amazing as well lol
random relic
anyway im going to go do some tart resetting
dreamy prism
where 50s
random relic
i tried doing zag shield but its boring and therefore hard
im not good at anything i dont like doing
random relic
where 50s
i already did one
ill probably push higher heats with eris before doing other 50s tbh
random relic
yeah and its boring and i dont like it
worst shield tbh
at least chaos is kinda gimmicky
dreamy prism
do zeus instead then
cunning urchin
im not good at anything i dont like doing
So you don't like doing anything?
dreamy prism
I watched angel's unmodded 60 so now I'm a zeus expert
random relic
So you don't like doing anything? <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
wrong causality
cunning urchin
Nope.
random relic
yep
that statements logic only flows one way
for your statement to make sense i wouldve had to say "i dont like doing anything im not good at"
cunning urchin
Nope.
random relic
hmmmmmmmmmm
cunning urchin
The premise implied in my message was that you're not good at anything. 'Twas a joke.
random relic
well obviously, but the causality doesnt work
cunning urchin
Bruh.
dreamy prism
it's true though
I started a fresh hell mode file and did mirrorless lvl1 eris 50 immediately after unlocking it
cunning urchin
I watched angel's unmodded 60 so now I'm a zeus expert
I can confirm that's how becoming an expert works.
soft kiln
im not good at anything i dont like doing
Ooh more ADHD brain. I feel this so hard.
random relic
lmao
soft kiln
What's hell mode?
strange lark
thing you can turn on when creating a new save file
makes you start with hl lc js cp and new hell mode condition called personal liability
also disables god mode
tight basin
No invincibility after you take a large chunk of damage so that's fun
soft kiln
In addition to heat?
soft kiln
I swear Ive already seen the no invincibility thing
So personal liability doesn't exist in the normal game?
strange lark
no
soft kiln
I'm gonna have to double check my save file. I might have been accidentally in hell mode from the start.
strange lark
probably your mods
cause here you have it disabled
which cant happen in the normal game
soft kiln
Oh hell mode never disables personal liability?
strange lark
yeah
soft kiln
Huh ive always had the pact option itself available.
I wonder if it's because I transfered my save from a copy of the game I didn't necessarily buy
I have since bought it on steam I mean
strange lark
proven osprey
iron barn
is shadow presence or fiery presence better for me on nemesis
i assume it shouldnt matter too much since neither affects doom
strange lark
fiery
gusty rapids
fiery is very helpful for tartarus, when you don’t have your ME build online yet
dense basin
Somehow ME build doesn't seem fitting for a aspect which resolves around critting like crazy
tight basin
Somehow ME build doesn't seem fitting for a aspect which resolves around crittin...
ME has more possible DPS with melee weapons such as sword and fists, but there are other builds that are just more consistent and easier to get
if you're using ME with nemesis you're just playing like zag sword ME with free crit chances after a special lol
dense basin
I can understand Zagreus aspect for sword and for fists overall
For Nemesis I preffer to crit all day - it's enough to quickly dispatch mobs
strange lark
you use dashstrikes for sword
so ME would work on all the aspects
except for arthur
tight basin
For Nemesis I preffer to crit all day - it's enough to quickly dispatch mobs
i'm pretty sure ME will dispatch mobs faster than a standard crit build on nemesis, the issue is that it takes too long to actually get going and crit builds are just faster and easier to build towards
strange lark
crit builds will kill things faster than ME when you get like 10 chaos dash strike boons
tight basin
True
Just get dedge and 5 chaos atk/dash strike boons
Dedge will split the amount of chaos needed
dense basin
What is average ME dmg anyway? Cause it seems simillar
tight basin
200+ for the atk doom damage not including other modifiers like impending doom or dire misfortune
dense basin
Even without all chaos buffs you can get attack crits for 300 - 400. Combining with degde that's a lot of dps
tight basin
with impending doom it's like another 65% on top of that, not including poms on that
tight basin
if it's not a common doom lmao
strange lark
us speedrunners reset for epic doom
proper furnace
or cope with rare
gusty rapids
doom scales off of impending, global, and poms. crit scales off of chaos, jerkies, and global
tbh i don’t think doom has more scaling options; poms being useful is great for sure, but it’s like the only thing you can use bar impending to actually scale
strange lark
doom procs pstatus easier 🗿
gusty rapids
hmm
soft kiln
starting with zeus attack on demeter fist
given the option would you take a hammer or a chaos room
dreamy prism
given the option would you take a hammer or a chaos room
chaos is always good, hammers are skippable because they come back
soft kiln
i knew hammer 2 was skippable i wasn't sure how skippable 1 was
dreamy prism
1 is skippable too
random relic
1 is skippable but less skippable than 2
dreamy prism
also fists don't have a critical hammer like other weapons
breaching is nice but not make or break
random relic
yeah exactly
random relic
ew draining cutter
it requires you to kill something with your special and not ME lmao
soft kiln
i keep trying to me and it never wokrs out
like i'll win but it's harder than it needed to be
dreamy prism
if you're not being an ME sweatstain standard dem builds like it
strange lark
draining cutter is bad
soft kiln
i like draining cutter in theory but even though the special is strong
dreamy prism
rude
soft kiln
you still don't use it constantly
dreamy prism
you can punch tiny rats for big heal
soft kiln
doesn't that just lead to getting eaten by other rats
strange lark
you can punch tiny rats for big heal
the one situation where draining cutter is good
bad everywhere else
dreamy prism
doesn't that just lead to getting eaten by other rats
nah you often get ratspammed in styx
rooms that are nothing but tiny rats and make you wanna delete the game
tight basin
Great for farming on draining cutter but that's about it lol
plain river
How good is using special on rama?
strange lark
60% attack damage extremely mid imo
tight basin
It's extra damage against the same target
Also can easily remove DC if you're using that
plain river
I’ve got a 9 damage hangover on it nearing the end of tart and have yet to find an attack boon 
dreamy prism
How good is using special on rama?
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
tight basin
I’ve got a 9 damage hangover on it nearing the end of tart and have yet to find ...
Lmfao what'd you start with
tight basin
Ah it do be like that
strange lark
thats when you reset
tight basin
Modded gaming moment
dreamy prism
modpack time
random relic
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
SO TRUE
soft kiln
would modding rama to have a regular speed attack fix it?
valid dagger
fix what
soft kiln
i mean what does it need to be useable and unique
soft kiln
so what is the play pattern with rama?
my one escape with it was just spamming special
dreamy prism
tag stuff with special, dash and charge a power shot on the biggest clump of things
proper furnace
tag room with special, 1 big attack and kill
strange lark
usually like special dash special and then setup for a big attack
dreamy prism
but yeah at lower heat you can get away with literally just special spamming
it's not as effective but it's brainless
strange lark
at high heat too
soft kiln
artemis attack? or does it want high %
proper furnace
even at higher
dreamy prism
bruh that sucks
strange lark
artemis attack? or does it want high %
arty is good
aphro is good too
mainly want just those two
valid dagger
Artemis attack is nice for bossing but can be a bit inconsistent with rooms sometimes
dreamy prism
even athena and dem if good rarity
valid dagger
I still take it
random relic
but yeah at lower heat you can get away with literally just special spamming
even in speedruns
strange lark
zeus dio and ares are good
random relic
special only rama holds the wr you know
dreamy prism
soft kiln
fo?
random relic
forced overtime
soft kiln
oh
random relic
pact condition
soft kiln
i knew it was a condition just not familiar with all the names yet
dreamy prism
there is a specific case for chill on special too
that's lowkey the best use case for killing freeze since it'll kick in for regular rooms too
soft kiln
which one is forced overtime again
dreamy prism
since you gotta special everything anyways
strange lark
which one is forced overtime again
fast enemies
proper furnace
+20% move speed/attack speed per level
soft kiln
is killing freeze the shatter at 10%?
random relic
which one is forced overtime again
increased move and attack speed on enemeis
proper furnace
is killing freeze the shatter at 10%?
dmg + slow if all enemies has chill
soft kiln
oh fo sounds terrifying
dreamy prism
forced overtime also adds +20% jank and bs damage per rank
proper furnace
also short names for pacts are pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
random relic
and boss fight is a lot more fun because of it
not boss fights, furies lernie and heroes are still boring
soft kiln
i guess i donno what i'm saying. i think my win streak is based entirely on the fact that i'm too used to 15 heat now
random relic
just hades really
soft kiln
i shouldn't be so scared
proper furnace
only downside of fo2 is that on the odd chance that you take it off, all the timings feel so bad lol
dreamy prism
FO1 in particular is kinda whatever
random relic
yeah id just go straight from fo0 to fo2
dreamy prism
FO2 is where some attacks become bs
random relic
unless youre on rama or arthur
soft kiln
asterius is probably the scariest part of it
strange lark
i havent gone lower than fo2 in over a year
random relic
same
dreamy prism
asterius is probably the scariest part of it
facts
strange lark
well on my main file
valid dagger
I havent gone over fo0 in my life
random relic
nah fo2 dad fight is still scarier than fo2 em3 fight imo
valid dagger
it's too scary
strange lark
facts
dreamy prism
FO2 EM asterius charge is messed up
strange lark
dodge it
dreamy prism
ok
random relic
FO2 EM asterius charge is messed up
so true
proper furnace
FO2 EM asterius charge is messed up
zooooooom>bonks you for 50+ dmg?
proper furnace
idk how much does the charge do it
soft kiln
does it make it any easier to dodge through him?
dreamy prism
many
soft kiln
since he's moving away from you too
random relic
hes definitely not moving away from you
valid dagger
Dash through something then dash back
strange lark
skill issue
random relic
i swear it cant be dodged
dreamy prism
I think you have to dash through as late as possible
proper furnace
wait for the charge attack does it combine both the move speed and the attack speed for it?
random relic
the undodgeable attack in hades the video game
random relic
wait for the charge attack does it combine both the move speed and the attack sp...
i dont think so
dreamy prism
*the* undodgeable attack in hades the video game
nah that award actually goes to random unarmored numbskulls when you're on a sticky aspect for literally no reason
random relic
I think you have to dash through as late as possible
so the advice is to risk getting hit to not get hit?
proper furnace
also i dont think i've tried to dodge the charge in ages
random relic
nah that award actually goes to random unarmored numbskulls when you're on a sti...
badcifer moment
soft kiln
i mean if he's charging at you and you want to dash through him isn't he moving away once you pass him?
proper furnace
i just iframe/block/tank if acorn
soft kiln
or does he just auto turn around
dreamy prism
he turns around with stupid speed
soft kiln
that's wildly unfair lol
valid dagger
he just goes around the pillar
I wonder why it works for me
proper furnace
depends the timing prob
dreamy prism
cheat engine
soft kiln
i just iframe/block/tank if acorn
tart god
aspho god
elysium/styx acorn keepsake?
dreamy prism
yeah acorn good in ely
soft kiln
just wondering because it's always so surprising that i don't start with gods a lot
dreamy prism
heroes hit really hard
proper furnace
just wondering because it's always so surprising that i don't start with gods a ...
ye
if acorn normally implies if i still have a charge left
dreamy prism
ok hourglass ely sweat
dreamy prism
apparently real gamers skull earring ely
soft kiln
i've been starting with gods a bit more recently because it is pretty irritating to leave tart with no direction
proper furnace
super bouldy
soft kiln
the furies are very annoying when you have nothing good
strange lark
the furies are very annoying when you have nothing good
i just reset so i dont have to deal with that
dreamy prism
https://youtu.be/4TBrZ8SFYfY?t=908
wow that's such a cool miniboss fight, is it DLC?
never seen it
soft kiln
when you say reset do you mean die
strange lark
yeah
strange lark
wow that's such a cool miniboss fight, is it DLC?
wait yeah i just realized 
bullrush is a lot easier to dodge in the heroes fight
literally cannot complain at that point
smh
random relic
never seen it
same
dreamy prism
too bad I'm still complaining
random relic
when you say reset do you mean die
i mean e+r+f+1
dreamy prism
isn't that the shortcut for activating 2sack just before styx
dreamy prism
if I saw that on beo I'd unironically pivot to special only for the memes
random relic
ikr
strange lark
then die to hades
random relic
and then charged flight
strange lark
yeah true
dreamy prism
wait special removes shield wtf
dreamy prism
why do you think chaos is so bad
absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that. beowulf is even worse. its way too slow and doesnt deal any damage whatsoever. i tested the dps of beowulf vs chaos shield on skelly and determined that chaos shield was actually way faster and was clearly easier to use. and realistically, the size of beowulfs cast makes it almost impossible to use. its so small that youd never see any real use of it. chaos shield on the other hand is so versatile with its shield throwing ability that goes much farther. the special on beowulf is absolute trash in comparison, and thats something you should really consider when choosing which aspect is better. the best cast, normally (slicing shot) is somehow terrible on beo and i dont even want to try any of the other casts for fear of how bad they are. zagreus is just boring. who thought adding more damage would be more fun?
maiden quiver
Why is skelly boy gone from weapon room?
dreamy prism
on strike
maiden quiver
strange lark
||just switch to a different weapon and he will come back||
dreamy prism
hades is recruiting bloodless from asphodel as strikebreakers
random relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845087923779141682/1003024144377597972/un...
that was the only free room in tart
strange lark
imagine getting free rooms
random relic
absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tel...
so true
chaos really is the best shield
maiden quiver
Btw the guns +300% but take damage with all critical boon is disgustingly op
I got 2k damage in a single hit
dreamy prism
based
strange lark
thats like 1 beowulf cast
dreamy prism
hazard is for real men
strange lark
hazard is for real men
average andrew tate fan
dreamy prism
it's okay but don't make the same mistake again
dreamy prism
average andrew tate fan
who
random relic
neither do i
strange lark
good
strange lark
he has a couple of those
valid dagger
I wish I didnt know
valid dagger
He's all over yt
dreamy prism
oh yikes
strange lark
dont think we should talk about him here
random relic
good idea
dreamy prism
hope he gets 5sacked
strange lark
i dont think you can target yourself
dreamy prism
I take targeting with hazard so often you'd think I'd know
dreamy prism
yeah I think they work really well together
hazard is base damage I think and targeting's slow helps with hazard's long travel time
random relic
oh true
god why does common rd even exist
rd should only ever be epic
im tempted to roll over it for epic
proper furnace
dont be greedy
dreamy prism
im tempted to roll over it for epic
this is your brain on eris
random relic
this is your brain on eris
what does this have to do with eris
strange lark
common rd is very very very good
dreamy prism
eris players exclusively know how to get pbs with extreme highroll
strange lark
im tempted to roll over it for epic
this is when you get common side hustle
random relic
hey my pbs arent extreme highroll
dreamy prism
they don't like a run unless it's splash dash arty special clockets with epic RD and 3 ichors
random relic
well my current one is but
random relic
they don't like a run unless it's splash dash arty special clockets with epic RD...
i feel like thats a reasonable request
strange lark
epic rd 3 ichors is not
strange lark
thats insanely high roll
dreamy prism
actually eris mains are addicted to trying for heroic RD
random relic
i swear like last 10 second hammers ive had none of them have been cluster
and then i get no free rooms in ely
random relic
strange lark
do you actually think epic rd 3 ichors is a reasonable request tho
random relic
no
strange lark
yeah
random relic
i had common rd 2 ichors tho
that was nice
almost epic rd no ichors
gods pride is fake honestly
it definitely doesnt work
proper furnace
both are a scam
proper furnace
then get bad news
strange lark
Legendary rd
random relic
i really hate picking up poseidon and having to reroll twice for dash
this game sucks
iron barn
i did like 10 runs today trying to run merciful end and didnt get doom higher than common a single time
with gods pride
+keepsake
dreamy prism
this is why ME sucks
lavish trail
Merciful end is my favorite duo to run in the game but it really is a mother to try to roll. I pom the hell out of my doom when I have it though
stray maple
i personally have a lot of fun with Ice Wine but thats only because i favor dio so much more than the others for pure fun factor
valid dagger
It’s nice on Achilles Spear
lavish trail
I literally never use Demeter boons tbh
What are some good Demeter builds even
I know there's the turret build which I've run a couple times, that's okay
tight basin
If you get Dem you'd rather have like Aphrodite because it does more damage and does damage reduction lol
Dem's legendary is neat it that's about it tbh
Ravenous will pretty decent as well but none of her core boons are great
dreamy prism
What are some good Demeter builds even
beowulf, aphrodite flare, demeter snow burst and/or attack, ravenous will, privileged status
this is probably the best build that forces dem alongside the equivalent version using hera, another decent one is chiron, aphrodite attack, dem special + arctic blast
lavish trail
Damn that means im gonna have to learn Beowulf I guess
tight basin
why do you need to use demeter tho?
strange lark
no its not
lucid oar
oh ok
random relic
dem cores suck but rav will snow burst and rare crop are awesome
snow burst is one of my favorite boons to see in tart on eris
besides like all the better ones
lucid oar
It’s a decent amount of damage when you’re casting as often as you do on beowulf and hera
Also good AOE
icy gale
oh that's true, you're doing it all the time
iron barn
why would you want snow burst on eris
lucid oar
Better than most other dem boons
strange lark
not better than nourished soul tho
lucid oar
true
dreamy prism
Hot take: I hate Poseidon builds
based
lavish trail
I just accidentally put poseidon on my demeter special without thinking and immediately regretted iot
at 19 heat ofc so now I gotta try to recover from that lmfao
sterile fiber
twin cloak
super soaker everything goes crazy
plain river
super soaker everything goes crazy
Super soaker goes crazy on everything
proper furnace
once you get a million global dmg
random relic
why would you want snow burst on eris
bc you cast all the time in tart on eris (idk about other aspects)
and it like doubles your cast damage
turbid needle
Can I hear a couple peoples personal tier lists of the weapons, I want to feel validated
lavish trail
Plain weapons or the aspects?
Because even the generally most mediocre weapons have sick aspects
I guess my favorite weapons total would go fists, gun, bow, spear, sword, shield, but each weapon has at least one s tier aspect once you learn it
turbid needle
I personally would like to know aspects, because I can’t stop using Lucifer and I feel like I should
lavish trail
Aspect of Poseidon with Exit Wounds goes NUTS, Aspect of Achilles with Hunting Blades will kill Hades in literally 5 attacks, Demeter Fists with Merciful End will drain enemies like a sieve, Chiron bow with Dionysus special is super super fun, and my highest heat clear is the Hestia rail with Shackle equipped
tight basin
beowulf and rama have pretty good instaphase abilities so i like those a lot
pos sword proper poms can do the same
tight basin
bosses have invulnerability phases right
some weapons have potential to get them to that point immediately
lavish trail
i have 200+ hours but I'm new to the community so I'm catching up on shorthand
tight basin
point__s__ depending on the boss ofc
tight basin
i have 200+ hours but I'm new to the community so I'm catching up on shorthand
ah fair enough
turbid needle
I kinda hate most of the aspects
tight basin
took a lot of time for me to learn a lot of stuff too lol, esp pact shorthand
tight basin
I kinda hate most of the aspects
good chance you didn't use a good build with it if that's the case
i dont necessarily hate many aspects, most of them are pretty good
turbid needle
Probably, I like most of the aspects mentioned above
lavish trail
There are a bunch of aspects that aren't even good until you've leveled them up
tight basin
but some are just terrible lmao
turbid needle
But Nemesis is bad right?
lavish trail
Others are just worse versions of other ones
lavish trail
I haven't learned nemesis super well yet tbh
turbid needle
I guess but I like having better cast more
lavish trail
I'm such a poseidon crutch
tight basin
same i used pos sword until like 15 heat then switched to nemesis because i heard that was popular and it was much easier lol
lavish trail
I know stacking crits is insane dmg with it, but I just haven't gotten that feel for it
tight basin
standard sword combo is special-dashstrike-dashstrike
slap athena or aphrodite on the attack or special, artemis on the other, get the duo, and that's all you need lol
twin cloak
they pretty different playstyles
tight basin
if you use athena tho you're gonna need the dash
twin cloak
unless you're cringe and just run ME on both
lavish trail
ME as in merciful end???
twin cloak
god i hate merciful end so much why is it the aspect of poseidon world record
tight basin
yes
twin cloak
grrrr
lavish trail
I prefer crush shot or athena special and then Exit wounds
tight basin
god i hate merciful end so much why is it the aspect of poseidon world record
that's kinda funny lmfao
turbid needle
How good is Zagreus on the different weapons?
tight basin
zag bow and zag shield are the best zag aspects i believe
lavish trail
Wait how tf is ME good with poseidon? is there a passive ability i dont know about
turbid needle
I feel like investing into the base aspect must be alright
tight basin
Wait how tf is ME good with poseidon? is there a passive ability i dont know abo...
no, ME is just really really good lmao
lavish trail
Trust me, I use ME with demeter fists all the time
twin cloak
sword sucks, spear sucks (unless flurry jab), shield good, bow good, fists lol, rail decent
turbid needle
no, ME is just really *really* good lmao
What’s your opinion of Lucifer?
lavish trail
But I'm not picturing really how it would work well with poseidon
twin cloak
But I'm not picturing really how it would work well with poseidon
ok here is how
you get merciful end
you're using a melee weapon
dash strike good
merciful end good
tight basin
What’s your opinion of Lucifer?
i used lucifer once and didn't like it solely because i don't like rail to begin with lmao
turbid needle
sword sucks, spear sucks (unless flurry jab), shield good, bow good, fists lol, ...
Spear is amazing, how dare you slander my beloved
tight basin
But I'm not picturing really how it would work well with poseidon
just dont use the sword's gimmick lol
turbid needle
i used lucifer once and didn't like it solely because i don't like rail to begin...
Rail is amazing, how dare you slander my beloved
lavish trail
just dont use the sword's gimmick lol
so it literally doesn't even have to be Poseidon
twin cloak
ME poseidon just means you completely ignore the cast
tight basin
Rail is amazing, how dare you slander my beloved
i never said it was bad, i just dont like using the rail lol
lavish trail
Poseidon without cast? REEEEEEEEEEE
random relic
I personally would like to know aspects, because I can’t stop using Lucifer and ...
yeah lucifer is a good weapon
lavish trail
no idea, I always get Athena or aphrodite cast asap with it
turbid needle
Alright fellas, and or female and non binary equivalent of fellas, rank all boon givers rn
lavish trail
I don't love Lucifer. I would always rather use Hestia with rail
twin cloak
lucy is kinda weird
lavish trail
I don't like the Lucifer special
turbid needle
yeah lucifer is a good weapon
Yeah!!!
lavish trail
The laser is fine, but Hellfire just feels inefficient
tight basin
I don't love Lucifer. I would always rather use Hestia with rail
same, i like using hestia if i have to use the rail because the only ammo management i need to keep in mind is just the 1 bullet
random relic
i mean i dont like using lucifer but i can recognize its objectively good
tight basin
same
twin cloak
hellfire positioning is really important
lavish trail
same, i like using hestia if i have to use the rail because the only ammo manage...
yep. Slap the shackle on there, reload, tap, reload, over and over
tight basin
or just get a good aphrodite atk and pom the crap out of it
twin cloak
same, i like using hestia if i have to use the rail because the only ammo manage...
just suicide for delta every run smh
or eternal if lucy
lavish trail
Yeah, that works too, but I prefer to get passive crits from artemis that don't affect the shackle damage and then stack HP and revenge
tight basin
just suicide for delta every run smh
lmao i can't get the reset thingy to work on the mod for some reason so i just dont
random relic
lmao i can't get the reset thingy to work on the mod for some reason so i just d...
are you hitting all the buttons at the same time?
tight basin
i tried one at a time and same time
lavish trail
Alright fellas, and or female and non binary equivalent of fellas, rank all boon...
Artemis and Athena S tier, then all the others, then Demeter F tier
twin cloak
dem op smh just highroll crop
turbid needle
Artemis and Athena S tier, then all the others, then Demeter F tier
Really? I really don’t like Athena, and Demeter is pretty good, but Dionysius is the best
Don’t care if that makes be a casual
His boons go with almost any build
tight basin
demeter is lowkey budget aphrodite with the damage buffs it gives lol
dreamy prism
athena becomes top tier when you're pushing heat
lavish trail
Really? I really don’t like Athena, and Demeter is pretty good, but Dionysius is...
Athena dash is the best boon in the entire game, especially high heat
dreamy prism
half of my 50s force her and the other half win via seeing her naturally
twin cloak
His boons go with almost any build
dio attack on zag bow goes hard fo shizzle