Beowulf meta is either Flood Flare into Mirage Shot, or Passion Flare + snow Burst
#h1-builds-and-combat
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how do i deal with the knock back
sterile fiber
Trippy Flare is also very good but needs more luck bc you start with Stygian Soul and hope Chaos gives you +1 cast
don't have to deal with knockback if you one shot everything
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oh stygian soul better than the 3 casts?
proper furnace
Only on dio cast cuz it stays on stage
proper furnace
So stygian lets you use it again like 2 secs faster?
sterile fiber
also you don't need to go cast hunting
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so if my goal is one shotting i must take fiery presence right
proper furnace
Also flood flare doesnt have big knockback from what i remember
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also nyx's keepsake
sterile fiber
Yeah fiery lets you one-shot some Tartarus enemies with just the regular attack
Take whoever's cast you want in Tartarus, and a Duo goal in Asphodel (or whatever helps your build)
Nyx's shawl doesn't add much damage compared to say hourglass-boosted braid or stone
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aight then i should just level up my other keepsakes
sterile fiber
Yeah or defensive ones after Asphodel
Also try out the charged shot hammer if you see it
Turns Beo into a giant cannon
sterile fiber
Also flood flare doesnt have big knockback from what i remember
yeah just don't take Poseidon attack 
man I wish Nyx, Achilles and Orpheus had better keepsakes
Nyx can give some form of invisibility too, seeing that's her plot important skill
Dusa too
icy gale
Question on how things work internally. not sure the right channel.
If I understand correctly, +damage is additive:+50% and +50% = +100% (rather than 1.5 * 1.5 = 2.25 => +125%), is that right?
and + crit chance is on top of the whole thing, so crit chance is multiplicative
right?
on the GDQ 2022 race - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwhQE5k1nLo, I think the announcers remark that since sword adds + crit chance, it's better to get raw damage added
or something like that
rather than %
or something, did I mishear? But it shouldn't matter right? since crit just multiplies whatever
desert pendant
I can't wait to watch this when i get back to wifi
valid dagger
and + crit chance is on top of the whole thing, so crit chance is multiplicative
Crit Chance is additive
valid dagger
or something, did I mishear? But it shouldn't matter right? since crit just mul...
On the Aspect of Nemesis it specifically says Crit chance to the attack only, so no it doesnt multiply everything, in terms of builds if you're not going for Merciful End it's almost always better to go for +% increases instead
lucid oar
Crit chance is additive, so pressure points plus deadly strike is 17% crit chance, however the crits themselves are multiplicative (3x)
cunning urchin
Question on how things work internally. not sure the right channel.
If I under...
normal hits:
× (1 + sum of base damage modifiers)
× (1 + sum of bonus damage modifiers)```critical hits:
```damage = (sum of base damage)
× (1 + sum of base damage modifiers)
× (1 + sum of bonus damage modifiers)
× (3 + sum of bonus critical damage modifiers)```
Base damage will be flat values.
Modifiers will be +n% values. Base damage modifiers will specify "base damage".I meant "crit chance multiplies to + damage"
what's the difference between base damage modifier and bonus damage modifiers?
Is there a +% base damage out there?
ah, charged attacks
found this: https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Damage_Calculation, which I will read
random relic
Is there a +% base damage out there?
hazard bomb is a good example, it increases base damage by 300%, not damage
turbid needle
Hey, so I was hoping to chat to someone about some builds? I tend to run a Zeus/Posei/Dion run for Fists (Demeter) and got to 10:54 PB but I desperately want a Sub-10 run... anyone up for a chat? 🙂 would be much appreciated
strange lark
the best build for fists in a speedrun is ME
which is made of ares attack, athena special, athena dash, and their duo boon merciful end
turbid needle
Thanks
turbid needle
Can you elaborate on "ME" please? I am fairly new to the game, 200+ runs but only recently wanted to push myself to do better times, dropped from avg: 19-22 down to 10-14mins avg per run
my knowledge is limited and would be greatly appreciated to understand the abbreviations (even if obvious) it may help others down the line if they ask
Ty so much so far 🙂
strange lark
ME is just merciful end
which is the duo boon for ares and athena
it gives attacks that have the deflect ability instantly proc doom
turbid needle
ahh yeah, that makes sense then - thank you 🙂
I went for
Attack: Ares
Special: Athena
Dash: Athena
--- Hoped for ME?
strange lark
yes
turbid needle
Cool - was on the right line then, guess I was unlucky on my first run of trying it - never got exposed or the ME duo.. gotta keep trying to see the full affect, because even half of the perks gained it was still hitting damn hard
strange lark
if you want you can watch speedrun vods which will help you a lot
heres the current modded WR for demeter
turbid needle
Thank you !
gusty rapids
Cool - was on the right line then, guess I was unlucky on my first run of trying...
yea unfortunately merciful end is fairly inconsistent because it demands quite a number of specific boons
but when you do get it, it does quite nicely
soft kiln
is gilgamesh supposed to be like high % or arty attack and you just dash strike after you maim?
plain river
tbh merciful end works well on gilgamesh thanks to extra damage and dashes
plain river
you run ruthless reflex and it's more damage and offsets taking more damage by giving dodge chance
oh wait
failcase
What do you mean by failcase
failsafe?
soft kiln
fail case as in how well does it do if you don't find ME. but yeah in terms of failsafe what do you do if you don't find it
plain river
You keep going anyways?
I don’t really know if there is anything specific to fall back on
plain river
is gilgamesh supposed to be like high % or arty attack and you just dash strike ...
This strategy but doom strike is how ME gilgamesh works
I don’t know any other specific builds for gilgamesh off the top of my head
valid dagger
It's not really that good without ME
You're just gonna suffer
Especially in bosses
To keep it simple
Because the weapon doesn't have much going for it
The extra dashes + RR are cool but they're also shorter and have longer recovery
So it doesn't put you that much ahead
soft kiln
oh that was sort of my impression just looking at it too
actually that reminds me. on the subject of secret aspects. does anyone like arthur? my roommate swears it's broken and it's his favorite but i found it incredibly unwieldy
i thought maybe it was because it was still level 1
lucid oar
It doesn’t really increase much with level
A lot of people find it fun, but yeah it is pretty clunky
plain river
I enjoy arthur gaming
random relic
what's the fail case though since you don't have giga cutter
hahaha
welcome to fists that arent dem lmao
no backup
very sad
acoustic vale
actually that reminds me. on the subject of secret aspects. does anyone like a...
Love Arthur
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can you build around sharanga's attack rather than it's special
cunning urchin
Usually you want both.
Heartbreak Strike, a decent flat damage Special, and ideally Hunter Dash + lots of Strike/Lunge from Master Chaos.
dreamy prism
doom is really great on special
iron barn
how do i avoid knocking enemies out of the special range when playing eris
plain river
Are you using splash dash 🤔
iron barn
yes
wanton dagger
so this is probs an odd question I should ask considering I know a bit but does Poseidon's boons not knock back bosses
soft kiln
they get knocked back a very small amount. so giga cutter and chiron can knock them back because you're hitting them a ton of times at once but otherwise you won't really notice.
they're still effected by boons that care about being knocked back though. like razor shoals.
plain river
It also lets them get affected by sea storm
wanton dagger
ok coolio, I was curious bc I had the gloves with the pull in special, and had the poseidon special as well with knock back with the bull and it didnt seem like it effected them
wanton dagger
so for the hidden aspects, in what order does it go, i know its spear, then sword, then what and so forth?
I just want to know the order not the names lmao
wanton dagger
does it not matter which one is next?
plain river
yeah
wanton dagger
i thought it would ok then
soft kiln
is rush kick ok on demeter? or does it make the giga cutter worse?
plain river
No
It makes it slightly better
Not as much of an improvement as kinetic launcher but
Still a 33% improvement
soft kiln
i have explosive upper already, should i take rush kick, flying cutter, or long knuckle?
plain river
rush kick I think
soft kiln
sounds good
valid dagger
Rush Kick just hurts your Special
Because it makes it take longer
It's not really an upgrade
Would take Long Knuckle here no doubt
soft kiln
mmm oh well
soft kiln
is numbing sensation just crazy against the champs? i just had them basically not do anything
like asterius hardly moved before he died
dreamy prism
long knuckle is just really good on every fist
particularly good on dem because it helps you charge special safer
proper furnace
@soft kiln the cheat engine is a joke, tho there is the speedrj modpack which is made to reduce most rng pace kill things/reduce heavy resets
So like set hammers/2 sack guaranteed/no barge of death-asterius miniboos or tiny vermin and etc
soft kiln
so for chiron flourish is it just arty, dio, or bust?
not that you lose but it's just not that great
proper furnace
Pos special>sea storm is also good
I like dem>artic blast for the funny
Same goes for ares>dire misfortune
dreamy prism
chire misfortune is for certified gamers only
soft kiln
i've done that one but i guess you gotta be lucky
soft kiln
Pos special>sea storm is also good
is this essentially identical to zeus special because of the internal cooldown?
aside form the fact that you also get +% damage
soft kiln
yeah that tracks. i had assumed that the internal cooldown was on sea storm
but i was not correct
proper furnace
Gotta learn to mod the gsme to delete the internal cooldown
dreamy prism
god zeus chiron would be so fun
soft kiln
it really does feel like a pointless include
the cooldown i mean
ooh dem arctic blast sounds fun
dreamy prism
it's hard to scale
proper furnace
Just get all the global dmg boons
dreamy prism
her legendary is actually good in this case I think
proper furnace
And pray artic blast is epic
Also ngl k still wonder what was the balance to make none of dem t2 pommable
soft kiln
go like arty attack and dem spell and get that duo
proper furnace
Or glaciar glare not opening up artic blast 
dreamy prism
that's sad
soft kiln
does glare not trigger blast?
proper furnace
It does, but tou need another dem boon that opens it for it to show up in 1st place
dreamy prism
Also ngl k still wonder what was the balance to make none of dem t2 pommable
good thing frozen touch is pommable
proper furnace
So either a dem core or snow burst
dreamy prism
wait does frozen touch open arctic
soft kiln
ya know it would have added a lot of build variety if you could choose what part of abilities poms effected
dreamy prism
I know how much you love dem speedrunning
proper furnace
Did you meet my evil clone or smth
soft kiln
like if you could pom how many stacks of chill you get, or duration or something
random relic
chire misfortune is for certified gamers only
chiremisfortune129
proper furnace
ya know it would have added a lot of build variety if you could choose what part...
That would be annoyingly complicated imo
On other things: make extra casts from chaos scale with rarity
dreamy prism
bruh
soft kiln
i don't think it would take much more time than it already does
but it would definitely make more builds viable
proper furnace
Peer pressure builds actually gud?
I love how thay dumb boon has the funny x8 dmg bug
dreamy prism
what's that dio boon that increases damage with 3+ hangover
proper furnace
If all stacks of hangover on an enemy are from peer pressure it does x8 dmg
X2 on bosses
And no, it doesnt make it good
random relic
On other things: make extra casts from chaos scale with rarity
please
soft kiln
oh my brain said pressure points
because peer pressure doesn't even register as a boon
proper furnace
because peer pressure doesn't even register as a boon
Exactly
random relic
aka no effect until you get multiple
nah you just half cast
dreamy prism
mirage moment
proper furnace
how about like 1 1.25 1.5?
Pretty sure fully loaded was a normal boon from artemis, and guess what
Pommable
random relic
Pretty sure fully loaded was a normal boon from artemis, and guess what
Pommable
what
nah
thats so broken lmao
soft kiln
peer pressure could have been solved by it triggering every second or something
dreamy prism
mirage?
random relic
There is also double shot
uhh... mirage?
random relic
yo lets go
dreamy prism
huh nice
random relic
but also that shouldnt be pommable
sterile fiber
peer pressure could have been solved by it triggering every second or something
Won't help if it overrides current stacks
since that's usually pommed first
random relic
inagine pommable mirage on beo
proper furnace
peer pressure could have been solved by it triggering every second or something
Sadly if you are running hangover odds are that you pommed your actual hangover source
soft kiln
right. i'm not sure why worse stacks override instead of just increasing duration
proper furnace
So yeah you still lower your dmg
Worst case being like just having dio call as extra dmg lol
sterile fiber
right. i'm not sure why worse stacks override instead of just increasing durati...
Maybe bc it's hard to code in stacks of diff powers?
soft kiln
i really don't see how that would be that hard to code
random relic
yeah it shouldnt be
sterile fiber
You should join the balance mod team then
random relic
i mean harder than how it is now fs but not that bad tbh
soft kiln
i don't have time to learn lua scripting atm
random relic
hades code is a mess lmao
dreamy prism
Worst case being like just having dio call as extra dmg lol
that reminds me can we talk about how broken dio call is
proper furnace
You coukd make it so that higher dmg stacks dint get over riden but then how you make peer pressure works
soft kiln
maybe once i get a job as a developer and don't need to mess with my portfolio on stuff i'll actually use so much
dreamy prism
that thing is nuts
random relic
that reminds me can we talk about how broken dio call is
so good
not as good as hades call epic rd clockets tho
sterile fiber
That's the 64 heat route
proper furnace
that reminds me can we talk about how broken dio call is
Dio call my 4th fav call
soft kiln
dio call is good?
random relic
yes
dreamy prism
not as good as hades call epic rd clockets tho
this is your brain on eris
proper furnace
Is just a lot of dmg
soft kiln
is it just good as long as you're not playing dio
random relic
this is your brain on eris
im addicted ok
soft kiln
err i mean have a hangover build
sterile fiber
I started trying to sub10 on Eris first, and still don't have it
dreamy prism
yeah pretty much
if you pick up natural dio usually the only stuff you want are strong drink, premium vintage, and call
sterile fiber
got Hestia, Zag bow and Lv1 Beos
soft kiln
is the hades code spaghetti because it's lua?
proper furnace
Not as many options to scale like zeus but fairly straight dmg
random relic
if you pick up natural dio usually the only stuff you want are strong drink, pre...
dio and athena have been conspiring to ruin my eris runs
proper furnace
Just throw some poms
random relic
im convinced
dreamy prism
lol
random relic
oh and ares
dreamy prism
better than dem
random relic
dem too kinda
proper furnace
Eris wr has dem flourish so it cant ruin your run 
sterile fiber
My Eris 40 was blades okay
proper furnace
Last wr i knew was the one with dem special, i havent keep up with eris lore
random relic
better than dem
also no not better than dem
epic rav will kinda cracked(ish)
and snow burst good in tart
dreamy prism
I guess
proper furnace
Thanks for reminding me of rav will
soft kiln
i've been meaning to ask. how does the game decide which god boon you are offered? does it at all lean towards the one you have the most of? or is it just completely random until you have 4 and hten it's completely random within those 4?
the corollary to that is i guess is does that mean it's better to pick your 4 early so you have a higher chance of being offered the stuff you're actually looking for?
random relic
i've been meaning to ask. how does the game decide which god boon you are offer...
the latter i thonk
proper furnace
Bring it back to where only dmg resistance scaled with rarity
dreamy prism
I think it's 50/50 between something you already have and a new god
until 4 are in pool?
proper furnace
Thought it was full random too
dreamy prism
I love how no one in this community knows how the game works except for 2 people
random relic
I love how no one in this community knows how the game works except for 2 people
true
i feel the sudden urge to ping rmacinty
soft kiln
if it's 50/50 and you just want a bunch of 1 god then it's better to just avoid getting a second as long as you can
once you have a second then it's better to get to 4 as soon as possible because then at least you have a 25% chance
if it does work the way you're suggesting
dreamy prism
now I'm questioning reality
random relic
id say just avoid whatever gods wont help your build
unless build complete and you want some 5% additive
proper furnace
Just dont completely ignore it and arrive at styx with 2 of 4 gods
random relic
yeah lmao
dreamy prism
and don't get carried away and have UC end your career
random relic
and don't get carried away and have UC end your career
this too
proper furnace
Also sometimes just taking a god for an early boost then sell can be nice
random relic
in heat i always take gods no matter what pretty much
proper furnace
Like if i dont have pos on sight i would take any dash to make furies a but faster (eris is the example)
random relic
esp on ri
soft kiln
well if you have 2 you need to get to 4 anyway.
but i mean say you start with zeus and you just want more zeus stuff for a while it might be better to avoid a second god until you have all the zeus you want XD
dreamy prism
Like if i dont have pos on sight i would take any dash to make furies a but fast...
oh I did this recently and it was great
super underrated trick
also applies to stuff like zeus cast
random relic
Like if i dont have pos on sight i would take any dash to make furies a but fast...
ooh smart
that also requires you to have arty special already tho
random relic
zeus cast good for tart but no great everywhere else
proper furnace
Is good but it falls off so hard post tart
sterile fiber
Half of Rod too
random relic
r o d kinda gaming in furies ive founf out
proper furnace
Also random but if playing zap fists i like ares dash more than wet dash
random relic
i was about to give my opinion on that
sterile fiber
I tried tidal dash fists and kept knocking enemies away
random relic
then i remembered i dont play fists
proper furnace
Last time i played fists was with the modded aspect
And that run got full ME out of tart
soft kiln
Last time i played fists was with the modded aspect
apollo?
proper furnace
Fusion aspects mods
random relic
aspect fusion so cool
proper furnace
Combines all 4 + some neat touch ups on how they work
dreamy prism
Also random but if playing zap fists i like ares dash more than wet dash
yeah same, except I force ares mostly for vengeful mood
broken boon for speedrunning
proper furnace
Like it switches maim values (+25% dmg taken, enemies take 50% more dmg)
random relic
i havent tried it yet tho bc im afraid its going to make me feel underpowered on eris
it literally has built in support fire
proper furnace
I love how ultimate rail can move while shooting
dreamy prism
I love how ultimate rail can move while shooting
so it's rail but actually good
dreamy prism
rail desperately needs a buff in base game so that sounds like a good change
sterile fiber
I love how ultimate rail can move while shooting
How aim tho
proper furnace
Autom aim still works
random relic
so it's rail but actually good
hey wait a minute
proper furnace
I love ultimate shield the most
random relic
you better take that back
sterile fiber
Oh ok
proper furnace
6 chaos-zeus shields is legit fun
random relic
says the person with 3 rail 50s
random relic
I learned that from r/hades
lmao
sterile fiber
I learned that from r/hades
Oh it's rail now? Used to be bow
random relic
what do they do, athena attack?
dreamy prism
I actually think a lot of rail hate is from having attack at cursor on
which is understandable
proper furnace
nope, rail sucks
I played special only rail till i was told of the wonder that is using a flat dmg attack
random relic
then i was in bliss
proper furnace
So it never surprises me
sterile fiber
shrugs in controller
dreamy prism
that reminds me does SF zrail use auto aim
sterile fiber
special is pain tho
dreamy prism
since it's more like a conventional aspect
random relic
and thats the story of how ive become addicted to eris the rail in hades the video game
proper furnace
shrugs in controller
This sounds lime Achilles auto aim
That thing is just super glued to the enemy/pot
sterile fiber
They say it's the most easy speed weapon but I got sub9 with Hestia and still don't have sub10 Eris
random relic
im only good at eris tbh
sterile fiber
That thing is just super glued to the enemy/pot
Yeah I learned to look before rush
random relic
i cant even do zag shield
dreamy prism
I think it's kinda debatable which one is better for top speedrunning
random relic
for top its def beo
dreamy prism
yeah true
proper furnace
I think eris is still the easiest one for introduction
dreamy prism
but just between the two I mean
proper furnace
Beo can def suck a lot of time if cast management bad/pom choices/wrong cores
random relic
im still bad at beo after playing it 5 times so its porbably a hard aspect to learn
sterile fiber
I tried Beo after Eris and got sub10 in a few days
random relic
I think it's kinda debatable which one is better for top speedrunning
oh you meant eris and hestia
sterile fiber
That's with Lv1 Beo too
dreamy prism
I guess high end rail these days is basically how much you can buff clockets
rip hestia
random relic
dem special tho
random relic
i need to try exploding launcher zag spear
soft kiln
That thing is just super glued to the enemy/pot
it seems like the return animation needs to stop being frozen like half a second faster or something
random relic
seems fun
dreamy prism
zspear without exploding launcher is actually a disaster mechanically
sterile fiber
the only spear with Flurry Jab and Exploding Launcher at once
random relic
also yeah zag spear kinda cracked
dreamy prism
true
proper furnace
I still love how zag spear has a 5:26
random relic
is zag spear the only aspect that needs a hammer to actually even function?
dreamy prism
but without exploding it's the most awkward attack in the game alongside spin imo
hm
actually I think it is
sterile fiber
I got Zag spear 40 without exploding
proper furnace
Depends your definiction of function ig
dreamy prism
lucy is close but it still has super soaker
proper furnace
And some people can just be cracked even with bad hammers
dreamy prism
maybe zrail
random relic
luci is ok without triple
proper furnace
maybe zrail
Budget eris
random relic
zag rail is just bad eris
dreamy prism
and eris is just bad beo
random relic
bruh
proper furnace
Thats hera
dreamy prism
fine
proper furnace
Tho more like thin beo
dreamy prism
eris is just bad lucy
random relic
hera is better and cooler beo
random relic
eris is just bad lucy
ok what
proper furnace
Less broken beo
random relic
your aspect doesnt have clockets
dreamy prism
didn't you see mike's vid
dreamy prism
lucy clockets
random relic
yooo bablo
proper furnace
That was funny
dreamy prism
poor gilgy
proper furnace
And yeah bablo 
random relic
who has eris wr rn?
dreamy prism
surely highroll seastorm can get a better time
random relic
wmic?
proper furnace
random relic
poor gilgy
btw gily isnt worst aspect anymore lol
random relic
cherry kinda cracked at the worst aspect in the game
proper furnace
If you wanna count routed i think is vorime with the 2:48
proper furnace
Was posted yesterday ye
random relic
oh is that an updated one
looks like it
proper furnace
Also croven cracked with sub 6 zag bow
dreamy prism
geez the eris hestia diff is insane
sterile fiber
Also croven cracked with sub 6 zag bow
Is that the Flurry Zeus one
random relic
Also croven cracked with sub 6 zag bow
and the sub 6 pos sword
croven just kinda cracked in general
proper furnace
Is that the Flurry Zeus one
dreamy prism
nice fresh file clear
proper furnace
croven just kinda cracked in general
I still love the "i just wanted to olay some beo" -> gets wr
random relic
nice fresh file clear
thats what i said lol
proper furnace
Or the infamous croven missing a witch with flurry
proper furnace
Ye
random relic
that was legit painful to watch
sterile fiber
ah still a Flurry with Zeus
dreamy prism
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1000526200944476180/...
I can tell you're a newer player who's not too familiar with all the game mechanics! No worries, let me help you out on learning about the Heartseeking Bow's Aspect of Zagreus.
random relic
I can tell you're a newer player who's not too familiar with all the game mechan...
well??? how do i play it
i want a zagreus the bow copy the pasta
dreamy prism
well??? how do i play it
I can tell you're a newer player who's not too familiar with all the game mechanics! No worries, let me help you out on learning about Heartseeking Bow's Aspect of Zagreus.
The form in which the Heartseeking Bow first revealed itself. Critical Attack Chance: 3/6/9/12/15%
So this Aspect ensures that every attack has a chance of being a Critical Attack. This effect is similar to many of Artemis's Boons, like Pressure Points, and most of her core Boons. Note that this effect increases with level, from level 1 to 5, and Critical Attacks deal 3x damage without modifiers from the Boons Heart Rend (Aphrodite x Artemis) and/or Clean Kill (Artemis).
I hope you enjoy the game as a new player and feel welcome to ask any questions about basic game mechanics you might have!
random relic
I can tell you're a newer player who's not too familiar with all the game mechan...
wow, thank you for the tutorial on aspect of zagreus on coronacht, the heart seeking bow. i feel myself getting better already!
dreamy prism
I can't wait for someone to send that pasta modified for zeus shield when someone finally gets unrouted 64 heat
random relic
ill do that
also i was looking at early access messages and it seems heat worked way differently than it does now
dreamy prism
yeah it was some kind of currency?
dreamy prism
it seems like it also increased darkness gained
which seems like an amazing mechanic
random relic
yeah
i dont know why they got rid of that
i also think the higher the heat the easier it was
dreamy prism
same I hate how many people get stuck into 0 heat darkness grinding
that just becomes meaningless grind imo
random relic
same I hate how many people get stuck into 0 heat darkness grinding
i do 9 heat darkness grinding
dreamy prism
lol
full sweat speedrunning except picking up poseidon and chaos buffs as appropriate is probably the fastest way to get darkness tbh
instead of hunting for them exclusively via egg etc
random relic
full sweat speedrunning except picking up poseidon and chaos buffs as appropriat...
i mean sometimes on eris i pick up a poseidon boon and get attack replace sunken treasure and oceans bounty
and i dont have any rerolls bc i used them all on hermes
those moments are really sad
dreamy prism
lol sunken treasure is bad because it activates your monkey brain to waste time picking up the drops
or is it just me
dreamy prism
"boy I sure need those gems"
random relic
also why ill never be able to do rta
"what do you mean i cant pick up the gems after bosses?"
dreamy prism
RTA is deeply inferior to IGT for those reasons imo
random relic
yeah
also bc i play eris and if you have rocket you have to go into settings and turn on aim at cursor to do bombers meg
that wastes time in rta and happens like all the time smh
dreamy prism
wait that's hilarious
random relic
yeah its annoying af
dreamy prism
reminds me of turning on attack at cursor for hesty dad
random relic
lmaoo
dreamy prism
sadly if you don't do that hesty thinks pots are extremely high priority
random relic
whats annoying though is you go i to the room, turn on aim at cursor, hit 1, and turn it off again
like wtf sgg
dreamy prism
optimal gameplay loop
random relic
sadly if you don't do that hesty thinks pots are extremely high priority
lmao awesome
also in my zag bow 40 i acrually didnt take damage from dad until the last 5s of the fight
and in that time i went from 345 hp to popping an sd
random relic
and in that time i went from 345 hp to popping an sd
also with quick recovery from hermes lol
dreamy prism
please do
random relic
ill do that tmrw
soft kiln
hades mod forum is telling me it's just completely random until you have 4
which means getting to 4 early is the best plan if you can manage to not screw yourself over
proper furnace
<@676221149134323721> how did it work?
Heat amount were a lot more, values overall change, ri was instead a "budget cut" where you only had x amount of darkness for the mirror, and yeah darkness bonus cuz no bounties
iron barn
https://imgur.com/a/Pufvv4X
that one death where zag gets run over by a chariot except the chariot is cerberus
wanton dagger
https://imgur.com/a/Pufvv4X
im sorry wut
tight basin
pot moment lmao
dreamy prism
HS sucks
strange lark
ok
proven osprey
https://imgur.com/a/Pufvv4X
Very nice!
strange lark
Thank you astaos
sterile fiber
im sorry wut
Stunned by pot, then run over by Cerby
soft kiln
i just won a nemesis run with dio attack, ares special, aphro dash. low tolerence, vengeful mood, and smair. i'm pretty sure smair carried the entire run. honestly i'm not happy with how hard the build was to put together.
was it maybe too fancy? would it be more efficient and effective to have just had aphro attack?
sword in general sort of eludes me. i'm having more trouble with that weapon than any of the others
random relic
dio attack isnt that great on sword
aphro/arty is generally better yeah
if you dont know already, youre trying to to special->dash strike x2->repeat on nem
soft kiln
that is indeed what i've been doing
even got double edge which probably was pivotal in winning the run
valid dagger
Look for Athena Special for safety
soft kiln
that's how all swords attack though right? except maybe arthur? i'll try arthur again when i can max it out
felt awful when i played it at lvl 1
i thought a special i only used every few seconds would be a better spot for doom than usual. perhaps that was wrong
grave leaf
Which duo boon works best with Chiron bow?
soft kiln
low tolerance is pretty amazing on chiron
sterile fiber
Heart Rend, Low Tol and Sea Storm
soft kiln
sea storm with tempest flourish specifically. just to clarify
sterile fiber
Splitting Headache can work but it's not optimal, and needs Mark to be great
grave leaf
I think seastorm has a max amount of lightning bolts right?
grave leaf
Yeah bc I’ve been running heart rend and I consistently get to final boss second stage, but always die like halfway through it so I want something more powerful
How does dio and aphro work? Who gets the special and who gets the attack?
sterile fiber
Merciful End with Athena attack + Ares special is also A Thing since you can get Doom on a crowd and proc ME all at once
soft kiln
just to make sure is it heart rend with arte flourish you were using?
grave leaf
just to make sure is it heart rend with arte flourish you were using?
Yeah but I guess my hammers were terrible
sterile fiber
Yeah bc I’ve been running heart rend and I consistently get to final boss second...
Heart Rend is up there, no need to change it if you got it down
valid dagger
How does dio and aphro work? Who gets the special and who gets the attack?
Dio on the Special
soft kiln
dio gets the special
grave leaf
Ok I’ll give it a try
soft kiln
you basically put an entire stack of hangover on at once
valid dagger
Use pstatus on the mirror too
soft kiln
if you get lucky you can fit the ares/dio duo there too
sterile fiber
Frost Flourish + Killing Freeze also works since you get max Chill
slower dad = easier to kite
valid dagger
But at this point for you to start winning consistently you just need to practice, the issue isn’t the build
grave leaf
Well the toxic rats keep getting my in Styx
grave leaf
The space is so tight half of the arrows disappear before hitting the rats
soft kiln
the little rats or the big rats?
sterile fiber
Works on satyrs too
grave leaf
the little rats or the big rats?
Big ones
sterile fiber
the little rats or the big rats?
the only complaint I heard of small rats is they don't kill you fast enough when trying to refresh SD 
soft kiln
lol
grave leaf
Ares dash works well but I don’t run ares with Chiron
soft kiln
ares is good with the aphro/dio build you are considering
valid dagger
Poseidon’s dash is just better in this context
grave leaf
ares is good with the aphro/dio build you are considering
Ares dash or smt else?
random relic
the only complaint I heard of small rats is they don't kill you fast enough when...
they also lose you like 3-4s in speedrunning
i hate those guys
soft kiln
if cast qualifies then cast since you were trying to get poseidon dash. obviously that's just like perfect scenario.
valid dagger
Cast is not a good pick
soft kiln
i just checked cast doesn't qualify for nausea
valid dagger
If you encounter an Ares when you’re running Hangover you either take the Attack or Vengeance
soft kiln
curse of vengeance is what you want then
sterile fiber
Splitting Headache + Hunting Blades
valid dagger
soft kiln
eris lightning strike, aphro special, curse of vengeance so far
seeking fire, delta chamber, or piercing fire?
piercing maybe?
valid dagger
Delta is the safest pick here
The other 2 wont do much
Delta makes your dash strikes stronger because you keep the iframes and you don’t have to manage a reload button anymore
random relic
yeah it was a spectacular moment
soft kiln
colossus knuckle seems good with gilgamesh am i crazy?
my other options are breaching cross and explosive upper
strange lark
breaching cross is the best fists hammer
strange lark
big number is not boring
lucid oar
Breaching cross means you kill enemies quicker, meaning you use fists for less time, which is good, which is not boring
random relic
so true
clever phoenix
they also lose you like 3-4s in speedrunning
:tounisratsoclock:
frosty panther
which of the keepsake u guys prefer and why
I personally carry the coin purse first and then change it to spearpoint at later stages
I dont get why many ppl choose acorn over spearpoint
lucid oar
5 hits negated against the final boss is usually more damage negated than spear point
Acorn also prevents you from being staggered for those 5 hits which is more DPS
However spearpoint does help more in styx
frosty panther
big brain I see
soft kiln
aspect of poseidon...hoarding slash or world splitter?
i started with demeter attack
i know it probably doesn't matter since i'm going to go with demeter cast but yeah
soft kiln
that seems kind of insane honestly
soft kiln
are there any demeter fists builds that use demeter?
Like I assume it's Demeter special is fine since it's ok damage?
proper furnace
If you are going like lightning strike and dont have a special then epic dem good yeah
soft kiln
I'm just maxing out my last keepsake so was gonna start with her
And that's where my dark thirst landed 🤣
proper furnace
Can go full beams by highrolling with achilles and stygian soul
Ah
Can do talos + blizzard shot, not as crazy but is aight
proper furnace
Blizzard is the duo of pos-dem but basically yeah
soft kiln
would you go god's legacy for that then or stay with pride anyway
proper furnace
Prob pride, can still pick up a decent atk if duo doest appear and just wing it
And hermes good for dashes/rd
Or chaos boons
Gotta pray for those +70% cast dmg
soft kiln
picked up heavy knuckle and then naturally found zeus
i'm guessing lightning strike isn't good anymore
proper furnace
Yeah dont go flat dmg
soft kiln
does heavy knuckle effect dash strikes?
lucid prairie
picked up heavy knuckle and then naturally found zeus
Does that mean you’re running Talos or Zagreus? I thought those were rarely used
also
I may get some weird looks for this
but I loooooove Kinetic Strike with Demeter
strange lark
kinetic launcher is extremely based
dreamy prism
it has a power shot so it's inherently based
plain river
You go from like 210 special to 300 special on demeter
strange lark
i think it adds like less than 50 damage to it
and its not base damage
so just a flat <50 damage
dreamy prism
still based
plain river
Powershotting on kinetic launcher adds 10 damage
strange lark
lmfao
plain river
Honestly I just use kinetic launcher as a damage boost and don’t try to use it for its range
on demeter
cunning urchin
does heavy knuckle effect dash strikes?
Nope.
soft kiln
Does that mean you’re running Talos or Zagreus? I thought those were rarely used
I was trying talos because I was starting with the Demeter keepsake
Then I got heavy knuckle so the spell heavy plan changed
languid flame
hi so im kinda new to the game and was wondering if i could get some help with clearing the game with spear
it is the only weapon i have left and it is so hard to clear w because of its low dps
any tips?
icy gale
the breaktrhough for me (I'm still only 6 heat for most weapons) was getting good cast builds
since cast was pretty weapon agnostic
tight basin
homie sent the same qusetion into #h1-for-new-players and got an answer there already lol
icy gale
*laughs sounds good
icy gale
oh fun, that's basically my answer
languid flame
exactly
tight basin
i personally would've used infernal instead of stygian soul but doesnt matter too much if you dont care about how long the runs are
languid flame
alright
icy gale
I don't know which one is which, but the cast on a timer almost requires chaos +cast
whereas if you go the one where you get 3, there are a couple other duos that could work w/o +cast (crystal clarity, lightning rod)
tight basin
stygian is a bit more high roll because you need to rely on chaos to get more, with infernal soul you need to wait for the cast to drop after you use 3
stygian's timer is only a few seconds or so until you get another so you can still get 2 blades on screen but it only really shines with extra casts
although you can still make 1 cast work, just more effort
tight basin
I don't know which one is which, but the cast on a timer almost requires chaos +...
stygian is timer
icy gale
I think my "drop cast and go headless chicken" plan probably won't work for higher heats
but works totally fine for now
tight basin
i think it'll work on higher heats if you dont run tight deadline
icy gale
oh, and knockback on attack is great for spear if you're not looking for the attack as main source of damage
tight basin
but if you play achilles hunting blades properly then tight deadline is still manageable
tight basin
oh, and knockback on attack is great for spear if you're not looking for the att...
imo not really, you're looking for the flurry jab hammer and knocking them back out of range isn't useful
also considering that you might knock them away from your cast
icy gale
fair - I think I'm thinking of "get away from me" with lightning rod
tight basin
if you happen to pick up zeus then it's not a bad thing to go for, although rod doesn't do a lot of damage if you're just relying on that for damage lol
also if you're playing a cast based build such as hunting blades achilles then it's pretty pointless because your actual cast is gonna be doing more damage anyways
icy gale
does mirage shot combine with lightning rod constructively?
tight basin
no
im pretty sure mirage shot just affects throwing the cast, but once it lands, it's still 1 cast on the ground for rod
valid dagger
That is correct
icy gale
How does hera bow work with cast on a timer?
is it strictly better to have level 1 so cast stays stuck longer?
dense breach
should I build Twin Fists towards attack, cast or special? (I have aspect of talos just unlocked) Aslo what gods/boons would u recommend for them
proper furnace
How does hera bow work with cast on a timer?
If you mean stygian soul then it starts regenersting once you shoot the cast, hera uses the +2 casts for the burst dmg tho
Only time you use stygian then is for trippy flare due to it staying on ground for a while,
There is no point to let those skills at lvl 1
random relic
is it strictly better to have level 1 so cast stays stuck longer?
also just so you know your cast gets stuck for the same amount of time on infernal vs stygian
icy gale
I meant levels on hera aspect - hera levels up and reduces bloodstone drop time, which is worse for stygian right?
proper furnace
It doesnt matter for stygian
Stuck cast only matter for like boiling blood
But with max stygian you get your cast faster than cast drops anyways
valid dagger
should I build Twin Fists towards attack, cast or special? (I have aspect of tal...
Attack, due to low base damage you rely on flat damage instead
So don’t put stuff like Aphro artemis on your attack
Go for Ares Zeus Dio instead
Special is nice on Demeter aspect, especially with Kinetic Launcher or Explosive upper
On Talos it has niche uses in Tartarus but later in the run it does nothing, it’s just slow and awkward
dense breach
okay, thanks a lot!!
twin cloak
Talos curse of drowning op smh
dense breach
Talos with pos special is the best way to run it
that's exactly what I did last run 💀
plain river
Most fun I’ve ever had with talos was using poseidon special
dense breach
I do not like fists tbh, I just want to do the prophecy and fists are the last weapon I've left
plain river
Fists are my highest heat weapon atm
dense breach
oh woops
lucid prairie
Fists are my highest heat weapon atm
What heat
dense breach
I'm still on heat 0
dense breach
except shield on ehat 1 cuz I accidentally first times it on heat 1
plain river
In the double digits
strange lark
I'm in the triple dufurs
lucid prairie
I'm in the triple dufurs
what does this mean ⁉️
plain river
They made a joke about how I commited a massive typo 
strange lark
It means I have triple dufurs heat
plain river
How does empowering flight work on zeus shield
strange lark
It procs when you recall the shield
lucid prairie
wait wait
you can… STAND in the middle of dad’s multi-beam attack to avoid damage???
is there any trick like that for superdad’s ||Cerberus summon||
proper furnace
Corners are the most safe
Most of the time right towards the bottom lake
But can still be get rekt by a random boulder or dad appearing before cerby goes again
lucid prairie
Most of the time right towards the bottom lake
ok so I was right
dense breach
does zeus-ares duo boon apply to all revenge boons or only zeus/ares?
plain river
All
dense breach
k, thanks
lucid prairie
including Demeter?
plain river
Yes
Wait
Yes
Seeing as frozen touch is a prerequisite option
For vengeful mood
Yes
plain river
including Demeter?
If I wasn’t clear enough as is, yes
dense breach
Attack, due to low base damage you rely on flat damage instead
worked like a charm, completed run on the first try with that build, much appreciated!!
tight basin
including Demeter?
you just need any revenge boon for it to appear i believe, whether it be from ares, zeus, demeter, or whoever else
plain river
think so
plain river
Not really
proper furnace
Revenge afk builds are a thing
tight basin
it's completely doable to beat hades (and em4 for that matter) with just revenge boons and afk
tight basin
but in a normal run it's not worth trying to build for because you're essentially wasting time getting a duo with many different revenge boons with poms
and you need lots of centaur hearts as well
proper furnace
Is still a nice duo even only for the ares/zeus revenge tbf
tight basin
true but not something you should exactly look for imo
strange lark
Does it just choose a random enemy to chill
The enemy that hits you gets chilled
lucid prairie
The enemy that hits you gets chilled
but in the case of Zeus/Ares duo
eternal comet
Hey guys any builds or tips for hestia?
random relic
aphro attack start and get special hammers (if you dont get special hammers ricochet and piercing are ok for attack), arty or aphro on special is good. tidal dash is good for aoe
valid dagger
should u always pick duos when u get the choice to do so?
No, some Duos are very good but some others are pretty mediocre/bad, you should always take whatever helps your build the most, if none of the options help it you can take the Duo because it's good money when you sell it
inner bay
are there cool bow builds out there?
or any tips for bow builds? :D
and thanks for the response!
valid dagger
are there cool bow builds out there?
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide Big compilation of builds in here, if you have more specific questions you can ask and someone will try to answer
dense breach
what are overall good keepsakes to take into Elysium? (assuming I had taken gods keepsakes into 2 previous chambers)
tight basin
skelly or acorn
those are defensive keepsakes
skelly is an effective +100 hp basically, acorn is 5 free hits against bosses
dreamy prism
hourglass is very strong as well since it lets you buy items with increased duration in prestyx shop
tight basin
if you find yourself dying and losing dd's in elysium a lot, skelly is better i think
if you mainly struggle against the bosses, acorn is good
true hourglass is really good i forgot about that
dense breach
hourglass is very strong as well since it lets you buy items with increased dura...
I honestly usually just save up for the styx shop and sometimes just buy the replenishment for deaths deviance
dense breach
if you find yourself dying and losing dd's in elysium a lot, skelly is better i ...
mainly bosses tbh, I mean minotaur is fine I dodge everything but I usually loose a lot of hp/even death deviance to Theseus
I also usually used acorn but just for hades since I was taking gods keepsakes into Elysium
valid dagger
Gods into Elysium are kinda late for a lot of builds
Acorn is likely just gonna be better here so you avoid losing that occasional DD
And you can still carry it to Styx anyway
tight basin
mainly bosses tbh, I mean minotaur is fine I dodge everything but I usually loos...
if you take acorn going into theseus then you might not lose the DD
if your build isn't more or less complete by elysium then the champ fight is gonna be a bit rough if you have to take a god keepsake in
dense breach
if you take acorn going into theseus then you might not lose the DD
yes, I'll definitely start doing it from now on. I'm kinda newish if u couldn't tell, completed runs with every weapon on heat 0 and one run on heat 1 but it always felt like struggle (esp Elysium) so I'm trying to improve and better understand "the meta"
inner bay
Some people have starting boons in their guides, but i can't seem to find that option in game. Do i have to unlock it first?
tight basin
if you equip a god's keepsake at the start before you start a run you can get their boon in the very first room guaranteed
unless it's a hammer or a story related event
eternal comet
aphro attack start and get special hammers (if you dont get special hammers rico...
oo ok thanks i was using poseiden attack and it was doing nothing in elysium and i got clapped lol
valid dagger
Poseidon’s attack is basically harmful on the majority of weapons
The % is so low and the knockback is tedious and you have better things to put on your attack and you have better things to take from Poseidon
So it’s just a big meme
lean geyser
https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide Big compilation of builds i...
That guide says that 5 gods gets you to 25% damage increase with family favorite. Was it changed from 5% per god to 2.5% at some point?
proper furnace
It has 2 levels
turbid needle
Annoyingly during a run if you scan the top row (your mirror talents) it will say 2.5% even if you have it maxed on the mirror for 5% per god.
The calculation below will be ascending in 5/10/15/20 % onward though if maxed out 🙂
proper furnace
Lol you made me notice all mirror skills say that
turbid needle
Lol you made me notice all mirror skills say that
Haha ! It's a small nuisance I find , but one I welcome to make sure I remember just why I had picked those talents I guess ¬_¬
honest shadow
What do you guys prefer? Olympian favor, or privileged status?
plain river
It really depends what boons I plan on picking up but most of the time pstatus
proper furnace
Olympian favor and priv status can be taken at the same time
Or you mean olympian favor-dark foresight/priv status-family favourites?
honest shadow
Yeah. I usually use the one that gives you 5% damage per God by default. Unless im going for hangover and weak or something like that.
Sorry. I meant to say family favorite
proper furnace
Yeah is mostly FF
strange lark
Most of the time you will use ff
tender latch
Any recommendations for someone who hasn't beaten papa Hades for the first time yet?
I might try out exagryph more, because just messing around using it for the second time I actually nearly beat Hades himself
Haven't unlocked the aspects for it yet, the most I have is level 2 poseidon sword
valid dagger
Any recommendations for someone who hasn't beaten papa Hades for the first time ...
For now you’re mostly just gonna need to play more to get familiar with every enemy/boss and their patterns, if you’ve unlocked Olympian God keepsakes you can look into using those to manipulate builds in your favor because that’s gonna help a lot and make your damage better and make you safer sometimes
tender latch
Theseus is what messes me up the most; I only did well vs him with sword thanks to the healing hammer and with exagryph because of dionysus cast + special spam
Have you got any tips on dealing more damage to him? He's a pain in the ass to wear down even with the minotaur dead
valid dagger
You’re gonna need to attack after his spear throw because he turns his back on you
And look for the sound cue and crosshair on Zag to actually avoid the spear throw
In terms of actual damage both of the builds you mentioned aren’t particularly strong at that
Your rail attack is very important, and sword playstyle is tough and relies on dash strikes, the Cursed Slash hammer is considered a harmful one because it doesn’t apply to dash strikes, you can cheese a win with it tho, just don’t expect to have good damage
soft kiln
is flood shot worth considering over true shot if i already have heart rend and i don't have any other poseidon slot to qualify for mirage shot?
i'm on an aspect of poseidon run
i have a bunch of bonus cast damage from choas too
but i have heart rend so true shot critting will crit for a whole lot
low island
Flood shot will probably mess with your ability to use your sword special and dislodge casts. If you’re early enough in your run and can get a Poseidon core boon then you can do that but I would say go with true shot
soft kiln
i'm pretty far into the run and cast was the only core left
i did end up taking true shot
proper furnace
Was gonna ask how you didnt have a cast slot on pos sword but forgot you dont use the god keepsakes
soft kiln
Was gonna ask how you didnt have a cast slot on pos sword but forgot you dont us...
🙂 i use them between biomes but usually start with mom pom on new runs
swift peak
Some people have starting boons in their guides, but i can't seem to find that o...
its a mod
acoustic vale
Imagine if all sword mods applied to dash strike like they should
dusk brook
nemesis or zag aspect on the sword?
swift peak
It's not
I believe he was talking about this v common mod:
https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/36
valid dagger
They said "in their guides", no one writes a guide expecting you to use this
It's also illegal for unseeded runs
swift peak
no one is talking about seeded/unseeded but whatever
valid dagger
strange lark
strange lark
It's just keepsakes
What's a keepsake
random relic
What's a keepsake
you can gift gemstones to characters and theyll give you a keepsake- most speedrunners recommend using distant memory, harpy feather, and myrmidion bracer
strange lark
Thank you!!!
random relic
wait, what?
acoustic vale
Yeah, to my understanding distant memory is too distant to be useful and others are better, the feather duster gives too little hp, and I don't actually remember which one the bracer is so nvm on that one
In my experience sleedrunners tend to start with a god keepsake that works with whatever build they want
random relic
the great thing about distant memory is that it just gives you global damage- especially on something like sword or fists, that extra damage is really helpful. feather duster is, to my knowledge, the only keepsake that gives you food which can be really awesome because food tastes good
acoustic vale
...how would you hit the range requirement using fist or sword? Also the food gives only 10 hp iirc
random relic
also, i am 93.727% sure that you gift gemstones to characters, not nectar
random relic
distant memory is really great on sword when you throw it to kill stuff, that boosts its damage considerably
tight basin
Dash nova moment
acoustic vale
Do you mean spear, because sword isn't throwable last I checked
random relic
you have to download the dlc to be able to throw it
lean geyser
Dlc? U mean a mod?
soft kiln
Dlc? U mean a mod?
sub 7 gaming is an extremely high heat player who is having some fun :p since you're new I didn't want you to get confused and listen to anything he's saying right now XD
lean geyser
Damn had my hopes up for a dlc or even a good mod
soft kiln
Damn had my hopes up for a dlc or even a good mod
I've been enjoying the Apollo mod. I think it's called OlympusExtra. There's also the one that lets you befriend the cow and the douchebag.
lean geyser
Ill probably give it a shot once i have all the achievements
soft kiln
That's fair. I didn't start playing with them until I finished the story and it became evident that the rest of my time in the game will be moving up heats, unlocking cosmetics, and leveling up weapons.
tight basin
there's also a speedrunning mod that just makes playing a lot more convenient by removing starting rng
lean geyser
I need two more runs. Skelly is holding out on me
soft kiln
there's also a speedrunning mod that just makes playing a lot more convenient by...
The speedrunning mod looks like a collection of other mods. Did I misunderstand it?
tight basin
i didnt really read exactly what it does, but to my knowledge it removes rng so you dont waste resources/time
4 starting boon options, guaranteed hammer choice, no barge or bull miniboss
soft kiln
what does guaranteed hammer choice mean
tight basin
the next hammer you see only has 1 option
and you can pick what that 1 option is before you start the run
soft kiln
oh is that because you're tying to be fast in a specific way not just fast period
untold wagon
Help I have 967 coins and I need 1000 to buy the diamond but I already found the sack and the fountain… do I explore more tunnels or buy boobs from Charon?
lean geyser
Buy boobs from charon? Is this more dlc content?
tight basin
oh is that because you're tying to be fast in a specific way not just fast perio...
well, certain hammers are obviously gonna make you go faster/deal more damage compared to others
for shields it's generally charged shot, chiron is concentrated volley, etc
there are other good hammers out there for certain weapons tho
tight basin
Help I have 967 coins and I need 1000 to buy the diamond but I already found the...
tbh if you can already beat hades consistently, you could do another chamber for the gold to get the diamond
just be mindful of not losing too much hp in the chambers
although idrk if diamonds are actually that valuable at the contractor table, i dont remember what's on there
soft kiln
2 diamonds = 1 ambrosia. there are a few things that require diamonds but not a ton other than music.
untold wagon
Cool thank you
dreamy prism
you need diamonds to bumrush companions so buying from styx if that doesn't rank your run is good
random relic
you need diamonds to bumrush companions so buying from styx if that doesn't rank...
you dont need diamonds, do you?
dreamy prism
you dont need diamonds, do you?
oh for releasing the pacts and stuff
dreamy prism
yeah that's true
but antos is meta for all heats and speedrunning so gotta unlock it asap
plain river
but antos is meta for all heats and speedrunning so gotta unlock it asap
Antos 💪🐜💪
random relic
antos cant do 4 witch meg
lucid oar
Not with that attitude
random relic
id like to see you try
dreamy prism
I do it all the time
honest shadow
What makes antos better than battie?
dreamy prism
What makes antos better than battie?
sorry that was me memeing
battie > antos almost always
plain river
battie > antos almost always
strange lark
Rib is way better than battie
twin cloak
fidi clears
random relic
yeah battie is good because it can still hit multiple targets with the right setup anyway
random relic
dad and styx miniboss are the only points where antos would technically be better than battie but normally you dont summon in styx and the 500 damage difference in dad isnt worth it for the difference battie makes in the rest of the run
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fidi strips DC shields
which one is fidi lmao
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dusa
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allegedly she can outdamage single target meg if she hits all shots
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true
shell sleet
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it is lmao
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any build tips for Aspect of Rama bow build? this aspect is so hard to use, or maybe i just have massive skill issue
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any build tips for Aspect of Rama bow build? this aspect is so hard to use, or m...
It has a bit of a steep learning curve, it also requires good bow basics to begin with, I wrote something about it a while ago lemme look for it
Start with a beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
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Start with a beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can...
zeus for special or normal attack modifier? it should be for special right
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zeus for special or normal attack modifier? it should be for special right
Special, as stated you only want Attacks that give you a +% boost on Rama, Zeus isn't one of those
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Special, as stated you only want Attacks that give you a +% boost on Rama, Zeus ...
so ares should be fine on normal attack right? how about aphrodite weak?
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so ares should be fine on normal attack right? how about aphrodite weak?
Ares Zeus and Dionysus are for your Special, they are flat damage gods not +%
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ah ok thx
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For your Attack Aprho is really good because it has the biggest modifier, Artemis has crits, the others are nice if they have rarity
To make up for their not-so-high %
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Ares Zeus and Dionysus are for your Special, they are flat damage gods not +%
hoo, i though Ares should be for normal attack instead, is the mechanic same with another weapon? because i though normal attack with high dps like gun or gauntlet only good with debuff which can be stacked many times like hangover and chill, or zeus.
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hoo, i though Ares should be for normal attack instead, is the mechanic same wit...
For things that attack quickly with low base damage you use Flat damage, because scaling that base damage isnt worth it, for things that attack slowly but have high base damage you scale the base damage further because putting Flat damage on it doesn't do much and it'll be slow at applying it
Rama's attack has massive base damage, and scales even more through hammers, Rama's Special is 3 quick arrows that do like 5 damage each, got the idea? One wants to scale its actual damage further and the other wants to gets damage from external sources because it's fast enough to keep applying them repeatedly
The Rail and Fists Attack is fast but doesn't have high base damage so yes, you should use flat damage on it, Zeus is really good because if you get more of him you can do more than Dio, Ares is alright on its own, becomes much stronger with Merciful End, which itself isn't amazing on the Rail but really good on Fists
So for Rail go Zeus attack, or Dio if very high heat, for Fists go Zeus or Ares if you plan on going for Merciful End, Dio is also solid on fists
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From what I understand for bows you basically only want to use dash-strikes, as they charge up much faster. So another question for basic bow skills - how to play it with FO2?
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same as you play it without fo2, stuff is just slightly faster. if you need to give yourself space to powershot you can double dash then charge or dash away from the enemy
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Because it seems like everything that hits me during charge shot my poise is broken and shot charging end. That's pretty annoying and break my killing
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Maybe increase distance between enemies and yourself
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You have to get better at positioning yourself and knowing when it's safe to powershot
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Maybe watch a Zag Bow speedrun to give you an idea.
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what's the best keepsake to run with hestia
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you can start with aphrodite and pom the crap out of it throughout the run or you can run shackle the whole way
if you get common aphrodite atk then it'll be a bit sad tho
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Just start Tidal Dash
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or that
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I like arte on hestia
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I like arte on hestia
i actually tried shackle then pom pressure points but i need to pray for chaos atk boons
also had hunter dash
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hunter's dash with hestia is pretty good since you're nearly always dashing
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zeus shield tends to be paired with zeus special i believe
and then every zeus supporting boon optional after that lmao
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yeah
proper furnace
Zeus^2
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another popular build is ares attack or special, athena on the other one and merciful end
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personally, i've found ares to be a good combo, especially with the pull
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What about a Zeus build, but then aphrodite on attack or something for the duo boon, and Zeus call of course.
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im pretty sure that's ideal for zeus shield yeah
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Smair is great yeah
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i actually tried shackle then pom pressure points but i need to pray for chaos a...
Shackle hestia was a really fun run when I did it
Didn’t try to pick up pressure points though
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Pressure points isnt really something worth hunting for
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Does someone know if all Excalibur attacks will benefit from dash strike bonus damage if I dash during each attack animation
if that makes sense
Otherwise it's pretty bad on this aspect
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Does someone know if all Excalibur attacks will benefit from dash strike bonus d...
nope
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Only first one count as a dash attack i suppose, too bad :c
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none of the swings count as dash attacks
only specifically dash then attack which is the straight lunge attack
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which shield aspect is the best?
and what boons are good for it?
i noticed people go dionysus special a lot
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which shield aspect is the best?
all shields are good, chaos is weakest but still okay
the best for most players is beowulf
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don't have that one yet
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do you have hera?
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hera? isn't that for bow?
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that's right