I mean when you stack everything together
#h1-discussion
acoustic bolt
yeah you're probably right.
rustic vale
if you want actual math I don't have that for you but off the top of my head? tempest strike
acoustic bolt
i just killed the champs at almost exactly the same time lol
rustic vale
i just killed the champs at almost exactly the same time lol
best feeling
celest shell
I just did 40% speed for the first time and I was NOT ready for super fast armored Asterius.
lean timber
:)
warm nimbus
nectar makes it 100% chance for rare, and then increases chance for epic, duo, and legendary boons
unreal widget
Hi! Is there an official modding API for Hades?
warm nimbus
Hi! Is there an official modding API for Hades?
you can ask in the modding server pinned in #self-promotion, theyll probably know
unreal widget
Ah, completely missed that. I'll look there, thanks!
brisk trail
crying about the hades merch
it comes out a day before birthday
also @chilly stump hope you don’t mind me asking (also don’t know if this is the right place to ask) do you know if the hades merch is an all together thing or separate?
manic bobcat
I really hope they bring back the Red poster from the old shop.
void vigil
also <@321487026501451788> hope you don’t mind me asking (also don’t know if thi...
if youre asking if the items are in a bundle, looking at other fangamer stuff theyre probably separate except for the pins which it seems you will be able to mix and match
narrow hemlock
I really hope they bring back the Red poster from the old shop.
maybe!
Q: When will merchandise from your past titles be available again?
A: We're working with Fangamer to bring over select items of our past merchandise, which we expect will be available through them later this year.
hot ether
ok so quick question how do you unlock the next part of hypnos's heart thing?
vivid zealot
Definitely not worldwide shipping (I just got email from them) 😕
brisk trail
ok so quick question how do you unlock the next part of hypnos's heart thing?
||at some point he’ll ask you to talk to Thanatos, though it may not be straight away since at times of course hypnos may be off the job or than won’t be around||
hollow path
i'm having the best chiron bow build rn
hollow path
i literally one shot single targets and no one can get near to me with dio and demeter duo boon with 2 casts
i also have max special arrows and consecutive volley
hard plaza
How do you do the || favors for zues,Aphrodite,hermes? || Im trying to finish all the bonds for || The Queen’s Plan ||
mental vale
according to the wiki:
||zeus: random dialogue with him and other gods||
||hermes: random dialogue while you have max keepsake equipped||
||aphrodite: max affinity with all 3 possible partners + random dialogue||
how do people get super fast runs w/o black magic? like even when i have amazing builds i feel like i physically cannot go any faster
rustic vale
how do people get super fast runs w/o black magic? like even when i have amazing...
I think there are certainly intentional things that can be done to get your run time down but also partially it comes with time
I used to spend 30 minutes on runs now most of mine end up under 20
high island
old kayak
almost at ten wins
acoustic bolt
if i have zeus special with lucifer do the pulses shoot lightning?
or only the explosion?
covert bobcat
hi all, I'm new here. been playing hades a while and just finished the first arc in hell mode :3
covert bobcat
if i have zeus special with lucifer do the pulses shoot lightning?
ooh a worthy experiment
signal aspen
if i have zeus special with lucifer do the pulses shoot lightning?
they do but a big % damage boon on special is much better because of the high base damage of the specials
do you have an attack yet
covert bobcat
I'm not as familiar with zeus' boons as I am with others. I used to undervalue zeus until my friend recently cleared with a time of 11:15, achilles spear, zeus and poseidon boons only
signal aspen
if you dont try to get zeus attack
rustic vale
if i have zeus special with lucifer do the pulses shoot lightning?
Yes because the special pulses slow enough to keep up with the internal timer iirc
rustic vale
they do but a big % damage boon on special is much better because of the high ba...
This is true
latent moon
Yeah seems like it
signal aspen
Lemme try to find the codex one
The codex one is the same thing but with the codex 
Basically when you open and close the codex rapidly you can slowly move across the room with the timer paused
So it's banned
acoustic bolt
do you have an attack yet
Sorry had to step away I have Poseidon attack
old kayak
i melted ||hades|| with ||Excalibur||
signal aspen
not until really high heats
patent mesa
hestia tanks RI the best of any aspect pretty much
you don't need to shackle up, aphro attack is great and doesn't need many poms
signal aspen
unless its common
and it most likely will be common
so you do need many poms on it
acoustic bolt
i though ok i'll take care of approval process at the same time
game gives me rare heartbreak strike and removes it
screw you hades
patent mesa
if you're running AP at the same time shackle up for an easy time
acoustic bolt
yeah i gave up to do that
underworld customs, forced overtime, routine inspection, approval process
this is going to be awful
mint coral
just do them 1-2 at time so you dont hate it lol
hot ether
||at some point he’ll ask you to talk to Thanatos, though it may not be straight...
||is that before or after him asking for the bulls autograph||
mint coral
autograph doesnt matter for hypnos lock
lean timber
i run RI sometimes
acoustic bolt
does spread fire make the empowered shot base damage 30 higher?
warm nimbus
worst pact in the game
ri better than em4 or ap2 sometimes tho
but you dont take ri until 50+ almost always
patent mesa
ri better than em4 or ap2 sometimes tho
all the homies hate AP2
acoustic bolt
i'm reading that spread fire doesn't really interact with spread fire?
err with hestia
signal aspen
yeah it doesnt
acoustic bolt
rocket bomb it is then
patent mesa
rocket's good with hesty
warm nimbus
rocket->clockets and hazard are probably best hesty hammers
patent mesa
seeking fire:
warm nimbus
bruh
old kayak
i beat the main story
warm nimbus
nice!
orchid grotto
So uh i have seen a lot of People say the true game starts when you unlock the pact of punisshment
But i have beaten it 10 times, got the ending, played some more and i dont feel an incentive to activate the pact
narrow hemlock
you dont need to use the pact. people say that because the pact is not available until your first win, so its not inherently wrong to say
the vast majority of your playtime is likely going to be post-pact
orchid grotto
People make it seem like the pact is like a very core part of the experience
narrow hemlock
for many it is
orchid grotto
So it feels like i should care? Idk
acoustic bolt
tbf you can't really upgrade all the weapons without hte pact
narrow hemlock
i dont enjoy climbing heat ranks but i do still use the pact
acoustic bolt
i mean you can but it'll take forever
so if you want to use all the maxed out weapons that's a thing. but otherwise it doesn't matter
narrow hemlock
also theres additional boss dialogue when you turn on extreme measures. em changes nothing else about your run except the bosses, so at nothing else you could just run that
orchid grotto
The thing is, im not playing the game coz i want a Hard as balls game, i have plenty of those, im playing for the amazing art, the music and the right combat
And the story *
acoustic bolt
some of the pacts don't make it really any harder
it looks daunting but it's barely noticeable. the extreme measures changes the fights, that's noticeable.
a 9 minute time limit per biome isn't really anything
i'm just saying if you want to get the weapons maxed for more enjoyment, there are ways to do it that don't increase the difficulty all that much
orchid grotto
Im fine with my weapons rn
acoustic bolt
then who cares it' sa single player game
mint coral
If you want the epilogue not take ages you prob will need the pact
acoustic bolt
hell mod it and make it easier. or use a mod to unlock everything and just have fun with it at the current difficulty
mint coral
Wait actually you can get epilogue with 6 starting ambrosia no? 
I dont remember how many ambrosia you need per god
acoustic bolt
i'm still working on it i donno XD
orchid grotto
If you want the epilogue not take ages you prob will need the pact
I should probably clarify that im not playing the game atm, i have stopped a while back and im fulfilled with my experience, Just curious about the appeal of the pact
acoustic bolt
it's just fun to be good at stuff
i play slay the spire on ascension 20 because it's satisfying
mint coral
A lot of people like to challenges themselves yeah
narrow hemlock
again, extreme measures contains additional dialogue, if you play the game for story. much of my pact playtime was just running through bosses for new narrative
mint coral
Pretty sure i went to credits without touching the pact too
orchid grotto
Yeah i get that but is that enough of a reason to call it a core part of the hades experience?
patent mesa
I think so
narrow hemlock
yes..?
patent mesa
0 heat quickly becomes too steamrollable for a lot of players
narrow hemlock
the vast majority of the playersbase is going to touch the pact at some point, even if most do not climb up very high in levels
acoustic bolt
are you asking why people do it or are you debating about the definition of what's core in a single player game?
i was done with hollow knight once i defeated teh hollow knight. but tons of people did all teh pantheons
i would never say i didn't finish hollow knight
orchid grotto
I mean yes end game getting gud is cool and all but i think your average gamer doesnt do that very often
orchid grotto
are you asking why people do it or are you debating about the definition of what...
Not trying to debate
orchid grotto
i was done with hollow knight once i defeated teh hollow knight. but tons of pe...
Yes but hk's end game is more content when the pact is mostly the same content but harder
acoustic bolt
so i didn't start using the pact because i wanted a challenge. i started using it because teh game said you need this stuff to upgrade and you need to do this other stuff for the epilogue. so i figured hey why not increase the heat when i clear it so i feel a sense of progression?
patent mesa
pact is for people who are into the gameplay part of the game
then it becomes extra content
orchid grotto
Well i do think the combat is amazing but not the main reason i was playing
acoustic bolt
agreed. i just love the ride and the variety.
but i am very excited for the modders adding more gods and stuff. i think that can only improve the experience
patent mesa
then yeah it might not be for you
manic bobcat
Well i do think the combat is amazing but not the main reason i was playing
Then you can play another game after you feel like you are done with the contents you enjoy?
patent mesa
pact helps vary gameplay and provide substantial challenge
manic bobcat
I honestly don't know why we are arguing
acoustic bolt
tbh everyone...i'm afraid of em4. i haven't even looked at it :p
mint coral
Do it 
manic bobcat
tbh everyone...i'm afraid of em4. i haven't even looked at it :p
It looks at you instead. just standing there
mint coral
Also em4 isnt thaaaat awful
manic bobcat
Menacingly
patent mesa
with a meta build and other heat clamped down EM4 isn't that scary
mint coral
Is still hard, but not crazy
orchid grotto
Then you can play another game after you feel like you are done with the content...
Yes thats what i did, the reason i started this converasation is that a lot of People said that the real game starts when you unlock the pact which was weird to me since i never thought i had to use it
acoustic bolt
oh i also want the statues
the game said i will give you a prize
i want that prize
acoustic bolt
Do it <:dusa:522248771409543188>
i've been riding the heat guide that recommends a progression. not sure when em4 shows up but that's when i'll do it 😄
patent mesa
good prize
mint coral
i've been riding the heat guide that recommends a progression. not sure when em...
Oh you are going for 50+ heat?
Good luck
manic bobcat
Yes thats what i did, the reason i started this converasation is that a lot of P...
I've been here a while. Haven't seen anyone saying that.
I do see a decent amount of people encouraging others to try the pacts immediately after their first clear. Not sure if that counts though.
patent mesa
yeah a highly accurate heat progression will never recommend EM4 until that point
mint coral
Em4 gets baaad with other pacts, is also still a hard fight
And there a lot of easier pacts for 10 heats
patent mesa
exactly
acoustic bolt
oh lol i didn't realize it wasn't on that list. i'l just have to try it randomly i guess
patent mesa
at low heat you can add 10 heat and feel nothing
and even though just EM4 isn't too bad you still feel it
mint coral
I still suggest going to em4 without spoilers
manic bobcat
If you don't beat 32 heat first try after your first clear are you really a gamer?
mint coral
Yes
orchid grotto
I've been here a while. Haven't seen anyone saying that.
I do see a decent amoun...
Not talking about this server since i mostly engage with the transistor community here since its a game im more familiar with coz its smaller in scale but i have certainly heard that the pact is when the game truly starts as a statement
acoustic bolt
i think the only part of the hades experience that is a requirement
that makes you bad if you don't do it
and just a bad person irl
is not petting cerberus
like how dare you
acoustic bolt
i live for Hades saying tie doggy affection is nauseating
manic bobcat
animation takes way too long
local gamer says the quiet thing out loud
acoustic bolt
they probably just mean that's when the game becomes really challenging
orchid grotto
is not petting cerberus
Oh btw the first time i saw the "cerberus vanished" thing in styx i freaked out so much lol
acoustic bolt
which is probably fair.
acoustic bolt
Oh btw the first time i saw the "cerberus vanished" thing in styx i freaked out ...
i'm sad every time he isn't home yet'
mint coral
Oh btw the first time i saw the "cerberus vanished" thing in styx i freaked out ...
"Cerberus defeated" (not really)
manic bobcat
Cerberus accepts bribes.
Cerberus should be in jail.
But Underworld nepotism rules.
acoustic bolt
does he stay out if you die? is that what causes it? i haven't been paying attention
manic bobcat
#LockCerbyUp
orchid grotto
does he stay out if you die? is that what causes it? i haven't been paying atten...
Imagine poor cerberus waiting for stupid zag to arrive but he doesnt so cerb sits there sad with no company 😢
mint coral
Good luck trying to lock a clifford like dog
acoustic bolt
Imagine poor cerberus waiting for stupid zag to arrive but he doesnt so cerb sit...
just sitting there excited that he's going to get another satyr sack.
also apparently charon doesn't count as company
poor charon
acoustic bolt
acoustic bolt
ok i'm now a demeter believer
could not find merciless end but it didn't matter at all
moving around the battlefield feels so much smoother with fists than sword wow
lean timber
he's been converted let's gooooo we got em
chrome wharf
Cerby should turn himself in
he did and dad says it's ok, here's a treat
rustic vale
Poseidon special talos is the only way to play talos 💪
old kayak
what does jolted do
rustic vale
Enemy attacks and jolted damage happens
latent moon
when enemies try to atk they take some damage
it's a status effect so it can enable pstatus
rustic vale
I’m not sure how it works on keyboard and mouse but on console you can just hover over a boon for a second and any keywords will have their definitions revealed to you
Such as with jolted
rustic vale
so you can do that if you’re wondering what a given status effect does or anything else
Might save you time over asking here
acoustic bolt
is the secret to unlocking the gods favor getting a heroic boon or switching one gods epic to another gods heroic?
acoustic bolt
i just unlocked zeus' by switching epic dio flourish for zeus heroic flourish
maybe it's just about getting a certain number of boons
acoustic bolt
oh
rustic vale
And having zeus say he wants to reconnect with hades iirc
None of the favours have to do with boons iirc
acoustic bolt
just stuff that happens automatically got it
oh no i'm being offered chaos and a hammer on a chiron run
acoustic bolt
well ok then
rustic vale
You can see chaos or force him through items again
When I say items I mean the ones from the pools that you spend obols on
acoustic bolt
i was confused for a second but figured it out
heh got explosive shot and fulfilled a prophecy nice
acoustic bolt
nah like flurry and something else not great
covert bobcat
Explosive shot huge pog
Fulfilling prophecy huge pog
acoustic bolt
i have only a few boons, and a heroic flourish
do i go for a pom or hermes
i'm starting to think i just want poms
rustic vale
Hermes
acoustic bolt
ok why
rustic vale
which flourish?
acoustic bolt
thunder flourish
acoustic bolt
eh it was heroic. at base it was like 120 damage a volley aoe
rustic vale
Normally take hermes over a pom, hope for hypersprint
Or if you see a purple flourish from hermes take it
rustic vale
Pretty sure it does
signal aspen
it does
latent moon
will epic swift special let me get a 4th volley in
Common works too but it's tight
rustic vale
And if you pick up concentrated volley then you’ll be able to chain it
rustic vale
Hypersprint at common is fine though
acoustic bolt
does it last long enough to do anything
rustic vale
yeah?
acoustic bolt
i guess i'm trying to dash special
oh that's why i hadn't fulfilled the explosive shot prophecy
the charge feels awful
latent moon
i did that
was not fun
absolute pain
you have to point blank everything and at that point it's just playing budget tripleshot lmao
latent moon
does it last long enough to do anything
also it's 0.5 vs 0.6/0.7 depending on the rarity and yes, 0.1 can be a large factor in games sometimes but you should have plenty of time to get good damage in that time frame
acoustic bolt
<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
from context clues i have decided that bouldy means something is bad?
or weak?
or a meme maybe
acoustic bolt
why do you say that?
patent mesa
chaos > hammer unless you're desperate
warm nimbus
chaos > 2nd hammer literally always except in high heat
acoustic bolt
i think it was the first one
warm nimbus
a bit more ambiguous there but id still take chaos
acoustic bolt
it does the same thign with hermes right?
if you pass it you're likely to see it again?
acoustic bolt
the what
acoustic bolt
is this explained somewhere
acoustic bolt
can you post an invite link?
warm nimbus
its pinned in #self-promotion
acoustic bolt
so the more gold rewards you take the more likely you are to see repeats?
like if you skip hammer you really want to take more gold if you want to see it again
oh no it doesn't matter what you take
huh. so you can't really control it it just informs what you might see later
warm nimbus
yeah its not exactly controllable
but it means that by the time to get to elysium you already have like 4 2nd hammers in the bag
which is why you like almost always see one at the very beginning
and also means that skipping that hammer for a chaos gate isnt a big deal because there are still a lot of hammers left in the bag
acoustic bolt
is chaos just completely random?
warm nimbus
yeah
except after seeing a chaos gate you cant see another one until at least 8 chambers later
latent moon
unless you force it from a well
warm nimbus
yeah
acoustic bolt
if you force it does that at least 8 chambers later rule restart?
or is it 8 from the last natural one
latent moon
i would think the rule would restart
acoustic bolt
in this last hammer scenario why would you skip a 2nd hammer but 1st is more dubious? if it's the 2nd one isn't it less likely you'll see another?
in the bag are they actually flagged as hammer 1 and hammer 2? or are there just 2 hammers in the bag
acoustic bolt
damn i need like a visual aid lol
shouldn't you be likely to see multiple hammers in elysium if you just didn't take any until then?
i guess it doesn't matter if i understand the mechanic perfectly. the short version is if you have a hammer already, then skipping the second one is pretty safe
warm nimbus
yeah
acoustic bolt
i guess the chaos rule is pretty important because deciding to skip a boon could mean you end up skipping a second one because you forgot you can see chaos again
fossil sphinx
Does the game ever run out of dialogues lol
patent mesa
Does the game ever run out of dialogues lol
sadly yes
lean timber
i have unfortunately reached that 98% part where i only get new dialogs if i do higher heats and activate EM4 and all that special stuff
sad to see nyx go quiet
cosmic socket
Can someone help me right quick i just have a question about the game
acoustic bolt
Can someone help me right quick i just have a question about the game
sup
also you're more likely to get an answer if you just ask without asking if you can ask :p
cosmic socket
Im like really new only have about 5 runs so no clue what to do with it but i got a diamond after I killed the bone hydra what do i do with that?
mental vale
it will be useful later to buy certain plot-related things
don't trade it to the broker
mint coral
There is also a bunch of work orders with diamonds, that are not plot related
acoustic bolt
Im like really new only have about 5 runs so no clue what to do with it but i go...
sory i didn't see this. yeah diamonds are just one of the handful of in game currencies. you'll use a lot of them doing renovations and upgrading the underworld.
wow 8 darkness away from || eldest sigil restoration ||
lean timber
chaos and nyx get to be friends again yay
acoustic bolt
|| i spoilered stuff because there's clearly a new person fresh to the game here right now :p ||
lean timber
skill issue
acoustic bolt
XD
acoustic bolt
|| how many ambrosia do i actually need for all the favor? i just got 15 and i have weapons i want to upgrade ||
solemn crown
wait isnt ambrosias for trade?
solemn crown
like what
lean timber
forging bonds with characters and increasing the rank of cthonic companions
lean timber
you have to forge bonds with a few people
acoustic bolt
ah forgot about the companions
lean timber
they will gift you a companion
acoustic bolt
damn i just traded 10 away
lean timber
you can't summon dad but you can use his keepsake
acoustic bolt
whelp guess i'm doing more heat
lean timber
yeah u need 60 to max companions
solemn crown
what is forge bonds i dont have to good english yk
acoustic bolt
when you give them nectar that heart is increasing favor
solemn crown
i should give the nectars i guess
acoustic bolt
eventually you give htem ambrosia and form bonds
lean timber
yes that's the first part of it
lean timber
first you give them nectars, then the ambrosia
megaera's is the best
the fury sister
solemn crown
i dont want use the useless some
acoustic bolt
is it because it's aoe?
solemn crown
yeah i know meg
lean timber
it's high damage, very fast, and continues down the line so it hits many targets
acoustic bolt
the best one is the one you want to be friends with the most :3
lean timber
true
solemn crown
ok meg wait me then
lean timber
they're all cool but i would only realistically take two of the six on real runs
acoustic bolt
my first one was meg because i put a bunch of effort into befriending her
lean timber
she's cool
solemn crown
thank you guys
acoustic bolt
|| the thanatos relationship is weird since they grew up thinking they were brothers. well, zag did. i guess thanatos was presumably grown a long time before zag was born ||
|| of course we're talking about greek gods so maybe not that weird ||
lean timber
there's actually a dialog that talks about that
they knew they weren't blood, they just were both raised by nyx so they thought of each other as family
kind of
acoustic bolt
|| i mean zag thought nyx was his mother and she is thanatos' mother. why wouldn't they think they're blood? or did zag know nyx wasn't his mom from the start. i can't remember now ||
lean timber
zag knew. the whole point of trying to escape the underworld was to find his mother. i think he knew that from the start
geez idk anymore actually
short glen
He certainly finds out during the game, but I think it was a flashback
acoustic bolt
if i sell a core boon that's been level'd up and i replace it with another core later, will it keep the levels?
acoustic bolt
k thanks
old kayak
i lost my win streak
celest forge
Is there anyway to get this crazy allways firing bow more often?
torpid eagle
the best one is the one you want to be friends with the most :3
Dusa companion sucks yet she's the best character in the game
torpid eagle
Is there anyway to get this crazy allways firing bow more often?
- You can get spoiler-free answers in #h1-for-new-players
- If you gift Aphrodite a bottle of Nectar she will give you a keepsake that makes the first ability (boon) you get in a run be an Aphrodite's boon
You can equip keepsakes in the weapon room
torpid eagle
However
rustic vale
I think they mean flurry shot hammer?
torpid eagle
Yeah
I was going to comment
on that one
There is no consistent way to get a hammer
plus, even if you get a hammer there's a chance you don't get flurry shot
So that part IS rng
rustic vale
If only there was a way to control hammers 
torpid eagle
I mean, the ability to roll rooms and boon options exists
rustic vale
You can’t reroll hammers
rustic vale
Yup
torpid eagle
I never had to roll hammers that's why I didn't noticed
rustic vale
There is no consistent way to get a hammer
If you run dark foresight you’re practically guaranteed to hit your 2 hammers
torpid eagle
There is no consistent way to get a hammer
(Atleast not at that stage of the game 
)
Good luck
mint coral
Can practice to play without flurry shot too (aka practice dash strikes-powershot timing)
Or change weapons
latent moon
i think some upgrades in the contractor's table are actually good and use gemstones
rustic vale
Trades
latent moon
but not entirely sure on that
gray apex
Do gemstones have any use other than for buying furniture?
You can use them to buy one of the Themes and some early work orders iirc
latent moon
oh yeah trades
torpid eagle
You can use them to buy one of the Themes and some early work orders iirc
The early ones are done
so
Trades and decoration
Thank you
What about diamonds?
Already did Erebus and the other ones
latent moon
fishing rod is good
upgrading troves, fountains, stuff like that might cost diamond i dont remember
lean timber
have you freed everyone?
surreal tartan
Maxed out my bond with haded and now the sigil of the dead has this little cartoon hades on it. Does it serve any extra purpose?
hasty fiber
Hey guys dumb question
Do you think it’s possible for a duo boon to proc in a “double boon” room? Where you piss off the other god. ((And the boon I’m going for is the duo of both gods in the room?))
signal aspen
no
rustic vale
No
patent mesa
sadly duos can't show up at all in trials
patent mesa
but legendaries are fair game, good to remember
tall holly
completed the main storyline finally :D
i spent SO DAMN LONG perfecting demeter merciful end fists just for him to let me leave
so now i'm kinda depressed
latent moon
it do be like that
rustic vale
EM6
gray apex
what conditions for 16?
Look into TD3 EM3 BP1 UC MM
latent moon
i was gonna suggest td3 em2 fo2 hl1 lol
rustic vale
Look into TD3 EM3 BP1 UC MM
EM6 
gray apex
Not all of them because that’s more than 16 but those are good ones
FO is a difficult pact
latent moon
personally i found learning fo2 easier than em3 for 16 heat lol
tall holly
td3 idk i guess
gray apex
Just turn it on
tall holly
whats UC
warm nimbus
i think fo is a difficult pact but its absolutely worth learning early imo
tall holly
oh
gray apex
Sell a boon
latent moon
i think fo is a difficult pact but its absolutely worth learning early imo
this and td3
warm nimbus
yes
gray apex
i think fo is a difficult pact but its absolutely worth learning early imo
A lot of people’s goals are 16 heat or at max 32 for the statue both of which you don’t need it for
latent moon
free 12 heat i believe
warm nimbus
A lot of people’s goals are 16 heat or at max 32 for the statue both of which yo...
that is true lol
gray apex
If you don’t plan to go further it’s not that worth it
latent moon
fair lol
gray apex
It’s just like a lot of other pacts
warm nimbus
i still recommend fo2 instead of hl5 at 32 tbh
gray apex
I ran FO2 for my first 32 but way more people succeed with the FO0 HL5 pact
warm nimbus
really?
gray apex
Because it’s just easier overall
warm nimbus
im surprised by that actually
fo2 was definitely really difficult for my first 32 but thats because i was using rama and had no idea what i was doing
latent moon
em3 fo2 td2 bp2
bp2 is 2 each, all the stuff before total to 15
gray apex
BP2 is 2 + 3
warm nimbus
bp2 is 2 each, all the stuff before total to 15
bp1 is 2 heat, bp2 is 5
gray apex
So 5
latent moon
oh oops
gray apex
fo2 was definitely really difficult for my first 32 but thats because i was usin...
Rama has its learning curve yea
latent moon
but point still stands, their total is at 17 heat rn
warm nimbus
yeah fs
i want to try to get good at it, it has a lot of potential
in literally every single category
gray apex
Lots of buttons
warm nimbus
hestia is the one super mechanically demanding aspect in this game
it presses like every button 5 times every room
patent mesa
by the end I had to spam splash dash + attack + cluster + cast + smoldering call
so many buttons
warm nimbus
hestia moment
patent mesa
I miss eris
warm nimbus
thats why im a fan of eris lol
warm nimbus
eris fwr was no clockets btw
patent mesa
damn
warm nimbus
i said no hades until tmrw but its the only thing i want to play rn so imma do that
latent moon
patent mesa
lmao
patent mesa
excuse me
latent moon
sounds like someone doesn't like 1 shotting bosses
warm nimbus
have you heard of epic rd clockets with hades call?
rustic vale
you heard it here first
I think I’ve seen you say it before in a rant about why chaos shield was the bedt
warm nimbus
that instaphases bosses pretty well
warm nimbus
I think I’ve seen you say it before in a rant about why chaos shield was the bed...
damn it
rustic vale
But maybe I’m remembering the wrong person
signal aspen
eris fwr was no clockets btw
What
patent mesa
absolutely chaos. chaos is by far the best shield aspect and dont let anyone tell you otherwise. chaos has no downsides, while zeus does have a downside, and its that your special moves slower. being able to actually deal damage with your special is completely irrelevant if its slow and impossible to use, but having more specials is clearly better. what even is a "blitz disc" anyway? what a terrible name. "bonus shields" is the stuff im after. just think how much cooler it is to be able to throw 6 shields at once like captain america compared to just lazily sliding your shield along the ground. and dont even get me started on the design of the shields. the aspect of chaos' design on the shield is clearly surperior, because it is one big eye, while zeus has two small eyes. who doesnt like big eyes? not me! and also, chaos (the character) is just objectively cooler and more egg than zeus, who is neither cool nor egg. this is why the aspect of zeus on aegis, the shield of chaos, is clearly worse than the aspect of chaos on aegis, the shield of chaos. i mean, the aspect is even named after the original owner of the shield! it clearly gets bonus points for that. beowulf is even worse. its way too slow and doesnt deal any damage whatsoever. i tested the dps of beowulf vs chaos shield on skelly and determined that chaos shield was actually way faster and was clearly easier to use. and realistically, the size of beowulfs cast makes it almost impossible to use. its so small that youd never see any real use of it. chaos shield on the other hand is so versatile with its shield throwing ability that goes much farther. the special on beowulf is absolute trash in comparison, and thats something you should really consider when choosing which aspect is better. the best cast, normally (slicing shot) is somehow terrible on beo and i dont even want to try any of the other casts for fear of how bad they are. zagreus is just boring. who thought adding more damage would be more fun?
signal aspen
am i stupid
Are you thinking of wmics old wr with no dash
signal aspen
Eris wr back in early access was probably no clockets
warm nimbus
lmao
i could have sworn
oh well
ok anyway @patent mesa just play eris anyway its gamer
warm nimbus
i just got 7:12 first try today
with no rd or clockets
signal aspen
Shouldn't be that bad with guaranteed rocket
patent mesa
but that was with cheat engine
warm nimbus
you are also doing it with cheat engine
patent mesa
hm good point
warm nimbus
also that 7:12 had like a 2:30 tart lmfao
patent mesa
wtf
signal aspen
Sub6able pace
patent mesa
if I get 2:30 tart I'm about ready to quick reset
warm nimbus
lol yeah my build wasnt even that good
also in that run was me rolling over epic dashes looking for hyper sprint
i got epic dashes again
so i just took them lol
that was in tart midshop
patent mesa
feel like you just want epic dashes right
signal aspen
Always take the dashes
warm nimbus
yeah ik but i was really rd hungry
signal aspen
If you see them first hermes take them
patent mesa
kids these days only know RD
warm nimbus
lmao
so i got a 2:30 tart and was in lernie fight at 3:15 or smth like that
crazy aspho skip
signal aspen
I think I have a 7:15 with no clockets no rd and no dashes
warm nimbus
i think i went like than->midshop->fountain->eury->endshop or smth like that lol
patent mesa
i think i went like than->midshop->fountain->eury->endshop or smth like that lol
god those streaks hit different
signal aspen
Impressive until you look at the cheat engine
warm nimbus
lol
warm nimbus
aspho rooms can be just as bad as ely rooms sometimes imo
then again im really bad at aspho
but like that room with the stairs is evil
and so is the donut room
patent mesa
my favorite is when you enter a room and pick the wrong direction to look down
patent mesa
or when you scout the entire map and find two bombers on those edge islands
signal aspen
patent mesa
aspho moment
warm nimbus
man im realizing how many cursed rooms were in that speedrun
i think i had a 30s ely room
signal aspen
Why tho
patent mesa
bruh
signal aspen
Just go faster
warm nimbus
and a c2 tart that wouldnt stop spawning unarmored witches
signal aspen
and a c2 tart that wouldnt stop spawning unarmored witches
So your c2s are not always like this?
https://youtu.be/n6igLLIz_s8
patent mesa
god that's hot
patent mesa
oh that's actually a feature on a discord bot I own
it finds cheat engine on a given image
warm nimbus
lmao nice
patent mesa
here I'll do it on your avatar
signal aspen
Don't expose me bro
warm nimbus
wait im not cheat engine
warm nimbus
NOOOO
signal aspen
🔫
patent mesa
speedrunners agree
signal aspen
Er way better
signal aspen
speedrunners agree
Nah most speedrunners I know like er more
patent mesa
hm really
warm nimbus
yeah most people like er
signal aspen
The explosion is so big
patent mesa
I just noticed modpack sets default to cshot
warm nimbus
its the default hammer for it in modpack
signal aspen
And procs special effects like doom and lightning
warm nimbus
is tidal dash good on zeus zeus
rustic vale
Hmm
warm nimbus
ill take that as a yes
rustic vale
Might end up knocking them out of your special
warm nimbus
god i forgot how much 32 heat is literally just like ever so slightly harder any heat
it feels almost the exact same
warm nimbus
when you purge hermes 😎
mint coral
god i forgot how much 32 heat is literally just like ever so slightly harder any...
Spicy any heat
warm nimbus
also is it just me or is cshot just better than er on zeus
lol just get both ez
chrome wharf
god i forgot how much 32 heat is literally just like ever so slightly harder any...
try random 32 heat bonus if you randomize the mirror and equips too
coarse iris
First time using spoilers tag hope they work on mobile. || Finally got Mort. Got to Hades and then noticed I can't use it in the fight. I died lmao ||
covert bobcat
||you can use summons against hades. Did you run out of uses?||
mental vale
||No, there's a certain dialogue where hades will say "ok you can use summons now lmao" and before that you can't||
covert bobcat
||ohhh||
mint coral
No need for spoiler marks in this channel btw
And before that dialogue only and skelly work as an aside
coarse iris
||No, there's a certain dialogue where hades will say "ok you can use summons no...
No way hahahaha
acoustic bolt
i just got it today
he basically plays it off as his employees being scared of directly attacking him XD
coarse iris
I recently got the game. A friend of mine was bothering me to play it. I regret not listening to her sooner.
acoustic bolt
oh man me too
coarse iris
he basically plays it off as his employees being scared of directly attacking hi...
Now I have to get that. That is hilarious
acoustic bolt
my roommate has been on my case about it since early access
but no i just play every other roguelike ever and watch tv
XD
coarse iris
SAME. I only got it cause she said: it's on Xbox now! And game pass, no excuse!
And here I am. Addicted. Haha
acoustic bolt
hard same
work and chores are just things i need to do in between playing hades >.>
this may or may not be more of a reaction to just trying to ignore the -vaguely gestures at everything- but whatever who needs mental health XD
coarse iris
... I have the vacuum staring at me in the living room for the past week forgotten cause Ive been playing 🤣
It's just a good distraction, not gonna lie. Even if I die, it doesn't get me angry or frustrated.
Fridays I work remote. So it's really tempting not to play while work is slow.
But I totally understand you. Gosh. I probably should at least wash the dishes lol
acoustic bolt
i'm glad i'm not alone lol
i think a lot of it is that hte world is so enchanting and relatable.
like i really like all of these characters and want to be hang out with them
latent moon
he basically plays it off as his employees being scared of directly attacking hi...
i mean you cant force them to attack their boss lol
acoustic bolt
i mean as why it's so easy not to get upset when you die
it's pleasant even to lose
latent moon
losing just progresses the story lol
mint coral
like i really like all of these characters and want to be hang out with them
Only character i would like to hang out is prob zag/skelly lol
coarse iris
i mean you cant force them to attack their boss lol
True to that lmao.
mental vale
Only character i would like to hang out is prob zag/skelly lol
asterius
latent moon
Only character i would like to hang out is prob zag/skelly lol
cerby
coarse iris
Only character i would like to hang out is prob zag/skelly lol
cerberus for me. I need to pet him
mint coral
Only 1 head tolerates being petted by zag, i doubt a common person lives to tell the tale
latent moon
the cursed option: theseus lmao
coarse iris
Only 1 head tolerates being petted by zag, i doubt a common person lives to tell...
Don't care. I would still pet. Death by a cute doggy.
acoustic bolt
just tbc by "hanging out" i meant playing the game experiencing the world. i didn't mean literally go get coffee if they were real :p
mint coral
the cursed option: theseus lmao
Cursed options is any of the gods
latent moon
lmao fair
coarse iris
Still will pet the doggy.
acoustic bolt
that said, how has nobody mentioned achilles, hypnos, and dusa?
latent moon
okay but big dog
acoustic bolt
hypnos is the perfect person to just chill with doing completely separate tasks
mint coral
Dusa doesnt seem like to talk with everyone
latent moon
they're not bad options, it's just that there's a much better option
latent moon
Dusa doesnt seem like to talk with everyone
dusa's just nervous and likes to work tho i thought
mint coral
Oh wait a better person
coarse iris
Thanatos?
mint coral
coarse iris
Lol
mint coral
Bouldy best boons giver
coarse iris
Wait. Waaaait
latent moon
the only similarity between and cerby is that they are large and sometime's that's all you need in life
acoustic bolt
honestly thanatos and meg seem chill if you're not acting making their lives harder
coarse iris
I think I read a spoiler but I have no regrets. Now I know about Bouldy hahah
acoustic bolt
well and just abandoning your family
mint coral
Ngl i dont like Than
latent moon
he kinda hot tho lmao
acoustic bolt
Than is the kind of friend who is always busy and then gets mad that you didn't call
coarse iris
Oh my God yes
latent moon
he goes out of his way to help zag out tho
acoustic bolt
yeah those friends roll through uninvited all the time too :p
zag likes than, but i bet he'd be stoked if he ever announced he was going to join later
btw Than is basically undead Miles Edgeworth
ok tell me if i'm just dumb
but who is the old man that narrates
latent moon
i'm pretty sure the game's more or less just a retelling of a story
or that
at the start of the game when you make a new file it says something like "let me tell you the story of zagreus"
coarse iris
☠️ when I forget to fish and go to the next chamber
acoustic bolt
☠️ when I forget to fish and go to the next chamber
acoustic bolt
oh right
latent moon
as soon as you leave the room, you have a small window of pausing the game and quitting
when you quit the game it saves right after you pick up your reward so you can go get your fish
acoustic bolt
that sounds a lot more useful for getting a chaos gate or obol trove than a fish
latent moon
it's really useful especially if you forget to fish in greece lol
latent moon
that sounds a lot more useful for getting a chaos gate or obol trove than a fish
i mean everyone's got their reasons lol
if you want the fish, then it's useful
if you forget there's a chaos gate, it's useful
acoustic bolt
sure, i'm just expressing how i feel about it. i think i'd rather have the 45 seconds it takes to go through all those steps
coarse iris
it's really useful especially if you forget to fish in greece lol
I've never gotten one there yet.
latent moon
it'll come up eventually
viscid snow
Do I have to be using the Fists to get the dialogue with Asterius to unlock Gilgamesh?
old kayak
how do you talk to the bolder
rustic vale
Do I have to be using the Fists to get the dialogue with Asterius to unlock Gilg...
You have to talk to him once with them on
Can’t remember if it’s exclusively in 1vs1’s or at the heroes fight
viscid snow
From what I see online it is in the 1v1s but I still can't get the dialogue.
rustic vale
But you get a dialogue where he comments on the fists and then you can talk to him using any weapon after that till you get the dialogue
viscid snow
I already maxed all the other aspects on the fists too.
rustic vale
Do you have the hidden spear
viscid snow
I do and the hidden sword
mint coral
Just keep trying
civic rose
I just love how this game seems to never end
patent mesa
warm nimbus
🗿
snow skiff
i hate that chain shot makes the arrow preview thing not go past the enemy
literally the only reason i don't take it
patent mesa
i hate that chain shot makes the arrow preview thing not go past the enemy
that's because it literally doesn't I'm pretty sure
snow skiff
It makes it annoying to visually gauge how much it's charged
patent mesa
you're visually annoying
snow skiff
Thanks i agree
rustic vale
demeter
patent mesa
man I just threw a 2:50 entering lernie
6:55 entering dad lmao
beo kinda easy to screw up tbh
latent moon
yeah that last run i did i could've easily cut off 30 seconds if i didn't mess up my lernie fight
patent mesa
yo my lernie fight was awful too
I quad cast into some random place and lost like 10s
latent moon
i was trying to look for a good bunch to blast at the same time but just screwed up everything
had to do 1 at a time after flailing about for a bit
celest shell
Does Tight Deadline affect the tunnels at all?
gray apex
Does Tight Deadline affect the tunnels at all?
No
quaint pier
is it worth going for lucifer. arthur or rama first ??
are they all relatively the same power level ??
patent mesa
hm depends on your play style
arthur is by far the easiest to use so might be worth going for that first
it's good at collecting bounties
quaint pier
ahhh okay
patent mesa
note that later on lucifer and especially rama pull away in power
but that's not really relevant to you right now
quaint pier
currently i have 3 bloods to spend, with 1 put into the sword and 3 into the bow
do i j keep investing into sword ??
patent mesa
arthur has a big advantage in that lvl1 is super strong already
so you don't need to put blood into it to reap the rewards
quaint pier
ohhh yeah
patent mesa
aka yeah I'd invest into sword
quaint pier
should i get posiedon or upg nemesis
patent mesa
poseidon is pretty good at lvl1 so worth unlocking
quaint pier
better than nem ??
patent mesa
then both love levels, at that point it's up to your perception
they play too differently to say one is better than the other for an arbitrary player
quaint pier
is there a general strat for poseidon ??