why, is there something that needs editing
#h1-discussion
void vigil
pearl relic
the last conversation i remember is thanatos giving hypnos advice on making lists. anyone have an idea on how many more conversations i'd need with them two together before unlocking hypnos's hearts? i'm not looking for an exact number or anything, but there seems to be around 14 conversations between zag, hypnos and thanatos and i have no idea how far i'm into it
gray apex
why, is there something that needs editing
Oh no I just thought there are mirror icons in the mirror section but I’m looking at it now and there isn’t sadge
Just keys darkness and whatever
modest cipher
the last conversation i remember is thanatos giving hypnos advice on making list...
Hopefully someone can give you a more concrete answer, but I think after Hypnos gets the list advice it's only a few more conversations left... Just a few people to react to the big improvement it makes.
vale ocean
"well this is the part where he kills us"
"hello! this is the part where i kill you"
"CHAPTER 9: THE PART WHERE HE KILLS YOU"
fast willow
i have dash on side button
pale barn
i dont mind spoilers, how do you complete the court musicians prophecy
modest cipher
Buy the lyre. Practice the lyre a lot (210 times). Speak to Orpheus each time you see him so you speak to him when you hit certain practice thresholds.
So on the path to 210, you want to speak to Orpheus at a few thresholds, I don't remember the numbers exactly but I think something like 1, 10, 110?
10/60/110/210 I'm seeing in previous messages
heavy sigil
210??? wth
void vigil
lots of strums
gray apex
I don't think that's his prophecy?
There is a prophecy to play the lyre 210 times or something yea and it gets you some dialogue from Orpheus but to unlock his last heart and form a bond, you have to reunite him with Euridice
modest cipher
Ah, I'm getting it mixed up. Thanks, MiKE
Wish I could practice just 210 times and master an instrument. What a god.
strong ridge
i mean he only plays the one song
desert aurora
i got the onion!!
icy knoll
desert aurora
pearl root
terse pendant
does aegis aspect of ZEUS proc doom and thunder flourish multiple times?
heady quiver
what can i use the codex for
mint coral
Check info about characters and trough a work order.ypu cann see the boons from the gods
Anf what you need to get them
odd canopy
Good god I love the bow on special boons.
icy knoll
which bow 
odd canopy
Zagreus aspect rn
Just being able to one or two shot 90% of enemies early is satisfying as hec
fresh steppe
with special?
raw herald
Seems like it
You should try Chiron if you like bow special
Has nearly all of the damage of zag bow special but with homing arrows
icy knoll
chiron good
odd canopy
Damage reduction is too great on top of having to pause every 2/3 shots to mark again. Maybe when it's fully upgraded
patent mesa
Damage reduction is too great on top of having to pause every 2/3 shots to mark ...
oh yeah you want chiron maxed to make it good
even then you'll likely find that it's a pretty inferior aspect as you turn up the heat, but in the early game it does really consistent and safe dps
icy knoll
i mean without mark chiron is just zag bow with a worse attack
patent mesa
yeah pretty much
I heard that zag bow with that charged volley hammer can become a strong special weapon
never tried it though
icy knoll
it's pretty good, not as good as twin/perfect
icy knoll
it's a fun weapon :)
odd canopy
The spear deserves more respect
signal aspen
What
patent mesa
tbh I think the spear deserves less respect lmao
signal aspen
odd canopy
But range
gray apex
What range
raw herald
Butt range 😳
dense bison
I've got a question about this boon
Last Stand
"Stubborn Defiance restores more ❤️ than usual. Replenish 1 use."
What use is it replenishing?
reef zodiac
Good question.
If you lost your stubborn defiance before picking up that boon, you will gain a death defiance (that will remain between chambers and will be used after you SD)
dense bison
Stubborn Defiance comes back every chamber, so I'm totally lost on what it's trying to replenish.
Stub. Def. is the one that comes back each chamber... right? I swear that's the one im using.
reef zodiac
If you didn’t love your SD before picking it up, it won’t do anything
Stubborn Defiance comes back every chamber. However, this gives you the ability to gain a death defiance
dense bison
Ah so because I have my SD, It's useless really.
slim geyser
yeah
dense bison
That being said the extra health bonus would be nice.
reef zodiac
Definitely
Last Stand is good with SD even if you forget to lose your SD before picking it up
slim geyser
sword good
reef zodiac
Well
signal aspen
No it sucks
raw herald
Ok (my mind is changed)
signal aspen
Wmicletsgo
raw herald
signal aspen
reef zodiac
Spear?
signal aspen
Lance
reef zodiac
There is definitely not a lance in this game
dense bison
Spear sorry
raw herald
Lancer (do do do dooooo)
dense bison
Tomato is just a red potato.
reef zodiac
No
dense bison
raw herald
Pomato
signal aspen
Pomato of power
dense bison
That being said I've absolutely killed this run. not in the good kind of kill either.
took really bad upgrades.
signal aspen
Which ones
dense bison
Oh mostly stuff that's slown me down really hard and not working well with what I've got.
signal aspen
Which ones
dense bison
Let me get their names lol
signal aspen
reef zodiac
No that’s the Tartarus boss
raw herald
Fury ous
signal aspen
No that’s the Tartarus boss
Just wait until you fight em3 for the first time
dense bison
LOL @reef zodiac
WOW I somehow did it. I //suck// at this boss. It destroys me everytime. Maybe it'll be okay? 😱
dense bison
I wasn't trying to do italics lol
reef zodiac
What does it mean then
dense bison
I guess the same intent italics would give. but I chose to do //
reef zodiac
I’ve never seen that before in my life ngl
dense bison
It's an old habit before * for italics was a thing in old mmos etc
Dash Nova [Special Lunge Ahead]
World Splitter [ Your attack becomes a chop.]
Swift Flourish [Your special is 10% faster]
Trippy Shot [Cast becomes Festive Fog]
they aren't particularly bad it's just what I have isnt meshing well at all. but we'll know how it goes when I fight 
reef zodiac
World Splitter is particularly bad imo
dense bison
yeah im not enjoying it
reef zodiac
And Dash Nova is really weird
dense bison
It's a bit too slow
dense bison
I had a really fun gun run ( 
) earlier where I had 25% Call Limit, Damage Increases Call, Call Overtime and It was Aphrodite's.
reef zodiac
Had me in the fight half 
dense bison
I want it late as possible for the healing pool
so I can grab as many upgrades safely
yeah, sword is not for me. 😂 got wreck'd
heavy sigil
sword has a certain playstyle
and its rlly hard
special dash strike dash strike is the usual combo
signal aspen
You definitely want the sack as fast as possible
dense bison
what difference does it make? you make it sound like something changes.
heavy sigil
but if u dash strike it removes the iframes from the dash, so u need to know when to dash strike for dmg, or when u do a normal dash
signal aspen
what difference does it make? you make it sound like something changes.
It's faster and safer
heavy sigil
styx normal rooms r scary
icy knoll
less chances to die
heavy sigil
like the end rooms
dense bison
i don't care about it being faster, but that's why i like getting the satyr usually on the 3-4th room
(super sorry if i sound rude at all)
heavy sigil
nah ur good
dense bison
I trust myself not to take any damage with the weapons I tend to use if it's a good run, so healing on either the 3rd or 4th rooms is usually good for me
that being said of course im not good at all in general so hehe
reef zodiac
Got the Satyr Sack in the 2nd room. bad vibes.
reef zodiac
i don't care about it being faster, but that's why i like getting the satyr usua...
Spending less time on each run means you can complete more runs
dense bison
Spending less time on each run means you can complete more runs
yeah, but I'd rather collect 3+ upgrades, get the Satyr Sack and heal with the pool, and then grab the other 2.
reef zodiac
Really?
Why
You’re more likely to lose health in the giant Styx rooms than you are to gain benefit.
dense bison
I don't mind the Styx rooms too dangerous
reef zodiac
I really suggest leaving when you get the sack
The benefit of one pom or heart that late is so minor
dense bison
If I have a build that kind of guarantees I can destroy the rooms, then I risk it
dense bison
you get it!
patent mesa
but yeah as the heat goes up you start leaving as soon as you grab the sack
dense bison
If I've got a run where each bullet is sending a bolt of lightning to an enemy and I'm firing several rounds a second and I KNOW I can just clear the room instantly then I'll just do that
but I tend to only risk it if i'm on like 85+% of my health
otherwise its not worth it
reef zodiac
sometimes it's just fun to extend a good run
Yeah but I only do it when I’m 100% sure that I literally cannot conceivably die to Hades
Like I do it knowing it’s not optimal
For like my casual low heat runs
patent mesa
yep same
reef zodiac
Where I’m just gonna 5 shot him with trippy flare or something
patent mesa
obviously there are cases where extending styx is worth it
reef zodiac
I don’t agree
mint coral
just play modded so there is no gamble 
reef zodiac
What is this world where you can’t pick Athena until after you get the sack?
patent mesa
whoops I was mistaken, that'll never happen
but what I have done is taking athena for chance of DD post styx even at high heat
mint coral
i never did that cuz i dont have practice for normal styx tunnels lmao 
patent mesa
and I've 3sacked myself on 32+ on SD since clearing a styx chamber can easily be done without losing resources
mint coral
way easier to just win vs dad
dense bison
Aww theres no voice channel for me to stream the runs
patent mesa
oh yeah running non spearpoint on styx has been a learning experience
that keepsake is so broken there
mint coral
that keepsake is still at lvl 1 here lmao
patent mesa
if I'm on EM3 and DD or 2 SDs I'll take spearpoint at 40 and below
helps preserve DDs and the athena SD when dad isn't really an issue
dense bison
btw... i just wanna clarify
patent mesa
of course the moment EM4 goes up you probably shouldn't run it anymore
dense bison
I don't think you guys are speaking rubbish and you are most likely correct
but in a game that is all about RNG, somethings just work out and somethings dont sometimes.
mint coral
helps preserve DDs and the athena SD when dad isn't really an issue
if dad isnt an issue why are you trying to preserve them
reef zodiac
but what I have done is taking athena for chance of DD post styx even at high he...
You take Athena first so you can lose your SD in the room
patent mesa
well preserving them for styx I mean
mint coral
but in a game that is all about RNG, somethings just work out and somethings don...
this game has so many ways to work rng on your favor
patent mesa
since acorn doesn't help in styx and tooth is kinda a last resort
reef zodiac
that keepsake is so broken there
What?
slim geyser
acorn for miniboss
reef zodiac
Spearpoint sucks
slim geyser
would that be like
a walnut?
reef zodiac
I firmly believe that spearpoint is ass
patent mesa
I don't think it sucks at all for non extreme heat
patent mesa
it hard counters poison
slim geyser
i know where this is going
reef zodiac
There’s no heat where Styx is harder than Hades?
patent mesa
I mean non EM4 without stuff like both HL5 and FO2 dad is not an issue at all
reef zodiac
it hard counters poison
So do the curing wells that are in the rooms
reef zodiac
I mean non EM4 without stuff like both HL5 and FO2 dad is not an issue at all
Neither is Styx
mint coral
that i agree, poison is one of the lesser problems imo
reef zodiac
But if you’re new to heat, you’re way more likely to die to the final boss than some easy Styx rooms
patent mesa
for me styx can frequently be much worse than dad
mint coral
i fear more eating one of the traps
patent mesa
if some crazy stuff happens in that double blade normal room
reef zodiac
if some crazy stuff happens in that double blade normal room
Nice spearpoint, you ate a 150 damage trap instead of a 150 damage trap and a 2 damage rat bite. Truly a worthwhile keepsake
patent mesa
what
slim geyser
think this is a good place to stop arguing unless you both want to waste time
patent mesa
I mean first off I'm not taking HS and spearpoint
slim geyser
because nobodys winning this
patent mesa
and second off more frequently than not it's a mass of small hits that'll trigger shield over a big hit
reef zodiac
I just do not understand where spearpoint makes any sense
patent mesa
since there's just more small hit potential like from lasers
slim geyser
LMAO MOOD
reef zodiac
I have literally never in my life died in Styx since my first win (beside Fresh File). This is not a joke
mint coral
I've been playing Hades all night wtf
just one more run
slim geyser
“wait it wasnt 11 pm when i started”
patent mesa
this is just my experience streaking all bounties on hell mode
I almost always took spearpoint in styx
reef zodiac
But did you need it
patent mesa
dad was never an issue on DD
dense bison
slim geyser
just one more run <:dusa:522248771409543188>
“but i want to try this build..”
patent mesa
I believe so, I rushed spearpoint since styx was consistently eating a lot of resources
reef zodiac
I can take spearpoint in Styx on my damn hitless run
dense bison
screw it im not gonna sleep for a bit i may as well stream a few runs :D
reef zodiac
Doesn’t mean it’s worth it
patent mesa
I strongly believe it was
I'd never take spearpoint above 32 obviously
but under that when there's potential for getting poison lasered randomly spearpoint saves you from that
reef zodiac
patent mesa
obviously once you're sitting on high HL spearpoint becomes bad
but on HL1 I still found it the best
dense bison
ok lets run
patent mesa
yeah but sometimes groups of armored lasers can throw a wrench into things
especially with melee aspects
reef zodiac
and they get stunned asap
And they also don’t really do much damage at all
They’re only scary in hitless runs
dense bison
DESTROYED DAD
reef zodiac
Even in fresh file I just charge in and don’t worry about them
patent mesa
transitioning from regular save to hell mode I found them really intimidating
same with elysium splitters which can be nightmares
reef zodiac
transitioning from regular save to hell mode I found them really intimidating
You usually take a full 25%+ of your health to Styx crystals? I don’t understand
patent mesa
I mean no
mint coral
same with elysium splitters which can be nightmares
splitters?
patent mesa
but they can do extreme dps if you're not careful for a moment without built in shield
that's also why I prioritize holy shield a lot more on hell mode
reef zodiac
But that shield doesn’t go up until I believe 25%
patent mesa
it helps prevent instant deaths
patent mesa
splitters?
yeah the witches
mint coral
ah, was thinking of the bp perk for blue dudes
reef zodiac
I don’t think I’ve ever make a single different decision based on the presence/absence of Personal Liability
patent mesa
hey I have
when one bad dash gives you 100 damage from a splitter you start to consider how to prevent that
reef zodiac
that BP honestly is one of my least favorite
How about speeders moving at more than double their intended speed (with FO2) or sluggers doing literally 4x their intended damage (with HL5)
reef zodiac
when one bad dash gives you 100 damage from a splitter you start to consider how...
Yeah. Dodging
patent mesa
ok
reef zodiac
Not taking holy shield
patent mesa
it happens
reef zodiac
Yeah
patent mesa
and no I consider splitter BP one of the easier ones
reef zodiac
But it’s not worth taking a bad boon for it
patent mesa
I only dislike the time wasting aspect of it
reef zodiac
Yeah that’s fair
mint coral
the ely witches i love them with deflect, just instant ko
also with charm they just kill themselves
reef zodiac
Yeah wait
Just take a different deflect boon
Instead of holy shield
Maybe one that’s actually good
patent mesa
I'm not actively seeking holy shield or anything
but it turns a lot of athena boon picks from absolutely nothing useful to "hey this could prevent an unlucky instant death"
reef zodiac
But if you’re getting Athena then just get like divine dash if you’re scared of holy shield
reef zodiac
but it turns a lot of athena boon picks from absolutely nothing useful to "hey t...
But if the other boons are worse then you’d be taking holy shield on normal mode too
reef zodiac
So basically you don’t actually pick holy shield any higher on hell mode, you just feel like it ends up helping more?
patent mesa
yep
I mean maybe I'll take it over like riposte or whatever if no chance for highrolling legendary
when in normal mode I'd take riposte since at least it does something
reef zodiac
Well I’d basically always take riposte over holy shield
Hell mode or normal, doesn’t make a difference
patent mesa
that's where you and I differ
I'd take holy shield over riposte hell mode as last athena in a heartbeat
dense bison
I only have like 175hp for Dad fight
and I dont have my skelly revive
please pray for me
damn you old man
dense bison
oh my god its 5am i need to stop haha goodnight
brisk trail
got my 1st win and i think it was a fluke
lapis trellis
what is the lore behind this emote?
reef zodiac
Used to be able to report bugs with
lapis trellis
For some reason my initial thought was that it used to be a short cut to rage quit the game or something 
heady quiver
whats the difference between stubbotn defiance and death defiance
loud valve
Stubborn defiance has a reset each time you enter a chamber
So with it you can afford to die once per chamber
Death defiance you can only die 3 times during the run and that's it
heady quiver
ohh so stubborn defiance is like one per chamber so it sounds better
reef zodiac
Well
heady quiver
but if i use death defiance and keep all 3 for hades, then it is easier for me to beat him
loud valve
? The look of the Bone Hydra's head?
loud valve
In case of doubt, max every heart you meet 
pale barn
In case of doubt, max every heart you meet <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
I just converted all my 3800 gems into 76 nectars
should have no problem now
odd canopy
So zagreus is a furry now
heavy sigil
uh what
odd canopy
Gah can't drop image...
Seriously there needs to be a meme or image channel somewhere.
Google aspect of gilgamesh
void vigil
you can post images by linking them from an image hosting site or somewhere else, like imgur or a discord image link
odd canopy
Ik but I'm lazy.
formal quarry
Seriously there needs to be a meme or image channel somewhere.
becomes hard to moderator after a while
formal quarry
Ik but I'm lazy.
well then you issue
odd canopy
No need for antagonism.
formal quarry
my fav weapon in hades is eather aegis or zag's sword
some of the boons are just amazing
glacial briar
The main head changes
I hate blue Lernie
formal quarry
me when i swipe my blade through a shade 500000 times
mint coral
Pls credit the artist
odd canopy
Cheers.
void vigil
as somenoobdying said, in the future please link the artwork directly instead of reposting it, and if you do repost it, please credit the artist also its better to post in #fan-works
gray apex
It's in the channel description
odd canopy
Of fan works over half way down the channels outside of the hades section
void vigil
its the channel for all fan works though, including hades
odd canopy
Ok so it's gonna stay that obscure for newcomers got it.
mint coral
I dont think is needed a rule to know to credit artists 
odd canopy
Holy sherlock I hate this
Are you trying to make this a nightmare of a space for autistic people?
Credit the artist is not a universal rule or even frankly all that common a one
Putting the only space for images and fanworks halfway down the list outside of the main game space and in no way indicating in the rules where it is is just stupid.
I'm not even angry I'm just baffled.
void vigil
ill bring it up with the mod team to include it in #readme-first rules, but its in the main space for posting artworks in the discord
odd canopy
It should be a 2 step process.
void vigil
also you didnt know about it and i just told you thats how it is here, so its fine
odd canopy
Click edit, add the rules.
Yeah but everyone who joins will go through the same process
Or do neurotypicals systematically go through every single room and read the descriptions? I do not know their ways.
void vigil
most people dont read channel descriptions, it has nothing to do with being neurotypical or not
warm nimbus
Are you trying to make this a nightmare of a space for autistic people?
ok... tf? this has nothing to do with autism
void vigil
on mobile they are even harder to find
odd canopy
So what's gonna happen now is because everyones annoyed at me for making waves no one's going to give my suggestions any thought.
void vigil
i said i will bring it up in the mod channel
im not an admin and i didnt write the rules message, so i cant edit it myself
im not annoyed at you, it was a good point
odd canopy
Alright sorry
Overreacted..
No.. No actually I am majorly angy about this.
There is absolutely no way me or any newcomer can be reasonably expected to know there is a space for all artwork hidden half way down the list outside of the hades space where everyone will and does go, and we are expected to know who created any art we post there and credit them
icy knoll
Credit the artist is not a universal rule or even frankly all that common a one
yes it is
odd canopy
I hate unspoken rules with a passion and I hate that main response to it is a, I should have read the minds of the admins and known, b, credit the artist is a universal rule in discord and shame on me for not knowing that.
odd canopy
yes it is
You're either lying to yourself or have been in very very few online communities that don't specifically centre around art.
void vigil
i could be wrong, but upon joining, dont you get a screen that points you to fanworks channel among a few others? youre right that there are a lot of channels which is a bit overwhelming but the first thing i do upon joining a server is get the lay of the land and look at all the channels
gray apex
same
icy knoll
well for one thing in the rules it says to look at all the channels and see what they are before posting
number 3
odd canopy
Honestly I'm far too pissed about the "you should have known" bs to care about anything else rn.
void vigil
i never said you should have known, i just told you about it when you didnt
icy knoll
and for a second thing crediting artists is just a common courtesy
odd canopy
And I will never ever ever ever behave as if I'm ok with it.
It's a courtesy and it's right, I'm not debating you on that.
Hell it's even becoming more popular which is good.
But no, it's not something I should just intrinsically know.
Shame on you for shaming me for not thinking exactly as you do in a society that largely doesn't think like you.
Ok I'm done
gray apex
nice
odd canopy
Doubt anyone cares, but unspoken rules is something autistic people universally loathe and consider to be redacted
heady quiver
should i buy titan blood for ambrosia ?
heady quiver
thanks
raw herald
new aspects is a lot more fun than what ambrosia gives you imo
heady quiver
okay ill try to open varathas 4th aspect
odd canopy
Ambrosia is good for cthonic summons tho
dense bison
I swear as long as I start with Zeus for the attack bolt (or dionysus for hang over) It's going to be a 90% chance of winning
odd canopy
Hey this is dumb, but Imma start a fresh save file and see how many runs it takes me to beat hades
mint coral
Hey this is dumb, but Imma start a fresh save file and see how many runs it take...
First run win lets go
warm nimbus
em2 is pretty much free once you get used to it, and as you get faster you should increase td
gray apex
CF2 is quite hurtful on weapons that rely on lots of boons
warm nimbus
also even if your runs arent that fast td can still be fine because it just forces you to be faster
odd canopy
I'm gonna try but I don't know if I'm that good.
icy knoll
fresh file wins are very difficult
gray apex
TD2-3 EM2-3 BP1-2 UC MM are the first heats id look into practicing
patent mesa
TD gets you in the habit of pausing, forcing spawns, etc
gray apex
For every weapon
odd canopy
Took damage in tartarus, not a good sign
icy knoll
comparable to about 50 heat iirc
patent mesa
man UC is such a pain in the ass for regular play
odd canopy
Oof.. Yep I'm doomed
warm nimbus
ooh yeah mm is another pretty much free 2 heat
patent mesa
I hate it
gray apex
Somewhat, it's a totally different skillset
mint coral
Dark foresight makes you sure you end up with some "trash" boon tbh
gray apex
It can be on some weapons but as long as you keep it in mind it's free
patent mesa
yeah 95% of the time
icy knoll
TD2-3 EM2-3 BP1-2 UC MM are the first heats id look into practicing
i'd also recommend learning fo2 as soon as possible, it's really useful for higher heats if you're used to it
gray apex
Higher
patent mesa
but occasionally it forces rerolls or even selling good stuff if you get unpurgable boons
not that it's ever worth dropping at 20+ of course
mint coral
Uc hurts more if you lose df ofc but never had a problem with it otherwise
warm nimbus
but yeah no matter what js will always be a pain in the ass so definitely dont take that for a while
patent mesa
I don't mean that it's a problem since it's pretty much the first heat you should take
I just mean if I'm playing somewhat casually I'm never taking it because it can just be annoying
mint coral
Fair
odd canopy
Damnit didn't even make it past meg
brisk quiver
Hey is there a way to make more fishing spots pop up?
Also a way to check how many fish you already caught?
patent mesa
there's that kitchen contractor item
tells you how much fishing you've done
aquarium or whatever
patent mesa
Also is it just a timing thing?
https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Fishing?so=search here's the wiki page for it
brisk quiver
I ignore them out of spite
I wish i could ignore it but i gotta max out Poseidon 😭
chrome yoke
late ocean
tells you how much fishing you've done
Lol I bought it a while ago and never interacted with it. TIL
late ocean
I ignore them out of spite
But how could you ignore a shiny thingy?
odd canopy
Is alecto mad that she's single?
Curious.
What's everyones favorite calls?
Mine I think is artemis's aid. Its utility is limited but it deals excellent boss damage when full.
patent mesa
Curious.
What's everyones favorite calls?
Mine I think is artemis's aid. Its uti...
zeus dio deal big small call damage, athena's really great too
I consider artemis second worst call
odd canopy
Zeus requires you to stand rediculously close to your enemy at all times, all athena does is pause damage taken for a bit
patent mesa
once you start dodging well zeus's damage becomes worth it
artemis needs poms/crit buff to actually deal damage compared to aphro, and is by far the worst small call
which is why I think it's so bad
odd canopy
Well personally I have a whole lot of difficulty both dodging fast enough to avoid late game enemies and staying close enough to them to not waste lightning.
patent mesa
try dio then, it has more range and does safe and really high dps
odd canopy
Oh yea true dios decent
patent mesa
and is probably the best small call relative to big call
in fact I think big call does less than 4 smalls?
late ocean
in fact I think big call does less than 4 smalls?
For dio or Artemis?
heavy sigil
artemis u need big callp
late ocean
yeah
ngl i tend to under-utilize calls but i tend not to use them until the Greater Call is available anyway 🤷♂️
patent mesa
I was the same way
late ocean
definitely helped skip phases until Companions were available
still getting used to that
modest cipher
I guess if you have the post call buff most of the time you should be using your small call rather than saving up for a big one.
Though I suppose that depends on what the call is and what else you are doing.
reef zodiac
You should almost always be using small calls
They are way better
Only exceptions are Artemis and Aphrodite, but imo those calls are not great and you’d be way better off with a different option anyway
Lesser calls are also great because they give instant on-demand i-frames
reef zodiac
@patent mesa I actually think DC is very underhated. There are places where it’s not too bad, but it’s basically always worse than you think it is
“You” being the general “you”
patent mesa
well I'll happily agree that DC is extremely underhated by the average person
reef zodiac
Yeah
patent mesa
so much rhetoric of it being "free" for every weapon
reef zodiac
Definitely
reef zodiac
Yikes
patent mesa
thought bull rush didn't do that much damage with arty attack lol
reef zodiac
Even on Rama, Zeus, Demeter, Eris, Lucifer. I think it’s arguably not worth doing DC2 at 32
patent mesa
hm really
reef zodiac
Arguably
patent mesa
I love demeter DC2 personally
reef zodiac
I think with fists, if you do DC1 then you do DC2
heavy sigil
i thought rama dc2 was free, so i put it on the start but its a lot more painful than it seems like
patent mesa
that's fair
reef zodiac
Yeah
patent mesa
forcing special on everything sounds painful
heavy sigil
yeah
reef zodiac
DC on fists makes you no longer able to just dash upper everything in Tartarus
heavy sigil
dc is just a L pact
mint coral
Also messes with fiery presemce if you have rocket on eris
reef zodiac
Yeah
patent mesa
I never realized how strong rolling dash upper was before seeing that demeter 56 or whatever it was
such a great early game combo
reef zodiac
DC makes special worse for Eris
patent mesa
hm never considered that
even without special hammers you still want special making first impact
reef zodiac
There’s a reason people run fiery on rail
patent mesa
oooh hot take
heavy sigil
😡 i hate dc
patent mesa
that would make 32 so much easier since at low heat DC is less an issue
reef zodiac
maybe DC2 would be better as 2 heat
Well idk because if you’re doing DC1 then you should just do DC2, on rail and fists
heavy sigil
that would make 32 so much easier since at low heat DC is less an issue
hm thats true
reef zodiac
I think DC should be worth 1 each
reef zodiac
patent mesa
actually that's not a bad idea
heavy sigil
well
patent mesa
DC1 only, adds 2 shields for 3
heavy sigil
uhm
mint coral
Beo is a 0.5 HL
reef zodiac
That would make Beo 52 a lot harder
patent mesa
is that passion DC1?
patent mesa
DC hurts cshot a lot though
reef zodiac
But DC2 is extremely bad
patent mesa
since harder to snow burst off shields
heavy sigil
tbh i dont think ap2 should be a thing
reef zodiac
For Beo, yeah. Not good for EM4
mint coral
Less safe than bullrush
patent mesa
yep yep
mint coral
Tho on zag shield cshot is your dps
patent mesa
so best hammers are probably like
heavy sigil
like ap1 sure but
mint coral
Gotta corner strats
reef zodiac
Sudden is so good
reef zodiac
And ferocious guard
mint coral
RD synergy and global +% for casts
Thats sturdy after cast
patent mesa
is that sturdy on casts?
mint coral
You mixed them
patent mesa
oops yep I meant ferocious guard
reef zodiac
I’m torn about AP2. It definitely makes you change your plans since you can’t get a real build anymore. But it also just adds so much RNG because technically you can still get a build, you just have to get lucky. So I really don’t know how to feel about it from a game-design perspective
signal aspen
just dont take ap2
patent mesa
increasing its heat doesn't fix it
heavy sigil
hell mode plus JS3?
reef zodiac
Yep
patent mesa
yep
heavy sigil
sheesh
reef zodiac
I think you can still do CP1 for that
patent mesa
what if AP2 guaranteed no core boon swap
mint coral
I like how much the game allows you to build so i dont like ap lmao
patent mesa
that would be a nice start
mint coral
If it wasnt for modded i wouldnt have done it
heavy sigil
what if AP2 guaranteed no core boon swap
would suck supergiant off
patent mesa
lol
heavy sigil
If it wasnt for modded i wouldnt have done it
^^
reef zodiac
heavy sigil
only reason im going for 50 rn is bc of mods
signal aspen
imagine needing mods
reef zodiac
I still need to stop being lazy and get mods on my PC so I can do a quick zag shield 55 or something
And then feel like I’m actually good at the game
I feel like I could do it
signal aspen
skill issue
mint coral
I throwed one of my 50 heat runs by miss timing my dash lmao
2 spins right at the start
patent mesa
2 spins right at the start
but acorn meant they did 0 damage so it wasn't actually a mistake
heavy sigil
patent mesa
source: trust me bro
mint coral
but acorn meant they did 0 damage so it wasn't actually a mistake
That was tooth
Didnt have a dd nor patty
heavy sigil
ok im debating between
AP2 JS2 or hell mode JS3 AP1
hell mode means CP1
but it also means no bs
late ocean
Is the tooth consumed before a DD?
and I assume Athena's "Death Defiance restores more Health than usual" doesn't apply to a Tooth revival?
icy knoll
ap2 isn't that that bad from what i've played
mint coral
Is the tooth consumed before a DD?
Dd/sd first, tooth last
2. No clue
heavy sigil
ap2 isn't that that bad from what i've played
theres a lot of rng
not only u getting boons, but also poms
icy knoll
AP2 is extremely bad
well i'm playing a weapon that requires one boon modded, i'm biased
it has not been that bad for me so far, led me to try some new things
i am a minstrel dash enjoyer now
turbid meadow
It’s crazy how fast you can progress when you start a new save just from sheer skill. I nearly beat Theseus on my second run.
icy knoll
yo nice
heavy sigil
im still mad about one of my runs where i got everything, but ap2 forced me to pom athena call 7 times
turbid meadow
That one was lucky though, Theseus destroyed me on my third run
heavy sigil
and my attack was cheeks
icy knoll
im still mad about one of my runs where i got everything, but ap2 forced me to p...
lmfao nice
turbid meadow
What’s ap2
turbid meadow
I looked it up. I see now.
turbid meadow
spoiler but dont think thats too important to censor
I’ve already beaten hades on another save we’re good.
heavy sigil
lmfao nice
bro i was so pissed
heavy sigil
I’ve already beaten hades on another save we’re good.
oh ok
heavy sigil
bro i was so pissed
legit final phase dad
strong ridge
discussion is spoiler free fire zone
heavy sigil
if one more pom on attack would have been 50 heat done
devout terrace
you dont need the attack poms tho??
heavy sigil
😩
devout terrace
if you just reset for rare
heavy sigil
im bad tho
devout terrace
you can take your time with hesty
not even use your hazard
just focus on attacking and dashing
signal aspen
go faster
strong ridge
enough
heavy sigil
its always around that
devout terrace
2-4 minutes is a big difference lol
heavy sigil
im rlly slow at elyisum
heavy sigil
i do rico first
devout terrace
why
heavy sigil
wait is hazard better?
devout terrace
thats just bad
strong ridge
i mean i dont think the build that arrives with 2minutes left would be the fastest hades fight but 2 minutes is more than enough for hades
devout terrace
rico is useless for boss damage
heavy sigil
alr im gunna try that
devout terrace
wins on the next attempt
heavy sigil
i like rico in dad fight
devout terrace
fr hazard is that good
heavy sigil
bc he spawns stuff
strong ridge
rico helps with last 3rd of 1st phase
strong ridge
but hazard is blanket death so
strong ridge
can u iframe hazard with dashes?
ye
signal aspen
yeah
strong ridge
4
signal aspen
it does 1% of your special damage to you
signal aspen
no
heavy sigil
well with sd it shouldnt be too bad
signal aspen
it can crit you too
heavy sigil
but yeah theres rlly no point of getting hit by it
heavy sigil
it can crit you too
by default?
strong ridge
arti
signal aspen
be a chad and go for ap2 clockets
icy knoll
is it just me or is life affirmation one of the best boons in the game
you just don't die if you get it early
strong ridge
hestia clockets 🤢
signal aspen
hestia clockets 🤢
what
strong ridge
gors
signal aspen
joking right
strong ridge
smels
heavy sigil
wait does rockets work with hazard?
signal aspen
no
heavy sigil
😔
mint coral
Clockets hazard when
heavy sigil
@devout terrace thank u already lmao
hazard feels so much better
💀 bruh wth plus one cast from chaos and cast boon from hermes
mint coral
Hestia the cast aspect
heavy sigil
sheesh gl
mint coral
Kill dad
formal quarry
Kill dad
do you have any weapon reccomendations to try
i use zagreus's sword mainly
and aegis
mint coral
Shield is nice
formal quarry
no way got killed by 'redacted'
mint coral
I like bow too if you have blood to max either zag bow or dump blood into either of the other 2
formal quarry
I like bow too if you have blood to max either zag bow or dump blood into either...
i dont have any blood ._.
wait
2 ambrosia
and the trader has 1 for 1
i guess why not
mint coral
Have you only been playing with the shield?
mint coral
Or at least killed meg with the other weapons
mint coral
Thats 4 blood right there
formal quarry
meh
i can still buy it its 1 nectar
if i get to elysium i will get another so ill still hgave 2
formal quarry
Thats 4 blood right there <:dusa:522248771409543188>
is it worth getting death defiance 3?
i already have 2
mint coral
Yeah
mint coral
Until what mirror skill you have btw?
mint coral
Swap that one to its green side
mint coral
Use a key
mint coral
Olympian favor to dark foresight
May also want to change dark regen to the other one tho
As you will see less darkness rooms
mint coral
Family favourites (opposite of priv status) is normally better
mint coral
is stubborn defiance better or death defiance
Unless you are dying a lot to normal rooms, nah
Or you go into high enough heat that you use -100% healing
Then it becomes better
formal quarry
Or you go into high enough heat that you use -100% healing
high enough heat?
mint coral
Oh wait have you escaped once?
formal quarry
no
mint coral
Oops
formal quarry
😔
formal quarry
a
formal quarry
Tl;dr post first win thing
isnt my first win
mint coral
Heat unlocks after the first win i meant
formal quarry
ah
mint coral
Or right asap if you play on hell mode
formal quarry
nope
heavy sigil
whats a fun and good weapon to learn to do high heats with?
i was thinking zeus or rama
but idk i havent explore spear and fists at all
also havent played sword/rail outside hestia too much
signal aspen
zeus is fun
mint coral
Zeuwus
reef zodiac
whats a fun and good weapon to learn to do high heats with?
Beo
Pretty BP-resistant
And also easy bossfights, even EM4 isn’t too bad because huge block
Assuming you’re not worried about going past like 52/53
heavy sigil
idk rn im just experimenting in low heats with diff weapons
just had a 😳 arthur run rn
heavy sigil
Zeus is so hard though
yeah cuz all the micro-managing u have to do
once u learn it tho it seems rly satisfying
reef zodiac
Zeus is probably one of the highest skill ceiling weapons in the game
It’s so hard to pick up high heat/fast Zeus though
heavy sigil
50 heat zeus sounds rlly hard
reef zodiac
Like I just don’t think I have the mental fortitude to put in the amount of effort it would take to learn
But Zeus is great
reef zodiac
Beo is comfy though because it’s way easier
heavy sigil
and if it seems worthwhile ill try to rlly learn zeus
reef zodiac
Zeus 40 is easy because you don’t really need to learn the aspect too much
reef zodiac
Just block and do some lightning and hopefully get explosive return
heavy sigil
oh yeah i should prob do explosive as my hammer if i want to learn zeus the right away
reef zodiac
If you’re doing modded Zeus you definitely want ER
heavy sigil
tons of zeus boons doesnt sound too bad cuz every almost every zeus boon benefits u
reef zodiac
Honestly I’m not the right person to ask
I’d probably ask in the high heat section of speedcord. A lot of good players there who would know more than me
shell geyser
So i'm on another server and have been watching a few people's comments about their game experience and whatnot. And someone just tried EM 4 for the first time (to my great amusement). And this is one of their comments... and I agree. We need this, supergiant!
"Now I want an anime of young full-power Hades pwning the Titans"
icy knoll
whats a fun and good weapon to learn to do high heats with?
beo is fun, zag shield is also fun but only if you play modded
strong ridge
So i'm on another server and have been watching a few people's comments about th...
the trailer proved that anime hades would work
shell geyser
For some reason I have the castlevania animated show arstyle in mind. But yeah, i'd love to see it
strong ridge
type in hades trailer youtube worth a watch
heavy sigil
ok yk i said im gunna do another weapon
nah 🥱 im gunna grind shackled hestia 50 heat now
athena keepsake for tart and then shackled
reef zodiac
I tried this
It doesn’t work
It’s a bad idea
You’re gonna have to just give up on getting Athena DDs on AP2
Either start shackle or force heartbreak strike
heavy sigil
maybe i go aphro special then
simple knoll
can you do a little trolling in this game
patent mesa
yes, you can use chaos aspect
icy knoll
(if you see a bag with 300 gold in it, you can borrow it and pay interest later)
patent mesa
I wouldn't recommend taking the bag unless you know what you're doing
mint coral
Take the egg to dad fight
patent mesa
since the interest you have to pay gets annoying
the free 300 is nice in a pinch though
especially if you're at like 0 DDs and low health
icy knoll
tru tru, always nice to buy early
patent mesa
it says "borrow" in game right?
assume it's because you have to pay more than 300 later
rocky aurora
anyone who 100% the game can they dm me i need help
reef zodiac
maybe i go aphro special then
What??? Please explain
reef zodiac
Bruh
sacred stag
Gotta love fresh save coronacht
I got to world 3 on second run and haven’t died yet, tho I doubt I get past the boss
wraith fern
what weapon do yall main?
nimble glacier
whatever the darkness leeches on
reef zodiac
Beowulf and Hestia
vale ocean
i dont have a main but bow is my favorite
patent mesa
beo gang
candid sparrow
Excalibur.
pale barn
I like bow with Chiron
warm nimbus
i swap between rama, hera, beo, and eris and do the occasional guan yu
amber bluff
instead of just typing what I use I made a tier list ranking my preferences https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/394629744278241280/974930867879297035/unknown.png
hearty bramble
My fav weapon is whatever the heck the dark thirst tells me to pick
reef zodiac
You never use Beo or Hestia? You’re missing out on the most fun weapons in the game
amber bluff
I've used beo twice, felt clunky but I need to invest more time into it
hestia idk, I'll give it a shot
reef zodiac
Easily two of the best weapons in the game
Both are easily in the top 5 imo
Huge damage numbers, very safe
Beo is the safest weapon in the game, Hestia is the safest non-shield
amber bluff
what's a good hestia build look like? I already remapped reload to a trigger
I'd assume artemis or aphro on attack
amber bluff
breakpoints?
reef zodiac
You want to have enough damage to one-shot as many enemies as possible
With Artemis, you one-shot way fewer enemies. And the crit is super overkill
reef zodiac
For very fast aspects, Artemis is better because the dps evens out
But for slower weapons, Aphrodite wins because of breakpoints and consistency in general
raw herald
But often the very fast aspects are just better off putting flat damage on them
reef zodiac
Yeah exactly
So honestly it is kinda tough to find a great spot for Artemis
But she’s great in combination with big +% boons
umbral parrot
gray apex
sadge
brisk quiver
hey does higher attack speed does anything or matter in anyway with the bow?
gray apex
hey does higher attack speed does anything or matter in anyway with the bow?
It applies to Standing Attacks, on bow you should be Dash striking so no
brisk quiver
so with hestia is seeking fire worth it to pickup? does it power up the reload shot?
gray apex
nope
It gives the damage increase iirc but your Empowered Shot wont track anything
For attack hammers your best options are Ricochet and Piercing Fire
brisk quiver
what i found is just targeting system seeking fire and flurry fire
gray apex
Targeting System is the pick there
reef zodiac
Targeting is decent, the other two suck
gray apex
The other 2 just straight up wont do anything
Other hammers to look for are Rocket Bomb/ Hazard Bomb / Cluster
brisk quiver
so theres no way to buff the reload shot of hestia in any way besides attack damage boons?
gray apex
Your Special can be a big portion of your damage
odd canopy
Privaliged status or family favorite?
graceful umbra
I always go with privileged status
heavy sigil
family favorite is mostly better
its consistently 25% more dmg
while privileged status is pretty niche and doesnt proc often
raw herald
And isn’t online immediately
hearty bramble
while privileged status is pretty niche and doesnt proc often
I used to think that but it's actually not as hard as I thought to get two status effects goin on
+40% dmg is 
There's like, marked, jolted, ruptured, exposed, and the ones you get from aphro/dio/ares/demeter attacks by default
strong ridge
that means uve hit whatever twice before buffs kick in
hearty bramble
That doesn't take too long though 👀
strong ridge
2*everyenemyinthegame adds up