32 heat Hestia can just turn the brain off
#h1-discussion
reef zodiac
brisk trail
I don't enjoy playing hestia/any rail but it is true that hestia is very easy to 32 with
extremely safe weapon
big damage
leaden birch
I got both
reef zodiac
It’s incredibly safe and very strong
leaden birch
The
EM4 hades win, the 16 heat eith
With eris
And I haven't beaten EM4 hades since
reef zodiac
Hestia is the best boonless weapon by far, the best hitless weapon by far, a top 5 speedrun aspect (probably number 5), and probably a top 5 heat aspect. Hard to argue with that
reef zodiac
And I haven't beaten EM4 hades since
Have you tried Beowulf
leaden birch
I did I think
reef zodiac
Beo is the only weapon where I feel comfortable against EM4
It’s still hard but I decided it’s worth it over RI2 for my 50+ heat runs
And you pretty much have to pick one of EM4 or RI2 at 50+
And you certainly don’t want to combine them until you absolutely have to
brisk trail
I would prefer EM4 over RI2
reef zodiac
Heavily depends on weapon
Fists are pretty much forced to take RI2
Fists 56 heat still don’t use EM4 iirc
short glen
Pretty sure I beat em4 with Gilgamesh. Not on 50 heat tho
reef zodiac
And a lot of weapons just have a lot easier time with RI2
I beat EM4 with Gilgamesh blade dash only 
short glen
Nice
I tried that once. My computer didn't like it and I lagged at the fight and died because of it lmao
twin thistle
for some reason my 40+ heat em4 track record is better with zeus and choas than beo kek
reef zodiac
Zeus is understandable. Chaos is questionable though
Zeus EM4 seems fine as long as you don’t have splitting
twin thistle
when youve done one beo em4 50 heat and 3 chaos ones 
leaden birch
brisk trail
umbral parrot
Hestia is the best boonless weapon by far, the best hitless weapon by far, a top...
Which would be number 1?
It's interesting that some things are just better than others in a game like this
cuz usually guns and tools are equal
I love it though 
thick root
Lmao crap I can't use beowulf I thought it was easier to unlock hidden aspects but I need to spend 5 titan blood on the spear, unlock its hidden aspect, then 5 blood on the shield, and only after that will I get beowulf. Not worth it at all, what's some other non-hidden good aspect
short glen
Zeus shield
leaden birch
Zeus shield
true
modern hull
Nyx just said she will go to chaos but the prophecy hasnt completed and when i went to chaos they said they await her?? Where is nyx lol
leaden birch
Nyx just said she will go to chaos but the prophecy hasnt completed and when i w...
gone
Banished to the shadow realm
Stuck between dimensions
umbral parrot
I cleared on 8 heat 
@high island Nyaanyaa, why cant i give nectars to father? I want a keepsake from him 
high island
<@311477984886521856> Nyaanyaa, why cant i give nectars to father? I want a keep...
It's a difficult relationship to repair, don't you think? But don't give up hope! 
high island
Don't give up hope!
brisk trail
you get hades keepsake when you beat EM4 with HL5 and FO2
umbral parrot
you get hades keepsake when you beat EM4 with HL5 and FO2
But i can only upgrade extreme measures up to 3
signal aspen
Soon
umbral parrot
also, i dont have a punishment that has H and L in them
brisk trail
Hard Labor
brisk trail
brisk trail
I was joking don't do it
keep improving your relationship with him and maybe he might give you something 
gray apex
You need to do their favor because the heart is locked
thick root
you get hades keepsake when you beat EM4 with HL5 and FO2
Lmao you got me I was actually going to try doing that run
modern hull
i have 6 ambrosia but i cant give it to anyone
You're gonna need a lot more than that
leaden birch
Okay
One more prophecy
and then I'm basically done with everything
I'll probably play hades a decent bit less often and play something else afterwards
or spend time doing other things!!
Defo gonna have to mess around with modded right after I finish the last prophecy
umbral parrot
You need to do their favor because the heart is locked
I think the only one i gave ambrosia to was charon
because i would give him all my nectars in hopes that he would reduce market prices
Also there is a quote; "You are giving all these away to people but dont expect them to do anything for ya!"
i think it was skelly
So the game basically tells you to not expect much from characters just because you give them nectars
trail citrus
QUick question: how does zeus attack boon work?
Like, the shok orbs it creates, does it hit only surrounding enemies, or do they also hit the original target
gray apex
Like, the shok orbs it creates, does it hit only surrounding enemies, or do they...
They hit the original target first then they bounce to any close one
trail citrus
Ok, so we get at least two attacks per hit on the original target then
What about that one and artemi's one, where it generates auto aiming arrows?
gray apex
Ok, so we get at least two attacks per hit on the original target then
You only get 1 hit from the Chain lightning
trail citrus
Wouldn't artemi's one be superior to maximize damage on the fists, then?
I still don't quite understand how zeus's attack boost is helpful on this one.
mint coral
Fists base dmg is awful
trail citrus
Base damage isn't the best, but I like how you can chain it so well.
Get the upgrade for more damage on each consecutive hit, more range and you got a good combo there
I mean, you even have an upgrade that turns the special into a ranged attack. Ony issue that can be with this will be the time limits, but for those there are metas, I suppose.
high island
So the game basically tells you to not expect much from characters just because ...
You do it out of love for your friends and family.
brisk trail
trail citrus
pretty much, yeah
fresh steppe
qq what fists is good for merciful end?
gray apex
qq what fists is good for merciful end?
They can all work, Demeter is the strongest
brisk trail
gray apex
Yup
fresh steppe
got it
ill probs do some heat stuff with it later then
now that i think about it i need to put more blood into the fists
havent really used them much
brisk trail
icy knoll
Hestia is the best boonless weapon by far, the best hitless weapon by far, a top...
what are the top 5?
i know hera and rama are up there but what about the other two
brisk trail
Ram slam
gray apex
Rama has a top time on the unmodded board but it's complicated to speedrun and it's also not popular
Also not nearly as consistent as Hera is
icy knoll
neat
thick root
Haha i searched on google "how to suicide fast hades reddit" and got a bunch of stuff about helplines and stuff
No hades though :(
mint coral
Put ri4,HS and use GY ig
raw herald
Death WR is 2.9s I think
twin thistle
Put ri4,HS and use GY ig
nah. ri4 is unoptimal. the correct strat is to reset your mirror then only put darkness into greater reflex. ri4 means no second dash, leading to timeloss
silk hull
Hades
slim geyser
i want to try speedrunning rama 
reef zodiac
Go for it
Rama guide by Ocaml:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12I4fjG04we8_CoH9eeEXKQGcDJ37D6HW0PTNmWru0zA/view
final pike
hey! i'm doing some researching for an essay on game design and i wanted to ask specifically on the topic of core mechanics - what would you guys say are the core mechanics in Hades? if you had to summarize it all in one idea what would it be?
reef zodiac
Dashes
They give invincibility to dodge, or allow for strong and mobile dash strikes
And just allow you to move around rooms to effectively deal with enemies
twin thistle
yeah dashes are your most important combat mechanic
icy knoll
hey! i'm doing some researching for an essay on game design and i wanted to ask ...
if it was just one idea, hades is build on variety
it's a roguelike, so every run you have different weapons, different aspects for the weapons, different gods to power up those aspects, and pomegranates to power up different god abilities (and once you beat the game you can tune the difficulty for even more variety)
and once you die, you get new dialogue that references what you did during the run, how the story progressed while you weren't there, and you can use the resources you gathered in the escape attempts back at the house, mostly to unlock more things to vary your runs (new weapons, new aspects, keepsakes, work orders, mirror powers, etc)
strong ridge
hey! i'm doing some researching for an essay on game design and i wanted to ask ...
From the story to the progression it is all built upon the famous "one more" mentality. every run is in someway tied to a previous one whether it is how powerful you are or your relationship with a character. even to "beat" (by the metric of story content) the game you have to clear it at least 9 times. The enemies are isolated variations of bosses (Giant chariot is minotaur charge, greatsword are thessus and hades strike, longbow is thessus spear, etc.) which allows players to build up the necessary mechanical familiarity to overcome bosses.
i could do more but imo its based on "one more"
trail citrus
I think I spent way too much time playing with melee weapons XD
I did a run with the adamant rail to farm darkness (kinda useless because it was the first run) and I almost lost the whole run
twin thistle
I did a run with the adamant rail to farm darkness (kinda useless because it was...
just pretend rail is fists
its just long knuckle fists
trail citrus
just pretend rail is fists <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Long distance fists that don't stagger and have an even slower special. Fair enough XD
I don't mean to say that the weapon is bad. I am just no used to it, I realize that XD
trail citrus
yeah... that's the build I got XD
I even got their duo boon
I think the game screwed me over on that first run because since I got the boon with zeus's attack, I couldn't get the water attack one instead.
I suppose that one would knockback enemies, right?
reef zodiac
Long distance fists that don't stagger and have an even slower special. Fair eno...
Eris is a melee weapon
twin thistle
I think the game screwed me over on that first run because since I got the boon ...
well you dont want tempest strike. its pretty terrible damage
reef zodiac
Oh yikes
twin thistle
seastorm doesnt really matter for rail
twin thistle
most of your damage with the zeus poseidon build is lightning strike, static discharge, and tidal dash
maybe throw in a rupture, then breaking wave for styx
trail citrus
well you dont want tempest strike. its pretty terrible damage
Yeah, but what with that duo from zeus and podeidon?
reef zodiac
It’s good, but tidal dash isn’t a prerequisite and you don’t want tempest strike under any circumstances
twin thistle
if you want a duo go for smouldering air
trail citrus
Every shot wik«ll result in a lightning strike as well
twin thistle
or just get splitting bolt legendary from zeus
trail citrus
sigh
ight, will start looking into those things at higher heat levels or so
I'm still going for profecies
And farming stuff as well
twin thistle
seastorm tempest strike does more damage than just lightning strike but we're ignoring that you start with tempest strike which sucks on its own and delay getting stuff like static discharge and tidal dash and getting poms on those
reef zodiac
Tempest strike is unironically one of the worst boons in the game
trail citrus
and that I don't have enough rerolls nor that thing that increases the chance of duos as well
It's gonna be so fun to do infinite reroll runs XD
eventually
twin thistle
yeah its especially inconsistent in that case
reef zodiac
It’s embarrassing how bad they made Tempest Strike
twin thistle
its stonks if you get literally everything
reef zodiac
It's gonna be so fun to do infinite reroll runs XD
At that point just route your run
tardy shard
its stonks if you get literally everything <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
using tempest strike rn, fight me
twin thistle
only need all of seastorm, double strike, and splitting bolt
reef zodiac
its stonks if you get literally everything <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Even then, it’s knockback on your attack which is generally harmful
reef zodiac
using tempest strike rn, fight me
I don’t have to fight you, you’ll probably die before Styx anyway
trail citrus
At that point just route your run
fair enough XD
reef zodiac
Tempest Strike is in the same tier as Peer Pressure, if not worse lmao
trail citrus
Even then, it’s knockback on your attack which is generally harmful
for rail gun, though?
reef zodiac
Peer Pressure is harmful but Tempest Strike costs your entire attack slot
reef zodiac
for rail gun, though?
Literally every weapon. It’s so bad
tardy shard
Tempest Strike is in the same tier as Peer Pressure, if not worse lmao
i like both of those boons, now i feel like i’m mossing something because they do me good
reef zodiac
They both hurt you
trail citrus
What is the issue? Enemies keep trying to get to me, I keep pushing them back
Maybe have to follow the ranged ones?
reef zodiac
tardy shard
They both hurt you
explain
because peer pressure is only a positive
i can kind of see the issue with tempest strike i guess
reef zodiac
^^^
reef zodiac
because peer pressure is only a positive
Lower hangover amounts override higher numbers
tardy shard
Lower hangover amounts override higher numbers
i don’t speak math sorry
devout terrace
reef zodiac
i don’t speak math sorry
If your attack inflicts 8 damage hangover, and peer pressure in inflicts 4 damage hangover, and you hit two enemies with hangover, they will spread the 4 damage hangover to the other and take half as much damage
tardy shard
If your attack inflicts 8 damage hangover, and peer pressure in inflicts 4 damag...
it’s still extra damage, i’ll take it over like festive fog
twin thistle
its negative damage
you can only have 5 stacks of hangover max.
and the most recent procs override older ones
reef zodiac
it’s still extra damage, i’ll take it over like festive fog
It’s literally less damage
8 > 4
twin thistle
if that new proc is peer pressure and your old proc is your stronger pommed up hangover then youre losing damage
reef zodiac
Insane that I have to say that
signal aspen
8 > 4 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
explain pls
twin thistle
well anyways you wont necessarily have max stacks on all enemies at all times so in certain cases peer pressure is slightly more damage but that amount of damage is very small
twin thistle
so its really not worth it
reef zodiac
Very rare that that happen lol
devout terrace
you know whats based
reef zodiac
4 seconds
devout terrace
delta hangover eris but also with rico
twin thistle
yeah its really too slow to do much in general
reef zodiac
delta hangover eris but also with rico
Interesting
reef zodiac
yeah its really too slow to do much in general
Yeah. But when it does something it usually hurts you
Multiple experienced players: “This thing is bad, mathematically it’s harmful”
#h1-discussion : “nah”
signal aspen
who is multiple experienced players and why is their opinion so bad
peer pressure has very good crowd control
and tempest strike has very good damage whilst keeping enemies away from you
tardy shard
Insane that I have to say that
you know i will continue to enjoy using peer pressure and YOU CAN’T STOP ME
reef zodiac
I never said you can’t use it
I just said it’s bad
You’re the one who said it’s good
reef zodiac
because peer pressure is only a positive
signal aspen
just kill enemies faster
but you know whats a boon with only a positive
huge catch
twin thistle
huge catch gives permanent progress. thats pretty stonks
reef zodiac
Define progress
warm nimbus
i thought i had a super weak build because it was taking forever to clear rooms and then i just realized i had like +70% enemies or smth lmfao
icy knoll
Define progress <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
you can get titan blood, darkness, nectars, ambrosia, all from the power of huge catch
reef zodiac
Yeah those are gonna do wonders on my fully maxed out save file
Btw I have to say that the upgrades that give you hp from darkness, rolls from keys, etc are such good game design and I’m very glad they were included
Just thought about that
warm nimbus
i love all the exasperated marks zag makes all the time
iron oyster
Btw I have to say that the upgrades that give you hp from darkness, rolls from k...
Oh god that’s broken
I got like 200 hp without ever touching a centuar heart just from that
short glen
How much darkness did you get!?
iron oyster
How much darkness did you get!?
I just went for it every available time
I also do need that darkness for my last mirror upgrade of persuasion
short glen
Okay fair
signal aspen
I got like 200 hp without ever touching a centuar heart just from that
bruh are you using olympian favor
signal aspen
brisk trail
signal aspen
those upgrades are on different levels
iron oyster
those upgrades are on different levels
So I’ll take that as a “yes, respec right now”
Kms I messed up edit 3 times in a row
brisk marsh
Hey
So
On a rail build
After you get the boons you need
What keepsakes are decent
Ive been using spearpoint but idk if thats good
mint coral
what area you are in?
brisk marsh
Ive already beaten the game multiple times rn in eslyum
brisk trail
can't go wrong with acorn
mint coral
yeah, sigil of the dad if zooming also works
or charon if well is juicy (special dmg items/ichors if rush delivery)
reef zodiac
I think so
You should be using Dark Foresight
reef zodiac
Ive been using spearpoint but idk if thats good
Imo spearpoint is always worse than acorn
reef zodiac
Some people prefer spearpoint for EM4 but I think those people are just looking for copium so they don’t feel like their acorn charges were “wasted” when they’re eaten by butterflies
If your acorn blocks a single spin/spear throw then it’s better than spearpoint
brisk trail
reef zodiac
That’s an intense reaction but ok
brisk trail
the first message was funny
reef zodiac
Which one
reef zodiac
Spread Fire
thick root
You only need 1 ambrosia per NPC right?
To finish with their relationship
Since I just want meg's keepsake I'll spend all the rest of my ambrosia for titan blood
reef zodiac
You should only need to give Meg one ambrosia to unlock her companion
thick root
Nice so I can keep one and get lots of titan blood for the rest perfect
brisk trail
Nice so I can keep one and get lots of titan blood for the rest perfect
you need ambrosia for upgrading companions
you can afford to convert some of into blood but if you do too much there won't be enough to upgrade all of them (if you care about that) and you'll have to convert some stuff for ambrosia
quaint rune
Honestly Zeus shield build is just advanced dash build
reef zodiac
How so
fiery lynx
fast willow
I got like 200 hp without ever touching a centuar heart just from that
so you got 20 darkness rooms
iron oyster
so you got 20 darkness rooms <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Sorry forgot to specify
Was using Arthur
reef zodiac
Rerolls > 5hp
reef zodiac
Yes
trail citrus
how long till then?
analog dew
If ur asking for explanation as to WHY they’re fiery, then I think ur out of luck. I don’t think it goes beyond ‘inheritance’
trail citrus
But his father's are not O.o
leaden birch
wait
void vigil
They are
leaden birch
Zeus shield right uhh
does Lightning flourish actually cast it's bolts or
Are the attack pulses too quick
for consecutive and consistent lightning bolts
reef zodiac
does Lightning flourish actually cast it's bolts or
Yes
Cooldown works out well
A hit = a bolt
But with double strike, you don’t really get extra damage
Because cooldown
modern hull
If nyx is supposedly at chaos then the next time i go there chaos definitely wont talk about beowulf, right? ☹ not until nyx leaves
reef zodiac
I don’t think that’s true
iron oyster
But if you’re offered a choice between darkness and a key, take the key
Oh ok
Yeah obv
Tiny hp boost <<<< re selection of boons
iron oyster
But his father's are not O.o
They very much are
iron oyster
If nyx is supposedly at chaos then the next time i go there chaos definitely won...
Imagine: chaos is just like “(insert beowulf waking line here I forgor what it was)”
And then nyx remembers she wanted to tell us the waking phrase for Arthur
That would be a really cool interaction
Say we had the reqs for both beowulf and Arthur, we could get them in 1 dialogue if Both nyx@and chaos are there and chaos says the beo line
modern hull
I think they are too focused on catching up on thousands of years of not talking
slim geyser
probably but it wpuld be cool
fresh steppe
man
reef zodiac
woman
fresh steppe
i got a sorta unfortunate run. I tried going for a merciful end run. and like, it probs wouldve been pretty
good
had i gotten merciful end
night prairie
question, whats the chance of getting two duos in 1 selection...
slim geyser
not sure of the exact chances but somewhat common
night prairie
not 1 run, literally im staring at calcuated risk and curse of nausea and thinking of which to pick lol
slim geyser
whats your build
night prairie
athena special and dioyenus call, also aspect of hades
signal aspen
calculated risk is kinda meh i would take nausea
night prairie
k
trail citrus
yo
Alright, so, I got the credits, now working on the epilogue and completing everything
It's gonna be a crap ton of runs
XD
I should probably start looking into builds I should aim forwith each weapon. is tehre like a compendium out there or something?
night prairie
i mean other then yt vids that show op builds
theres a build channel here you can consult
reef zodiac
i mean other then yt vids that show op builds
Those are bad
night prairie
Those are bad
meh ive seen some good ones
reef zodiac
Most are bad
signal aspen
prove it
night prairie
ah then nothing lol
reef zodiac
Although even Haelian has some outdated info
signal aspen
ah then nothing lol
checks out
wind violet
Artemis attack
heavy into crit
get aphro on either dash or special
make things weak, scale up on hunters mark(pom this, it's useful)
and try and get heart rend
for huge crits
for chaos, aim for attack boons of any sort
powershot dash attack, powershot dash attack, powershot dash attack, continue
reef zodiac
Yes
trail citrus
ares flourish + boons that focus on flourish + getting in close and landing every special shot on enemy forquikc stacks?
risky, but would that work?
mint coral
Doom doesnt stack by default and dire misfortune isnt that great
And ofc it doesnt get affevted by chaos boons
trail citrus
zeus flourish, then? Or is there a cooldown on the lightnings?
mint coral
0.2 secs cooldown yes
trail citrus
Lightnings having a cooldown. Ironic.
mint coral
Can use special to clear projectiles or something
Or just slap a boon on it to open a duo
trail citrus
Yeah, those damn witches at asphodel -_-
slim geyser
lightning sets things on fire or something
slim geyser
good point
unreal depot
Hey guys. A question I have just stumbled upon: how do you play lyre? At least that's what the prophecy says.
slim geyser
did you buy it yet from the contractor
unreal depot
Oh..right. That must be the case. Forgetting about this guy after I bought all the essential upgrades.
slim geyser
when you do play it a milion times (a couple after each run) and talk to Orpheus a lot and eventually itll complete
unreal depot
Orpheus is gone. Done his quest line with Euridice (did I butcher her name?)
slim geyser
np!
brisk marsh
Is butterfly ok or are getting decent boons more important?
unreal depot
30% damage boost is meh in general. And you get it after completing 15 encounters (if your keepsake is level 3) no damage. But then, if you can complete 15 encounters no damage, why don't use something better?
reef zodiac
Very wrong
30% global damage is great in general
But you don’t want to sacrifice your keepsake slot for the entire run just to only get that much damage by the end of the run
sleek galleon
saw some hit tweet and had to do this https://imgur.com/a/sg22KLj (very poorly done of course)
also @karmic trellis come see this
karmic trellis
is perfect
reef zodiac
karmic trellis
remember rule 2 remember rule 2 remember rule 2 
reef zodiac
Bruh
brisk marsh
Does anyone know what the standard zeus shield build is?
brisk marsh
Thats what im running. What attacks are decent? And are there spefic hammers or duos i should go for?
reef zodiac
Aphrodite attack is great
mint coral
smoldering air never hurts
reef zodiac
In terms of hammers:
Explosive Return > Charged Shot > Ferocious Guard > Sudden Rush
reef zodiac
smoldering air never hurts
Exactly. Starting with Zeus means Aphrodite is a great option
reef zodiac
🗿
signal aspen
wtf
oblique isle
what
signal aspen
Nothing 🙂
reef zodiac
Reddit moment
That take has always been insanely stupid
Do they realize that almost every boon is almost as good if not better at lvl2 common than lvl1 rare?
twin thistle
or that more boons means more duos and legendary. aka more rarer boons
and you get more poms anyways and hearts
high island
Posting a reddit screenshot to make fun of them seems very inappropriate. You could have at least hid the names.
reef zodiac
Nah
twin thistle
idk if anyone is gunna remember them or look at them
brisk trail
Lols
high island
I don't really think that's in the spirit of the community anyway.
narrow hemlock
im just going to nuke that and be done with it.
if you want to be mean-spirited over opinions you disagree with, do it elsewhere
warm nimbus
artemis call is just a nuke wtf
brisk trail
may I introduce you to zeus with double strike 
warm nimbus
does that take out half the health bar of hades with a single button press?
brisk trail
yes
warm nimbus
well then fair enough
reef zodiac
Yes but also doesn’t require you to fully charge it and does damage in normal rooms and gives more i-frames
brisk trail
can also be used to clear hades summons as well as damaging him
better for bone hydra too
reef zodiac
Better for everything
brisk trail
basically
warm nimbus
im starting to think that hades is actually the easiest boss lmao
reef zodiac
Lol no
warm nimbus
i just find his attacks are way more telegraphed than any of the others lmfao
although i havent tried him on em4 yet
maiden salmon
Have tried Hades for a bit on my Steam Deck that just arrived and so far it's been really smooth!
reef zodiac
i just find his attacks are way more telegraphed than any of the others lmfao
They’re definitely telegraphed very well
twin thistle
well tbh in high heat i die more to everything else than dad
twin thistle
well if i beat champs usually means my build gud enuff
forest shale
Guys how hard is it to beat charon? I fought him ones and he annihilated me
short glen
Very hard until you learn his attacks, and then moderately hard after that
high island
I think Charon already answered that question for you.
devout terrace
I regret scrolling up
brisk trail
charons difficulty depends on when you fight him
oak ibex
I think Charon already answered that question for you.
#hrnnnnnnngh
But in all seriousness, it depends. Obviously, the first couple of fights will be hard, but as you get used to his attack patterns (and after picking a god and praying), it depends on where you end up fighting him. Elysium is the easiest simply because you'll have that safety cushion of (hopefully) having more death defiances, while Tartarus is difficult because there is a higher chance of burning through said death defiances too quickly.
high island
Tartarus is also gonna be more difficult just simply due to your damage being terrible.
So the fight is gonna take awhile, which means more room for error.
honest current
I am a new player but I will ask in this channel... I just unlocked the aspects of the weapons... But I will ask, which is the most fun weapon to play with, I main the shield and spear but if u say that for example Hera bow is the most fun thing in the universe (that ik that its subjective but after all I am going for all achievements so probably I will have to unlock it all) I may thing on upgrading the bow instead of my beloved shield
brisk trail
fun is subjective, why are you asking us
oak ibex
I am a new player but I will ask in this channel... I just unlocked the aspects ...
That really depends on your playstyle. For me, I am a sucker for Gilgamesh even though it's one of the riskiest (if not the riskiest) aspects. I'm not a speedrunner, but the adrenaline rush I get from playing Gilgamesh is so much fun. Idk if that helped, but from my experience, it really is up to the player
honest current
Nice, thx for ur opinion 🍞
short glen
I quite enjoy both Gilgamesh and Arthur
oak ibex
Arthur is fun too, although much slower compared to Gilgamesh. It's funny that I like both despite them being so different from each other speed wise
real fossil
That really depends on your playstyle. For me, I am a sucker for Gilgamesh even ...
because of the added damage enemies give you from the maim?
it does change up your dash, maybe that's why
oak ibex
Yeah, the risk is the maim, but it's outweighed for me personally with the dash. Like oh my god it's so fun just going nyooom
real fossil
the maim is like 10% more dmg taken, right? not that much
high island
50% more damage taken.
oak ibex
So yeah, it's a considerable dent lol
Ngl, Hades has made me embrace my much more reckless side, which is a double edged sword in of itself lmaooo
umbral parrot
im starting to think that hades is actually the easiest boss lmao
I think hyrda is the easiest
even the furies are harder than Lernie
The hardest boss is Dad for sure 
(If you dont count Charon)
umbral parrot
I am a new player but I will ask in this channel... I just unlocked the aspects ...
achilles is the most fun for me on the spear
brisk trail
arthur funnest aspect
honest current
I started using zeus shield, its pretty fun
strong ridge
hades v charon who will win
modern hull
Hades is really easy but charons still giving me a headache so charon
reef zodiac
I am a new player but I will ask in this channel... I just unlocked the aspects ...
Fun is subjective ofc. I can tell you some popular good aspects that I find very fun though.
Beowulf (hidden shield), Rama (hidden bow), Hestia, Eris, Zeus
fluid bay
Guys you know what is the last purchase order of the foreman , I have 15 diamonds but he don't want to buy a purchase order ??
scarlet horizon
Curious to know how the spawns work in the final battle with Hades when he summons shades to the battlefield, is it random or is it determined based on what weapons/aspect you are running?
warm nimbus
im starting to think that hades is actually the easiest boss lmao
ok hades is not the easiest if i use anything other than coronacht
latent moon
Curious to know how the spawns work in the final battle with Hades when he summo...
i'm pretty sure it's just random
gray apex
Yup
fresh steppe
What’s do you consider to be the worst thing that Hades can summon during his fight?
gray apex
Probably Archers or Chariots
But normal Hades fight honestly isnt that bad even with the worst summons
thick root
ugh chaos just isn't giving me the key to unlocking beowulf hidden aspect
gray apex
Are you sure you have the requirements?
reef zodiac
I dont know.. But what i do know is that i suck at using the bow and rail
Have you tried Hestia
thick root
Are you sure you have the requirements?
I got guan yu and invested 4 blood into Zeus aspect and 1 into chaos aspect
reef zodiac
What’s do you consider to be the worst thing that Hades can summon during his fi...
Archers are rough
They shoot I think 6 arrows per volley
Actually it might be 9
reef zodiac
I play Beo so I often forget that chariots can be quite a pain
icy knoll
mam why is the sword so bad
i just want 32 heat victory with all weapons why is sword like this
reef zodiac
Yeah sword sucks
It’s also incredibly hard to learn and even if you master it, it’s still bottom 3 weapon lmao
And when I say hard to learn, I mean I’m nowhere close to being good enough to attempt high heat with it
Arthur is probably your easiest option
reef zodiac
Yeah Poseidon isn’t too bad either
twin thistle
achilles: exists
mint coral
Spear isnt a sword
slim geyser
Reject sword embrace cast
preach
icy knoll
how do i get skelly to tell me who he works for
reef zodiac
@brisk marsh no, bracer is very bad (moving to another channel because you asked in the victory boasting channel)
brisk marsh
Sorry i used the wrong channel thanks for telling me that the bracer is bad
reef zodiac
👍
tame meteor
yes
twin thistle
when you have relentless and perfect shot on rama
sees anvil: explosive + repulse
reef zodiac
Can’t lose now
twin thistle
dont worry i died
strong ridge
achilles: *exists*
exit wound tiem
reef zodiac
Exit Wounds is overrated for Poseidon
slim geyser
pos sword <3
honest current
Hiii
humans!
Difference between... oh sorry if its not the exact english translation because I play on spanish... Difference between Unceasant challenge and mortal challenge on the night mirror? the one that makes u revive
or in general is there a clear "those are the better upgrades in the mirror"?
mint coral
Difference between... oh sorry if its not the exact english translation because ...
Death defiance (3 revives x run) is overall a lot more better than one every chamber
As most of struggles is probably some bosses being able to die more than 1 once compared to stubborn defiance is a really big boost
There is some use for stubborn when lasting consecuences is maxed on pact of punishment tho, as its your main way to heal
manic bobcat
tell me something i don't know
honest current
tell me something i don't know
I am a math teacher that has 40 cats and dedicates 90% of its time to obtain 100% of steam achievements of their favourite games
reef zodiac
tell me something i don't know
Did you know that splitting bolt can momentarily disable the block function of the shield
Did you know that Breaking Wave can trigger multiple times in the span of a single second against some bosses (Hades, possibly others)
mint coral
The B.wave is a fun one to watch
mint coral
On reddit of all places
reef zodiac
Oh damn
reef zodiac
Wtf?
short glen
I didn't even realize knocking hades back was possible
reef zodiac
He takes knockback from Poseidon boons, it’s just greatly reduced
short glen
Huh. Neat
Would have picked breaking wave more often if I knew that, I thoughts bosses were immune to all knockback
reef zodiac
This is mine
mint coral
I mean breaking wave is good in general
reef zodiac
Would have picked breaking wave more often if I knew that, I thoughts bosses wer...
Breaking Wave is incredible for normal enemies. But you’re basically never gonna trigger it for bosses lol
Breaking Wave is still extremely good
short glen
Is it? I'll keep that in mind
Although I imagine it would be more useful if I had the focus to actually intentionally hit things into walls
reef zodiac
You don’t need to
It happens more than you realize
Assuming you’re using tidal dash
mint coral
Even picking it up just for styx is great
reef zodiac
Or flood shot
short glen
I've been doing that more often lately
I use to go for Athena's dash whenever possible but I've been mixing it up more
reef zodiac
BWave, Razor Shoals, Typhoon’s Fury, and Wave Pounding are all great boons
Very good boons
Just don’t use Poseidon attack or special
signal aspen
flood shot+ bwave destroys styx
reef zodiac
Tidal dash works too
signal aspen
yeah
reef zodiac
That’s what I used for my hitless Hestia
Actually goes a long way
No chance I would have won that run without it
short glen
...wait there's a swear filter? I didn't realize
reef zodiac
It’s back
mint coral
Bot was down
molten skiff
I think that this game would honestly do really well as a tv short series with 12 episodes that goes over the lore
There's more than enough material to build something fantastic imo
ivory gust
When axe update?
icy knoll
I think that this game would honestly do really well as a tv short series with 1...
read the iliad or something
ivory gust
me sad 😦
icy knoll
mfw no axe update
brisk trail
when no scythe update 
icy knoll
when bazooka update
reef zodiac
Clockets exist already
icy knoll
yeah but that's five rockets
i want to fire a gigantic cannonball over my shoulder
flamethrower update when
honestly a flamethrower would be such a cool weapon tho
reef zodiac
yeah but that's five rockets
i want to fire a gigantic cannonball over my should...
Triple bomb Lucifer?
reef zodiac
honestly a flamethrower would be such a cool weapon tho
Lucifer
mint coral
yeah but that's five rockets
i want to fire a gigantic cannonball over my should...
Hazard bomb?
bright cradle
what can i do in the game after getting persephone back and seeing the credits?
reef zodiac
High heat
Speedruns
Hitless even?
Other challenges
More fun casual runs
Try out cool/weird builds
modern hull
what can i do in the game after getting persephone back and seeing the credits?
Complete the story
Forge a bond with everyone
Complete all achievements
fresh steppe
which hydra head is the worst?
reef zodiac
Blue
fresh steppe
bash their head into the floor and cause stuff to fall from the ceiling
fresh steppe
green one is minions isnt it?
reef zodiac
Blue is for sure the worst
Blue big head is a nightmare, blue small heads are also very hard
Luckily you can’t get both at once
sleek stump
Is there any tip how to complete Poseidon's favor?
I fished every single fish and did complete that fishing quest from list but I still can't unlock his heart
gray apex
I think you have to be carrying a certain amount of fish when talking to him
So don’t turn them to the chef
gray apex
I might be a bit off, ||been a year since I did that ||
hollow hazel
Man, I wanted to end on a victory before heading to bed, and now here I am, two hours later, nothing to show for it. Good night everyone.
devout terrace
I think you have to be carrying a certain amount of fish when talking to him
wait thats why I never got it on my main file lmfao
I had no idea
mint coral
You only need to carry at least 1 fish with you
marble blaze
uhhhh
i had an amazing run rn and i love it
i got cursed slash early and then got a bunch of good boons
then dark thirst or something so my last atatck in the sword combos does a bunch of damage
i cant die anymore lol
signal aspen
Cursed slash
marble blaze
is it bad?
signal aspen
Yeah
marble blaze
it worked great for me
but now i died cuz the boons menu was opened and i couldnt exit
ivory gust
Can we pick flurry jab, for aspect of hades spear 🤔
Or does the games prevent you from doing that :/?
void vigil
you cant
warm nimbus
CHARON IM SO SORRY I DIDNT MEAN TO TAKE THAT BAG OF MONEY
pearl root
mood
warm nimbus
lmao lost all of my death definaces to charon bc i hadnt fought him before but then i found patroclus
fresh steppe
Patroclus is a bro
thick root
What the hell I've done 3 completion runs with my Zeus shield and took every chaos I got (5-10 I didn't count), and chaos never talked to me about the shield or the hidden aspect. Half of the gates he didn't say any dialogue, so that means it wasn't like he was too crowded with dialogues. I've invested 1 blood in chaos aspect and 9 in Zeus aspect, and also have revealed guan yu spear, how do i get beowulf??
reef zodiac
Idk
thick root
:'(
modern hull
Once i dreamed that nyx offered me beowulf bc chaos wouldnt talk about it :( but i still dont have it
reef zodiac
I thought about trying boonless hitless but I don’t think I could give up Styx shredder
Hitless without Styx shredder is a nightmare
The rest is manageable though
Also mirrorless hitless would be fine except for losing a dash. Hermes RNG is not fun so I’ll pass on that
warm nimbus
hmm athena call is really good for builds based on coronacht special it would seem
warm nimbus
?
reef zodiac
No other bow aspect should base their build on the special
warm nimbus
good point
however the run i was just in seemed to feed me everything for it
so i decided to do so
reef zodiac
It’s nice for Rama because it gives you a free power shot or two
warm nimbus
i dont have rama lol
reef zodiac
How did you build around bow special
mint coral
charged volley?
warm nimbus
i think it was concentrated volley and charged volley
fresh steppe
what item do you typically grab from Eurydice?
mint coral
nectar
slim geyser
nectar but i like ambrosia if i feel like gambling
reef zodiac
Nectar is best most of the time but the other two have situations where they’re better
Poms more often than ambrosia
slim geyser
i like ambrosia if i have purple rd or greatest reflex already
honest current
okay I just finished Hades a few times so I will write my opinion even if no one cares B)
Okay... how do I start...
I knew about Hades a few years ago... Pirated it to see if my pc can run it (I do not support piracy as a way to obtain free games) and it couldnt... Then bought it a few months ago and... I couldnt run it so I refunded it... And now I have it bought and still cant run it at 60fps but I admire the amount of optimisation that is put into this game, for context, my laptop has +10 years with an i3 and 2gb of ram ddr2, so I really appreciate the amount of optimisation that it has...
About the game itself:
I have been listening to the song called "In the blood" for a few years... Gotta say, the soundtrack is amazing... The fact that the battle vs Hades has the same motiv as the main theme gives u lots of vibes... And... My impressions about Hades in tldr: is the most similar game to Doom that I've played.
Idk, the songs ofc are far from being Doom-like, but they give u the same vibes of wanting to kill some demons, the "fast" paced combat (more on that later) is satisfactory... The art visually and musically is incredible, like, no words...
About the story:
I dont feel like Hades is the kind of game that u enjoy directly for the story, but is one that u enjoy watching and reading the interactions between characters but... About this... Before playing I've read articles about how the game dialogue works... So maybe my expectations where high at a point that... A point that was... Unfair? English isnt my main language so it may not be the most correct word.The point is... Idk if I advanced to fast into the game but even after beating Hades some characters still be like "hmmm yeah u can do this, keep trying and u may defeat ur father" or some Gods said like "oooh u finally met [specific God]" when I have met them 10 runs before even with those both Gods at the same time, so maybe my expectations where TOO high, anyways I still think its a great system.
About the combat... Discord has a limit of characters so I will talk about it on other message
About the combat:
When u are 1 v 1 with an enemy... with most weapons to not say all of them u can just spam attack and they will be perma stunned... And before having played it I expected a more... Fluent combat? Like, literally dont stop moving but I encountered with.. well... Hades combat... But it really made me appreciate my amount of dashes and stuff... Made me think a little bit more... And......... thats it? Its satysfactory and well balanced, just the 1 v 1s throw me a little... About specific combats like vs Hades (boss)... I really wish Hades was faster... I mean, not "faster" perse, but with less time between attacks... I love combats that are like dances. About the two guys of the third zone... When u are 1 v 1 vs one of them is really easy to punish them... I maybe expected them to become stronger when just one was left...
I have to say that I am talking not objectively, but what I expected and what I received and if I am satisfacted with it... Hades is a game that has some years so ofc I heard things about it and I had an image in my mind... But if the game wasnt the same as in my mind, I have no problem.
Continuing with the bosses... The hydra is really cheesable if u have a range attack, thats it
About the rogue lite element:
I dont feel like each run is different enough... I feel like "hmmm yeah I have to hack and slash through enemies once again"... And I love that the game motivates u that much to use different weapons but after all... All of them does their purpose: Kill enemies... So it doesnt really feel thaaaaaaaat different... And the boons.... Yeah they are cool... But I am never expecting like "yup I wish that specific boon", is more like... I just wish rare boons because they are generally good and u can manage the things with them... So if I can manage a run with almost anything... It doesnt feel thaaaat special... But I love the mirror and all the collectables in general
It really throws me off that the game has a dog but no cats to pet... but its okay
and... overall... a 9/10
reef zodiac
2/10, too hard
signal aspen
1/10 game didn't give me wr run
honest current
oh and
now that I have beaten the game a few times
should I watch Hades speedruns/no hits/gameplays to see if I can learn something?
yeah I will do that
warm nimbus
0/10 no fortnite characters
warm nimbus
lmao chaos just being like "i recommend you make a brief detour"
snow charm
0/10 no fortnite characters
fr tho 🗿
fresh steppe
hades in fortnite when? /j
twin thistle
About the combat:
When u are 1 v 1 with an enemy... with most weapons to not say...
if enemies are too easy and build decisions dont feel like they matter. thats well pretty much what the heat system is for
slim geyser
ive played a lot of this game and have never got the chaos death defiance
twin thistle
use the power of 🥚
fresh steppe
🥚
ive gotten chaos dd but i wasn't really trying to. Was just picking up light of ixions and stuff and i just kinda ended up getting it
warm nimbus
im really confused about the geometry of the house of hades now...
this doesnt make any sense
reef zodiac
Well we don’t know where zag goes when he starts a run
Maybe he walks a bit toward the garden before jumping down
reef zodiac
Sure why not
warm nimbus
Maybe he walks a bit toward the garden before jumping down
but the garden isnt open before persephone returns
reef zodiac
That’s literally not what I said
lean ember
hades in fortnite when? /j
😜you are very lucky you typed that /j lol Xd hahahahahah🤪
warm nimbus
That’s literally not what I said
im confused then, what did you mean
reef zodiac
window > roof > jump down
^
warm nimbus
ah
warm nimbus
why tf does theseus have what is essentially a tank
yk what im not going to question it
cant wait for em4
icy knoll
cant wait for em4
you'll love it ;)
reef zodiac
why tf does theseus have what is essentially a tank
Skirt skirt
fresh steppe
yeah his chariot on em3 is incredibly annoying, at least for me
reef zodiac
It’s not too bad
fresh steppe
i guess it annoys me since im a bit careless by trying to attack it while he's driving it around
slim geyser
R O D
warm nimbus
why do you keep saying R O D
mint coral
R o d is good
slim geyser
because R O D
mint coral
warm nimbus
well i cant disagree
the only thing that could make this better are breaking wave/typhoons fury
warm nimbus
its soooooo good with mirage
reef zodiac
Lightning rod seems like a stupid niche boon but it’s actually pretty decent
mint coral
Turns out having sinergy with your usual zeus boons is great
slim geyser
zeus works best with himself tbh
slow remnant
this game is pissing me off the last 6 or 7 times ive found an athena boon i havent gotten divine dash
warm nimbus
how do i effectively use hera?
slim geyser
for build people usually go with crush shot snow burst
reef zodiac
are you on controller?
warm nimbus
no
reef zodiac
Oh
warm nimbus
i have cast bound to a side mouse button
reef zodiac
Well Hera is famously rough on KBM
warm nimbus
ah
warm nimbus
oh yep crush shot makes this thing shred
reef zodiac
Yep
tepid plover
Well Hera is famously rough on KBM
How
honest current
if enemies are too easy and build decisions dont feel like they matter. thats we...
I mean... the heat system mostly just makes your mistakes more punishing, I know there are some options like +enemies per room... go fast... less upgrades... but mostly is like "more damage received", "enemies with more health", "traps deal more damage" and I dont find that that makes the game feel much different
honest current
oh yep crush shot makes this thing shred
I play with just keyboard, no mouse or controller lmao
gray apex
I mean... the heat system mostly just makes your mistakes more punishing, I know...
You probably don’t have much experience with heat then
honest current
I mean, yes ofc I dont have, I just have beaten the game 5 times and have like 10 hours played
its my opinion atm
modern hull
I would argue TD makes your game significantly different
Or Em
Or RI
Or AP
Or UC
gray apex
If you combine a few you’ll have to play quite differently
You get used to it eventually but at first it’s odd and you have to put effort into learning it
signal aspen
TD doesn't do anything to your game
iron oyster
I mean... the heat system mostly just makes your mistakes more punishing, I know...
Also it makes mistakes happen more often (forced overtime)
iron oyster
I would argue TD makes your game significantly different
That’s what I call free heat
warm nimbus
time to see what em4 is like
this is hardly fair
yknow it was great and all until cerberus came in
that was a bit ridiculous
and then a third phase?
and then im half blind???
warm nimbus
thats why people dont take em4 until 50+ heat
yeah you know what i can imagine that
reef zodiac
EM4 sucks
reef zodiac
yknow it was great and all until cerberus came in
The summons in phase 1 are probably the worst part actually
warm nimbus
those are also annoying
signal aspen
yeah cerb isnt bad but 3 sneaks are
warm nimbus
is it just random minibosses?
reef zodiac
and then im half blind???
Turn up the brightness and you can see fine for some reason lol
signal aspen
is it just random minibosses?
yeah pretty much
reef zodiac
is it just random minibosses?
3 total, they can be sneak, bball, doomstone, skullcrusher, gorgon
You can get any combo of 3, including the possibility to get 3 of the same
warm nimbus
yeah sneaks and gorgon seem awful
reef zodiac
Sneaks and BBall are the worst
warm nimbus
wwhy bball?
reef zodiac
First off, bye bye acorn charges
reef zodiac
Isn’t BBall also super bad on bow?
warm nimbus
ive done shield on 0, spear on 1, and bow on 9 so far
reef zodiac
Do the butterflies interrupt your attack?
signal aspen
imagine charging a powershot on rama, but then a little butterfly touches you, cancels your attack, and then you get speared by hades for 100 damage 🙂
warm nimbus
Isn’t BBall also super bad on bow?
i dont find them that awful actually
warm nimbus
i was running hera for that run
signal aspen
hera
warm nimbus
listen i had no idea what em4 was like ok
the previous 3 levels did practically nothing
reef zodiac
Yeah but either way it’s 66K hp
slim geyser
hera em4 sounds fun
completely terrible but fun
reef zodiac
With Hera
warm nimbus
how was i supposed to know that em4 made it way harder?
reef zodiac
hera em4 sounds fun
completely terrible but fun
6 minutes is not fun
reef zodiac
how was i supposed to know that em4 made it way harder?
It’s worth 4 heat LMAO huh?????
Obviously it’s gonna make it way harder
Doesn’t really take a genius
signal aspen
4 isnt a bug number tho
warm nimbus
It’s worth 4 heat LMAO huh?????
well em3 was 3 and barely made a difference
reef zodiac
well em3 was 3 and barely made a difference
🗿
reef zodiac
4 isnt a bug number tho
It is in fact the largest number that any single condition gives you. More than AP2, more than BP2. It’s the same as going from LC0 to LC4 or RI0 to RI2
warm nimbus
well i really mostly just do bow
high island
how was i supposed to know that em4 made it way harder?
You couldn't have. That's the fun (and sometimes frustration) in trying out different pacts and stuff.
reef zodiac
well i really mostly just do bow
Still makes a huge difference
warm nimbus
Still makes a huge difference
not to me tbh
warm nimbus
the chariot half the time does nothing for most of the fight and the only thing that really makes asterius harder is the swing attack
reef zodiac
Nah you’re wrong
warm nimbus
well i guess we can disagree
reef zodiac
Obviously EM3 isn’t as bad as EM4, or even remotely close. But it’s still quite hard, and I lose a lot of 50 heat Rama runs to champions
Which I certainly would not lose if it wasn’t EM3
reef zodiac
You have very little space to work with, they have much more health, you have to say far away from Asterius at all times due to his shockwave which prevents great use of triple/point blank shot (2/4 of the best Rama hammers), Asterius does absurd damage, etc
warm nimbus
the space would be the biggest problem imo but the thing is at any given time its not actually that much smaller, its just very dynamic
reef zodiac
The added projectiles from Asterius make it a lot less safe to just space and power shot
reef zodiac
the space would be the biggest problem imo but the thing is at any given time it...
Are you giving me tips for my 50 heat Rama runs?
I have a ton of experience with the fight, it’s definitely still difficult on bow
Although it’s pretty easy on Beowulf
But that’s every boss
gray apex
the space would be the biggest problem imo but the thing is at any given time it...
Your worst mistake was arguing with Pancake
warm nimbus
anyway all im saying is that i dont find it that much harder. i never claimed anything else. after the first time or two i tried it it was pretty much just as difficult as before
reef zodiac
I’m saying that you probably don’t have much experience with it or haven’t combined it with other pacts because it definitely makes a very significant difference
Unless you’re just some bow prodigy
warm nimbus
well that is a dramatic shift in the topic at hand
deep grotto
time for real hades discussion
high island
Not an appropriate question, either. Keep it clean, please.
deep grotto
lol im sorry
gray apex
what do you think makes it harder?
Well if you still care about a genuine answer to that question, the reason EM3 can be difficult is due to other pacts combined with it, HL and FO make the fight a lot more punishing and it becomes quite challenging to keep track of everything, big area of denial etc, LC makes it so your hp pool is smaller usually so yea a few mistakes and you end up dying, aside from that other stuff can affect it indirectly too such as JS giving you time issues, AP RI making your build worse etc, the fight on its own is pretty straight forward, the same can be said for all the other bosses including EM4, if you learn the moves and play reasonably well you’ll consistently beat them, if you start upping the heat a lot it’ll ramp up exponentially
Worth noting that EM3 and EM4 are harder on melee as the heat goes up
warm nimbus
alright, ty
icy knoll
why is hera bad on kbm
gray apex
why is hera bad on kbm
The auto-aim isn’t that strong so it barely does anything and you have to be actively aiming at things, something you don’t do on controller at all
And if you turn off aim at cursor and just keep aim assist it’s still quite tough to control
But some kbm players have gotten pretty good at Hera regardless
twin thistle
just point better
gray apex
heavy sigil
what weapon aspect should i try next
im poor af with titans blood so
idk what aspect to choose
heavy sigil
o thanks
reef zodiac
what weapon aspect should i try next
There’s a ton of options
If you’re looking for what’s fun for you, you’ll have to discover that for yourself
I can suggest aspects that are strong, if that’s what you’re interested in
heavy sigil
well im new/bad at the game so i dont think weak weapons would be fun
💀 all i play is hera bow rn which carries me so hard
dull niche
hera 
fresh steppe
for like, chaos boons, what downsides are more preferable?
reef zodiac
Generally I don’t care
But some can be bad
It’s more about which downsides are the most detrimental
fresh steppe
Then lemme rephrase which ones do you think are the most detrimental?
reef zodiac
Dash distance reduction, more foes, damage when attack/special
But often I still take these
It’s about deciding if it’s worth the risk
signal aspen
-move speed is bad when you have rd
fresh steppe
qq what boons for hestia?
reef zodiac
-move speed is bad when you have rd
Wait can you get reduced damage?
reef zodiac
qq what boons for hestia?
Heartbreak strike, tidal/Hunter dash
signal aspen
Wait can you get reduced damage?
Rd goes off of your total bonus move speed so if you have less bonus move speed then you deal less damage
reef zodiac
Lmao
signal aspen
I also have no idea if this is true I just heard of it while watching a kirrby stream
midnight wasp
i decided to redownload hades and i’ve only ever made it as far as elysium
reef zodiac
Well try killing the enemies and not getting hit
reef zodiac
Exactly