What trinket do you guys use? been using meg's
#h1-discussion
limpid pecan
pseudo kernel
Battie
abstract epoch
acorn, it's the best in the game imo
if you mean the companions then
than i guess
limpid pecan
no the keepsakes sorry
twin thistle
god keepsakes in tart/aspho, defensive ones in elysium/styx. meg for companion
pseudo kernel
ooh
pseudo kernel
depends the build i am going for
limpid pecan
I've been using the skull tooth until I die then switching to meg's keepsake
twin thistle
the bonus from meg's keepsake does very little even if youre constantly low health unless youre using a lot of status effects for damage
abstract epoch
skull tooth is definitely useful for hades, but i prefer having those free 5 hits of no damage
twin thistle
tooth is pretty useless in early regions since it does nothing while youre not almost dying
pseudo kernel
Yeah
abstract epoch
cosmic egg so you get good boons from chaos
pseudo kernel
i only use it if i am low but acorn is always great
limpid pecan
Is aphrodite's call even good ?
abstract epoch
never used it
devout terrace
its decent
abstract epoch
the only ones i care for are zeus' and poseidon
limpid pecan
I like ares' and poseidon's
twin thistle
unpommed, aphro call does better single damage than arty call at max gauge
abstract epoch
artemis call can be good, but
even when you do a great call
it's still chance based if it's a crit
mint coral
unpommed, aphro call does better single damage than arty call at max gauge
Not like poms will make it do more dmg 
twin thistle
well yeah thats the point you dont need em
limpid pecan
If you get the daedulus hammer for the fists that makes consecutive hits do more dmg, does special and dash strikes attribute to that?
mint coral
No
mint coral
That bonus reset when you dash strike/combo ends
pseudo kernel
I am really looking forward to fists secret aspects and hammer
huh
rail
its the last ones i need
abstract epoch
cluster bomb and rockets at the same time on the rail is hilarious
especially when you use it on hades at point blank
twin thistle
400 base damage pretty balanced
limpid pecan
Can you get the one where you do the spread of 5 shots and you get to fire the special 3 times at the same time?
twin thistle
no
limpid pecan
I was thinking of that and I was like that'd be so busted
twin thistle
cluster, triple, and hazard are non compatible
abstract epoch
despite how good the ability on chiron is
i always manage to fail with it vs EM hades
a problem i don't have with zag or rama
twin thistle
well the special leaves you stuck in a relatively slow animation
also tbh chiron isnt really that great and it needs concentrated volley
abstract epoch
first phase EM hades can be a pain then again
those adds can really make the fight a nuisance
depending on which he summons
like i had no clue the giant crystal could teleport
what's a good cast boon choice for hera or poseidon?
gray apex
what's a good cast boon choice for hera or poseidon?
Crush Shot is best cast overall on Hera, Phalanx and Trippy Flare (Stygian) are also options but not as good
For Poseidon you can do whatever tbh, Phalanx and Crush Shot are usually the strongest tho since the damage is very good for bossing too unlike Electric Shot for example which is amazing at room clearing but struggles on bosses
high island
Electric Shot very desperately needs Static Discharge.
abstract epoch
if i use the bow my go to's are to get
twin shot and flurry shot, and try and get hangover
gray apex
Hangover isn't that good on Bow Attack
Especially with such hammers you're much better off going for something like Aphrodite or Artemis on the attack, or any big % that gets offered (Demeter and Athena are good with rarity)
vague mesa
the best part of the game is fishing
tardy shard
dawn shard
You need to keep playing and talking to her then you will unlock the ability to give her ambrosia
compact dawn
When do I get to give Hades nectars 3-4 so I can unlock use of Companion Keepsakes against him?
I've given him 2 nectars so far no problem
compact dawn
the best part of the game is fishing
lilac lichen
the best part of the game is ||finding dads capes||
compact dawn
OK, so I've maxed the affinity gauges of Zeus, Hermes, Poseidon, Ares and Athena plus Demeter is at 5 6 hearts and I heard you don't need to max her gauge for her to count towards the epilogue
But the prophecy still hasn't unlocked
Please ping me if you have an answer to why the prophecy isn't unlocking
slim geyser
is demeter at the lock? can’t remember how many it takes but you might need to give her one more nectar
or talk to persephone and hades if you havent already
compact dawn
is demeter at the lock? can’t remember how many it takes but you might need to g...
I've talked to Persephone and Hades several times since reaching the epilogue and there's been no explicit discussion of a plan
But I do have the prophecy in my Fated List
And yeah, Demeter is up to the lock
pure karma
Started a new Hell save file and I just can't even reach hades.
10 attempts
Man, did I really become this rusty after a few months?
compact dawn
PSA: Don't forget to invest a minimum of 5 Titan Blood in each weapon that you haven't unlocked the Hidden Aspect for! I didn't realise I had only spent 4 Titan Blood so I wasn't getting the dialogue but as soon as I invested an extra 2, I got the dialogue for Hidden bow Aspect right at the beginning of an escape attempt!
leaden birch
lucifer's laser + tempest strike goes hard
reef zodiac
When do I get to give Hades nectars 3-4 so I can unlock use of Companion Keepsak...
Get 10 clears
devout terrace
lucifer's laser + tempest strike goes hard
fast willow
lucifer's laser + tempest strike goes hard
yeah supersoaker is pretty nice 
compact dawn
Get 10 clears
Already done. I just had to do another run for the prompt to come up
pure karma
I dont get why I am not getting any blood
I am sure I haven't beaten a fury at heat 7 on this file
Will support fire count as a boon on my attack for Shackles ?
reef zodiac
No
alpine sierra
it took 140 runs
to finally finish the Poseidon prophecy where I get all his boons
on a related note Rip Current is very fun
compact dawn
I've double checked and I definitely have 6 out of 9 Olympians at full affinity but the Queen's Plan still isn't complete in the Fatest List. Any idea why this might be?
Ping me if you know.
I've forged bonds with Zeus, Athena, Poseidon, Ares, Hermes and Demeter (at 6 hearts but that counts according to the Hades Wiki)
brisk trail
I've double checked and I definitely have 6 out of 9 Olympians at full affinity ...
hey so one of my friends is likely going to play hades on ps4
have you played on pc? of yes is there a difference? if yes which one is better
brisk trail
And manage saves etc
he is going for the more pure experience without mods
gray apex
I mean most people start out like that
But later on you might wanna speedrun with less rng, or run a route, or practice a certain fight using savestates
All of that can only be done on pc
brisk trail
i see
good points ty
reef zodiac
hey so one of my friends is likely going to play hades on ps4
have you played on...
Why reply to that message and ping them? Why would they specifically know
compact dawn
Why reply to that message and ping them? Why would they specifically know
Because my PSN is connected to my Discord account showing that I'm playing Hades on a Playstation
compact dawn
hey so one of my friends is likely going to play hades on ps4
have you played on...
I would say PC if you want to speedrun the game and like mods however that aside, they're pretty much the same
reef zodiac
Because my PSN is connected to my Discord account showing that I'm playing Hades...
Oh alright
reef zodiac
I would say PC if you want to speedrun the game and like mods however that aside...
Why is Pc better for speedruns?
compact dawn
Seeds
reef zodiac
Unmodded
compact dawn
Lots of speedrun categories for Hades rely on seeds
reef zodiac
What
compact dawn
Also, even unmodded I've noticed that nearly everyone does it on PC
reef zodiac
Also, even unmodded I've noticed that nearly everyone does it on PC
Doesn’t mean it’s better
raw herald
It’s slightly faster for RTA
reef zodiac
Yeah that makes sense
compact dawn
Yeah that's what it was
reef zodiac
But again, the most popular speedrun category is unseeded unmodded IGT
compact dawn
But again, the most popular speedrun category is unseeded unmodded IGT
I never said it wasn't
I said there are lots of categories that use seeds
reef zodiac
Huh
compact dawn
I said, "nearly everyone does it on PC"
raw herald
There’s only one actual seeded category
reef zodiac
I would say PC if you want to speedrun the game and like mods however that aside...
I would say PC if you want to speedrun the game
reef zodiac
It’s called an assumption
And no you were not
Unseeded Unmodded IGT is no easier on PC than on PS4
Some categories are only possible on PC, RTA is faster on PC, but to make that blanket statement is inaccurate and misleading
compact dawn
So it turns out I did remember right
- For every unseeded sub-category there is a seeded category
reef zodiac
Seeded is a very niche category
raw herald
Nobody grinds 40 heat seeded
40 heat seeded is there for when you forget to show a death
raw herald
The only one that people grind is anyheat seeded
compact dawn
Therefore PC is better for running Hades as it turns out
raw herald
Or routed
reef zodiac
It would not be inaccurate to say “some categories are better on PC” but you didn’t
raw herald
RTA is also very niche
reef zodiac
Therefore PC *is* better for running Hades as it turns out
I run Unseeded Unmodded IGT on PS5
compact dawn
Cool, didn't ask
raw herald
There were aboht 900 people on the anyheat leaderboard the last time I checked
compact dawn
That's great
raw herald
Cool, didn't ask
LOL chad
signal aspen
Therefore PC *is* better for running Hades as it turns out
Yeah for a couple smaller categories
compact dawn
Doesn't discount the fact that using PC for Hades gives you more categories to work with
raw herald
There were aboht 900 people on the anyheat leaderboard the last time I checked
I’d say less than 100 of those were focused on rta
reef zodiac
Doesn't discount the fact that using PC for Hades gives you more categories to w...
That’s not relevant
reef zodiac
All I was saying way that the blanket statement “PC is better for speedrunning” is extremely misleading
compact dawn
PC gives you more categories to run while all else is equal
What is hard to understand about that?
reef zodiac
I AM AWARE
reef zodiac
That was never my argument
reef zodiac
All I was saying way that the blanket statement “PC is better for speedrunning” ...
.
If I’m a new runner on PS4 and I read that, I’m gonna think I have to get the game on Pc to compete, which is literally wrong
compact dawn
It only misleads those who don't bother to look into what that means, what makes one platform better for a speed game over another is variable
compact dawn
OK seeya
raw herald
I started speedrunning on switch, I only switched to PC to try RTA and later modded. If I didn’t want to do that, I’d stay on switch
compact dawn
All I was saying way that the blanket statement “PC is better for speedrunning” ...
Wait wait wait, I know you said you left but I want to clarify: did you think I was saying that PC is better for speedrunning every game?
reef zodiac
And it’s good to avoid being misleading
gray apex
It's entertaining
fast willow
reef zodiac
And when I tried to clarify, you got extremely defensive
And then you said that “it only misleads those who don’t bother to look into what it means”, meaning you’re saying you’re fine with misleading people because it’s their fault for not asking for a second opinion?
compact dawn
Yes, if they are so lazy they can't check the speedrun page itself and look through the resources and rules
So we're on the same page now
raw herald
Bruh
compact dawn
But also, I wouldn't be misleading them
reef zodiac
Yes, if they are so lazy they can't check the speedrun page itself and look thro...
Yes. We both agree that you are lying to players and doubling down when called out because you don’t care at all about being helpful to people who specifically asked for your help.
compact dawn
They would mislead themselves in that scenario for being that lazy
raw herald
Most people I know that speedrun hades haven’t speedran any other games before
compact dawn
Yes. We both agree that you are lying to players and doubling down when called o...
I never lied
reef zodiac
They would mislead themselves in that scenario for being that lazy
Hestia is best with Zeus attack.
compact dawn
The game is better for speedrunning on PC
raw herald
They’re probably not checking sr.com
For the most popular category that 85% of runners will never go further than, it’s not.
compact dawn
All else equal besides number of categories that can be run means one is a better platform for speedrunning than the other
reef zodiac
The game *is* better for speedrunning on PC
It is not. It is better for speedrunning specific categories.
I speedrun the game on a platform that is not PC and it is not harder for me. Therefore your statement is false.
compact dawn
That is a distinction without a difference my friend
compact dawn
As in, you are trying to separate out "better for speedrunnning specific categories" as a reason that can be given to support why "x platform is better for speedrunning"
compact dawn
It *is not*. It is better for speedrunning *specific categories*.
I speedrun the...
Anecdote=proof I guess?
reef zodiac
I’m done with this argument. Please next time do not actively mislead players. It is okay to be incorrect on something, but to double down like this is honestly just embarrassing
reef zodiac
Anecdote=proof I guess?
Not anecdote, fact.
compact dawn
An anecdote can be a fact, unfortunately this fact doesn't help rebut what I just said: a platform that gives runners more categories to explore is a good reason for saying that platform may be better for speedrunning x game
And it is a sufficient reason if everything else between platforms is equal
reef zodiac
You’re moving the goalposts. Please just give up
raw herald
I’d rather say “pc is better because you can play more categories to the highest level”
Not “pc is better for speedrunning”
compact dawn
Nope, I'm making the same argument I made 20 minutes ago
raw herald
Because that implies “pc is faster for all categories”
compact dawn
I’d rather say “pc is better *because* you can play more categories to the highe...
That's OK, not my preference
reef zodiac
The way rmacinty said it is clear and accurate. The way you said it is misleading and false.
compact dawn
Nope, I'm making the same argument I made 20 minutes ago
I haven't moved the goalposts on any of these as far as I'm aware, please enlighten me if I have
Wait
Gimme a moment
fast willow
yknow pancake sometimes when you see that someone is so unwilling to change their mind its better to drop the conversation
devout terrace
Is this another "I will simplify it further" situation
gray apex
I swear every time I open this channel it's pancake arguing with someone
reef zodiac
yknow pancake sometimes when you see that someone is so unwilling to change thei...
It is extremely frustrating to see people being misleading on a server full of new players and doubling down on it
compact dawn
No pictures allowed, I was gonna post a screenshot of my original statement to ask you what positions you believe I've moved the goalposts on
reef zodiac
I know you’re right, but I just am very prone to stunlocks I guess
reef zodiac
Is this another "I will simplify it further" situation
Yes
compact dawn
Is this another "I will simplify it further" situation
The answer to the question is was simple so there was no simplifying necessary
reef zodiac
Missed the joke
compact dawn
Genuine question: where is the Unseeded Unmodded IGT category you mentioned
Wait, you mean Any Heat
raw herald
Yeah
rich gulch
Which Underworld region has the best music tracks?
For me personally, Asphodel easily.
compact dawn
Tartarus because of Out of Tartarus
reef zodiac
Which Underworld region has the best music tracks?
For me personally, Asphodel ...
Greece
high island
I am sure I haven't beaten a fury at heat 7 on this file
Have you cleared the Heats below 7 yet?
tough pelican
Which Underworld region has the best music tracks?
For me personally, Asphodel ...
The house of hades because of Lament of Orpheus. That song gives me shivers
rich gulch
The reason I like music in Asphodel is that between tracks like "Through Asphodel, Field of Souls and River of Flame" you get a real sense of relentless struggle acting against you. It really feels (and looks!) like the sort of hell people normally envision which is why it's always satisfying clearing the region, especially since it's the hardest one in my opinion.
rich gulch
You still get frustrated with the jumping enemies and island chambers in Asphodel, I'd wager.
umbral parrot
oh nah
asphodel is very easy
but
elysium is piss sometimes
also the higher one
the one with rats
i forgot the name
something something maze
the rats are not that fun to deal with either
but i love the game
compact dawn
elysium is piss sometimes
Elysium is annoying for me at the moment with the Armoured Foes w/ perks
compact dawn
Cc?
pure karma
Have you cleared the Heats below 7 yet?
You need to escape for the bounties to reset?.
high island
Yes.
pure karma
ok
high island
high island
Otherwise, you could just farm Furies at every Heat to get Titan Blood. That'd be a little too easy.
compact dawn
Edit or delete what?
pure karma
My comments
compact dawn
Strange
gray apex
Hestia is very good
pure karma
Yeah but it's hard to use
gray apex
Playing it optimally has a learning curve because of the high apm and precision required but it’s rewarding once you get it down
pure karma
Keep in mind it;s not fully upgraded
and my mirror is also pretty low because this is a new hell save file
I think it;s a mistake for a first weapon
reef zodiac
Yeah but it's hard to use
To start out, just reload shoot repeat
pure karma
I mean I can reach hades now after a few runs, but can;t kill him yet
reef zodiac
That’s the base combo, and everything else is just doing different things between reloads
pure karma
I think that hell only pact really messes me up
reef zodiac
Once you get the hang of the base Hestia combo, you can start to add other things
And dash when you reload
It’s pretty simple
And it lets you snipe enemies for huge damage from very far away
pure karma
Shackle or Aphro/Arty boons for Hestia?
mint coral
Aphro mainly
gray apex
Going for an Aphro attack is nice because you end up freeing your keepsake
mint coral
Shackle for really high heat and dont wanna reset for an attack
pure karma
Aphro/Zeus was smoldering air right?
gray apex
Yup
reef zodiac
Shackle or Aphro/Arty boons for Hestia?
Yeah you definitely don’t want shackle at any heat where you can still get boons. Using Aphrodite attack gives you weak, opens T2s, is pommable to reach damage over the 100% shackle would give, and allows you to switch to defensive keepsakes for Elysium and Styx
pure karma
I wonder, Ricochet, Piercing or explosion hammer for hestia
devout terrace
Rico or piercing are excellent
umbral parrot
Is hestia a weapon
pure karma
Exagryph Aspect
pure karma
yes
reef zodiac
Explosive is copium Rico. It’s not awful but it’s always worse than Rico imo
pure karma
Which aspect?
umbral parrot
Hades
pure karma
Have you unlocked the hidden one?
umbral parrot
Nah
high island
You can set your roles in #bot-commands by the way.
umbral parrot
You can set your roles in <#504373613965737984> by the way.
Thanku
high island
umbral parrot
Chaos is cool
high island
Yes.
gray apex
Dio lesser calls very strong
tawdry fossil
Is there any good reason to start a new save and try to beat Hades first try? Is there any special dialogue?
reef zodiac
Is there any good reason to start a new save and try to beat Hades first try? Is...
Idk just to do it?
pure karma
There is the unlimited swag of putting up a video of it here
reef zodiac
I don’t think there’s special dialogue
But it is a very impressive feat to win your first run on a file
tawdry fossil
But it is a very impressive feat to win your first run on a file
oh nvm
thought it would be an easy thing or something
reef zodiac
Like I tried and gave up
pure karma
kek
tawdry fossil
just a bit harder from my reg runs these days
reef zodiac
thought it would be an easy thing or something
No it’s really hard
Harder than 50 heat imo
pure karma
I think I tried 48 times when I was playing a lot
pure karma
I had reaced ~30 heat which is not impressiv,e still I never managed to get over asphodel
not even once
tawdry fossil
no aspects, locked to only using sword, no talents, and no keepsakes
tawdry fossil
yeah
i saw a fresh file speedrun somewhere on yt and the movement was so much slower
pure karma
there is a silver lining though
tawdry fossil
I could just tell they were spamming dash
pure karma
it';s really easy to get ME because the game forces athena boons early and most gods dont even appear on your first run
if you get ME you have a real chance
tawdry fossil
yeah ME is basically a free one
pure karma
You still have one dash unless hermes, you have no revives, you have low hp, I think no backstacks too
reef zodiac
In fresh file, you are set to only 4 gods: Athena, Artemis, Ares, Dionysus. No other gods can show up, including Hermes or Chaos. In addition, no wells of charon or purging pools can spawn outside of the transition chambers (the ones between regions). Also hammers cannot show up.
pure karma
wait
gray apex
There is no Hermes
tawdry fossil
In fresh file, you are set to only 4 gods: Athena, Artemis, Ares, Dionysus. No o...
no hammers?
reef zodiac
No hammers
gray apex
Nope
pure karma
no hammers
tawdry fossil
yeah okay
reef zodiac
It’s incredibly difficult
reef zodiac
1 dash sword
tawdry fossil
well thanks everyone
pure karma
try it
tawdry fossil
for enlightening me on why i cant do it
pure karma
make sure you record too in case
tawdry fossil
ive only gotten to like, 9 heat?
no chance I can beat it first try
especially considering how much damage I take with sword against hades
reef zodiac
Yeah you can only afford to get hit a maximum of like 4 times against Hades
pure karma
If you do try it and try for ME, remember, athena's dash doesn;t count towards it. You need athena's attack/special and are's attakc. special
reef zodiac
And your DPS is gonna be really low
gray apex
The fights takes a while
tawdry fossil
Yeah you can only afford to get hit a maximum of like 4 times against Hades
you would really need to stack up on centaur hearts as well
gray apex
Heroes are also quite hard
reef zodiac
Heroes are like 8/10, Hades is 10/10
tawdry fossil
ur losing about 50+ health because you dont have tough skin
reef zodiac
I’ve beaten Heroes a few times but never even gotten to Hades phase 2
reef zodiac
ur losing about 50+ health because you dont have tough skin
Yeah and you’re getting way less hearts because no dark foresight
high island
Is there any good reason to start a new save and try to beat Hades first try? Is...
The dialogue is slightly different, but it's nothing big.
tawdry fossil
yeah I'll just find a youtube run to see that dialogue
reef zodiac
You could watch Vorime’s or Nitro’s world record run (they share the wr at 18:40)
Also shows you how efficiently a master can play fresh file runs
tawdry fossil
You could watch Vorime’s or Nitro’s world record run (they share the wr at 18:40...
in game time or real game time?
tawdry fossil
both ways its insane
reef zodiac
Oh ok
tawdry fossil
the more I think about it the harder itll probably be
tawdry fossil
Like 11 mins igt
bruh that beats my fastest time by a minute
raw herald
Lmao you’ll get there
reef zodiac
Wait til you see Vorime’s routed wr
raw herald
Nearly tooth hurty
leaden birch
gonna use extreme measures 3 for the first time now and fight those two later on so
uh
any advice for the fight
watched some of it on youtube
seems pretty intense
reef zodiac
any advice for the fight
Look out for the shockwave when Asterius lands. Imo that’s the hardest part of the fight
leaden birch
worst case guess I'll just
block everything with the shield since the shield's the one with darker thirst rn
gray apex
Well you’re better off bullrushing everything
Some stuff will hit you even if you’re blocking
Because you get hit from the sides or even from behind due to the way certain projectiles work
leaden birch
Beowulf
reef zodiac
Ohh
gray apex
Well maybe you can block then
reef zodiac
Wait have you seen the diagram for Beo block range
leaden birch
Wait have you seen the diagram for Beo block range
no
pure karma
I would use poseidon
reef zodiac
leaden birch
damn
reef zodiac
big plate safe
pure karma
You are gonna be fine with beo
pure karma
Also, if you get the hammer that makes your bullrush ranged, do it imo
gray apex
Yea
reef zodiac
For some attacks, it’s safer to angle your bull rush a bit to the left for better blocking
reef zodiac
do I still go for the minotaur first or
Definitely
gray apex
Just keep an eye out for when Theseus crosses the arena
reef zodiac
I always threw THeseus of his chariot, then bull
Oh my
gray apex
Theseus with god’s aid and the EM bull is very tricky to fight
reef zodiac
That’s so unnecessarily hard
pure karma
I dunno, I won most of the times, the chariot annoys me and breaks my concentration
reef zodiac
That’s probably the hardest possible way to approach the fight
gray apex
Theseus’ difficulty comes mostly from shrinking the arena
But if you break the chariot then you have a lot more to deal with
Spear throws are very annoying
And gods also cover the arena even more
All of that while an armored bull is kicking your ass
So yea usually focusing on Asterius is the play unless you really know what you’re doing and have very good knowledge of the fight
leaden birch
is slicing flare good for beowulf
reef zodiac
gray apex
It’s not no
reef zodiac
gray apex
Probably the worst
abstract epoch
theseus getting the charriot doesn't scare me at all on EM
reef zodiac
Slicing Flare is by far the worst, yeah
gray apex
Go for Flood or Passion
abstract epoch
only thing scary is getting hit by the bulls spin2win cause i messed up
gray apex
Try to get Mirage shot
abstract epoch
cause that thing does big damage
pure karma
Flood is easier to use cause the AoE is huge
Passion is more damage but you have to be a bit more precise
gray apex
Flood is easier access to Mirage aswell
gray apex
Yup
Will always be
Such a thing cant be patched or it’ll break speedrunning leaderboards
pure karma
no
leaden birch
man
gray apex
It’s also not
gray apex
Flood Flare or Passion flare are the strongest
pure karma
use their trinkets
gray apex
Trippy Flare if you have a good idea of what you’re doing
Besides that everything is gonna be weaker than those 3
pure karma
Trippy Flare if you have a good idea of what you’re doing
Trippy flare can be fun if you get that duo boon
abstract epoch
aphro being the best in most regards
pure karma
with zeus I think
abstract epoch
except her call, it's useless
pure karma
was it zeus?
gray apex
Trippy still wants Mirage on Beowulf but yea Zeus is cool
reef zodiac
Zeus' cast good
Did you see the chart I linked?
leaden birch
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11VO6K8efHb__bxzq-PgFc7ISBuV_6Prj4PHK5k3s...
oh
gray apex
The damage is okay but the aoe is so small
reef zodiac
No it’s not
gray apex
Just use Passion at that point
reef zodiac
Phalanx is literally worse passion in every single way
gray apex
Good damage good aoe
reef zodiac
The only reason to ever use phalanx is if you can’t get passion. It’s basically strictly worse
gray apex
That’s fine
leaden birch
okay
gray apex
Poms are what matter most
gray apex
And any other scaling you can get from wells / chaos
reef zodiac
Rarity on passion is trivial
gray apex
Not for casts
reef zodiac
Look at the chart
umbral parrot
What is a guan yu?
gray apex
What is a guan yu?
Hidden Spear aspect
umbral parrot
Oh
abstract epoch
guan yu possibly the worst weapon aspect too lol
reef zodiac
guan yu possibly the worst weapon aspect too lol
Definitely not
abstract epoch
in terms of hidden ones
pure karma
What is a guan yu?
It's something you are gonna deeply hate if you like spear
gray apex
Gilga exists
reef zodiac
It’s better than 3 out of 4 fist aspects
abstract epoch
down to like whatever percentage
gray apex
Good damage
signal aspen
And has charged skewer
gilga has maim tho
gray apex
umbral parrot
It's something you are gonna deeply hate if you like spear
I only use the spear
Its rhe best
strong ridge
which spear
umbral parrot
Hades
signal aspen
hades spear 
reef zodiac
Its rhe best
Define best
strong ridge
best
reef zodiac
I’d say spear is probably 4th or 5th best
strong ridge
guan yu more like guano
abstract epoch
I’d say spear is probably 4th or 5th best
what's last? sword?
reef zodiac
Fists
pure karma
what's last? sword?
Rama
reef zodiac
Shield > Rail = Bow >> Sword = Spear > Fists
Imo
reef zodiac
But this is all for competitive or “difficult” things
signal aspen
rama definitely the worst aspect
gray apex
I think ranking weapons in such a general way is just inaccurate
void vigil
wow, i used to exclusively play fists for a long long while LOL
reef zodiac
If you are playing casually, then all are good
pure karma
rama definitely the worst aspect
this one gets it
reef zodiac
wow, i used to exclusively play fists for a long long while LOL
Me too! Doesn’t matter how good it is if you like it
pure karma
Also, my most successful runs have been with Gilgamesh
reef zodiac
I think ranking weapons in such a general way is just inaccurate
Yeah that’s fair
signal aspen
bruv im joking
gray apex
A lot to take into account and depends a lot on what you’re doing aswell
reef zodiac
Yeah
gray apex
And aspects are kinda better to look at as opposed to Weapons
reef zodiac
Also fair
gray apex
But it also makes sense in some way since Sword and fists don’t have as good times for any% and not as high records for high heat
For a reason
reef zodiac
But almost no matter what you’re doing, shield rail and bow are better than the other 3 tbh
strong ridge
u upgrade it kat
pure karma
I think I have only beaten hades once with it
strong ridge
or is it lvl 1
pure karma
I have everything fully upgraded on my main file
strong ridge
niceu
reef zodiac
Idk about worst but Talos is my least favorite aspect. Used to be my favorite starting out too
void vigil
i beat final boss before with level 1 guan yu, it was fun haha. i think i did it twice. alas, i have everything maxed now
abstract epoch
only thing you have to worry with the shield are aoe's and getting smacked at an angle
gray apex
real gamer afterall
strong ridge
beo moment
void vigil
lmao same pancake i played talos a lot
reef zodiac
Honestly Guan Yu isn’t too bad. It may be worse Hestia but that doesn’t make it bad
umbral parrot
And the most fun
void vigil
ultimately the best weapon is what you have the most fun playing and feel that you are best at
strong ridge
i was a heavy spear player at first since i thought 50% crit on the reutrn was the coolest thing
abstract epoch
ultimately the best weapon is what you have the most fun playing and feel that y...
bow then, cause getting flurry shot means you just go into auto-pilot
reef zodiac
bow then, cause getting flurry shot means you just go into auto-pilot
If you like flurry shot, have you tried Hera?
pure karma
Demeter fists are one of my favorites
There is something beautiful about fully charged aphro special
leaden birch
ok random question but
abstract epoch
i tried hera like once, don't think i got good cast boons, so you can guess the rest
leaden birch
which path should I choose
one artemis boon room or
the choosing room with ares and zeus
strong ridge
wht build u doin
pure karma
what boons do you need
keep in mind double boon rooms cant have duo boons if you are going for one
reef zodiac
i tried hera like once, don't think i got good cast boons, so you can guess the ...
It’s best with crush shot. Every other cast is kinda just outclassed by crush shot tbh
leaden birch
It’s best with crush shot. Every other cast is kinda just outclassed by crush sh...
my previous run was
strong ridge
idk i usually take trials
leaden birch
hera with crush shot
abstract epoch
you could have just said instead
leaden birch
I also got fully loaded just before hades
reef zodiac
hera with crush shot
Ayy
abstract epoch
it's best with aphrodite
void vigil
flurry shot hera is a little weird to control for me
abstract epoch
just like everything
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s real good
abstract epoch
except the call
umbral parrot
Man
reef zodiac
flurry shot hera is a little weird to control for me
Are you on mouse and keyboard?
umbral parrot
Hades is such a good game
void vigil
i am
pure karma
I gave up on KBM
abstract epoch
only weapon i question people liking quite a bit at this point is chiron
void vigil
normal hera is fine though, i love it with crush shot and phalanx shot
abstract epoch
since it's failed me consistently vs EM hades
then again i could just be playing bad
reef zodiac
normal hera is fine though, i love it with crush shot and phalanx shot
Phalanx shot backstabbing from the front
reef zodiac
only weapon i question people liking quite a bit at this point is chiron
It carried all my early clears
strong ridge
then again i could just be playing bad
what kind of chiron u did
void vigil
i played it more before it got a little nerf. im sure its still fun even if not as powerful
void vigil
i beat em4 with it
strong ridge
chiron benefits siper hard from special chaos when u doin %dmg
void vigil
its an aspect for the bow
umbral parrot
Ohhh
abstract epoch
and the adds he can get in EM4 can be awful
umbral parrot
Bow was very boring for me
pure karma
Talking about nerfs, I never got to play pre-nerf chaos shield
and that breaks my heart
reef zodiac
aphro on the special
Artemis is better imo since it scales better with Chaos boons
void vigil
i remember when shield had innate deflect... good times
abstract epoch
i honestly prefer normal hades fight
3 hp bars is a bit much, even if it's still doable
reef zodiac
i honestly prefer normal hades fight
Fair. EM4 is honestly pretty unfair, especially with melee aspects
abstract epoch
him getting a heal is just dumb, it's a boss
you can just counter it
with enough damage, but stil
leaden birch
ok should I take skelly's tooth for elysium just in case or
umbral parrot
I almost beat hades
leaden birch
do I leave that for hades
strong ridge
that heal really gets annoying with ri/ap shenigans i imagine
umbral parrot
Only if one of my death defianxes didnt go to crap
I would have beat hades at my 30th ish run
strong ridge
u can win \
strong ridge
go
desert tundra
Anyone else an Arthur enjoyer?
Got a build earlier with Aura + increased range field and festive fog dmg reduction boon
Lol
pure karma
damn reached phase 2 this time
pure karma
Anyone else an Arthur enjoyer?
Yes
desert tundra
Nice
That aspect makes me feel like a Chad lol
My fav by far, Sword was already my fav weapon too
livid otter
Spoiler warning, need a bit of help ||How do I un-relationship people if possible? I did it with Thanatos to get the companion but I don't really like him and now other NPCs are reacting to it 
||
reef zodiac
You don’t need to spoiler tag in this channel
void vigil
i dont believe you can, other than starting a new file
reef zodiac
You can get the companion without romancing btw
void vigil
you dont need to go all the way through with the relationship to get the companion though
strong ridge
Spoiler warning, need a bit of help ||How do I un-relationship people if possibl...
its goes unmentioned realtively soon after
damn
reef zodiac
The game did give you the option to say no, didn’t it?
strong ridge
goat thought the companion was related to it
reef zodiac
You get the companion before romancing though
livid otter
Also one more, yall got any fast strats for leveling up trinkets? It's the last achievement I need but it's a big grind
reef zodiac
You should have already had the companion when the game gave you that option
livid otter
The game did give you the option to say no, didn’t it?
Havent gotten the cutscene yet
reef zodiac
Styx is the fastest place to level them
reef zodiac
Havent gotten the cutscene yet
Then you’re good
livid otter
Phew
reef zodiac
You can just say no when it does come up
livid otter
Ty ty
strong ridge
epic moment
livid otter
And yeah Styx is where I've been going mostly, each little room counts as an encounter
reef zodiac
epic moment
Rejecting the god of death. Certified epic gamer moment 😎
livid otter
strong ridge
just zag tings
livid otter
I dont wanna cheat on Meg cause then I would feel bad
reef zodiac
LMAO
reef zodiac
I dont wanna cheat on Meg cause then I would feel bad
||you might feel bad but she sure wouldn’t||
livid otter
||you might feel bad but she sure wouldn’t||
livid otter
Okay that sounds kinda funny
leaden birch
ok I beat extreme measures theseus and asterius
livid otter
Gg ez
reef zodiac
||you meg and than will play a board game together||
Who wins though
livid otter
Now do 32 heat 
reef zodiac
Now do 32 heat <:letrollisHERE:785390477612417074>
I’m one a few steps ahead of you
leaden birch
I don't like blowgun satyrs one bit
pure karma
Man I wish SG would make DLCs for this gmae
game*
Imagine getting boons from titans
reef zodiac
Yeah that would be pretty cool
I don’t want more boons, I just want new enemies/bosses
pure karma
Imagine Titans as bosses
strong ridge
zag instant L
leaden birch
Man I wish SG would make DLCs for this gmae
I mean
Titans could be one of the concepts but
what if
norse gods somehow
strong ridge
i want more of zag being helpful to the UW
pure karma
norse gods somehow
That is a whole different game
Titans are dead in the game's lore?
abstract epoch
zag even beating hades is questionble
which is why i'd rather believe he's holding back
reef zodiac
Titans are dead in the game's lore?
Also by game’s lore I assume you mean Greek mythology
pure karma
Like, actual dead? Or imprisoned like in actual mythology?
strong ridge
Titans are dead in the game's lore?
i doubt ssg would change the original mythos for something that hardly affects the game
reply moment
strong ridge
they are tartarus
reef zodiac
But I don;t think they are dea in greek mythology
I thought Kronos was cut into a million tiny pieces
abstract epoch
only real questions i had prior to playing the game was
strong ridge
yes becasue he cannot die
abstract epoch
why are the other gods mia
strong ridge
even in millions of bits kronos exists
pure karma
Kronos was imprisoned in tartarus, then eventually zeus allowed him to go so asphodel
strong ridge
why are the other gods mia
like other plympians?
abstract epoch
so hestia, hera, apollo, hephaestus
pure karma
Atlas holds the earth
pure karma
There are a lot of changes btw, but I enjoy the lore of the game anyway
strong ridge
anyway zag would get bodied by any titan
pure karma
One of the biggest changes is Zagreus himself
abstract epoch
well yeah
pure karma
He was supposedly Zeus' son
abstract epoch
don't think the game would mention that lol
pure karma
And hera fed him to the titans as retaliation for Zeus infidelity
then only his heart remained, which zeus someone used to concieve dionysus
strong ridge
zag is a nebulous piece of mythos
pure karma
At least that is one story
strong ridge
i thought
pure karma
This is one of the most famous versions I believe
abstract epoch
not much known about zagreus anyhow
except the above, and it's just one version of whatever
strong ridge
why does zag have an inherent dash again
pure karma
Ok in that version I mentioned, the mother is persephone
strong ridge
any knowers
reef zodiac
Nopers
pure karma
You mean there is lore behind it
strong ridge
well idk y he can it makes me wonder
im pretty sure it was mentioned in a dialogue but idr
pure karma
Now that you mention it, I also think I remember something like this.
high island
ok should I take skelly's tooth for elysium just in case or
Evergreen Acorn is the go-to for Elysium and the Temple of Styx.
umbral parrot
MAN7
strong ridge
fr
livid otter
Tooth if you struggle with the boss, duster if you struggle with the area
That was my strat
signal aspen
duster
livid otter
You'd be surprised by how much it heals you
strong ridge
duster op
livid otter
Also man, doing full runs for keepsake leveling is wearing me down
strong ridge
dont
livid otter
What's the faster strat then
strong ridge
having fun
pseudo kernel
yeah
livid otter
Too late for that
pseudo kernel
dont worry about leveling if you arent enjoying it
high island
Just speedrun with your fastest aspect and do all the tunnels.
flint breach
Gotta actually work for it smh
Sounds fun
flint breach
Also quick question what's a good way to get around Cerberus call apart from a call that makes you invincible
high island
All calls give i-frames on activation.
mint coral
Go to corners and pray
high island
Bottom right "corner" is usually the safest area.
livid otter
All calls give i-frames on activation.
Greater calls or normal calls too
high island
All calls.
high island
Pretty sure it's a longer duration than empty dash i-frames, too.
flint breach
So really just comes down to luck
livid otter
Just don't get hit
flint breach
Just don't get hit
Damn never thought of that, thanks
high island
Well, not quite. If you're not playing with FO, it's not too difficult to avoid getting hit. And saving a lesser Call just in case is always a good strategy for sure.
livid otter
Yeah np man
mint coral
The pray part was mainly a joke
livid otter
I have like 100 runs you can trust me
high island
I'd say 9 out of 10 runs at least, the bottom right of the arena is safe.
flint breach
Well, not quite. If you're not playing with FO, it's not too difficult to avoid ...
I normally play fo1 just cause free 3 heat
high island
I have like 100 runs you can trust me
So you're saying you're new.
livid otter
flint breach
I have like 100 runs you can trust me
Same
high island
Nice!
flint breach
GG
umbral parrot
idk why but this was my fastest run as well
livid otter
Congrats Kaey
flint breach
idk why but this was my fastest run as well
Beat dad now
livid otter
Good stuff
high island
@livid otter
pseudo kernel
ayo i beat theseus and minator back to back
Woo nice going
livid otter
Had to use a different s word
flint breach
Trident low key pog, was my favourite weapon at the start of the game
high island
Yeah, Achilles is easily the best spear tbh. But the others can be fun.
livid otter
Got my first win with the Hades aspect
strong ridge
poetic
pseudo kernel
i had so much fun the last run it was the first time i got to the surface with spear and it was with Guan Yu
flint breach
I got my first win with no aspect cause I'm cool
high island
I got my first win with a Shatter Shot build on Zag Shield when Zag Shield still gave damage reduction instead of base damage.
strong ridge
lighning rod gaming for me 😎
livid otter
What's the best weapon for speedrunning?
flint breach
I got my first win with explody trident special, took me 40 minutes
leaden birch
i had so much fun the last run it was the first time i got to the surface with s...
I'm 3 starring my keepsakes so I'll upgrade Cerberus' collar next time I get Guan Yu
Since it should be helpful too
leaden birch
I'm 3 starring my keepsakes so I'll upgrade Cerberus' collar next time I get Gu...
And by that I mean
Next time darker thirst is on the spear
strong ridge
What's the best weapon for speedrunning?
beo,eris,hera,rama, others
mint coral
I got my first win with a Shatter Shot build on Zag Shield when Zag Shield still...
Shatter was previous crush shot?
high island
What's the best weapon for speedrunning?
For speedrunning while leveling your keepsakes, I take it? At your level tbh just whatever you're most comfortable with being speedy.
high island
Shatter was previous crush shot?
Yes.
high island
i used a death defiance, though
Do you have the Evergreen Acorn yet? If so, use that in the Temple of Styx. That'll help a lot vs dad.
pseudo kernel
Since it should be helpful too
Sorta but i didnt see a need for it bc i wasnt gonna use it the whole run and if i was gonna use it i was only gonna use it for styx which didnt seem helpful
livid otter
For speedrunning while leveling your keepsakes, I take it? At your level tbh jus...
Yes, I think Arthur for me but I'm open to more weapons options so I can make it slightly less bland
pseudo kernel
acorn however was very helpful i must say
umbral parrot
Do you have the Evergreen Acorn yet? If so, use that in the Temple of Styx. That...
I dont think so
i have enough darkness saved up for an upgrade, though
mint coral
Acorn is from eurydice (aspho npc)
umbral parrot
i think i will be able to beat him with 3 death defiances
high island
That'll definitely help a lot.
pseudo kernel
posedion commented on my pace bc of hermes but i have Slothful Soul so thats kinda weird
rich gulch
Everything is slothful when compared to Lord Hermes.
pseudo kernel
it happens
umbral parrot
it was a very good run though!
pseudo kernel
i still lose to him often
high island
If you want any build advice before and/or during the run, just ask. Powerful builds will make the fight a lot easier.
umbral parrot
ye i wil
i got triple dash attack hammer from the start
i think this might be a good run
and have 3 death defiance
high island
What keepsake did you start with?
umbral parrot
posedion's one
i usually have dionysus cuz i like his attack boon
but picked him now
reef zodiac
acorn however was very helpful i must say
Acorn is by far the best defensive keepsake
high island
Conch Shell to get Tidal Dash is a better start tbh. So that's decent.
umbral parrot
high island
It's the go-to start for Achilles speedruns, and speedruns are all about DPS.
You'll want to get a lot of poms on your Tidal Dash.
umbral parrot
i didnt get tidal dash 
icy knoll
second-most-important day of the year
second-most-important day or night of the year
high island
Did you grab Flood Shot instead?
umbral parrot
You'll want to get a lot of poms on your Tidal Dash.
high island
Cast.
umbral parrot
not the one that uses the red crystal
high island
You usually wanna take his Cast when he doesn't offer Tidal Dash first boon, but I guess it's alright. Either way you're just hoping to get Tidal Dash from him later.
umbral parrot
i got another poseidon boon
there is flood shot
razor shoals
and oceans bounty
i usually take the rupture one
high island
I'd just grab Flood Shot. That'll give you a higher chance to get Tidal Dash from him later. But Razor Shoals is fine, too.
umbral parrot
flood shot only gives 10+ damage though
high island
He will always offer at least one out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash until all 4 of those slots are filled. So if you take the Flood Shot now, you'll have a 50% chance to see Tidal Dash from him next time (50% it's his Attack instead).
umbral parrot
i took flood shot
umbral parrot
He will always offer at least one out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash until a...
i got ares
boon
theres ares' aid
blade dash and curse of pain
which do i pick? 
umbral parrot
high island
I'd probably take Call and purge it at the next opportunity, but replacing your Tempest Flourish with Curse of Pain is alright, too, I suppose. Just it'll unlock his and Poseidon's Duo Boon (since you also have Poseidon's Cast), which... you don't really care for in your build and will just hurt your odds to get what you want.