lol
#h1-discussion
static furnace
karmic pond
Feather duster fan spotted 
wary mural
quick help me zeus or aphrodite
gray apex
In what context
ocean wadi
Aphrodite
gray apex
Whats your weapon, whats your build, there isn’t a strictly better god
wary mural
i have the shield guick bull charge and aphrodite cast zeus attack and dash
ocean wadi
Aphrodite
wary mural
what does weak even do
ocean wadi
It makes enemies weak
wary mural
no way sherlock holmes here
ocean wadi
Lol you asked what weak does
karmic pond
i have the shield guick bull charge and aphrodite cast zeus attack and dash
If you already have both I say go Zeus and aim for his call
wary mural
ok
karmic pond
You need a call to get Smair and Smair is broken
wary mural
smair?
karmic pond
Smoldering air, their duo boon
wary mural
oh ok
lone kernel
Aphrodite start into Zeus call and smair works on like everything
Smair, rip current and Poseidon aid hard carried me through 32 and 40 heat once
wary mural
Aphrodite start into Zeus call and smair works on like everything
lego star wars profile lol
lone kernel
lego star wars profile lol
haha yep, the discord I use the most is for Star Wars Squadrons and it’s a theme a bunch of my VR spaceship buddies have
wary mural
why cant i post a pick lol
karmic pond
I want to use Athena or Poseidon call with smair more often but going for Zeus is just such an easy way to check off two goals at once
wary mural
thunder flourish double strike or high voltage
karmic pond
wary mural
i thing im gonna get double strike
karmic pond
Double strike probably best there tbh yeah
wary mural
lol the aphrodite attack killed me
lone kernel
I want to use Athena or Poseidon call with smair more often but going for Zeus i...
it's significantly easier to get it up and running with Zeus, but smair/poseidon is insane
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/809607727818342420/image0.jpg?width=1179&height=663 this is back from February when i yeeted into a 32 with not exactly the best pact and it was fine cause poseidon smair is just that insanely good
wary mural
what weopon should i use
gray apex
One that you’re comfortable with
lone kernel
Nice mirror
lmao i am a peak gamer
this is from 2/11/2021 lol
people set me straight in victory boasting 
js3 em4 easy pacts
god's pride but didnt even get a rare poseidon call
point is, even with a jank fest mirror and pact like that
poseidon smair
hard carry lol
wary mural
ares dash aid or curse of vengeance
bleak karma
i was just about to dislike rama then it just melted hades
then i went from not liking it to loving it
triple shot👌
wary mural
whats rama
bleak karma
bow aspect
wary mural
a hammer bow right?
bleak karma
huh?
wary mural
use a hammer on the bow
wary mural
oh ok
bleak karma
have u beat the game once
bleak karma
dont look like this channel maybe
lone kernel
Yeah Rama has probably one of the highest sheer damage potential of any in the game
Chain shot Rama stonks 
bleak karma
does chain shot work in boss fights tho
lone kernel
does chain shot work in boss fights tho
Only asterius/Theseus. You can build Rama stronger with other hammers but it is so satisfying to spam chain triple shots and clear rooms in like five seconds
reef zodiac
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/920307314311987240/unk...
Tomb of the Giants
fast willow
phase 3 darkscreen randomly happened on crystal miniboss chamber
bleak karma
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/920307314311987240/unk...
how u have the same amount of nectar and gold
lone kernel
Looks like you’re using a modded game, I’d ask the modding discord for help since im pretty sure that’s what happened
fast willow
dont think this has anything to do with the speedrun modpack
gone in the next room as well
karmic pond
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/809607727818342420/i...
Good build will steal 
wary mural
bruh flurry jab spear so goddamn good
kindred silo
yep
wary mural
see what i did there hehe
devout terrace
wary mural
GODdamn
lone kernel
Good build will steal <:KEK:586337223927136257>
Smair gud Zeus legendary gud
I am an elite gamer
bleak karma
u are indeed elite
lone kernel
rapid forum
bruh flurry jab spear so goddamn good
Oh gods
reef zodiac
bruh flurry jab spear so goddamn good
high island
No that game puts me to sleep.
karmic pond
Smair gud Zeus legendary gud
Now what if I go Smair Aphrodite aid
Who needs to deal damage
lone kernel
Now what if I go Smair Aphrodite aid <:KEK:586337223927136257>
so then you need your offensive boons to do damage, but you can semi-stunlock the hades fight with it
charm doesnt last too long on bosses
whereas zeus smair can do over half your damage output once you get jolted
and doublestrike zeus smair is insane value
even without smair lol
but also aphrodite's the best and give her your nectar etc so i dont get fed to crocodiles again
high island
1/3rd the normal duration.
lone kernel
ah so aphro aid needs a few poms but you can totally stunlock dad with it and smair
high island
The pom scaling is actually amazing on it.
lone kernel
i just like watching dad derp around with unhealthy fixation lol
high island
1s for every pom minimum.
karmic pond
its still 6 seconds at full bar right
The full gauge only adds damage
Guess I'll give aphro aid a shot today
lone kernel
Yeah that’s what I thought I hardly ever take aphro aid
Aphro almost always goes on attack or special lol
karmic pond
I always find myself going attack, special or dash aphrodite
I've experimented with crush shot and it's not for me, the call I haven't given as much of a chance
lone kernel
Yeah I like the call being emergency countermeasures and aphro aid won’t save me from thirty dudes
Crush shot is absolutely insane on Hera now
Snow burst and crush shot plays itself
karmic pond
Oh yeah, crush shot is definitely good on hera, it just conflicts with my addiction to trippy shot hera bow
lone kernel
understandable
yeah crush shot by itself is tough since u gotta be close and stationary for a sec
flurry cast helps it a lot if stygian
also while we're talking about it, beowulf aphro cast if you sell your attack boon your cast becomes smol
its a bug that'll basically make you lose if youre pushing heat
karmic pond
wary mural
killed my first boss
lone kernel
killed my first boss
based
reef zodiac
Charm can do a ton of damage to Theseus and Asterius.
Really? I’ve found it kinda bugs the fight
Especially on EM3, because if you charm Asterius mid-spin, he will spin again immediately afterward
karmic pond
killed my first boss
Poor Megan
wary mural
shield quick bull charge = op im my opinion
lone kernel
shield quick bull charge = op im my opinion
Yeah, that’s my ideal first hammer for several shield builds
chrome wharf
I had that with divine dash and it just ignored the last boss's laser attack
reef zodiac
shield quick bull charge = op im my opinion
Not as op as charged shot
chrome wharf
not sure if that's just DDash
high island
Especially on EM3, because if you charm Asterius mid-spin, he will spin again im...
Well then if that bothers you, don't do it at that time.
bleak karma
charged shot supremacy
wary mural
Not as op as charged shot
i dont think you can charg shot a shield
chrome wharf
You need a hammer
high island
~~not sure if that's just DDash~~
Divine Dash doesn't make you invincible.
bleak karma
lol
lone kernel
i dont think you can charg shot a shield
There’s a hammer that makes the shield into basically a bow
wary mural
There’s a hammer that makes the shield into basically a bow
wot
bleak karma
i think u want to stay in #h1-for-new-players until u beat the game once lol
meager bane
I had that with divine dash and it just ignored the last boss's laser attack
divine dash is the athena boon, right??
wary mural
nah
wary mural
i stay here
chrome wharf
divine dash is the athena boon, right??
ye
high island
Bull Rush makes you invincible and any empty dash makes you invincible.
meager bane
Even the devs said the divine dash boon are ones that let you go really far in the game
high island
Right. It's designed to help you defensively.
That's why it does practically no damage its own.
reef zodiac
Well then if that bothers you, don't do it at that time.
Well yeah. Also, I can’t speak to how accurate this is but I was talking to someone on another server and they said they don’t like charm for champions because “a team attack can be stored and then suddenly happen out of nowhere”.
meager bane
Well the athena boons are build by that principle
wary mural
well got a deflecting shield
reef zodiac
Either way, smoldering Athena’s aid is gonna help a lot more 90% of the time
high island
Pretty sure if they're about to do a tag team move and you interrupt one of them in some way, the other one will just remain in that pose until they do the tag team move or one of them dies. So it's pretty obvious, not out of nowhere.
lone kernel
smoldering broseidon, god of the brocean
high island
Either way, smoldering Athena’s aid is gonna help a lot more 90% of the time
I don't think so.
lone kernel
or just go zeus
reef zodiac
Athena’s aid is just an Aphrodite’s aid that is actually decent for normal rooms and also helps more for bosses
high island
Aphrodite's Aid is way better in normal encounters.
lone kernel
Athena's aid is much more helpful
than broseidon, god of the brocean
high island
It absolutely works.
reef zodiac
The enemies don’t actually end up doing a noticeable amount of damage
lone kernel
The enemies don’t actually end up doing a noticeable amount of damage
they also dont do damage to you
reef zodiac
Yes, that’s all it accomplishes
high island
People just don't care to learn how to use it well tbh.
reef zodiac
Which is done much better by Athena’s aid
high island
I honestly don't rate Athena's Aid very highly after pom scaling nerfs.
lone kernel
People just don't care to learn how to use it well tbh.
aphro aid guide?
i think the other tricky thing i find w aphro aid is that without Smair you can get the boomstick shot
but then you gotta be like, zeus rail or something to charge it fast enough for it to matter
idk
reef zodiac
I honestly don't rate Athena's Aid very highly after pom scaling nerfs.
You don’t need more than 1 second anyway. If you can emergency-button any attack every 6 seconds, that’s absolutely good enough.
high island
You can do that with any Call.
reef zodiac
The only thing safer than a smoldering Athena’s aid is a smoldering rip current
reef zodiac
You can do that with any Call.
Yes up this one gives way more i-frames so it’s impossible to mess up the timing
Why would you need more than 2 seconds of invincibility?
high island
Bruh.
wary mural
just got charged shot
reef zodiac
Like why is it so important that you can’t pom it up to absurd numbers? It’s not necessary
Use your poms for damage
high island
Because it makes it hardly any better than any other Call for i-frames.
The pom scaling was what made it so good.
karmic pond
By the way, never tested them together, does Smair work with ||Hades|| call?
reef zodiac
Also, even if it’s not that good, which honestly it’s not, it’s still significantly better than Aphrodite’s Aid. I still think that without SAir, Aphrodite’s Aid is almost never worth picking because it’s better to leave yourself open to getting a call that actually does something
high island
aphro aid guide?
Kinda hard because a lot of it is just intuition tbh. Maybe I'll try to pay more attention to how and when I use it and on what enemies.
reef zodiac
By the way, never tested them together, does Smair work with ||Hades|| call?
No
You need 50% for hades call
high island
What? Without Smair, Aphrodite's Aid still does the best burst damage out of any Call. Artemis' Aid needs a few poms just to catch up.
wary mural
What? Without Smair, Aphrodite's Aid still does the best burst damage out of any...
hades call
wary mural
oops wrong person
reef zodiac
And I know you’re really gonna disagree with this but honestly I’d generally prefer Ares Aid over Aphrodite’s Aid a lot of the time.
That’s how bad I think it is
lone kernel
Ares aid is doodoo!
high island
I ain't even gonna comment on that.
reef zodiac
What? Without Smair, Aphrodite's Aid still does the best burst damage out of any...
Only on a full call against bosses. Actually a worthless call in normal rooms
reef zodiac
Ares aid is doodoo!
I agree
lone kernel
high island
Yeah, a Chariot taking down most of an enemy wave for you is worthless.
lone kernel
Zeus call with smair and Zeus boons is OP
Yep. And also really easy to get going
narrow hemlock
hey guys can we have discussions that don't feel like "that's your opinion but it's wrong" 😕
copper bobcat
Mhm, I love pairing him with Aphro for that reason
lone kernel
Would it be better to pom jolted or the call if that’s my first two Zeus
copper bobcat
Wouldn’t it be better to pom double lightning if u get it early
lone kernel
Wouldn’t it be better to pom double lightning if u get it early
Yeah, but I’m asking about what hits harder, jolted or Zeus aid
high island
Call poms are typically best.
lone kernel
Word!
copper bobcat
Ye
bleak karma
wait wtf i never pom my calls
lone kernel
I always take jolted over Zeus attack and special on poms
lone kernel
am i supposed to use non maxed call
yep
karmic pond
I never touch half the calls
lone kernel
odds are it wont charge all the way in most standard rooms
also smoldering air
is a thing
bleak karma
odds are it wont charge all the way in most standard rooms
k thx
reef zodiac
Yeah, a Chariot taking down most of an enemy wave for you is worthless.
Maybe in magical Christmas land lmao
bleak karma
i always forget about calls and companions
karmic pond
Demeter, Ares, Artemis and Aphrodite almost always go in a different slot, though sometimes I take Artemis call just to fit her somewhere for duo boons
copper bobcat
Smair with clockets on rail is pog is
lone kernel
Maybe in magical Christmas land lmao
the mods were talkin to you, dial it back please, you're coming off as "you're wrong im not listening"
unborn remnant
Aphro call is insane
narrow hemlock
Maybe in magical Christmas land lmao
respectfully, can you stop
bleak karma
wait aphro call is considered bad?
reef zodiac
Huh? I’m disagreeing with Nyaa. I’m sure she would let me know if she found it to be rude
copper bobcat
I’m normal rooms
lone kernel
wait aphro call is considered bad?
that's what we're talking about now
reef zodiac
wait aphro call is considered bad?
Depends who you ask
bleak karma
i see 3k dmg i have neuron activation
copper bobcat
Against bosses it’s decent imo
bleak karma
for me its good cus i never use calls in normal rooms
so the one hit dmg is nice to have
high island
am i supposed to use non maxed call
They're usually better unless it's Artemis' Aid or Aphrodite's Aid if you want the burst damage from those two.
unborn remnant
Aphrodite call with privileged status nukes the theseus fight in record time
reef zodiac
Aphrodite call with privileged status nukes the theseus fight in record time
I’m pretty sure charm doesn’t count toward PS
bleak karma
is demeter call bad
unborn remnant
It does
reef zodiac
Are you 100% sure?
unborn remnant
yeah
reef zodiac
Alright.
unborn remnant
i think its labeled as a curse
bleak karma
feels like demeter call doesnt do enough dmg
unborn remnant
feels like demeter call doesnt do enough dmg<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
it doesnt
mostly good for crowd control
bleak karma
ouch
unborn remnant
and even then id rather have ares
high island
Greater Calls can typically do more damage in theory, but you'll rarely ever find a time to benefit from the full duration of the Call.
unborn remnant
Aphro is one of the ones who gets the most out of greater call
reef zodiac
i think its labeled as a curse
Wiki doesn’t list it as a status curse.
lone kernel
for me its good cus i never use calls in normal rooms
okay, let's give you an overview of calls - there's a few that have defensive effects, a few that are offensive, and hybrid of both. IMO, the most useful calls are Zeus (pure offense), Poseidon (I-frames and burst damage) and Athena (invincible face tank easy game). Artemis and Aphrodite at full charge hit REALLY hard - as in, they're great in the dad fight, and questionable elsewhere. We were discussing how to get more value out of aphrodite's aid, since i had failed to really get much out of it. Demeter call is solid, slowing dudes down will help keep you alive, though don't expect the damage from it to carry you
unborn remnant
during the boss fight
high island
Huh? I’m disagreeing with Nyaa. I’m sure she would let me know if she found it t...
m with tatz here.
lone kernel
as for me, im gonna go see if i can charm a chariot
reef zodiac
m with tatz here.
Alright
bleak karma
okay, let's give you an overview of calls - there's a few that have defensive ef...
wow so much knowledge
reef zodiac
Yeah I’m not finding any evidence that charm counts toward PS
Pretty sure it doesn’t
bleak karma
well that sucks
high island
It doesn't.
lone kernel
wow so much knowledge
yeah, i played this game a bit
what's awesome is that like, even 400 hours in
charm the chariot
is a new piece of data for me
bleak karma
yeah, i played this game a bit
a bit is an understatement is it
high island
Something important to keep in mind is that all Calls have huge defensive value because any Call activation gives a lot of i-frames.
bleak karma
charm the chariot
what does it do
lone kernel
a bit is an understatement is it
i think nyaanyaa has me lapped twice over lmao
reef zodiac
charm the chariot
I’ve tried and I have never in my life seen it do much of anything. But that’s my personal experience
bleak karma
nyaanyaa mewmew
lone kernel
what does it do
aphrodite aid a chariot so it runs over enemies in elysium
bleak karma
nice name
bleak karma
aphrodite aid a chariot so it runs over enemies in elysium
it does huge dmg?
high island
Ty. 
bleak karma
wow never tried that
high island
<:m2MewThis:611678748588245062> <:m2MewThis:611678748588245062>
Correct.
unborn remnant
Maybe I’ve just been running aphro with 2 other curses idk
I also havent played in months
sorry :/
high island
Well, if you have Charm, you most likely have Weak.
reef zodiac
Yes but importantly charm and weak do not active PS together
unborn remnant
weak + a bunch of others do though
reef zodiac
Either way, I won’t be running PS so it doesn’t matter to me
unborn remnant
😐
high island
Which are the bad curses?
high island
Well, which ones?
unborn remnant
yeah which ones
reef zodiac
Which ones are good?
high island
You first.
reef zodiac
No like is that what you’re asking?
high island
Which are the bad curses?
.
reef zodiac
Exposed
But beside that, my point isn’t that the curses are bad, as much as that they’re just not worth going for
Hence why most people don’t use PS outside of specific builds
high island
Exposed is great for activating Privileged Status, though.
reef zodiac
unborn remnant
so true
reef zodiac
You’re trolling me right Nyaa
high island
What I said isn't untrue.
reef zodiac
Yes…
high island
It's also great in like two or three very specific situations, so it can't be bad.
reef zodiac
Also chill isn’t nearly good enough to excuse using any of the boons that apply it (beside snow burst)
high island
Chill is amazing.
reef zodiac
Frost Strike isn’t though
That’s my point
It’s never the worst option, but it rarely makes top 3 and never is number 1
And hangover is just worse lightning with a few exceptions
high island
It's been awhile without your hot takes here.
lone kernel
I died once using beowulf to em4, beowulf bad aspect
fast willow
I died once using beowulf to em4, beowulf bad aspect
true!
high island
I died once using beowulf to em4, beowulf bad aspect
Have you tried playing something easy like Zag Sword?
fast willow
i beat 40heat gilgamesh before 40 heat rama, gilgamesh must be a great heat aspect so just use that lando
lone kernel
Have you tried playing something easy like Zag Sword?
yeah, just throw a common frost strike and cursed slash easy game
fast willow
im sure it deals with em4 fine too
high island
Zag Sword gives you Attack speed. Zag Sword + Cursed Slash is broken. And try to get Cruel Thrust for that for insane damage.
high island
yeah, just throw a common frost strike and cursed slash easy game
That's actually a pretty good combo lol.
lone kernel
Zag Sword gives you Attack speed. Zag Sword + Cursed Slash is broken. And try to...
cruel thrust over world splitter cursed slash tho? 15 percent attack speed
high island
Well, not necessarily common, but just Chill + Cursed Slash.
lone kernel
Yeah I was memeing then like..wait actually maybe that would work
high island
Chill gud.
high island
Weak and Chill are by far the best curses imo.
reef zodiac
Jolted
high island
No.
high island
high island
I don't think that's even in the conversation for anywhere near top tier.
reef zodiac
How?
fast willow
Jolted bad
wot
reef zodiac
Doesn’t activate privileged status
But…..
devout terrace
Wat
high island
Doesn’t activate privileged status
It does though.
reef zodiac
Static Discharge is a busted boon
devout terrace
Doesn’t activate privileged status
It does
reef zodiac
Nyaa you have to be messing with me
high island
Not at all.
reef zodiac
But that boon is so broken
devout terrace
Bruh I have a 53 Achilles where my 2 status boons are demeter special and jolted
And that activated priv
fast willow
i also thought that jolted is incredibly strong
reef zodiac
I’m genuinely so confused
Jolted is insanely good
Imo it’s the best non-Hermes non-duo boon. Either that, heartbreak strike, or divine dash.
devout terrace
Jolted is amazing because: insane rarity and pom scaling, scales great with global damage, amazing on rail because your attacks dont stun
lone kernel
Funny how shooting something doesn’t stun it lol
devout terrace
+its even better with FO2
reef zodiac
Jolted is amazing because: insane rarity and pom scaling, scales great with glob...
And also because Zeus attack (or special for Zeus shield) is decently strong in its own for fast weapons. And then Jolted comes in and sends the damage to the moon
devout terrace
Since fellas attack faster
high island
Static Discharge is great, but there's a very simple experiment to highlight why it can't be anywhere near "best boon".
You have two boons: Lightning Strike and Static Discharge. Which one are you purging?
fast willow
thats a strange arguement to me
reef zodiac
Yeah
devout terrace
reef zodiac
I don’t think that’s how I judge how good a boon is
“You have mirage shot and you have crystal beam in Styx? Which are you purging? That’s right. Crystal beam better than mirage shot.”
devout terrace
You have athena dash and exposed, what are you selling
lone kernel
If I only have two boons at the first purging pool, it’s not lookin too great for ol Lando tbh
high island
No, it isn't. You can't say it's the best boon when it requires certain boons to even make work in the first place. It's great under specific conditions.
reef zodiac
It’s about the utility. Jolted is the literal best boon you could get for any Zeus attack build, or any Zeus special build.
fast willow
“You have mirage shot and you have crystal beam in Styx? Which are you purging? ...
clearly it is, crystalbeam is the best boon in the game
reef zodiac
No, it isn't. You can't say it's the best boon when it requires certain boons to...
Yes you can. I think Mirage Shot is the best (non-Hermes) boon.
devout terrace
clearly it is, crystalbeam is the best boon in the game
You have glacial glare and beam, what are you selling?
lone kernel
No, it isn't. You can't say it's the best boon when it requires certain boons to...
I don’t know that those conditions are all that hard tho, and in that case you described, I’d likely have a third option and would sell that
lone kernel
You have glacial glare and beam, what are you selling?
Mirage shot, duh
high island
Mirage Shot genuinely sucks in some builds.
fast willow
You have glacial glare and beam, what are you selling?
selling meme beam under any condition is a mistake.
high island
Like it does practically nothing without a good Cast.
It's amazing in some builds and pretty useless in others.
lone kernel
selling meme beam under any condition is a mistake.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve taken an epic meme beam planning to purge it then realizing by Meg that I’m committed to the meme beam dream
reef zodiac
You clearly judge “best” differently. But that doesn’t mean we are wrong
lone kernel
Mirage shot does not suck in meme beam build tho
fast willow
tbh by your arguement nyaanyaa one could even claim that epic greatest reflex isnt a great boon because it isnt too useful on shield builds
lone kernel
it’s like having an articuno that’s more like an articuno point tres
high island
Epic Greatest Reflex is still amazing on shield, though.
reef zodiac
tbh by your arguement nyaanyaa one could even claim that epic greatest reflex is...
Yeah. Smoldering Air is literally always incredible any time where it’s possible to get it and therefore it’s the best boon undeniably and nothing comes close. If you use that logic.
high island
My point is that your methodology for determining what is "best" is completely flawed and devoid of any predictive power if you're putting Static Discharge at #1.
lone kernel
Yeah. Smoldering Air is literally always incredible any time where it’s possible...
no Artemis aid smoldering bad
reef zodiac
no Artemis aid smoldering bad
No it’s not
fast willow
wot
reef zodiac
My point is that your methodology for determining what is "best" is completely f...
Well I disagree with that.
fast willow
how is smouldering artemis call not bad
high island
¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef zodiac
Invincibility every 4 seconds is not “bad”.
high island
^
reef zodiac
Exactly
lone kernel
Arty call not super awesome in general
I like it on meme beam tho
Have a full volley for each of dads health bars
Heart rend or DR on it pog
high island
You can't, in fact, compare boons that only work in specific conditions to boons that can always work because there's always a situation in which the former just doesn't do anything. They're in different categories.
reef zodiac
My point is that your methodology for determining what is "best" is completely f...
If Beowulf can’t beat 61 heat (or at least has immense trouble doing so compared to Zeus), does that mean it can’t be the best aspect? I judge best based on dominance of the meta. Just as Beo is incredibly good at both speedrunning and high heat, Static Discharge is incredible for both as well. It is also the best possible boon you could get in any Zeus build and does significantly more than any other boon does for any other build outside of duos. It has prerequisites, but if a boon having prereqs means it can’t be the best boon then you’re really narrowing it down in a very unnecessary way. You can say that only T1 boons are allowed to be labeled the best but I strongly disagree. Static Discharge gives a massive advantage to many many different builds and single-handedly carries Zeus to being the best god for pure DPS (arguably its Aphrodite but I think it’s Zeus. But if jolted didn’t exist then Zeus would literally be bad).
Wait yeah… if jolted didn’t exist then Zeus cores beside call and maybe cast would literally be bad
Outside of a few situations
But since jolted exists, Zeus is meta for so many weapons
high island
You can say that only T1 boons are allowed to be labeled the best but I strongly disagree.
Except I don't say that.
reef zodiac
You say that if you’d sell the boon over another boon then it can’t be the best, no?
You didn’t literally say that but you basically said that.
reef zodiac
How
Also, can you name a single T2 non-duo non-legendary boon that is better than static discharge?
I don’t even know if I’d say rush delivery is better than static discharge since it’s not super consistent to get both it and hyper sprint. But I’m not sure about that
I think the only (non-Hermes) boon that has an impact on the meta that’s equal to Static Discharge is Mirage Shot
high island
Point is that you need to rate boons according to their categories. E.g., Static Discharge only has any value in builds that have lightning effects that can apply Jolted, so you can only rate it in that context.
Outside of that, it has 0 value.
reef zodiac
Right but if it didn’t exist then those builds, instead of being top tier, would be bad.
high island
Well, for rating t1 boons, you'd also have to consider the t2 boons they can open up, naturally.
reef zodiac
No other boon has such a huge effect on the meta and single-handedly carries a top tier build for both speedrunning and high heat, outside of probably Mirage Shot
high island
So you can gauge e.g. Lightning Strike + Static Discharge vs Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark.
But just Static Discharge vs Hunter's Mark doesn't make a lot of sense without context.
reef zodiac
But static discharge is incredible with both lightning strike and thunder flourish (and sea storm and sometimes Zeus’s aid depending on how fast your weapon is)
And if it didn’t exist then both of those boons would be very fringe in meta play
high island
And if Lightning Strike and Thunder Flourish didn't exist?
reef zodiac
That’s two boons
And even still, static discharge would be an incredible option for every other way of applying lightning
high island
Point is that Static Discharge makes those two boons good picks, and boons like that make Static Discharge work at all.
reef zodiac
That’s not even true though. Static Discharge would still be incredibly good, just used much less frequently. It would be demoted to Killing Freeze status, where it’s very strong but the ways of applying it are fringe
high island
"boons like that"
reef zodiac
Ok so you’re saying that the boon is bad if you remove literally every other Zeus boon
Therefore it can’t be the best boon
high island
...
reef zodiac
I don’t judge “best boon” based on the criteria of the boon I would use if I was only allowed to use a single boon. The fact is that those other boons do exist and it’s thanks to Static Discharge that they dominate the meta
high island
I don’t judge “best boon” based on the criteria of the boon I would use if I was only allowed to use a single boon.
Neither do I.
reef zodiac
I know
What’s your pick for best boon then? Judging from what you’re saying my guess would be heartbreak strike? But idk
Beside Hermes
lone kernel
ares aid
high island
What’s your pick for best boon then? Judging from what you’re saying my guess wo...
You completely missed my point.
reef zodiac
What would it be then?
high island
There isn't one best boon because boons are in different categories.
reef zodiac
Well I think you can say the best boon in categories. Or I can say what I think is the best boon in the game because it has the most impact on the meta, which is a way of choosing it that has nothing to do with categories.
lone kernel
Well I think you can say the best boon in categories. Or I can say what I think ...
You’re trying to “solve” the game, optimize everything, but the complexity of that problem is on the scale of how many games of chess are there
Jolted’s great
But if I have Excalibur
It’s not gonna shine like it would on Eris
lone kernel
like you need military supercomputers to figure out what the absolute best build would be
On Excalibur, I def want heartbreak strike and dem call to slow everything down so I can whack them with my giant stick
gray apex
lone kernel
But heartbreak strike Eris would be kind of a meme (probably could make it work, but not optimal)
You get the idea
Best boons are meme beam and ares aid tho
reef zodiac
like you need military supercomputers to figure out what the absolute best build...
I’m not trying to calculate that. I’m looking at the meta of the high level aspects of the game and seeing what boons have the most impact and power there.
lone kernel
And taking what the game gives you and making it work is more important than theorycrafting, like you sometimes won’t get the boons you want and now what
high island
No idea if I'd still agree with all of that, but this is one I made like a year ago or something? Also just kind of a rough average for all aspects (in a high heat context, if I remember right?), so if you look at any one specific aspect, it'd probably look very different. https://i.imgur.com/xWUPvie.png
lone kernel
ok word I got worried for a second there
high island
life affirmation is an aphro boon tho it’s in D+
That's not Life Affirmation, by the way.
Different League.
high island
Life Affirmation value depends a lot on run timing, so it's in that category.
Second category from the bottom.
reef zodiac
Wait wait wait hold on
Why is curse of agony in S+
I couldn’t name a single aspect where that’s the best option unless I’m going for ME
high island
Great damage, good pom scaling, potential for Merciful End. Why wouldn't it be?
reef zodiac
It’s literally bad if you’re not going for ME unless it’s a weapon that mainly relies on special for damage
high island
It's not, though.
reef zodiac
What is a situation where it’s not?
high island
...?
It's great on pretty much all melee builds.
I mean you could swap it with something in S tier, I don't care. It's up there anyway.
reef zodiac
Would you ever start curse of agony on any fists aspect without the plan of forcing ME
Or any sword aspect?
high island
What?
Just because you're going for an optimal build doesn't mean it's not great still without Merciful End.
gray apex
So anyway
reef zodiac
I would never start with curse of agony over another boon in any situation where I’m not planning on forcing ME
gray apex
Isn't bouldy handsome
reef zodiac
Literally ever
karmic pond
Isn't bouldy handsome
Bouldy's gonna get even hotter in the secretly in the works EM5 update where he'll be the final final boss
reef zodiac
Just because you're going for an optimal build doesn't mean it's not great still...
But it’s worse than another option in every situation
fast willow
Isn't bouldy handsome
we all know this
reef zodiac
What’s a situation where it’s the best option even if you’re not planning on forcing ME? Any situation
high island
If you're just looking at Attack boons per se, Curse of Agony on Malphon still beats any other Attack boon, for example.
reef zodiac
I’d rather have Zeus
high island
Also I really don't know why you keep insisting on "if you're not planning for ME" when deliberately planning for a suboptimal build is not relevant to the tier list.
reef zodiac
Especially because once I have Zeus I’m one boon away from Jolted and then I literally have a better version of Curse of Agony just tacked onto my already good attack boon
high island
So... you're comparing going for an optimal Lightning Strike build to not going for an optimal Curse of Agony build. Okay.
m out.
reef zodiac
Also I really don't know why you keep insisting on "if you're not planning for M...
Right, but my point is that curse of agony is only ever worth taking in three situations:
- You are going to force Merciful End no matter what gods or boons you see in Tartarus
- You don’t plan on using your attack very often
- You can’t find a better option
reef zodiac
So... you're comparing going for an optimal Lightning Strike build to not going ...
No, that’s not what I’m saying
raw herald
Pstatus 
reef zodiac
Right, but my point is that curse of agony is only ever worth taking in three si...
And out of these 3 situations, only 1 of them will actually have the boon doing a lot, and that’s if you’re going to force ME. That’s also the only situation where I’d take it as my first boon.
At the very least that puts the boon below lightning strike
At the very least
raw herald
Storm lightning is the best boon in the game
Heroic is +8 bounces which is equivalent to 200% global damage if the only boon you have is lightning strike
reef zodiac
Btw rmacinty we were arguing about whether Jolted was a contender for best boon and I figured you’d have an opinion on that since you are the biggest jolted fan I know
reef zodiac
I remember that I thought jolted was mid and you helped convince me that it was busted
full nexus
It’s literally bad if you’re not going for ME unless it’s a weapon that mainly r...
ME is strong but doom itself is kind of a one boon build too
reef zodiac
Still worse than other options in every situation
reef zodiac
When is it the best option on an attack slot that you plan to use for your primary damage
raw herald
It’s extremely optimal if you don’t want to hit enemies all the time
Ie if you are a new player
reef zodiac
There's no such thing as a boon good in every situation
Yes. But this boon is optimal in zero situations outside of ME.
full nexus
Does not make sense
reef zodiac
It is never worth using over another attack boon
full nexus
Optimal does not make sense
reef zodiac
How
full nexus
Your concept can't stand, besides Hermes, there's no optimal boon that would fit any aspect
reef zodiac
Zeus attack is optimal for Eris at low to mid-high heat. Dionysus is optimal once you’re using AP2 RI2 and can’t consistently get jolted and get poms on it.
full nexus
It is never worth using over another attack boon
On fist it is though?
raw herald
If ME wasn’t one of the strongest builds in the game, I’d be more concerned that curse of agony on its own isn’t particularly impressive
reef zodiac
On fist it is though?
You’d use Curse of Agony over Lightning Strike on any fists in any situation other than forcing ME?
marble badge
Yes
raw herald
But realistically, apart from epic aphro attack on all weapons that aren’t fists and rail, all attack boons suck in their own
full nexus
You’d use Curse of Agony over Lightning Strike on any fists in any situation oth...
Yes if my build options are limited
reef zodiac
Well maybe at high heat when you can’t get jolted but at that point wouldn’t you use a different option?
I guess maybe you wouldn’t. So maybe we found an example.
Still pretty niche tbh, especially compared to lightning strike
full nexus
Well maybe at high heat when you can’t get jolted but at that point wouldn’t you...
Which one can you think of? Besides both there's only Dio and it badly needs poms
reef zodiac
Yes but the amount of luck/work required to get CoA w ME greatly exceeds that of jolted
raw herald
Which is why it is stronger
reef zodiac
Which one can you think of? Besides both there's only Dio and it badly needs pom...
As I said, this might be an example
reef zodiac
Which is why it is stronger
Yes but less optimal for a lot of situations. including speedruns, which says something I think.
high island
But realistically, apart from epic aphro attack on all weapons that aren’t fists...
Epic Heartbreak Strike on Malphon still kinda nice tbh, at least for single-target damage.
raw herald
🤔 pretty sure me beats zap in speedruns
full nexus
Sure does
reef zodiac
Maybe. But do Demeter fist speedruns go for ME or jolted?
marble badge
ME
full nexus
ME
lone kernel
MEmebeam
reef zodiac
Oh, alright then
I definitely remember being advised to do jolted over ME when I last played but maybe things have changed
full nexus
But then again it's ME. When you want to look at the strength of one boon, it's probably better to see what it can do alone.
Otherwise, you consider combos
high island
I think non-ME builds are like 3 minutes behind or something on Malphon.
reef zodiac
That doesn’t seem right
full nexus
Yes
raw herald
Unless ME fists have a 4:20, that’s untrue
full nexus
That's why your question has no answer
raw herald
Cause I have a 7:20 zap run somewhere
reef zodiac
Yeah there’s just no way that’s true
high island
I guess one of you caught up then.
full nexus
Build is cool but you know, rooms
reef zodiac
That’s not my point
full nexus
I'm answering the ME Malphon thing
But we're talking about best boons and no one sent the divine dash copy pasta
full nexus
Lmao
lone kernel
But we're talking about best boons and no one sent the divine dash copy pasta
yeah best boon is meme beam and ares aid
we covered this
man maybe in the theoretical DLC we can get boons from slifer the sky dragon
or is that too zeus derivative
full nexus
we covered this
Ok then granted
lone kernel
hollow basin
Hey, why the patrocol room doesn't appear, there have been several runs already and it doesn't appear to me.
mint coral
Bad rng
high island
Just luck, yeah.
lone kernel
How many times do you estimate patty has saved a run for you? (Question directed at anyone who feels like answering - for me prob at least 100 of 444)
bitter rover
lately i run into him with full dd, then the very next chamber i lose them all
gray apex
How many times do you estimate patty has saved a run for you? (Question directed...
5/1121 atm
gray apex
devout terrace
twin thistle
this is what happens when you get no free rooms in elysium
gray apex
this is what happens when you game too hard
versed mason
too much gaming
gray apex
true gamer
vernal obsidian
Wow thats a big win
versed mason
also you can give dad a huge when he does laser right? like go inside the spears?
devout terrace
also you *can* give dad a huge when he does laser right? like go inside the spea...
not on EM4
but normally yes
versed mason
ye
gray apex
Yea on EM4 you get rekt
versed mason
understandable
twin thistle
also dont block next to dad during em4 lasers or youll be knocked into a pot
gray apex
also dont block next to dad during em4 lasers or youll be knocked into a pot <:b...
maybe 2
devout terrace
nah then you'II just feel empty
fast willow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/828549667901014016/unk...
overtime on td2
devout terrace
I may or may not be considering 60 Heat Beo
do not
you will die inside from the pom resets
twin thistle
gray apex
Rama is probably easier
devout terrace
rama EM4 🗿
gray apex
If you're good at EM4
devout terrace
pom resets are literally the worst thing in this entire game
versed mason
there's a heat that resets poms?
devout terrace
if you have RI2 you are not getting more than 1-2 poms at best+needing poms to scale is absolutely terrible with AP2
devout terrace
there's a heat that resets poms?
if you take away dark foresight you dont get nearly as many "gold" door rewards
these include coins, poms and gods
(and hammer)
gray apex
And AP2 makes it worse
versed mason
ah
devout terrace
and one of them is urge to kill
and the other is your cast
there is a 50% chance it will go into urge to kill
on AP2
gray apex
you're guaranteed to hit urge to kill 100% of the time
gray apex
there is a 50% chance it will go into urge to kill
what
gray apex
That might be true but in reality it's secretly 100% to not hit your cast
karmic pond
I used to use Olympian Favor over Dark Foresight for a pretty long time before realizing DF was just better
reef zodiac
How would you all rate the bosses from this game based on how well designed / fun they are? Including the EM bosses as separate from their non-EM counterparts
reef zodiac
I used to use Olympian Favor over Dark Foresight for a pretty long time before r...
Dark Foresight is better than you even know
Imo, the ranking of fights in this game is:
Hades
EM Champions
Champions
EM Furies
Charon
Furies
EM Hades
Lernie
EM Lernie
Tiny Vermin
gray apex
Imo, the ranking of fights in this game is:
Hades
EM Champions
Champions
EM Fur...
for how well designed?
reef zodiac
How well designed, fair, and fun they are
EM Hades is fun at low heat but it’s a very unfair fight
Which is part of the point, I know
twin thistle
em asterius charge is sus
reef zodiac
Wym
high island
high island
Alecto is the best boss.
karmic pond
Cerberus best boss
high island
Alecto is Alecto.
karmic pond
reef zodiac
I guess I could rank the furies separately. I actually think Alecto is my least favorite fury fight
high island
Alecto always brings good luck.
reef zodiac
Alecto is definitely the hardest
twin thistle
high island
She's kind, lovely, honest, sweet, comforting...
twin thistle
reef zodiac
Also she’s the bane of my hitless runs
twin thistle
i hate this
reef zodiac
https://imgur.com/a/USZIbwe
I’ve seen that before lmao
high island
https://imgur.com/a/USZIbwe
He outplayed you.
reef zodiac
Why was he going so fast? Is that how fast EM3 FO2 Asterius is? Has it been that long?
twin thistle
wdym hes chilled
twin thistle
also hes faster at the start of the charge
reef zodiac
It’s been too long. I’ve only been playing on this other file to try to max it out
karmic pond
Asterius found out how to walk around walls
Before you know it he'll figure out how to use doors too
Wait he already does that
high island
Also that looks like it's recorded at 30 fps, so at 60 fps there would be twice as many frames meaning he'd be twice as slow.
reef zodiac
Also that looks like it's recorded at 30 fps, so at 60 fps there would be twice ...
Is that how that works
Interesting
high island
Yeah, that's how frames work.
twin thistle
though i was prolly playing at 40 fps here
versed mason
it's never your cast
gray apex
gotta save battery life
high island
I want all my chamber 4s to be like this from now on, please. https://i.imgur.com/MO8Y2E8.png
full nexus
Not boasting or anything but I'm such an artist
versed mason
hades spear + massive spin lol
calm zenith
It's fun yeah
stone surge
important question
if I purge a boon, is it possible to get it again?
like say i got a common curse of pain, can i purge it and later get an epic one?
lone kernel
like say i got a common curse of pain, can i purge it and later get an epic one?
potentially, but it's not a sure thing. if you have the boon you want, in the case you described you're better off with the common and impending doom than the epic doom if you wnana build around ares
if it's to feed the purging pool for underworld customs and youre just hoping u get it back, yea
but never purge core boons
common doom still shreds on ME lol
stone surge
idk it's just i love getting epic booms
lone kernel
*core to your build, go ahead and sell casts you dont care about
yeah, but you get the same result with a pom
stone surge
and getting attack and special boons are pretty common right?
lone kernel
then that next ares boon
stone surge
a rare boon is basically a pommed common boon?
stone surge
that's epic
lone kernel
but yeah
lone kernel
that is by rarity
yeah
boon rarity is just like
a free pom
Hermes really wants good boon rarity cause his stuff cant be pommed
rarity value is a case by case thing, but like
if you get the boons, youll be aight
early poms better than late poms since youre way more likely to get them on the boons youre building around
lone kernel
also go to your mirror and max out dark foresight on the mirror (instead of god's pride)
reason being that's a net 5 to 8 good room rewards
meaning like, 3 boons 2 poms 200 gold and a heart or so
also makes underworld customs hurt less
which is a pretty easy 2 heat you should take if ur goal is 16
ok im done gl!
stone surge
thanks
wait dark foresight is the more better room rewards right
already got it maxed
mint coral
also go to your mirror and max out dark foresight on the mirror (instead of god'...
*olympian favor
pride is epic boons
lone kernel
*olympian favor
Thanks
lone kernel
Baller, I’m in elysium with this hunting blades talos build that’s kinda memes but so far so good
lone kernel
is demeter the only good fists aspect
It’s prob the strongest, but the first three all have the same core gameplay. Talos is useful for pulling dudes into casts as well
But in terms of what’s the best pick it and go fists, dem for sure
bleak karma
But in terms of what’s the best pick it and go fists, dem for sure
grandma sure is strong
feral belfry
Final rank?
I had no idea this game had ranks
Do you mean the mirror?
Nvm I googled it
There are people here with 1k+ hours so, probably
chrome wharf
Unseen ones? yeah, seen a few screencaps with that.
lone kernel
I was streaming for a buddy who wanted to see that zag bow was actually good then he peer pressured me into taking Charon fight 
also my niece called me to tell me about how she watched the first harry potter and she doesnt believe me that i grew up watching them because i mixed up Fluffy and Cerberus 
rough 20 min in hades for ol' lando
calm zenith
Why would she not believe you
Does she think they are an obscure find
Its probably still one of the highest grossing children's series.
lone kernel
Does she think they are an obscure find
6 year old logic because I called the three headed dog Cerberus and she’s like, there’s no Cerberus you haven’t seen it
lone kernel
Yep lol
dusty nacelle
Howdy everyone this is literally my favorite game ever you guys did amazing on making it!
lapis shore
Howdy everyone this is literally my favorite game ever you guys did amazing on m...
people that made the game will most likely not see your comment haha
dusty nacelle
people that made the game will most likely not see your comment haha
Thats okay they are likely fairly busy and i wont ping them
feral belfry
well blizzard shot is not good for cast builds, good to know
balmy scarab
Wdym blizzard shot is good
feral belfry
yeah nvm
It's hard in rooms
but I just beat the duo boss in like 25 seconds that was wild
slow big targets good, it's just hard to hit when people are zipping around because it's so slow
rapid forum
it's powerful, but it's slow. Enemies get hit once and then fling somewhere and prob won't get hit again. If you have killing freeze, artic blast or breaking wave, it'll make it great.
it carried me in my 32 heat poseidon sword
rapid forum
I've done that, pretty fun
lone kernel
calm zenith
Yeah Talos works well with it
lone kernel
I got smair with aphro aid I’m just memeing around lol
Going for ares broseidon duo
calm zenith
It does a ton of damage actually because the chill effect actually ticks fairly fast
The little whirlwinds that come off
The heroes are honestly easily countered
Especially non EM
You can straight overpower them with a Hunter's Mark build
Just toggle the mark between them
feral belfry
man I just lost to thanatos in the first time in like 50 runs haha
chrome wharf
nah
chrome wharf
see
peak acorn
I've come here to say that anyone who likes adamant rail is ugly thank you and goodbye
rapid forum
Understandable
modern garnet
😢
peak acorn
Also people who romance Dusa sicken me
lone kernel
To follow up on that Aphrodite’s aid convo from earlier, the Minotaur just killed Theseus for me lol
lone kernel
Selling curse of longing twice in a run
Gods legacy was kind to your ol pal Lando
Smoldering, seastorm, curse of drowning, sweet nectar, splitting bolt in one run kinda stonks
@rapid forum i've been told my casting style ("casting" used very loosely here) is sports broadcaster, idk maybe if the hermes cup is still a thing
i can commentate
real wadi
Nice
full nexus
Going fast is fun, I'd argue speedrunning a bit less
valid cipher
What are those three spots in the bottom of Skelle's room for?
chrome wharf
rewards for winning a run at 8 16 and 32 heat
valid cipher
Oh, so long ways off.
static furnace
when do i get to talk to bouldy
halcyon girder
Holy Christ Charon can kill you even if you have 80% god mode
halcyon girder
Eh a soul for a soul kinda thingy I lost one of my death defiance and he lost his card
static furnace
XD
halcyon girder
And yeah
halcyon girder
I love how zagreus could literally over throw Hades cuz he has the blessings
But cant
Cuz he can die and lose all of it
brisk trail
Yo guys, can I get some spoiler free help?
Would it be worth ||selling three of my eight ambrosia for the aspect of Guan yu||
reef zodiac
If you don’t want spoilers, this is not the channel for you. No offense
gray apex
#h1-for-new-players Is a spoiler free channel
brisk trail
That's fair enough, didn't actually see it tbh, my bad
reef zodiac
No problem
halcyon girder
My thumb hurts
Because I fought Hades 10 pact
But I got what I wanted more diamonds
bleak karma
what else can i use these diamonds for after i freed sisyphus and orpheus?
any practical uses
mint coral
Achilles quest needs it too iirc and some work orders
halcyon girder
Or just make the lounge more lounger
bleak karma
i already bought the skeleton disco ball
and i dont think achilles is letting me finish the quest soon lol
halcyon girder
How about the rat?
mint coral
The bat cage?
halcyon girder
Yeah the bat cage
I literally collected 8 diamonds for both of those
Poor lernie
I basically punched and spear him or her to death
reef zodiac
It is possible, yes. There are some asphodel rooms where it can actually be pretty hard to win
wary mural
what aspect should i unlock?
gray apex
what aspect should i unlock?
Up to your weapon preferences really
wary mural
i like all the weopens really
gray apex
pog
bleak karma
i like all the weopens really
assuming that u cant get hidden aspects yet, chiron bow is pretty good
gray apex
now you can see the whole house in one frame
wary mural
zeus shield is kinda nuts
guess what im using
bleak karma
what u using
wary mural
zues shield and ares cast equals let it rip
oh yeah special deflect on the shield throw is kinda nuts
reef zodiac
what aspect should i unlock?
Zeus shield and then hidden shield
gray apex
If you have hidden shield available you can skip Zeus shield
lone kernel
Both are pretty based
gray apex
One of them is broken
reef zodiac
If you have hidden shield available you can skip Zeus shield <:bouldy:5233291169...
Well yeah. But why would you invest titan blood into either of the other shields?
lone kernel
Well yeah. But why would you invest titan blood into either of the other shields...
charged shot
reef zodiac
And?
lone kernel
also its tempting to max zag aspects because small number
and not everyone does the math like we do here
reef zodiac
Charged Shot Zeus is better than CShot Zag or Chaos
bleak karma
charged shot beo is better than all of those
reef zodiac
Ofc
I am aware
I got my sub 7 and my first 50 heat with Charged Shot Beowulf. It’s busted
lone kernel
If I have yarn of Ariadne and exclusive access, will I get heroic boons offered? I imagine it would try to offer legendaries and duos
gray apex
If I have yarn of Ariadne and exclusive access, will I get heroic boons offered?...
No and no
lone kernel
I got three duos offered on it yesterday under those circumstances so wanna see how it works lol
gray apex
Exclusive access itself doesnt increase the chances for Duos and Legendaries
So it's the Yarn and just rng
Or you might've had other stuff
Chaos Favor / God's Legacy
Miniboss
lone kernel
I did have chaos favor and also yarn
reef zodiac
You have a sub7?
6:45
It was a fluke. PB by 45 seconds. Doubt I’ll ever get a run that good again
devout terrace
what are you struggling with
reef zodiac
Though I do plan to do some more runs soon perhaps, just need to max out this new file on PS5
bitter spoke
coz using keyboard and mouse with only wasd is really tough
devout terrace
Turn off aim at cursor for rail
reef zodiac
Submitted?
Not recorded
bitter spoke
and i dont have a controller right now and i need to keep borrowing it from a friend
gray apex
rip
lone kernel
It’s worth buying a knockoff PlayStation controller for like $20
You don’t need it to be the Xbox elite
devout terrace
Its just something you have to deal with, main thing is turn off aim at cursor for rail and fists
Look at the bright side tho
Rail special, triple bomb, cluster, trippy
reef zodiac
Look at the bright side tho
Achilles special is actually good?
devout terrace
Are all great to aim on kbm
bitter spoke
It’s worth buying a knockoff PlayStation controller for like $20
yeah but im just a kid so my parents wont let me buy a controller after buying this game so soon