yeah the extra damage you get after so many runs
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
lone kernel
yeah once you die that goes away
it's more or less a boon
like you can get a % damage attack buff and a chaos one it stacks
sad fo2 noises
fored overtime
20/40% faster bad guys
devout terrace
You guys turn that off?
FO hitless 
lone kernel
You guys turn that off?
Im still at the level where I turn it off for weapons I don’t feel good at
gray apex
Same
balmy scarab
So I just found out that skelly has dialogue if you attack his statues
Kinda interesting didn’t know that
He says stuff like you’re killing me pal and hey watch it
And some other stuff I forgot
full nexus
First two levels of tight deadline
full nexus
nah not ap
devout terrace
🗿
chrome wharf
Can't get hit for 50 health if you're on HC GY and only have 25 anyway *taps head
lone kernel
Can't get hit for 50 health if you're on HC GY and only have 25 anyway *taps hea...
if you dont get hit you only need one hp
chad -24 max hp chaos curse
chrome wharf
do you know that if you get Chaos-d to 1HP, DD and SD heal 100% of your health? game breaking glitch, don't tell the devs
full nexus
signal aspen
what is hades and gilgamesh doing in s tier
lone kernel
https://imgur.com/a/blbuRl0
Zag bow is super based
twin thistle
https://imgur.com/a/blbuRl0
lone kernel
chrome reef
what is hades and gilgamesh doing in s tier
haha spin go brrrrrrrrrrrr
Also Gilgamesh fists with Posiedon makes Styx a cakewalk
twin thistle
it looks like you just randomized everything
chrome reef
Ill take that as a compliment
signal aspen
zag sword above poseidon 
twin thistle
nem and zag sword same tier
signal aspen
talos above demeter
chrome reef
talos above demeter <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Thats a genuine mistake oops
twin thistle
chiron 5 tiers over zag bow
gray apex
https://imgur.com/a/blbuRl0
You've got a lot to learn
chrome reef
You've got a lot to learn <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
I mean it working for me
twin thistle
ive done a lot more chiron than you have
chrome reef
Thats probably true
twin thistle
every aspect prolly
chrome reef
Thats also prolly true
I dont have THAT many hours
Like, 170?
173
Still relatively new compared to what ive seen on reddit
gray apex
The reddit gamers come from another dimension
raw herald
Idk man
chrome reef
gray apex
twin thistle
gray apex
lmao
twin thistle
not much of a difference
chrome reef
No not really
signal aspen
twin thistle
any shield should be at least great tbh
also why is zag sword great
and hestia tied with zag rail
and zag sword
raw herald
Hestia best rail
chrome reef
As for zag sword
chrome reef
I got a lightning strike + splitting bolt + artemis dash + daedalus double strike + pressure points + greatest reflex run
Basically walked through elysium and styx
chrome reef
Well, I originally got that build on Nemesis
But then I thought "huh, maybe increased attack speed would be good"
And it was
marble badge
What exactly are these being ranked by
chrome reef
My general experience
I usually like to make it sound like these opinions are objective when I make tier lists for other games
but no, this is not objective at all
This is just my experience 173 hours in
marble badge
Makes sense
devout terrace
But then I thought "huh, maybe increased attack speed would be good"
Were you dash striking?
chrome reef
Were you dash striking?
yes
devout terrace
Attack speed doesn't apply to those
chrome reef
What is a placebo
devout terrace
Like giving fake pills to a patient
devout terrace
chrome reef
twin thistle
idk ranking for like 50 heat or something still kinda bad https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/919667951290970212/chrome_screenshot_1639336298186.png
chrome reef
so whats the issue with gilgamesh
twin thistle
trash dashes
brisk trail
Stinky
chrome reef
What I usually did was
twin thistle
i know how to build dash gilga
chrome reef
Aphrodite special and Artemis dash attack
chrome reef
i know how to build dash gilga
Im not trying to teach at all lmao
lament night
idk ranking for like 50 heat or something <:bouldy:523329116934635534> still kin...
zeus shield is ss tier
chrome reef
Just saying what I do
gray apex
idk ranking for like 50 heat or something <:bouldy:523329116934635534> still kin...
Hera really
twin thistle
also this is a random 50 heat ranking
brisk trail
gilga is just horribly unsafe and doesnt do enough dmg to back itself up
twin thistle
tbh hera 50 wasnt that hard
twin thistle
if no quick reload its just zag bow
gray apex
The aspect is hard af
marble badge
I feel like you're making certain assumptions here if you're putting zag and chaos shield in A
devout terrace
idk ranking for like 50 heat or something <:bouldy:523329116934635534> still kin...
Based
How is chaos and hades so far up
gray apex
Chaos because of FA
twin thistle
^
devout terrace
Hera is atrocious without a zag bow strat
twin thistle
em4 fa chaos strat massive brain
devout terrace
🍎 🦶
lament night
I feel like you're making certain assumptions here if you're putting zag and cha...
yea that shield is best weapon in the game
twin thistle
hey ive done only 1 50 heat with most of these aspects except chaos
so disclaimer the tier list is bad
gray apex
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Nemesis sword" that's going on in the Hades speedrunning community right now. Arthur deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine King in Brittain for 2,400,000 Pounds (that's about $3 305 472) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my Arthur.
Brittish royalty will spend years working on a single heir and mate up to a million times to produce the finest rulers known to mankind.
Arthurs are thrice as sharp as Nemesis swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a Nemesis sword can cut through, an Arthur can cut through better. I'm pretty sure an Arthur could easily bisect a Hades wearing DC2 with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why Greece never bothered conquering Brittain? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined rulers and their heirs of destruction. Even in World War II, German soldiers targeted the men with the with crowns first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Arthur is simply the best sword that the game has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the hades system. Here is the stat block I propose for Arthur:
WR in any heat: 4:20
Average run time IGT: 6:09
Average RTA run: 12:02
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Arthurs in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Arthur needs to go faster in Hades, see my new time block.
feral belfry
devout terrace
Zag Shield isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw an aspect with such damage and style? Zag shield puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an aspect with it's style and power again. Beowulf breaks records. Zeus breaks records. Zag Shields breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
gray apex
idk anymore
devout terrace
Theres a couple
gray apex
We need Ocaml to make a Rama one
devout terrace
It does exist
twin thistle
marble badge
No thanks
devout terrace
Chiron prodigy? Are you kidding me? The weapon has auto-aim on it, in a game which already has the most oppressive auto aim in the entire gaming industry (I'm a lifelong gamer, real games, none of that Nintendo stuff btw so I know what I'm talking about). It's like for babies that are born with no arms with how much just does damage for you. I'm pretty sure I could hand a controller to an eel and it could work its way to a 32 heat clear with Chiron. It literally takes negative skill to use this weapon. Supergiant clearly put it in to cater to the talentless casuals of the gaming world who sit and grovel at the feet of real gamers. I think it should be limited to God Mode, if not removed from the game altogether. It's a stain on the "high" heat community. "High" in quotes because if you use Chiron, go ahead and subtract 40 heat from the number on your screen, you deserve it.
Saying you're a "Chiron prodigy" is like saying you reached the bottom of the waterslide first. It wasn't you doing the work.
devout terrace
This one's gold
chrome reef
Chiron prodigy? Are you kidding me? The weapon has auto-aim on it, in a game whi...
Facts
All of this
mint coral
We also have at least 1 copypasta of divine dash no?
twin thistle
chrome reef
Oh god
devout terrace
Not just one dear boy
full nexus
Lmao
devout terrace
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.
I am absolutely flummoxed, as an individual who has bested within the range of 10 runs on the heat setting of 40, I will regularly claim the boon divine dash with the utmost consistency. With the exception of when my current selection of obtained boons depends on a dash of some other kind to prosper, Divine Dash is of pristine quality under all circumstances, with all forms of weaponry, and is clearly and utterly magnificent. I express my solidarity with the expression of opinion above my own that a score of 8.5 is quite perplexing for a dash that thoroughly outperforms its alternatives
full nexus
TFW you thought you were a Chiron Prodigy
chrome reef
I honestly like Hyper Sprint more than Divine Dash
devout terrace
British version
twin thistle
devout terrace
A bit perplexed as to why Curse of Drowning is ranked higher than Curse of Longing when the latter is a pretty good way to keep Privileged Status on for at least 3 seconds minimum - in fact Drowning is so annoying when trying to spec for Flood Shot and Ares boons pop up
gray apex
Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally al...
when you first sent that I thought you wrote it
devout terrace
Im not that cool
devout terrace
feral belfry
Snap
brisk trail
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
twin thistle
pls dont tell me someone unironically posted this on reddit
brisk trail
no I just pulled this out of my butt tbh
chrome reef
Is Rama actually considered bad?
twin thistle
brisk trail
no thats the joke
marble badge
no
twin thistle
its one of the best aspects
devout terrace
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
Lmao I saw you typing for a while
Nice one
twin thistle
ocaml somehow has a sub 8 50 heat with rama wasnt it
marble badge
yes
brisk trail
mint coral
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
Just the mention of repulse shot makes it so fun
devout terrace
Im gonna post this when I do 55 special only
chrome reef
So whats so special about 32 heat?
brisk trail
sexy skelly statue as reward
brisk trail
yeah
chrome reef
sigh
devout terrace
Totally worth it
brisk trail
although sexy may be in the eye of the beholder
devout terrace
People are like: I bought this game for than because I love him so much
Me a skelly enjoyer:
bitter rover
what's wrong boyo? don't find my likings appealing?
lone kernel
although sexy may be in the eye of the beholder
skelly is a stud
high island
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
That point is fair, though.
brisk trail
dry flame
how to unlock artemis heart lock?
high island
Easy. You just gift all your Nectar and Ambrosia to Lady Aphrodite. 
high island
Are you sure, though? She seems to much rather spend time with Callisto than talk to you.
bitter rover
Easy. You just gift all your Nectar and Ambrosia to Lady Aphrodite. <:courte5Aph...
you do know she's married, right?
devout terrace
Married to
lone kernel
🐊
high island
Of course I know such things. You're talking to the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite.
feral belfry
I bought the game for bouldy
high island
I know.
fast plover
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
is this a copypasta
calm zenith
Probably
Special only can be unironically way better than it first seems
Usually you need a really good double strike
brisk trail
is it rly a copypasta if I just made it up
twin thistle
Usually you need a really good double strike
clearly rama is best built with artemis special
high island
https://imgur.com/a/JCuAZcS
Why doesn't his HP go down?
bitter rover
ok people
calm zenith
It's better than I expected
bitter rover
rank sisyphus, erudydice and patroclus rewards
calm zenith
Those 25 damage special hits sure add up
full nexus
https://imgur.com/a/JCuAZcS
Ok you made me sad
chrome wharf
rank sisyphus, erudydice and patroclus rewards
Pat is the one we can't live without
lone kernel
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
@brisk trail and now it is a copypasta
brisk trail
chrome wharf
unaruably
feral belfry
devout terrace
rank sisyphus, erudydice and patroclus rewards
Pat>eury>bouldy
Top option from patty is just insane
Its a run saver on dds and SD
Buttom reward is great for going fast
Middle is good if you have 2 dds ish but high confidence is not active due to low hp
lone kernel
Same as a regular one with harder bosses
bitter rover
Pat>eury>bouldy
and what do you pick from Eurydice
devout terrace
Very subjective
Ambrosia is almost never correct if you have more than 4 boons
Nectar is good if you havent seen hermes yet, since +2 dashes/rush delivery+hyper sprint is huge
Poms are generally good if not running a crit build, or anything with bad pom scaling
feral belfry
Oh I thought eury was better than pat
devout terrace
Eury is nice to have, but patty becomes almost essential on super high heat+EM4
devout terrace
Mostly the +50% SD heal
feral belfry
Oh
devout terrace
Damage boost from patty is probably the riskiest thing you can do at those heats, but its necessary sometimes if you are timing out
bitter rover
when is it good to use stubborn defiance
devout terrace
when is it good to use stubborn defiance
Allows you to take lasting consequences 4
probably 32+
bitter rover
Damage boost from patty is probably the riskiest thing you can do at those heats...
I've been using that lately but because i do low heat
high island
`unaruably`
This will live on forever now.
devout terrace
I've been using that lately but because i do low heat
That's fair
Theres also weapons that just dont benefit from attack damage too much
high island
Charon has a shotgun.
devout terrace
Like fists or non hestia rail
empty pelican
charon steals all your money and taunts you
bitter rover
Charon has a shotgun.
nowadays charon definitely has a shotgun
high island
With infinite ammo.
devout terrace
bitter rover
hhhhraaaagh!
calm zenith
Nectar is usually a good choice from Eurydice
Try to get it to hit Hermes or a potential duo boon
Sets you up nice for Elysium on
high island
How about this Charon EM idea: after Charon phases, he doesn't drop his invulnerability shield and keeps fighting you.
balmy scarab
Y’all I just did an afk hades fight and won 😎
Only took two attempts not counting me intentionally killing myself cause I started with a hammer
Ik it’s been done before but I wanted to try it
high island
Y’all I just did an afk hades fight and won 😎
How do you know you won and he didn't just leave because you were afk and he got bored?
balmy scarab
Well I mean I saw him drop to his knees and dip
But honestly wouldn’t have been unlike him lol
high island
I beat Hades afk all the time because I play on pad. 
bitter rover
nowadays every game has a punch out boss
I'm surprised you dont punch out charon
or dad
calm zenith
I've beat Hades afk over 300 times
bitter rover
I've beat Hades afk over 300 times
you just let it run the whole night while you sleep
high island
Cats have proven being asleep doesn't necessarily mean being afk.
high island
How long?
Some people also claim being afk doesn't necessarily mean being asleep.
But I don't believe it.
Why else would you be afk?
balmy scarab
So I’ve just stuck skelly next to the Tartarus landscape area and now I think he’s stuck there unless I leave lol
Hope he enjoys the view
feral belfry
lone kernel
How about this Charon EM idea: after Charon phases, he doesn't drop his invulner...
Em5: hades summons Charon and asterius and you aren’t allowed to dash
feral belfry
EM 5 is dad steals your boons and gets the benefits
mint coral
i dont think hades would make a pact to force himself to use the other olympians blessings lol
chrome wharf
EM5 is mom and dad tag team, Persephone makes vine traps that stop your dashes, and has a move where it's like EM4 Cerb, but a random boon gets removed every time you get hit by it
lone kernel
Em5 is after you battle through Greece in modern times and have to fight the hard mode version of like, an at at or something
chrome wharf
at at?
lone kernel
Star Wars, I got my wires crossed because I was answering a thing from my squadrons discord on a different screen. Kind of a problem ngl
chrome wharf
are they a kind of spaceship or something
high island
EM5 is mom and dad tag team, Persephone makes vine traps that stop your dashes, ...
EM5:
Zagreus: leaves his room into the courtyard
Queen Persephone: "Zagreus!"
Zagreus: "Yes, mother?"
Queen Persephone: "You're not going outside until you've cleaned your room!"
Zagreus: "I... ugh..."
dunnn dunnn dun-dunnnn
chrome wharf
omg room tidying minigame
also hot take but by my standards his room is pristine since more than half the floor space is actually visible
high island
I agree.
chrome wharf
Is Zag's death the violent kind or the one where he graudally sinks into the Styx in despair
high island
Yes.
dusk turtle
man the game is making me make tough choices rn
I have 3 paths in Asphodel
so I can go to Hermes encounter, Posiedon/Demeter trial, or Eurydice
high island
What's your build now?
dusk turtle
I'm using Arthur, but I already got the faster attack speed boon from Hermes
anyways I just fat fingered the button to enter Eurydice's house so it doesn't matter lol
lone kernel
Free room is never wrong choice
empty pelican
quick question, I want to get the platinum trophy for Hades, what did everybody think was the hardest achievements to unlock? I imagine max ranking each standard keepsake will be the most annoying
feral belfry
That one isn't hard but more time consuming, though you could grind it out pretty quick doing speed runs
I'm trying to figure out how to get Bad Call
Maybe Poseidon's boon to take damage to increase the call meter
empty pelican
That one isn't hard but more time consuming, though you could grind it out prett...
well yeah, I meant moreso "annoying" than hard with that one
most if not all of the trophies seem like they'd be more time consuming than hard
feral belfry
30% on butterfly could be hard if you get hit a lot
empty pelican
getting 50 different Daedalus hammer enchantments might be annoying because I basically only use shield and bow, I have 11 on both respectively, 0 on the rail and 1 on every other weapon
guess I'll start using more variety too
empty pelican
getting 50 different Daedalus hammer enchantments might be annoying because I ba...
wins that is, if it wasn't obvious
high island
I'm trying to figure out how to get Bad Call
Just stand on magma to fill god gauge. 
feral belfry
This I need to try
high island
I unlocked most achievements immediately when they added them, so no clue which might be hard.
I guess you can look at how common the achievements are.
empty pelican
yeah I just had a look and the most annoying will probably be max ranking keepsakes, 50 different Daedalus hammers, lambent plume one and pierced butterfly one
it really depends what it means by clearing a room fast tbh, what's the time limit
full nexus
max keepsake was my last
devout terrace
max keepsake is just a grind
empty pelican
easy, sure, but time consuming
full nexus
easy, sure, but time consuming
I've lost this concept since I'm around 900 hours 
feral belfry
That's a good question
gray apex
devout terrace
I imagine 3% right?
2% per room
feral belfry
Oh that's not bad
high island
yeah I just had a look and the most annoying will probably be max ranking keepsa...
'Tis not annoying if you're having fun.
devout terrace
on my no hit run it goes up to 50% after killing dad 
high island
Focus on the journey.
empty pelican
that's 15 rooms without taking damage, can't imagine it'd be too hard
devout terrace
it doesnt count styx tunnel rooms, only the actual big encounters there
empty pelican
I'll just use shield
high island
Yeah, use Hestia.
feral belfry
I have most of the keepsakes maxed from just playing and I'm under 100 hours
Just have the 4 that I never use
gray apex
Guan yu for real gamers
empty pelican
Yeah, use Hestia.
why's that better than shield? I thought Beowulf would be best because of the area it defends from
idk I've never used hestia
devout terrace
hestia is very long range
feral belfry
Pew pew from long distance
empty pelican
I see
devout terrace
also because of actual no hit rules, but that shouldnt concern you
gray apex
No hit rules:
- don’t get hit
- use em4
empty pelican
also because of actual no hit rules, but that shouldnt concern you
does not concern me, yes, but I am interested now
devout terrace
hehe
feral belfry
Imagine getting hit 1 on 3rd phase dad
devout terrace
basically you cant use shield, cant do deflects, cant use dodge, cant use invulnerability calls, cant go into a chaos gate without the egg keepsake
empty pelican
basically you cant use shield, cant do deflects, cant use dodge, cant use invuln...
maybe I'm just too alpha to understand or something but these rules just seem stupid
devout terrace
empty pelican
can't even use dodge smh
gray apex
They’re hardcore
marble badge
they are arbitrary yes
feral belfry
They're optional rules lol
full nexus
not getting hit feels wrong tbh
gray apex
What
full nexus
well you can dodge
with a dash
not with dodge
yeah that was confusing
otherwise it would be pretty hard indeed
feral belfry
Ez
marble badge
ye
devout terrace
yeah sure
gray apex
Bullrush with a shield
marble badge
run the eris route
devout terrace
lol
devout terrace
remember when https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/878683908215013376/unknown.png
feral belfry
Fresh file, run 1, no hit no dash clear
devout terrace
gray apex
Some Eris rail knockoff
devout terrace
rail aspect
gray apex
Yes
feral belfry
feral belfry
Skelly is a greater threat than zag
wind steeple
i just tried the theseus fight with extreme measures 
hidden cape
It wasn't to bad when I did it
Only lasts til he's at a certain % than he loses the chariot
copper bobcat
Is it recommended only to fight Charon in Elysian
I think 93 HP GY will clap my ass
feral belfry
👏
wind steeple
Only lasts til he's at a certain % than he loses the chariot
yeah yuh
wasn't that bad
i beat him
hidden cape
@copper bobcat on gy nah
I tried it and basicly threw my win streak lol on GY and my first time trying him
gray apex
Idk about that
copper bobcat
PR’d with GY only one revive lost
Broke spear point is quite pog
Especially if you get hit by an urn and Hades tries to wombo combo you
Or if you get hit by lasers
And the poison
It’s like spear was made for Hades lol
bitter rover
i love skelly
imo
charon fight is a meme
and if you're not doing it for quests or progress then it's a waste of time
copper bobcat
How do you deal with the Charon slashes
Mf really likes smashing me with those
Also win streaks don’t matter right? I’d like to feed Meg her last ambrosia and she’s not here
bitter rover
i just won for the first time
copper bobcat
Gz!
bitter rover
for maxing her friendship or what
copper bobcat
Yeah
bitter rover
and as for charon
i won because i had funny divine dash
but probably just stay away
copper bobcat
So I can use batte during Hades
bitter rover
and use casts or ranged
copper bobcat
Fair
bitter rover
as for meg
copper bobcat
I have beaten Charon in Tart but had to revive multiple times
bitter rover
i swear she hides when you're giving ambrosia
copper bobcat
True
bitter rover
just keep playing
i maxed her asap because im in love with her
I'm just missing hypnos now
bitter rover
there's a convo between dusa and zag about that actually
feral belfry
What do they say
bitter rover
||hades raised zagreus to speak that way||
feral belfry
Well at least they addressed it Haha
mint coral
rocket
lapis shore
Why is zag British
Cuz the director who plays him is
The guy who voices zag is the best one out of the dev team at the game
lapis shore
Rocket bomb on Eris?
Rocket with any special enhancers is bonkers
compact spear
which is better to get first, Contractor 2.0 or admin privileges
copper bobcat
Zeus shield Charon was not the play in tart
feral belfry
Rip
vague sedge
how do people even get 10 min times 😭
runic parrot
endless repetition and training
and a healthy appreciation for when free rooms show up
real wadi
Is there a limit to how many different gods you can have boons from
bitter rover
Is there a limit to how many different gods you can have boons from
game will make you pick up to four and hermes
real wadi
But i can force a fifth one with a keepsake right?
feral belfry
Yes
real wadi
Alright thanks
feral belfry
It'll just dilute your pool a bit
bitter rover
if you're fishing for duos it might give you a harder time
runic parrot
family favourite gaming
bitter rover
generally if i don't want a god i avoid that one in tartarus
and don't buy mystery sacks in tart
copper bobcat
Is Ares useful on attack
bitter rover
I'm too much of a coward to not use the acorn
bitter rover
Is Ares useful on attack
which weapon
copper bobcat
Zeus shield
Lmfao thunder flourish with jolt and double lightning decimates Meg
I just say there blocking everything and she just melted
Sat
bitter rover
maybe? probably better for the special, don't take my word on it, but i wouldn't do ares, personally
copper bobcat
Maybe Demeter then
runic parrot
ares attack is good on fists
bitter rover
i think their duo boon is for casts right
copper bobcat
Oh
bitter rover
you have Zeus on the special I'm guessing
runic parrot
id just get more zeus boons
copper bobcat
For attack?
copper bobcat
Oh mono Zeus
runic parrot
i mostly just use whatever for the attack and zeus for everything else
bitter rover
actually artemis is good on attack
i would do artemis or aphro
Start with Zeus on special. It works exactly how you’d like, dropping a bolt on every special tick. Scale up with poms, more Zeus, Pressure Points & Hunter’s Mark, or whatever you can manage to do with your attack while the shield is out.
from a guide
tbh artemis is rarely a bad option
runic parrot
plus she opens up hunters mark
copper bobcat
Yeah going Arty
bitter rover
don't forget to max her hearts
copper bobcat
Gonna lean into Zeus heavily
bitter rover
why? just because she's cool
copper bobcat
Secondly does Hermes attack speed increase how fast I can get bull rush up
I think I’ve noticed it but maybe I conflated it with a Daedalus boost
maiden arch
is 3 duo boons and a legendary boon in one run good?
bitter rover
got artemis on the second room and poseidon on the third
bitter rover
is 3 duo boons and a legendary boon in one run good?
depends if you use them right
maiden arch
i did i won with ease
maiden arch
i just wanted to know if that is a rare occurance
feral belfry
Yeah it's pretty rare
copper bobcat
Running a special with everything invested
feral belfry
I love splitting bolt if you dont have a cast build going
copper bobcat
LMFAO the zeus shield proc instantly pushed Lernie to second phase
This is cracked
maiden arch
is greater recall good on apsect of beowulf
feral belfry
Er sorry I meant to say lighting rod
bitter rover
is greater recall good on apsect of beowulf
that's the one that makes you pick up your casts again right
mint coral
is greater recall good on apsect of beowulf
Unless you are using plume you cant get it
And also you are dragon rushing next to enemies, so pick up is easy
maiden arch
can you only get 2 daedalus hammers
mint coral
Normally yes
feral belfry
Lighting rod is great
maiden arch
but like the anvil is like a third right?
mint coral
Ye
feral belfry
Yeah RNG tho
mint coral
Or 2 if you only got 1 hammer lol
feral belfry
It's good if your two hammers suck
maiden arch
why
copper bobcat
Big brain Theseus strat: loosen the Zeus shield special and camp near him with shield@up
Mans just dies
Got Demeter Theseus and still clapped him
compact spear
why bother with that when you can just spam them to death with bouncy doom shield
charred hemlock
Vengeful mood with curse of vengeance + holy shield and Merciful End do they work together
copper bobcat
The weakness here was arty making my shield so no damage
Should’ve gone for Aphro or Athena tbh
I beat him because thunder flourish deleted Hades
twin thistle
Vengeful mood with curse of vengeance + holy shield and Merciful End do they wor...
yeah but you have to be pretty close
charred hemlock
OK i knew it had to be like that
charred hemlock
u have to get lucky on those chaos boons
maiden arch
i am just watch all the ghosts get absolutely denied by hades
copper bobcat
How do you fight Tartarus Charon
charred hemlock
have a good build
copper bobcat
Bro snouldering air with Zeus call deleted hades
I destroyed his last 30% in a single frame with Bette and Zeus call
No revives used and I had crap rng with Zeus
I got my first Zeus boon in Tart and then my next one was in Charon Pheglethon
The next one was in Styx…
I was able to force refills to get static discharge and double lightning
Deleted Hades after that
copper bobcat
Also: Dionysus or Demeter with Chiron
Just got the +4 shot upgrade
I have 10 shots in total now
Wait
Zeus special would hit 10 times wouldn’t it…
lone kernel
Zeus special would hit 10 times wouldn’t it…
it has a cooldown, i think itll hit between 2 to 4 times depending on spacing, how many arrows u have tc. Zeus special on Zeus aspect though is absolutely poggers and can almost hard carry you
copper bobcat
For Chiron or Zeus bow?
lone kernel
For Chiron or Zeus bow?
Zeus aspect is a shield, Chiron Zeus bow can work but it’s not as good as you think it is
lone kernel
Zeus special has a cool down of like .2seconds
copper bobcat
Zeus aspect is a shield, Chiron Zeus bow can work but it’s not as good as you th...
I tried this earlier, just camped all the bosses
While the special did work
lone kernel
So if all your specials hit in the same .5 second window, you get only 2 bolts
copper bobcat
Chiron with Zeus special with no cool down would have been the most broken thing in the game
lone kernel
copper bobcat
I don’t think anything would come@close to that
lone kernel
Chiron with Zeus special with no cool down would have been the most broken thing...
Smair, Zeus call, double strike is insanely strong
But yeah that would be nifty haha
copper bobcat
Hm I’ll go for it second, I got super lucky in Tartarus and picked up both Athena dash and trap with Aphro keepsake
After Demeter *
lone kernel
Based
twin thistle
Chiron with Zeus special with no cool down would have been the most broken thing...
well if zeus special had no cooldown, rama would prolly be better
higher firerate and bouncy
you get a couple less arrows but relentless makes the difference not as much
bleak karma
full palpatine
the senate build
calm zenith
Doesnt Zeus shield have an attack rate of 0.2 seconds?
Perfect for bolts
Just get a good double strike
Pom it a good bit
Get your special bolts to like 60-80 dmg
calm zenith
Artemis on Zeus special?
You can theoretically have Zeus shield out for an entire room
So idk why it would be limited to 2 per release
twin thistle
uh theres like some cursed interaction with zeus shield where double strike will pretty much stop giving extra bolts after the first few consecutive hits cuz of funny cooldowns being weird
marble badge
? zeus special on zeus shield is fantastic
calm zenith
Yeah I've never seen this cursed interaction
twin thistle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/919817714317545482/unknown.jpeg something something something
marble badge
double strike or not idk where this suggestion to use artemis over it is coming from
twin thistle
maybe support fire idk
real wadi
Dusa rejected me 😢
twin thistle
well double strike is a prereq for splitting bolt anyways
calm zenith
You can just get that anyway though
twin thistle
also it still affects jolted
chrome wharf
you take Artemis special if you want to do heart rend
chrome wharf
it's alright
lapis shore
I think I just pooped on my run
chrome wharf
oh no
lapis shore
I replaced dionysus hangover on attack with artemis crit
1st bad choice
2nd bad choice, using the daedulus anvil in styx
It gave me horrible buffs
Making my special be able to kill me
reef zodiac
You can theoretically have Zeus shield out for an entire room
Wait you mean Zeus shield? Nvm I’m stupid
I thought we were talking about Chiron
My bad
I’m literally using Zeus shield with Zeus special right now
lapis shore
Yea that run was doomed from the minute I picked artemis special
That really really blows
Waste of 30 mins of my life
The gun freaking suckssss
reef zodiac
It does not lmao
lapis shore
I'm just not a fan of it
How it is on Xbox anyway, im constantly using my call because the buttons are so funky
And its only with the stupid gun
reef zodiac
You’re not a fan of it. Doesn’t mean it sucks. But ok
lapis shore
Just seems like the worst wep to me
twin thistle
it can be more difficult to use but doesnt make it bad
rail and shield are arguably the best base weapons
for the rail first of all you want zeus or dio attack
it also helps to move reload to a less crappy button
versed mason
theres a lot to learn with the rail thats for sure
reef zodiac
I’m on win 15 and I just now finally got the codex
reef zodiac
Just seems like the worst wep to me
It’s definitely no worse than third best. But probably it’s second, or tied with shield for first.
rail is really good
balmy scarab
Rail is the best weapon in terms of speedrunning/damage
Don’t worry I didn’t really like the rail at first but the more you use it the more you get used to it
bitter rover
2nd bad choice, using the daedulus anvil in styx
I've only used the anvil in times where both of my hammers are awful
and even then it's a gamble because they can be worse
bitter rover
it's a gamble
lapis shore
Harsh way to learn
bitter rover
it could very well give you the top 2 hammers
chrome wharf
You take it if you have 2 meh hammers and there isn't a hammer that will majorly screw up your run
or just want to taunt fate
lapis shore
If poseidon isn't in the run, im kinda screwed ngl
reef zodiac
Rail is the best weapon in terms of speedrunning/damage
Tell that to every single wr beside 50 heat belonging to Beowulf
chrome wharf
what does that sentence even mean
twin thistle
when achilles
marble badge
(modded anyheat is Achilles)
reef zodiac
Oh well ok, I only meant unmodded
I don’t look at modded categories on SRC (no disrespect to modded runners)
Still, my point stands. Especially because rail actually has no speedrun world record that I know of
devout terrace
twin thistle
its bugged to oblivion and does stupid damage
reef zodiac
its bugged to oblivion and does stupid damage <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Even without the bugs it’s still busted for high heat
gray apex
lol
bitter rover
What makes Beowulf really good? Haven’t used it yet
you load your casts to it, and cast builds can get really powerful
think of hera but more aggressive because the shield does more dmg
hera is like a weaker beowulf actually
there's a hammer that essentially turns beowulf into hera
devout terrace
smol cast <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Just beat 54 EM4 on smol cast
devout terrace
Get rare crop in styx
lapis shore
I gotta stop doing the trap heat
lapis shore
Alright, 5 cheat deaths on dad
Also wtf just happend, I brought the rail with lucifer aspect to the surface and some weird crap happend
Oh and I guess I'm not fighting him this time
twin thistle
Also wtf just happend, I brought the rail with lucifer aspect to the surface and...
just a thing that happens eith every hidden aspect
lapis shore
Gotcha, I guess the 10th time u get to hades u dont fight him
Finally hit the credits
Gah the music in this game is top notch
reef zodiac
smol cast <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
That bug makes me so mad lmao
reef zodiac
I genuinely think smol icy flare is better so I dont break urns
Two questions:
- Why would you use icy flare ever?
- Why are you trying to avoid breaking urns? You mean the traps? Why is that I big enough issue that it’s worth giving up extra range.
gray apex
Two questions:
1. Why would you use icy flare ever?
2. Why are you trying to avo...
- For the memes
- Because I’m consistently breaking 3 Urns atleast in EM4 and my dmg isn’t coming from the flare anyway lmao
reef zodiac
Ohhh those urns
You’re using icy flare for EM4 HS Hades??
Bro if you do that you deserve to lose lmao
reef zodiac
God why
reef zodiac
Icy flare has got to be the second worst flare in the game
God it’s so agonizingly terrible
rapid forum
good luck 
gray apex
I mean I thought it’s like okay after playing with it for a while
reef zodiac
It has close to, if not the worst pom scaling of any cast, terrible base damage, and a worthless effect
reef zodiac
Wow
devout terrace
Do TD2 you dork
gray apex
reef zodiac
Lvl 3 Passion Flare (common) does 186 damage
Lvl 3 Icy Flare (common) does ||101||
devout terrace
5 urns lmao
gray apex
You know why
reef zodiac
That discrepancy only gets much worse at higher levels or rarities
devout terrace
I think my urn pb is like 2 or 3, and I felt terrible about that
gray apex
Because I have stubborn roots so I could’ve tanked the urn if I healed a little more
devout terrace
It usually only takes like one to screw you over badly
reef zodiac
Lvl 3 Passion Flare (common) does 186 damage
Lvl 3 Icy Flare (common) does ||101...
This same comparison at epic rarity gives the numbers 218 and 121
reef zodiac
I haven’t honestly
reef zodiac
Is it bigger than zag flare?
rapid forum
somewhat
reef zodiac
Isn’t flood flare AOE pretty good actually?
bitter rover
i suffered 3 chambers with 20 health on Elysium until i lost my dd
raw herald
Icy flare feels bigger than it actually is
bitter rover
then i remembered I'm carrying shady
gray apex
Yea the animation makes it feel bigger
Cgull said they’re the same in game files I think
bitter rover
i need to learn to use shady more
gray apex
My to-do list is
Icy flare 50 EM4
Thunder flare 50 EM4
RI3 50 EM4
Pretty good tbh
Too lazy tho
rapid forum
Where's Slicing flare?
vapid narwhal
no crystal clarity 50 EM4 pls
rapid forum
good choice
gray apex
Retrash did that
Gotta keep the to-do list short
It’s not like I’m doing any of them actively
empty pelican
does shared suffering count as a status effect for that one mirror upgrade
gray apex
No
empty pelican
damn
runic parrot
priv status is only activated from boon-related status effects
bitter rover
saving this for later because i just finished the gy upgrades
bitter rover
i hope so
i like the spear
it's still my most used weapon despite I've moved to bow and rail lately
gray apex
Posiden
midnight gate
Posiden
reef zodiac
Is this based off their character or their boons?
runic parrot
i take personal offence to this
twin thistle
whats the rating based on
reef zodiac
If it’s based on character then it’s 100% subjective. If it’s based on boons then it’s still subjective but… less so? Idk
bitter rover
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> whats the rating based on
op said based on the most useful for aggressive/practical
bitter rover
posiden
twin thistle
hades reddit
gray apex
Lol
high island
hades reddit
Q: Tips for Heat 32 with Sword and Fists?
First answer I read: Gilgamesh fists.
reef zodiac
Q: Tips for Heat 32 with Sword and Fists?
First answer I read: Gilgamesh fists.
LMAO yikes
Hades Reddit is a weird place
They also seem to all have this obsession with Privileged Status
high island
Privileged Status works well in a lot of builds that aren't speedrun nor high heat meta.
gray apex
As long as you don’t try to argue with them
high island
It's just in the nature of forums like reddit, I guess.
gray apex
Yea I think so too
bitter rover
do your dash rank list
high island
On Discord, discussion is a lot more... live, and you can quickly join in and clear up misconceptions etc.
And you can more readily get a sense of who knows what they're talking about.
reef zodiac
Privileged Status works well in a lot of builds that aren't speedrun nor high he...
Well yeah, it’s not even bad. But people will be like “yeah this boon isn’t very good but it actually help with PStatus which means it actually is good” which is very flawed logic
high island
I dunno why some people who clearly don't have a lot of experience make replies on reddit with an authoritative tone like they totally figured out the best strategy. They don't really do that on Discord, and when they do, they're very quickly set straight by pointing out all the issues with their strategy by more experienced players.
It's the same with the Street Fighter V reddit vs SFV Discords etc.
reef zodiac
Discord is just a better way to talk about a game
Especially if you need help with specific things
high island
Yeah. Even when I don't know something, I can ping somebody who I know can help. Can't really do anything like that on reddit.
gray apex
It’s the same for other games I’ve played too
Reddit is just like that for some reason
Discord 2gud
bitter rover
Discord is just a better way to talk about a game
kind of harder to navigate though
wish we had a build guide channel just to dump them there
high island
I find reddit much harder to navigate to get to any actually decent discussion.
brisk trail
I def saw this on fighting game reddits a lot
bitter rover
not for discussion but for record keeping forums (especially more traditional ones than reddit) are much better
high island
The Hades reddit was better when it was still a lot smaller during Early Access.
brisk trail
I always feel like its more of a fanart and fandom platform than for strategies or something
its good to find funni memes :)
bitter rover
its good to find funni memes :)
white margin with black impact font size 20, bold, centered: 5 obol
breaking bad gif of huell laying down on money, 2.5x speed
high island
She said funni.
high island
Nope.
bitter rover
is that a hammer
maiden arch
is suport fire is a better option?
maiden arch
hide breacker
high island
Passion Flare, Flood Flare, and Trippy Flare are the Casts you want on Beowulf.
maiden arch
but i got no other crit effects
high island
Where are you now into the run?
bitter rover
probably reroll for attack
maiden arch
half way through lava land
maiden arch
so do i sell it later tho
high island
Get poms on it asap.
brisk trail
you should take a cast at the start of your run for beo
but now you gotta dmg control
high island
Yeah.
maiden arch
but now you gotta dmg control
what does this mean
bitter rover
have you been loading your casts
maiden arch
have you been loading your casts
ofc
bitter rover
to the shield
brisk trail
damage control means making the best out of an already not ideal situation
reef zodiac
you should take a cast at the start of your run for beo
Speaking of which, I just made a spreadsheet comparing every Beo flare at different rarities and levels. Should I send that here?
gray apex
Why not
reef zodiac
maiden arch
damn
reef zodiac
Trippy Flare is absurd though. Downside is also very substantial. But also I know you’re just saying that because Aphrodite so there’s really no use it debating it
high island
m not "just" saying it.
reef zodiac
But man, trippy flare really is absurd
high island
It's obvious her boons are the best.
reef zodiac
well….
gray apex
Usually I wanna see aphro one time in a run and never again
reef zodiac
Yep
high island
But man, trippy flare really is absurd
Absurdly bad at having only 1 Cast every 3 seconds or 3 Casts that take forever to drop.
reef zodiac
She’s got some great core boons though. Well, 2/3 great core boons
high island
Heretics.
reef zodiac
Absurdly bad at having only 1 Cast every 3 seconds or 3 Casts that take forever ...
We both know the viability of trippy flare so I’m not about to explain it
high island
You will pay for your crimes.
gray apex
Maybe
high island
We both know the viability of trippy flare so I’m not about to explain it <:boul...
What viability?
It's good for speedrunners, they enjoy resetting in Tartarus.
high island
Great experience for them.
reef zodiac
I will say, my very favorite for-fun casual build is Trippy Flare Beo
high island
I shouldn't giggle so much at my own jokes, but what can you do.
gray apex
I like 1 cast trippy beo
reef zodiac
Hitting for like 7000 at once is so fun
gray apex
Fight me
reef zodiac
I like 1 cast trippy beo
Ew
high island
Fight me <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
That wouldn't be a fair fight, you only have 1 Cast.
gray apex
I have a sub8 with it
high island
I have a sub8 with it <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
What was the RTA if you include all the resets in Tartarus?