h1-discussion

[remote lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTbd_EAJ_fI

[upbeat lodge]

can you guys help me picking shield and spear aspects? ill include my favorite aspects from each weapon as a reference point to my playstyle. bow: rama. sword:poseidon. Fists: tie between demeter and gil. rail: tie between eris and hestia

[iron osprey]

idk im with shield rn on zag aspect as you dont need to think its just more damage no things like bull rush then special, and with spear i just played with guan yu aspect and it was pretty fun but you need to unlock it

[polar marsh]

Best shield aspects would be chaos and beowulf

[high island]

Chaos is usually considered to be the weakest of the shield aspects. Well, sometimes Zag Shield, but definitely one of the two.

Beowulf is probably the best aspect in the game right now. Zeus is also extremely good.

[steep bluff]

beowulf is super op but all of them are pretty fun for shield

shield in general is probably the strongest weapon cause of how safe it is

especially in hell mode irs amazing

[chrome wharf]

Beo has the speed record, Zeus has the heat record

[steep bluff]

i love the shield but it feels like cheating sometimes when its decked out well

[chrome wharf]

Meanwhile I'm pretty sure the Chaos heat WR used the special like, less than 10 times in the whole run

[steep bluff]

cause shield special is kind of weak

but rush and attacks are very powerful

[iron osprey]

fr if you get charged shot its basically an insta win imo

[steep bluff]

as for spear guan yu if you're really good achilles if you like having fun

[steep bluff]

yea thay upgrade is so much fun

especially with like artemis attack

or like aphrodite or smth

crazy damage

[iron osprey]

nah but like in hades fight you can literally go to a corner and just spam him and hold it when he attacks

its actually busted

he cant do anything

[steep bluff]

yea thats what i mean it feels a little cheap sometimes

personally most fun i had was with excalibur aspect

such a fun aspect

slow but hits like a damn train

[iron osprey]

havent tried it yet

[steep bluff]

its good fun

its for sword

[iron osprey]

only hidden aspects i have are guan yu and i just unlocked the one for exagryph

[steep bluff]

ah lucifer

[high island]

You can get some ridiculous eHP with Excalibur. Very entertaining.

[steep bluff]

like the look but not really a fan of it or hexagryph in general personally

[steep bluff]

also its great with artemis attack

can do 2000+ on a nice hit

if you have enough poms and its an epic or smth

[high island]

Ehhhhh... I wouldn't say Deadly Strike is great on it. It can be fun. But you're doing relatively sad damage for the aspect 85% of the time.

[steep bluff]

idk i like artemis boons cause artemis is cool

[high island]

Heartbreak Strike is much more consistent, and then you slap Smoldering Air on that.

[steep bluff]

and crit is fun

[high island]

Yeah, definitely can be fun to see those big crit numbers.

[steep bluff]

yea but in general aphrodite is like the best choice in 90% of situations

i like to switch it up

[high island]

In 100% of situations, obviously.

[steep bluff]

try random ass combos

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite is perfectly perfect in every way.

She's also the main character, after all.

[steep bluff]

wish there was a than aspect for a weapon

[high island]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PeppyCloudySnoodDoggo-1SiN8wRSl3hsg9j8

[steep bluff]

love the gay little death boy

[lone kernel]

why does poseidon have a sword when he has a spear in his in game portrait

[steep bluff]

its a trident i think

yea trident

cause he used a sword in the titanomachy

and he has the trident cause its flashy and he's a dumb surfer fish uncle

[high island]

I mean if he was still using the sword, Zag wouldn't be using it.

[steep bluff]

yea zag stole it

did a little trolling

[high island]

He doesn't have the sword anymore. He gave it up.

[iron osprey]

father just let me go cuz im so good at this game

😎

[steep bluff]

i'm actually wondering if than ever comes back to your chambers once you've initially romanced him cause

meg has like 2 times

than hasnt yet a single time

[high island]

He will.

[wary cypress]

I love the part when Meg and Than had a private conversation together...

[steep bluff]

good

[lone snow]

is controller better than mouse and keyboard for this game?

[high island]

Not necessarily. Use whatever you're most comfortable with.

I'd say if you don't have a personal preference, then controller is probably better for most aspects.

[lone snow]

hmmmmmmm

i'll give it a try

[empty pelican]

the game feels so much easier once you've beaten it, just finished my second run

second run where I win anyways

[gray apex]

Well done

[empty pelican]

going to raise heat to 2 now :)

also I'll try aspect of Beowulf

seems fun but I've yet to use it

[gray apex]

Beo very fun indeed

[hidden cape]

Shield is generally a free win imo but slow

[empty pelican]

is aspect of beowulf even worth using with only 1 level? my titan blood is very limited

also I assume get Dionysus and trippy shot

or Aphrodite

[hidden cape]

I'm not to sure most my runs I don't go for a planned build I just roll with the punches lol

[empty pelican]

i understand that and I somewhat agree but I like to at the very least have a base for a build so I like choosing god keepsakes for Tartarus and Asphodel

[high island]

@empty pelican https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7EOP28oyu6t8KrBEfnrN-dQc6H_ssvAyYz3C1O2JOI/edit?usp=sharing

[empty pelican]

I'm not reading all of that right now but I've seen about half of it

I'll save it for future reference

but what I picked up was start with poseiden, get cast, find Artemis boon, get mirage shot

[high island]

That and Passion Flare are the meta builds, yeah. And Trippy Flare, but it's a bit less common.

Flood Flare for speedruns, Passion Flare for high heat.

Typically.

[empty pelican]

I want mirage shot as soon as possible and I'm only on 2 heat

so I'll go flood flare

[high island]

That works.

[hidden cape]

@high island question do you have a guan Yu build?

[feral belfry]

I love when you're doing a zeus build and he literally only drops once

[high island]

I wrote a guide for it here: #h1-discussion message

[empty pelican]

no flood flare from the first boon

smh

[high island]

That's what you get for not trusting in Lady Aphrodite's .

[devout terrace]

Classic beowulf

[chrome wharf]

she's never given me Crush Shot on the first boon when I wanna cast

[versed mason]

did trust enough

[lone kernel]

You wouldn’t get flood shot on the first boon either then on this seed

[chrome wharf]

Was running Hera lol

[quartz tendon]

is there any weird requirement for getting Hera or is it just rng that I have never seen her?

[chrome wharf]

You just buy it with titan blood

Have to unlock all weapons first

[iron osprey]

yo how do i play on the lyre

[mint coral]

hera is just an aspect of the bow, not a god in game

[lone kernel]

just play it two or three times before you go to the exit

sooner or later itll do the thing

[iron osprey]

ok

[empty pelican]

this run is so scuffed

just beat Theseus with aspect of Beowulf except I don't even have a cast

going great

bought a Poseidon boon for 150 in the temple of styx and it didn't even have a cast

💪 💪

[devout terrace]

Using casts is a recommendation

[empty pelican]

ah so it's not mandatory, good to know

going to fight Hades with Beowulf and no cast

because I am an elite gamer

[devout terrace]

Load the casts in for attack damage

[empty pelican]

noted

guys don't worry I got a common level 1 Zeus cast in the temple of Styx the run is saved

[frigid dove]

fellas

[devout terrace]

thunder flare is actually terrible since it doesnt do cast damage

its bugged on bugowulf

[frigid dove]

I got all the achievements

time to never touch this game again

it was a good time

[devout terrace]

ahh, why with that altitude ?

[frigid dove]

I might play a couple runs here and there if I get a steam deck

[devout terrace]

have you done any high heat stuff?

[frigid dove]

16 was my highest for the achievement

but I feel like ive played enough of the game

[devout terrace]

thats fair

[frigid dove]

130 hours and ive tried pretty much every build I wanted to try

[devout terrace]

32 heat is fun to shoot for

for the last skelly statue

[frigid dove]

yeah

I was surprised it wasnt an achievement tbh

[lone kernel]

It basically is tbh

[terse finch]

the game got nay new update recently?

[twin thistle]

if it did it wouldve just been minor bug fixes or something

development is kinda done for the game

[empty pelican]

damn

I died anyways

got Hades to second phase though which surprised even myself

[hidden cape]

any tips with Aspect arthur seems very weak...

not a fan of Super lunge being the only attack type it seems

[twin thistle]

uhhh

stick on aphro attack and combo things

[lone kernel]

Yeah basically aphro attack and smack things with the giant stick

[hidden cape]

Ah oh well i only need to get to hades with it il try not liking this one tho

[lone kernel]

its basically the equivalent of playing as ganon in smash

youre chonky and slow

but you can wreck dudes

[mint coral]

You can also dash mid combo and keep it going

That way you still have some movement

[twin thistle]

yeah thats something you can do with other swords and weapons with combos

cruel thrust strats

[lone kernel]

I forgot that existed

[strong ridge]

dc2 free heat

[lone kernel]

fo2 5 free heat peak gaming

[jolly forge]

Also wait can we play the game with only keyboard?

[chrome wharf]

Presumably yes? But it loses the advantage of mouse aiming

[jolly forge]

I mean how do we special with mouse?

[chrome wharf]

Map it to a mouse button?

[empty pelican]

just beat Hades with beowulf

very fun

[gray apex]

Nice

[strong ridge]

fugh eit hl5 w it

[lone kernel]

If you get good stuff and don’t get hit 64 heat is free. Easy game

[empty pelican]

would hunting blades work with aspect of Beowulf because I never see it reccomended, is there a specific reason it's great on aspect of Hera but not Beowulf?

[lone kernel]

Yeah Hera gives you blade rifts at range beowulf does a derpy little red burst that would be better if it was aphro or Poseidon

[mint coral]

beo cant get neither of the slicing shot duos

cause is a flare

[empty pelican]

wait

yeah

that makes sense actually

[mint coral]

also ares legendary is bugged on slicing flare

doesnt add dmg

[calm zenith]

Beo can get freezing vortex

But it's not good at all without charged shot

[mint coral]

wait it can? huh

[calm zenith]

So it's not really worth it

Yeah

And charged shot like

Somehow makes some bad casts work on it

Because the aoe just comes at the end of your charge

Way more control. Still not great but they work then

Ares cast comes out a tiny bit before the end of your charge

Instead of you rushing into a group then shooting it out

Making it miss the group

It makes the Zeus cast more of a controlled lightning bolt

Not great. Sea Storm works better.

[mint coral]

thunder flare is truly something

[calm zenith]

Yeah I obviously hated it and avoided it

But then I got that run and it kinda melted the champs

[mint coral]

thunder flare is the heavy example of "just add more zeus"

[calm zenith]

Zeus stacking always works

Yeah

It's one pretty high damage bolt

So if you get a bunch of them its gonna get good

I think the bolt size boon might be okay too

Either way double strike turns like 3 casts into like 6-9 strong bolts

[lone kernel]

Literally every Zeus is just add more Zeus

[calm zenith]

I forget exactly how double strike works. Its buggy

But it definitely does way more than advertised

[lone kernel]

Palpatine that jawn

I think it just rolls double strike on double strike created bolts so it’s basically flip a coin to hit again and flip til you miss

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[lone kernel]

It happens fast but it can be like 2 or 6 bolts

[mint coral]

at least zeus^2 doesnt feel weird with only thunder flourish

[calm zenith]

So it can definitely be exponential

[lone kernel]

If you pom double strike up to poggers number

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-starwars-star-wars-emperor-gif-7513769

[calm zenith]

Zeus^2 gets silly with just kiting

Like its slower but its very different gameplay

I still need to try an arctic blast build

I imagine it would work pretty well

[lone kernel]

It’s great w glacial glare

[calm zenith]

Oh what about Demeter + Thunder Flourish + Double Strike

[lone kernel]

Otherwise it’s nothing special

[lone kernel]

That could be cool

[calm zenith]

Zeus special hits very rapidly though

And there should be no cooldown on chill stacking

Ive made it work with Rama special

[mint coral]

artic blast is fun with chiron

[calm zenith]

Chiron works too

[onyx leaf]

Speaking of the shield, bull rush scales with attack damage right?

[mint coral]

almost got 100% dodge without realizing lmao
ruthless reflex + epic 2nd wind but took quick favor instead of the dodge boon

[mint coral]

ye

[onyx leaf]

👍 ty

[glossy turret]

Guys I love you ❤️❤️❤️

[brisk trail]

anyone actually use coronach

t

o wait

im so blind

[runic parrot]

bow strong

[brisk trail]

even with aspect of chiron my fastest run is with it is like

40 mins

[twin thistle]

chiron isnt exactly the fastest bow

though anyways thats not chirons fault

[brisk trail]

well i got daedalus special upgrade at the very start

and then a special boon right after

idk

guess i need more blood

[hidden cape]

Chiron is pretty strong

[calm zenith]

It's also bow pacing

Bow can be plenty fast

[hidden cape]

Max upgraded you have 8/9 Arrows for volley

+4 from hammer ez

[wide trellis]

dude ive got 300+ hp with an extra quick crit spamming twin fists build

boutta fight hades

this has to be the run or else im going to friggin lose it

[runic parrot]

dont forget to dodge

[wide trellis]

ITS DONE

nvm he has a second phase

and im deade

[calm zenith]

Phase 2 is actually easier

[wide trellis]

i died instantly

[elfin sable]

no enimies spawn anymore

so its easier

[calm zenith]

Did you get tilted?

If you won phase 1 you can handle 2

[runic parrot]

yea just dont stress over it

i think its easier the second time because youve gotten over the shock

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[wide trellis]

uhm so like

[runic parrot]

i got agitated the first time too

[wide trellis]

i had no revive and was on 15 hp

[calm zenith]

To be fair it's the same power you have

Ah

[wide trellis]

this is my 5th time reaching him

eriaogufdhjgdfnagjikn

[calm zenith]

Death defiance

[runic parrot]

just dont get hit

[calm zenith]

You'll get it soon

[wide trellis]

tried that

but i had twin fists

[calm zenith]

Basically honestly. But that requires a lot of experience

Yeah

He is a bit easier to dodge than like Theseus

Who can just snipe you

[elfin sable]

the shield makes the lazar part really easy

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[wide trellis]

meh

charge up boring

[elfin sable]

you can block the whole thing

and all of his attacks

[wide trellis]

YOU CAN BLOCK WITH THE SHIELD

[calm zenith]

Yes

[elfin sable]

yeah lol

[calm zenith]

It blocks virtually everything

[wide trellis]

-_- ynow i just realize how stupid of a sentance that is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847533298774966312/906615042877816832/9B2051BC-A2EC-4EAB-9679-1EDC858E0E2E.gif

[calm zenith]

The shield baseline can be boring yeah

[elfin sable]

chaos and zeus make it a lot more fun

[calm zenith]

But it like all weapons has 4 aspects you should have unlocked by now

Stuff like Zeus and Beowulf are more interesting

Zeus is all about the special

[elfin sable]

ye

[calm zenith]

Well you should have unlocked 3 by now

[elfin sable]

i relly like using nemesis on the sword

[calm zenith]

The 4th will come soon

[elfin sable]

lots of damage

and fun

[calm zenith]

It's definitely an improvement over the base yeah

[elfin sable]

a lot of people i see say that they struggled with the Theseus fight, but I beat it on my second attempt

[calm zenith]

I struggled more with the miniboss I think yeah

[elfin sable]

i struggled a lot more with hades and meg lol

[calm zenith]

Patrocles really helps early though imo

[elfin sable]

the butterfly thing was a pain

[calm zenith]

If you have all your death defiances or even 2, you can totally regain them

[elfin sable]

yeah

[wide trellis]

guess ill do a shield run

[elfin sable]

yes shield op at the beginning

[wide trellis]

good news i learned how to block

the bad news is that im dumb and dont use charge abilities

[bitter rover]

how do you shield in asphodel

genuine question

[wide trellis]

what?

[bitter rover]

i just keep dashing to lava

[wide trellis]

keep holding down charge

[calm zenith]

Dont dash to lava

[wide trellis]

and dont let go

[bitter rover]

solid advice unironically

[calm zenith]

You can dash out anyway

Just be ready to dash out if you end up doing that

[twin thistle]

bullrushing on lava is generally not a good idea

[bitter rover]

it was my first shield run, died to lava

[calm zenith]

Yeah

Charged shot might help

It makes shield like bow

[bitter rover]

you want to know the fun part? i beat the boss, then somebody walks in, talks to me

i realize I'm back at the house with no bounty

mfw i stepped on lava and died

[calm zenith]

Lol

It happens. It can also happen while fishing

You get trapped

[wide trellis]

idk how to fish

[calm zenith]

Dont look

Wait for the sound

[bitter rover]

wait for the bob to go down

[wide trellis]

i mean how do you actually fish

like

what

[bitter rover]

oh

[calm zenith]

In game?

[bitter rover]

you see a small light

did you buy the rod

[calm zenith]

You can buy an item from the contractor. A rod

[wide trellis]

also to not die to lava get the thing that swaps out bull rush for a projectile

[calm zenith]

This unlocks fishing nodes

[wide trellis]

yeah i got the rod

[calm zenith]

Yeah charged shot

[bitter rover]

wait for a light on the water, zag will say time to fish

[calm zenith]

Just wait for a light in the water then

[bitter rover]

then press action key

[calm zenith]

And you interact

It will also ding after the room is cleared

[wide trellis]

oh no this crazy girl with a blood fetish D"

D:

help

[bitter rover]

she's not that hard

[wide trellis]

she weird tho

[bitter rover]

just make her walk over spikes

[brisk trail]

pretty much just

[bitter rover]

Alecto my beloved......

[brisk trail]

megaera with rage

[stuck pier]

I don't like Alecto

she's the hardest

IMO

[brisk trail]

alecto is annoying

[stuck pier]

murder murder is the easiest

[bitter rover]

tisiphone is the hardest if you don't have athena dash

[brisk trail]

but reducing room size makes blade rifts extra broken

[bitter rover]

with divine dash it's easy

[wide trellis]

OW GOD OK I FORGOT YOU SAID IT CAN BLOCK VIRTUALLY ANYTHING AND NOT EVERYTHING

[brisk trail]

divine dash makes almost every boss free

except like

asteries and theseus

asterius*

[stuck pier]

what do you do with the Theseus Chariot thing

[brisk trail]

dash through a pillar

or just walk towards a wall

and dash out of the way

[bitter rover]

Dionysus dash makes the minotaur really easy

[brisk trail]

and he'll get stunned

[calm zenith]

You can actually block most of everything on that fight

Even the aoe circles

[wide trellis]

O W

whatever she ded

[brisk trail]

buzzsaw?

[calm zenith]

I think you need to have your shield in the center

She summons a saw trap

[wide trellis]

beyblade

[brisk trail]

oh right

[wide trellis]

i refuse to elaborate further

also what is titans bloods use

i have a lo

lot

[calm zenith]

It upgrades weapons

Have you unlocked them all

[wide trellis]

almost

im missing the gun

[calm zenith]

I think once you unlock them all Achilles will have a dialogue, then you can use new forms and upgrade

[wide trellis]

sweet

[calm zenith]

Really makes it a lot more fun

[wide trellis]

time to grind keys

[calm zenith]

Even if you dont like spear, make sure to spend 5 blood on it

It will unlock some other stuff

[wide trellis]

i love the spear

[twin thistle]

uh for hidden spear you dont need to spend blood on spear

just unlock 5 non zag aspects

[calm zenith]

You dont? Okay

[twin thistle]

weapon doesnt matter

[calm zenith]

That's a little tougher

That's more like 10 blood

[bitter rover]

I've only beaten the game with the spear

but i heard it's not that good of a weapon

[mint coral]

unlock the first aspect of each and is still 5 blood

[bitter rover]

so I'm trying to branch out

[wide trellis]

s p e e d

[wide trellis]

of course i died with the shield

[modern garnet]

shield can block...

[wide trellis]

I K N O W

[modern garnet]

hey you'd be surprised, some people don't know

[wide trellis]

i didnt 10 minutes ago

[runic parrot]

swift + flurry strike is fun

machine gun

[vague sedge]

any tips for sword vs hades? i basically have to rely on the cast because i get screwed up by the spin slash otherwise

[high island]

You need to time an empty dash to i-frame the spin. If you press Attack or something mid-dash, you don't get any i-frames, so you'll get hit.

When your dashes are on cooldown but you have a Call, you can also activate your Call to get i-frames.

Any Call will give a good amount of i-frames on activation.

[vague sedge]

which aspect should i use

[high island]

Hyper Sprint and Greatest Reflex from Lord Hermes will also make things a whole lot easier.

[twin thistle]

nemesis cool. arthur is easy

[high island]

Whichever one you like, really. Zag Sword is definitely the weakest, but it can be fun.

[vague sedge]

yeah i can't just stay 10 meters from the boss and snipe them or stack status 😔

[twin thistle]

it helps to attack hades in between his attacks

[vague sedge]

i have nemesis right now

[high island]

After his spin is a great time to get some hits in because he takes awhile to recover from his spin.

Go for Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish on Nemesis. Try to get their Duo Boon.

And look for as many Strike and Lunge boons from Master Chaos as you can get.

[vague sedge]

deadly strike is ares right

[high island]

Typical DPS rotation with Nemesis goes Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat.

Deadly is Lady Artemis.

Crits.

[vague sedge]

oh

[twin thistle]

his jab and skull attacks can be deflected so you can pretty much spam dash strikes and special while he's using those if you have athena boons

[vague sedge]

and is the dark or fire thing for cast ammo better? i'm using the +2 capacity one

or is it situation based

[high island]

For the thrust (or "jab"), you can also just circle him without dashing and the thrust will never be able to hit you.

[twin thistle]

stygian is usually better for weapons that dont rely on cast or cast builds that use ice beams or trippy flare

[high island]

Is it, though? The meta is definitely Infernal Soul on pretty much anything except specific Cast builds.

[twin thistle]

well hermes pool

[high island]

It's not much of a meaningful difference. Infernal Soul helps with DPS.

[vague sedge]

blade rift spam 😀

[lone kernel]

Stygian for Dionysus cast, meme beams have a higher ceiling with Stygian but also dependent on chaos giving an extra cookie and auto reload from hermes. If your build isn’t cast tho then whatever tbh

[vague sedge]

wait is arthur still worth using over nemesis when i get it

[lone kernel]

They do different things. Arthur feels like you’re using a big chonky boomstick, nemesis a little more zippy and easier to move around with. Arthur does 60/80/200 on its base combo tho w no boons which is pretty pog

In terms of what’s easier to win with, Excalibur

[vague sedge]

yeah looking at its stats it seems pretty heat

[twin thistle]

well for low heat

[high island]

If your build isn’t cast tho then whatever tbh
Saves quite a bit of time in speedruns, though.

Even with just base Cast, Infernal can be a decent time save in Tartarus.

[lone kernel]

Fair enough

[feral belfry]

Do I have to give nectar to bouldy to progress with sis

[high island]

Nope.

[feral belfry]

ok ty

[bitter rover]

so i go talk to meg

she has the option to talk or gift, it's the first ambrosia after the companion

but i choose to talk first

she gets angry at something random then the gift option disappears

😔

[twin thistle]

you can quit to menu if you havent left the room

[bitter rover]

it was like an hour ago

[twin thistle]

well can use it for some other time but that would put you before you talked to her

[low egret]

how do i use companion against hadess

i have 4 heart with hades

and 7 with meg

[calm zenith]

It's something you pay for iirc

And it requires hearts

[low egret]

whats iirc

[calm zenith]

If I recall correctly

[low egret]

so its something you pay for

to use companion against hades

[calm zenith]

Gems yeah

[low egret]

yes ive maxed the hades hearts thingy

[low egret]

o

[low egret]

does it need to trigger a convo or something

[calm zenith]

I believe so yeah

[low egret]

ah

i see

[calm zenith]

Keep talking to Hades and Meg

I dont know the exact details sorry. Usually these contractor things will be unlocked after dialogue with Hades

It may be more than 4 hearts though

You unlock more hearts through story content

Which is really only unlocked from clears

[low egret]

ohhh rlly

[cerulean river]

[feral belfry]

I wasn't even doing a cast run but ended up with hunting blades, lighting rod, and engulfing vortex and all I ended up doing was casting and dashing around

that was fun

[last veldt]

It's fun when that happens.

[fast willow]

made an aspects tierlist of how much i like the aspect mixed with how good it is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/916321325998563348/unknown.png

[high island]

Very surprising E tier.

[fast willow]

bad aspect is bad big shocker i know

[devout terrace]

[weary lantern]

doesn't try to rob Charon: bag is there every run
Tries to rob Charon: bag never spawns

[devout terrace]

how loyalty card% feels like

[lone kernel]

@wise wren let’s not clog victory boasting, but yeah I am a fan of weird pacts and weird builds that work. One of my proudest moments was my meme beam Rama 36 clear im all for getting weird

[lone kernel]

Facts tho, Tartarus Charon fights are just a bad idea

I once did one having gotten a splitting bolt from midship once and still died

Big

[wise wren]

hah! that sounds pretty fun, I've been stuck with the fists for a bit while trying to get 32, maybe I should try a couple of Rama builds next

[lone kernel]

i like starting coin purse and taking the first two gods that spawn no matter what

it gets super weird

zag bow with Dionysus, Ares, Aphro and Poseidon lol

Curse of Drowning poggers

cause my hammers were doodoo

I hit a wall around 36-40 heat depending on weapon so I’ve been doing a bunch of 32 with js3 and coin purse start lol

[wise wren]

wow I'd never have thought to start with coin purse, does that really make that big of a difference?

[lone kernel]

The purpose is to get a random start and also a few bucks to dig myself out of a hole if necessary

Like if I’m starting Eris rail I’m more likely to win with a Zeus start than say an ares start

Making it work with random gods at high heat is fun to me cause 40 heat isn’t haha

That’s how I discovered Dionysus attack on Eris was actually pretty darn based

[devout terrace]

Nobody:

Lando: based

[stuck pier]

man, that Theseus Chariot Encounter

took 2 Death Defiance

Theseus I can handle, but that jacked up Minotaur is a nuisance

[lone kernel]

Yep em3 Minotaur is a run ender

[fast willow]

FO2 EM3 bullcharge

[stuck pier]

I won, the run, but was tough

[weary lantern]

is the spawn random or do I need something equipped?

[lone kernel]

random

will only spawn in midshops tho

not right before bosses

[weary lantern]

I've had soooo many runs and have yet to see it again

fml

[lone kernel]

RNJesus can be like that

itll happen

youll get one in tartarus next run that you arent prepared for

[weary lantern]

fingers crossed

[lone kernel]

thats how it goes sometimes

[weary lantern]

It's the last thing i need for my steam achievements

[lone kernel]

22% chance of appearing in any midshop

you will get only one chance per run to fight him max

and the math is weird, 22% per midshop doesnt mean 66% chance of seeing him

i dont exactly understand why mathematically if someone wants to elaborate on that

[weary lantern]

more like 0.22% lmao

ive been at it like 2-3 irl days

[lone kernel]

did hermes give u the challenge

[weary lantern]

Probably. I have a bond forged with everyone but I skip his dialogue lmao

[lone kernel]

idk, you gotta beat him twice in a row for a prophecy that is via Hermes

[weary lantern]

oh then I haven't got the challenge cause its not on my prophecy list yet

[lone kernel]

yeah maybe prioritize hermes and see if that challenge is given

you wont get your achievement without beating him twice in a row

[weary lantern]

facts

ppreciate it homie!

[lone kernel]

good luck!

[weary lantern]

IT JUST SPAWNED LMFAOOOO

[lone kernel]

called it

[weary lantern]

100% The steam achievements! heck yeah!

[lone kernel]

[brisk trail]

GG

[versed mason]

what do you think was the hardest achievement?

[weary lantern]

thanks homie

[brisk trail]

Yesir

What are you gonna do now

[weary lantern]

None were too hard, just spawn rates were low. But to say the hardest was probably gettings skelly's second statue which is beating a 16 heat. However the friends forever(max-rank each standard keepsake) took forever lmao

[brisk trail]

I almost 100% the binding issac if you know what that is

[weary lantern]

probably just farm up resources to earn all the victory screens and upgrades

[versed mason]

oh jeez max ranking each keepsake lol

[weary lantern]

I've heard of the game, my home girl was obsessed with that game lol

[versed mason]

that'll take a while

[weary lantern]

It's the rarest achievement globally lol. Says only 6% of players got it

[gray apex]

Do 40 Heat all weps

[versed mason]

ive yet to get decathlete but i think i can farm that pretty easy on 0 heat with some speeds

[weary lantern]

I wish lol. I was too impatient and did the heat 16 while i was only on heat 8. Ima farm for now lol

[weary lantern]

same here. I don't care much for streaks rn, I was too busy doing hella suicide runs lol

[brisk trail]

Oh ye spawn rates

Lmao

[weary lantern]

heck yeah. Spawn rates are crazy and even more in mid game when you have hella different tasks going on lol

[fast willow]

what is decathlete

[gray apex]

10 win streak

[weary lantern]

just got 420 darkness in one of those trove things lol

[lone kernel]

funi number

[weary lantern]

now 504 darkness lmao

[stable dagger]

Daily reminder that Artemis should be a romanceable character in hadesgame

[weary lantern]

Artemis is that babyyyyy fr

[lone kernel]

Doesn’t Artemis like not want to be romantic w anyone just wants to shoot Bambi with Callisto

[stable dagger]

why hurt me like that

[gray apex]

lol

[devout terrace]

I think shes ace

[stuck pier]

Demeter Romance

is what we need

[weary lantern]

incest lmao

[stuck pier]

lmao

[stable dagger]

they are greek gods after all

[devout terrace]

They are greek gods after all

[lone kernel]

they retconned out all the incest

which...thanks for that, supergiant

[devout terrace]

[brisk trail]

Lol

[empty pelican]

is there any reason to actually go above the number on the heat gauge or should I just go up in increments of 1 each time I win

[full nexus]

Boredom for me

You'll improve and 1 by 1 increment might feel boring

[empty pelican]

I want the titan blood though

[full nexus]

You'll get the reward for the lowest heat available

so you can do multiple runs at let's say 10 heat

[empty pelican]

I went from 3 heat to 16 because I'm an alpha

I probably wont get very far though

[full nexus]

Nice

16 can be hard, depends what you picked

[empty pelican]

em4, jury summons and they have perks and blue health bars

not sure if I've messed up and that's bad but I hope not

[full nexus]

BP can be bad, especially with jury summons. But you don't have a time limit so you should be fine by playing carefully

EM4 is hard but without hard labor and forced overtime (and tight deadline), it's doable too

[empty pelican]

if I fail I'll just take off the blue health bars and see how I fare then

[brisk trail]

EM4 + Forced overtime 2 is hell

[empty pelican]

lost a death defiance and I'm on 12 hp, haven't even made it to megaera

might have gotten a bit ahead of myself

[brisk trail]

what did you pick

bad rng can make it hard to clear room

[full nexus]

Some aspects are terrible with DC too

[brisk trail]

I just got a good rng run, first time clear 32 heat

[empty pelican]

I use Beowulf usually

[brisk trail]

[gray apex]

You can go for Tight Deadline, BP1, Middle Management, Underworld Customs, EM1-2-3

Those are easier to handle than Jury and EM4

You can also start getting used to BP2 and Forced overtime 1 and later 2

If you feel confident enough you can take HS

[empty pelican]

I have no idea what any of those words stand for so I'll just wait until I eventually die and check the pact of punishments

[full nexus]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[brisk trail]

I hate UC

[full nexus]

it's ok

[gray apex]

Just gotta keep it a bit in your mind when making decisions

[full nexus]

Besides ME builds you can work around it

[gray apex]

You'll surely come across something not so good

[brisk trail]

yeah but sometime it forced you to pick a boon gate, or use a fated choice to erase the right one

[full nexus]

Aren't you talking about AP?

[brisk trail]

and sth not so good might be the requirement for duo/legendary

[gray apex]

Yea sounds like AP

UC is having to sell a boon between biomes

[brisk trail]

yeah so you need to have some boon to sell right

[gray apex]

Yea

[brisk trail]

or reroll the 3 option to sell

[lone kernel]

Chad pact right there

But there’s easier ways lol

[gray apex]

lol

[stuck pier]

Wtf

Hades just let me go

I think so

I did

What happens if you hit Hades, does he start the fight anyways

If you hit Cerberus you just get some dialogue

[brisk trail]

Hey so, there were these themes I bought awhile back that changed how the HUD looked like but I can't find any way to change it now

Is there a way to change it or am I stuck with the one I selected back then?

[gray apex]

Contractor

[brisk trail]

Yeah, I checked every tab

like 5 times

[gray apex]

It should be in the first one no?

[brisk trail]

Nope

I can screenshot it if you want

[gray apex]

Sure

[brisk trail]

Do I send the screenshots here ooor?

DM you? tbh I've barely ever used this server, I wouldn't know

[gray apex]

You can send a screenshot link here since you cant post it directly

[lone kernel]

You can just click on the themes you’ve bought and click it to switch I think

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/916425397149782087/Hades_hfGJsrfcJ3.png

It should look something like this

[brisk trail]

I know

Its just that they aint there to select

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525793613851131905/916426732079300669/Screenshot_21.png

[gray apex]

Hmm

Are you sure you bought one before

[brisk trail]

Yep, I literally bought all of them

Im wearing one rn

[lone kernel]

maybe buy something else?

idk thats werid never seent hat before

[brisk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/525793613851131905/916427477499396106/Screenshot_26.png

[brisk trail]

Little problem with that, I already own everything

At least, everything I can buy rn

[lone kernel]

[brisk trail]

Sad times

[gray apex]

But if you own everything wouldnt there a little ✅ above the thingies

You only have that above lounge

[brisk trail]

I assume its cuz Ive both unlocked everything for the lounge and bought everything in the lounge

I probably haven't unlocked everything for the other stuff

to buy

[craggy grail]

is it impossible to get hunter-seeker blades and freezing blades duos together?

oof, just checked the wiki and it says they are incompatible

[full nexus]

Yeah

[craggy grail]

rip why tho

[full nexus]

Well

Freezing Vortex is probably the worst duo

[gray apex]

You're probably better off with Hunting Blades on its own

[craggy grail]

oh I know, but at least give me the duo swap

I made the mistake of picking freezing vortex

it's okay I barely made it through the run: ||https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1835776613070975516/B6AC8635F8F4FE5656A5290B1B2E29D697237E76/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false||

[gray apex]

That's some nice Chaos

[craggy grail]

yeah I was trying to buff special

but all Chaos gave me were bad options and to buff cast

if there's grass, play ball ¯_(ツ)_/¯

the codex needs to warn about incompatible boons/buffs IMO

like how some boons can't appear for some aspects etc

[iron osprey]

how the hell do i play the lyre

[wary cypress]

@iron osprey go up to it and hit "play". An interact button should show up.

[iron osprey]

yeah but how do i play it lol

like actually do something

not just do some wonky noises

[lone kernel]

Do it like 2 or 3 times before every run and talk to Orpheus a bunch and sooner or later you’ll get it

Closer to later than sooner

[iron osprey]

damn

ok

[full nexus]

I think you can do it in one go

[lone kernel]

I sat there and mashed L repeatedly with one hand while clicking through work compliance crap lol

Was like an hour

But I was multitasking

[calm zenith]

Yeah

It's a few hundred attempts

[shadow kernel]

Did they ever fix mirage shot doing double damage on beo

I haven’t played in months

[signal aspen]

no

[calm zenith]

You'll notice a difference when you do it right

[shadow kernel]

Ok cool

[signal aspen]

they probably wont change it

[calm zenith]

Like the sound for each new "skill" tier is very distinct from the last

Yeah

It's just a perk of beo now

[charred hemlock]

if u have the aspect of demeter and you land 12 specials when you have tempest florish does it knockback that much

[lone kernel]

most you can land is 5

poseidon attack on fists is not going to synergize well w demeter aspect

[wary cypress]

Yeah you have to do it about 200 times if I'm not mistaken... I did it over multiple runs.

[iron osprey]

well i just got it to sound like something

still not a song tho

but getting better

[wary cypress]

That's great! Keep at it

[iron osprey]

lol this feels like actually learning an instrument

if only i practiced at the drums the amount of time i spend on hades i wouldve been a god

[wary cypress]

Hahahaha... ikr?? I just checked my Switch account and it says that I've played 155 hours of Hades so far. And I have 30 more hours on Steam.

[iron osprey]

im playing on the gamepass cuz its free idk how to check

[wary cypress]

Actually, 43 hours on steam. lol

Is gamepass for Xbox?

[twin thistle]

i think i got like 300 or something since it was released on console

100ish xbox 200ish steam

[lone kernel]

390 lol

[wary cypress]

I actually finished Pokemon Sword in less time than I have played Hades for... And that game's LONG

[lone kernel]

That number is going to regularly blow your mind

[void vigil]

i have over 500 hours combined with steam and egs, maybe even closer to 550

[lone kernel]

I thought the same about BOTW in March lol

[twin thistle]

actually maybe more like 350 total

[wary cypress]

Nice numbers

I started in late September I think.

[void vigil]

but ive been playing since day one of early access, so yeah. thats december 2018

[iron osprey]

yeah but also for pc

[wary cypress]

I wish I had heard of it back when it was early access...

I wasn't paying attention to games

But I'm still glad that the community is still active for a game that's been out a few years

[iron osprey]

wdym sword's not that long lol

[wary cypress]

Well if you're like me and you make sure you grind all the pokemons you're going to use until they're really high level before you finish the story...

[void vigil]

i was just already a fan of supergiant, not even a fan of roguelites, so i bought it immediately when it was announced

[wary cypress]

I loved Supergiant when I first played Bastion. Then I got Transistor. And just kinda forgot... lol

[iron osprey]

lmao i rush the story normally and i was really weak against fire types so leon was kinda hard

[wary cypress]

Ahhh yeah.. If you don't grind, then yeah, totally not that long.

Thinking about all the grinding now makes me want to puke because of how annoying it was. lol

[iron osprey]

yeah i also finished the dex in about a week

which took alot of time

[lone kernel]

i couldnt do sword, the rival telling me how to tie my shoes and brush my teeth like bro im 30 i know what to do

Hades is responsible for half my switch’s gaming hours lol

[charred hemlock]

well 5 is decent

[iron osprey]

ahhh i see you havent played sun and moon lol

the tutorial there is notoriously long

i think it takes like an hour

[somber hatch]

Where did Skelly go? Didnt see him after my first clear

[charred hemlock]

Is there anything past unseen warden

[devout terrace]

yeah

Unseen one

[fast plover]

wow theres a lot of ranks in this game

[charred hemlock]

unseen one is the last one

[fast plover]

only requires 325k darkness to get them all
seems very doable

[charred hemlock]

oh my

its something to do 🙂

[fast plover]

also after 80 hours of playing this game i finally got the same hades fight dialogue twice for the first time

thats an impressive amount of dialogue options

[brisk trail]

quick charge on aspect of hades is

mm

[charred hemlock]

i still didnt get the dual love scene with meg and than

[brisk trail]

pick up a weapon

and he'll show up

i mean swap weapons

[lapis shore]

There's a love scene l?

[charred hemlock]

Yes

u can bed them both at once

and its very rare to get

[chrome wharf]

I have like 300 hours in the game and seen it twice lol

[lapis shore]

How does it happen

[charred hemlock]

I dont know

[lone kernel]

YouTube or just keep doing runs

[balmy scarab]

Y’all I just got my first sub 10 minutes hades run I’m so happy

[high island]

Congratulations!

[lone kernel]

Based

[chrome wharf]

Is the last mirror skill the only one that "matters" with RI4

ie make a difference in gameplay

[gray apex]

Wdym last one

The defiance?

[high island]

They all matter.

[gray apex]

The only one that makes a big difference in gameplay from RI4 is the defiance tho

[brisk trail]

Is Pom Blossom affected by Sweet Nectar?

I assume not

[full nexus]

nope

[brisk trail]

Dang, that's too sad

[devout terrace]

[feral belfry]

Any specific boons work really well for Rama or is it pretty well rounded? Aphro attack?

[gray apex]

If it has rarity yes

[full nexus]

can't go wrong with heartbreak strike

Hunter dash too, and try to have flat damage on special

zeus/ares/dio

[balmy scarab]

I’d do Artemis on attack but aphro works too

[full nexus]

Arty is really good too

[feral belfry]

dio could be fun on special

[balmy scarab]

Yeah dio is good on special

[feral belfry]

I guess I'm just wondering what keepsake to open the run with

[balmy scarab]

The stackable effects are really good for the special

And Zeus is just flat damage

[gray apex]

You can go for either

Aphro or Arty

[feral belfry]

arty or arphro

ok

I do like weak

[balmy scarab]

It depends do you wanna focus on the attack for big chunky damage or spam the special the whole time

[feral belfry]

I guess idk

[gray apex]

You can go for your special boon first too

And pick up an attack along the way

Like Zeus start and just take Aphro or Arty whatever shows up

[feral belfry]

Just unlocked Rama and am creeping into double digit heat and I like the bow so time to git gud

[gray apex]

Rama so worth the effort

[feral belfry]

tag people with special and then attack with power shot?

[balmy scarab]

You don’t have to power shot but if you can get it off it does really good damage

For most lesser enemies the normal shot will suffice

[gray apex]

Yea you don’t powershot every single thing out there

Also start your shot off a dash strike

[balmy scarab]

Though for the chunky bois idk their names they can be good to powershot

[gray apex]

Because it takes less time to charge

Hammer can help you powershot less on things like brimstones witches louts thugs etc

[balmy scarab]

Mainly powershot for armored enemies and bosses anyways

[feral belfry]

chain shot or twin shot

[gray apex]

Twin

[feral belfry]

ty

[gray apex]

Twin is the most comfortable hammer for Rama and one of the greatest for dmg overall

It is your ideal first pick

[feral belfry]

Yeah i love win on zag

[gray apex]

Triple is great too but requires more experience because you have to get up close for those shotguns

[lone kernel]

Explosive shot isn’t optimal but man is it fun

[gray apex]

Explosive is my run ender

[balmy scarab]

Facts

[lone kernel]

You basically become way better against mobs but bosses become hard and if you’re on em4 you lose

[balmy scarab]

I one risked getting the anvil to get twin or triple shot for Rama and got explosive shot and I was in pain

I still won cause it was low heat but it was so slow

[lone kernel]

It’s better on zag bow

It kinda turns zag bow into Rama tbh

[balmy scarab]

Can you get explosive shot and flurry shot

[calm zenith]

Aphro attack Dionysus special

Explo yes flurry no

[lone kernel]

I think together

[calm zenith]

Explo is very slow though

Together? No

[balmy scarab]

Gotcha was just wondering if you could get them together

[lone kernel]

Like shoot a flurry of bomb arrows

Was about to say, based idea

[balmy scarab]

That would probably be busted

[calm zenith]

Depends on how slow it is

[feral belfry]

oof slow charge is something to get used to

[calm zenith]

Yeah. Just get comfortable with its timing.

[gray apex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/916483818330918972/Hades_Da72fxMhaf.png

You ever do one of those

[balmy scarab]

Pain

Haven’t though cause I haven’t done above 32 heat

And I don’t think I ever will

[lone kernel]

If you pull it off that would be super based

[lone kernel]

You say that

[gray apex]

No I wont pull off an EM4 55 Heat Rama

[balmy scarab]

I think I’d cry multiple times in the process

[gray apex]

[balmy scarab]

I’m not that good at the game

I only got my first 32 heat run like a few days ago lol

[gray apex]

You’ll get there if you plan on pushing heat

It gets easier

Just practice

[balmy scarab]

Rn my goal is to get 32 heat on all weapons but I’m not sure how that’ll go

Sword is probably gonna be my biggest issue

[devout terrace]

How about 55 EM3 rama

Do it

Be a gamer

[gray apex]

RI2

[devout terrace]

On splash dash repulse

[gray apex]

I didnt grind EM4 for nothing

[whole comet]

Sword u could try aphro atk boon first

And set HL 0

[devout terrace]

It sucks without double edge

Just go merciful end

[gray apex]

ME gud

[balmy scarab]

I might just do Poseidon sword to be a coward

[devout terrace]

Posideon

[gray apex]

Merciful end is safe

Divine dash divine flourish

All you need

And big dmg

[lone kernel]

With ap2?

[gray apex]

32 Heat should be ok without AP2 lol

[lone kernel]

Oh

[gray apex]

It’s basically anyheat build

[lone kernel]

I thought we were talking about your unfortunate hammer still my bad

[gray apex]

CF0 RI0 AP0

It was dead either way to time because c34 unarmored brightswords and archers

JS3 gaming

Maybe the archers were armored I have no idea

Not like it matters

[feral belfry]

well I just got explosive shot and twin shot

should be fun

[calm zenith]

On Rama? Be careful

If had that make me unable to use attack on Hades

I think it was em4 too tbf

It's very slow

[lone kernel]

Smoldering Athena aid and explosive rama is absolute peak gaming

[calm zenith]

Lmao

Lvl 10 athena aid full call

Just to get the one shot

[lone kernel]

[real wadi]

i LOVE hades the videogame

[brisk trail]

Oh,you like hades? Say every voiced line

[high island]

Why would you do HL0 if you're going for Weak? Weak is more effective in total damage reduction the higher you set HL. It's twice as effective at HL5.

[whole comet]

I think that means u can spam easily

[high island]

You're practically reducing HL5 to HL2 with Weak.

[whole comet]

At least for those who had a hard time on 32 heat sword

[lone kernel]

How did you enjoy your wanton ransacking of my domain?

My ransacking was fine thank you

[whole comet]

Also, I thought ur guide is aphro build all weapons XD

[lone kernel]

A little harmless fun at the expense of Orpheus? You have my full and complete attention Dionysus mate

[high island]

Point is that you're way better off taking HL5 at 32 Heat if you're going for Weak.

Because Weak negates so much of its effect.

That's 5 Heat you don't have to put elsewhere that doesn't affect you too much.

[brisk trail]

What's hl

[high island]

Hard Labor.

HL5 is maxed-out Hard Labor. Makes all enemies do +100% damage. So they're doing 200% damage, but with Weak you reduce that by 30% to 140%.

You're negating 60% of their base damage as opposed to 30% of their base damage if you take HL0. That's why that's a good combo. Weak becomes more valuable as you increase HL.

Similarly, if you're going for a Chill build at high heat, you're best off taking Forced Overtime 2 (FO2).

[whole comet]

Say if u go for aphro build with sword then

Does it mean the 32 heat should have HL5?

To have the easiest experience?

[high island]

Ideally, yeah.

[twin thistle]

well its easier than fo2

[brisk trail]

What about hera

[twin thistle]

tbh aint weak basically a ~43% or whatsit increase in ehp anyways

[high island]

Hera doesn't care if you know how to build it well; you just one-shot everything, so you can just do HL5 FO2 to be perfectly honest.

If your build strategy is to take the Shattered Shackle on Hestia, for example, then AP2 is an excellent idea because the Shackle negates much of the issues you'd have with AP2 normally.

You want to look for strategies like that where your build naturally negates a lot of the difficulty of the pacts that you choose.

[high island]

On its own if enemies are always Weak before they damage you, yeah.

And if you're disregarding traps.

[whole comet]

Lol but then

If u say AP2 for 32 heat

[twin thistle]

like either way hl5 just means youre taking half the hits by enemies to be killed disregarding breakpoints

[whole comet]

And claim it would be easy run

U would get laughed off

[twin thistle]

when ap2 forces lightning strike on you twice in a row

[high island]

If people laughed me off instead of learning something, I don't think I would care too much lol.

[whole comet]

Well

[high island]

I said that if you want to take Shackle anyway on for example Hestia, AP2 is a good idea. Doesn't mean that's necessarily the easiest way to clear 32 with Hestia.

But it makes sense for that build.

[whole comet]

I really think AP2 shackle and hourglass Charon make an easy run lol

[high island]

Yeah, AP2 Shackle Hestia on 32 honestly isn't too bad.

[twin thistle]

until ap2 forces lightning strike on you twice in a row

[high island]

Well hey, you get a rail with Lightning Strike. That's not the end of the world.

[twin thistle]

hestia is good enough that ap2 shackle aint that hard but like you could also just do ap1 shackles and now you have some better options for just 3 heat at 32

[high island]

But if you're not doing AP2, you have a lot of better options than starting Shackle.

[twin thistle]

ap2 makes shackle the better option but its not the better option for shackle itself

[high island]

I disagree.

But anyway, I was just making a general point about looking for build/pact synergies.

[high island]

I wrote a guide for the meta Hera build by the way, if you're interested. #h1-discussion message

[chrome wharf]

what I meant is, does the gameplay act any differently depending on which side of the mirror was picked
Because even when RI disables Fated Authority/Persuation, the active one still matters since it affects what kind of roll the key room gives you
sorry it wasn't super clear

[runic parrot]

does having yellow cast on the mirror not affect it?

if so then im pretty sure yeah only the rerolls do