h1-discussion

[twin thistle]

boon replacements are kinda rare

[silent siren]

doing a doom build with zag fists so went for ares attack first

[silent siren]

how likely is it that I get merciful end from her though? Have a bunch of ares boons and one or two athena boons

[runic parrot]

you have to have athena on special

[silent siren]

ok got that req then

[runic parrot]

me is only achievable by ares-attack/athena-special or the other way around

[silent siren]

good to know

[twin thistle]

uh the base chance for a duo is 12% from a reg boon or 10% from a mini boss but this rolls 3 times since there are 3 boon choices

[silent siren]

what do I go for for my second hammer? Would've gotten breaching cross if that were an option but my options are:

heavy knuckle

quake cutter and

concentrated knuckle

got long knuckle for first hammer

[twin thistle]

tbh none of those sound that useful for a doom build

[runic parrot]

those are all pretty bad for me lol

[twin thistle]

heavy or concentrated ig

[runic parrot]

but i'd get concentrated i think

[silent siren]

does heavy slow me down?

I don't want to be slow if I can avoid it

[runic parrot]

your dash strikes will stillbe the same

[twin thistle]

well the combo is slower but like you can still dash out of it

[runic parrot]

its the main attack pattern that will be slower

[silent siren]

so pretty much with heavy you can still benefit from 1-2 hits but if you combo lots it slows you down, where with concentrated knuckle you have to be able to hit more to benefit but is more likely to damage boost since it doesn't slow down the combo

right?

[twin thistle]

well idk about how the numbers are balanced

[silent siren]

if doom benefits from more hits at a time, then concentrated knuckle hits more overall while still damage boosting.

With heavy knuckle individual attacks are slower?

[twin thistle]

well doom doesnt really care about how many hits youre doing unless you have dire misfortune but tbh dire misfortune is also pretty bad

[hidden cape]

omfg

had hades at 5% hp and died

Even less he had a dam sliver and i got caught by a ad, started that fight with no death defy either wasn't to hard tbh.. rail op

So what weapon is best to use the blood on ?

[silent siren]

Can Thanatos kill you when he attacking another foe

[hidden cape]

no

[silent siren]

So you can go in the big purple ring to attack enemies with no risk other than how the enemies could hurt you?

[hidden cape]

yup

[silent siren]

Ok

[twin thistle]

ye

[hidden cape]

hes there as a support

So whats the best aspect wep to get early on?

[twin thistle]

well depends on which weapon you like

[hidden cape]

Well leaning mostly on bow/rail but fists were fun also

[twin thistle]

for rail, eris is best for early investment. hestia is equally as strong but mechanically is quite different from reg rail and eris is better for newer players and without needing as much blood investment

[silent siren]

Does Cyclops jerky affect room?

Doom

[twin thistle]

no

[silent siren]

Still worth it though?

[hidden cape]

Alright gonnna throw all my blood into eris

5~

[twin thistle]

for bow. hera is strong at just level one. zag bow is cheap and strong. chiron is relatively weak without being max lvl

[silent siren]

Or should I get hydra lite gold to hopefully start Theseus and asterius at full health?

[twin thistle]

fists either eris or demeter

[twin thistle]

hydralite better

[silent siren]

Ok

[twin thistle]

jerky more of a speedrun option

unless like end shop is literally the next room and youre at fullish health

[hidden cape]

mhm just started my next run not sure if i should take Mistral dash or Frost flurish

Finnaly got a demeter god drop and thats my choices basicly

or crystal beam~

[twin thistle]

uh rail? flourish ig

[silent siren]

At temple of Styx again

With 650 gold

https://i.imgur.com/EMJNYPi.jpg

What do I prioritize? Athena and poms? Or is anvil worth it? I have long knuckle and concentrated knuckle.

I might be able to buy more than that depending on what I get in temple

Mini bosses in temple ever worth it?

[twin thistle]

if you have a good build then minibosses are easier and faster

they give better rewards like dpuble the obols/health/pom lvls

or higher base rarity boons

anvil aint worth it

[silent siren]

https://i.imgur.com/K41yOY2.jpg

[twin thistle]

what do your boons look like?

[silent siren]

https://i.imgur.com/e8n8BSH.jpg

Yes I know god mode but I’ll probably turn it off after I beat hades for the first time

[twin thistle]

mhm grab the athena boon and see if you get merciful end

[silent siren]

Before or after tunnels?

[twin thistle]

rn

[silent siren]

Ok

[twin thistle]

you want to make sure you dont spend too much health in there

[silent siren]

Dang… phalanx shot, blinding flash and proud bearing

[twin thistle]

well thats unfortunate

[silent siren]

Any reccs from those choices? None are prophecy

I’m thinking blinding flash?

[twin thistle]

err well none are really all that useful. i guess proud bearing or blindling flash

[silent siren]

Ok

Yeah my call is ares so I don’t think it’s too good other than invulnerability frames

[twin thistle]

you can buy the ares boon rn?

[silent siren]

It’s 450 but yes

Before going into tunnels

[twin thistle]

yeah see what that gives you

[silent siren]

Rip I’ve gone through like half a dozen ares boons since Athena and still haven’t gotten it

Slicing shot battle rate and black metal, black metal being prophecy

[twin thistle]

well thats also terrible...

[wary cypress]

I like anvil when I have boring/lame hammers throughout my run.

[silent siren]

Hades has those explosion things right that would count for battle rage? Would that be enough to warrant getting that at 200% bonus

Or should I just go for prophecy

[twin thistle]

tbh prophecy

[silent siren]

Ok

[twin thistle]

it isnt enough to matter

[wary cypress]

There's no shame in doing god mode at all. I play on god mode all the time.

[silent siren]

Hopefully can get both poms then now with the money. Money Pom and then heart or pom money heart?

[twin thistle]

pom then heart i suppose

[silent siren]

Are the poms in the shop double?

[twin thistle]

the 300 obol ones are

[silent siren]

Ok

[hidden cape]

so for fishing are you suppose to press e the Milla second it bobs down

been unlucky a few times now lol

[twin thistle]

when it both dips and flashes. theres also a sound effect

[silent siren]

Welp

Died before even getting the sack

Can max out death defiance though

[twin thistle]

rip

[hidden cape]

oh nice i upgraded my divine dash to heroic 🙂

btw how were you guys opening the boon menu like that?

[silent siren]

B on keyboard or - on controller

[twin thistle]

tbh athena dash aint really there for the damage

[clever crest]

Jumping back into the convo 30 minutes late, but I actually have Hades as my mental warmup before I start work. I'll do 1 run, then get started on my work day

Doesn't require a ton of brain power but just enough to get the wheels turning for the day

[hidden cape]

Getting aot more use to the game beating the champ without useing my death defy, Rail triple bomb op

[clever crest]

I find champ tricky with rail, especially when he goes to his second phase

Although if most of your damage is coming from your special that helps

[hidden cape]

i focus tessus with Q

Dodge them both with q with chill effect OP

How Rng dependant is the bag drop in floor4? went threw both Mini boss doors and no drop, even had to kill tiny vermin...

https://imgur.com/a/7B6tACY

[silent siren]

So I have 3 death defs and tooth and 111/175 health, final chamber before theseus is ares or shop. I have 450 so can likely buy everything from the shop… looking to get merciful end though which is really useful

Where do I go?

[twin thistle]

uh ares in case you havent

[silent siren]

Didn’t get it but beat the champs with one death defiance

Getting more comfortable with their attacks. Theseus’ shield is probably the most annoying part of the boss

[twin thistle]

its like 54%, 30%, 13%, 3% for 2, 3, 4, 5 sack. you can get a sack from the first tunnel

[silent siren]

I’ve been getting really unlucky with trying for merciful end

[twin thistle]

what keepsake are you using for champs?

[silent siren]

Something like 9 sets of boons that I could get it from over the course of 2 games and still haven’t gotten it yet lol

[twin thistle]

or elysium rather

actually tart and aspho too

[silent siren]

I used skelly cause I’m still not comfortable with them, although is there something better? I had used both gods keepsakes and still didn’t get it

Started with Athena for better protection early game

[twin thistle]

god keepsakes will increase the chance from 12% to 22% or 10 to 20 for miniboss rooms

so basically double

assuming you have the prerequisites

[hidden cape]

Wooo beat hades

[twin thistle]

refreshing nectar and yarn or ariadne also increase by this amount

[silent siren]

Going to start upgrading whatever one increases boon and pom etc for the mirror now that I have death defiance

[silent siren]

I still haven’t maxed out ares’ keepsake but I did with Athena’s

[twin thistle]

if you want duos without an upgrade mirror then youll have to be stacking rarity increases

[hidden cape]

was a 44min run but still beat him finnaly lol on my 2nd encounter with him

[twin thistle]

the level doesnt matter for duo/legendary chance increases

if you dont have any rarity boosts then a normal boon will have a ~30% chance of giving you a duo/legendary if you have the prereqs

[silent siren]

Hoping I can get me in the temple but I’m confident I can do well in the hades fight if I do well in the temple even if I don’t get it. Chaos aspect and doom is a pretty good combo, I still only have level 3 though.

[twin thistle]

a single rarity increase ups it to ~50%

[silent siren]

Okay if there’s a boon I can get in temple I’ll see if I can get one of those. I have plenty of money

Yep one Athena boon

Oh and another in a tunnel nice

[twin thistle]

for a better chance at getting through to the end id use a different defensive keepsake like acorn or collar. since using skelly requires having all your other death defiances to be used and youre likely not clearing with no defiances anyways

[silent siren]

20% extra on impending doom or 14 extra damage on ares special?

[silent siren]

Ok, will take that into account on my next run

Wait I guess 20% is more Nevermind

https://i.imgur.com/JWCeHCJ.jpg

I presume one pom, health and Athena boon?

[hidden cape]

Well not bad 19 escape attempts to beat hades could be better but could be worse

[silent siren]

How much harder is second phase? I think I’m going into second phase with all of my death defiances… 😁

[devout terrace]

[twin thistle]

well if you dont know how to deal with the attacks then probably harder

otherwise tbh its easier without the adds in the way

especially since adds can be really annoying depending on which ones they are

[late acorn]

when you get the dire misfortune boon can you stack doom infinitely?

[twin thistle]

well until the doom procs

[late acorn]

im thinking of doing a merciful end chiron build

[twin thistle]

the increase is pretty low though

ig relentless volley helps

[late acorn]

yeah but with the chiron bow its going to stack like 12 times

yeah i got relentless

[twin thistle]

id probably grab impending doom over it unless its low rarity or your doom is low rarity

[late acorn]

but then whats the point?

without dire misfortune it'll only stack once

itll be like 11 arrows wasted

[twin thistle]

well impending doom will be more damage with a decent doom special

so more like whats the point of dire misfortune in that case

[silent siren]

Adds? I have shield so I can block his beam as well

[late acorn]

its not about the extra damage

i just need it to be able to stack

[twin thistle]

like the spawns

well the end goal of stacking is just more doom damage

[late acorn]

ill just do a dio and aphro build then

[silent siren]

I have Athena attack, dash and cast on my shield build 😂 and then doom on special

[late acorn]

thatll work better with chiron

[silent siren]

YAYYYY

Beat him finally

And with 3 death defs remaining

Athena build on shield op

[winged pollen]

pp

[silent siren]

I have two titan blood, what do I go for next? I have aspect of chaos shield at lvl 3 and zag fists at lvl 1

or do I just save it all to finish chaos shield?

[winged pollen]

any

since you can always get more titan blood

[silent siren]

what option do you think would be most enjoyable though? Also thinking of maybe getting an aspect on another weapon, I just want more variety somehow I think.

[winged pollen]

try to get nemesis or demeter aspect
both of them are fun imo

[silent siren]

is nemesis good for chunking?

that's the sword right?

[winged pollen]

not sure
i havent used it myself
ive only seen other people use it so ye

[winged pollen]

yes

[silent siren]

so every increase in heat you can get another two titan bloods for a fully complete run? In addition to that you can do that with every weapon for even more?

[gray apex]

Correct

Bounties go up to 20 Heat, and 25 Heat on a Hell mode file

[runic parrot]

nemesis is probably the fastest sword

but i wouldnt call it a heavy hitter

[winged pollen]

Charon lookin cute rn

[silent siren]

wait but 20 heat only means 42 titan blood per weapon... isn't there 4-5 aspects, 3-4 of which require 15 and the zagreus ones require 5?

meaning 50 -65

per weapon

[gray apex]

Bounties are per weapon

[runic parrot]

its 20 heat per weapon

[gray apex]

Not per aspect

So yes 42 Titan Blood with each weapon

[runic parrot]

and yes its not enough for unlocking all the aspects i dont think

there will be other venues to getting blood

[silent siren]

so are you expected to trade and buy the remaining? or is there another way by completing runs?

[gray apex]

You can get blood from prophecies

[runic parrot]

but it is the main way to get blood

[silent siren]

ok

thanks guys

[gray apex]

I actually dont remember how I got that much blood but I dont have bounties complete on fists and yet I have 150 Titan blood with all aspects maxed out

[silent siren]

ok

[runic parrot]

if i remember correctly its around 300 from prophecies and bounties

or thereabouts

unlocking all aspects' levels is just above that

[gray apex]

Yea I remember some prophecies helping a lot

So you'll have enough eventually

Wont run out of Titan blood

[runic parrot]

yep

[silent siren]

I think I'll go for nemesis with sword for now for extra variety. I want to get good with all the weapons but having the chaos aspect partially leveled is nice too when I struggle or just want an easier run

is it recommended to start with one heat?

[gray apex]

Nemesis is a great option imo

[silent siren]

I saw a crit build with it and omg it chunks crazy

[gray apex]

You can, going step by step is totally fine, I think most people do it that way

Yea Nemesis is just so good when it comes to dmg and speed

[silent siren]

if you ramp up the heat do you get all of the previous heat titan blood at once?

[runic parrot]

no

[gray apex]

No

[runic parrot]

you have to do it one-by-one

[silent siren]

so there's not really a point to ramping it up quicker?

[runic parrot]

apart from the adrenaline rush? no

[silent siren]

ok

[gray apex]

You get the bounties nonetheless

Just not all at once

If your bounties are at 12 heat and you do 20 heat you get the bounties for 12 heat

And then 13 and 14 and etc

[runic parrot]

do not use heightened security it is a beginner's trap

i like using it though lol keeps me fast at my feet

[silent siren]

cause most likely if I could make it to 10 heat meg(idk what the difficulty increase is like) then I'd be able to max out an aspect quite quickly

[gray apex]

Yea if you have any plans of pushing to high heat you'll have to get used to it eventually

[silent siren]

but now I know I have to take my time to be able to max a weapon

[gray apex]

Yea

Good heat to start with is probably like, Middle Management, Tight Deadline, Underworld Customs, Benefits Package 1, EM1, EM2, EM3

Not all at once

Just good starter ones

[silent siren]

Time to rank up artemis keepsake lol

[silent siren]

Thanks! Oh heat are run modifiers not just straight up difficulty increases like armour health and damage?

[gray apex]

Wdym

Before you start a run you can select the pacts that you want to be active during that run basically

You can give enemies health and dmg

[runic parrot]

there are some pacts that increase enemy health and dmg

calisthenics program (cp) and hard labor (hl) respectively

[silent siren]

I thought it just gradually increased enemy/boss health and damage only with nothing else, where 50 heat for example would be very hard to kill enemies.

[runic parrot]

sidenote i love how cp implies hades has the shades do an exercise regiment to become stronger

[silent siren]

oh now I see what you mean

[silent siren]

ahahaha

[gray apex]

Yea you're gonna need to turn those on for 50 Heat and enemies do become quite tougher but for earlier stages, Calisthenics program should be avoided (until 45+), and Hard Labor is a fine filler heat for a few points, you usually max this when you're going from 32 to 40

[winged pollen]

when i first unlocked the pact of punishment
i added extreme measures
idk why but i just did

[runic parrot]

i think my first time with the pact i went straight to 8 and after that i did 16 because im a masochist for added difficulty

my heart was shattered after finding out i dont get all 8 bounties at once

[gray apex]

That's recommended lol

[winged pollen]

sadge

[winged pollen]

oh
didnt knew that
cool

[silent siren]

tight deadline seems like a good one to get all the titan blood from the furies for each weapon initially... you just have to speed through and know what boons you want before going.

[gray apex]

Yes

[silent siren]

welp

[gray apex]

It should be pretty easy if you have the basics down

[runic parrot]

if you have a fast enough pace on average td2 isnt really too hard

[gray apex]

TD3 takes some practice

But it becomes easy eventually

[silent siren]

I take it you only want to do the things that give multiple heat for the condition when you get to that level (ex: if you're starting out, wait until you've collected one heat before even bothering to go after middle management)

[runic parrot]

iiii guess so?

it really depends on how you handle them lol

[gray apex]

I mean that’s a fine way to do it

[runic parrot]

i would avoid benefits package and damage control if i were starting out

[gray apex]

It’s been a while since I started so idk how I’d do it lol

Dmg control is aspect dependent

BP1 is fine

[runic parrot]

i dont remember either really lol

[mint coral]

I just slapped random pacts that sounded good without caring about the specific heat it gave

[silent siren]

I'm going to start with td1, I know I can easily beat the furies(alecto being hardest) in 9 minutes from the start

I just want to max the most enjoyable aspect for each weapon more easily so i'm probably not doing more than one heat at a time

[gray apex]

Or you can do 20 heat 20 times

[silent siren]

aka nemesis, demeter, chaos, and chiron I think/easiest

[silent siren]

would that really help me become comfortable once I start needing to do 21+ heat or would that likely just waste my time early on

[gray apex]

It would waste your time early on

Unless you’re just good enough to make a good pact and clear it consistently

[runic parrot]

do hl5 lc4 bp2 fo2

td is fine to start out with

i would go for extreme measures after that

[silent siren]

tbh getting used to td3 would probably save me the most time wouldn't it? Since td3 requires fast runs and thus doing fast runs all the time would mean I get through heat faster?

[runic parrot]

i guess?

unless you have a good rhythm and can handle getting consistent sub-20s i wouldnt recommend it

you can just play it and see how you handle it yourself lol

[gray apex]

TD3 becomes free heat at some point when you get used it to so yea

It’s good to practice with it

It only becomes a problem much later

[runic parrot]

jury summons moment

[gray apex]

Yes Jury with other stuff can start to slow you down

[silent siren]

pressure points epic is good with nemesis?

or do I get hunter dash?

[gray apex]

Hunter’s Dash is stronger

[silent siren]

ok

[gray apex]

On Nemesis your dmg comes a lot from dash striking

You should get used to the rhythm of Special followed by 2 Dash strikes or more depending on how many dashes you have

[silent siren]

jeez dash strike is two hitting enemies after getting rid of shields..

[gray apex]

Now get double edge

[silent siren]

still haven't gotten hammer...

what do I go for to pair with artemis now that I've used up artemis keepsake

[gray apex]

You can go for Aphro special heartrend

[silent siren]

ok

[lone kernel]

beam

just sayin always an option

[clever crest]

I find myself almost always taking broken spearpoint as my trinket for Temple of Styx and almost always regret it when I don't. Is this a common end run trinket or will I come to regret relying on it? Having protection from getting bursted down if I'm caught out of position seems so strong, plus helps prevent a lot of satyr poison damage

[devout terrace]

yeah its quite good, it and acorn are usually the top choices for styx

tooth can be fine but it falls off with high hard labor modifier

[clever crest]

Ok sweet. Yeah tooth used to be my go-to but then I realized that the spearpoint can prevent soooooo much damage, and prevent Hades from wombo comboing me for like 150 damage

[lone kernel]

Spear point is better if you struggle w poison, acorn is better for the dad fight

[clever crest]

(unless of course it's on cooldown which )

[lone kernel]

Yeah, it’s an imperfect solution

[devout terrace]

spearpoint still great for EM4 imo

[lone kernel]

True

[clever crest]

I can typically play it safe until the cooldown is back. My struggle with that fight is almost always getting chunked for a ton of damage in like a second, which spearpoint mitigates.

[devout terrace]

dodging a 20 damage shockwave for a 80 damage spin

[clever crest]

It's like you've watched my playthroughs!

[devout terrace]

[clever crest]

Or use my second dash right into a trap as he starts to beam

[fast willow]

wouldnt shockwave be 40 if spin 80

or does shockwave not get boosted by HL

[devout terrace]

could be the boiling blood

fron the cast

[fast willow]

shockwave doesnt benefit from that?

i thought only pots didnt since those are traps

[devout terrace]

dont remember

[mint coral]

use dark foresight to at least speed the first hammer (your 2nd hammer if you got it earlier will always appear on elysium -styx) be sure you arent picking an aspect that cant get a certain hammer, and i think using anvil in styx and getting a new hammer will count?

[chrome wharf]

check the wiki that the aspect you're playing is eligible for that hammer

[clever crest]

that makes me curious - as you increase heat, do most of you focus on one weapon/aspect or push them all? I've been pushing them all to keep things fresh, but wonder if I should just focus on a few to be more efficient with my blood and better refine my gameplay.

[gray apex]

Well it depends what you mean by pushing heat

You only need to be playing well when you add a lot of pacts together

If you can do 1 heat with the Rail you can do it with every other weapon because 1 heat isn’t anything significant in terms of difficulty increase

It depends on the heat modifier but still

[clever crest]

I mean as you start increasing heat. I'm at heat 3, but so far have been completing it with all weapons before moving to the next level

[gray apex]

Yea it’s up to preference I would say

I did do all weapons 32-40 etc before going a bit higher

[runic parrot]

i still havent gotten the bounties past 5 heat for the spear lol

[last veldt]

So I'm trying to do a "fresh file to credits" run in as few attempts as possible. I'm now at 3 wins in 6 runs (3 fails then 3 wins). I'm using bow but not sure if it's going to be with trying to unlock more weapons with heat or just farm darkness for the mirror. I've got everything down to extra casts maxed except for missing one DD, so I can start runs with 150 health using the collar if I want or start using god keepsakes.

Any thoughts on strategies for the next 6 attempts?

(I might try for 32 heat for the last run just to cheese the Skelly statue, but without upgrades on weapons the feels like a bad idea tbh)

[devout terrace]

Unlock rail-aspects unlock-titan blood in eris

While also giving nectar to zeus posideon and artemis

[last veldt]

I don't think I'd have the Titan blood for it

I've just unlocked spear and still have shield to go. Fists and rail need 8 each I think.

And rail is last

So unlocking rail would need 9 more runs I think

I might unlock fists if I sacrifice getting much more darkness

[signal aspen]

fists and rail need 8 titan blood to unlock?

[last veldt]

I think that's what the Wiki said

[signal aspen]

they need keys

[last veldt]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Infernal_Arms

[signal aspen]

[last veldt]

Doh

Either way I'm short on keys too.

I just spent the last keys I have on spear so getting 21 more in the next 6 runs feels unlikely (3 for shield, 8 for fists and rail)

[signal aspen]

i think you can do it

and cant you trade something for keys too?

[last veldt]

Same problem, different resource

Maybe

10 gems gets me a key, but I just spent gems on opening the lounge to get the broker at all.

I'd forgotten how stingey the game is with gems early on

[high island]

You can only pick up 2 hammers a run. And there's a 50% chance for an Anvil in the 4th biome shop, which will replace one of your hammer upgrades with 2 random ones.

[last veldt]

And the next mirror section is 20 keys, so probably not getting that by the end.

[brisk trail]

I have to choose between Charon and Sisyphus, I hate this

[signal aspen]

bouldy

[brisk trail]

I went for Sisyphus cause I have story part with him

[feral belfry]

I want a bouldy spin off game

I gave him nectar and he gave me 1 hp

[feral belfry]

No regrets

[craggy grail]

does anyone feel that dark-thirst RNG is a little unbalanced in weapon selection? I've only been doing DT runs on a new save, and every weapon is up to 5-6 heat, and shield is at 1.

[mint coral]

I mean is just random, seen it stuck a lot on shield sometimes

Also just use it if you want

[feral belfry]

I like how the trader guy is essentially a drug dealer because you can trade for nectar and ambrosia, the forbidden contraband

[lone kernel]

may as well do a shield run then, dark thirst is a suggestion

[oak gull]

Had a good time trying to upgrade 2x boons on rarity with our favourite muse and she damn-diddily upgraded my athena attack and ares special to heroic.

On zeus shield.

[lone kernel]

based

[oak gull]

got my merciful end straight after

almost straight after, but that's just a small detail

[feral belfry]

I've yet to get merciful end to pop

[runic parrot]

ooh yeah i havent tried ME on zeus shield

that might be fun

[lone kernel]

That’s a based idea

I might try it too lol give it a hwirl

[mint coral]

Meus is fun yeah

best is that you can pick either attack or special doom

[runic parrot]

i think special would be better

esp if you get div dash

just throw that thing and dash into them repeatedly

[feral belfry]

That sounds so fun

[buoyant valley]

What is an Ambiguity Bonus?

[mint coral]

nothing

[last veldt]

Trolling.

[buoyant valley]

nice

[runic parrot]

it buffs how much bouldy loves you.

[calm zenith]

I learned all the weapons together

I think that has it's own benefit since you dont develop blindspots

And you see bosses and other combat from multiple angles

Obviously not all aspects. That's a bit chaotic. But really I just went for the darkness weapon

You kinda need to progress multiple weapons to get a lot of blood

[hidden cape]

Should i save my gems for Vanquishers keep or buy Darker thirst * i have heat unlocked just doing all weps to hades * before i start heats~

[twin thistle]

darker thirst doesnt do much without vanquishers

so get that ig

[weary lantern]

aspect of gilgamesh is the last one I need and I've done plenty of runs today and still don't have it

[modern garnet]

That one's tougher because the character you need to talk to is harder to get to than the others

[weary lantern]

heck yeah lol. It's easy to get to but just time consuming

and its still a 50-50 spawn rate

[fast willow]

wait i just realised that if you use the speedrun modpack before unlocking gilgamesh then you cant get it until you uninstall the modpack

[twin thistle]

well you can change the miniboss setting to vanilla cant you

[fast willow]

i dont know if that works properly

since when i open the mod menu again the option is back on leaderboard without me changing it

[twin thistle]

[devout terrace]

lol

Wanting to unlock gilgamesh

[twin thistle]

gotta do dash% runs

[lone kernel]

Unlock it with mods

Or kill Theseus first and go like

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-cant-we-settle-this-over-a-pint-drink-cheers-gif-16262671

[brisk trail]

I hate how Hades constantly laughs at me when I die, It makes me wanna cry, HYPNOS ISN'T HELPING AT ALL

[feral belfry]

She's just asleep tho

[high island]

He.

[devout terrace]

[silent siren]

I think I might delete hades off the computer

Final exam season is coming up and if I’m going to buy the game on steam I’ll have to reset anyways, and it has been heavily distracting.

[last veldt]

Fair enough. It is quite easy to lose a lot of time in it. Don't let a computer game spoil your education.

[formal quarry]

ok im in asphodel

and have two choice

either get a boon from athena or ares

both are boss battles

[reef pollen]

i just beat hades for the first time last night, and oh my (greek) god, what an incredible experience. can’t wait to do it again

[formal quarry]

what do i do?

[formal quarry]

epic

me who cant get past asphodel or elysium

[reef pollen]

this game is so addicting

[formal quarry]

without using my 2 death defiances

[reef pollen]

you’ll get there!

[formal quarry]

bruh

🥶

well

what should i chose?

athena or ares boon

[reef pollen]

depends what build you want, and what you got so far

[formal quarry]

both are boss battles

[reef pollen]

athena is great if you need deflections and take a lot of damage

[formal quarry]

basically

[reef pollen]

ares is nice for his doom effect

what is your weapon?

[formal quarry]

stygian b lade

where do i view boons?

[reef pollen]

r u on pc or console?

[formal quarry]

pc

[reef pollen]

idk then, but you can view your own boons in the middle of a run, and later in the game, u can buy a codex addition to see all possible boons

[formal quarry]

o alr

well i have the dash deflect

for athena

and doom attack for ares

[reef pollen]

dash deflect is incredible

[formal quarry]

i think the special poseidon

[reef pollen]

if you still need a cast, go athena

[formal quarry]

alr

thanks

[reef pollen]

i like her cast a lot more than ares’

[formal quarry]

prolly medusa

i gotta fight

[reef pollen]

both of them have good calls

[formal quarry]

oh wait its the barge

[lone kernel]

Get Athena special and merciful end

easy game

[reef pollen]

you got this @formal quarry

[formal quarry]

thanks

[reef pollen]

prioritize the blue gem bois, they shield the others

[formal quarry]

ye

wooo time for the

hydra

[reef pollen]

yay!

[formal quarry]

NOOOOI DIED

i hate tisphone

takes all my death efy

[reef pollen]

aw no! you’ll get there!

[lone kernel]

so is charged volley good

i cant decide if i like it or not but like

charged skewer

charged kick

all very based hammers

so idk

[mint coral]

What is charged kick lol, flying cutter or kinetic launcher?

[devout terrace]

[fast willow]

clearly its rush kick

[lone kernel]

whichever the once you charge is lol

charged shot is apparently good too

for everyone who isnt me

(wrt Beo at least)

[mint coral]

Both of the hammers i mentioned lets you charge it lmao

[lone kernel]

malphon is definitely my weakest weapon lol

dont know all the hammers

the hadouken thing was fun tho

[formal quarry]

[lone kernel]

anyway back to original q

charged volley also gud?

or kinda just ok

[gray apex]

Usable

Would avoid

If I have the chance

And if I pick it up I wont use it

[lone kernel]

word

yeah i had a weird zag bow run last night with it

[signal aspen]

It can actually do some good damage

[lone kernel]

feels like it needs to be point blank to be useful

i barely if ever use zag bow special as is

maybe if i get stuck with ares in tartarus before i purge doom special idk

[gray apex]

yea

[fast willow]

you cant get charged volley on the 2 aspects that use special (not that you would use it on rama regardless)

so whats the point

[raw herald]

Charged volley Rama

Get that +200% damage per 5 damage arrow

[fast willow]

with 15 damage per shot you can kill numbskulls with an arrow volley finally

highly optimal hammer for sure

[raw herald]

All I want is concentrated volley with Rama

Concentrated + relentless would make the second volley deal 245(?) base damage

[fast willow]

wym second volley

[raw herald]

If you fire 2 volleys

Assuming the consecutive hits applies in between volleys

[mint coral]

Chiron does that with special speed so maybe

[winged wadi]

So uh, does build really matter? Like do I need to have a certain set up? Bc I usually just wing it and take what I can get, and if I get to pick between two gods, I usually just go with ares or Athena when I can

[raw herald]

Depends on what you’re trying to do

If you are trying to break speedrun world records then sure, your build matters

If you want to have fun, it doesn’t

[twin thistle]

a good build will make it easier

[winged wadi]

Ah, okay. Bc I usually just wing it and don't care about speed runs

[chrome wharf]

basically winning is a combination of skill, build and RNG

If you have good skill then a build can matter less

[lone kernel]

Basically you’re supposed to wing it until you figure out what works well together, then you go in with a rough outline of a plan but are forced to improvise anywya just nature of the game

[winged wadi]

Makes sense, I usually just try my best to just.. not die, and half the time, unless it's ares or Athena(acceptions for Dio, posideon and occasionally chaos), I don't bother with boons.

[strong ridge]

boons are generally top priority

[last veldt]

For me Ares is the god whose boons I prefer least. There's only one or two I would consider worth taking over those of other gods

[strong ridge]

every god has their place in a build some mroe than others

[winged wadi]

I just like the doom effect

Plus I'm a rip n tear kinda guy, so it's good for me, then Athena's deflection I find very useful

[brisk trail]

man the rng still haven’t give me meg cutscene

[winged wadi]

Sad moment

[brisk trail]

also chaos area fish

[lone kernel]

Just wait til bee gamer gets

[winged wadi]

What's that

[chrome wharf]

merciful end

[winged wadi]

What

There are different endings???

[gray apex]

It's a duo boon

Athena Ares

[calm zenith]

Deflect automatically triggers doom damage +40 or something like that

[devout terrace]

Basically one of the strongest duos in the game

Probably top 3

[calm zenith]

That 40 scales with global damage like normal doom dmg and I think it works with impending doom. cant crit though. Big effect is auto proccing doom with just a dash strike

[devout terrace]

It does not scale

[calm zenith]

Ah so its nothing

[devout terrace]

40 from ME bonus stays at 40

[calm zenith]

Fair honestly

It just shouldnt do that then

[devout terrace]

[calm zenith]

It's an unneeded effect

[devout terrace]

Well sometimes its really helpful

[calm zenith]

Ig it can just do enough to kill

[devout terrace]

If you're running a lv1 common doom attack and get ME thats doing 120 instead of 80

Sounds good to me

[calm zenith]

Yeah

[devout terrace]

Does become more trivial with late scaling

[calm zenith]

I'm too used to Rama doom damage

I should ME that

[devout terrace]

its quite something

[winged wadi]

I want it now

[devout terrace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/859828075599757342/50Rama.png

By astaos

[chrome wharf]

RaME is cool because even if you don't get ME you're still left with a good build

just gotta hit that Divine Strike before Doom hits

[calm zenith]

I would go divine dash tbh

[chrome wharf]

it's AP1

[devout terrace]

Didnt really plan for raME hehe

[gray apex]

I think this one by Astaos was totally unintentional lol

yea

[calm zenith]

Fair

[devout terrace]

It was arti dash start

[calm zenith]

You need the dps more

[high island]

Builds are typically focused on 2-3 gods. So if you want to focus on Lady Athena and Lord Ares, take a look at their Duo Boon and how to get the most out of it and what you need to unlock it. And then also look at the other gods and which of their boons can complement your strategy.

[reef pollen]

aye just beat hades a second time! 2-run streak

[high island]

And then as you get more experienced, you can keep refining your build and maybe try some other ones.

[high island]

Congratulations!

[reef pollen]

thank you! got my ass beat next time though 😂

[sullen stratus]

Any tips for 32 Heat? It’s my last goal I have for Hades but I’m struggling with ||EM3 Asterius|| on top of all the other 32 Heat stuff. So far the best I’ve gotten is ||Theseus|| using Eris

I used a heat guide and have a pretty decent setup, I’m just struggling with the actual execution

[winged wadi]

I wanna beat hades with the heat as high as I can make it just to torture myself

[sullen stratus]

Also a goal I have, but 32 seems like a good place to start

[twin thistle]

pact?

oh the one pinned ig

asterius is a pretty big pain mostly in his charges. good to have a call handy to i frame those. for his jumping attacks, you mostly want to keep in mind that he can do 3 in a row and will leap at your current spot. so double dash away, then wait for him to start leaping to dash, or dash into his previous landing spot

also generally just try to keep behind him

[sullen stratus]

Uhh I don’t have a screenshot on me but its
Lasting 50%
Jury summons 80%
Convenience fee max (unsure on %)
EM3
Customs, Middle Management
Dam Control 2
Deadline 7 minutes
Among a few others

Hadn’t thought to make a point of staying behind him, mostly I just try to keep my distance

But I guess that increases his likelihood to do the jump attack

Tips for the big spin attack? I end up getting caught in it and taking upwards of 50 damage because its so big and multihits

[twin thistle]

uh okay first of all you want to exchange jury summons with td3. otherwise elysium will eat your defiances

[sullen stratus]

That is true

[twin thistle]

also how many defiances are you going into champs with and are you losing them all

[sullen stratus]

I had 2 and ||Acorn|| going in

[twin thistle]

because 32 heat is usually better off with stubborn defiance and max lc

what's your hard labor and forced overtime looking like?

[sullen stratus]

Overtime 1, hard labor 0

I heard its better to go all into either HL or LC and not both if you can avoid it

[twin thistle]

what are your other heats?

[sullen stratus]

Just a sec and I can find it

[twin thistle]

actually might be easier like this. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895331680062165022/912482965827772426/Hades_11_22_2021_3_21_07_PM.png

this is what I'd recommend mirror and pact wise

[sullen stratus]

HL 0
LC 50%
CF 80%
JS 40% (I was wrong, it was CF that was 80%)
EM3
Calisthenics 0
Benefits 2
Mid Man
Customs
Overtime 20%
Security off
Damage Control 2
Approval process 1
And Deadline 7 minutes

[twin thistle]

okay yeah routine inspections is something you really dont want

especially on eris

[sullen stratus]

No healing could be rough, and I’m not great with Stubborn healing just yet

[twin thistle]

its not worth the 2 heat until like over 45 heat

[sullen stratus]

Oh youre right it was just AP

But you are also right I hadn’t thought of using stubborn until upwards of 45

[twin thistle]

stubbornless 40 heat would be really hard. at 32 its a bit more of a toss up

well id swap in td3 and get rid of js2 and lower cf to 1 at least

[sullen stratus]

I see
Also you think Deadline is better than summons to take then? I took more than I thought I would be comfortable with because Zeus is good with dealing with crowds, especially if you get a decent Jolt and Storm Lightning

[twin thistle]

thats the same reason why tight deadline 3 is preferrable on eris

its very fast at clearing so td3 shouldnt be hard to keep up with

[sullen stratus]

That does make sense

Why convenience fee? midshops are helpful but their primary use for me is skipping encounters to avoid TD

[lone kernel]

For LC, either LC4 and stubborn or neither lol

[sullen stratus]

And end shops are almost always avoidable

[lone kernel]

50 p LC and dd harder than 100 p and sd

[lone kernel]

To buy boons

[twin thistle]

buying boons and health is gonna make encounters a lot easier

[lone kernel]

If you don’t get jolted on a Zeus run in Tartarus at high heat you’re gonna lose

[sullen stratus]

Oh for Customs or just for quantity?

[twin thistle]

both

[lone kernel]

You gotta have food for the pool

CF also makes it way harder to use the well items@

360 for a dd hurts

[twin thistle]

also anything else other than stubborn defiance where your mirror differs?

[sullen stratus]

That is true, I thought the blow would be lessened by customs requiring a purge

[twin thistle]

until youre forced to sell a boon you dont want to

[sullen stratus]

I think im using shadow presence and Stygian soul

The one that doesn’t recharge

[twin thistle]

shadow vs fiery basically doesnt matter

but the recharging cast gives you a better hermes pool

[sullen stratus]

Yeah I figured I can hit backstabs more than the first hit

[lone kernel]

Sometimes you’ll purge a random common boon you don’t care about

But sometimes you’ll get splash dash, lightning strike and jolted

At the pool

[sullen stratus]

Really? Are there just less cast-related boons from Hermes with infernal soul?

[twin thistle]

stygian is the recharging one btw

and yeah it has 1 instead of 2

[sullen stratus]

I did have splash dash and got robbed of sea storm twice :/

[twin thistle]

also auto reload opens up bad news instead of greater recall

tbh seastorm isnt really needed

[sullen stratus]

I didn’t think so but it sucked seeing green boon behind the Approval Process

[twin thistle]

bad news is bugged to be a 50% global damage increase instead of just casts when you dont have a bloodstone lodged

so its basically a common rush delivery hypersprint combo

tbh unlikely to get it though

[sullen stratus]

Wait thats actually crazy

[twin thistle]

instead of removing 1 from cf you could also remove ap1 and add a lvl of hard labor instead

[lone kernel]

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance

🌹 > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

i take it thats already been posted here actually

but

[twin thistle]

though like start zeus for eris

[lone kernel]

true

[twin thistle]

unless youre nyaa

[lone kernel]

priorities: zeus attack, splash dash, jolted

breaking wave

(can be later on)

chonky special

aphro special opening up smoldering air is super based

[sullen stratus]

That would be my next question, I have found Eris is broken as balls because of the global damage modifier, but is there a better weapon to start 32 heat with?

[twin thistle]

tbh might want to just grab ddash for the safety

[lone kernel]

Nope, because Eris is super broken

[twin thistle]

eris does enough dps with just jolted

eris is probably the easiest

[lone kernel]

Jolted and splash dash will get through Tartarus then it’ll be fine lol

It really depends on your own comfort

[twin thistle]

other contenders ig are beowulf, rama, zeus, hestia

[lone kernel]

Divine dash is def safer tho

All good choices lol

[sullen stratus]

Yeah my best run Tartarus took half as long as the run prior trying to do guan yu for the heal spins

Died to ||Tisiphone||

[lone kernel]

Guan yu heal spins are a trap

Literally the only time you should ever use them is ||em4 if a doom stone spawns you can restore like 40 health by throwing spins||

[sullen stratus]

I had gathered as much, even with quick spin

[twin thistle]

just use the spin for damage https://imgur.com/a/6ickiUT

not getting hit while spinning is a bit harder than not getting hit not spinning

[lone kernel]

Based

[devout terrace]

Guys I think unananas likes zeus builds

[sullen stratus]

Dang now im a little tempted to do a super soaker build

Wouldn’t make it out of Tartarus but it would be fun

[devout terrace]

Hehe

[sullen stratus]

Ok could you guys help me a little with the logistics of Subborn healing?

[twin thistle]

ye

[sullen stratus]

Also confused how people also get a bonus Athena DD sometimes but not always

[twin thistle]

youll get the athena dd if you have an empty stubborn defiance slot from having already used it up before grabbing her

[winged wadi]

Is it possible to transfer saves onto other accounts bc my hades save file is on my dad's steam

[sullen stratus]

Ok so always lose a SD before picking up Athena

[twin thistle]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/uj036

[mint coral]

first athena dont, cause for the DD boons to appear you need a core of her first (except call iirc)

you may have more than it would restore

[winged wadi]

did you reply to the wrong message

[sullen stratus]

I did sorry

[twin thistle]

speedrun.com information on save files

[winged wadi]

So this is for steam right? Sorry I'm blind and stupid

[winged wadi]

not u

[twin thistle]

its for steam

[sullen stratus]

So other than being above the SD health threshold is there any reason to not be losing SDs in every chamber?

[winged wadi]

[twin thistle]

well going out of your way to lose your sd takes time

[sullen stratus]

Ohhh and with deadline that can lead to an early end

[twin thistle]

if you have a decent health chunk and dont see yourself fully dying the next room then might as well not pop it

[sullen stratus]

Cool thank you :D

If i have more questions I’ll come back with them

Ok well that was a quick turnaround, got a hammer chamber 1 with Cluster Bomb, H Bomb and Spread fire
I freaking loved spread fire on zag rail, but is it any good on 32 H?

[lone kernel]

It’s decent but take cluster bomb and Eris for best results

[mint coral]

spread fire on eris isnt really that good

[twin thistle]

its terrible with zeus attack especially

[sullen stratus]

Is cluster bomb worth going for then?

[raw herald]

Yes

Especially when combined with rocket bomb

[sullen stratus]

Oh yeah I totally meant to say cluster rocket but I’ve also got to get very lucky for that

But I guess cluster bomb has more overall coverage for the buff

[lone kernel]

Clockets takes some luck to get but like…it is so based

Wins the game for you

And yeah if you get a chaos special buff and a chonk special boon

Drop 300 damage bombs in the entire room

[sullen stratus]

It is absolutely ridiculous

[lone kernel]

Even without rocket it’s poggers

Spread fire basically only useful on zag rail. You can do 32 heat w anything but I’d say let’s stick with Eris for now

[sullen stratus]

Sweet thank you again :D

[lone kernel]

Gl buddy

[sullen stratus]

Took Zag rail and spread fire

Got ||Hades|| down to 1/4 health and lost it

[twin thistle]

hugging dad with spread fire kinda risky

[lone kernel]

Yeah, but if that was 32 heat and you got that far, you got this with Eris

[sullen stratus]

How did you know??

[stuck sentinel]

just checked and apparently ive only used spread fire once in 281 attempts

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/912519556969426984/unknown.png

[sullen stratus]

With some luck I’ll have it by the end of the week tho :D

It’s kinda rare ngl, and only really works with zag rail

[twin thistle]

yeah. eris is much more consistent

[sullen stratus]

With Eris you only have 6 shots and Hestia doesn’t work at all, and you can’t even have it offered for ||lucy||

[stuck sentinel]

i mean it works for hestia

[twin thistle]

zag rail is kinda the only aspect you want it on

[stuck sentinel]

it just doesn't do anything help

[sullen stratus]

I like it because it makes me feel a bit like I’ve got the Super Shotgun from Doom, which is perhaps the most childish reason to like a hammer but it is what it is

[stuck sentinel]

thats def not the most childish thing lol

i almost always pick up poseidon if i can just because i like hearing his voice

[sullen stratus]

Ahhh, Little Hades!

[stuck sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/912520950849880064/unknown.png

[sullen stratus]

Nice

I think my most used hammer is Delta Chamber, from back when I couldn’t understand the concept of reloading lol

[stuck sentinel]

nice

delta chamber is kinda fun

just doing big burst shots

[sullen stratus]

Oh, it’s actually rocket bomb. I’ll admit I wasn’t expecting that

Oh but I totally was expecting breaching skewer to be last, only 1 out of 288

[stuck sentinel]

Hey

Mines also rocket bomb

second is sudden rush

[sullen stratus]

Somehow breaching cross is my #2??

Almost never make a conscious effort to take it, I guess I just end up with it because a lot of fist hammers are a little gimmicky for me

[twin thistle]

well its probably the best fists hammer

[sullen stratus]

Yeah, I enjoy the hadokken one but it can be inconsistent, especially if you play with it on Dem aspect

[stuck sentinel]

5 out of my top 6 hammers are rail lol

[sullen stratus]

Rail realty benefits from hammers but aren’t reliant on them like the spear

[stuck sentinel]

True

its probably also because I use rail a lot more than any other aspect

[sullen stratus]

I remember when I was still in the process of unlocking all the weapons, and I jokingly predicted to a friend that the last weapon after the fists would be a gun

You can imagine my surprise when I was right

[inner tinsel]

Just finished collecting all bounties! The Pact holds no more sway over this guy. Friggin' bow...

Anyone else have a tendency to notice Zagreus say "Should check the garden" after already committing to heading into the bedroom?

Sucks, man. I'm about that dialogue

Missing all kinds of touching scenes

[sullen stratus]

As far as I know, if you’ve gotten all the bounties the ‘should check the garden’ line let’s you know there’s someone there, but often (if not all in your case) it’s the filler dialogue you get when there isn’t an ! above their head

Even so, it is still very frustrating

[barren ocean]

nice

[inner tinsel]

Gah, so I just missed a scene where they were gonna commend me for my Pact work? Daaaamnitttt

[chrome wharf]

was Hades at the desk when you came in?

If he's at the desk, then Persephone is in the garden. she has a handful of story dialogue, mostly about the relationship between Zag and Hades

[inner tinsel]

i think they were both away, so I should have realized

Feel like I just cheated myself out of my paltry reward for all that punishment 😦 lol

[chrome wharf]

If he isn't at the desk when he's supposed to be, then he's with Persephone in the garden. They have 3 long conversations, and if you got all 3, it's quick one-liners

Hades will always be at his desk when he gets Pact convos

[inner tinsel]

Surely they were about to pump my tires for being so skillful

[chrome wharf]

the garden lines aren't about the pact

[inner tinsel]

Oh okay. Just generic?

Not such a big deal then. I might just see the same thing later?

[chrome wharf]

yeah. have you gotten all 3 long ones?

[inner tinsel]

Couldn't say for sure.. This is my second go around with this game, the first being back in Jan-Feb

they happen in a sequence?

[chrome wharf]

from the top of my head, the Pact-related lines happen the first time you get all bounties, failing EM4, and winning EM4

[inner tinsel]

Nice! So I should have heard a line about the bounties, if i had already seen the 3 long scenes

[chrome wharf]

the 3 long convos between Hades and Persephone happen in a sequence, yeah. Persephone also has some solo garden lines

[inner tinsel]

I think I've probably seen all of those

[chrome wharf]

the bounty line is only when Hades is at his desk

[inner tinsel]

Oh. Gotcha

[chrome wharf]

I'm a dad simp so I sorta know all his lines

[inner tinsel]

lol. nice

[chrome wharf]

https://youtu.be/BQlOk4CmN9A?t=1378

that's the start of the garden lines

I probably have the pact-related lines recorded on my switch too, but haven't compiled them properly yet

[inner tinsel]

This is great, thanks. I did see the date scenes

Well I dunno, then. I think he might have been at the desk when I got back from final bounty but if so he just said something like "You're kinda useful". Nothing special. Maybe I'll just do another run and see what happens!

[hidden cape]

Whats the best heat modification's to use when starting out>

Like the least hard heat modification

[chrome wharf]

extreme measures since it only hits the boss room(s)

damage control if you use fists and rail not called Hestia

hardest is prob Forced Overtime

or Benefits Package

[vapid narwhal]

what is your heat target?

FO1 on itself is OK, it's the combination with certain pacts that makes it deadly

[chrome wharf]

oh yeah and Heightened Security

[gray apex]

Middle management, Underworld customs and Tight deadline are also good ones

[runic parrot]

heightened security

[twin thistle]

dont ever touch routine inspections

or ap2

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/912590487267995648/Screenshot_20211122-222829_Reddit.jpg didya know that chiron is the best aspect

[gray apex]

Obviously

[full nexus]

Yes kinda knew it

[brisk trail]

"Chiron"

[devout terrace]

Chiron tho

[brisk trail]

He's Charon

[devout terrace]

Chiron the bull the centaur the man

[brisk trail]

Bull?????

Excuse me??

Man is a horse, Why you call him a bull

[devout terrace]

[brisk trail]

[whole comet]

i say absolutely avoid Calisthnic program (CP), routine inspection (RI)

but should try out all the EM when u hit that heat, like EM1 for heat 1, EM2 for heat 3 etc

[runic parrot]

go straight to forced overtime 2 and hard labor 5

bp1 too for a chance to get speedy

[whole comet]

middle management and benefit packages were good to learn it asap, so also suggest u try them out

oh right, heighted security, also should avoid

[twin thistle]

ap

[whole comet]

hard labor 1-2 is still easy, HL3 could get rough, and HL4-5 is prolly best to avoid unless you're really good

Last conseuence 1-2 prolly isn't that bad, but LC3-4 if u use SD, it isn't bad

Convience fee 1-2 is great if you dun do TD3, and easy to force you to save up gold for blood/diamond for Styx

since CF would not affect the blood/diamond price

[brittle canyon]

Ahhhh I so nearly beat it on eight heat to get whatever is under that cover (no spoilers please), but died because I ran out of time D: I had to do all of the temple of Styx chambers to get it which is really annoying

[whole comet]

lol heat 8, u could just do EM3 MM

or EM3 BP1

[brittle canyon]

What's that?

[whole comet]

extreme measure 3

middle management or benefit package 1

[brittle canyon]

What does that one do

[whole comet]

EM only makes boss harder

and MM makes mini-boss harder

[brittle canyon]

Ah ok

I'll try that

Thanks

[whole comet]

BP1 adds extra ability to armored units

[brittle canyon]

Yeah, I was using that one

But the max time is what caught me out

[whole comet]

TD3?

personally i never like TD if i still want darkness/gem/fish lol

or the chest

i guess it's fine once u unlock all the bounties

[brittle canyon]

Ah ok

Thanks for the tips

[whole comet]

btw

do u still go for chest?

[twin thistle]

i just dont have a point doing troves timer or not

[feral belfry]

I have to purge 1 boon and i rolled heart rend, heatbreak strike, and hunters mark

pain

both are epic

[vapid narwhal]

hunters mark

[high island]

Yeah, just purge the one that's not from Lady Aphrodite. Easy.

[feral belfry]

easy choice because the others are so good but still pain, i had some other trash boons that didn't get picked

[high island]

Fated Persuasion lets you reroll Pools of Purging.

[low egret]

i need help choosing a weapon
ive only finished the game 17 times with the shield but all the vids ive seen dont use the shield
they use the rail thingy
i can consistently finish the game with shield of chaos (havent lost since my first clear) but i was just wondering whether i should go with the flow of the majority
or stick with the shield
oh yea aspect of zeus currently

[brisk trail]

again, play what you like

[twin thistle]

what vid you talking about?

[brisk trail]

also shield is the best weapon prob

its verrry powerful

[twin thistle]

yeah zeus and beo are some of the strongest aspects if not the strongest

[low egret]

lol i just sometimes go on yt and browse them speedruns

and they are all using

like

the rails

and uh

spears

[low egret]

i love it but its so slow

or

[twin thistle]

beowulf is one of the fastest aspects

[low egret]

im just bad

[low egret]

oh fr?

[brisk trail]

the record for seeded is beowulf isnt it

[twin thistle]

yep

[brisk trail]

yeah

shield is cracked

[low egret]

i have the zeus thing

its hella litty

[brisk trail]

and zeus holds the record for heat rn

[low egret]

what is it?

60?

[brisk trail]

64

[twin thistle]

zeus isnt particularly fast compared to other aspects but its crazy good at heat

[low egret]

woah

[twin thistle]

well 64 routed

[low egret]

whats the hidden aspect

does it like boost ur damage

[brisk trail]

you shouldnt base your casual play preferces on speedruns anyway

unless you wanna speedrun yourself

[twin thistle]

basically hera but your casts just explode around you

at the end of a bullrush

but like beo also has a couple bugs making it a bit stupid powerful and is kinda a better hera with cshot anyways

[pseudo pumice]

are any of the zagreus aspects worth using?

[twin thistle]

zag bow and fists mostly

zag sword and spear are garbage

[pseudo pumice]

I do like the bow and fists ones so thats good

how about shield though?
is the 15 damage worth it?

[twin thistle]

well aspects 3 and 4 are just a lot better

[pseudo pumice]

thats fair

[twin thistle]

just being a shield makes it good compared to most aspects

same goes for zag rail though its much worse than hestia or eris

[pseudo pumice]

the zagreus rail seems completely pointless to me since you can just reload while dashing

[twin thistle]

yeah its only good for spread fire

[low egret]

yea i tried the defaul rail on skelly and i hated it

[twin thistle]

otherwise its just a worse eris

[low egret]

i dealt like 40 damages per minute

[twin thistle]

zag rail base dps is pretty bad

but zeus boons makes up for it

but just stick those on eris

[devout terrace]

Zag shield is the best aspect in the game

Zag Shield isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw an aspect with such damage and style? Zag shield puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an aspect with it's style and power again. Beowulf breaks records. Zeus breaks records. Zag Shields breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[pseudo pumice]

zag shield is also cheap

[devout terrace]

Get charged shot or pulv blow hammers

And artemis attack-passion dash-heart rend

[low egret]

pulv blow my lover

[low egret]

the shield is good with artemis?

[devout terrace]

Artemis attack ye

Aphrodite attack also a good option

[low egret]

i thought hers was just critical damage

[devout terrace]

Aim for smoldering air if you can

[low egret]

i barely choose artemis :)

[devout terrace]

: (

Best girl

[low egret]

which boons do u get for the shield then

[twin thistle]

if get funny hunters mark it gud

[pseudo pumice]

i like artemis with high attack speed weapons and hammer upgrades

[twin thistle]

i just do funny zeus special explosive return stuff on zag and chaos shield

[devout terrace]

[low egret]

i have questions

[devout terrace]

[low egret]

am i allowed to paste a youtube link

[devout terrace]

As long as its not self promoting

I think?

[low egret]

coz this dude just dealt 3k damage instantly with shield and i wanna know how

ok well whats life without risks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxiOm-y7KmQ

[gray apex]

Just beowulf things

[low egret]

go to like 7:15

[gray apex]

[brisk trail]

beo moment

[low egret]

how

how tho

[devout terrace]

Beo moment

[low egret]

tf

[twin thistle]

smh just 3k

[low egret]

JSUT?

[gray apex]

Mirage shot probably

[devout terrace]

Check his build at the end

[gray apex]

That’s about all you need

[low egret]

hes got festive fog and uh

the hidden aspect

[brisk trail]

beo gets most of his dmg off of the casts exploding

[gray apex]

Yea festive fog pom scaling is broken and mirage shot is broken and beo is broken

[twin thistle]

mirage shot is bugged to do 100% instead of 30% dmg on beo