Darkness are nice for me since i heal from them and i ahvent unlock the whole mirror yet
#h1-discussion
modern pollen
Yeah but keys are so useless after you get max mirror tiers and all the arms
twin thistle
dark regeneration is advised against unless youre doing actual darkness farming
keys = nectar and titan blood
stable summit
Yeah but keys are so useless after you get max mirror tiers and all the arms
You can trade them...
And they give reroll
so not useless at all
gray apex
Dark regeneration is best used at high heat when you have LC4 on
twin thistle
big brain
stable summit
Dark regeneration is better period imo
modern pollen
You can use the broker and restart the mirror and thats all the keys do
twin thistle
it really isnt....
modern pollen
After you get the arms and. Max mirror tiers yeah
stable summit
You can use the broker and restart the mirror and thats all the keys do
They give rerolls in your runs if you bought the thing on the contractor
whole comet
Lol but what if u still get blood and diamond from boss room XD
stable summit
Lol but what if u still get blood and diamond from boss room XD
Sisyphus heals more from dark regeneration than from food
modern pollen
Oh yeah I haven't got those deluxe contracter things because I spent all my diamonds on the batcage and the erebus gate
twin thistle
ig its okay with sisyphus at least
modern pollen
Yeah I didnt know I needed 5 heat to access them and I haven't even beaten 4 heat so
twin thistle
erebus gates are probably the last upgrade you should get
whole comet
It’s not just 5 heat, it could be max 15 heat
modern pollen
What
stable summit
IT'S not only about the heat...
whole comet
But really, usually it’s not worth to go in
stable summit
It's the fact that if you get hit only once in those you loose the reward and get a trolly 1 hp
Erebus gates are garbage most of the time
signal aspen
It's the fact that if you get hit only once in those you loose the reward and ge...
you just bad
stable summit
prolly but you sure love those butterfly with fast shooting archer erebus room!
stable summit
Big brain
modern pollen
Wo
last veldt
Question: Does the light of Ixion stop working of you finish an area? I'm doing farming runs for gems and darkness, and multiple times I've bought this and Chaos simply hasn't appeared. Twice I bought it just before the sisters and would expect it to show up in the first Tartarus room, but it didn't.
signal aspen
the ixion stays if you enter a room that cant have a chaos gate
so if you have an ixion during the meg fight
it will stay and make a chaos gate appear in the first asphodel chamber
last veldt
Well that's simply not true
signal aspen
last veldt
Twice I've got it just before Meg, and twice no chaos.
signal aspen
bruh
gray apex
Record it
potent falcon
Mhmhmhehehe time for a debate of some sort to commence
gray apex
signal aspen
bruh
last veldt
But in sure it's happened many times before
signal aspen
modern pollen
It's the fact that if you get hit only once in those you loose the reward and ge...
What does it give of you win
stable summit
the loot that was shown prior entering the room
stable summit
i couldnt explain it more clearly, indeed
modern pollen
Damn
lone kernel
If you buy it and the next room is a shop followed by Meg you’ll get a chaos in first room of asphodel
mint coral
So there just flexes
the reward for an erebus gate is double than a normal one (like a mini boss door in styx)
so +50 hp/200 coins/boon with better rarity
lone kernel
So there just flexes
they're high risk/high reward. room one +50 health after your keepsake boon you're not gonna get much of a better start than that, IF you nail erebus
vale spoke
gray apex
Nice
lone kernel
based
calm zenith
Chaos gates can so some funny stuff and are usually reliable
It is possible you missed the gate tbh
Especially if your Light was used up
A gate can spawn room 1 asphodel
twin thistle
also erebus gates have 3 exits
lone kernel
which are usually key darkness gems
calm zenith
That's a good strategy actually because it lets you potentially have your Hermes boons under Nectar
lone kernel
but when they’re not it’s based
lone kernel
You mean eury refreshing nectar right
calm zenith
Yeah
modern pollen
Skelly
No hes the exception
Ok but charon is the best cuddler and you know it
His favor is gonna be annoying once I get that
Also question how the hades am I supposed to know their favors I only learned Cerberus and dusas cause I looked it up
mint coral
a lot of them are kinda just by playing the game (hermes is probably a bit hard depending on how much you liked the plume)
modern pollen
Oh
So they just kinda exist and you have no idea how to do them unless they just happen
grizzled barn
modern pollen
I thought hypnos was a girl until the game corrected me
whole comet
Aphro is prolly also a late one to unlock
modern pollen
What's her favor
whole comet
well, she's the love goddess
modern pollen
Fists are utter garbage
I think their the second worst weapon in the game
gray apex
That sounds bad out of context
whole comet
at least, any that is available lol
gray apex
stable summit
I think their the second worst weapon in the game
which would be the first i dont see any that can be more garbage than those
whole comet
well, romance is an alt way to put it
stable summit
if you say spear i must disagree
whole comet
but u did need to romance more than once, so...
brisk trail
honestly, fists are underwhelming power-wise but i think spear (achilles maybe the exception) is the least fun
signal aspen
Fists are utter garbage
How
stable summit
they are just garbage
brisk trail
How
brisk trail
EVERYONE IS TYPING
signal aspen
no dps whatsoever
Aphro attack?
twin thistle
MEris
stable summit
I didnt get lucky enough to get it
whole comet
if only one build works, then it also kinda sux XD
signal aspen
What were you using
stable summit
The game gave my 1 aphro boon from all the run and i took the aphro artifact
so stupid
mint coral
merciful end is just the most powerful
twin thistle
eh dio, zeus attack works too
mint coral
zap/dio also works well
twin thistle
problem is rail is just better
signal aspen
Rail is long ranged fists
stable summit
Deadly strike and Flourish with Sweet nectar and PP + support fire and Clean kill Poseidon dash and that looks like it
twin thistle
that can also get clockets 
signal aspen
Deadly strike
twin thistle
signal aspen
No wonder
brisk trail
you stick heart rend on anything and it immediately becomes better
stable summit
i had hbeart rend!
signal aspen
Still
stable summit
it was garbage still
signal aspen
Fists base attack damage is like 10
stable summit
but i ahd no weak effect except crush shot --'
whole comet
btw, when it comes to all weapon aspects
gray apex
On the attack
whole comet
u guys have any personal least favorite?
signal aspen
u guys have any personal least favorite?
Gilgamesh
gray apex
u guys have any personal least favorite?
Gilgamesh
mint coral
chaos
stable summit
i just have personal favorit
whole comet
huh, Talos for me
stable summit
Poseidon sword, Achilles spear, Hera Bow, Secret shield, Eris rail (My favorites)
signal aspen
Achilles 😔
brisk trail
huh, Talos for me
true that's another sucky one
twin thistle
i usually dont touch arthur or fists
mint coral
talos is just in the middle for me
signal aspen
Talos is fun
mint coral
at least yo-yo talos is still fun
brisk trail
Talos is fun
except armor
mint coral
chaos shield i really dont find anything fun
stable summit
i like chaos
stable summit
but secret shield is just better
brisk trail
chaos shield is what dem is to fists
twin thistle
just get charged shot and turn chaos into budget zag shield
signal aspen
Indeed
twin thistle
flood flare is better
stable summit
beo with flood shot + mirage
that also
signal aspen
Kinda is
mint coral
beo + any of the 3 top casts
stable summit
Crush/Flood/Lightning?
mint coral
thunder flare
signal aspen
Trippy flare
twin thistle
thunderflare is the superior cast
stable summit
depends on the build
mint coral
thunder flare so good it has 0 cast dmg
stable summit
i wouldnt run thunder flare on beo
twin thistle
stable summit
i would run it on Eris Tho 😈
twin thistle
its beautiful
signal aspen
Yeah thunder flare literally does no cast damage
brisk trail
epic rush 
twin thistle
it just takes a billion boons 
stable summit
how come you guys can share photos here and not me?
potent falcon
What's like the generally agreed-upon worst weapon?
twin thistle
its an embed
signal aspen
how come you guys can share photos here and not me?
Because you haven't beaten 50 heat
brisk trail
What's like the generally agreed-upon worst weapon?
um zag spear
twin thistle
well fists have the worst heat and speedrun records right
potent falcon
Oh I thought it would be base rail
twin thistle
base rail is just better fists
signal aspen
Zag sword, spear, and Gilgamesh are the worst
twin thistle
mint coral
delta comfy
mint coral
just need rare rd instead for budget eris 
potent falcon
OH also I am somewhat early on in the game comparatively. So gilgamesh is clearly not worth it ig but what abt Beowulf?
signal aspen
Yes
twin thistle
beo is op
its literally the most broken aspect
because it has over 5 different bugs
potent falcon
Ah okay coolio
potent falcon
What do it do tho?
mint coral
the more bugs the more power it has
twin thistle
well it oneshots everything until high heat
signal aspen
It can still one shot everything at high heat
mint coral
tl;dr like hera bow but is a shield
potent falcon
Alright welp I don't think I'm on high heat yet so I'm probably good with it lol
mint coral
you can load your casts into your bull rush for extra dmg on it and they release at the end of it
whole comet
well more like, depends on the heat perk
if u dun have DC and CP, enemies will melt in one hit
signal aspen
potent falcon
Coolio! I'll see how it goes!
So this is considered the best weapon in the game as well right?
potent falcon
SIXTY
twin thistle
its done 60 i think?
potent falcon
Okay I am very early on in this game
signal aspen
at least, i dun think Beo makes into 60+ heat?
Yeah it sucks it can't even do 60 heat
signal aspen
its done 60 i think?
Don't think so
signal aspen
And hestia seeded
gray apex
It has
potent falcon
I have Rama I like his thing
gray apex
Ykc has done 60 Heat Beo
twin thistle
ykc apparently has done it
signal aspen
Oh nice
mint coral
beo has 60 unseeded
whole comet
then alright, now beo is also one of the best
mint coral
there is a high heat leaderboard in the high heat channel pins
potent falcon
I think I gotta get further on in the game before I understand any of this lol. But thanks for the advice anyways guys!
twin thistle
seeded 60+ is just unseeded except you dont have to do 20 resets every attempt for a viable tart tbh
gray apex
That's true
twin thistle
its obvious if its routed
winged spear
Ok I have a question, should I run stubborn defiance or not?
gray apex
That's not how seeds work
gray apex
Ok I have a question, should I run stubborn defiance or not?
If you have LC4 yes, otherwise no
winged spear
Ok
twin thistle
stubborn only if youre dying like a lot like over 5 times a run and can do bosses with only 60% hp
and lc4
whole comet
i guess LC1 u could use it too
signal aspen
No
whole comet
it is way less effective for sure
but i dunno, sometimes when u lose DD early, kinda feel bad
twin thistle
if youre running stubborn you just might as well be maxing lc4
signal aspen
Bruh just don't die
whole comet
and SD u won't have to worry that, and just hope Charon b4 boss can u get hp back, and post-boss
gray apex
SD bosses are kinda hard
winged spear
if youre running stubborn you just might as well be maxing lc4
Sorry I don’t exactly know any terms so what does LC mean?
gray apex
Lasting Consequences
twin thistle
^
whole comet
it lowers the amount of healing by %
twin thistle
if youre running sd just max lc and reduce hard labor or forced overtime
gray apex
Yea, or BP1 instead of BP2
whole comet
so LC1, all healing becomes 25% less, LC4 means 0% healing
signal aspen
if youre running sd just max lc and reduce hard labor or forced overtime
Or max all of them
whole comet
but SD and DD still revives u with 30% and 50% hp
winged spear
Ok well I haven’t actually got to the point where I can alter stuff so
whole comet
so using SD to constantly revive works better
winged spear
but SD and DD still revives u with 30% and 50% hp
That is a good point
twin thistle
Ok well I haven’t actually got to the point where I can alter stuff so
okay use death defiances then
winged spear
Oh sure
whole comet
and u can buy upgrade or that Elysium guy to get better SD
twin thistle
its very uncommon for players to have no issue with bosses but struggle a lot with regular rooms
whole comet
tbh, only Hades seems to be the constant struggle
and Charon XD
the other 3 bosses, people seem to learn them fast
maybe except Alecto
twin thistle
ive seen ppl have a lot more trouble with base champs than dad
whole comet
EM1 Alecto could be deadly sometimes
whole comet
ive seen ppl have a lot more trouble with base champs than dad
that i didn't know lol
gray apex
People struggle with Champs a lot
twin thistle
at high heat and some aspects em2 lernie is harder to avoid damage from than dad tbh especially with blue heads
though half of it is taking a god keepsake in aspho rather than acorn tbh
whole comet
well, if they use acorn at 2nd region, they have to stick with it, right?
whole comet
which could mess up Elysium run lol
mint coral
tooth still exists
whole comet
people seem to want acorn for Hades
twin thistle
dying to reg elysium rooms at high heat aint uncommon tbh
and patty carries champs already ig
whole comet
IF he spawns XD
twin thistle
aint the charge like 70 something
twin thistle
im mostly talking about hl5
whole comet
well HL scales all enemies attack
twin thistle
tooth is great low hl yeah
whole comet
it just kinda did weird math on fire skull debuffed dmg
twin thistle
yeah 100+ plus 100+
whole comet
but HL0, it's 40 default and 80 skull
twin thistle
so triple base damage
mint coral
i think the more HL you have the less does boiling blood does
twin thistle
like i said its additive
mint coral
nyaanyaa mentioned it somewhere
whole comet
anyway
dun forget our favorite Thessus EM3
believe it or not, those explosive thing actually DID hit as hard as Hades
easier to dodge, but did punish harder if u got hit
twin thistle
100 damage
dusky wedge
Why was Delta Chamber good again? Asking for a friend
twin thistle
delta chamber MEris is gaming
gray apex
eris best boonless aspect
modern pollen
eris best boonless aspect
I mean I'd argue nemesis is since eris takes a nit of practice also hazard bomb the best rail upgrade doesn't work very well with it
gray apex
It's sarcasm
modern pollen
Oh
gray apex
dusky wedge
It gives you I frames on dash strikes
Thanks!
oak gull
Is there any sense in poseidoning demeter special?
calm zenith
Can you kill Asterius?
oak gull
Why would you?
calm zenith
I had some meme beams still damaging him after the fight stopped
If I happened to land a bunch of them right before the fight end, and it did enough hp damage, what would happen?
I already have hundreds of times
You kill him in the boss fight
You just weaken him during the miniboss
twin thistle
pretty sure you can but even if you do he still shows up at the boss fight
whole comet
i dun think u could? how much dmg can u do at most when he's at 26%?
twin thistle
think it usually needs demeter legendary
calm zenith
Lmfao
glossy turret
Please don’t kill Asterius
stable summit
Finally found a way to possibly cheese with Gauntlets since how bad they are
modern garnet
What did you find out?
stable summit
To jsut play gauntlets but not use them and isntead use a slicing shot build x'D
Im playing Talos Fists with a Slicing shot build and it's doing pretty decent
modern garnet
Lmao yeah you can do a cast build on any weapon and they're all kinda the same
Mostly
twin thistle
ngl ares dash and hunting blades was what i did for 40 heat dem fists
modern garnet
One of the tricks to gauntlets is empty-dashing
twin thistle
because my first boon had epic dash and common doom attack
modern garnet
And the other trick to gauntlets is merciful end
twin thistle
merciful end is pretty cheesy with how much damage it does and having athena as a core component
stable summit
im running Artemis Ares and Athena
i tried to sneak in a poseidon for Mirage shot but didnt get it either
twin thistle
any weapon can also just be built with smouldering air and you dont have to play it
round turret
How long is like the average amount time to kill hades for the first time
stable summit
The dude jsut obliterate me in a matter of 5 seconds
25 minutes
for the run that is
fi8sts rly are something ...
round turret
No I mean like total play time
round turret
I was at like 25 hours when I first killed him
last veldt
Does the Resources Director ever run out of titles or is it just an infinite sink?
I got to Delta Agent I think.
About 4k for the next level.
devout terrace
It does
last veldt
Good job I stopped getting those to get the Nyx Theme then
lone kernel
just tried a serrated point thing that got way too complicated
modern pollen
What does theseus do of you got a boon from all the gods because he only uses gods that you don't have the boon for
last veldt
Now there's only that to spend darkness on
twin thistle
What does theseus do of you got a boon from all the gods because he only uses go...
defaults to artemis iirc
lone kernel
i like desperately needed an extra dash for it to work
modern pollen
Oh
last veldt
The game tries very hard to not have that happen though
twin thistle
its either impossible or almost impossible to reach theseus with all gods
devout terrace
defaults to artemis iirc
Happens mostly in fresh file runs because there are only 4 gods available
last veldt
Ahh
whole comet
and in fresh file, u tend to get all 4 gods, but Thessus could still call Artemis
proper iron
Just started playing yesterday, made it through my first run ever today with the fists 🙂
What is the first weapon u guys made it through with?
whole comet
shield
mint coral
fists
chrome wharf
sword
proper iron
had the artemis god power which makes you invincible for super long and the crystal beam, both are op lol
mint coral
you mean athena?
stable summit
Blizzard shot with mirage shot is very impressive
last veldt
My first win was gun with cluster bombs. Ridiculous build.
proper iron
the first time i killed hades i was like YES I BEAT THE GAME, then he went back to full life and I was like WTFFF then died...
I was so upset
xDDD
last veldt
There is no escape
proper iron
Also hermes +10 gold per room at the very start, so broken
last veldt
Wait until you get the Epic version of that.
Strong Drink from the start is also great.
ember flume
sd
proper iron
how do i look at records? on switch
like past attempts and completed attempts and such and all that, is there a way?
mint coral
admin chamber, bottom of the achilles hall
you need to unlcok it with the work contractor
proper iron
ohhhh figures
modern pollen
damn i need to read because i got cursed slash without knowing that it reduces my health
proper iron
RIP
modern pollen
nah i beat hades but still that was annoying
wait how am i supposed to finish the codex entries for the greek fish since i can't go to greece anymore
chrome wharf
The hades fight arena will spawn them
modern pollen
oh
lone kernel
oh
Yeah every fish you see in hades battle will be for a bounty so it’s like extra incentive to win
modern pollen
bounty?
modern pollen
you have to find a fishing spot, activate the fishing rod, and then when the bob goes down press the button again and get a fish
if you bought the fishing rod from the contracter
i just dashed backwards somehow
modern pollen
you can't guarantee it unless you buy skeletal lure from well of charon but you'll know if you see a glowing line near some lava, the red stuff in tartarus, the fog in elysium, the styx, or the water in greece
so you have to look around the chambers for it
but sometimes zag mentions it if you don't see it
proper iron
ok cool ty
mint coral
there is also a ding sound when you can fish
modern pollen
you have to press the interact button i don't know what it is for you once the bob goes all the way into the water
sometimes it will slightly move but dont press the button until it goess completely under and be fast or you'll lose the fish
i'm trying to get 30% on pierced butterfly but i only have it on tier one so this is gonna be annoying
modern pollen
jesus christ my bomb does +273.5% damage
rose dagger
How do we trigger || charon boss fight? ||
cerulean path
How do we trigger || charon boss fight? ||
||Sometimes a bag of gold will spawn in the cage or somewhere around when in a charon room, if you take it it will cause the boss fight to start.||
^^^ this is old knowledge, not sure if they changed it, haven't played in a while
rose dagger
|| do we need to give 6 necters to charon for the gold bag to spawn? ||
strong ridge
||hermes has a hand in starting it at first||
modern pollen
welp i broke the tight deadline clock
rapid forum
Doing beo run
Got to eurydice
Got pom
It hits every core boons I got
Except for the cast
twin thistle
|| do we need to give 6 necters to charon for the gold bag to spawn? ||
nope. its just get a clear. that or reach final boss
btw you can only find the bags in region midshops
not the ones right before bossfights
rose dagger
Ok,thx
potent mason
Questions for the ages:
Will Sisyphus ever offer his goods in a non-furtive manner?
loud ruin
if youre a hades superfan you need to experience playing the game on an oled display. those displays were practically made for hades
dusky wedge
If you’re implying about the Switch OLED, I don’t think I will ever upgrade
barren mulch
Good morning everybody
Searching for some german mates to talk about the game :-)
@loud ruin or play on TV
Switch upgrade to oled isnt worth imo when when playing most time docked
neon jasper
I thought I killed Hades, but oops 2nd stage
barren mulch
Mhhh 2nd run in a row i Start with Hammer instead Artemis boon...?
gray apex
Just rng
loud ruin
<@581947832013946895> or play on TV
Switch upgrade to oled isnt worth imo when w...
nintendo switch did not invent oled displays lmao. you can get oled tvs/monitors. plus I literally never play docked
loud ruin
If you’re implying about the Switch OLED, I don’t think I will ever upgrade
i highly recommend, you should be able to sell your old one easily and then it's a pretty cheap upgrade for how good it is
barren mulch
@loud ruin mhh? I play most time docked, so Upgrade to switch oled for me isnt worth... Whats wrong? :-)
Ofc, if u never play docked, the Upgrade to switch oled could be worth...
loud ruin
<@581947832013946895> mhh? I play most time docked, so Upgrade to switch oled f...
upgrade to OLED tv might be worth if it's in your budget, makes such a big difference in hades due to so many areas with vibrant pops of colour as well as the darker areas. really helps you appreciate just how stunning the game is.
I'm just saying I've become a massive display nerd as of late and I've loved my experience so far, wanted to share that love with others
rapid forum
This has been in my head for quite a while
barren mulch
Dont talk about oled TV, im talking about OLED Switch Version 😆
dusky wedge
Is it fixed damage across all of the weapon?
Sounds like that judging from how the wiki described wall slam
abstract shuttle
nintendo switch did not invent oled displays lmao. you can get oled tvs/monitors...
ehhh OLED monitors are not so affordable yet, not worth it to play an indie, TV maybe but I play in PC :v
dusky wedge
I'm just saying I've become a massive display nerd as of late and I've loved my ...
I’m more inclined to get an OLED tv as well, my old Switch is still fine. The OLED Switch isn’t really compelling for me, but I will of course try to get an OLED tv, whenever I will actually be able to afford one lol
loud ruin
ehhh OLED monitors are not so affordable yet, not worth it to play an indie, TV ...
that's a bit insulting to supergiant :p
abstract shuttle
that's a bit insulting to supergiant :p
how? u don't know how much OLED monitors cost compared to other technologies?
loud ruin
it can technically work as a PC monitor if you get the smallest tv model but it isn't optimal due to the risk of burn-in with all the static imagery on screen
loud ruin
how? u don't know how much OLED monitors cost compared to other technologies?
unfortunately yeah
rapid forum
Sounds like that judging from how the wiki described wall slam
then what about weapons with knock back + poseidon boon?
like sword or shield
abstract shuttle
it can technically work as a PC monitor if you get the smallest tv model but it ...
if u are gonna recommend a TV for a computer then we can't talk :v, also not the topic for here, wait a few years and then maybe OLED monitors are gonna be worth it, TV leave it to consoles
loud ruin
if u are gonna recommend a TV for a computer then we can't talk :v, also not the...
I basically did the opposite of recommending it lmao I just said it's technically useable
rapid forum
then what about weapons with knock back + poseidon boon?
what I meant by this is core poseidon boon
typhoon's fury is self explanatory
dusky wedge
what I meant by this is core poseidon boon
Well, even the wiki is still pretty vague, quote : “If an enemy is knocked into a wall by an attack, they take Wall Slam damage, calculated from momentum, the distance to the wall, and the current biome (later biomes deal more damage)”. How much damage? 🤷♀️
I guess it’s counted separately and doesn’t get affected by anything else affecting actual boons other than global damage modifiers
So, poms on Tidal Dash doesn’t affect it I guess
Where’s nyaanyaa when you need her
rapid forum
ikr
full nexus
It's really hard to calculate the damage
Because it actually depends on how much velocity your enemies will hit the wall and I don't think we have much details about that
However, the multipliers for the biomes are 100% in Tartarus, 150 on asphodel, 200 in Elysium and 250 in Styx
So you have a base damage of 10 iirc, or 20 for body slams), then the velocity (no way to calculate how it decays afaik) and the biome multiplier
You also need a minimum velocity to actually trigger the wall slam and that number is not even consistent 
fast willow
just take breaking wave to do most of the damage so that you dont have to calculate wallslam damage
thorny mirage
basically it’s not worth it kekw
rapid forum
You also need a minimum velocity to actually trigger the wall slam and that numb...
okay, that's new
thorny mirage
also I’m seeing a distinct lack of krismas pfps ere
rapid forum
it's november
abstract shuttle
what's the maximum amount of chambers u can complete in one escape attempt?
I have 72
thorny mirage
it's november
and?
dusky wedge
I’ll wait until SGG release Christmas Zag wallpaper
full nexus
okay, that's new <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Not 100% sure about that though, it may depend on the obstacle. Idk if the theorycraft has been pushed that much. You'll probably need to test it and try to screenshot the numbers lmao
devout terrace
I think I have 79
Not remotely possible
dusky wedge
Probably mistaken then
whole comet
If u want more rooms b4 Styx, u had to take Erebus gate or chaos b4 Entering preboss shop in all 3 regions
devout terrace
Weird
You'd have to get a 5 sack with all extended tunnels, and take some extension chaos/erebus
Extremely rare but I guess it can happen
dusky wedge
That’s probably what I did
whole comet
Prolly sux if u have TD3 lol
dusky wedge
I most probably didn’t
whole comet
Never really keep track, but each tunnel can go from 3-6, right?
dusky wedge
I thought each tunnel only go from 4-5?
fast willow
wait do the ||locations like greece and mom cottage|| count as chambers?
rapid forum
I would assume they do for saving purposes. But I doubt you can check them whether they count
abstract shuttle
u can see the number of chambers right before the hades fight
the boon menu top right corner iirc
high island
What damage does wall slam based on?
Biome depth.
Oh, NeroVingian already explained. Yeah, wall-slam damage is based on biome depth, momentum, and distance.
dusky wedge
Do we actually have actual numbers as an example, though?
Or the equation?
It’s still pretty vague
high island
cgull is the one who looked into that.
Dunno if global damage modifiers affect it. Sweet Surrender, Targeting System, and Maim probably do. And otherwise just Typhoon's Fury.
At the end of the day, getting more information on that just wouldn't change the way you play or any decision making really.
rapid forum
it was purely out of curiosity lol
dusky wedge
Surely stuffs like Hyper Delivery and Billowing Strength affects it as well, yeah?
high island
Maybe.
Sweet Surrender directly affects how much damage the enemy takes.
Billowing Strength etc. affect how much damage Zagreus does.
So.. Sweet Surrender makes enemies take more trap damage, for example.
Or more damage from summons.
Billowing Strength doesn't do either because the damage source isn't Zagreus.
Wall-slams probably count as environmental damage rather than damage caused directly by Zagreus, so Billowing etc. wouldn't affect it.
At least that's what I'd expect.
dusky wedge
I see, understood your pov
fast willow
wait does global damage buff summons?
high island
No.
fast willow
aww, unfortunate
high island
Sweet Surrender, Targeting System etc. do.
full nexus
That's why Sweet Surrender is the best boon
brisk trail
do you get anything for giving bouldy nectar ?
rapid forum
random buff for the run
it can be ambiguous at times
it pains me to say this but if you still need nectar don't give it to bouldy
full nexus
Oof
brisk trail
no, i have 27 with almost every character maxed, but was curious as to wether giving it to him was more gimicky
rapid forum
well the buff you get is RNG, personally I give it to him whenever I have the chance
high island
You get to hear Michael Ailshie's stellar performance as Bouldy. He's a true method actor.
fast willow
it pains me to say this but if you still need nectar don't give it to bouldy
how could you 
brisk trail
Obols bonus +3%
abstract shuttle
ye got Hades with heat 1, going for heat 2 :D
brisk trail
CP moment
signal aspen
thats a lot of heat
dusky wedge
Hot moment
weary vector
I only now just realized the insanity of Achilles ice wine builds
mortal marten
|test|
signal aspen
use ||
mortal marten
Thanks 😄
Had a cool interaction with Charm effect (I'm guessing) and ||Hades|| where the boss's weapon is left floating around after the spear throw. Imagine the thought of getting hit by a ||Dual wielding gigaros||
high island
That's just something that can happen if you kill him before he retrieves his spear. Same with Theseus.
mortal marten
It looked really cool :)) I was admiring the model for too long and got hit for a whole death defiance worth
modern pollen
I tried the erebus gates there surprisingly easy
Also ive been grinding for favors and I can't get poseidons to activate
devout terrace
Also ive been grinding for favors and I can't get poseidons to activate
have you gotten his quest?
modern pollen
Denizens of the deep Yeah I completed it
Or are you talking about sea gods spite cause I haven't beaten that one
brisk trail
Or are you talking about sea gods spite cause I haven't beaten that one
No to get the heart unlocked you just needed the fishing one
modern pollen
I did that and I can't get it to work
oak gull
What's fun, but slightly unconventional to do on Hera bow?
brisk trail
What's fun, but slightly unconventional to do on Hera bow?
Blade rifts
gray apex
What's fun, but slightly unconventional to do on Hera bow?
Flood Shot
brisk trail
Though you will definitely need hunting blades
brisk trail
I did that and I can't get it to work
Just keep playing I guess, it's random
oak gull
Blade rifts
I have tried it. Was fun.
oak gull
Flood Shot
Do they at least all hit at once?
modern pollen
How do cast boons work on hera does it just give the arrow the effect
Or is it just incompatible with aspect of hera
brisk trail
How do cast boons work on hera does it just give the arrow the effect
It fires the cast with the arrow shot
modern pollen
Oh
oak gull
From the point it hits.
brisk trail
^^
oak gull
Oh, what about Aphrodite's cast?
brisk trail
Yes that's a powerful combo
oak gull
It has good damage, applies weak and its only weakness is its range.
gray apex
But that's not slightly unconventional
signal aspen
Oh, what about Aphrodite's cast?
It's the best cast for hera
gray apex
oak gull
So, opinions on Artemis' cast?
signal aspen
Bad
potent falcon
Artemis boons are kinda my least favorite tbh
gray apex
The only it has going for it is that it puts Artemis in your pool early, if you're lucky you get her Legendary, but that's doesnt really make up for it
astral walrus
It has no aoe
neither the best cast for hera
gray apex
Crush shot?
astral walrus
i mean, it's better, but still sucks without hammers
signal aspen
neither the best cast for hera
Crush shot has good aoe
gray apex
Crush shot has really good aoe
signal aspen
i mean, it's better, but still sucks without hammers
Not really
oak gull
Crush shot?
Aphro cast, right?
brisk trail
Yep
gray apex
Yes
thin bramble
Also I thought trippy was best on hara?
gray apex
It's far from that
signal aspen
Needs extra casts to be good
brisk trail
That explains the previous statement...
potent falcon
Also, just unlocked Beowulf, probably gonna be the only way I use my cast consistently
astral walrus
Crush shot has really good aoe
compared to aoe of beo casts?
gray apex
Why are we comparing it to that
signal aspen
Bruh beo has like the biggest aoe in the game
oak gull
Trippy is good for stunning, but it has the slight problem of having a duration before it times out.
Said duration is longer than the duration you have to wait for an enemy to drop the crystals.
thin bramble
Stygian soul makes up for it slightly
devout terrace
^
gray apex
Because there is no point
thin bramble
Get an extra cast or two from chaos as well and trippy really shines
brisk trail
Also, just unlocked Beowulf, probably gonna be the only way I use my cast consis...
Beo busted, enjoy it
devout terrace
there are a couple beo bugs
oak gull
good busted or bad busted?
brisk trail
Good
oak gull
right
potent falcon
Good busted so I've heard
signal aspen
there are a *couple* beo bugs
Just a couple
brisk trail
Very very good
gray apex
Just like 20
oak gull
That's nice.
signal aspen
Just like 20
21 actually
potent falcon
ALSO guys worst boons, opinions on that?
modern pollen
I wonder does anyone actually use eris
gray apex
Ares aid
brisk trail
WHAT
signal aspen
I wonder does anyone actually use eris
Bruh
brisk trail
I wonder does anyone actually use eris
WHAT
thin bramble
ALSO guys worst boons, opinions on that?
Ares or Dionysus aid
gray apex
bruh
devout terrace
I wonder does anyone actually use eris
lmaooo
fiery zealot
hello i have a question. how do i get more boons from the god i want
potent falcon
WHAT
brisk trail
???????
signal aspen
Ares or Dionysus aid
What
gray apex
Dio aid is like the best base dps
astral walrus
Because there is no point
my point is that it doesn't really matter whether or not a certain cast has good aoe on hera, they all suffer from not so good aoe
gray apex
with no poms
devout terrace
what the heck
brisk trail
This chat rn 🤡
potent falcon
DIONYSUS AND ARES ARE THE BEST
devout terrace
signal aspen
Not ares
brisk trail
Ares call sux
thin bramble
several people are typing
devout terrace
astral walrus
but yeah, with triple shot and explosive shot crush shot is almost passion flare
fiery zealot
Is there a way to acquire more boons from a specific god?
signal aspen
Pick them up
modern pollen
Demeter has the worst call if you dont have arctic blast
brisk trail
Is there a way to acquire more boons from a specific god?
Put them in your core slots
potent falcon
I like ares dash when you upgrade it to have the sucky thing
brisk trail
Attack, call cast, special, dash
fiery zealot
Put them in your core slots
Core slots?
brisk trail
They are more likely to show up doing this
gray apex
my point is that it doesn't really matter whether or not a certain cast has good...
Well it depends on what you consider good aoe, yes if you're comparing it to the aspect with the highest aoe on casts in the game then they're all gonna be trash, but Hera plays very differently, and comparing something like Arty's cast vs Aphro's cast on Hera would give you a better perspective on how good the aoe is on crush shot
fiery zealot
What are core slots
potent falcon
Core slots?
Dash, special, attack and call I think
brisk trail
Attack, call cast, special, dash
This
potent falcon
You see it on your left on the screem
signal aspen
Big man chad 69420 doesn't know what a core slot is smh
potent falcon
I mean I didn't really know I just kinda guessed. But I am also fairly bad at the game
fiery zealot
Big man chad 69420 doesn't know what a core slot is smh
I'm sorry? Kinda new to the game. Found it interesting.
signal aspen
Core slots are your attack, special, cast, and dash boon slots
gray apex
Big man chad 69420 doesn't know what a core slot is smh
Be nice or do Beo 50 Heat Special only
brisk trail
I'm sorry? Kinda new to the game. Found it interesting.
Dw he's just joking
brisk trail
Be nice or do Beo 50 Heat Special only
Zag spear 64 heat ez
signal aspen
Be nice or do Beo 50 Heat Special only
Ok
fiery zealot
Interesting community
signal aspen
Lmao
potent falcon
Ye lol
astral walrus
also about beo having the biggest aoe, rail brobably would outdo it, no? especially with hazard bomb
clockets too maybe
gray apex
on casts
signal aspen
Oh yeah
fiery zealot
Also I just kinda wasted all my titan blood
potent falcon
Same
fiery zealot
On the sword
potent falcon
For skelly right?
signal aspen
Did you put it on zag aspect?
astral walrus
*on casts*
ok, on casts, but in general
brisk trail
Thank you..... Boyo....
potent falcon
BASTARD STOLE MY BLOOD
signal aspen
He didn't steal it
fiery zealot
Oh well
signal aspen
It's in the sword
fiery zealot
I have no idea what I used my titan blood on
potent falcon
The only time I use the sword is when I'm hoping for the +2 health thing so I pretty much wasted it
fiery zealot
Any tips for actually beating the game?
fiery zealot
Bouldy?
brisk trail
Oh crap no more spoilers then
potent falcon
Ah we are of similar prowess
brisk trail
Bouldy, the big rock beside Sisyphus
fiery zealot
Who tf
brisk trail
potent falcon
My highest heat is 4 so yknow I'm fairly early on myself
brisk trail
Ok never mind, you'll find out eventually
astral walrus
Any tips for actually beating the game?
use good builds
and good weapons preferably
potent falcon
Oh mb
fiery zealot
What are good weapons soposed to be?
potent falcon
This is some hypnos level advice right here lol
fiery zealot
and good weapons preferably
Well?
astral walrus
What are good weapons soposed to be?
from my point of view it's a shield for a beginner
any would do
potent falcon
I hate the rail cause it feels weird but ig it's good
fiery zealot
from my point of view it's a shield for a beginner
I actually don't like the shield it deals like no damage
potent falcon
Also yea shield is pog
astral walrus
I actually don't like the shield it deals like no damage
it can be slow, yeah, especially vanilla one, but good things come to those who wait
it's survivability makes up for lack of dps
potent falcon
All of the shields other than base are pretty cool
fiery zealot
Mmmm
astral walrus
if you want dps, use rail
potent falcon
Yknow what I actually ended up not liking about the rail? It's sticky
gray apex
Lol
astral walrus
All aspects can deal amazing DPS
if you have more than 2000 hours in the game and you doing sub 10s every run with every weapon on any heat, then yeah
fiery zealot
So anything about boons?
astral walrus
but we have a newbie here
potent falcon
Two
astral walrus
he can't do much even with the best of weapons
raw herald
All it takes is a full mirror and a little bit of game knowledge
potent falcon
So anything about boons?
Dionysus is good. Poseidon kinda sucks but has good damage, get the Athena dash
raw herald
There isn’t a single person out there that can fulfil your requirements
potent falcon
Spear
astral walrus
All it takes is a full mirror and a little bit of game knowledge
it's about 150-200 hours before you can fully upgrade the mirror i think
gray apex
merciful end
oak gull
So anything about boons?
Well, it depends. Fast strikes with little damage are better off applying DoTs or getting a flat damage increase. Slow strikes with a lot of damage enjoy a high +weapon damage% bonus.
astral walrus
(please not the shield)
just accept the shield, man
oak gull
@fiery zealot Which weapon did you like the most?
astral walrus
it'll be good for you, believe me
fiery zealot
<@!419627120764125194> Which weapon did you like the most?
probably the spear or sword
potent falcon
What is the best hand-feel
astral walrus
you won't die for a change
potent falcon
probably the spear or sword
Do you have the Hades spear yet?
oak gull
probably the spear or sword
Alright, which spears do you have?
potent falcon
You don't need it but I like it
fiery zealot
Alright, which spears do you have?
t-theres not only one?
astral walrus
hades spear, are you freaking serious?
oak gull
t-theres not only one?
Alright, that early. Fair enough.
potent falcon
I like it!
astral walrus
he'll die 10 times before it finishes charging it's spin
potent falcon
Hades spear is kewl
fiery zealot
Alright, that early. Fair enough.
you mean like aspects?
oak gull
Yes.
potent falcon
YOU DON'T gotta charge it all the way
fiery zealot
I just accidently held down the button on the sword
So uhh yea
about that titan blood
oak gull
I mean on the spear.
astral walrus
YOU DON'T gotta charge it all the way
but you have to do it often, since some enemies can shake off your debuff quite easily
fiery zealot
none
oak gull
Ok. Do you have Poseidon on sword?
raw herald
Wouldn’t recommend hades spear personally
fiery zealot
no
oak gull
Ok.
fiery zealot
look man i got the titan blood i was like let me see what it does and spent it all on nemesis
raw herald
Nemesis is good
potent falcon
but you have to do it often, since some enemies can shake off your debuff quite ...
Okay fair. But if you pair it with Dionysus It's pretty good
oak gull
Spear, then. Try for Zeus on Attack, Ares on Special and Poseidon on Dash.
astral walrus
and pick up flurry jab
oak gull
If you get a hammer, you can always ask in here which one of three is better.
But yeah, flurry jab is pretty good on spear.
astral walrus
and yeah, Hade is incompatible with flurry jab
potent falcon
Ye
fiery zealot
So how do I make sure I get the gods I want
raw herald
“Pretty good”
astral walrus
this fact alone makes it the worst spear
raw herald
It’s broken
potent falcon
So how do I make sure I get the gods I want
Luck
oak gull
So how do I make sure I get the gods I want
You can fish for them with the God trinkets and otherwise, you can avoid boon chambers for gods you don't want.
fiery zealot
what keepsake should i use
oak gull
Remember, however... Hermes boons are always top priority.
fiery zealot
so uhh
astral walrus
for a beginner though exploding launcher would be better than flurry jab, it's safer
fiery zealot
keepsakes?
astral walrus
and it works well with hades spear since it also buffs special damage
oak gull
Poseidon's or Zeus' at first. W. poseidon you'd play off your splash-dash and w. zeus you'd be hitting things and zapping 'em.
oak gull
keepsakes?
yes
fiery zealot
what does the w mean
oak gull
with
raw herald
Yeah
astral walrus
Poseidon's or Zeus' at first. W. poseidon you'd play off your splash-dash and w....
it's almost as though you're recommending a speedrun build for achilles
pretty early to do speedruns, no?
raw herald
It’s a good build
fiery zealot
is stuborn defiance good
raw herald
And it misses out a lot of the speedrun build anyway
raw herald
is stuborn defiance good
at high heat yeah
potent falcon
What's the best spear then? Cause I've been using Hades pretty frequently
raw herald
Achilles
oak gull
Well, for one, what he is getting is pretty effective. For another, he can build off it with whatever he feels might work.
potent falcon
Aw
oak gull
Remember, experimentation is key.
astral walrus
And it misses out a lot of the speedrun build anyway
flurry jab, that's it
potent falcon
Achilles has the most basic aesthetic ever. But also I am probably not thinking very gameplay-wise with that lol
glossy turret
NO
fiery zealot
triple jab
exploding launcher
breaching skewer
astral walrus
Jolted, a good cast, Hermes…
nah, you don't care about a cast on speedrunning achilles
fiery zealot
what do i pick
raw herald
nah, you don't care about a cast on speedrunning achilles
You absolutely do
Unless you want a 50 second dad fight
gray apex
That's one hot take
fiery zealot
@oak gull
oak gull
Yes?
fiery zealot
which do i pick
raw herald
Exploding launcher
astral walrus
triple jab
exploding launcher
breaching skewer
exploding launcher
oak gull
exploding launcher, then
fiery zealot
ok
oak gull
I haven't seen exploding launcher yet, myself.
The one remaining hammer I need on spear.
To get that prophecy.
Funny, innit?
astral walrus
i personally achieved +40% damage bonus from pierced butterfly with this hammer on zag spear
fiery zealot
so should i got for the max life or gold
fiery zealot
i just started
oak gull
Usually, that's something you need to judge on how well your run is going.
More life early on is good. Having at least 150 for the boon in shop is good.
astral walrus
so should i got for the max life or gold
go for the highest hp possible, since you get hit often
fiery zealot
go for the highest hp possible, since you get hit often
ok
oak gull
Yeah, that is fair.
fiery zealot
should i go to chaos
oak gull
what is your alternative?
potent falcon
You should probably just go with your gut. If you keep asking the discord It's gonna take a while lol
fiery zealot
You should probably just go with your gut. If you keep asking the discord It's g...
i mean
i dont know if its worth to go to chaos with spear
if you guys say no
then i wont be going there for the run
potent falcon
You just gotta judge yourself man you're the one playing the game
oak gull
Chaos can net you another Death Defiance, a better chance to get better boons, that kind of deal. In addition to more damage, etc.
fiery zealot
uhuh
oak gull
Every choice is a gamble.
Some choices have less risk. Some more. Some more reward, some less.
astral walrus
experienced players almost always take chaos gates, but some of his curses are pretty harsh, they can get you killed
oak gull
It also helps having the rerolls.
astral walrus
so being a beginner i used to avoid chaos
also -25 of your health is ruthless when you haven't even unlocked thick skin yet probably
fiery zealot
so what do i always want from poseidon
raw herald
Dash
astral walrus
and then you are left with no health you can't avoid getting hit, you don't have a shield
as a result you die in tart
before getting to meg even
fiery zealot
guys what do i choose from poseidon
potent falcon
For a really long time I wanted to get all my cthonic buddies stories out of the way cause i thought i was moving too fast so i just farmed Nectar for so long lol
twin thistle
well first of all we dont know what hes offering you
fiery zealot
im doing spear
astral walrus
tidal dash and except for that nothing else really, razor shoals and breaking wave are good tier 2 boons
fiery zealot
and hes offering
tempest strike
tempest flourish
tidal dash
potent falcon
For a really long time I wanted to get all my cthonic buddies stories out of the...
How naive I was
How foolish
astral walrus
and hes offering
tempest strike
tempest flourish
tidal dash
so what's the problem
astral walrus
just pick dash
twin thistle
tbh though, dont ask for every decision, you can ask for some, but youre gunna learn nothing if you dont make a single decision yourself