#h1-discussion

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sour elk
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The build is replicable and strong, but the player is weak 😭

whole comet
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lol Hades is a hard fight

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i think lots of players gotta burn all 3 DD just to beat him non-EM4?

tall panther
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I am not high heat andy, But I usually spend 1-2 on him

sour elk
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I’d put him up there on most difficult bosses fights in gaming, personally. ||Sword Saint Isshin from Sekiro|| is my top vote

devout terrace
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Non EM4 is fine once you learn the patterns/i frames

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EM4 is hell

twin thistle
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em4 fo2 hl5 is fun

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without em4/fo1/2 hades is kinda just slow and predictable

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though tbh i get hit by his sweep more at fo0 because im used to fo2 bouldy

devout terrace
wary cypress
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Just a bit of trivia... Yesterday, I caught a fish that's called "Mati" and I'm amused by the name because in Malay, "Mati" means "die". Apt name for an underworld fish.

lone kernel
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Deadly reversal is basically if heart rend was less good

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The one time it really shined for me, I got it then traded my Artemis attack for a heroic Demeter that did 94p more with the Athena dash

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Which meant I had basically a level 14 Artemis attack

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And mirror force arrows

twin thistle
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itd be way cooler if the duration was like 3-4 seconds instead of 2

lone kernel
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📏📠

oak gull
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Alright. First hammer right at the beginning. Rama Bow.

Repulse, Twin or Triple Shot?

gray apex
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Twin or Triple

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Triple requires you to be better at positioning yourself so you can shotgun enemies, this can be risky especially on bosses

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Twin is gud and safe

oak gull
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It also messes with your range.

gray apex
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Twin reduces your range yes

whole comet
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triple shot you could still play normally

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able to get close to land all hit on one enemy is a huge bonus, but not required

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twin will force u to change your style a bit

high island
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Rama's Attack charges so slow that you normally don't get to use the full Attack range anyway, so Twin Shot doesn't really change anything.

brisk trail
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How long would it take me to kill the final boss on hell? I got a few victories in normal

high island
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No clue. Try it out? dusa

whole comet
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depends on ur weapon?

brisk trail
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Im wondering if i can do it in one stream, thats why im askin:D Not sure how hard Hell is

whole comet
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if you're good with bow, then be sure to get 1 key 1st attempt

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and enough darkness to get double dash

brisk trail
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I mainly played malphon

whole comet
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u gotta unlock spear/bow/shield first b4 fist though

high island
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not sure you'd be able to do it in one stream in normal mode if you started a fresh file. It takes awhile to upgrade your mirror to where it is now where you're more comfortable with clearing.

whole comet
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and 1st attempt clear hell mode is incredibly hard

brisk trail
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I took me 17 deaths on normal mode to kill Hades

whole comet
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but then, you're more expereinced with his pattern

brisk trail
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I oneshot him on my first try tho, got a broken build with exa

whole comet
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hell mode pattern is still the same, just with more hp, more dmg per hit and less healing

high island
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Well, you won't have Excalibur for quite awhile on a fresh file.

brisk trail
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Have to go gamer mode then i guess

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Whats excalibur?

marsh rivet
whole comet
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if you're good with bow/shield, then even 2nd-3rd attempt would down him

marsh rivet
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It's just free double damage

whole comet
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spear's 4 keys, prolly very hard to get

high island
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Oh you meant Exagryph. Nevermind.

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Still gonna take a bit to unlock that, though.

brisk trail
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I wanna main the fist weps, soo much fun

high island
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Anyway, if you think it'd be fun to try Hell mode, just go for it.

whole comet
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if u go for fist, i think it prolly take at least 3-4 runs to unlock it

brisk trail
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Okay, thanks for the tips! I guess it will be a long stream lul

whole comet
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so maybe 5th attempt fastest to beat Hades, i guess?

twin thistle
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can you currently consistently clear with all your upgrades?

whole comet
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u won't be able to unlock upgrade or aspect though, so depends if you're good with Zag fist level 1

brisk trail
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I cleared like 5 times, wouldnt call it consistent:D

whole comet
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btw, stream on twitch?

chrome wharf
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I started a hell save right after getting Normal mode credits and took uhhh 15 tries? For first win

brisk trail
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Dont wanna oneshot, just wanna know if i can do it in like 5-6 hours

brisk trail
high island
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The only way to find out how long it will take you is to try.

brisk trail
whole comet
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here's a bad news for u

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i think, people tend to avoid CP1 and JS1

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and hell mode, you're forced to have them 😦

brisk trail
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what are thoose?

gray apex
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Heat

twin thistle
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more enemies and enemy health

gray apex
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Jury Summons and Calisthenics Program

whole comet
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all enemies have 15%hp+ and Jury summon more enemies to clear

gray apex
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Both cant be turned off

chrome wharf
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Enemy HP +15%, Enemies +20% iirc

brisk trail
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only beat it once with the damage+ and more mobs modifiers enabled so i gues thats heat 2

whole comet
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so you're bound to see 3 armor or 5 unarmored first wave lots of time

brisk trail
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So those are the same 2 that is default in hell?

twin thistle
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also hard labor 1 and lasting consequences 1

chrome wharf
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HL1, LC1, CP1, JS1 and PL

whole comet
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what's ur twitch name?

brisk trail
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Uh oh, i guess its time for a double espresso and a whiskey coke before doing it lul

chrome wharf
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+20% dmg -25% healing, no shield if you take lots of dmg

twin thistle
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honestly might take quite a while if you arent experienced already

brisk trail
whole comet
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you prolly could try 1-2 runs b4 starting stream to get a feel

brisk trail
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Nah, have to yolo it:D

whole comet
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feels like it's gonna be fun to watch...

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who knows, ultimately, hell mode does not change enemy pattern

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maybe you'll do fine after a few attempts

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or beat it in an hr or 2 😄

brisk trail
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I have the highlight of one shotting the final boss up on my channel, only bought the game like 2 weeks ago, idk if hell is doable in one stream but i will try:D

whole comet
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a fair warning

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hades's still hard, but clearing to him could be tough

brisk trail
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Just have to cheese it with lucky boons

whole comet
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REALLY tough

oak gull
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isn't hazard bomb a bad hammer for eris?

twin thistle
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probably one of the last hammers for eris id recommend

ember flume
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yeah

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is heavy knuckle good

twin thistle
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not really unless you know youre getting it

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like with fists you start with gods that benefit from fast attacks like zeus or dio

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and heavy knuckle doesnt synergize as well with them

ember flume
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yeah

twin thistle
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if you have a hammer start, it could be interesting

oak gull
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Well, I went with it. It was my second hammer and my special needed one of the upgrades.

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So now it deals 800-1200 damage per hit.

mint coral
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if you have delta chamber, hazard eris is comfy

brisk trail
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great, as soon as i said i wanted to stream my isp shut down my net for 1 hour

echo hedge
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Is it possible that we can get a hades dlc

mint coral
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doubt it

twin thistle
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rather improbable thanthink

echo hedge
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Damn would be really nice if they could expand the story or new weapons

mint coral
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il just rather wait for whatever supergiant plans to do next tbh

marsh rivet
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The story closed pretty cleanly. I don't think I'd want one honestly

whole comet
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lol i dun mind they add more story

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wouldn't say i "don't want one" at least

brisk trail
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well, i wasnt able to beat hell in 4 hours:D

whole comet
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A lot harder than normal right?

brisk trail
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kinda, too bad my pepega accent scares people away lul

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should be doable next stream tho

whole comet
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Personally I think bow or rail are the easiest to beat hell mode early

brisk trail
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yep, gonna try a couple of times with malphon, then rail all the way

twin thistle
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bouldy can confirm hell mode fresh file is a pain and bow is gud

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killing dad with nothing but an epic lvl 2 doom and triple shot takes forever

whole comet
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SR could be a lifesaver 😄

twin thistle
whole comet
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btw, how many attempts b4 u take down Hades?

rapid forum
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Soup Reduction?

twin thistle
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uh 3rd ig

whole comet
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hammer upgrade comes at 3rd, iirc?

chrome wharf
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Stubborn Reflex?

twin thistle
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yep

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to the hammer thing

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triple shot helped out the garbage damage till elysium

whole comet
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how'd it feel? 33 min must be strange XD

twin thistle
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dad fight taking over 5 minutes is fun bouldy

whole comet
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tbh, i dun even know if he's the hardest

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feel like some of the unfair RNG Elysium or Styx minions could be worse...

chrome wharf
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tiny vermin dusa

twin thistle
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yeah he wasnt really hard. it just took forever

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like 34k hp bouldy

whole comet
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dun think i've ever seen tiny vermin on 1st attempt

twin thistle
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champs were a lot more annoying

chrome wharf
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well that wasn't the first

twin thistle
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I just got the dire satyr and deflected everything

chrome wharf
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I definitely had vermin in single digit attempts

twin thistle
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I think I had tiny vermin over 5 times in under 10 clears grinding my new main file bouldy

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also whats SR bouldy

chrome wharf
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OH Stubborn Roots

whole comet
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shadow resistance, something like that

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oops, wrong game O_o

twin thistle
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oh roots

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ew

chrome wharf
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That's Shadow Presence

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it's good ok

twin thistle
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actually how much stuff can even kill you if you hide in the corner blocking with beowulf and with stubborn roots

whole comet
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the guy who said he wanna beat hell mode asap

chrome wharf
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A dad vase directly below your feet

whole comet
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when i saw him pick atk deflect first

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i was like... not very familiar with fresh file run i c XD

vapid narwhal
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dad vase itself is also uh, 35 damage without HS?

chrome wharf
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30

twin thistle
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then just add scintillating feast and vengeful mood bouldy

whole comet
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the jar trap aoe is blockable too

vapid narwhal
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and charged shot?

twin thistle
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the ultimate cheese strat lmao

vapid narwhal
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yeah, if you are "behind" the center point of the AOE, you can block it

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you only take damage if the center point of the AOE is behind you

whole comet
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well, i guess it's assuming if u wanna drag the fight a bit too far

whole comet
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BUT the butterfly should be able to go behind and hit u

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or the cyclops maybe could knock u back

chrome wharf
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Oh you mean outside of dad fight

whole comet
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?

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mini-boss is part of it, i guess?

chrome wharf
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Iguess EM4 sneak too

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yeah I thought that question was about dad fight only

vapid narwhal
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yeah if you are unlucky enough to get the sneak on EM4 just hope you get through phase 1 ASAP lmao

shadow quarry
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okay what is my luck

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got cursed slash from the start

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tbh cursed slash is the only thing that makes me play sword over spear or smth

shadow quarry
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ok i got the most broken build so far

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flurry slash+cursed slash+epic swift strike

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i can facetank the butterfly ball

fast willow
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but combined its probably not bad

twin thistle
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you find out that lot of stuff kinda murders the butterfly ball once you get some more experience

rapid forum
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especially when it just.... stands there... menacingly

shadow quarry
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i wrecked the first phase of hades

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died on the second kuz of the lazers

karmic turret
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Does unlocking new aspects count towards the 5 bloods I need to spend in order to unlock aspect of guan yu?

last veldt
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Unlocking new aspects with a phrase is not spending blood.

karmic turret
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with a phrase? what do you mean

last veldt
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The hidden aspects need a waking phrase

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Anything which spends a Titan blood on an aspect counts

fast willow
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what does BP2 do? does it add extra perks to each enemy or double the effects of BP1?

karmic turret
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So spending the 1 or 2 blood to unlock an aspect counts?

last veldt
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Yes

karmic turret
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weird. I've spent 5 then and I haven't unlocked it yet

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guan yu that is

high island
karmic turret
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yeah I did

high island
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Zag Aspects don't count.

karmic turret
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I know

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I've unlocked 5 new ones total

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then i tried talking to achilles

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but nothing

last veldt
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I isn't always immediate I think

high island
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He'll have a ! above his head. Just gotta do more runs, I guess.

karmic turret
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I'll just keep sacrificing myself til it pops up then

last veldt
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The game queues up key dialogue semi randomly

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Or have fun and do runs

high island
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Or just do a run and get some bounties while you're at it.

vapid narwhal
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unlock 5 non zag aspects, to be exact

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then the rest is just achilles dialogue RNG

high island
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If you sacrifice yourself every time you want some specific dialogue, you'll be doing that a lot. courte5Ohno

twin thistle
karmic turret
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yea

twin thistle
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hmm yeah thats the other requirement other than the 5 non zag aspects. guess just the rng/priority dialogue

fast willow
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for 16 heat i use em3, bp1, mm, fo1, td2, what should i add to get to 20 heat?

twin thistle
vapid narwhal
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TD3 + DC1 (certain weapons)

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DC1 is free heat on a lot of aspects

fast willow
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on my 16 heat runs its usually 20-21 mins completion

twin thistle
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hmm maybe either bp2 plus dc1/lc1 or practice td3 then add td3

fast willow
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so if i get more than 2sack then ill just lose to the deadline

vapid narwhal
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if you are not comfortable with TD3, add DC1 depending on weapons, add LC1 or CF1

fast willow
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how much heat does 1 DC add?

twin thistle
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1

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could also add customs plus lc/hl/dc

vapid narwhal
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LC1 DC1 HL1 CF1 gets you 20

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HL2 instead of CF1 also works

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HL2 isnt that bad

twin thistle
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are you wanting to work up to 32 heat?

fast willow
vapid narwhal
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then go straight to LC4 and start using SD

twin thistle
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or practice td3 early

vapid narwhal
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both work yeah

fast willow
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is LC4 only 4 heat?

twin thistle
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could replace em3 for em2 lc4 and add td3 for 20 heat

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what aspect you using?

vapid narwhal
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EM3 LC4 are staple of 32 heat so might as well start doing that

fast willow
vapid narwhal
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DC2 is totally game on Eris

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free 2 heat

twin thistle
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both eris and beo deal with td3 pretty easily

vapid narwhal
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DC is also a virtually non issue on Zeus

twin thistle
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you know the general eris build right?

vapid narwhal
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a bit less so but should still be very manageable with Chaos

fast willow
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no DC for beo since it blocks casts right

twin thistle
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kk. ig try out first doing a speedrun or two at slightly lower heat then go into 20 with td3

devout terrace
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DC1 beo is ok

twin thistle
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beo does fine because the charge itself gets rid of dc

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also snow burst if you get it

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also the dash strike before the charge

fast willow
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wait does DC apply to all enemies or only armoured ones?

small kestrel
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I had like 40ish attempts and then I switched to controllers and I finally beat hades in like 4 attempts Christ

twin thistle
fast willow
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does boiling blood buff companion summon damage?

twin thistle
fast willow
zealous tapir
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No, that's a summon

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or call, whatever its called

fast willow
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lighting strike is zeus' attack boon

zealous tapir
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oh right

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unsure

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since its technically a seperate instance of damage from the attack itself, though it is triggered by doing your attack

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Probably isn't affected by boiling blood

devout terrace
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Boiling blood only affects BASE attack and special damage

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Its additive

twin thistle
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same with anything that says + attack/special damage

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if something says just + damage then its a global increase

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so including lighting, doom, hangover, etc

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for example ps/ff or rush delivery, or eris

olive meteor
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I'm struggling to unlock the hidden aspect for the shield

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I've had multiple runs with the shield where I encountered chaos but they only talk about Nyx

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Or something else

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I've put in sufficient titan blood in aspect upgrades for the shield, have the two non zagreus aspects at levels requiring 4 titan bloods each for the next level

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What could be wrong?

high island
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Nothing.

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The dialogues about Lady Nyx are important for their story progression, too. So it's not like you're not making progress, you're just progressing in other directions first right now.

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I assume you already have the hidden spear aspect, because you can't get other hidden aspects before you unlock that one.

olive meteor
high island
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Yeah, you'll just have to talk to Master Chaos more often.

frigid fossil
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How do you unlock poseidon's last heart? By doing his last quest with extreme measures?

olive meteor
frigid fossil
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Oh ok. Thanks a lot!

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Im missing only 2

high island
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Very sure you just need to have a fish on you, not have it caught in the same run.

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So just don't hand in any fishies.

frigid fossil
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Well I can test both ways when I catch the last 2

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wont take much

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found a way not to spend too many runs

tall panther
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does attack speed affect dash strike?

high island
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No.

tall panther
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huh

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well extra dashes it is

olive meteor
narrow hemlock
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game just checks you currently hold a fish. most players tend to turn in their fish after a run so that's why guides usually specify the fish needs to be caught before you speak with poseidon, but when you catch it doesn't actually matter, so long as you meet that requirement of having one on you

wary cypress
brisk trail
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eris is a rapid fire shooting weapon so you'll take down the shields fast

wary cypress
brisk trail
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especially with like zeus on attack

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you prob barley notice the shields

wary cypress
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Ooh... Cool! So the shield is only there for one hit right? Not sure if I'm reading that right.

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I did FO2 yesterday thinking "Eh what could it hurt... It's only 40% increased speed..." but it totally was NOT fun. Thankfully I was using Eris.

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I didn't realize that I could get stunlocked....

gray apex
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So DC2 would be 2 hits

wary cypress
brisk trail
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FO2 can be hard yea

wary cypress
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Has anyone here done EM4?

brisk trail
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yeah

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its fine in a vacuum

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its a lot worse with other pacts

gray apex
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Yea it's okay as long as you dont have alot of other pacts

wary cypress
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@brisk trail ahhh ok... Yeah it sounds horrible... So does doing EM4 alone get you anything? Aside from bragging rights?

brisk trail
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I dont remember if it gives you anything? a new song I think

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because you get a new boss theme

wary cypress
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Ahhh ok. Thanks!

brisk trail
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I think its worth to look at it once at least because its dad at full power basicially ;)

wary cypress
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Hahahaha... Yeah. I need to get better at my skills first!

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Has anyone else here wondered how Zag would be able to use a blanket or comforters in bed since he has flaming feet?

chrome wharf
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new music, also new dialogue

wary cypress
chrome wharf
meager ridge
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cursed slash is the best sword hammer

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ok honestly

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i take back what i originally said 2 weeks ago about this game

brisk trail
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im sure nyx came up with a plan since she already had to keep baby thanos from teleporting shadesmile

meager ridge
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this game is actually kinda decent

brisk trail
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ur still playing it so

fast willow
wary cypress
fast willow
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but at low heat it is pretty fun to mess around with

meager ridge
chrome wharf
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yeah I think about story stuff a lot

meager ridge
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tbf i'm playing at heat 6

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erebus more like eresus

brisk trail
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erebus with sword shadegrief

fast willow
devout terrace
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No

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It still sucks

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Fists erebus even worse tbh

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Just by nature of being a close range melee weapon

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You're gonna struggle a lot there

last veldt
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IIRC first time I tried Erebus I got shielded flame wheels. Didn't try again for a while.

devout terrace
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Fairshadefear

chrome wharf
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Well the onion codex isn't gonna complete itself

spice umbra
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Hey, I was wondering, what is the best legendary keepsake?

thorny mirage
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like the companions?

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and in what regard

spice umbra
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Yeah

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Like what makes it easiest to escape

marsh rivet
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Most commonly used is Meg, most of them have uses though

spice umbra
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Ok

thorny mirage
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meg is the most used

spice umbra
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I have been trying to get hers

thorny mirage
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technically dusa does the most damage

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If all of them hit

spice umbra
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Wasn’t sure tho

spice umbra
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Thanks

marsh rivet
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And only if you're not hitting multiple targets (e.g. Heroes, or Styx MM minibosses with multiple bosses)

thorny mirage
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which never happens

spice umbra
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Ok

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Thanks

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Meg

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Alr

marsh rivet
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Other than the timing, just keeping in mind that Meg will target the closest enemy, then fan out more circles in a line perpendicular from the direction Zag is facing. It's not random.

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The easiest way to practice this is against Heroes. If you walk up immediately after Theseus stops talking, and then press Meg (you can do this basically instantly), both of them will get hit, always.

last veldt
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I did get Theseus turn his chariot away and just miss a couple of times but it's a 95% good strat

marsh rivet
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think it actually can't miss if you do it fast enough.

fast willow
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how do you get meg off against DC1/2 heroes

last veldt
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Huh

marsh rivet
last veldt
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Meg gets off on other things shadesmile

marsh rivet
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E.g. it's trivial with Lightning Strike or with Rama special

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If you have Double Edge I think you have time to dash strike twice with Stygius to strip the hearts

karmic turret
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would it be smart to unlock every aspect then choose one to invest into?

marsh rivet
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Yes/no, some aspects perform pretty poorly at low level

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E.g. Guan Yu, Chiron

karmic turret
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Yeah I am wanting to unlock Aspect of Rama but dunno which bow to invest into

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to get the 5 points spent

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I don't like Chirons lack of aoe

marsh rivet
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So you won't really get the feel for using them until they're at max. What you can do is when you have requisite blood, play around with the aspect at max level in the courtyard (do not go back into your bedroom). If you Quit out, you will load in the courtyard again, without having spent anything.

karmic turret
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gotcha!

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how easy is aspect of hera to use?

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i normally dont every use my cast lmao

last veldt
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I love Hera

marsh rivet
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It's pretty different than most other aspects

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So it's not like... easy or hard, it'll really depend on how much you gel with it. One thing I could suggest is that you bind Cast to a shoulder button

karmic turret
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yeah I have cast on Q

marsh rivet
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It makes it easier to dash strike and load casts at the same time

karmic turret
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special on rmb

marsh rivet
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Oh KBM, nvm, no idea, you do you :3

marsh rivet
# karmic turret I don't like Chirons lack of aoe

On surface level, Chiron doesn't have a lot of AoE, but depending on your positioning and how you angle the volleys, you can hit multiple targets very consistently. Also Hangover Chiron basically accomplishes AoE by continuously changing targets.

devout terrace
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I just use base kbm binds for everythingbouldy

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Thats probably unoptimal tbh

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I just can't be bothered

karmic turret
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yeah ill try chiron again

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i just need a few more titan blood

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to unlock rama

marsh rivet
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Rama is... fine at level 1, but degenerate at max level lol. Warning that the learning curve is pretty brutal and unforgiving, as Rama's attack takes almost a whole second to actually go off.

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Very fun and satisfying to use though

karmic turret
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Oh dang I just like the ricochet gameplay

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I used base shield for my first few clears

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but then I found out that rama special sends out 3 ricochet arrows

last veldt
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Oh does Rama get slower?

marsh rivet
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power shot happens in the .875-1 second range off the top of my head? let me find the numbers again lol

last veldt
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Rama special is good for applying multiple stacks of hangover

limber valley
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transistor>hades

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imo

last veldt
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It's fine I don't use it myself but thought it was odd that an aspect wasn't just getting strictly better as it was buffed

karmic turret
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i should do hangover and what for chiron bow build

last veldt
#

Remember you only get so many stacks of hangover

#

So with Chiron you're probably wasting a few shots

marsh rivet
#

I mean I use it lol, so I looked it up for myself. 850-1s for normal power shot, 850-1070ms for Perfect Shot hammer (both assuming dash strike)

marsh rivet
fast willow
last veldt
#

Oh Rama is slower than normal bow, I thought you meant it got slower as you increased its level

marsh rivet
#

Hangover Chiron has some of the fastest God Gauge generation in the game, so getting a good damage call (Zeus, Poseidon, even Demeter) is a pretty high priority. You don't want Dio's Aid because Hangover stacks knock each other off.

last veldt
#

Oh, that's a good point

marsh rivet
#

Chiron is the best Low Tolerance aspect period just because your base volley shoots 8 arrows, so it only takes 1 to get to full 8 stacks of Hangover

#

But even besides that it really doesn't matter, any of the duos are great. Don't be afraid to take good attack hammers (e.g. Twin, Triple, Perfect) to supplement your damage, as you will not have the burst of crit-based Chiron

lone kernel
#

Zeus is meh on Chiron just FYI

#

Once u get to 5 arrows, hangover, then either Artemis or aphro attack

#

Or Artemis cast and pressure points and heart rend vibecat

mint coral
#

If you are doing hangover trippy shot into black out seems better

marsh rivet
#

Better than what? None of these things are mutually exclusive lol

#

You can't squeeze all of them into one build (and you're not going to get everything anyway), but you can do a lot of them lol

high island
#

Just Eris things, though.

marsh rivet
#

Eris is just a better hangover aspect though

high island
#

Yeah lol.

marsh rivet
#

Low Tolerance is kind of mid on it. Not bad, not amazing

#

Relative lol. 75% bonus damage fixes a lot of problems, turns out

high island
#

No, it's top tier on anything. Didn't see you my boon tier list? courte5Wut

#

See?

marsh rivet
#

lol. can't argue with that

mint coral
#

What are the lc4 ones? Outside of nourished soul

gray apex
#

After Party

#

And Sunken Treasure

high island
#

I have no idea from when that one is lol.

chrome wharf
#

Something useless on LC4 can be ok outside of it

gray apex
#

no

marsh rivet
#

And it's not. Healing usually has a pretty high opportunity cost of gold for other boons, or boons that aren't Nourished Soul or After Party lol

high island
#

Yeah, Nourished Soul can be pretty good outside of LC4, especially for newer players.

#

And you immediately get some healing.

#

After Party in practice almost never actually does anything.

gray apex
high island
#

It's your prerogative to block somebody, but you don't need to make a public announcement about it. That's pretty rude and unnecessary.

chrome wharf
#

alright

olive meteor
#

Anybody know what are the dialogue options that result in the Achilles/Patroculus union?

#

I've been constantly speaking to both of them, I just had Achilles tell me to try harder (?) Idk how far I am in progressing their quests

marsh rivet
#

Hard to say. Achilles in particular always has plenty to comment about basically everything that you do and everyone you talk to

olive meteor
marsh rivet
#

Lol, yeah, on my Hell Mode save, I kept advancing storylines because I wasn't losing runs, so Achilles took probably around 40-50 runs before he decided to teach me about hidden aspects.

lone kernel
high island
#

Any time you have Shadow Presence and a decent Cast that can backstab.

#

Then get Blinding Flash and some Backstab or Cast damage bonus from Master Chaos and Wells of Charon.

marsh rivet
high island
#

According to Bright01's testing, it doesn't. courte5Ohno

marsh rivet
#

... How is it that every time I take a break from this game, Parting Shot's known effect changes lol

lone kernel
#

so like

#

hera crush shot

#

is the main place where its awesome

marsh rivet
#

Lightning Phalanx can backstab pretty easily lol.

high island
#

Phalanx Shot, Crush Shot, True Shot, Flood Shot. Can work well with all of them.

high island
high island
#

Gotta counter that disinformation campaign.

marsh rivet
#

Lol, that's a good way to guarantee Smoldering Air on Arthur. Frame the run in your mind as "I want to test Parting Shot"

lone kernel
#

Does it work with blade rifts

marsh rivet
#

Only casts that can backstab

#

So no to rifts, or Trippy Shot. Crystal Beam can backstab

high island
#

I think Slicing Shot can backstab. thanthink

marsh rivet
#

lol, blade rifts always surprising me, it seems

high island
#

Yeah, only Trippy Shot is excluded.

mint coral
#

Slicing can backstab

#

I still have a clip of it in my switch/posted somewhere here

dull niche
#

that’s wild lmao

#

I never knew that

high island
#

Parting Shot with Cold Embrace is also pretty nice. With Shadow Presence, that's +115% damage.

marsh rivet
#

I mean, if your Hunting Blades run goes wrong enough where you end up with Parting Shot first, easy value.

dull niche
#

it would have to quite wrong but hey a duos a duo

high island
#

Or you build something else like Heart Rend, take Divine Dash, and run into Lord Ares and figure might as well take Slicing Shot.

marsh rivet
#

"figure might as well take Slicing Shot" is pretty good code for "thanks AP2"

lone kernel
#

Or “cool it’s epic so 155 at the purging pool”

high island
#

I mean if I have Lady Artemis core boons and already have Heart Rend, why not go for Hunting Blades?

lone kernel
#

Wouldn’t you rather have smoldering tho

marsh rivet
#

I probably wouldn't just to maintain Heart Rend critted Boiling Blood damage

high island
#

Not sure how Smoldering Air is an option with that pool, though. dusa

lone kernel
#

Take Zeus instead of ares

#

Or if you mean a random ares in mid asphodel

high island
#

Yeah, essentially.

#

You don't always get to choose all four.

lone kernel
#

Lol yeah

#

I’m so happy when I get aphro Zeus in Tartarus

high island
marsh rivet
#

Shrug yeah I could see either way. A lot of my bias is that I don't ever really take Slicing Shot so I'm bad at using it. Not really sure of the range, and I don't want to deal with cast management on some aspects lol

#

I guess it's more or less free with Stygian Soul though lol

high island
#

The fact that you need Hunting Blades to make Slicing Shot decent makes it somewhat unlikely that you end up with that + Parting Shot, though, that's for sure.

#

Well, it can be quite alright with just Engulfing Vortex.

lone kernel
#

ares bad sadge

tall panther
#

I had ares give me good stuff totally unrelated to my build

#

By the end of the run, My main build got replaced by him with a cast

#

Legendary extra casts and duo homing

#

And some other good stuff

stable dagger
#

Daily reminder the best character and girl in hades the video game is Artemis the godess of the hunt

brisk trail
#

why does everyone have such an obsession with Artemis?

gray apex
#

Artemis gud

brisk trail
#

because...?

storm fox
#

Because she is Artemis

brisk trail
#

no reasoning?

full nexus
#

People love crit and she's always good as support god even if you don't go for deadly strike/flourish with boons such as support fire, pressure points/hunter's mark

#

She may be a bit overrated on some weapons but still a very good god

lone kernel
#

She’s useful even if she isn’t a focus

#

Not like getting forced into Demeter or ares and being like, sadge

devout terrace
brisk trail
#

shes cute and she does dmg

hearty bramble
high island
hearty bramble
cyan tiger
#

the most visceral green

modern arch
#

Am getting back into hades

#

I love how easy it is to get back into,

#

It’s just so intuitive :]

alpine monolith
#

ngl cluster bombs might be the most fun ive ever had in hades

tropic arrow
#

is it possible to run into Rare Crop multiple times in a run?

mint coral
#

no

brisk trail
#

how do i get the chaos legendary?

gray apex
#

No

brisk trail
#

i was in 5 times last game and didn't get offered

#

i need it for the prophecy ;-;

gray apex
#

It’s rng really

#

It’s pretty rare

tropic arrow
#

Hmmm

gray apex
#

Turn on God’s Legacy

tropic arrow
#

But I did take Sunken Treasure 3 times in a run

brisk trail
#

oh yeah legacy

tropic arrow
#

How do I know which boons can be taken multiple times?

#

There's a list for it?

brisk trail
mint coral
#

sunken treasure is the only one that can be obtained multiple times

#

(technically almost all of them can be obtained again if you sell them tho dusa)

gray apex
#

Nourished Soul - Premium Vintage - Rare Crop are the ones you cant take multiple times

#

They are also unsellable

brisk trail
#

i got lightning rod offered three times in one run

gray apex
#

I cant think of any others

thick cypress
brisk trail
#

no, found it in #fan-works actually!

#

heres the original creator

thick cypress
#

thanks!! he looks very comfy

chrome wharf
#

EM Lernie is not trivial if you take too many enemy-buffing heats

twin thistle
#

high heat lernie and furies without acorn with guan yu is fun

whole comet
#

i think EM1 could still be difficult sometimes

twin thistle
#

alecto with tisiphone back up is fun bouldy

whole comet
#

EM2, only blue lernie could cause real trouble

chrome wharf
#

though I suppose OP's point still stands since EM dad is still much harder if on equal ground

whole comet
#

lol and the intro looks exactly the same

chrome wharf
#

Zag's comment about sable steeds is neat since that's iirc how he kidnapped Persephone in the myth

strong ridge
#

walking out of boss fight after dropping 200 hp

spare tiger
grizzled needle
#

Will there ever be dlc?

spare tiger
#

so much could be done

grizzled needle
#

Right

#

The game is already great too

late acorn
#

Extreme measures hades is such a huge difficulty spike for me

twin thistle
#

em4 dad is probably one of the hardest pacts

lone kernel
karmic turret
#

athena/ares duo boons will only come from either ares or athena correct

twin thistle
karmic turret
#

man I'm having terrible luck then

#

ive been trying to go the doom dash build

#

but cannot get the duo to save my life

#

ive met the prereq's a few times now

twin thistle
karmic turret
#

yea

#

oh wai

#

wait

#

only her dash

twin thistle
#

I'd recommend checking the codex

karmic turret
#

ares spec/athena dash

#

dont have my codex upgraded enough i dont think

#

cant see any of the boons

spare current
#

bro i had 0 DDs left on a rama aspect bow run and was fully prepared to lose to hades
then he just decided to let me go without a fight because of the story thing

twin thistle
#

its a contractor upgrade that unlocks eventually but yeah, for merciful end athena's dash doesnt fill the prereq

#

only her attack/special

karmic turret
#

well thatd make more sense haha

#

ty

hardy geode
#

If you are trying to do a run “without” boons, should you use fated persuasion or authority

twin thistle
hardy geode
#

That’s what I figured

#

Thanks

spare tiger
#

dont forget to take the shackle with you

hardy geode
#

How does shackle work with hunters dash

#

If you have hunters dash but no attack boon

marsh rivet
#

Hunter Dash still applies

hardy geode
#

And likewise does h dash apply on top of an attack boon

marsh rivet
#

yes

hardy geode
#

Thanks

rapid forum
#

if I were to play zeus special sword

#

which aspect should I go for?

#

I have chosen Zag

spare tiger
#

I've always been a Nemesis fan but any of the base aspects work fine

uneven lintel
#

You guys think there's any chance for Supergiant Store Merch Sale soon? Discounts On Hades Merch?
Either Halloween or November??
What happened last year? Been a long time since they had a sale going

rapid forum
#

I just got to asphodel and mg thunder flourish is level 6

#

double strike or static discharge?

fast willow
#

i would go jolted cause sword special isnt the fastest hitting

rapid forum
#

I got the twice special hit hammer

marsh rivet
#

I'd take double strike over common Jolted in Asphodel maybe. You may get lucky and get Lightning Strike + Splitting Bolt

rapid forum
#

And I went ds

#

Then got legendary

marsh rivet
#

But Rare+ jolted is a lot of damage

fast willow
marsh rivet
#

do the 2 novas hit far enough apart that they both trigger a lightning bolt?

rapid forum
#

I recorded it

#

even then I can't tell dusa

#

because I also got sea storm

#

and tidal dash

fast willow
#

will hypersprint rush delivery damage buff dashstrike powershots from rama? No right since you arent moving while you powershot?

#

also i just realised that zeus special on rama is way better than ares since you can get jolted from it as well

#

also ares duos are way worse

twin thistle
#

you dont have to be moving to get the benefit

frigid fossil
#

Jesus christ how long does it take to unlock dusas last dialogue in my room? Also hypnos too. I have completed every relationship with everyone.

last veldt
#

Hypnos was my last competition by a long way (about 20 runs after everything else).

#

RNG can be cruel.

tall panther
#

Do I ever purge divine dash?

#

because I have want pom blossom to target just my attack boon

#

plus eurydice chance

lone kernel
tall panther
#

well

#

that's why I am asking

high island
#

It's not a wise choice unless you just want to pom a single boon for fun, perhaps.

tall panther
#

I think imma do it just to see how bad of a choice it is

last veldt
#

It's a good way to learn.

tall panther
#

I don't reserve my dash slot for that ever, I just pick it,when all other options suck

last veldt
#

You can get it back later too. I sold Divine Dash twice in one run and still got it back as an Epic in Styx (I really wanted Splash Dash for that build).

tall panther
#

tidal wave?

last veldt
#

Yeah

tall panther
#

ok, so

#

my choice may pay off

#

rare crop

last veldt
#

Yay

tall panther
#

yep

#

choose the attack boon

last veldt
#

Big hits

tall panther
#

and urge to kill

last veldt
#

Sounds like you're sorted

tall panther
#

Yee

#

I think I might hit a new igt record with this

last veldt
#

Nice

tall panther
#

5 min flat hydra entry

last veldt
#

Maybe grab a call and/or cast in Styx to backfill stuff (Athena would be my choice)

#

What weapon are you using?

tall panther
#

coronacht

#

twin shot and perfect shot

#

aspect of zagreuss

last veldt
#

Nice. Aphro attack?

tall panther
#

athena unfortunately

last veldt
#

Not bad though

tall panther
#

ye

last veldt
#

What would you want 2nd hammer to be? Exploding Shot? Maybe at this point it just doesn't really matter.

tall panther
#

I already have both hammers

#

first is the twinn shot

#

second perfect shot

last veldt
#

Oh, thought you were still at Hydra

tall panther
#

fighting asterius at 7 minutes

last veldt
#

Damn that's fast

tall panther
#

he died in 20 seconds

last veldt
#

At a guess you're doing 1200 per twin power shot hit by now.

#

Or more

tall panther
#

around 544

#

so not so great

#

or rather 600

#

771

#

so around that

last veldt
#

Oh

#

Interesting. My maths must be off

tall panther
#

gonna check on theseus I guess

#

604 most shots

#

no satyr on second tunnel

last veldt
#

Boo

tall panther
#

somehow on third

#

wasn't it 2 or 5 only?

last veldt
#

No

#

Any value in between is possible

tall panther
#

ah

#

13:00.06

last veldt
#

Grats. Better than my best by a long way.

#

What pom level in the end?

tall panther
#

seventh

last veldt
#

Ahh. I'd been assuming you'd get over 10.

tall panther
#

+78% from chaos +144% attack boon +25% urge to kill +180% Battle rage

#

twin shot so 2x and perfect shot +150%

last veldt
#

Sadly battle rage doesn't help as much in boss fights

tall panther
#

yeah

last veldt
#

Maybe I'm getting the calculation wrong, but that feels like (even without battle rage) you should be doing way more than 600-700 per hit

tall panther
#

hmm

last veldt
#

1.78 x 2.44 x 1.25 x 2 x 2.5 ~= 27

tall panther
#

I'm pretty sure they add up

#

and then multiply the base value

last veldt
#

Ooooh

#

Not multiplicative

tall panther
#

I would assume so

last veldt
#

So 8x overall assuming that twin shot has to multiply by 2

#

That makes more sense

#

Plus battle rage

tall panther
#

947,8 with battle rage

#

per shot

#

then mirror talents

#

but I am too lazy to do it all

last veldt
#

Fair. GG though.

tall panther
#

I am practicing for a race with my friends, so indeed, It would be an overkill to get a run like that

stable dagger
#

Daily reminder that no Goddess compares to our resident best girl Artemis, the Goddess of the hunt

devout terrace
#

so true bestie

marsh rivet
fast willow
#

i always thought that you could only cancel it by releasing attack

spare tiger
#

May your crits one tap all and may your cover fire cheese all rail runs

lunar orchid
#

hey you know the mirror upgrade that adds a bonus upgrade for foes with a stone stuck in them

#

does that stack?, if you were to put 3 stones in someone does it give 3x damage

spare tiger
#

It's not direct multiplied damage, and I'm not 100% sure

#

I think it's 10%

#

And if stones stack damage up i think it would be 30%

#

Haven't played in a hot minute so you'll probably want to ask the pros

lunar orchid
#

its 50% ranked up

devout terrace
#

and its additive damage

#

that only applies to base special and attack damage

zealous tapir
#

Is boiling blood worth it at all in that case

marsh rivet
#

It's very awkward to me, maybe if I rebound something to a shoulder

gray apex
zealous tapir
#

I use it over abyssal

#

but if the damage boost isn't that high, then maybe abyssal instead

lunar orchid
#

woah when i killed asterious and other guy there was a grim reaper thing flash over

#

ive never seen that before wtf is that

last veldt
#

Did you just run out of time?

lunar orchid
#

no

#

i won

mint coral
#

demeter legendary ig

lunar orchid
#

o i do have that

#

is that what its from?

#

cause that was badass

#

ive had like 300 runs already and never seen that

gray apex
mint coral
zealous tapir
#

Yeh

lunar orchid
#

omg i can put down nine laser beams LOL

fast willow
#

so i finished my first 20 heat with td3 on eris rail

#

tartarus took me 4min 58 seconds but the overall run was like 13min 30 sec

lunar orchid
#

nice

fast willow
#

what am i doing wrong in tartarus thats costing me so much time?

lunar orchid
#

i still cant get below 10 min

#

i always get distracted

#

im a rec my hades fight this is just wacky with so many laser beams

fast willow
#

for reference, asphodel took me less than 2min 30sec

#

and i try to take free shop rooms whenever possible for all the biomes

#

anyone have any tips?

lunar orchid
#

ahhhh

#

i didnt record that sucks

#

oh well

#

that was cool tho ive never beat hades with the demeter legendary

#

that was awesome

#

does it do that every time or just the first time?

gray apex
# fast willow anyone have any tips?

It mostly comes down to clearing rooms efficiently, and keeping your buff up with Eris, you could watch some speedruns with the aspect so you can figure out where you're wasting the most time

marsh rivet
fast willow
#

i got cluster bomb and zeus attack in tart, arty special at the end

lone kernel
#

Fiery presence could assist w oneshotting dudes

fast willow
#

no jolted or splash dash

fast willow
lone kernel
#

yeah

marsh rivet
#

I mean, to be fair neither Shadow Presence or Fiery Presence are likely to do basically anything

devout terrace
zealous tapir
#

Indeed

fast willow
#

also somehow i lost a DD to EM meg but then took 6 hits against dad

#

but i guess clockets melting him had something to do with that

marsh rivet
#

Lol, yeah, clockets runs are... something

lone kernel
#

Yeah, I wasn’t paying attention I missed it was Eris

#

Basically pray for natural splash dash and jolted in Tartarus then win game

last veldt
marsh rivet
#

I meant specifically with Eris

last veldt
#

Ahh fair enough

shadow quarry
#

is fated persuasion worth

#

can i reroll every boon i come across once?

#

or is it like 1 for the boons in the whole run

marsh rivet
#

You can get up to 4 of them, and yes, they are incredibly worth

#

You have 4 rerolls that can be used (one time) on boons, poms, wells, or purging pools

shadow quarry
#

nice, is it 1 time per run

#

kuz the text is confuzing

twin thistle
shadow quarry
#

yeah but is it 4 rerolls each boon or each run

twin thistle
#

run

#

theyre like authority, you consume them every time you reroll

#

easiest is to just do a run with them

charred hemlock
#

I didnt win today but I had quake cutter with magnetic cutter and drunken florish along with low tolerance curse of nausea bad influence and peer pressure it was fun

#

also quake cutter drunken florish is fun

#

you just splash a lot of poision

terse locust
#

hey does anyone know if crystal clarity and cold embrace stack

raw herald
#

Can’t get them both at the same time

terse locust
#

game won't let me?

#

i know nothing about duo boons really

devout terrace
#

Same with curse of drowning and mirage shot for example

terse locust
#

okay i gotcha

#

essentially 2 different abilities then, thanks

devout terrace
#

Yep

terse locust
#

which would be better dps wise

#

im doing a magnetic twin fist run

#

still in tartarus and already have almost +200 special dmg

#

200%*

devout terrace
#

Aphro's harder to get the value, and more dangerous

terse locust
#

im gunning for parting shot too

#

if i can somehow make that beam crit i think i can make it work

raw herald
#

I’d go for mirage shot since you already have Artemis in your god pool

#

And mirage shot is better in every way tbh

terse locust
#

i got lucky and made cold embrace work

#

stygian soul + legendary fully loaded has beams everywhere

#

mirage shot wouldve been better, but i wanted to play around with cold embrace, looks too cool to be so lame on its own

ripe socket
#

Quick question: Are there any plans for some kind of Hades expansion DLC? The game is more than complete than it is, but I personally wouldn't mind for more 😛

lone kernel
#

Hoping for four specific gods is gonna take a few attempts, but pressure points and meme beam is super nice to have

#

if you’re doing meme beams Artemis call becomes pretty solid especially if you can add heart rend 🙂

tall panther
#

I think I'm getting hang of the fast runs

#

Like I average about 16 minutes per run igt

lone kernel
#

based

whole comet
#

Still preparing for the tour?

tall panther
#

race?

#

yeah

#

but they changed it so we can choose aspects

#

and now I need to train some alternate aspects

#

mainly neptune, achilles and magnetic hook

whole comet
#

Oh? Not Demeter fist?

#

That one is the best for fist dmg, I think

tall panther
#

hmm

#

I will look further into it

#

since I am not a big fists fan, I think I can easily transfer to the optimal option

#

but not master it

#

also is eris like a must on the rail while racing, or can other aspects match it?

twin thistle
#

if you do a boonless speed run you can do hestia rail though lol

whole comet
#

Lol should have them do boonless race

craggy pumice
#

Yeah I’d go Eris

tall panther
#

Actually I already did boonless on hestia

craggy pumice
#

And Demeter fists is the fastest

twin thistle
craggy pumice
#

You can one shot enemies with charged special

tall panther
#

hmm

#

what about the shield

twin thistle
#

beowulf

#

sped

#

and easy

#

flood flare > arty boon except dash> mirage shot

tall panther
#

Welp I guess I will end up with neptune, achilles, beowulf, zagreus, demeter, zagreus/hestia

twin thistle
#

then if you get charged shot hammer, dem snow burst, or some chaos boon youll go even more sped

#

nemesis faster than poseidon sword imo but if youre better with it then yeah just use that

tall panther
#

I guess I will grind them both for a little

#

and then check it

#

not a big stygius fan

twin thistle
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hera bow is also more popular for speedruns i think

tall panther
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vastly

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but I played it like 2 times max so far

twin thistle
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mkay

tall panther
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uh oh

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beowulf is the cast loading shield

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that may be tricky

twin thistle
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easier if you bind cast to a shoulder button

chrome wharf
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some people swap cast to LT (or whichever you use for rail reloading) since the thinking is similar

twin thistle
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i have cast on rb and reload on rt

chrome wharf
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your dash on a face button?

twin thistle
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used to be lb

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now lt because lb broke

chrome wharf
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played too many games with "quick movement burst" on RT so I refuse to re-map my brain

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can probably yeet the codex button

tall panther
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I imagine I always go for Fated Persuasion?

whole comet
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Btw, u said the race won’t use mod, I remember?

tall panther
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yep

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we're stopping at sharing a file

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and they somehow decided to choose my scuffed file

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where spear has half of the heat rewards even tho I never went outside of heat 4

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on it

whole comet
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Then, be sure some boon could be bad for certain weapons

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Like beo cast, Zeus cast is kinda sux

twin thistle
tall panther
tall panther
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and 31 diamonds

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Also If I stopped being stubborn about jumping from 8 heat to 32, I think I could gather quite a lot of titan blood

whole comet
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Lol If just for the race, would be easy to find a file online that have everything unlocked

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If all of u were pc

tall panther
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Yeah, I do have to max out quite a bit of keepsakes if we want to use my save, I guess I will just talk to them about it

whole comet
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Not that it matters, if u could clear runs in 15 min-18 min that’s pretty decent

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I mean, rarely people could push lower. All the time…

tall panther
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today I did 13:00.06 on bow and 2 runs later 14:44 on shield

whole comet
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I wonder how’s the people do

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U said one of them play on god mode

tall panther
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Well, one has fastest of 36 minutes

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Yep

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Another complained about the lack of godmode

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But today she also almost got something like 16 minutes on the sword

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But Hades killed her

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One I have no idea, because he wasn't on vc for the last few days

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And I know one is aproaching 100 runs on their save

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I don't fear the 36 minutes guy because yes

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And I don't fear the unknown guy because he tends to rage quite easily

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Now the god mode user went head to head with my shield 14:44 but died

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And the last guy seems to have the same amount of experience as me

whole comet
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I suppose always one guy would be unexpectedly good

tall panther
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Well the angry guy just asked how we're getting runs 100% faster than his

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So that is something

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Anyways, I think Imma come back here once the first two of 8 runs are done

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Cya till then

lone kernel
chrome wharf
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or you can alternate between 32 and lowest heat for bounties, so you get some every other run

grizzled needle
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Is there any news for future updates?

lone kernel
grizzled needle
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Like no updates

lone kernel
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Unless some major game crashing bug surfaces, nope

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maybe some random odd back end tech stuff but no more story or dlc and so on

modern pollen
subtle venture
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Hephaestus would be cool for fire-themed boons

modern pollen
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yeah and maybe something that alters the daedalus hammers

subtle venture
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Alternatively, he could replace the Daedalus hammer, but I think that might be too major a change

modern pollen
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make daedalus the house contractor

subtle venture
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That could work

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I don't know how Hera or Apollo would work in theory, though

whole comet
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even if there's fire-themed boon

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how'd u make it mechincally different from dioysus?

modern pollen
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well hera could have something based on basic magic and apollo something based on solar

whole comet
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u gotta think about in terms of game mechanic too

modern pollen
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actually i think hera might work like hermes being a support boon

subtle venture
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I was thinking about that

whole comet
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and with duo

subtle venture
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Maybe the fire boons could just make stuff explode or something

brisk trail
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i could beat hades irl if i felt like it

modern pollen
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maybe they could have it be when they touch other enemies they spread the burn effect

subtle venture
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Good idea, actually

modern pollen
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also i really want mount olympus to be an area in the game

subtle venture
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Mount Olympus could be an area you get to if you no-hit Hades (The boss, not the game)

modern pollen
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that would be cool

subtle venture
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That might be a bit challenging, though

narrow hemlock
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the reason they didnt add another area was because they were satisfied with the length of runs

subtle venture
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Ah, ok, thanks for clarifying

modern pollen
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i was thinking maybe you would have no boons and have to fight god chambers which would have special enemies until you reach the god and then you have to fight them and then you can get one thing from their boons

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you win if you take out all of the gods

narrow hemlock
modern pollen
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maybe you could get hades boons to fight them or something idk

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it makes sense

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but you know this type of stuff would still be cool

subtle venture
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I was also thinking of how a scythe weapon could work

whole comet
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i suppose since lots of other games get DLC, people feel Hades should be too

subtle venture
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I'm perfectly fine with Hades as it is, I'm just thinking of things that would be cool.

modern pollen
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yeah same here

whole comet
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there's some things in games i personally think might be a bit rough to do

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like Erebus gate or get to fight Charon

modern pollen
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yeah

whole comet
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and Pat...

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seems too much of a game changer

modern pollen
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who

whole comet
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the Elysium guy which restores ur DD

modern pollen
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oh patroclus

subtle venture
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Patroclus

modern pollen
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yeah kiss of styx premium is really kool

subtle venture
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I think being able to fully restore death defiance is something I honestly kind of need sometimes

whole comet
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it is a nice buff, but also

subtle venture
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Especially during runs where I have low HP

whole comet
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feels like OP

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like at high heat, having him or not makes a HUGE difference

modern pollen
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i mean i don't die to much anymore so i'll either get cyclops jerky premium or hydralite premium but it's still a nice option

subtle venture
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I usually go for KOSP or HLG when I meet him

modern pollen
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also i have no idea what hydralite is but if it has to do with the hydra shouldn't it poison not heal

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just thought that was wierd

lone kernel
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I always imagined it as an underworld brand name, like diet Mountain Dew but via charon’s economy

lone kernel
whole comet
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REAL sad part is if u got Pat and 2nd Styx room is not sack

lone kernel
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A late patty means you can maybe stretch it to 3

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but those tactical suicides waiting to get eaten by rats to top off my health before it expires

whole comet
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maybe then u'll be thinking things like "should've picked HS" or "why's there no trap in this room when Pat's buff about to expire" XD

modern pollen
lone kernel
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Hydra lite gold is in a gold bottle and made with real hydra blood