Oh boy, a chance to talk about my favorite thing, expected values
#h1-discussion
autumn fog
Oh God are we about to bust out some stats talk
lone kernel
.85100+.15300
tropic arrow
🤔 I think there's something wrong in that math
marsh rivet
Oh God are we about to bust out some stats talk
Too late
tropic arrow
Let me figure it out
lone kernel
130
tropic arrow
Because a multiplicative damage bonus definitely goes to the expected value
tropic arrow
If one has lower expected value than the other and they receive the same x% multiplier
The lower one won't become higher magically
marsh rivet
crit bad, join the cult of Aphrodite and nyaanyaa’s crocodiles
I would be lying if I said this wasn't a huge reason why I like Artemis so much.
rapid forum
I would be lying if I said this wasn't a huge reason why I like Artemis so much.
I see you also like crocodiles 
autumn fog
Also Artemis is nice and aphro is a bit of a pain
No offense to the voice actors
lone kernel
I love throwing in a pressure points and hunters mark when I get the chance haha
pure karma
Heeeey
lone kernel
uh ohhhh
high island
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIW5HbOHISyth1SjJxlwA6Achu5iDk9hhFr3bwm6nFU/edit?usp=sharing
pure karma
Also Artemis is nice and aphro is a bit of a pain
No offense to the voice actors
You just unleased the kraken
There is the kraken
high island
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kRqJP2m-6w3WsZVQiCsQtgwbeUmV2lghJVJAfQV_nU4/edit?usp=sharing
rapid forum
alright that was a fun read, gonna do a run now
autumn fog
Same
tropic arrow
Oh right it's because they are NOT multiplying with the same multiplier, since they had different base bonus. (1.2 vs 1.5)
autumn fog
I actually just poked my head in to say aspect of Arthur is fun
tropic arrow
So when added 1.5 one is timed with 2.5x and the other is timed with 2.0x
autumn fog
Have a nice day lol
tropic arrow
I'm not sure that's how the damage is actually calculated
But if it is, then unlike what you said, the damage bonus would be additive instead of multiplicative
marsh rivet
I'm not actually sure what you're saying with either of your replies
high island
sum of base damge * sum of bonus damage * sum of crit bonus
tropic arrow
(1.2) -> (1.2 + 1.5) # 2.25x dmg
(1.5) -> (1.5 + 1.5) # 2.00x dmg
So instead of being a multiplier, the bonus we get actually add to the multiplier
pure karma
Heartbreak Strike is better always
the end
15% chance for huge number is worse than 100% chance for big number
Now with Nemesis MAYBE
but then again criting with Heartbreak is amazing
marsh rivet
Heartbreak Strike is better always
This is really not a "better always" kind of game lol. Chiron hits 8/sec, other bows can hit 2x or 3x (or more with Rama) per shot, Nemesis can hit 2x per hit, all of these will smooth out the crit curve dramatically
tropic arrow
A bit off topic, but I think that the idea of 'critical hit' in most games, including Hades, is not made fun
pure karma
This is really not a "better always" kind of game lol. Chiron hits 8/sec, other...
I said Strike not Flourish
tropic arrow
Well, in Hades you at least still see some big numbers
pure karma
Deadly Flourish on Chiron is probably better
tropic arrow
There are games where you kill an enemy in 10 to 15 minutes
pure karma
But that's about it imo
high island
Lady Aphrodite's boons are always superior. 
tropic arrow
And big numbers mean literally nothing because all that matters in the end is the DPS
high island
ALWAYS.
pure karma
I mean, does she have any "useless" boons?
I have never found an aphro boon and said "man, these options suck"
high island
Of course not. All of Lady Aphrodite's boons are perfectly perfect in every way.
tropic arrow
I mean, does she have any "useless" boons?
The cast, if not combined with specific weapon aspects / boons
tropic arrow
It's not always usable
marsh rivet
That's an opinion, not if you want to get Boiling Blood on a ranged aspect. But that's splitting hairs, it's so aspect dependent
high island
The cast is one of the best overall
People are scared of Crush Shot's "low" range. They have no courage in their heart. 
marsh rivet
Oh god I agree with him I must be wrong
pure karma
People are scared of Crush Shot's "low" range. They have no courage in their hea...
Blown Kiss?????
vapid narwhal
the range is way longer than you expect in the first place!
high island
Blown Kiss is literally the bestest boon in the game.
marsh rivet
Lol figuring in a tier 2 to fix a bad core boon for some aspects is not worth considering
high island
Crush Shot is great.
pure karma
Oh god I agree with him I must be wrong
Come on, I am not that bad anymore
I am med-to high tier now
marsh rivet
I agreed with Leeon :3
pure karma
I disagree with your agreement
marsh rivet
There we go
tropic arrow
I disagree with your disagreement
pure karma
fair
tropic arrow
pure karma
in all seriousness, I wouldn't take Crush Shot with Gun
WOuld take with everything else
high island
I am med-to high tier now
It's okay. ledgerdamayn is a low tier Crush Shot user because he doesn't trust his heart. 
marsh rivet
Crush Shot is great.
It's awkward on some bows too. I really dislike it on Rama and Chiron. You'd think it'd be fine on Rama (honestly it mostly is) but you really want to lead your cast quite a while since you'll already be spending like a second in close to melee range to get your attack off
high island
No legend. Didn't even beat 50+ in Early Access smh.
pure karma
I always take point-blank or twin shot with Rama so I don't know what you are talking about
Rama is basically melee for me
marsh rivet
Yeah even then. I don't want to spend more time in melee range to make sure I get Crush Shot before going for a point blank charge
tropic arrow
Anyone got any suggestion on how to make poseidon aspect work
oak gull
any cast builds MUST have flurry cast
oak gull
did you EM4?
high island
ledgerdamayn will remain forever in the ledgerds club, never allowed into the legends club.
pure karma
ledgerdamayn will remain forever in the ledgerds club, never allowed into the le...
where am I
high island
Who?
marsh rivet
why
tropic arrow
did you EM4?
No but I FO2
pure karma
Rip Current makes Poseidon's call amazing
tropic arrow
I think I just don't know how to build around this aspect
marsh rivet
Oh let's back up to Privileged Status. What a ponzi scheme that perk is.
tropic arrow
Wait you are talking about Sword Poseidon
Ahhhh yea
oak gull
the sword is sucky in general
tropic arrow
the sword is sucky in general
Yeah
oak gull
sub-average
tropic arrow
Compared to other weapons for sure
tropic arrow
Does arthur have any aspect-specific hammer upgrades?
I've never done any run with it
Just doesn't feel smooth
Like the rail
But the rail can be salvaged by hammer
high island
Poseidon Aspect is really really good.
pure karma
Yes, bigger aura
pure karma
Poseidon Aspect is really really good.
pls no
high island
Stygius doesn't really fall off until like 40+.
tropic arrow
Poseidon Aspect is really really good.
I remember seeing a log of speed run videos when I first started this game
pure karma
Ok I am gonna play Poseidon Aspect then m'lady
tropic arrow
With Poseidon aspect
pure karma
If I can't beat 40 heat with it it sucks
high island
Nemesis and Poseidon both have really good DPS.
brisk trail
I forgot which weapon is that from
high island
If I can't beat 40 heat with it it sucks
Maybe it's not the sword.
pure karma
no way
tropic arrow
The recover time of the special attack is a bit long
pure karma
I thought you believed in me Nyaanyaa
tropic arrow
How do I retrieve my stones safely when there are many enemies around?
oak gull
Nemesis and Poseidon both have really good DPS.
They are good aspects, but they build off the normal sword.
tropic arrow
Hopping into the crowd with special always gets me hit
rapid forum
funny, I just did a poseidon run
high island
You're mainly doing Cast > Dash-Strike x2 and get your Casts back just by killing enemies, until your Casts are enough to kill them.
tropic arrow
What
high island
When you need to actually use your Special to retrieve them, you just do Special > Dash-Strike x2 > Cast etc.
A decent Cast build on Poseidon Aspect doesn't need to use Special much to retrieve bloodstones.
marsh rivet
Bosses are the exception of course. Similar to Hera lol. It's bloodstone drop ability only matters for bosses
tropic arrow
A decent Cast build on Poseidon Aspect doesn't need to use Special much to retri...
But if that’s the case why do I use Poseidon aspect
marsh rivet
Because you get a huge cast damage bonus and you can still cast bosses to death
tropic arrow
There’s a cast damage bonus?
marsh rivet
50%
tropic arrow
Is it hidden or is it lost in translation
rapid forum
it's there
marsh rivet
It's on the aspect lol
marsh rivet
(also Nyaanyaa said "much". You still need to use Special if your casts lodge in the wrong enemies, or if there's a thicc boy like a Chariot or armored enemies or whatever)
most enemies should just die to your cast combo
tropic arrow
Ah okay thx
Why’s there so few emojis in this server
Isn’t this the official hades server?
high island
No. It's the official Supergiant Games server.
tropic arrow
Ah
high island
There's no official server specifically for Hades. This server is also for Hades but not exclusively.
tropic arrow
Of course not. All of Lady Aphrodite's boons are perfectly perfect in every way....
I want these emoji's
lone kernel
I want these emoji's
hades modding and speedrunning servers with nitro
and the aphro voice actor discord
lone kernel
There's a server for one actor?
@high island all you buddy
marsh rivet
something something crocodiles
lone kernel
but yes, its her community lol
pure karma
Oh boy
high island
This is Lady Aphrodite's discord server. https://discord.gg/aNwD6udwBg
You should subscribe to her Twitch channel, too.
She streams Hades all the time!
high island
Good question. Come to her channel and ask her about it!
marsh rivet
Not really, your voice recorded doesn't sound like your voice when you speak out loud (to your own ear)
marsh rivet
I guess to a professional voice actor/ess they probably learn both voices as their own so maybe
high island
Yes, Lady Aphrodite voiced herself and Dusa.
tropic arrow
That explains why Dusa's always so nervous when she sees Zag
She doesn't want zag to find out who she actually is
hexed smelt
wait. heck. sorry, sorry, i thought we were in a different channel
high island
And to answer your question, she used to avoid her own boons early on because hearing herself made her uncomfortable, and she also already knew her own lines, so she wanted to hear all the other performances.
marsh rivet
Lol I was about to say, what in tarnation
hexed smelt
i'm very tired :')
full nexus
Not really, your voice recorded doesn't sound like your voice when you speak out...
Yeah I felt that when I revoiced Aphrodite
high island
I missed what happened.
marsh rivet
I posted what was ostensibly a spoiler
hexed smelt
legerdamayn's message was Lol, in the epilogue, Darren sings the song Darren is listening to.
my brain saw the word "epilogue" and yeeted it and then like a second later i remembered this isn't the new player channel
tropic arrow
Was it automatically categorized as a spoiler by the bot or what
high island
Ohhh. Yeah, Darren even sings a song praising himself.
rapid forum
hexed smelt
no
high island
This is Sparrow's attempt to make us believe they're not a bot.
hexed smelt
no, but tired moderators sometimes make mistakes ;P
high island
m not convinced.
chrome wharf
there's a VA I know who not only streams games he's in but voices anyone else who doesn't have a voice
high island
Bird bots spying on us, judging us from above.
hexed smelt
i am not a bot, i am a perfectly normal person, and also definitely not a flock of birds working as a group to operate a keyboard. no sir. not me.
high island
That's oddly specific.
fast willow
i am not a bot, i am a perfectly normal person, and also definitely not a flock ...
awfully suspicious
high island
And you called me sir. A bot would have known better. That means by process of elimination, you must be a duck.
marsh rivet
i am not a bot, i am a perfectly normal person, and also definitely not a flock ...
This is exactly what an autonomous flock of birds would say. We need bird captchas
tropic arrow
This is exactly what an autonomous flock of birds *would* say. We need bird cap...
That’d be hard
A cat or dog captcha would be easy to make since they’re basically colourblind
tropic arrow
Ok 🐦
lone kernel
Yeah I felt that when I revoiced Aphrodite
Hello there little godling, remember to believe in the heart of the cards
marsh rivet
"hello there my little poggies"
lone kernel
aspect of carole baskin
"hey all you cool cats and kittens, here comes the tiger sword"
marsh rivet
They're not, just highly resistent
tropic arrow
A full Poseidon build is sooooo powerful at the temple and once I meet dad
It’s all ended
marsh rivet
That's why Wave Pounding exists lol
lone kernel
i think breaking wave still hits bosses
lone kernel
poseidons aid best call in the game
besides aphrodite so nyaa doesnt feed me to crocodiles a fifth time
marsh rivet
They have to be full eventually
lone kernel
also on common with one pom it hits for 420
tropic arrow
That's why Wave Pounding exists lol
Still sad they can’t be wallslammed
lone kernel
my first 32 clear was rip current smoldering, and my dumb ass put EM4 on
still managed lol
tropic arrow
poseidons aid best call in the game
^
marsh rivet
You can still yeet dad with Chiron Tempest Flourish + Second Wave I think lmao
pure karma
Nope, can't 40 heat with poseidon aspect
fast willow
what does rip current do
pure karma
sucks enemies instead of knocking them back
fast willow
ig it would be useful on meelee aspects
pure karma
works only with poseidon'scall
fast willow
but you dont want to take poseidon on those in the first place right
pure karma
not all his boons
brisk trail
GUYS! What is "Fated authority" mirror upgrade. Its description is "Each rank gives you 1 die, used to randomly alter the reward for the next chamber."
But i still dont understand it
brisk trail
What is die?
marsh rivet
singular dice
brisk trail
singular dice
Mmm so its an ability that makes me change room rewards for random?
summer leaf
got enough blood to fully unlock 1 bow aspect to farm more blood on with it, should i go for rama or chiron?
pure karma
You can roll the type of room before you enter it
brisk trail
You can roll the type of room before you enter it
Thanks a lot!
pure karma
It's green counterpart rolls the rewards themselves you get from boons or hammers etc
like the 3 choices you get, you can roll those
mint coral
got enough blood to fully unlock 1 bow aspect to farm more blood on with it, sho...
i say rama just bc is more fun to me, but chiron is comfy
tropic arrow
Question
lone kernel
The other piece of rip current is it extends your call time, which vs dad means each call can hit 3 times rather than 2
As in 50 percent power boost
tropic arrow
How do you use artemis's cast and call?
lone kernel
Which is incredible
tropic arrow
They both feel boring and not special in any way
Don't know what to stack them with
🤔
lone kernel
How do you use artemis's cast and call?
Call I play it like having an extra Meg in boss fights and as a panic button almost purely defensively in rooms. Cast, if I need a duo boon and somewhere to put it, or on zag bow to open up heart rend with aphro attack. But neither is amazing
marsh rivet
It's not terribly intuitive but Artemis' Aid scales off of backstab damage
(if you backstab with it)
lone kernel
Oh yeah if you have Athena dash and attack
Can put the Artemis cast on to enable deadly reversal
Or call
pure karma
Artemis call can deal some ridiculous damage if fully charged
lone kernel
Yep, that
marsh rivet
The reason it's bad is because it has to be fully charged
lone kernel
You likely won’t get much out of it in regular rooms
marsh rivet
Which is... not ideal, and sometimes impossible for some aspects lol
lone kernel
It’s a panic button for the call I frames
lone kernel
Not a death engine you can build around like Zeus or Poseidon calls
lone kernel
Tbf, if you pom it from 110 to 150, that’s an extra 400 damage at full charge before accounting for crits
Dio aid is surprisingly based
marsh rivet
600 damage to multiple targets at lesser call common level 1 ok that's fine
tropic arrow
Tried Hestia aspect for the first time yesterday
Not sure if I used it correctly but it's hella fun
A snipers rifle, basically
marsh rivet
It's hard to use... super wrong I guess lol. Remember you can do Empowered Shot + Reload + Special + Dash to cancel around every other shot
tropic arrow
My controller's analog didn't appreciate me playing
marsh rivet
(the special won't available to use every reload like that).
tropic arrow
It's hard to use... super wrong I guess lol. Remember you can do Empowered Shot...
Oh fun
Didn't know that
I didn't use special at all lul
marsh rivet
Yeah it's very fluid, it skips most (not all) of its animation time
mint coral
My controller's analog didn't appreciate me playing
Pls remap reload asap
R stick is a crime
marsh rivet
People grossly underuse special on Hestia
tropic arrow
People grossly underuse special on Hestia
You just called me gross
marsh rivet
(to be fair it's an easy temptation to just hur dur snipe from 10 miles away)
tropic arrow
I tried all Poseidon build and it was insanely fun (until I met dad ofc)
marsh rivet
(the bombs detonate if you keep throwing them out there)
tropic arrow
I was just standing in the center of the room and spinning with a laser that slams everything onto wall
tropic arrow
Triple Bomb + Arty/Aphro Flourish
Ah yea but can't reroll hammer upgrades
marsh rivet
I tried all Poseidon build and it was insanely fun (until I met dad ofc)
Super soaker meme runs are super fun yeah
marsh rivet
Gosh it would be so boring if you could get cluster rockets every run lol
tropic arrow
Ideally would want the 5 bombs to land on the same spot
Kinda hard to do with controller
Don't know about m&k
marsh rivet
It has a learning curve for sure
But I play controller and it just takes some practice
It's consistent
tropic arrow
Do you turn off auto aim
marsh rivet
No
tropic arrow
I think maybe turning it off would be helpful
marsh rivet
Yeah but hitting my attack would be nice too LOL
Imagine hitting a numbskull with Hestia without Auto Aim, what am I, a God
lone kernel
cluster is super based
i'll go cluster over rocket on eris
maybe im wrong but i dont care lol
marsh rivet
Nah I agree
lone kernel
pew pews everywhere
tropic arrow
Does it stack with triple?
marsh rivet
nope
fast willow
Imagine hitting a numbskull with Hestia without Auto Aim, what am I, a God
just use kbm
marsh rivet
You're the trackpad savant right?
tropic arrow
Imagine hitting a numbskull with Hestia without Auto Aim, what am I, a God
Don't use attack, simple
pure karma
kbt
fast willow
You're the trackpad savant right?
no definitely not lmao
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not kbm
marsh rivet
Who is that? What a legend
fast willow
im not god
pure karma
I actually tried with trackpad ledger
yesterday
on my laptop
Did like 8 heat
cant do more
fast willow
i can probably barely use trackpad to navigate through the house and nothing more
pure karma
this is worse
marsh rivet
Or it's @obtuse whale
marsh rivet
this guy literally plays on 65 heat LOL. Trackpad what in tarnation that's so awesome.
fast willow
Did like 8 heat
which weapon
pure karma
you ain't a real player until you use a steering wheel to beat 50 heat
pure karma
which weapon
Demeter
marsh rivet
I'm more impressed with trackpad than Pomegranate
tropic arrow
Is full heat ever done?
pure karma
unseeded no
mint coral
routed
marsh rivet
Yeah, 64 by Baj, on Zeus, routed
pure karma
62 heat is the record
fast willow
do 0 heat trackpad zag bow / hestia
marsh rivet
fast willow
oops my bad
pure karma
on rail/bow?
Sorry, I am a Rail/Bow main so I dunno what you mean
pure karma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-eG3yAZ1M
Some guy played Doom with a potato or smth
mint coral
how much heat is the cat
lone kernel
yes
mint coral
understandable
high island
besides aphrodite so nyaa doesnt feed me to crocodiles a fifth time
There's nothing besides Lady Aphrodite's boons. She's in a different league all of her own!
marsh rivet
Different League heh
lone kernel
marsh rivet
how much heat is the cat
It'd be more heat if there was a keyboard. Where is cat supposed to sleep without keyboard
lone kernel
The prince triumphantly walks alongside the river styx when suddenly, he spots motion in the water. He purged a common different league and now will get what he deserves
bum bum da dummmm
🐊
chrome wharf
How much heat is playing with the screen upside down
fast willow
15
marsh rivet
lol we weren't trying to convince you, we just didn't believe you
mint coral
huh, just realized i never got the dialogue of ares-aphro when getting their duo
meager ridge
huh, just realized i never got the dialogue of ares-aphro when getting their duo
this game has a lot of dialogue
mint coral
hah, curse of longing is neat when doom isnt my main dmg source
craggy pumice
Will rush delivery apply to greater haste even if I’m not moving?
twin thistle
Will rush delivery apply to greater haste even if I’m not moving?
dont see why it wouldnt. like a lot of attacks happens to stop you from moving like bow attacks and rush delivery applies to them
mint coral
what rarity is RD?
twin thistle
Heroic greater haste + rush delivery is amazing
try it with epic hypersprint lol
meager ridge
what rarity is RD?
reez duts lmao
@twin thistle i think i'll have one more go at hades
because, honestly, the game is sometimes fun
twin thistle
'only one'
mint coral
got aphro legendary in tartarus, nice
fast willow
is point blank shot bad on other bows?
i usually only play rama and its super good on that
twin thistle
is point blank shot bad on other bows?
good for zag bow. chiron and hera dont care
meager ridge
i play zagreus
meager ridge
seriously
i find a legendary poseidon boon in charon's shop
and it just increases fish spawn chance
lone kernel
i find a legendary poseidon boon in charon's shop
Are you open to suggestions on how to get more out of the game
meager ridge
go ahead
sour elk
i'll have one more go at hades
Good on you, it is worth the suffering, especially if you haven’t seen much of the story play out
sour elk
The epilogue is worth it
lone kernel
go ahead
i'd recommend limiting yourself to one update to the chat per run - reason being is it'll throw off your rhythm, possibly making it harder because you're breaking focus. also gotta try some stuff out - remember that next run you start all over again, so that poseidon legendary it's a meme and kind of inconsequential long term. i'd suggest using chat while in-game for stuff like, which of these hammers should i take etc, but for best results, one screen with the game only
if you got annoyed with the boon you got, then came here to tell us you were annoyed, thats a full minute you're spending annoyed
which doesn't help you win since you wont play as loose
meager ridge
alright sure
lone kernel
game's supposed to be fun
doesnt feel like you are having fun
sometimes you'll three stock hades
and sometimes you'll die to meg
thats just the nature of the game
sour elk
if you got annoyed with the boon you got, then came here to tell us you were ann...
I’ll go as far as to say ride with the terrible boons because if you make the clear with troll boons, that is the filet mignon of victory boasting
lone kernel
i'd go twin
meager ridge
i have point blank shot btw
lone kernel
but both are great
meager ridge
zag bow also
sour elk
Twin Shot on Zag bow is my pref
lone kernel
I’ll go as far as to say ride with the terrible boons because if you make the cl...
32 heat rama meme beam
lone kernel
neither option is bad
the prophecies literally exist to incentivize players to try everything
meager ridge
ok now i have a double barrel shotgun
lone kernel
go goose blast some zombies
twin thistle
dc2 on zag bow is an interesting decision
sour elk
Flurry Shot + Twin Shot + Artemis attack on Zag bow is one of my favs
lone kernel
it makes 2x damage control my female dog
that's def part of your problem - damage control is way harder than you think it is
unless you're rail or fists
now you pop both with one shot, but you cant one shot dudes
twin thistle
or triple shot. just melts everything lol
meager ridge
now you pop both with one shot, but you cant one shot dudes
true
lone kernel
theres a high heat progression doc floating around somewhere
aight i gotta get off discord and work good luck buddy
sour elk
Pray for your buddy Pattie to show up in Elysium
meager ridge
i already used him
sour elk
F
mint coral
epic swift flourish on exploding launcher is fun
pure karma
Asphodel is such a pain with HS
pure karma
i lost a death defiance
I lose a defiance every room
fast willow
I lose a defiance every room
high heat SD
lone kernel
ha
yeah, i have a lot of "client meetings" that are with uh
my dad
and my aunt
and skelly
pure karma
rofl
meager ridge
just won another escape attempt
lone kernel
based
pure karma
Kinda bummed none of the Bow aspects are Artemis
Like what the hell
Well, I guess Zag bow is basically Artemis
With the crit chance
stark ridge
I am now going to try to finally beat hades. I just got my mouse back after 3 months. I've got a good feeling about this.
pure karma
I am now going to try to finally beat hades. I just got my mouse back after 3 mo...
Good Luck
stark ridge
Thanks
pure karma
should i bother with the epilogue
I mean, do you enjoy the game? If not, then why bother.
meager ridge
kinda
pure karma
Then play with a goal
Maybe that goal is to just do runs
Going for the epilogue is cool because you will see the full story
then after that you can say you "finished" the game and stop playing if you don't want to push higher.
twin thistle
if you dont care about dialogue theres 0 point and youll probably complain more
olive meteor
Any suggestions on the achievement to get to 30% with Thanatos' keepsake?
twin thistle
Any suggestions on the achievement to get to 30% with Thanatos' keepsake?
well ranged aspect. hestia rail should be pretty easy
oneshots most things for enough regions to get it
also uh make sure you max lvl the keepsake if you havent and dont get hit
pure karma
@high island If I wanna play Beowulf with Trippy Shot, do I take the multiple casts or the regen cast?
twin thistle
stygian otherwise theres no point
pure karma
Stygian is the regen one right?
twin thistle
ye
pure karma
alright
twin thistle
trippy shot with infernal sucks with how long it lingers
you could just do 3+ charges with a reg cast in that amount of time
pure karma
I assume the same is true for other lingering casts?
Like Ares?
Or would that be bad with Beo
twin thistle
well ares is a bit faster but ares kinda just sucks to begin with on beo lol
pure karma
What about demeter?
meager ridge
WHAT
marsh rivet
WHAT
meager ridge
I JUST LOST EVERY SINGLE DEATH DEFIANCE TO CHARON
meager ridge
AND HE KILLED ME
twin thistle
lol
pure karma
Charon is a super boss
twin thistle
did ya take a tartarus charon lol
pure karma
did ya take a tartarus charon lol
All my charon kills are on Tartarus lol
marsh rivet
Maybe don't do that next time lol.
modern garnet
You can only learn by failing
meager ridge
Maybe don't do that next time lol.
thanks, captain hindsight
twin thistle
charon is the same strength no matter whether you fight him in elysium or tartarus
but his power is scaled more for elysium
marsh rivet
This game is all about captain hindsight. Hey I did a dumb thing and died. Good to know for the future
meager ridge
ffs
meager ridge
but his power is scaled more for elysium
10/10 game design
twin thistle
so generally id recommend mirage shot or aphro for 3 casts and trippy for stygian
twin thistle
10/10 game design
its risk reward?
marsh rivet
lol idk about ya'll but I have never quit a game I put as a 5.5/10 800 times and come back each time.
twin thistle
charon in tart is harder but more beneficial
since that gold helps more early on and that discount is gunna affect more regions
still charon is more of a win more mechanic but like hes a secret boss
marsh rivet
beneficial is kinda arguable. Getting a miniboss boon early could be huge, open up duos etc.
But yeah on average he's better earlier
twin thistle
be nice if we just had more than one room 'option' after fighting him tho
twin thistle
or acorn worked on him lol
marsh rivet
Timer stop is like 95% of it for me
But I'm biased from heat lol. Him just straight up killing you kinda big deal too
pure karma
With CF2 I feel like Charon's card is pointless
meager ridge
i'll try again with exagryph
marsh rivet
Idk with CF0 I never bother taking Obol rooms lol. With CF2 they feel dope
pure karma
i'll try again with exagryph
Want some advice from a player who was in your place recently?
meager ridge
sure
pure karma
Stick to one weapon
marsh rivet
yes
pure karma
Find what you like the most, and stick with it
high island
<@!311477984886521856> If I wanna play Beowulf with Trippy Shot, do I take the m...
Stygian Soul.
pure karma
which weapon is the best
Not sword
meager ridge
k
marsh rivet
Axe is pretty decent
pure karma
Axe is broken
Not good for new players because it gives you a false sense of the game
meager ridge
what
marsh rivet
Idk about broken, they nerfed it in 1.37
meager ridge
there's no axe in the game
pure karma
Idk about broken, they nerfed it in 1.37
THat wasn't a nerf let';s be real
pure karma
there's no axe in the game
I have 200 hours I think I know if there is an axe ok
twin thistle
meh
meager ridge
I have 200 hours I think I know if there is an axe ok
what axe
pure karma
The axe
meager ridge
tell me the damn name of it at least
meager ridge
ok
pure karma
Did I take it too far?
marsh rivet
THat wasn't a nerf let';s be real
tf 20% less cleave dmg isn't a nerf?
marsh rivet
64 heat labrys when
twin thistle
fated list profit
marsh rivet
I can't remember, does Atrophic heal you when your max hp goes back up?
sour elk
Gosh, i miss the enemy fling mechanic from the Aspect of Maui. The Net sure isn’t what it used to be
chrome wharf
I can't remember, does Atrophic heal you when your max hp goes back up?
I think so
chrome wharf
https://imgur.com/a/0yo1Inv
CF copium or Dark Regen copium
twin thistle
wuts with the pom symbols
pure karma
mod
twin thistle
also what heat is this anyways 
pure karma
40
pure karma
olive meteor
well ranged aspect. hestia rail should be pretty easy
I'll give it a go thanks
I'm planning to combine that with tidal dash to make it slightly simpler
high island
Always Heartbreak Flourish.
Screw Deadly Flourish.
There ain't nothing about AP or RI that makes Deadly Flourish better.
Worse Chaos chances?
marsh rivet
Hunter's Mark is also just utterly ridiculous on Charged Skewer
marsh rivet
One hit and I am at like half hp or so
Silly, 0 hits and you're at half HP
vagrant grove
high island
I mean it just about pulls even but doesn't apply Weak.
marsh rivet
Oh, I meant Aphro specifically for Smoldering Air but yeah the Weak is nice too
I don't really like planning on getting hit on GY lol. Doesn't really work out too well, Weak or otherwise
oak gull
Trippy Flare is good. As it is, it is ballistic and has a time lag, so you can time it when you are at a comfortable distance and then land on them right as it lands.
high island
It's less planning and more acknowledging that it's gonna happen lol.
high island
She also has Life Affirmation.
oak gull
If you get Ice Wine with Trippy Flare, it is amazing.
marsh rivet
Does it make Trippy Flare have the obnoxious delay before it goes off?
Or is that just Shot
high island
I like Scintillating Feast way more than Ice Wine. Never been a huge fan of Ice Wine even when it was the big thing in Nighty Night for awhile.
oak gull
And with even a common Flurry Cast, you'll have a hard time not blowing all of your crystals at once.
high island
Ice Wine hits delayed with Trippy Flare. It makes Trippy Shot hit sooner but not Trippy Flare.
summer leaf
what are those "modded game" i see on ppl screens in top right corner
oak gull
Oh, derp.
high island
Usually the speedrun mod pack.
oak gull
Shot and Flare confusion.
high island
Yup.
marsh rivet
I wish the icons they used for the modpack weren't so... present
It's kind of distracting honestly lol
high island
They're only on the victory screen.
marsh rivet
twin thistle
mine be sticking around during all the time
uh also
what does "boon selector preview" do
marsh rivet
not sure. I have the vorime one on but my game just crashes if I have ellemenop's boon selector active as well so I removed it
lone kernel
I love ice wine when it’s not beowulf
Snap finger, explosion
It just feels strong lol
And yeah im def team aphro for GY Just for that life affirmation lol
marsh rivet
Killing Freeze so op
chrome wharf
And yeah im def team aphro for GY Just for that life affirmation lol
Yeah Artemis is better on faster weapons so there are more hits to average the crit out
marsh rivet
For GY specifically it's just because of Hunter's Mark. It actually pays off then to have one big chungus attack
pure karma
Man Spread Fire sucks so much
twin thistle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898288787602440202/unknown.png when you suddenly regret missing that pot
also
i like how i completely didnt notice I had dds
chrome wharf
That's helth right there
twin thistle
instead of sd
whole comet
lol is that lvl 1 guan yu?
twin thistle
was wondering why I suddenly died without reviving one second from killing tis 
mint coral
is that guan yu
twin thistle
is that guan yu <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
lvl 1 guan yu*
pure karma
is that guan yu <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
What else. What else can create such a sad screenshot
twin thistle
actually had a good tart
pure karma
Ananas, I am playing GUan Yu too
twin thistle
until i had no sd
mint coral
Hypnos?
twin thistle
~~~dont get hit~~
^
twin thistle
wdym hypnos
signal aspen
~~~dont get hit~~
The only tip you need
pure karma
Hypnos says "have you tried not getting hit?
twin thistle
well I'd avoid bp2 ig
elysium with no health is fun
and maybe harder than boss fights
pure karma
She is probably Stronger than the Titans
sour elk
That would be a fun special boss with a bullet hell arena and multiple phases
whole comet
she said b4 Hades came, she ruled the underworld,
sour elk
Ik the devs said post-launch expansions are unlikely, but a deeper descent into the underworld would be cool
whole comet
tbh, some sort of short stories would be nice
sour elk
Zagreus discovering he has a half-sister, Melinoë, and fighting through her world of nightmares could be a cool concept
meager ridge
you think anyone has beaten hades on their first attempt?
whole comet
probably not realisticly, no lol
meager ridge
k
whole comet
i imagine everyone who did fresh file 1st clear already practiced a lot b4hand
mint coral
thats a lot of aphro
gray apex
I would ping Nyaanyaa but I sold an Aphro boon so that's not too good
pure karma
I would ping Nyaanyaa but I sold an Aphro boon so that's not too good <:bouldy:5...
@high island
gray apex
whole comet
AP1: You're welcome 😄
twin thistle
hey stairs has a chaos item
whole comet
btw, i wanna ask
twin thistle
oh wait i have 20 max hp
whole comet
why do people want acorn on 1st area?
twin thistle
why do people want acorn on 1st area?
look at my health dude
sour elk
Now I want a Descent into the Realm of Chaos expansion where Zag wants to find Grandpa Cronus’ remains grave and dredges up all kinds of family drama
whole comet
mike as well
gray apex
look at my health dude
What aspect is this
twin thistle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898288787602440202/unk...
here
gray apex
mike as well
where
twin thistle
nice 17 max hp
whole comet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/898294837164523550/Had...
this one
mint coral
thats the area to elysium
gray apex
This is entering Elysium
twin thistle
chamber 25 moment
whole comet
oh, right
got confused oops my bad
kinda interested with acorn now since i found the trick
whole comet
nice 17 max hp <:dusa:522248771409543188> <:dusa:522248771409543188> <:dusa:5222...
at this point, even skull aura would KO u O_O
mint coral
epic rd tho
lone kernel
AP would feel so much less bad if it just gave two options without the third crossed out
gray apex
Don't look
whole comet
eh, it's funny for viewers
spare tiger
Ik the devs said post-launch expansions are unlikely, but a deeper descent into ...
i hope they branch off into other parts of Greek Mythology personally
im always down for the labyrinth of Minos but imagine if we got a Trojan War themed DLC
whole comet
i suppose Hades 2 could be a thing
high island
I would ping Nyaanyaa but I sold an Aphro boon so that's not too good <:bouldy:5...
You were forced to purge one because of Underworld Customs?
gray apex
Yes
spare tiger
Underworld Customs is only one notch right?
whole comet
should've skipped UC 😄
high island
I see.
whole comet
aphro would still be mad!
high island
Lady Aphrodite wouldn't be hurt, don't worry.
gray apex
Well there is Hermes and Chaos so technically it's not an only Aphro run
whole comet
oh she won't be hurt, just furious lol
spare tiger
can you turn up Underworld Customs past 1 or is it just Enabled/Disabled?
cant remember and too lazy to swap off of Sword
whole comet
it's the latter
spare tiger
ahh
mint coral
"sell 2 or more boons to pass to next region" that just sounds painful in paper lol
whole comet
might as well do shackle run
spare tiger
i thought it was just 1
whole comet
i thought it was just 1
he's saying IF
if 4/5 heat for sell 2 more boons
selling 6 boons per run did sound a bit much
whole comet
might as well go boonless
would love that lol
raw herald
AP3
placid anchor
can companions be used in boss fights?
raw herald
Yes
placid anchor
when I tried it told me it can't summon
placid anchor
I gave him a couple of ambrosias, how do I talk to a companion?
whole comet
u mean vs Hades?
placid anchor
yeah
mint coral
You can use and skelly summons pre permission given by dad
placid anchor
I assume hades is the exception?
whole comet
yeah, some of them were too loyal and scared to fight Hades
probably in your case, yes
placid anchor
ah, all I have is the donkey and the rat
whole comet
at least, for now
placid anchor
haven't seen either in action
whole comet
who knew, maybe the companions would choose u over Hades one day
placid anchor
which is the best companion in your opnions?
gray apex
wait what donkey
whole comet
so, be sure dun miss any chat at home
mint coral
During my times trying to speedrun i recognize asterius cause the loading time on switch, this is pain
placid anchor
wait what donkey
no idea why I went with donkey, I meant the bat
whole comet
the blue one which summons Meg?
mint coral
which is the best companion in your opnions?
Meg in general
Fidy (dusa) helps a lot on em4 or so i heard from nyaanyaa
placid anchor
you know, that thing does look a bit like a donkey's head
whole comet
well, the 62 and 64 clear people use Meg
whole comet
i guess if you watch lots of WInnie the Pooh lol
placid anchor
lol
whole comet
tbh, took me a while to see the donkey
gray apex
That's quite the donkey you got there
whole comet
placid anchor
whole comet
it is the same blue and pink
gray apex
Lol
placid anchor
keep in mind, I JUST unlocked it
whole comet
and you notice the part it got a few... those black lines thing were stitches, right?
you could see that on Meg's companion as well
placid anchor
there you go
olive meteor
Hestia with Tidal Dash is really good
I did it but can't upload pics in here for some reason, wanted to show off my build
Very fun build whoever wanna try this - adamant rail with aspect of hestia + tidal dash + artemis aid
chrome wharf
Yeah nobody can upload pics out of a few channels, just link it like you did
lone kernel
https://prnt.sc/1w5stn0
EGG
twin thistle
gods favor 
mint coral
Flexing on dad with that egg
umbral pewter
Any Hades NFTs in the pipeline? Would be cool. Loving the art.
sour elk
Pls no, don’t turn my beloved into a grotesque purely speculative asset masquerading as art
olive meteor
Flexing on dad with that egg
chrome wharf
that gave me neopets NFT drama flashbacks lmao
lone kernel
The ceo of my company is super into nfts and throws parties at nyc rooftop bars every month or two
The open bar is not worth the nft bros
full otter
is there a guide to see how to get every song?
cause i'm missing one but i want to say i did basically everything in the game honestly
jade zenith
where is it on the menu?
full otter
third to last
jade zenith
do extreme measures 4 then
full otter
oooh yeah that makes sense
i thought i already did it once but i guess i was wrong
thank you a lot
mint coral
Got a dumb start with chiron lmao
Went aphro special (rare) then replaced by deadly flourish then before the boss aphro replaced it again
Free heroic boon
full otter
lol i forgot to search for mirage shot till elysium
managed to kill em4 with about 100 health lost anyway, god i love beowulf
lone kernel
managed to kill em4 with about 100 health lost anyway, god i love beowulf
Beowulf is the one aspect where em4 feels less scary than other pacts
full otter
i literally charged him all the times
it's so defensive while being able to put up incredible damage
now i can start to use my diamonds for more blood
and to think once i hated shield
chrome wharf
Zeus and Beo are very different from base shield so it's normal
spare tiger
Slow moving death machine vs. Dragon Charge
marsh rivet
Beowulf is the one aspect where em4 feels less scary than other pacts
Lol, EM4 not that spooky on Chaos, but it makes TD3 megaspook
brisk trail
Who will win
A literal god of death
or
prince
rapid forum
the one with the power of gods and anime
tropic arrow
Is Family Favorite strictly worse than Privileged Status?
Any reason to bring it? It only gives around 10% damage bonus
Sorry it's 20%
Still a lot less than 40%
vapid narwhal
no, it depends
mint coral
Is a 25% bonus, consistent and doesnt requires grabbing extra boons for some builds
vapid narwhal
sometimes your build doesnt utilize two status curses
lone kernel
Is the bolt from sea storm and Zeus legendary affected by double strike high voltage and jolted
And does double strike or Zeus legendary do more damage on Zeus special on Zeus shield lol
mint coral
Is the bolt from sea storm and Zeus legendary affected by double strike high vol...
sea storm gets affected by zeus tier 2
legendary doesnt i think?
mint coral
And does double strike or Zeus legendary do more damage on Zeus special on Zeus ...
#h1-high-heat-strategies message not much it seems
mint coral
Did you make that image just to tell that? Lmao
rapid forum
yes
twin thistle
pro sd strats. eating some lava to go from 8 hp to 12 hp
rapid forum
if only I had SD
slim grail
is this game popular?
because i wanna stream a game on twitch
and they say it is recommended to stream an indie game
to gain more audience
hearty swan
Does anyone have an oxygen tank?
I died because of a dash
When Hades only have a little health left
And my Artemis call is going to him
tropic arrow
My day is immeasurable and my disappointment is ruined
Btw lvl 7 dio call is nice
chrome wharf
👀 which language are you using
tropic arrow
Chinese
tropic arrow
mint coral
https://imgur.com/TzPIPcA
Whatever gold pots you missed has now come back to haunt you
chrome wharf
I wish the English version used the chinese numbers font, it's so much bigger
tropic arrow
Whatever gold pots you missed has now come back to haunt you
Yup
I have +100% gold so I literally needed just 2 more pots
chrome wharf
No more tunnels?
tropic arrow
nah
I've maxed out all aspects tho
Not sure what I need an extra blood for
But it still itches
vapid narwhal
I wish the Chinese loc uses a more appropriate font
full otter
Zeus and Beo are very different from base shield so it's normal
idk never really tried a serious run with zeus, i really don't like it
whole comet
man, Hades's so much fun when u put on all heat that makes enemies harder
chrome wharf
I wish the Chinese loc uses a more appropriate font
What do you have in mind
vapid narwhal
hm lemme check my design font library
chrome wharf
Sometimes I swap languages in the name of "refreshing the RNG", it never quite works
tropic arrow
Why do you guys care about the Chinese font
Do you use it for speed run or something
chrome wharf
No it's not hollow knight lol
tropic arrow
vapid narwhal
some of us speak the language
chrome wharf
Hollow knight speedrun uses Chinese if that wasn't clear
chrome wharf
I think the font is ok, just need to be bigger some places for Switch handheld readability
vapid narwhal
chrome wharf
it just means we can talk about it here
vapid narwhal
it's already too big in many cases
iirc a few dialogue boxes/prophecies still have the issue of text going out of bounds
it could use a smaller line break in general
and slightly smaller gap between characters
chrome wharf
That feels more like a spacing issue
vapid narwhal
a few longer dialogues have had similar issues and I'm not sure if everyone is fixed
spacing and line break could both be slightly smaller and probably will look fine on Switch still
chrome wharf
Most of the stuff I found got fixed ithink
vapid narwhal
chrome wharf
riparoni
whole comet
lol it's super giants
chrome wharf
XD