#h1-discussion

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pure karma
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100%

meager ridge
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good

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how hard is it to unlock them

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and which is the best one

full otter
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it's easy but it takes time

alpine sierra
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it's honestly preference which is best

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but yeah it comes down to forging bonds

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which isn't challenging but it'll take a lotta runs

meager ridge
alpine sierra
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right well one does a fat 3500 damage in a big area after a short delay

full otter
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if you are doing a run to grind some resources bouldy is the best, if you're doing common runs i'd honestly say everything except dusa

alpine sierra
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how does that sound

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if it sounds good, drown Thanatos in Nectar

meager ridge
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great

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ah, thanatos

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i haven't given him nectar

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although i have quite a lot of nectar in charon because i thought that was how you got the loyalty card

alpine sierra
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you should be handing that good stuff out to everybody

pure karma
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Fidi is cool. It has carried multiple times.

alpine sierra
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Thanatos will always appear in the house after you encounter him in a run, so. give him Nectar there

pure karma
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He might not appear

alpine sierra
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oh

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Well it's pretty likely

pure karma
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Yes

meager ridge
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you can't be serious

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my controller disconnected during a miniboss

pure karma
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Acquiring his companion is annoying

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because it's RNG

meager ridge
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and i lose 48 health

alpine sierra
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L

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man I'm devoted to the fists but Coronacht is just so good

pure karma
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Hera and Rama are amazing

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So fun

alpine sierra
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16 bonds forged now

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we getting there

upbeat lodge
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so, what do i have to learn like its 0 heat?

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i need like, 4 more blood

high island
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EM2 FO2 TD3 was the pact.

upbeat lodge
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k

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im doing a 12 run rn

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this feels.... chill?

pure karma
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I have 300+ games on steam and I don't want to play a single one of them

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How do people build Chaos Shield after the nerfs?

high island
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Same as before tbh.

pure karma
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Which is? Zeus on special?

high island
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I figured if you ask "after the nerfs", you'd know how to build it before nerfs. dusa

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Thunder Flourish, Drunken Flourish. One of the two.

pure karma
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Well. I didn't play the game back then

high island
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Thunder Flourish with Static Discharge is generally stronger.

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ME also works.

upbeat lodge
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guys, guys. 1. death barge into ares attack. 2. fountain room gives me ME. 3. another room immediately after gave me athena dash

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all three pieces i needed in a row

high island
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Still need Impending Doom and Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery or Greatest Reflex. dusa

pure karma
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I am probably playing it really wrong, but I find this weapon really underwhelming

upbeat lodge
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What weapon

pure karma
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Chaos Shield

ebon thistle
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Wait isn't Zeus \ Dionys special is better on Zeus shield?

high island
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I don't think I play it wrong and I find it very underwhelming lol.

pure karma
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So I shouldn't feel so bad

high island
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No reason to feel bad in general.

pure karma
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I lied before. I do feel bad for cheating to not grind on my hell mode file

lone kernel
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Chaos shield isn’t that good

high island
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I think it's pretty good. It's just not as good as the other shields.

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But it's still Aegis.

meager ridge
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flurry shot is pretty good

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i'm using the bow

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maybe this game isn't so tedious after all

lone kernel
upbeat lodge
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12 heat is suddenly relaxing ??

high island
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Practice pays off. dusa

meager ridge
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how i have triple shot

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flurry shot + triple shot = spread gun from contra

ebon thistle
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By the way

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on topic of "stuff that should never work"

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Poseidon Special Chiron

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it was... something else alright dusa

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worst part is that im not sure i hate it

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but i definetely should

crude surge
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sea storm chiron good

upbeat lodge
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Im gonna try that right now

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4 seconds off of a new pb

crude surge
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it has speedrunning chiron wr

upbeat lodge
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Just maxed out Hestia

pure karma
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All my sea storm or just poseidon chiron runs have been successes

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What is the best special boon for Guan Yu

high island
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Heartbreak Flourish.

signal aspen
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artemis for big number

meager ridge
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ok i really love triple shot + flurry shot

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it's great

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especially if you have a boon that increases attack

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anyways i have to afk to wash up

crude surge
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Arty for big number, Aphro for safety, Athena for ME

high island
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Deadly Flourish for low numbers 80% of the time. dusa

ebon thistle
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Gotta love how Guan Yu range is like 5 times larger than it shows

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(it still hits Skelly with that throw)

meager ridge
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i'm pretty sure i can win this fight now

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full health and all death defiances

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and great attack too

ebon thistle
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you can do it

meager ridge
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and i won

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it's a shame i probably won't have this kind of luck again

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i only have to escape 3 more times

meager ridge
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i'l gonna try the rail now

full otter
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didn't know titan blood is not affected by convenience fee

forest void
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i still have no idea whats going on

meager ridge
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i just lost a death defiance

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oomph

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ffs

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and another one

forest void
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yay than

vagrant grove
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ae

zealous tapir
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The boon guarantee of keepsakes only works once per run per keepsake right?

forest void
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theseus is one unsufferable bastard

vagrant grove
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I like Theseus, he makes me want to not die in Elysium

twin thistle
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the rarity increase stays though

zealous tapir
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yep

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I just want blown kiss

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but I get crush shot, then nothing

forest void
vagrant grove
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just murder him before he can spam spear dusa

forest void
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im busy focusing on asterius

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he is a strong and spooky boi who runs me down and thats why i appreciate him

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oop

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anyways time for final boss

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im s u r e this will be super easy

meager ridge
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killed hades again

frozen willow
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hello hello

meager ridge
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only 1 more hades kill and 2 more escapes

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and that's hades finished

frozen willow
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ifyou take out thesus then dodging arterius is easy

gray apex
frozen willow
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is it weird to have shield as my best and favorite weapon

gray apex
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Nope

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It's great

frozen willow
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it is

meager ridge
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if i somehow win 2 more times in a row, i can complete this game tonight

gray apex
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Shield is my best in terms of heat

frozen willow
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im still bothered

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sword is my farther

forest void
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yay i won

frozen willow
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farthest

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cause i got bored

forest void
frozen willow
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i got so bored I made my special into a dash wit sturdy then made sturdy dashing

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throw like 10 billion zeus buffs with other funny stuff and its a insta kill special build

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5 hits of it almost half healthed hades

forest void
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ugh, it took me a whole 41 minutes to clear

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i must go fast

frozen willow
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this game makes adapting second nature

ebon thistle
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But the way, can someone clarify a certain thing for me?

zealous tapir
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Got blown kiss at last

frozen willow
ebon thistle
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Does Trial of Gods affect boon rarity in any way?

frozen willow
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uhm

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idk sorry

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I dont even know what Trial of Gods is

ebon thistle
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Rooms with 2 boons but the one you dont pick gets angry

forest void
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probably not

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it only picks boons from gods you already had after all, so

frozen willow
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it doesnt last time i checked

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I have been able to get trash boons from both gods before

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so yeah

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at the same time I got lucky and got 2 duo's from it too

ebon thistle
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Someone mentioned that those rooms has decreased rarity, so i started paying attention and i swear it seems like that

frozen willow
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its rng based like the rest of the game

gray apex
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Trials cannot give duos

frozen willow
ebon thistle
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Well naturally but chances still can go up and down

frozen willow
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then im stupid

twin thistle
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yeah lack of duos should be the only diff

frozen willow
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i cant even remember when i got my duos

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i havent used a trials in a while

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usually i go for hammers cause they give the funny buffs

ebon thistle
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i can't recall a single time i was ever present with a choice of trial vs hammer

frozen willow
ebon thistle
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tartarus?

frozen willow
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i picked hammer cause i wanted to have fun

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nah

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the third region

ebon thistle
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elisium

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weird

frozen willow
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yeah

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when i was using my funny sword build

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with infinite dashes

ebon thistle
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elisium starts with something like Pom Vs Hammer 95% of the time for me

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or money vs hammer

frozen willow
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yeah

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i usually get pom, darkness and key

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for the first 3 chambers

ebon thistle
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but why

frozen willow
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then only good stuff like hammer, trials, zeus/posiden and artemis

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i love those 3 the most

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such strong buffs

forest void
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oop

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i hecking love hammer

frozen willow
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hammer should let me give it gifts

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i want to have a hammer only run

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lmao its prolly possible

forest void
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same

frozen willow
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am i the only one who loves the barge of death

gray apex
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Yes

forest void
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decided to use spear instead of rail

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and i love it too

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far better than dealing with the megagorgon

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basically a free win if you have enough CC or AOE

frozen willow
mint coral
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i hate the barge ron

frozen willow
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its one of my easiest rooms

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then again

last veldt
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Predictable

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At least

frozen willow
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the amount I have died to it first before learning how to beat it

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is uhm

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more than 10

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i have a fun build idea im trying

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max hp with all the vengence boons

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i have ares and zeus already

last veldt
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It's viable if you get some damage reduction in it too.

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AFK Dad is a thing people have done.

frozen willow
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abusing sturdy too

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and i died by killing myself from dashing under hydra .-.

oak gull
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Alright. I have fists of demeter and I can choose between the charged shot special and the charged strike special hammers.

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Which one would you recommend?

marsh rivet
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The... what? Which ones, by name?

frozen willow
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ITS SO FUNNY

oak gull
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kinetic launcher and flying cutter

marsh rivet
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Kinetic Launcher by a lot

frozen willow
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.-.

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flying cutter is funnier

oak gull
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Because of the shot?

marsh rivet
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I mean throwing hadoukens kinda dece

frozen willow
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maybe

marsh rivet
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Flying Cutter works awkwardly with Demeter's empowered special

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(in practice, it just doesn't at all)

frozen willow
marsh rivet
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You throw 5 fireballs on Kinetic Launcher, it's like one of my favorite hammers from just fun perspective

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It's also just good. Not as good as Explosive Upper but still great

frozen willow
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my favorite hammers is now dashing with sturdy on specials with stygius

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only cause its the reason i accidentally almost beat hades first attempt

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i was just having fun with 8 dashes

marsh rivet
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Dash Nova still kinda awkward for me to use but full disclosure I barely play sword. Free dash is still a free dash

frozen willow
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put it with hyper sprint and life thresholds and your invincible

marsh rivet
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Sturdy doesn't stack

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It's unique

frozen willow
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also bronze skin and maybe a tidal or divine dash

mint coral
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just learned mini bosses can spawn on erebus dusa

frozen willow
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its like having a perma sturdy

marsh rivet
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But if you're on sword with Hyper Sprint you should always be dashing lol. So it should have a pretty much permanent uptime anyway

frozen willow
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im not always dashing ;-;

marsh rivet
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It doesn't make Dash Nova worse, but if you already have Hyper Sprint it just won't be relevant most of the time

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Dash Strike is like, one of sword's only redeeming qualities

frozen willow
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its bad otherwise

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same goes for bow

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i choose it to have fun

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not to get far

marsh rivet
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Hot take on bow lol

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Bow kinda nice in this game

frozen willow
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spear, gun and fists are all pretty good but

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SHIELD IS THE BEST

frozen willow
marsh rivet
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Oh sure I'm not going to argue your relative enjoyment of an aspect haha, but I was arguing the "it's bad otherwise" part

frozen willow
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bow is bad because its boring

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thats how I rate whats good and bag

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bad

brisk trail
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if i was in hades id beat hades with no boons

frozen willow
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you can sell all of your boons

brisk trail
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not for me mate

marsh rivet
frozen willow
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just get good

brisk trail
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i meant when i die bruh

frozen willow
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hm

frozen willow
lone kernel
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he thinks that when he dies irl he will then fight the lord of the dead and win

frozen willow
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better question is what does he do if he gets trapped in chaos

marsh rivet
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vibe

frozen willow
forest void
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bosses feels like its solely meant to be played with rail, given thesaurus here spams his spear sweep if you go into melee range, then only spams spear throw at long range

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ones a lot easier to beat than the other eh

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ig ill try out the shield since people keep talkinga bout it

frozen willow
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if u use shield

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abuse 2 things

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defending and spamming special

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:3 saves lives

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its how i beat hydra without taking dmg

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only once tho ;-;

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i'd say aphro, zeus and dionysus are the best boons for shield

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thats my opinoin th

forest void
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i love trippy shot

frozen willow
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mood

forest void
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shield seems to struggle with armored foes

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tbh posideon seems like an obvious guy for shield since additional knockback means the shield would probably toss enemies all over the place

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however i dont know much

twin thistle
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well if you want decent damage on base shield, id just build for merciful end

frozen willow
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posiden with shield is amazing

whole comet
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lol Hermes keepsake still has a timer for Hades fight O_O

frozen willow
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i just like the other ones a bit better from my experience

frozen willow
forest void
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that being said i have no idea how to build shield

frozen willow
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find what fits you

twin thistle
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its more of funny since getting that plume bonus does nothing if its from the final boss

forest void
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so far, my belief seems accurate

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just watched a witch get tossed across the entire map by a small bullrush

twin thistle
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main problem is boss damage though

frozen willow
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cause you just melt them

whole comet
frozen willow
forest void
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ffs

gray apex
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tempting

forest void
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i was trying to grab a boon and instead thanatos ran in front of it

frozen willow
forest void
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so i didnt get to spam gift on him

frozen willow
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GET REKT

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thanatos says no to ur gift

twin thistle
frozen willow
twin thistle
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he kinda has immune phases

frozen willow
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hazardous bomb on gun seems like a nice one to use

twin thistle
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but beowulf can do it

gray apex
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Time for Sub10 Zag bow

frozen willow
twin thistle
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hazard bomb will do like 1-2k maybe. not enough

forest void
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i got exclusive access, god bless

marsh rivet
mint coral
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hazard bomb eris lets go bouldy

twin thistle
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or just hera or beowulf

frozen willow
frozen willow
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it killed me

frozen willow
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and from sheer luck get enough special boosting

twin thistle
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like the base damage is 300-400 i forget

frozen willow
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so realisitically

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yeah i think ur right

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i could plausibly do way over 10k

twin thistle
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can get a big crit with artemis ig

frozen willow
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it would just have to be the perfect run

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hm

twin thistle
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chaos is additive with your boons btw

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so even if you get like 500% special damage, thats like 2k or whatever

mint coral
forest void
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this is whyi dont do chaos

twin thistle
frozen willow
frozen willow
forest void
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idk how to feel about shield tbh

frozen willow
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just

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uhm

forest void
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the block power is definitely something

frozen willow
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in a new way

marsh rivet
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I don't personally care but mods don't like the dodging of the naughty word filter in these here parts

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Proxy Bot must have blood sacrifice.

mint coral
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quick spin kind of a fun hammer

frozen willow
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nothnig says goth ihop than orpheus's sentence

forest void
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ooo

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hermes boosts shield charge up speed if you take the attack speed

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pretty convenient for going f a s t

frozen willow
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ok first of all why is meg saqying i cant beat her without the mirror

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when I made it to thesus on my first run

forest void
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beat her with the mirror

marsh rivet
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I wonder if breaching 6 digits is possible with Triple Point Blank Explosive Rama

forest void
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as in

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unhinge the mirror

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drag it to tartarus

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and fight her with it

frozen willow
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can we beg the devs to add mirror as a weapon

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reflect dmg and smash meg's head in

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bonk the hydra witha mirror

gray apex
marsh rivet
frozen willow
gray apex
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or nvm its already 3 hammers

twin thistle
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just have beo with mirage shot, hyperdelivery, fully loaded and a million chaos boons, then heart rend arty cast and magically hit every crit. ez

gray apex
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im dumb

marsh rivet
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Also I guess Rama's damage ceiling on single target is kind of very loosely capped on the number of enemies going to be hit by Triple Shot

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I don't think Heart Rend multiplies your crit multiplier anymore though (iirc it just adds 150% now) so I don't know if it's super likely to work lol

forest void
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why dont we have image perms here lol

meager ridge
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i just killed hades for the 9th time

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only 1 more escape

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however i won't have time for it tonight

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but i can make some progress tonight

void vigil
forest void
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ah lol

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anyways the shield's starting to grow on me

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its not perfect, but knocking bosses around the map is oddly fun, and improved special allows for me to strike the whole map without moving a inch

signal aspen
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Yeah shield is good

forest void
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ye

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ooo, i can make bull rush do 400% to armor

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finally, something I NEED

meager ridge
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i'll finish hades tomorrow

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to think, i've endured all of this repetition and i can finally finish it after one more successful run

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it satisfies me

marsh rivet
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(there's one more epilogue dawg)

meager ridge
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you can't be serious

marsh rivet
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i can be

void vigil
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there is like, a lot of story content in the game

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but if youre looking to roll credits and be done with it since youre skipping all dialogue anyway the epilogue is not for you

meager ridge
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do you need the epilogue to finish the game

void vigil
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what do you define as finishing the game

marsh rivet
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yeah, last epilogue has no credits roll but it is definitely the "canon" ending of the story

void vigil
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credits? end of story? all achievements?

meager ridge
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end of story

void vigil
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well youre skipping all of it

meager ridge
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true

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well, most of it

twin thistle
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why you even care about finishing the story

meager ridge
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i listen to a select few characters

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few

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hades and skelly

marsh rivet
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Hades' dialogue pretty prominently changes after the last epilogue at least.

meager ridge
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so i thought i'd just try and shove it aside by finishing it

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idk

marsh rivet
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There Is No Escape [From This Game]

meager ridge
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it's kinda hard to explain

meager ridge
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pretty much this

marsh rivet
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Lol, I guess could it be possible you're enjoying the ride? :3

meager ridge
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sometimes

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i kinda like it when i win

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but it's infuriating to die

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i have mixed opinions on this game

void vigil
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either way i think if youre skipping so much of the story and dont care for the achievements epilogue isnt worth it since its all story, it takes a lot of runs and grinding to do and somewhat depends on rng along the way

meager ridge
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jesus christ

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uh i think i'll just stick to the credits as the end

marsh rivet
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"a lot of runs" is like 3 or 4 right?

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You just need to see every god once

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Or does it have a prereq before that

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Idr

void vigil
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well, gifting the gods nectar and ambrosia

marsh rivet
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oh right they have to be butt buddies with you already

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yyyeah, maybe skip that ending for your purposes lol.

2000 Hours Later. "This game sucks. What's after The Unseen One?"

meager ridge
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ok ok i am NOT getting the epilogue

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i have like 11 nectar but hell no

marsh rivet
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Lol I'm going to make a bold prediction that you will somehow get Unseen One before I do, and hate every step of it along the way.

halcyon imp
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Epilogue isn't too bad to get imo

modern garnet
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Well it's not too hard if you're enjoying the game

manic bobcat
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^

halcyon imp
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Yeah

manic bobcat
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if

brisk trail
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i could beat theseus irl so easy

manic bobcat
marsh rivet
halcyon imp
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I can see why you wouldn't want to get it is you didn't really love it, I personally got hooked immediately lol

ember flume
void vigil
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i am almost halfway to unseen one! bouldy

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just need to get the... other half.....

marsh rivet
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I could get Fated Authority, or keep getting cosmetic badges

mint coral
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finally got a meme beam run where i actually got glaciar glare

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is a whole new world compared to non glaciar glare dusa

void vigil
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oh my mirror is maxed out, im hoarding darkness until i have enough to get all the badges at once

marsh rivet
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It's not a great look to be like 800 hours into this save file without having finished the Mirror of Night lmao

halcyon imp
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How much does unseen ones cost?

marsh rivet
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330k iirc

ember flume
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How do I get Meageara companion?

halcyon imp
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Geez

void vigil
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because even if i refund the mirror it barely makes a dent in the amount i need for all the ranks total

marsh rivet
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I hope you don't need any Ambrosia for the badges lol because that's all darkness now

void vigil
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you do actually bouldy i think you need 10

marsh rivet
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And you can't convert things (deterministically) to Ambrosia. The offerings from the broker seem pretty unlikely for some reason.

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F

meager ridge
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unseen one?

marsh rivet
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LOL he took the bait ya'll

void vigil
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325,000 Darkness
100 Chthonic Keys
50 Nectar
10 Diamond
10 Ambrosia
10 Titan Blood

meager ridge
marsh rivet
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The last last last "epilogue". It's the last badge from the Resource Collector

mint coral
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i wouldnt call it epilogue

plucky latch
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This dude is just saying words

mint coral
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just a massive resource sink bouldy

void vigil
mint coral
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just noticed that i swapped to shadow presence but didnt actually put darkness on it bouldy

forest void
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ugh

marsh rivet
# meager ridge what

I made a joke up above that with your track record of 1 run--nah I quit. 2nd epilogue, nah no way, okay maybe. 3rd epilogue, no way in hell (predicting this lasts... a day after you get the 2nd).

1 year later you're going to finish Unseen One.

forest void
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hades can be such a pain

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at one point he started his invul phase... and kept attacking

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and kept attacking some more

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he attacked for a solid 10 seconds while still shielded, so i got caught by surprise and lost a death defied

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which was my last so i got dabbed on

meager ridge
plucky latch
zealous tapir
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Recommended or fun gods to try and use with the spear?

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likely going achilles

marsh rivet
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You can really only threaten to quit so many times before you doth protest too much.

forest void
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posideon is probably fun especially if you can get tri-spear from the hammer

zealous tapir
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ight i'll do pos

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Need to level his keepsake anyway

gray apex
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Zeus Aphro Poseidon Athena

forest void
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i never saw the fun in using zeus but thats because he's kinda bland to me

chrome wharf
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Poseidon dash

gray apex
#

Smoldering Air Lightning Phalanx quality gaming

zealous tapir
forest void
#

that requires me to want to use the bow

zealous tapir
#

xd

marsh rivet
forest void
#

overall shield's ok, but the bullrush block shuts off at the most randomest of times and its a lil painful to predict when and where to block

marsh rivet
#

Takes some practice to do it on the fly though.

forest void
#

starting it is a pain as well, especially since if youre already attacking, holding attack to start the rush just continues attacking instead

#

which is what i dont want when hades is shooting me with his sunbeam

marsh rivet
forest void
#

so far, this has not been my experience

zealous tapir
forest void
#

tbh id rather have no invul, and play accordingly, than have unreliable invul and play as if it was reliable

#

so might go back to the ol spear

marsh rivet
#

Shield has a tempo, for sure. Also it's easy to respect enemies in the beginning. The more comfy you get with shield, you learn respecting your enemies is for lesser aspects

forest void
#

i cant afford shield aspects lol

marsh rivet
zealous tapir
#

indeed

twin thistle
#

you pretty much want this but with the merciful end duo

#

bouldy maybe i should just start using god's legacy for ME

lunar orchid
#

omg is there any better combo than the zeus shield with zeus boons

#

ive never murdered everything so fast

#

especially wit the hammer that gives damage on collection

twin thistle
#

zeus^2 is great yeah

lunar orchid
#

its straight murder

bright reef
#

I saw some victory screens that were themed after the Olympians or chaos

lunar orchid
#

i should stream this i just killed the hydra in like 45secs

bright reef
#

How do you do that

lunar orchid
#

you can buy it pope

#

from the contracter

bright reef
#

Oh

mint coral
#

blackout when my only source of hangover is drunken flourish on beo is pain bouldy

lone kernel
lunar orchid
#

ya some like 10000 dark

bright reef
#

Is zeus better than ares for Lucifer attack?

lunar orchid
#

its just cosmetic tho

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ya

#

er

#

idk

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depends how you play

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i dont really mess with ares unless I'

#

m doing ME or blades with achilles

marsh rivet
#

Or I guess that was bad phrasing. It works but doesn't do anything special for Lucifer attack

lone kernel
#

greater inferno or triple bomb on lucifer?

marsh rivet
#

Triple Bomb is super duper good

devout terrace
#

Triple bomb first then flash fire 2nd

marsh rivet
#

It's not terribly intuitive how you would use it, but if you put out more bombs past the first three, the old ones will explode

devout terrace
#

Them triple beam 3rd pretty sure

marsh rivet
#

Lol, yeah. Lucifer's hammers are not... great on average

bright reef
#

Lucifer fun doe

chrome wharf
lone kernel
#

Yeah I basically need flash fire to play the thing

flint pollen
#

How does one use the bow?

#

I cant use it like at all

twin thistle
#

don't use the standing attack, dash before every attack unless youre using flurry fire as it makes the charge time lower

flint pollen
#

OK

#

Any tips on builds?

#

I have like no clue how to approach making a build for a weapon like this

#

I dont even really know what to do with the shield tbh

mint coral
#

aphro attack, zeus call and smoldering air works for base bow

flint pollen
#

Hm

#

Ive never used apho on attack i think xD

mint coral
#

if you have it upgrade artemis attack also works

flint pollen
#

Crush shot is really good but ive never used any other aphro boons voluntarily i think

mint coral
#

aphro has the highest % of all gods

flint pollen
#

Hm

#

I typically play either sword or fists, occasionally rail and spear, so i dont really play high single shot damage weapons

#

xD

twin thistle
#

can also just go merciful end

#

base zag bow without titanblood and 15% crit doesnt do a whole lot of damage tbh

flint pollen
#

Yeah

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I had the same issue with rail before i found how insane zeus attack when pommed is

#

I just couldnt get ANY dps

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fists i could always use dionysus on attack bc its super easy to keep the hangover stacks maxed even with aphro duo boon with those

#

The attack speed is so stupidly high

twin thistle
flint pollen
#

Hm

mint coral
#

2nd rama hammer: explosive/sniper/chain
pain bouldy

vagrant grove
#

pain

mint coral
#

might as well do explosive for the memes

vagrant grove
#

explosive perfect shot rama dusa

mint coral
#

entered erebus and got greeted by speeder fo1 big chariot

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instant onion

twin thistle
#

erebus gate rng bouldy

#

like it when theres just a dire butterfly ball

flint pollen
#

Wtf

#

Actually how do you play the bow lmao

#

I just lost two death defiances to alecto

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It just does like

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ZERO damage

#

And i have lvl 4 rare aphro attack

lone kernel
#

Dash strikes

flint pollen
#

Im trying to do those

#

Alecto attacks too fast for me to get the big shots off

#

I cant charge them before the random red circles strike

#

So i end up dealing like absolutely no damage

twin thistle
#

what level is your zag bow anyways?

flint pollen
#

I dont have any titan blood to put in it atm

#

So 0

#

Which is fairly bad

#

Oops

#

I dont understand why some of the weapons seem to be unusable without aspects tbh

random kestrel
#

bow is basically: back up, power shot

twin thistle
#

might as well just start doom and build for merciful end if its lvl 0

random kestrel
#

its way better with aspects

#

doom on special is pretty good

#

bc it hits a lot of them

flint pollen
#

Hm

random kestrel
#

them monsters

mint coral
#

explosive shot rama is pain

random kestrel
#

chiron lv2 with hangover is good

#

bc it is 5 guaranteed hits making a 5-stack hangover

flint pollen
#

I got an epic zeus dash and am now dealing more damage with that in rooms than the actual bow itself

random kestrel
#

i used to main bow :'(

#

but screw bow ig, gun is the way to go

#

bow is all about camping

#

sort of

mint coral
#

the 2 best hammers want you to stay closer bouldy

random kestrel
#

yeah

#

well my fav bow hammer was +250% dmg but it charges slower

flint pollen
#

Yeah im not saying bow is bad xD

#

Im saying im useless with it

#

xD

random kestrel
#

bow special is kinda useless tho

#

unless chiron

#

which is why i stopped using it

#

not very versatile

mint coral
#

rama also uses special well

random kestrel
#

oh yeah but im not good enough to unlock hidden aspects B')

flint pollen
#

OK bow is like 10000x easier to use if you only move when you absolutely have to it seems

#

Was able to clear the bone hydra by just not moving and concentrating on shooting and hitting as often as i can

#

Still zero dps

mint coral
#

did you get any hammer?

flint pollen
#

Yeah but i probably picked the worst one

#

Chain shot

mint coral
#

what were the other options?

flint pollen
#

I dont remember

#

I got it in tart

#

Man these hammers seem

#

Not great

#

I got a choise between concentrated volley, flurry shot and piercing volley

#

Is any of those good?

#

xD

twin thistle
#

ehhh. you should be constantly dash striking with the bow

#

flurry will help dps a lot

flint pollen
#

OK ill get that one then bc thats my main issue with it atm

#

Im just doing like actually no dps

twin thistle
#

like how long did hydra take?

flint pollen
#

No clue

#

Very long compared to usual

#

I didnt look at the timer

#

Id say my average dps was less than half of what it normally is with fists?

#

I typically play with zeus or dio attack on fists

frozen willow
#

help

#

hammer or eurydice

#

this is a life or death decision ;-;

mint coral
#

eury ig, hammer will appear later

frozen willow
#

but

#

its a hammer and i love those

#

i would ggift hammer if i could

mint coral
#

what weapon/aspect are you playing?

frozen willow
mint coral
#

beo doesnt really need the hammers

signal aspen
#

Go to tree lady

frozen willow
twin thistle
#

its almost always eurydice. refreshing nectar op

frozen willow
mint coral
#

your hammer will appear later, is not gonna dissapear

signal aspen
#

You'll get another hammer

flint pollen
#

Tfw i just randomly picked up zeus dash and when i was forced to pick up another zeus boon i picked up static discharge, now im forced to pick up a third and im getting legendary zeus

#

Ive wanted none of these

frozen willow
#

zeus op

#

enjoy it while it lasts

flint pollen
#

Im trying to learn to play with bow

#

And yes ik

#

I try to get zeus legendary if i play with zeus fists or rail

#

Its super broken

frozen willow
#

zeus is one of my top favs for stacking all of his boons

flint pollen
#

But his dash kinda sucks

frozen willow
#

true

#

but

#

i make up for it with a deadly cast

flint pollen
#

I dont have a cast

frozen willow
#

having 4 casts with zeus plus the rest of his stuff is awesome

mint coral
#

zeus dash is fine

flint pollen
#

I have zeus dash, ares special and aphro attack

frozen willow
flint pollen
#

Zeus dash is meh IMO

#

Poseidon, ares and athena dashes are all IMO by far better

frozen willow
#

tidal dash and drunken dash are my top choices

#

i dont use athena's anymore

#

i found a funnier deflect

signal aspen
#

It's good if you get every zeus boon in the game

frozen willow
#

her cast and special are more fun

flint pollen
#

And if you have someone else on attack im a big fan of aphro dash if you cant get her cast, because of the two status curse bonus damage

#

And its weak

#

So you take less damage and can get her secondary that allows you to deal more

mint coral
#

cant relate, i dont use p. status

signal aspen
#

I like p status

frozen willow
frozen willow
flint pollen
#

The bonus damage you get from it is not insigificant

frozen willow
#

and you can kill good

mint coral
#

i use the alternative

#

more comfy

flint pollen
#

What is even the alternative?

#

I dont remember xD

mint coral
#

+5% dmg by each god you have a boon from

frozen willow
flint pollen
signal aspen
#

Family favorite is more consistent

frozen willow
#

whats everyones favorite god/goddess

#

to recieve a boon from

signal aspen
#

Hermes

mint coral
#

aphro/artemis/zeus

signal aspen
#

Or bouldy

chrome wharf
flint pollen
#

OK yeah i need much much much more practice with bow

frozen willow
#

ok so mine is dionysus or posiden

flint pollen
#

Just died to theseus

stark dock
frozen willow
#

where is dionysus gang?

flint pollen
#

But tbf i did lose my first two death defiances to alecto

mint coral
#

dio is fun

frozen willow
chrome wharf
frozen willow
#

she is rather easy fight tbh

flint pollen
#

Because i absolutely suck with the bow

frozen willow
#

ah

flint pollen
#

I like actually do not know what im doing

chrome wharf
#

alecto is pretty chaotic yeah

frozen willow
#

the fury sisters are alot easier than they look

flint pollen
#

Theyre easy if you know how to play with the weapon you have xd

#

I dont

chrome wharf
#

her roombas can be a handful

mint coral
#

Heart rend with zag bow is fun

frozen willow
#

mostly cause you can fully predict tisphone's attacks, meg is too passive and alecto keeps literally standing still

#

like actually

#

i clap her cause i can get power shots on her so easily

flint pollen
#

I couldnt get any power shots on her

#

Bc i didnt have time to charge them up between her random red circle attacks

frozen willow
frozen willow
stark dock
#

I dont like alecto because of her spinning blade attack thing

#

it always hits me

frozen willow
coarse mica
#

i hate alecto. the past two runs ive done ive used a DD bc of her stupid spinny vortex things

frozen willow
#

i refuse to put up with his dmg output from his rage

stark dock
#

I really dont like ares' boons tbh doom feels kinda bad to use to me

frozen willow
#

its odd but its handy

signal aspen
#

Use ME

frozen willow
flint pollen
#

Doom is really really good if you get merciful end, if you dont its kinda meh

signal aspen
#

ME will destroy everything

frozen willow
#

HAMMER IS BACK

flint pollen
#

Yes

frozen willow
#

Hammer is the best cameo in Hades

stark dock
#

the only things i like to do with ares is a revenge build because i like doing nothing and winning

flint pollen
#

My favourite cheese build is sword with merciful end with ares on attack, athena on special and athena dash, and then try to get as many extra dashes from hermes as possible

#

Dash strikes instantly prok merciful end

frozen willow
#

Hephaestus will always be in my heart waiting to be known more than just being a hammer

twin thistle
flint pollen
#

You can just absolutely melt everything

frozen willow
twin thistle
#

s p e e d

frozen willow
#

you should see my spear build

#

i had almost all speed boons

signal aspen
stark dock
#

my favorite cheese builds is a full dodge build

frozen willow
#

plus almost 10+ dashes

stark dock
#

u get the feather and the dodge gloves

frozen willow
#

i was the fastest boy

stark dock
#

and then just...dont get hit

mint coral
#

hyper sprint + greater haste + dad call is fun

flint pollen
#

The dps you can get with merciful end and 5 dashes is just actually stupid

twin thistle
#

10+ dashes. thats definitely a thing

#

anyways got given the idea of attack only shackle chiron

frozen willow
flint pollen
#

Its 5 dashes in a row and then one attack and one special

signal aspen
twin thistle
#

rush delivery is kinda cheating tbh

flint pollen
#

Also i will say this to the bow

twin thistle
#

yeah common rd

signal aspen
#

Pog

frozen willow
#

someone wanna call im lonely ;-;

signal aspen
flint pollen
#

these are maybe the most free satyr tunnels ive ever had with chain shot and flurry shot

frozen willow
stark dock
#

how do you think the enemies in hades feel when zagreus rolls up lategame and kills them in 2 seconds

flint pollen
#

Flurry shot stunlocks everything and autoaim takes care of the rest

frozen willow
flint pollen
#

I can literally press attack and everything in the room dies

signal aspen
flint pollen
#

Dont need to move

stark dock
#

how do you think the enemies feel in an erebus gate after they lose and get called useless by hades

frozen willow
stark dock
#

how drunk are those fat enemies in tartarus

frozen willow
#

matter of fact how do you think the fury sisters feel when hades literally roasts them with everything he has

#

each and every time you pass tartarus

signal aspen
#

Idk go ask them

frozen willow
#

well meg dislikes it

#

tisphone is on lsd prolly and alecto is a sadomasochist

#

i think that tells you everything

stark dock
#

tisiphone is my favorite sister to fight

frozen willow
#

same

stark dock
#

bc if u get an athena ability she just gets

#

invalidated

signal aspen
#

I like meg bc she has the least health

frozen willow
#

she is my preferred choice when doing a no dmg run

signal aspen
#

Tis has the most health

stark dock
#

the only type of special runs i do are boonless

frozen willow
#

I can literally avoid everything she has easily

#

I can literally eat my breakfast and take a shower for her

#

she is so predictable

stark dock
#

haha, deflect go brr

frozen willow
#

i dont use deflect as much

#

I get used to dodging evrything

stark dock
#

i dont have the mental capacity to dodge attacks

frozen willow
#

to abuse my mirror buff

stark dock
#

so i just face tank them with deflects

frozen willow
#

greater reflex

#

ruthless reflex*

mint coral
#

most of the time i dont even dodge tis projectiles lol

#

you can just destroy them

signal aspen
#

I don't use ruthless reflex that much

#

I only use it on high heat shield or gilgamesh

stark dock
#

any1 ever take a chaos boon without reading the detrimental effect and it invalidates ur entire build

signal aspen
#

Yeah

stark dock
#

isame

signal aspen
#

Mostly on beo

#

I see extra cast or cast damage I take

stark dock
#

i see attack damage and i just go awooga and pick it

frozen willow
#

I go for whatever i can scale best without hurting myself too much

frozen willow
#

like

#

I have luck beyond most

#

i get some really funny downsides in chaos

#

my top faves

#

are

mint coral
#

if im on tartarus i take anything tbh

stark dock
#

i dont care about chaos boon detriments, give me the funny buff

frozen willow
#

You cant pick up ur casts that fast lmao

#

and you dont make money .-.

#

just take the coin purse

signal aspen
frozen willow
#

its there for a reason

frozen willow
#

I TAKE IT CAUSE I KNOW HOW TO PLAY WITHOUT CASTS

#

no matter how useful it is

stark dock
#

i havent used a cast in my last 10 runs

frozen willow
#

my point

signal aspen
#

Bruh

stark dock
#

i do not need cast

frozen willow
#

you forget you even have it sometimes

signal aspen
#

Casts are poggers

mint coral
#

cast good

stark dock
#

the only time i think cast is even worth it is if i go all in on casts

frozen willow
#

and I use them exclusively for bosses or to beat thanatos

#

thats it

stark dock
#

i had a really funny build with like 7 aphrodite casts

frozen willow
#

unless its like divine, tidal or drunken

signal aspen
vagrant grove
#

16 casts how

stark dock
#

i am not good at going for casts

mint coral
#

mirage shot

frozen willow
#

i only require 3 tbh

#

3 casts are just enough

signal aspen
stark dock
#

yeah but more is funnier

stark dock
vagrant grove
#

more always = better

#

life lesson

stark dock
#

nahh not always

frozen willow
frozen willow
stark dock
#

more not unlocked chaos boons

frozen willow
#

more blood?

stark dock
#

?

#

more loss of death defiance?

frozen willow
#

more homework?

vagrant grove
frozen willow
#

more debt?

vagrant grove
frozen willow
#

I can keep going

stark dock
frozen willow
#

we are zag he is into it too

#

meg proves this

vagrant grove
frozen willow
#

they are too prideful

stark dock
#

how do furies fly cause its clearly not with their singular wing

#

i like to think they just get pulled around from a string

vagrant grove
#

lmao

frozen willow
#

women have special powers

stark dock
#

ah i knew it all along

frozen willow
#

like my mom can tell when someone is lying

flint pollen
#

Aphro cast is apparently not enough to do damage with the bow...?

#

Or is it just that the bow has super low dps

frozen willow
stark dock
#

what do u guys think is the best bow aspect

frozen willow
#

bow can be very high tbh

chrome wharf
#

you're missing it, probably

vagrant grove
#

depends

frozen willow
mint coral
chrome wharf
#

Zaggy

vagrant grove
#

rama

signal aspen
#

Yeah rama

stark dock
#

i really really like aspect of rama bc i always get explosive shot with it and it does 600 damage in one shot

frozen willow
#

rama

flint pollen
#

I dont have any hidden aspects unlocked yet

vagrant grove
frozen willow
#

rama makes my legs feel mmmmmmmmmm

stark dock
#

yeah but

#

its good with rama

flint pollen
#

And i dont have any titan blood on bow because i dont have enough titan blood for that

frozen willow
stark dock
#

ive done ramam five times

frozen willow
signal aspen
flint pollen
#

Yeah well its not great if the weapon is only good with the hidden aspect

stark dock
#

and always gotten the same two daedalus

vagrant grove
#

it's worse with rama than on any other aspect

frozen willow
#

I havve like 10 titan blood rn

stark dock
#

u get twin shot and explosive

#

and its god tier

signal aspen
#

Pathetic I have 65

frozen willow
#

muck i started last week

flint pollen
#

Fr tho this dps is so bad

frozen willow
#

and spent alot of it

signal aspen
#

Still pathetic

vagrant grove
stark dock
frozen willow
#

havent even beat hades yet

#

gotten close

#

forgot about his second form

signal aspen
chrome wharf
flint pollen
#

Ill try to survive as far as i can ig

vagrant grove
#

Explosive shot is horrible with any F0, you just die before you get attacks

stark dock
#

high heat is masochism

chrome wharf
#

32 is still ok

stark dock
mint coral
#

32 heat is fine

vagrant grove
chrome wharf
#

it's however high you're resetting for AP RNG that's starting to be grindy

frozen willow
stark dock
#

will this escalate into ana rgument because i dont wanna do that

vagrant grove
stark dock
#

the best gun aspect is lucifer because of lasers

frozen willow
stark dock
#

i will not elaborate

frozen willow
#

best one

#

is

chrome wharf
#

my small brain can't keep track of yet another consumable

frozen willow
#

idk

stark dock
vagrant grove
frozen willow
#

the one i use the most

stark dock
#

i dont use lucifer the most but i like it the most

twin thistle
frozen willow
#

which one is which

stark dock
#

lucifer does the funny beam attack

#

and has weird special

vagrant grove
#

funni lazer

flint pollen
#

I still maintain that all the weapons should be playable without aspects or upgrades xD

frozen willow
#

bow is great without all the aspects

#

i enjoy it without them still

#

im just meh at it and dont have as much fun still

chrome wharf
stark dock
#

my favorite weapon in the game is the shield

mint coral
#

bow has like the most solid aspects

frozen willow
#

like

mint coral
#

and a usable zag aspect

frozen willow
#

its possible

#

just not easy