h1-discussion

[reef zodiac]

No thanks

That doesn’t sound fun

[twin thistle]

50 heat on all 24 aspects ig

[vagrant grove]

lmao

weird flex but ok

[lone kernel]

It’s kind of the community’s agreed upon benchmark for what makes high heat, also the skelly reward

[reef zodiac]

40 24 was pretty fun though

[twin thistle]

but he said 40

yeah

[vagrant grove]

so 40 24 is 40 heat all aspects?

[reef zodiac]

I suggest 32 24 and 40 24, it’s fun

[vagrant grove]

I'm trying 32 24 ig then, didn't know there was an official name for it

[reef zodiac]

Idk if it’s official

[twin thistle]

well its just an abbreviation he made lol

[vagrant grove]

it feels weird going from 16 heat to 32

[twin thistle]

well its a big hike

[ripe otter]

I agree that the damage from DM is pitiful, but it honestly doesn’t hurt to pick up. I mean, sure, you’ll usually have better options, but it’s never a detriment to take, unlike some other boons (looking at you smoldering air)

[vagrant grove]

but even weirder from 32 to 40, for some reason

[reef zodiac]

Hot take: 45 is to 50 what 0 is to 40

[twin thistle]

32 to 40 is a very big difference

[vagrant grove]

this is true, can confirm

[reef zodiac]

I literally think that the jump from 45 to 50 is about equal to the jump from 0 to 40

Every heat you add gets exponentially harder than the last

I don’t even want to think about 55

[vagrant grove]

all the nasty pacts emerge >40 I agree with that, things like APx or FO2 HL5 TD3 JSx start becoming mandatory

[lone kernel]

Would recommend a few 20s in there along the way. Good to practice lc4, TD3 and fo1

[vagrant grove]

who needs practice when you have merciful end

[lone kernel]

I found today with FO0, TD3 gets way sweatier

[lone kernel]

Fair point haha

[reef zodiac]

At 45 the worst pact I have on is AP1. At 50 it’s EM4, AP2, or RI2.

[vagrant grove]

and insane Gods Legacy luck

I literally cannot imagine AP2

[reef zodiac]

Also CP2 starts becoming semi-common, at least if you’re trying to avoid too many of the miserable pacts

[vagrant grove]

AP1 is already so hard

[reef zodiac]

Imagine RI2

[vagrant grove]

no rolls

[reef zodiac]

No Dark Foresight

That’s the big one

It’s devastating

[vagrant grove]

yikers no DF

[twin thistle]

just do shackle hestia. build complete. ez

[reef zodiac]

You keep saying that

[twin thistle]

until forced zeus attack twice in a row

[vagrant grove]

then AP2 forces you into hangover attack

[reef zodiac]

But with JSx CPx that’s often not true

[ripe otter]

My heat runs always have JS cause more enemies means more money

[reef zodiac]

You need a damaging dash for some rooms, or a special boon

[vagrant grove]

js is horrid with tight deadline

[reef zodiac]

JS sucks

It’s a really miserable pact

[twin thistle]

js3 cp2 td3 with ap2 or ri is fun

[vagrant grove]

if JS increased enemies on screen, it would maybe be actually fun, but it just makes more waves

[twin thistle]

plus bp2

[whole comet]

JS will show it's true color on Elysium...

[reef zodiac]

JS3 CP2 TD3 AP1 RI2 BP2 were all in my Beowulf 50 pact

[ripe otter]

Tight deadline can take a tightened noose to the person who thought of it. I like looking around places, and TD makes it not a thing

[reef zodiac]

JS is Elysium is truly stupid

[vagrant grove]

CP2 n o

[reef zodiac]

Actually miserable

[twin thistle]

thats why i dont 50 heat

[reef zodiac]

7+ unarmored brightswords. Sure, why not
(4 waves of them too)

[whole comet]

styx is occasionally bad, but JS all those things they throw at u at Elysium Xd

[vagrant grove]

oh no Wieldo and Pancake are in the same chat at the same time

[whole comet]

oh he's here agian

[vagrant grove]

guess it's a reality show now

[ripe otter]

As a JS runner, Elysium is hell in its purest form. NOTHING LIKE 3 WAVES OF 4 SHIELDED PAINS

[vagrant grove]

:/

[whole comet]

prolly won't, dun care his word anymore

[twin thistle]

thats why you dont js

[ripe otter]

As a butterfly fan, ELYSIUM CAN BURN IN HELL

[reef zodiac]

Or how about literally two minutes of dashing through the same obstacle to slowly kill flamewheels because you can’t afford to take 20 every time you want to kill one

Which is a thing that happens with some weapons

[twin thistle]

teleporting flamewheels

[vagrant grove]

flamewheel room malphon

with speed

[ripe otter]

Fists

[whole comet]

u could say the same for EM4 if Hades decides to summon the miniboss 😦

[vagrant grove]

complete opposites

[reef zodiac]

Rama as well, unless you have Ares, Zeus, or Dio special

[marble badge]

🤔

[reef zodiac]

Or a good dash

Which you often won’t with AP2

[vagrant grove]

also, Tartarus not Hell, keep in the mythos

[reef zodiac]

Tartarus is the most fun part of 50 heat tbh

Elysium definitely the worst

Other than getting 5 sacked

[ripe otter]

Sorry, whoever thought of Elysium needs to breath 0 oxygen

[vagrant grove]

I hate Tartarus simply because of the enemies that spawn enemies

[twin thistle]

cloner speeders/saviors

[vagrant grove]

numbskull rooms with cloner and savior

eeeeeeeeeeee

[whole comet]

i guess the 2nd region does not have really annoying perks?

other than them dropping 3 lava

i can't think of any unique

[vagrant grove]

just speeder really imo, asphodel is the easiest region unless HS

[reef zodiac]

BS in Tartarus is also less obnoxious because it’s early in the run so a reset isn’t usually the end of the world. Whereas the most bs-vulnerable room in the run is Chamber 34 (aka the last room of Elysium)

[vagrant grove]

(IMO)

[whole comet]

speeder could appear in all region

[reef zodiac]

Lernie is actually pretty hard for a lot of people at high heat

[whole comet]

tbh, all of them r annoying

[brisk trail]

Hydra dont understand personal space

[vagrant grove]

other than lernie, she's so hard when she's blue and HL5

[reef zodiac]

Then stop playing the game

[brisk trail]

👍

[twin thistle]

honestly i die more to lernie and furies than champs at 40. though yeah usually making it due to better luck anyways

[vagrant grove]

just use Zeus and win every time

[reef zodiac]

I die more to Lernie than Hades in my 40+ heat runs

[ripe otter]

Asphodel in general is fun. I like Eurydice, the mini boss rooms are difficult but not a pain (stares at Elysium), Lernie is also a fun boss (STARES AT ELYSIUM) , and the enemies are fun to fight(Y O U G E T T H E P O I N T)

[brisk trail]

Asphodel lava is annoying

[twin thistle]

yeah some aspects make them a lot easier

[reef zodiac]

Lernie is a terrible boss, Champions is really fun

And hopping enemies are not fun at all

[ripe otter]

Eh, just my opinion I suppose

[reef zodiac]

Elysium is fine without JS3

With JS3 it’s stupid

[vagrant grove]

Lernie is the hardest boss in the game (other than EM4 dad) confirmed???

[brisk trail]

What is the hardest enemies to kill?(excluding miniboss and boss)

[ripe otter]

I’ll take them over enemies built like titanium tanks with armor to boot and a shield

[vagrant grove]

imo greatshields without a piercing boon

wansen

[brisk trail]

greatshield is pain

[reef zodiac]

As I said, everything in Elysium is fine unless there’s 60% more of it. Then it’s really stupid and rooms have way way too many waves

[whole comet]

hardest enemies, i think sword one i hate the most

sometimes they just dash to u and instant hit u

[reef zodiac]

Greatshields are by far the worst enemy in the game

[whole comet]

when u did FO2 though, hf with the charriot

[vagrant grove]

Exalted enemies gain mirror of night upgrades and two new variants that wield a rail and fists = MM2 lmao

[reef zodiac]

Honestly Chariots are fine aside from on sword and fists which suck anyway

[timber cloud]

Elysium is the best region to look at and the worst region to play

[vagrant grove]

BLASPHEMY

[ripe otter]

Beyond true

[ripe otter]

Excalibur is fun, and I think it’s good too.

Fists suck tho LOL

[vagrant grove]

:0 how dare you

[reef zodiac]

Not at high heat, which is what I’m talking about. For sure the worst high heat aspect, other than maybe Gilgamesh

Arthur is so bad at high heat

Specifically like 49+

[timber cloud]

The only design aspect that really doesn't sit right with me in this game (and it's only a small complaint not a big one)

It's beyond irritating to play with the 5 minute time limit per a region and lose against hades solely because the bag for cerberus didn't appear till doing all 5 rooms.

[reef zodiac]

Yep. Imo sack RNG is the worst part of the game

Just lost a godlike 45 heat run to it today

[ripe otter]

Fist users running stubborn defiance because they can’t stop taking damage cause they have to be 1 inch away from the enemy

[brisk trail]

sometimes 2 room got sack
Sometimes must do the whole room

[reef zodiac]

What

Is that supposed to be like a revelation?

[vagrant grove]

kinetic launcher hadoken build

[brisk trail]

i forgor

[reef zodiac]

That’s like if I said “sometimes you see Patroclus, sometimes you don’t see Patroclus”

[vagrant grove]

or you know just use ME and obliterate everything before they can hit you

[brisk trail]

Is it possible to get the cerberus sack with only 1 styx(?) room

[reef zodiac]

I’ll be sure to get ME with my AP2 or RI2 AP1 pact

[vagrant grove]

no

[timber cloud]

Someone do a max heat run with guan yu spear boonless.. i want to see it

[whole comet]

nope

[reef zodiac]

No

[reef zodiac]

Bro wait for someone to do max heat unseeded first

[whole comet]

u could try to always for non-boon room first though

[vagrant grove]

just have luck (/s)

[timber cloud]

max heat guan yu run boonless, with no keepsakes, no summon, and no mirror buffs active. Make it happen

[reef zodiac]

Also Guan Yu is not the worst aspect, pretty far from it (not great though, don’t get me wrong)

[vagrant grove]

okay satan cool down

geez

[twin thistle]

is that even possible routed

[vagrant grove]

take a snickers or smth

[timber cloud]

Oh and play using a guitar hero controller

[vagrant grove]

to tartarus with you

[reef zodiac]

“lots of hard things that I just thought of lol I bet you can’t do that one guys.

Now laugh.”

[vagrant grove]

aBVeRagE ReDDitOr!!!

[timber cloud]

It's a reasonable challenge that i have no doubt someone will achieve at some point even if it requires future glitches

[reef zodiac]

Glitches?

Also no it’s not

[timber cloud]

yeah like things speedrunners sometimes find years later

[vagrant grove]

just become god lmao, so easy

[timber cloud]

eventually someone will find the right course of action to achieve it its simply a matter of time

[reef zodiac]

No

[vagrant grove]

cough any speedgame evercough

but yeah, that's really unrealistic

[reef zodiac]

Celesa if you can tell me the max heat anyone has ever beat unseeded and the max possible heat, then I’ll humor the idea of your stupid challenge

[timber cloud]

It's simply dependent on someone eventually finding an undiscovered trick, glitch or exploit which actually happens in a lot of popular games even if it takes years.

[reef zodiac]

Sorry that was a bit aggressive

[timber cloud]

The original mario game still has had such tricks discovered in recent years and that game came out in the 80s

[reef zodiac]

That’s not really how this game works though

[vagrant grove]

take a chill pill Mr. Anime Antagonist lmao

[reef zodiac]

What, you’re waiting for someone to discover an invincibility glitch or something?

[whole comet]

well, i guess Hades is still just 1 year or more old?

[vagrant grove]

1.0 is like a year old

[reef zodiac]

Because that would just go against the spirit of the game

[ripe otter]

Here’s my challenge: beat EM4 JS3 CP2 with Gilgamesh, all keepsakes except for god spawners are allowed, and you have to use fated persuasion, not fated authority

[whole comet]

u never know what speedrunners can do lol

but i guess someone gotta be working on guitar controller hades? XD

[vagrant grove]

more like data miners and glitch hunters, speedrunners usually do more executing than finding

[timber cloud]

56 or 57 i think? i still think it will someday be done by some super dedicated person that stumbles across the right trick and right circumstances

[ripe otter]

Don’t care if you use SD it DD, just make it happen

[reef zodiac]

The answer is 62 and 64

And no, it won’t

[timber cloud]

why not?

[reef zodiac]

Guan Yu doesn’t have enough damage to do 64 heat, and certainly not boonless

[timber cloud]

I am not pretending to be an expert on the game for what it is worth if anyone thinks I am I just suppose I have a lot of faith in people discovering workarounds in due time.

[vagrant grove]

deadline kills you, right

not just 1hp

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[twin thistle]

well youd kinda use persuasion anyways

[twin thistle]

until divine protection

then you die if you lose the shield

apparently

[reef zodiac]

True, divine protection will let you live at 1hp as long as your shield is up

[whole comet]

the person who did the 64 heat

[reef zodiac]

Baj?

[vagrant grove]

just pray for athena then no hit, easy amirite

[whole comet]

if u check, he has all the friend room and all fountain room

so that just skip 6 room ouf of 50

[reef zodiac]

The run is routed.

[whole comet]

anyone thinks if u play normally, how often that would happen XD

[timber cloud]

speaking for myself even if i had 80 percent god mode active I have no doubt 50+ heat would destroy me no matter what build I used.

[whole comet]

alll 6 rooms in a run

at least, without mod

[vagrant grove]

ive gotten that without routing

[marble badge]

so like this was meant ironically, but also keep in mind that some of the conversations here are probably also similarly full of misguided or uninformed conjecture stated as fact

[vagrant grove]

I thimk, at least

[marble badge]

just how it is with large communities open to pretty much anyone

[timber cloud]

For what it is worth it's not a feat i thought was currently possible but something I was thinking would happen at some point in the future.

[marble badge]

for sure

it's in theory possible but it takes the right kind of person with the right kind of mentality to make happen

[vagrant grove]

I... don't quite understand what you're saying here. Please explain?

[marble badge]

i'm basically saying that memeing about the average redditor as if this server is superior in some way is somewhat futile

[vagrant grove]

I didn't mean it as the server was superior, if that's how I came across. Arguments here and discussion can be just as bad as other places, to clear it up

[reef zodiac]

Idk I just don’t really like when random people come in and say some stupidly hard and unfun thing and act like everyone is gonna be interesting in talking about their impossible challenge. Like in the HK community when someone says “now do it hitless” or “now do it charmless” after any challenge is completed, or “haha beat AnyRad 2.0 (boss designed to be impossible) hitless with no charms with nail 0 spelless without shade cloak lol”. But I get you didn’t have any ill intentions, sorry for being so toxic lol

[vagrant grove]

"now do this" is just a little annoying

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[vagrant grove]

whether it's videogames, art, sports etc

[marble badge]

that kinda stuff depends on context I guess

[vagrant grove]

context is everything for well, almost everything

[marble badge]

like if somebody gets a really cool achievement and then somebody comes along and says that then it's kinda rude and invalidating of that great achievement

[twin thistle]

half the time theyre probably just memeing. so ignore em

[vagrant grove]

like say, completing your first 16 heat here then some guy in victory boasting says "now do 32 "

[marble badge]

well that's a little different lol

[vagrant grove]

but unironically

[marble badge]

depending on how you phrase it you could see it as like

motivational?

[vagrant grove]

depending on the phrasing it's either encouraging or insulting

[marble badge]

yea

[twin thistle]

well the dusa face is usually put there to imply its an ironic statement lol

[rapid forum]

[brisk trail]

Extreme measure be like
EM1-3:
EM4: 💀

[reef zodiac]

I’m kinda glad EM4 is super hard. I feel like it should be super hard. But I still wish the spear throw was either a little slower or did less damage, and I definitely wish it didn’t hit me while I’m blocking

There’s no reason that the hardest attack to avoid should do the most damage

That’s pretty stupid imo

[marble badge]

I am mostly okay with the spear throw

[whole comet]

u talking about EM4 Hades spear?

[timber cloud]

I mean if this weren't general discussion I suppose I could understand that way of thinking.. like if this was in the high heat strategy discussion channel I could see how that theorizing would be annoying.

[whole comet]

there's a good reason the attack is there

[reef zodiac]

Honestly fair point

[whole comet]

u might not notice, but with that attack, Hades's less likely to break the pot in phase 2-3

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but it does 50 base damage, more than any other attack (I think), despite being his literal fastest attack that is the hardest to avoid

[vagrant grove]

Em4 should be hard, but not gimmicky

[marble badge]

the fact that you can stop it in its tracks is kinda nice

[reef zodiac]

Wym?

[rapid forum]

you can attack the spear while it's coming towards you

and it'll stop

[vagrant grove]

I think they struck a good balance between "actually hard" and "bruh this is just not fair" with EMx in general

[whole comet]

also, if he does the 2 swing + spin combo, he does not move

2 swing+ spear, he acts back again

[reef zodiac]

Wait why did I not know that

[rapid forum]

idk

[marble badge]

yeah I do it in my 60-heat run a few times

[rapid forum]

the more you know

[reef zodiac]

Ok it’s definitely stupid that it goes through your shield if he’s close enough though

That’s not fair

[vagrant grove]

it does that?

[rapid forum]

I don't play enough shield to know

I don't block with shield

[reef zodiac]

The hitbox is huge, so it will hit your back

[marble badge]

blocking is a little different

[reef zodiac]

You can’t block it unless it’s far away

[twin thistle]

smh. blocking

[marble badge]

but yeah projectiles that pierce will go through your shield and hit you and you will die

[reef zodiac]

Well if you’re far enough away you can block it, right?

But if you’re right in front of him then it hits your back

[timber cloud]

It's kind of funny to me that spear started off as my favorite weapon but became my least favorite weapon.... and bow/fists/gun were the three weapons I was most weary of using and now they are my 3 most used.

[vagrant grove]

that's like saying "I don't special with Demeter fists "

[reef zodiac]

Same with me but with fists

[vagrant grove]

this but not bow

[reef zodiac]

Honestly it really is

[rapid forum]

I just like dodging

the only time I block is with beowulf

but that's cause I want bullrush

[reef zodiac]

You don’t bull rush with other shields?

Bull rush is amazing

[lament pagoda]

How does saving work in this game? How do I know when it's safe to close the game?
Please @ me

[umbral whale]

I had accidentally adopted the best playstyle for Eris Splash Dash combo cuz thats just how i played rail in the first place lol

[rapid forum]

the game autosaves everytime you enter a chamber and clearing a chamber

[whole comet]

you see the quit / give up button when u pause?

if the quit button is available, then it's safe to quit

[rapid forum]

and that

[whole comet]

if you can't click on it, and can only give up, then dun quit

[umbral whale]

It saves after every run, and after every entrance to the courtyard. Its supposed to save after every room in a run but ive found that to not be reliable

[whole comet]

or it will consider u fail and restart from weapon room

[twin thistle]

basically dont just close the game

[lament pagoda]

So generally after each room? But the safest is immediately after a failed run?

[twin thistle]

actually press quit

[whole comet]

as long as u can press quit, then u're safe

[vagrant grove]

generally, right after collecting a room reward or after a death. If you can press "quit" it saved

[lament pagoda]

Man I got back to the first boss with such good powers and still lost

Ok thank yall for the info

[whole comet]

if u take dmg, u won't be able to quit half way

usually gotta complete the fight and accept reward

fair warning, if u beat the first boss and just close the game, u will restart

be sure to pick up the reward

[fast willow]

you cant even play chaos without blocking

unless you just dont play chaos

[whole comet]

lol arn't that the purpose of shields?

[fast willow]

like the only shield where you can maybe get away without blocking is zeus

[reef zodiac]

actually bull rushes are not great with Zag shield

They don’t benefit from the damage bonus

Still amazing with CShot though

[rapid forum]

charged shot is just too good

[rapid forum]

I bullrush, I just don't purposefully block attacks

[full nexus]

Ping where

[marsh ore]

Do special % modifiers apply to the lightning dmg of thunder flourish

[rapid forum]

from a hammer?

[marsh ore]

No chaos

[rapid forum]

oh, that only applies to base damage

[marsh ore]

Icic

[unborn ermine]

Eek
Played hades after a long while and I am very out of practice

[steady geyser]

Just beat EM Hades without using any of my 3 defiances 😬

[brisk trail]

Nice

Bet that is super hard

[whole comet]

some weapons are easier to do that

[full lagoon]

What does Poseidon say when he sees you with Excalibur?

I accidentally clicked past it

[spare tiger]

I think something about it being a really fancy sword and preferring the trident, but im not sure

I got that dialogue ages ago

[real skiff]

Question about the ares prophecy, should it be autocompleted if i have enough kills by the time i got it?

Cause Uh

It Isnt

[mint coral]

If you already have the 10k kills just keep talking with him until he recognizes it

[real skiff]

Oh okay

Thanks

[mellow wagon]

I opened 8-skulls statue...

And I don't know what to feel...

[rapid forum]

do you not feel accomplished upon seeing such magnificent statue?

a pure craftsmanship?

[mellow wagon]

I feel like I've been put through hell and back and I see my life as a worthy one to live.

[reef zodiac]

Wait until you see the 32 heat statue

[mellow wagon]

These statues are literally the best motivation to put on the hardcore mode across all the games I've seen.

My real level is 4.

I put 8 just to see the prize.

[reef zodiac]

No if they were the “best motivation” there would have been one for 50 heat because that was really hard

[fast willow]

is zeus special good on chaos shield

[reef zodiac]

And there would be one for 55 so I have something to work toward

[mellow wagon]

Well, Supergiants are merciful. More than FromSoftware, that is.

[reef zodiac]

Lame

Nothing in DS1 or DS3 is really that hard though, right? Unless I’m forgetting something

Hollow Knight has some rewards that are really hard to get though

[fallow mountain]

what did the update do?

[reef zodiac]

(Namely the weathered mask or even the golden P5 bindings)

[mellow wagon]

You're a maniac.

Well, nothing too hard when you catch the rhythm. But still, Hades is a truly forgiving game that gives you a room for mistakes.

[spare tiger]

The dialogue from Skelly if you accidentally attack it is pretty amusing

[mellow wagon]

Oh! Thank you for the tip.

[high island]

If there are no patch notes, it's just minor bug fixes and stuff like that.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I always appreciate that room for error, which is why I never could get into hitless bosses in HK or golden berries (beating the level deathless) in Celeste.

[lunar orchid]

man i still cant get under 10

[pure karma]

What is up peeps

[lunar orchid]

Ya I think they shouldve add more statues in the garden, its a bummer more things didnt end up there.

[reef zodiac]

Nah I don’t mind

Seeing the “50” when I check my permanent record in the admin chamber is it’s own reward

[lunar orchid]

with the beo shield how long after he hits do the casts fire?

theres a delay ?

[ripe otter]

Can we all agree that Smoldering air is garbage(

[lunar orchid]

whats that

[reef zodiac]

????

It’s a top 5 boon in the game

It’s busted

That boon is so insanely good

It has singlehandedly carried multiple 40 heat runs

[lunar orchid]

what is?

i dont know the names of things

[vale moss]

Zeus aphro

[rapid forum]

your call gauge charges automatically

[vale moss]

Makes call charge up super fast.

Limits it to one bar

[rapid forum]

but in turn you can only use 25% of the gauge

[vale moss]

So no greater call but who cares

Greater call is bad on most calls anyway

[reef zodiac]

It’s absolutely insane

You can call every 5 seconds even if you never attack at all

[lunar orchid]

oio

yea i like it too

[reef zodiac]

And your call gives i-frames

[vale moss]

Carried my third fifty clear

[lunar orchid]

esp if you get the other zeus booin that gives you the bonus after call

[rapid forum]

yep

billowing is good.... boon

[vale moss]

Got super lucky with double ap not destroying me and smoldering hard carried

[lunar orchid]

can you ever get four hammers?

[lament pagoda]

I finally beat Meg :D
This time I the perfect weapon, good buffs, and actually enough health left to win

[reef zodiac]

No

[lunar orchid]

;[

i think arties call is my fav

i like arrows

or the divine call is fun too

[spare tiger]

Artemis is insane if you're right next to a boss

The health just PLUMMETS

[reef zodiac]

I don’t like Artemis call because only the full call does anything

[lunar orchid]

idk the arrows esp with a crit hit do like 500dmb

[reef zodiac]

No they don’t

It’s 300

It’s pretty useless in normal rooms

[lunar orchid]

idk i just hit someone with one and itw as like 480 somethigin

idk maybe im not paying enough attention

i just like it for that kill shot across the room

[vale moss]

The arty call is probably the worst or second worst in the game

Only one it might be better than is aphro

[lunar orchid]

thats like your opinion man

[vale moss]

But charm can be useful sometimes

No not really

[reef zodiac]

Yeah no they’re right

[vale moss]

Just objective fact

[reef zodiac]

Although charm sucks

[lunar orchid]

lol im just kidding

well i like it

[vale moss]

It doesn’t do that much damage and does nothing else

[reef zodiac]

That’s fine you can like it

[vale moss]

And only the greater call does anything which is bad because I like getting iframes lmao

[lunar orchid]

oo i got mirage shot with beo and the zeus duo

[vale moss]

But if you like it then you like it

[lunar orchid]

is mirage broken for beo you say?

[vale moss]

Cool

[lunar orchid]

whats broken?

[vale moss]

Which cast?

Yeah

Mirage broken

[lament pagoda]

I died right after Meg
The lava stuff is hard in a kind of unfun way

[lunar orchid]

posiden

[vale moss]

It does 100% instead of 30

Nice

Flood shot is my favorite

[lunar orchid]

ya i hate lava

[vale moss]

But dio is best for bursts

[lunar orchid]

ya i wanna get posi attack and get sea storm

for max splashy lightning

[vale moss]

I’ve gotten nearly 20k damage in one hit with dio

[reef zodiac]

It’s literally broken

It’s bugged

[vale moss]

It’s so busted

F proxy murdered me

Thunder flourish is my favorite non cast build

It’s so satisfying, for some reason

[lunar orchid]

is that the drunk cloud lightning?

anything with lightning is awesome

max out high voltage and double

[reef zodiac]

On what weapon? It’s super good for Zeus shield and terrible for Arthur so it really depends

[dusky wedge]

If the game would give me Zeus on every core boon, I’ll take it

Papa Zeus best papa

[reef zodiac]

Not a big fan of Thunder Dash, personally

[lunar orchid]

the duo making your stones call lightning when sitting around is awesome

especially for the rats

i can just sit in the corner and let the weather take care of it

[reef zodiac]

Lightning rod is pretty good. And I guess it’s great if you want to have a 45 minute clear time and just hold block in the corner of every room

[lunar orchid]

ya i was trying to go fast but i got distracted and now im at 19 minutes already

it happens all the time ;lol

idk especially with the legendary zeus boon and high vel and double boom its pretty wild

[mint coral]

lightning rod is a fun duo

[lunar orchid]

ya the artie call does way more than 300

or does that number get added up?

[pure karma]

I just realized something

Haelian plays better than me

[fast willow]

us unshakable mettle good at all?

it honestly seems like worse than a rare bronze skin most of the time

[marsh rivet]

The damage reduction is way less useful than the stun immunity

So yes, it's very good. Never good enough to aim for but almost always good enough to take

(close to every source of damage in the game stuns. Except like, brimstone/snakestone lasers, lava, that kind of thing)

You can easily tell if you're charging a bow, anything causes you to break the charge if you get hit

[marsh rivet]

Yeah he kinda dece.

[oak ibex]

Me: I desperately want to buy that Hades!Ares zine, but I am running out of money
My brain: You literally wrote your essay in English with a big theme of it being the beauty of violence and bloodshed. Do it.
My wallet: You sure?

[amber cloak]

So I've noticed that every run only has a certain "pool" of gods that can show up and I was wondering if I use a god's keepsake to make them show up do they get added to the pool or never show up in the run again once I switch keepsakes

[heady cypress]

I havent seen chaos since I repaired the thing for nyx's favor is that normal?

It's been a while now

[high island]

Any boon you find will be from a random god until you have boons from 4+ gods (not including Lord Hermes and Master Chaos). After that, any boon you find will be from those 4+ gods.

So yeah, if you take a god keepsake, they will be added to the "pool".

[amber cloak]

Ah ok that's cool

[high island]

Well, if you pick up their boon, anyway.

[amber cloak]

That's actually really neat to know, might give an incentive to skip a god's chamber if they don't mesh with the rest of your setup

[chrome wharf]

If a seed has a certain god boon start but I override it with another God's keepsake, is the first god still in the pool?

[marsh rivet]

Yeah, gods can't be removed from your pool

[dull niche]

no ledger i think they're asking about a different thing

[storm fox]

If you don't take it its not in your pool

[marsh rivet]

Oh I misread you're right

[high island]

There's no "pool" until you have boons from 4+ gods.

[dull niche]

the only way for a god to be in your pool is to pick up a boon from them

[storm fox]

Ye

[dull niche]

if you havent picked up a boon from them in your run, they are not added to your 'pool'

purging said boon does not remove a god from your pool, as ledger said you can't remove a god from the pool

[heady cypress]

Still haven't seen them

[high island]

Also, Trials of the Gods can only appear when you have picked up boons from 2 different gods already.

And only gods whom you already have boons from can appear in trials.

[lament pagoda]

I just beat the second boss my first try :o

[high island]

Nice!

[lament pagoda]

Wasn't expecting that since Meg was so hard at first

[amber cloak]

Might just be bad rng

[heady cypress]

I hope so cuz it cant go on forever

[gray apex]

Seed it

[heady cypress]

How?

[marsh rivet]

I mean since I've started playing again I haven't seen Patty in about 8 runs to Elysium

RNG happens lol

[amber cloak]

I definitely noticed that the beginning is harder because after a while the gameplay loop just "clicks". I was stuck so long in Elysium I legit thought Asterius was the final boss, didn't even get to Theseus. Then it clicked and I got past Asterius and beat the whole game in one go

[gray apex]

You started again?

Was it the doom rama that motivated you

[marsh rivet]

Honestly? Yes

LOL

[lament pagoda]

Maybe I should play Hell mode

[marsh rivet]

I don't play as hardcore as I did before tbf. Smaller goals, a couple of runs a day.

[chrome wharf]

400 hours later and I just realized that the floor is cracked at the spot Zag lands at the start of a run

[heady cypress]

THERE THEY ARE finally found a chaos gate after a couple of hours

[lament pagoda]

The what

[gray apex]

It’s just the beginning

You’ll be a tryhard in no time

[marsh rivet]

Lol, very very dumb argument where we were getting mad about whether or not Tempest Strike or Curse of Agony was worse on Rama.

It's an argument so dumb as to not be able to have winners (spoiler alert they're both garbage)

So out of pettiness I put my money where my mouth was and did a 50 Rama seeded for Curse of Agony

[chrome wharf]

Well tempest strike can go into rupture

[gray apex]

Worth

[amber cloak]

Does Curse of Agony dmg go through Shared Suffering damage

[marsh rivet]

nope, just direct attack damage

[amber cloak]

IMO Curse of Agony seems like the obvious loser lmao

[marsh rivet]

My argument was mostly that rare+ CoA is a ton of damage, poms really well, and lets you do 0 charged Rama shots for small enemies. It's realllly far from good but I think it probably edges out Tempest Strike, especially if you're on Drunken Flourish (which I was too) for Curse of Nausea

Didn't get the Curse of Nausea though lol but the thought was there

Tempest Strike's base and scaling are both abysmal. It's a closer comparison than you'd think lmao

It's like Artemis with no crit

[lament pagoda]

And I died right after the second boss...

[amber cloak]

The real question is why you'd ever use your attack on Rama when you can spam Zeus special

[marsh rivet]

It's less good than you think heh. Rama's arrows are too fast, you can't get more than one proc per enemy

Even with Relentless

[twin thistle]

ive had this experience lol

swift flourish zeus special is a bit fun though

[marsh rivet]

Swift Flourish will increase your number of lightning bolts though yeah

at least net

[gray apex]

So, what's next? 60 Heat Drunken Strike Rama?

[marsh rivet]

Uh, close. 50 heat Triple Drunken Strike Rama

[gray apex]

Was gonna say sounds fun but it really doesnt

[marsh rivet]

It'll be something lol. At least there's the mod to guarantee boon + hammer so I won't have to deal with the RNG grind for dumb memes

[gray apex]

Fair

[reef zodiac]

You’re welcome Ledger

[pure karma]

Doom Rama?

Doom on special with Aprho attack and that duo that makes doom deal more damage when applied multiple times?

[heady cypress]

Has anyone else here ever decided to do a dash only run after not getting a fitting attack or special boon until elysium? (I still don't have any)

[pure karma]

Yes. I did a full dash run with poseidon and sea storm duo

[heady cypress]

I don't remember what seastorm does but I have a 3rd dash and a +100dmg poseidon

[pure karma]

Poseidon Dash, Some zeus and Sea Storm

Sea Storm makes it so whenever you knock back an enemye a lightning bolt hits them too

[heady cypress]

Ain't that op?

[twin thistle]

i used the tidal dash seastorm combo for 40 heat gilgamesh lol

only got seastorm at styx though

[pure karma]

It's good

Wouldn't say op

know what was op?

Poseidon's Aid with Rip Current

[twin thistle]

and smouldering air

[pure karma]

Yeah

lol that was stupid

[twin thistle]

just spending as much time in call as outside lol

and the damage is really good too

[heady cypress]

Anyone down for 60 heat unseeded meme beam only?

I don't think it's possible due to td but I'd love to see that so good luck to you

[bright reef]

Is Dusa the Medusa?

[manic bobcat]

only one cast is suffering for meme beam

[manic bobcat]

not confirmed but in my head canon it's very likely

[bright reef]

Ok

And Medusa has kids right?

Or some kind of supernatural spawn

[manic bobcat]

dont think so?

well, per wikipedia

During that time, Medusa was pregnant by Poseidon. When Perseus beheaded her, Pegasus, a winged horse, and Chrysaor, a giant wielding a golden sword, sprang from her body.

[bright reef]

Ok so

Dusa

[manic bobcat]

erm, no

[bright reef]

Why not

[manic bobcat]

because our dusa is different from myth medusa, even if the name is the same

[bright reef]

Dang ok

[marsh rivet]

I thought there was dialogue that suggested otherwise, like her beef with Athena

[manic bobcat]

but if it's your head canon then whatever. the game took a lot of liberty with the source material

you can, too

[bright reef]

N o

[gray apex]

Doom on attack

[manic bobcat]

i think you are misunderstanding. dusa is likely medusa. but SGG took a lot of liberty they might as well be not the same.
it's like how Goku in the manga is the same Goku in the live action movie, but they might as well not be the same

if that makes sense

[pure karma]

Why

[gray apex]

For the memes

[marsh rivet]

Yeah that tracks

[marsh rivet]

^

[chrome wharf]

and that's based off Sun Wukong from Chinese Myth

I think

[manic bobcat]

which is based of a real monkey that migrated westward

[bright reef]

Kid Goku was based off of sun wukong right?

And then the author introduced space

[manic bobcat]

and they they invented time machine and you have Chrono Trigger.

but Hades

[bright reef]

Yes

[chrome wharf]

Newton's 3rd law: Every Hades post in general discussion generates an equally off topic post in hades discussion

[calm harness]

I just started Hades back, thanks to a friend who started for the first time

Is it just me or Guan Yu....

like I can manage pretty much every weapon after a bit of trying but this one, never managed o_o

[oak ibex]

Same. My HP bar paranoia forbids me to use it.

[calm harness]

it's not even about the HP....well yes it is, but it's just the poison cherry on the cake for me

it...IS...SLOW goddamnit!

[twin thistle]

btw the spin attack on guan yu is a trap

[modern garnet]

You start off a lot weaker than usual with it, just because of the health. But once you have a bit more health and a lot more boons, it shreds through areas

[gray apex]

Use the Special

Get Charged Skewer

[twin thistle]

dont use it much unless you get quick spin, and yeah use the special instead

[modern garnet]

Yeah the GY special is way stronger than it seems

[calm harness]

I mean, if only it had a BIT of a quicker charge attack it would be fun to use

but here, it's "forget everything but the special"

I find it's a shame

[modern garnet]

The spin is hard to use on purpose, because how good the healing is

[calm harness]

GOOD?!

[twin thistle]

with quick spin its okay

but still not something id spam

[calm harness]

it might even be nonexistent imo o_o

[modern garnet]

Healing? In a roguelite? It's liquid gold

If it was better it'd be too good

[calm harness]

I mean in low heat maybe I could manage

and I know i'm a scrub

but damnit once it starts to heat up it's completely restless

I just cannot charge quick enough in the chaos and the slightest damage interrupts it

I guess with quick spin it's usable but it's a shame that there's a "tax"

[twin thistle]

yep only really use it when enemies are spawning or chasing from far away

[calm harness]

and the heal well..it's can't follow the rythm of the damage you take eventually

[twin thistle]

also boss immune phases

[modern garnet]

GY is a lot like bow, I think

You gotta figure out when you can charge without getting hit

[calm harness]

hhmmmm I guess

[twin thistle]

more like explosve shot rama bow lol

[calm harness]

the bow feels almost like a rythm game to me

[modern garnet]

Hehe but thats the best kind of bow

I dunno maybe its just a preferred playstyle

[calm harness]

I enjoy Chiron myself, it feels so satisfying

yeah I guess

I just find that Guan Yu is probably the weakest link of the weapon that is already king of a weakest link

[high island]

So many white names.

[modern garnet]

Also afaik big spin also makes your GY spins faster, effectively

[high island]

You can set your roles in #bot-commands.

[calm harness]

yes and?

[twin thistle]

no

[modern garnet]

I've been here for years, it's a stylistic choice :3

[calm harness]

I've mostly been lurking without commenting

I was a bit more active during hades dev

(also I mean I get the "it would be too op if buffed" argument, but weapon like Beowulf's and Chaos' exist so...)

[pure karma]

Let's see how Curse of Longing and Dire Misfortune interact together

[marsh rivet]

GY is bad. Charged Skewer is cracked though. So it evens out. Kinda

[calm harness]

I'll try it out next run!

....if the RNG allow me!

thanks for the advice

[bright reef]

There's a chaos weapon?

[manic bobcat]

yeah

it's ||the shield||

[bright reef]

Wtf

H o w

Do I get

[calm harness]

it's incredibly fun to use, in addition of being busted

[bright reef]

I want it cause it's a weapon from papa chaos

[calm harness]

well keep talking to Chaos

[bright reef]

Do I have to give nectar?

[calm harness]

Iiiii don't think sooo?

[manic bobcat]

do you have all weapons unlocked?

[bright reef]

Ye

[gray apex]

Idk about busted

[manic bobcat]

then you should be able to unlock something called aspects

[bright reef]

Rn Im tryna get guan Yu so I can get Lucifer

[manic bobcat]

chaos is one of them

[manic bobcat]

it used to be pre launch

[calm harness]

busted in the sense it has a thing for every situation imo

[manic bobcat]

they kinda "gutted" it in release.

[calm harness]

mobility, godlike defense, potential crowd control, BURST

it's still very very strong I think

[bright reef]

What would Lucifer with Demeter cast be like?

[calm harness]

a light show?

[manic bobcat]

like normal?

[calm harness]

laser extravanganza

[bright reef]

And triple beam

That seems fun

[gray apex]

Yea I know about that, rip old Chaos

[lament pagoda]

Lmao I just beat a time encounter sitting in the corner with aegis literally the whole time

[stable dagger]

Daily reminder that Artemis is not only best girl but best character that supergaint has ever created

[calm harness]

eeeeeh she was my favorite god

back when her dash ensured a crit

Now I tend to go for Demeter usually

[stable dagger]

if we talking boons I love a good poison build

[manic bobcat]

i read that as a good prison build and wondered how the game got this dark.

[marsh rivet]

There's a boon called Curse of Agony lol. Starts off pretty dark

[calm harness]

that would be a good concept for a god that

a boon that does minimal damage but completely stun/paralyse the target

I mean we have slow, poison, delayed burst

[meager ridge]

gonna be honest

i'm actually kinda starting to like the game

i'm starting to get better and more powerful

[signal aspen]

pog

[meager ridge]

crap

i just lost one of my death defiances in elysium

[random kestrel]

not me losing all of my death defiances in elysium on 8 heat

[meager ridge]

god damn it

i lost another in styx

i've already lost

[random kestrel]

ik it sucks

at this point just try to get like diamond/ambrosia/titans blood from styx shop if there is one

[meager ridge]

honestly

a flaw i wanna point out is that you're pretty much required to have all of your death defiances saved for hades

or maybe it's just a flaw with me

idk

[signal aspen]

not really

just depends on the person playing

[twin thistle]

well youre not supposed to be able to make unlimited mistakes?

[random kestrel]

ive beat hades with no defiances before

[meager ridge]

no

it's not that

[random kestrel]

but i got lucky

+20% dmg for enemies and +20% move/attack speed for enemies together is hell

[signal aspen]

well you are in hell

[random kestrel]

but i mean, i'm playing hades so what did i expect

yeah

lol

[signal aspen]

so it makes sense

[random kestrel]

🥲

[twin thistle]

at 8 heat you dont really need to take fo and hl

[signal aspen]

yeah just use ri4

[random kestrel]

what are those

[meager ridge]

oh thank god

[random kestrel]

i dont know hades slang

[meager ridge]

i got a satyr sack

alright

[twin thistle]

boop

[meager ridge]

time to die

[twin thistle]

those uns

[signal aspen]

fo makes enemies move faster and hl makes them deal more damage

[random kestrel]

whats fo and hl

[signal aspen]

forced overtime

[random kestrel]

oh ok

[signal aspen]

hard labor

[random kestrel]

im just doing 8 heat with those to complete the quest to do all heat requirements

not to do 8 heat

[twin thistle]

icic

[random kestrel]

?????

help

im so lost

[twin thistle]

help wut

[random kestrel]

icic

what is that?

[twin thistle]

i see

isee

[random kestrel]

oh ic

[calm harness]

for me it's all or nothing, either I lose all my death defiances in elysium to those atrocious monsters

or the final boss take cares of them

also i'm sure there's a rule in the code that states

that when you need patroclus the most

he disappears

[meager ridge]

god damn

just lost another death defiance to hades

[calm harness]

stay strong!

[signal aspen]

yes

[meager ridge]

and another

god damn it

phase 1 and i only have one more shot

phase 2 and 28 health

i've already died

[random kestrel]

aww

welp gl on your next run

[meager ridge]

no i'm still alive

[random kestrel]

oh??

you still got this!!

[meager ridge]

i was just saying it in the terms of "i might as well just die now"

[random kestrel]

oh yeah

what weapon

[meager ridge]

that sword

[random kestrel]

oh i tried sword

i lost in elysium

LMAO

nice

[twin thistle]

lmao

[signal aspen]

bruh

[meager ridge]

i just died

ffs

[signal aspen]

F

[meager ridge]

"oh, he's tough for an old man"

[random kestrel]

wait unrelated but is hades the same for boss upgrades

[twin thistle]

hmm wdym

[meager ridge]

WELL YOU'RE WEAK FOR THE PRINCE OF THE DAMNED UNDERWORLD

[random kestrel]

bc i did all boss upgrades and didnt see any difference

[signal aspen]

only em4 effects hades

[twin thistle]

em4 hades is different

[random kestrel]

whats em4

[signal aspen]

extreme measures 4

[random kestrel]

i thought i did that??

whats the difference

[meager ridge]

for christ's sake

[twin thistle]

probably em3

[meager ridge]

i just HAD to die

what the hell

[random kestrel]

whats different

[meager ridge]

this game is way too reliant on luck

[twin thistle]

you need to unlock em4

[signal aspen]

did he have a 3rd phase?

[random kestrel]

oh no

[signal aspen]

then you didnt do it

[random kestrel]

how do you unlock it

[signal aspen]

idk

[twin thistle]

like 10 clear then buy from contractor

[random kestrel]

beat him 10 times?

oh ok

[meager ridge]

oh screw this dialogue, i'm skipping ahead to the actual mediocre gameplay

[twin thistle]

something like that

[twin thistle]

not really

[signal aspen]

eh

rng is a big part of hades

[random kestrel]

what contractor upgrade is more worth: get those switch stones from nectar or 5hp from darkness

[meager ridge]

for christ's sake

[twin thistle]

you get quite a bit of control over it with keepsakes and mirror upgrades compared to other games though

[signal aspen]

but i think skill is a bigger factor

[random kestrel]

but the big part of hades is how you deal with the hand youre dealt

[meager ridge]

not this dumbass skeleton again

i wish he'd just die when i killed him

[signal aspen]

switch stones from nectar?

you mean rerolls from keys right?

[random kestrel]

yeah

oops

[signal aspen]

i think that one is better

[random kestrel]

i meant to put keys

[twin thistle]

keys is the best one

[random kestrel]

ok ty

[twin thistle]

mainly with fated persuasion

[random kestrel]

can you only get rerolls from keys

or is there another wayh

[twin thistle]

last mirror upgrade

[meager ridge]

for christ's sake

i wish this game didn't make you depend on rng so much

[twin thistle]

maybe you just dont like roguelikes

if you dont like the game, theres no point playing it

[meager ridge]

i would quit

but i just know this game is going to tease me

so i'll play it again a week later

it's a constant loop

[twin thistle]

breaks help

[signal aspen]

how does it tease you

[wise oasis]

You can always watch it on YouTube if you feel the need to idk

Learn stuff ig

[meager ridge]

just knowing i haven't finished it

[signal aspen]

oh

[meager ridge]

it's usually just roguelikes though

like risk of rain 2

[twin thistle]

how much of the mirror do you even have unlocked

[meager ridge]

most of it

[twin thistle]

how much of last three?

[random kestrel]

wait but how do you get the stones

[meager ridge]

i have every single talent

[random kestrel]

do they appear as chamber rewards

[twin thistle]

upgrading the last mirror talent start you with some, getting keys gives more

[random kestrel]

ok cool

[twin thistle]

id recommend persuasion over authority though

[random kestrel]

is the well of charon one worth it

[meager ridge]

i still have to kill hades like 7 or 6 more times

[random kestrel]

i dont remember the names

[mint coral]

Use the green side of the skill

[meager ridge]

why the hell do you have to kill hades 10 times

[random kestrel]

ok yeah

i want to get like kiss of styx and the centaur souls from well of charon

[twin thistle]

with dark foresight and fated persuasion upgraded along with using god keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel you eliminate a whole lot of rng

[random kestrel]

the purple side just seemed bad

where you can reroll obol, gems, or purple crystals

[split owl]

... I was attempting to suicide. 65 minutes in (enemies are still alive) and they still haven't killed me once.

[twin thistle]

authority is meh except for like boonless runs

[random kestrel]

yeah

how do you do boonless btw

[meager ridge]

so

[random kestrel]

arent you guaranteed one

[meager ridge]

should i use fated authority or persuasion

[random kestrel]

or is it a heat level

[split owl]

Purging them when you have the purge store thing.

[twin thistle]

boonless just means selling boons whenever you can and generally avoiding them

[split owl]

As long as you make it to Hades without any boons, that's boonless.

[random kestrel]

oh ok

[signal aspen]

just dont use the boons that you get and purge them

[twin thistle]

yeah

[mint coral]

You can also reset until you get a hammer start for the first boon

[signal aspen]

you need to beat hades with no boons or only un-purgable boons for it to count as boonless

[random kestrel]

also even in boonless persuasion is good bc of well of charon

[twin thistle]

persuasion. and for the third to last use dark foresight over gods favour

[random kestrel]

like kiss of styx is important

[meager ridge]

alright

this better help

[twin thistle]

dark foresight is one of the best mirror talents

[random kestrel]

whats that agian?

[twin thistle]

also like it helps to have a build in mind through tart and aspho instead of just randomly picking whats thrown at you

[mint coral]

More run only items, less meta currency (darkness, gems, etc)

[twin thistle]

basically more boons, hearts, gold, poms, hammers

[meager ridge]

let's do this

this is irritating

failure after failure after failure after failure after failure after failure after failure after failure.

the results refuse to alter

[random kestrel]

wait so it gives more rooms before the final one?

[twin thistle]

@meager ridge uhhhh youre using sword right? for that id recommend ares keepsake in tart and athena in aspho. get ares attack and athena special to allow you to get their duo boon, also grab athena dash and impending doom from ares

[signal aspen]

no it makes the ratio of golden laurel rewards and blue laurel rewards go from 50:50 to 70:30

[meager ridge]

you can't be serious

i get a legendary boon right off the bat

[twin thistle]

wut poseidon

[signal aspen]

HUGE CATCH GAMING

[meager ridge]

AND IT JUST GIVES ME AN INCREASED CHANCE TO FIND FISIHING SPOTS??

[twin thistle]

lol

[signal aspen]

poggies

[meager ridge]

IS SUPERGIANT HIGH

[twin thistle]

its worth a lot of gold

[signal aspen]

yeah free money

[meager ridge]

WHAT THE CRAP IS WRONG WITH SUPERGIANT

[twin thistle]

free like 450 gold

[mint coral]

Fishes are nice tho

[twin thistle]

its literally free gold lol

[random kestrel]

I REMEMBER GETTING THAT ONE

that was funnny

but to be fair, in that same run i got another legendary and a heroic

[twin thistle]

well you gotta find a purging pool so somewhat free

[meager ridge]

once again, failure after failure after failure after failure after failure after failure after failure after failure. the results refuse to alter.

[random kestrel]

so big luck there

sell it!!

big money

[void vigil]

its a scripted event after you get the fishing rod to introduce you to the mechanic of fishing

[meager ridge]

i got the fishing rod SEVERAL ATTEMPTS AGO.

is this game dying of dementia or something???

[lone kernel]

It doesn’t happen immediately

[twin thistle]

so you got it afterwards

[lone kernel]

No, it has like nine plot lines going on at once

So if you took a keepsake you wouldn’t start Poseidon and wouldn’t get it that way

[void vigil]

also, this game is about failing and trying again

[meager ridge]

yeah, true

and it's trying to juggle them

without arms

[lone kernel]

Yeah you only get one plot point per convo

But you’re looking at it the wrong way

If you wanna be able to win with minimal effort you at the very least need your mirror maxed out

[narrow hemlock]

I think you should calm down a bit. the game does not always immediately respond to the things you do because it is not set up like that. the game sees you have met certain requirements and adjusts the potential dialogue that may come up according to what dialogue is available to you

[meager ridge]

call down?

don't you mean calm down?

[narrow hemlock]

auto correct exists, don't ignore my point lol

[meager ridge]

alright

maybe you're right

but it's still annoying as hell

oh yeah, by the way

[random kestrel]

no im pretty sure the game just has dementia

[meager ridge]

the "legendary" fishing boon was the only one i could pick

[signal aspen]

no but it has demeter

[meager ridge]

at least let me pick my damn poison

[void vigil]

yes, because its a scripted event, same with poseidon call earlier in the game

when it introduces you to calls

[random kestrel]

pretty sure demeter has dementia

[signal aspen]

yeah probably

[meager ridge]

incredibly annoying, but alright

[lone kernel]

It’ll happen one time ever, so get some fish and maybe you’ll get a new upgrade with the revenue

Don’t worry about it, it’s really not a huge deal

[meager ridge]

ok sure

[random kestrel]

wait so theres this quest where i need to catch 25 fish to impress poseidon, do i have to catch 25 and then not sell them?

or just 25 in total

[signal aspen]

in total

[twin thistle]

total

[random kestrel]

ok ty

[meager ridge]

i have 3 zeus boons

time to kill whatever fury the game spews out

fury killed

on to asphodel we go

[random kestrel]

i read that as time to kill whatever furry the game spews out

[meager ridge]

what

[lone kernel]

Never mind lol that was dumb of me

Kill some dudes

[twin thistle]

wot

[meager ridge]

GOD DAMN IT

I LOST A DEATH DEFIANCE IN ASPHODEL

[manic bobcat]

it literally only happens once per save file my guy. also believe it or not people like janky stuff in their vidya gaems, even if it's "useless."
not everything needs to be catered toward winning.

[meager ridge]

I'VE ALREADY LOST

[manic bobcat]

are you the person who spam FF15 after first blood in my league games?

[meager ridge]

what

what are you talking about

[void vigil]

just so you know, you can restore death defiances in more than one way throughout your run. but if you go through your runs with the mindset that youve already lost the moment you lose one, you will probably be more likely to lose

[meager ridge]

i know

[lone kernel]

Take a deep breath my guy

I beat 40 heat, it also took me 56 runs to get my first win

This game is a journey

It’s not just a badass simulator

[lament pagoda]

I'm in like 10 runs or something
Just got it yesterday

Aegis seems better than the rest of the weapons by far

[meager ridge]

oh for christ's sake

[manic bobcat]

blocking is generally good yeah

[meager ridge]

i lost ANOTHER death defiance

[lone kernel]

dude if you lose just…go again

[lament pagoda]

Does anyone use the sword or bow? They seem kinda weak to me

[lone kernel]

Maybe turn on god mode

[manic bobcat]

bow is my favorite and perhaps best weapon

ask away

[lone kernel]

Everything can be good. Just try stuff

[void vigil]

i love the bow :) i think its very fun

[lone kernel]

Early on you’re gonna have janky builds

[lament pagoda]

To beat this type of game you gotta be as patient and stubborn as Zagreus

[meager ridge]

god mode feels cheap