I’m taking a break from binding of Isaac and I really like hades so far
#h1-discussion
astral quest
paper aurora
What do you guys think about a keepsake that lets you get Hermès for the first boon?
humble jewel
sea storm is op
pure karma
Yo Lundin
humble jewel
hey
pure karma
Try seastorm with Hera and Poseidon cast
humble jewel
just cleared 32 heat
pure karma
wow nice brother
humble jewel
Oh, where would I put Zeus?
pure karma
what
humble jewel
you said sea storm on Poseidon cast ... but I need a Zeus boon and not sure where to put it. Not a big fan of Zeus on bow unless it's Chiron.
humble jewel
er, not Chrion. Nvm. I've actually never put it on Chrion
pure karma
Zeus special works good on all bow specials
And as I said, you can use Zeus Aid which is great
humble jewel
||wow Dusa just got elevated to Chief Custodian.||
steady geyser
Does taking dmg from a Chaos room interfere with pierced butterfly?
Nvm, wiki says no
livid zealot
quick question, can i just max everything on both sides of the mirror? or just the talent that is in use
high island
You can max everything.
humble jewel
yeah got all maxed out then just switch when I'm doing a particular build.
livid zealot
im bad at games and have made 35+ escape attempts to reach Elysium 😛
humble jewel
think it's time to do a new save file and do a playthrough. I'd like to think I'm a decent entertainer but the problem is I get stuck in the moment of the game and forget to talk.
livid zealot
but at least i can just gather darkness 😆
humble jewel
lol. Don't worry. I'm up to like 200. Post grin and just for fun now though. Think I had like 50 before I got Hades for the first time.
humble jewel
I think it definitely depends on your weapon. And the boss there is no joke for new players.
bull is running around and trying to stomp you to death or smack you over the head with an axe. The king is running away and throwing spears then when he gets to 50 percent health he starts blasting the screen with a random effect depending on what god he calls on.
and EM3 is everyone's favourite because king gets to ride around in a chariot and shoot a machine gun at you and the bull is armored but somehoe that just speeds him up.
humble jewel
Oh no you're talking about that depressed shade guy? Nope.
humble jewel
@pure karma no that's why I'm uber confused lol
humble jewel
I have been to Heracleion irl though if that make any difference.
livid zealot
oh
humble jewel
yeah lol Heracleion is a city in Greece.
livid zealot
i almost killed him until he filled my screen with sparkles
humble jewel
@pure karma he's talking about Theseus and Asterius. But when he said heracles I just thought about the city.
livid zealot
haha
humble jewel
no, but Theseus summons different gods. That's probably what he's talking about.
humble jewel
Asterius, top 3 character for me. Theseus, not so much.
humble jewel
@livid zealot when you come across Theseus and you slowly grow to hate him ... just imagine that he was going to be the protagonist when Supergiant first drew the game designs and ideas.
livid zealot
oh okay, i couldnt tell
pure karma
Lol oh mmy god. Theseus protagonist
humble jewel
completely different of course and probably not at all extremely contemptable I'd imagine.
livid zealot
hehe, i think ive met him once, are you meant to clear a chamber faster than him? (i died and didnt resolve the event)
humble jewel
that's thanatos
pure karma
Yeah
livid zealot
ahh
pure karma
If you clear more monsters or the same number, he gives you an extra centaur heart
humble jewel
it doesn't matter too much, though if you clear it faster you'll advance a story plot with Thanatos and he'll also give you a centaur heart for your troubles.
humble jewel
don't worry when you grow OP he'll be just another chum.
pure karma
For future reference, when you start using Tight Deadline, the timer stops completely in Thanatos encounters
humble jewel
Kinda like how any run under heat 10 I can do with my eyes closed. Oh wait ... I did heat 32 with my eyes closed. Roooooofl.
ok I'll stop. No bragging rights for that. God mode and no traps. :p
livid zealot
heat & extreme measures are endgame mechanics i presume? 🙂
pure karma
Yeah
humble jewel
yepp
livid zealot
cool beans
humble jewel
extreme measures is a pact of punishment condition ... in case you wanted to increase the difficulty even more!
pure karma
Once you beat the final boss for the first time, you will unlock the pact of punishment. THere you can choose certain modifiers that make the game harder
humble jewel
it also allows you to grind for resources like titan blood and diamonds and ambrotia, though even without heat you can still do it ... it's just gonna take a few centuries.
pure karma
Cold Embrace actually usable
I thought the beams would slowly turn towards me, but they move at my speed
rapid forum
yes
fickle fox
I got my first clean sweep against him yesterday. I was pretty proud of that. 33-0.
pure karma
I just noticed you can't change companions between areas like you can with keepsakes
rapid forum
yep you can't
gray apex
Rip
high island
20% global crit chance is really good if you can keep it up.
rapid forum
pairs well with divine dash
high island
And Hunter's Mark.
pure karma
I can't keep it up so it;s useless to me
rapid forum
450 obols isn't useless 
high island
I can't keep it up so it;s useless to me
Try Malphon or Guan Yu with Divine Strike and Deadly Flourish.
pure karma
Funny you should say that
I was playing Demeter
But opposite stuff
Deadly strike/Divine Flourish
ebon thistle
Is there a good way to force the game to spawn boons from specific gods?
Outside of trinket, naturally
vapid narwhal
no natural way
pure karma
I have 44 Ambrosia and 4 Titan Blood. I have gotten all bonds but I have not maxed my companions.
Do you think I should convert it all to blood and max weapons?
vapid narwhal
aside of god keepsake, it's all RNG
ebon thistle
It kinda feels bad to spend 5+ runs trying to get Second Wave and the game just "Nope, you won't get enough boons today".
ebon thistle
I have 44 Ambrosia and 4 Titan Blood. I have gotten all bonds but I have not max...
I'd say no. Probably leveling at least two companions first is a better idea
ebon thistle
It takes only 10 ambrosia to max out a companion, still
Personally i like to max out all possible stuff before converting the rest
if only for completion sake
unless you have a specifc aspect you want to max RIGHT NOW
well, time to attemt to finish the bloody list again, wish me luck
vapid narwhal
max out batty at least
pure karma
I have maxed out Meg, Than and Bouldy
livid zealot
never get offered any duo boons even though i have multible possible combinations :/
ebon thistle
You running Gods Legacy?
Also, run began with exclusive access & purple side hastle in Tartarus 
FINALLY
got second wave before even leaving asphodel
thorny mirage
Also, run began with exclusive access & purple side hastle in Tartarus <:residen...
bro?
Nuts
rapid forum
got second wave before even leaving asphodel
mint coral
Also, run began with exclusive access & purple side hastle in Tartarus <:residen...
Rip epic rush delivery
rapid forum
it's good if you can get it at tartarus
ebon thistle
Sorry, cant hear you over the sound of all the money im making
thorny mirage
Alright so we blocking pancake now
reef zodiac
Why
thorny mirage
Heretic
reef zodiac
You obsessed with gold or something?
thorny mirage
Yes
ebon thistle
Yes
reef zodiac
You’d rather have a medium quantity of gold over extra dashes or hyper sprint?
Or dodge chance?
mint coral
They still can get greatest reflex, not much problem lol
reef zodiac
Or rush delivery which literally can double your damage
reef zodiac
They still can get greatest reflex, not much problem lol
Their odds have just been cut in half
ebon thistle
Also got purple greater reflexes because 5 dashes is just enough
reef zodiac
I’ll take side hustle if I have to but I’ll hope to sell it
If I can sell it in Tartarus then it’s not too bad I guess
ebon thistle
That sounds like the definition of bad investment
rapid forum
I don't see a reason to sell it, you'll eventually get more money if you keep it than when you sold it. And with that money, you can buy more boons, you can get hyper sprint.
unless you're doing boonless run
ebon thistle
Purple side hasstle sells for 140, you get as much from asphodel if not more
With white
reef zodiac
If I sell it in Tartarus then I will still get 2 Hermès boons in the rest of the run. If I sell it in Asphodel then I might not necessarily. If I sell it in Elysium then I’m pretty sure that doesn’t even help me
ebon thistle
I mean you get whatever you could find in shops
reef zodiac
?
ebon thistle
Which is like 4+ boons and misc like centaur hearts across the run
reef zodiac
Ok well you can buy a few extra boons, and I’ll get hyper delivery for +50-100% damage
ebon thistle
Doesnt hyper delivery requires extra movespeed boon aswell?
reef zodiac
Hyper Sprint, Rush Delivery
rapid forum
well RNG is not kind enough to give me hyper delivery every time.... I'll take anything I can get 
reef zodiac
I’ll take whatever I’m stuck with, but I’ll look to sell that as fast as possible so I can hopefully get a replacement
ebon thistle
Ehhh, hyper delivery is just damage
Boons also have utility and stuff
reef zodiac
Lmao bruh no
Two random boons will basically never do as much as hyper delivery. It’s literally so insanely strong
Have you ever had the combo?
An epic rush delivery literally doubles all of your damage sources
ebon thistle
Yes.
I still dont care about it
pure karma
Come on man, give me bad news
last I am missing for the proph...
I am tired of playing with plume
rapid forum
ayyyy
reef zodiac
Yes.
I still dont care about it
Ok. You can have your 300 gold, and I’ll have my 2x damage and my sub 8 minute speedrun times and my 45 heat clears 
pure karma
I picked plume and then thought "what is a weapon that moves and clears really fast"
Only choice was arthur
reef zodiac
Lmao
pure karma
Now I am too invested in plume
reef zodiac
I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that
reef zodiac
300? How pretty sure it goes 600+ my dude
No. Not unless you’re doing every Styx passageway
And why would you clear every Styx passageway?? 
ebon thistle
Why would i not if i have side hustle?
reef zodiac
pure karma
Man I wish discord would really hide blocked users
reef zodiac
Not my fault you keep clicking on the blocked message to see what it is 
thorny mirage
mfw
also why would you go arthur for plume
Instead of fists for more dodge chance
Go allllllllll in
pure karma
Yeah I dunno
rose fox
Thats what I do. Unga zag/plume fist go brrr.
reef zodiac
Why would i **not** if i have side hustle?
Personally I like entering Hades fight with health (assuming you don’t have LC4). And I also like fast clear times (especially with TD3 which I always use). I also like not risking death in stupidly long and overcrowded giant Styx rooms (especially with Jury Summons). I also don’t really care about buying a single additional pom at best (especially if you have Convenience Fee).
reef zodiac
But hey, if you like risking your life and giving up your ability for a fast clear and your ability to enter the Hades fight with full or nearly full health, for a single boon or Pom, then I guess be my guest
pure karma
People keep telling me to use DD in low heat but I still like SD more
ebon thistle
Isnt that the opposite?
reef zodiac
People keep telling me to use DD in low heat but I still like SD more
Being able to take ~500 damage to Hades instead of ~160 is the main difference
If you have trouble with Hades, you want DD
ebon thistle
Oh wait on LOW heat.
Pretty sure its barely matters then.
reef zodiac
Yeah kinda
But DD is definitely better if you die to Hades
Because you can enter the fight with 2 or 3 DDs and tank way more damage than you would otherwise
The only time SD becomes a good idea is at 32+ heat when normal rooms become hard and you also want to do LC4
reef zodiac
I guess
rapid forum
but I wouldn't count on them
reef zodiac
Yeah
ebon thistle
Man second wave + breaking waves is some advanced memes in temple of styx
Actual ping-pong
reef zodiac
Ping pong but you don’t have to hit the ball, it just bounces back and forth on it’s own
ebon thistle
Is that the one that requires poseidon aid?
pure karma
Yes
reef zodiac
Rip Current seems to be the most elusive boon in the game
mint coral
Smoldering air poseidon aid with rip current sounds fun
reef zodiac
It is
ebon thistle
Took me 160+ runs to get Second Wave tho
reef zodiac
Actually it’s literally run carrying
Especially if you can Pom the rip current
I would know, it’s carried multiple 40 heat runs for me
mint coral
I love that is pommable
reef zodiac
Yeah it’s absurd
ebon thistle
is there extra voicelines for finishing list of prophecies?
pure karma
Phalanx Shot doesn't work as well as I expected with Hera
ebon thistle
Yea, i was dissappointed too
mint coral
Get parting shot, is fun backstabbing from the front
ebon thistle
Parting shot + athena attack / special + exposed
thorny mirage
yeah athena cast is weirdly broken
mint coral
At least is not than summon backstabbing lvls
thorny mirage
pom rip current
mint coral
Pom that rip current 
burnt breach
is there extra voicelines for finishing list of prophecies?
nyx does
ebon thistle
Nice
gotta say i think Supergiants overdid it a bit with late game stuff
25k darkness seems like warframe-level commitment
thorny mirage
that’s literally just cosmetic stuff and it’s meant for you to still have smth to work towards
reef zodiac
25k darkness seems like warframe-level commitment
25K? To be an unseen one you need 325K darkness
void vigil
there is a theme that costs 25k
reef zodiac
Yeah I know
burnt breach
what about the badges lol
high island
Reconnecting Lady Nyx and Master Chaos cost 8888 Darkness at one point lol.
reef zodiac
what about the badges lol
Right that costs 325,000
burnt breach
yeah pretty crazy
pseudo osprey
yay!!!! thanks sm
burnt breach
@pseudo osprey the modding discord's invite is pinned in #self-promotion
pseudo osprey
<@!255092938529439745> the modding discord's invite is pinned in <#5051648733287...
funky funky ok
pure karma
Elysium boss
have fun
I wonder what was the thought process for Harpy Feather Duster
lone kernel
Need a way to destroy enemy magic and trap cards 
brisk trail
Is aspect of guan you a good aspect
gray apex
Is aspect of guan you a good aspect
It’s a good aspect but requires some experience to use due to the low health pool, and the dmg does fall off quite rapidly unless you have the Charged Skewer hammer which is arguably the best for that aspect
pure karma
I find it terrible and I only used it once to reach Hades for the prophecy
brisk trail
I literally need it for other aspect
so...
wise oasis
You don't need to buy it
lone kernel
It’s good with charged skewer
wise oasis
Just have it awakened
lone kernel
But the health penalty is really steep imo
reef zodiac
Guan Yu is not quite as bad as I used to think it was
Serrated Point is also pretty good for Guan Yu
But yeah it’s not good at all
reef zodiac
Yeah splitting bolt is good at worst and run carrying at best
Definitely the best legendary in my opinion
vernal obsidian
There will be no more updates right ?
pure karma
No achievement for completing all prophecies ?
or am I missing one
Literally got Rip Current on some random run after I got Poseidon's call
Like next room
thorny mirage
There will be no more updates right ?
I mean I’m pretty sure they’ll still update the game
lunar orchid
i just had a crazy splashy lightning run
i could barely even see what was happening towards the end
ive never really used the shield that throws out a spinny thing
loitering lighting maker
pure karma
I love Sea Storm
lunar orchid
ya its my fav
esp with high voltage and double strike
i recorded the end i think
its basically just a ball of white light
pure karma
I wonder if Rip Current still counts as a knock back
lunar orchid
whats rip current?
pure karma
It's a Poseidon boon that makes his Call suck enemies in instead of knocking them back
It;s amazing
spare tiger
Can you get Greater Reflex with Enkidu claws?
reef zodiac
Yes?
obtuse whale
is trading ambrosia for blood a smart choice?
pure karma
If you have no use for Ambrosia anymore yes
obtuse whale
oops
pure karma
I mean, Ambrosia is needed for bonds, which are just story for the most part and upgrading Companions
pure karma
obtuse whale
oh no
pure karma
gg
pure karma
Murphy's law
mint coral
Ap1 moment
placid anchor
is it worth trading ambrosia for titan blood at the shop?
reef zodiac
Someone else just asked this exact question 20 minutes ago
split owl
Is anyone else experience persistent save files? I've deleted my old save file three or four times now and it keeps coming back.
thorny mirage
Is the codex where I would look to see my standing with people ?
Yep
placid anchor
I see, anybody I should focus on first?
and is it just giving them a bunch of nectar then moving to ambrosias?
placid anchor
ah 😐
another question: I see people here mentioning "high heat", what does that mean?
gentle mason
Is anyone else experience persistent save files? I've deleted my old save file t...
I believe that if you don't create a new saved game to replace it, the game refuses to fully delete the old one. It is designed around avoiding accidental deletions.
thorny mirage
another question: I see people here mentioning "high heat", what does that mean?
referring usually to 40 heat or above
If you don’t know what heat is you haven’t finished a run yet
hearty sierra
I see, anybody I should focus on first?
If you can handle metagaming a bit, then go for Meg to get her companion
Makes boss fights quite a bit easier
placid anchor
I'm not friendly with her yet
pure karma
Is anyone else experience persistent save files? I've deleted my old save file t...
Steam cloud?
reef zodiac
Meg companion is very good
placid anchor
Or better yet, she is not friendly with me
split owl
XBox One.
hearty sierra
Mmh just keep gifting nectar and keep fighter her
pure karma
referring usually to 40 heat or above
Oh god
hearty sierra
She warms up sooner or later, you two are exes
pure karma
I thought My 20 heat runs were high-ish
placid anchor
I don't think I have the option to give her nectars, maybe I overlooked
hearty sierra
DW 20 heat is where SGG expects normal players to play at
placid anchor
btw with which heat condition would you recommend I start anew ?
hearty sierra
That's why bounty rrwards only go to 20
hearty sierra
btw with which heat condition would you recommend I start anew ?
0 heat, then 1 heat
Tight Deadline 1, the last pact option
split owl
I always turn Tight Deadline on just to avoid the survival encounters. lol
hearty sierra
You have 9 minutes per biome (4 biomes - tartarus, asphodel, elysium, styx)
Total of 36 minutes to escape
reef zodiac
TD1 is literally free heat
hearty sierra
Shouldn't even bother you
placid anchor
hmm that's doable I guess
jade zenith
the game has a statue for 32 heat so that is usually where the high heat channel starts from but if the devs give us the pact then we are going to use the entire pact
hearty sierra
TD1 is literally free heat
Once again, anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much
split owl
My highest time was 30 minutes only because I went through every possible room I could when I knew I wouldn't face the boss in the next room.
reef zodiac
Tight Deadline is the only pact that I would say can be literally free
hearty sierra
Just because you're good at the game doesn't let you demean achievements
reef zodiac
I’m not demeaning achievements?
placid anchor
btw, when I have no heat conditions applied, I see that my bow is only missing styx to get a bounty
reef zodiac
I’m saying that it’s a good idea for your first heat
placid anchor
when I add a condition, it resets for all realms
hearty sierra
btw, when I have no heat conditions applied, I see that my bow is only missing s...
Yeah, which means you haven't beaten Dad with the bow
placid anchor
so should I first clear it with 0 heat?
hearty sierra
Yep
placid anchor
gotcha
hearty sierra
You have to clear it with 0 before you can get the rewards for 1 heat
placid anchor
ok good to know, thanks!
split owl
I still haven't cleared a run with the bow. It's the hardest weapon to control for me.
reef zodiac
Have you tried Chiron?
It’s good for people who are inexperienced or uncomfortable with the bow’s mechanics
hearty sierra
A cheesy strat can be Ares on special and buff ares boons
reef zodiac
For zag bow?
hearty sierra
You can point in your enemies' general direction, fire, and dodge until Doom triggers
reef zodiac
Eh maybe. I’m no expert on cheese strategies
thorny mirage
or get merciful end
thorny mirage
yeah
pure karma
ME with bow will be clunky to no end for a newer player lol
hearty sierra
Could work, ngl
thorny mirage
for some trolling
hearty sierra
But I agree, ME is more of an intermediate player thing
Needs to get dash-strike timing down pat first
hearty sierra
I still haven't cleared a run with the bow. It's the hardest weapon to control f...
I digress, though
You'll get there!
reef zodiac
I would not advise ME on bow if you’re new to bow
It’s harder than just learning to power shot
hearty sierra
The bow is a rewarding weapon when you learn how to dash-strike well
thorny mirage
I would not advise ME on bow if you’re new to bow <:dusa:522248771409543188>
It...
Sad
reef zodiac
Especially since the payoff isn’t even very good for ME bow
thorny mirage
blocked
pure karma
The bow is a rewarding weapon when you learn how to dash-strike well
Yes. I have now learned how to power shot consistently with Rama and I feel good
Rama backstabs are the best thing in this game
I am gonna try 40 heat
boreal gale
Wow I haven't played hades in a hot minute. There been any updates as of recently?
raw herald
Not really
reef zodiac
I am gonna try 40 heat
40 heat is a lot. Good luck, and if you want help with your pact you can ask #h1-high-heat-strategies for help. The only unsolicited advice I’ll offer is to avoid EM4, AP, RI, or CP.
chrome wharf
there's some localization fixes which doesn't affect anything in english
placid anchor
how to unlock aspects that are hidden? (I want aspect of lucifer for example, do I need to unlock all the others to see it?)
last veldt
Rama backstabs are the best thing in this game
So the backstab damage applies to shared damage? Hadn't realised that. Nice!
pure karma
I am not sure about that
pure karma
how to unlock aspects that are hidden? (I want aspect of lucifer for example, do...
You have to unlock Guan Yu before you unlock any other hidden aspects.
After that, you need to invest 5 blood on the weapon (any aspects) and then you will hear a piece of dialogue from some NPC
Man 40 heat is hard
obtuse whale
Is there an option to lower (not toggle off) god mode's dmg reduction percentage? i just noticed that I got too used to the 80% dmg reduction and I wanna lower it gradually because.. it's a big gap
strong ridge
maybe u turn on hard labor bit by bit
obtuse whale
oh that makes sense
strong ridge
ya
strong ridge
np
it’s cool how hades makes a comment on if u r out of time on TD
while fighting him
brisk trail
He did write the pacts
strong ridge
i mean n battle
brisk trail
Yeah but I mean it makes sense he'd be aware
strong ridge
thats not what i was saying but ya
manic bobcat
It would be cool flavor text
The same way it's always hilarious when you use Hades call against him
FATHER!
SON!
Father!
I'm right here.
strong ridge
i get what youre saying but i dont get what you said
mint coral
lightning rod is comfy to use with crush shot, this is fun
deft remnant
what does aquarium, shortcut and bat cage do?
reef zodiac
You could Google it
mint coral
what does aquarium, shortcut and bat cage do?
shows amount of fishes collected, small shorcut to the lounge before seeing dad in the house, bat view of the house
deft remnant
google is so unreliable
it said i need 12 lounge upgrades to get favor with dusa
now it says i need A place of revelry, which is every upgrade?
do i need aquarium, shortcut and bat cage
?
void vigil
it is not every item
the wiki says this - Purchase the following Lounge items:
Service, Deep Cleaning
Service, Detailing
any rug
Any other items x 10
the rug is included in the other items i believe, so thats 12. or 13 if its not
reef zodiac
RNG 
mint coral
why did poseidon dash just did 100 damage ch1 , chamber 2 is back to 64 damage
thorny mirage
sad
raw herald
why did poseidon dash just did 100 damage ch1 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>, cham...
In c1 fiery presence applies to dash
You had epic dash, high confidence and family favourites, which is an extra 105%
mint coral
why does that happens
raw herald
Good question
I think it might apply to cast but I'm not sure
And call
For some reason
mint coral
never stop surprising me hades: the game
twin thistle
when fish in greece and press button but game doesnt register
main stratus
Literally just happened to me 
manic bobcat
never happened to me 😎
mint coral
finally got to test smoldering air + poseidon aid with rip current, this is fun
pure karma
Is Rush kick bad for demeter?
Rush Kick and Kinetic Launcher are the choices
I hate Kinetic Launcher
raw herald
Kinetic is very good if you haven't got ME yet
pure karma
I am playing with Zeus
I am not going for ME
Which I probably should have done damn
What does Rush Kick do to Demeter? Does it hit multiple times too?
raw herald
Yep
high island
I think Lightning Strike is a much better start for high heat.
pure karma
So launcher or rush kick
high island
Kinetic Launcher.
high island
I wouldn't except for very niche situations.
pure karma
Like Hades doing his triple lazer thing and his back is wide open and I show him what a backstab is?
I am really not used to FO2
high island
Mainly just when new enemies spawn if you can time it well.
pure karma
Skulls and Louts decimate me
high island
It's just gonna come down to practice.
high island
Casts can interrupt armored louts
Not if they're armored, though.
raw herald
Hmm
high island
You're probably just knocking them back or deflecting them or something?
high island
That's gonna be easier than Malphon.
pure karma
What about Rama?
high island
Same.
high island
I guess #h1-high-heat-strategies turned into UnholyPancake arguing with the HS meta, so we're discussing your run here now. 
manic bobcat
a sense of pride nd accomplisment
high island
Is there anything you get for beating charon
Yes. For that run.
dry stump
Yes. For that run.
What do you get
high island
There's also a minor prophecy for defeating him twice in a row. (Doesn't need to be on the very next run.)
manic bobcat
you get 300 gold and 20% discount on all shop items
dry stump
Is he even hard compared to other bosses
brisk trail
depends when u do him
manic bobcat
Is he even hard compared to other bosses
his strength is static, so he can be hard in Tartarus and get easier later on
dry stump
Oh ok
high island
@pure karma you could try swapping to CF1 JS1 or CF2 JS0 if you were using my pact and want to keep trying witih Malphon. That should make the normal encounters quite a bit easier. If you're using Eris or Rama, we can take EM3 and change the pact a bit to make it easier.
manic bobcat
but of course the flip side is the earlier you get him, the more often you can use the discount
it's a balancing act
high island
HL5 LC4 CF1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS DC2 TD3 should be a decent pact for Rama. For Eris, you'd want to swap out DC2 for AP1 instead, probably, because DC2 hurts Eris's damage from the Special a lot... but DC2 is manageable on Eris.
high island
Nicely done!
dusky wedge
Felt like a burden off my shoulders
dusky wedge
Is it a fresh file hell mode?
twin thistle
nah reg file
well killed it already eithout taking any damage
but like whats with all these tiny vermins
dusky wedge
Is he even hard compared to other bosses
Very hard on Tartarus most of the time, less much farther down the run
Well, now all that’s left for me is getting all the badges from the Resource Director
After that, idk
livid zealot
somehow the bone hydra learned new abilities and spewed some annoying mobs 🙂
slim marsh
Lernie
marsh rivet
a sense of pride nd accomplisment
Lol, this is still mostly the correct answer though, since 90% of the time you see Charon you're also skipping a miniboss boon
placid anchor
does pierced butterfly buff stay if I change it mid run?
high island
No.
placid anchor
ah :[
pure karma
<@!694146523746926624> you could try swapping to CF1 JS1 or CF2 JS0 if you were ...
Thanks for helping. I will try again tomorrow. 6 attempts, got out of Tartarus once.
high island
Nice! 40 Heat is definitely gonna take practice.
marsh rivet
It's bad for everyone, no worries. Takes effort to relearn the game
high island
That's why we usually recommend to take FO2 very early when people say they want to eventually get into high heat.
pure karma
Should have done that
marsh rivet
Better now than later :3
pure karma
TD3 is also kinda problematic
marsh rivet
TD3 is a problem solvable by improving your base mechanics
I wouldn't try to go fast until you can... go
pure karma
I have managed to do a few runs at 32 heat with TD 3. But at 40 heat it becomes a real problem
high island
You can do some practice runs with just EM3 FO2 TD3. That might be good.
And probably leave on HS.
pure karma
Oh yeah HS definitely made me more aware of my surroundings
But I like it
It makes me more accurate
marsh rivet
HS is perfectly reasonable until you turn EM4 on, at which point you feel the 1 heat in all of its hotness
high island
Yeah. Problem with playing without HS is you don't need to respect traps at all.
pure karma
I am not gonna turn EM4 on. I have done it 3 times, won all 3, but it was like, 10 heat
I feel like that the biggest problems for me personally when I reach it will be Styx. Those Satyrs with FO2...
marsh rivet
Fwiw, same kind of logic applies to EM4 as it does FO2 lol. I'm actually not sure which is harder to learn. Certainly do not learn them at the same time though LOL
pure karma
And I am gonna assume the poison is considered a trap?
marsh rivet
(the earlier the better)
high island
EM3 FO2 will probably be your biggest problem.
marsh rivet
Poison is not a trap
pure karma
I can already feel the Bull doing 0-100 faster than a Tesla
high island
Poison from enemies is affected by HL, though.
marsh rivet
The charge is scary but manageable. The real fear is the triple beam things he releases on landing which with FO2 are unreactable from certain angles
high island
Or maybe it's only affected by FO? I don't really know the last time I died to poison tbh.
pure karma
Poison is 1 damage per second normally isnt it?
marsh rivet
Per stack
reef zodiac
No it’s definitely more than one tick per second. But it’s 1 damage per tick (until it increase to 2 and so on)
marsh rivet
And I think it ticks 2/sec if it works like hangover
pure karma
I hope HS doesn't affect it
reef zodiac
It doesn’t
high island
If you get poisoned, just pause the game immediately and think about your next move.
marsh rivet
HS for sure doesn't, HL I am not sure
modern garnet
Poison stacks i think. You can get poisoned 5 times and then you'll be taking 5dps
marsh rivet
If poison is killing you a lot you can also considering taking Spearpoint over Acorn into Styx
reef zodiac
I wouldn’t personally suggest that
marsh rivet
If you get poisoned, just pause the game immediately and think about your next m...
<- though this is probably honestly the best option. Poison really isn't that big of a deal if you don't freak out and do random stuff
high island
m fairly confident HL affects poison from enemies. Would I bet my life on it? No. Would I bet UnholyPancake's life on it? ...probably.
reef zodiac
But yeah if you’re stacked on health and DDs and are great at the Hades fight but are terrified of poison, you could definitely do worse than spearpoint
marsh rivet
spearpoint is a lot worse for normal dad but it's not like, the actual worst
reef zodiac
Yeah exactly
marsh rivet
It gets to be a lot more valid if you have EM4, where Spearpoint has a lot closer to comparable EV to Acorn. Wildly dependent on summons ofc
reef zodiac
Only because Acorn does less, and not really because spearpoint does more. Because if you’re getting hit by Hades twice in a row in any other phase… uhh
high island
Anyway, if you practice EM3 FO2 TD3, you should be fine in Satyr tunnels. The minichambers are easy, and you're most likely only gonna have to do the 1-2 minibosses before you find the sack in the second or third tunnel.
Minibosses are very predictable.
marsh rivet
Hot take I wish Tiny Vermin happened more often so I could actually practice against it in normal runs without making a save
high island
The poison from the big rats can be a problem on melee if you don't have experience. I think the #1 mistake I see is people rushing right into the rats and getting poisoned instead of just waiting and kiting them away from the poison.
pure karma
Watching a 53 heat run from Haelian. 2020. Has chaos aspect sheild been nerfed or smth?
oak gull
you either burst them so hard that the poison doesn't have time to take or you smash and dash
reef zodiac
Hot take I wish Tiny Vermin happened more often so I could actually practice aga...
Hot take: God no 
high island
Yes. It's been nerfed.
marsh rivet
Watching a 53 heat run from Haelian. 2020. Has chaos aspect sheild been nerfed o...
A lot. A lot
pure karma
A lot. A *lot*
Makes sense. It seemed weak when I tried it.
reef zodiac
What changed about it? I don’t know what it was like then
high island
Why would you bring up that run where he beat my WR?
marsh rivet
It's still a shield, so it's still fine, but yeah
high island
pure karma
Sry
high island
reef zodiac
marsh rivet
What changed about it? I don’t know what it was like then
It emanated from you in a starfish pattern, the maximum range was longer, and it used to ricochet more consistently
pure karma
What was the nerf exactly?
lone kernel
beat his back
reef zodiac
Wait it hit all sides of you? That’s weird
marsh rivet
The net result was if you pressed special after a bull rush, every enemy on the screen would be tagged by a shield at the same time
Slight exaggeration
Only slight
pure karma
So I assume they just removed any extra properties from the echo shields or smmth?
And now only the main shield has more stuff?
reef zodiac
That definitely sounds pretty funny
marsh rivet
It emanated from you in a starfish pattern, the maximum range was longer, and it...
These were the nerfs
It's in a cone now, they don't really ricochet anymore, and the range is shorter
marsh rivet
That was the reason for the nerf LOL. Pre-nerf, if someone went to #h1-high-heat-strategies, asking for help for the 32 heat statue, the correct answer for fastest results was Chaos Aspect
pure karma
Real talk though, I am happy with where I am with ~200 runs
marsh rivet
Now it's great, the correct answer is whatever you want, chase your bliss
and/or Eris
pure karma
I am gonna try Lucifer tomorrow at 40 heat
I need to find more recent high heat runs to watch
marsh rivet
Lol, "noobs like me" + "try Lucifer at 40 heat" seem mutually exclusive. The fact you want to try it probably means you're not a noob
The spreadsheet in #h1-high-heat-strategies has like, hundreds
pure karma
the really high ones are on some chinese website that pinged my script blocker 53 times last time I went in
high island
Leaderboard. It's a leaderboard.
marsh rivet
Wtf lol, I feel like last time I said leaderboard you got on my nuts for calling it that
high island
It was Krashercorr who kept insisting his leaderboard wasn't a leaderboard, just a list of runs... sorted by heat... like a leaderboard...
marsh rivet
"it's a showcase"
reef zodiac
marsh rivet
Rama a popular aspect, lots of people can help with that too if you want very specific advice about something.
reef zodiac
I’m a big fan of Rama
pure karma
I just like it very much
Both the special and attack are great
You can like build both of them at the same time to be good
reef zodiac
Some of my favorite things about Rama are:
• Power-shotting for 800+ in chamber 3
• Being happy with seeing basically any god since Aphrodite and Artemis are great for my attack, Ares, Dionysus, Demeter, and Zeus are great for my special, and Poseidon and Athena are great for my call or dash (ofc other calls are also great for the call, namely Zeus).
marsh rivet
Space fox privilege
high island
I have faster reactions. 
reef zodiac
Do you
high island
I do.
marsh rivet
Yeah, probably. Tail just positions well enough so he doesn't have to react as much.
You really don't want to have to react at high heat lol. It's better to know ahead of time you're good no matter what
high island
Do you <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12_2L5sZGreuR-1MElSpPiVK6893SIq_oXp8AelLVvco/edit?usp=sharing
reef zodiac
Oh
marsh rivet
(she was being literal, yes)
reef zodiac
So it would seem
marsh rivet
Yeah I just got 213, so at least the number there is accurate lol
high island
I am at 249 <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Congratulations on 25th place.
high island
Yeah I just got 213, so at least the number there is accurate lol
Updated.
pure karma
So you people are not human right?
reef zodiac
high island
See, my reactions are so fast that you saw the number on the leaderboard, told me what your new record was, and I updated the number before you saw it.
pure karma
Wait so FOx Hope is Tailesque?
marsh rivet
We have a lot of foxes
gray apex
i suck at this
marsh rivet
You are mid Fox tier @pure karma
high island
So you people are not human right?
m a catgirl.
reef zodiac
We have a lot of foxes
Best thing about the Hades community
chrome wharf
lmao 284 over average of 5 tries
marsh rivet
As long as you can perfect catch fish you're less than 300ms so there's that
high island
lmao 284 over average of 5 tries
Congratulations on 27th place!
marsh rivet
Though there's a small element of prediction on the fish thing
chrome wharf
I'm honored
reef zodiac
As long as you can perfect catch fish you're less than 300ms so there's that
I only can when it’s already bobbed 3 times
Although tbf I don’t fish very often so I don’t have any practice
pure karma
"While an average human reaction time may fall between 200-250ms, your computer could be adding 10-50ms on top."
scammed]
I demand a rematch
raw herald
I got 0.01
reef zodiac
Woah no way
reef zodiac
Lmao
chrome wharf
though I feel that, at least for FO0, it's more of timing a second beat than reaction time
high island
Average gamers have a better reaction time than the average person, anyway.
pure karma
I am Greek, so I am a descendant of the Olympians. It's the closest thing you are gonna get.
gray apex
What did you get?
202
marsh rivet
Nope, guess I'm not beating 213 lol. I peaked
high island
No. No, I don't think so. Lady Aphrodite is Lady Aphrodite. No one else comes close.
pure karma
Ares
raw herald
After trying on both mobile and PC, I can definitely say that mobile users have a handicap
pure karma
There is a joke somewhere there
raw herald
Couldn't get below 300 on mobile
pure karma
But I am too afraid to explore
high island
Yeah, phone displays tend to have terrible display lag and probably input lag lol.
marsh rivet
Couldn't get below 300 on mobile <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
It could be that it's set to press on button release instead of button down
reef zodiac
I also probably takes longer to tap the screen than to click on a mouse
marsh rivet
Which is common on a touchscreen
gray apex
Lol
marsh rivet
"some heat" is the space between any heat and high heat :3
pure karma
Oh hey I am in then
reef zodiac
I unfortunately wasn’t able to record my full run
pure karma
I have 100% done between 0 heat and some non-zero heat
reef zodiac
I ordered an HDMI splitter that should allow me to record runs in the future. It arrives Thursday
high island
I unfortunately wasn’t able to record my full run
You can submit the victory screen and add the video link in the notes for that if you have any recording at all.
pure karma
I am not gonna believe any victory screens
reef zodiac
I have the last 30 seconds of my Hades fight
high island
I am not gonna believe any victory screens <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
That's why they're not on the main leaderboard. But we have a sheet for runs that only have a victory screen.
reef zodiac
I also have a screenshot of myself right as the fight was starting with my inventory open
pure karma
I am jk though
reef zodiac
In case I died, I wanted the ss as proof that I was so close
Still, none of that proves that I didn’t just give myself that stuff and put myself right into that fight. Obviously it’s not the same as a recording
marsh rivet
only have to prove it to yourself lol
reef zodiac
Very true
pure karma
I think I am gonna continue my hell mode file
reef zodiac
Also, it’s 50 heat not some kinda of world record. Anyone here who has been here through my journey has no reason to not believe me
pure karma
Seeing that missing heat triggers me
reef zodiac
But it’s also not fit to go on the main leaderboard for obvious reasons
marsh rivet
Also, it’s 50 heat not some kinda of world record. Anyone here who has been here...
It's not really like "oh noes we don't believe you" lol, it's more "... lol what could you possibly have to gain from lying, people sending you nectar emotes?"
pure karma
It's not really like "oh noes we don't believe you" lol, it's more "... lol what...
People lie about their karma on reddit
People want attention
People cheat achievements with steam manager
reef zodiac
There was someone on this server who tried to claim they did 50 heat (it might have been less or more, I don’t remember)
It was pretty funny
high island
@reef zodiac oh noes we don't believe you.
reef zodiac
marsh rivet
We will all remember 3x 62 heat guy who is still at work to this day
reef zodiac
But yeah the only time I’ll ask for proof is if I don’t know someone or have any reason to trust them, and if they are being obnoxious about their win
marsh rivet
One day he'll get home to send us screenshots
reef zodiac
LMAO
marsh rivet
i wonder if I can still not stream without streamlabs bluescreening me...
idk if I have the will to derust again (again again) but yeah
reef zodiac
marsh rivet
sussy baka
high island
Keep in mind that I have a monitor with very low display lag. Add 20ms to my time if I used a bad monitor and I would only be 5th.
crude surge
But yeah the only time I’ll ask for proof is if I don’t know someone or have any...
But what if they don’t come home from work? 
pure karma
Tailesque did smth I had never considered
high island
We will all remember 3x 62 heat guy who is *still* at work to this day
Didn't that person also not know about Hell mode?
marsh rivet
Also claimed it was on Malphon so yeah
high island
I believe you.
pure karma
Thank you
reef zodiac
Tailesque did smth I had never considered
Beat 60 heat unseeded?
high island
Gonna ping you anytime somebody asks for help with Stygian. That's the axe, right?
high island
People were beating 64 Heat unseeded with it left and right, so they removed it.
pure karma
Makes sense
reef zodiac
Understandable
pure karma
I really need to watch a video to understand what routed/seeded/unseeded mean exactly
reef zodiac
This video is amazing because it’s just impressive but also you get a bit of an understanding of the weird stuff involved in routed runs
high island
Unseeded is just any run that you would normally play. Seeded means you "Give Up" to replay the same seed until you win. Routed means you replay the same seed and take specific actions in a way to ensure you keep seeing the same boons and rooms etc. every time, and you can manipulate the RNG in a way that you get exactly what you want.
spare tiger
Unseeded is just any run that you would normally play. Seeded means you "Give Up...
Seeded could also be that one Debug mod I've seen floating around that also lets you test boons in Skelly's room
high island
For the purposes of the leaderboards, unseeded requires that you show your previous death in the video to prove that the seed is random. Any run without video proof of that is considered seeded.
pure karma
so how do you manipulate things with a routed run
raw herald
Casting, summoning, basically everything tbh
high island
Outside of encounters, that is.
pure karma
So what, you get let's say a hammer. It;s bad
you give up
you cast
it;s different now?
high island
reef zodiac
it;s different now?
Not exactly
high island
Yeah, I don't do routed at all. Not interested.
marsh rivet
Sometimes I do a couple of lucky routing casts or summons at the end of a room
For value
reef zodiac
Yeah I do that
high island
Cheetahs.
pure karma
I wonder if it's possible to do 64 unseeded no hit including acorn
marsh rivet
baj got to chamber 34 at 64 unseeded iirc
marsh rivet
then died to timer
chrome wharf
wait till someone does 64 unseeded in the first place, then worry about it
reef zodiac
Baj was attempting 64 unseeded before doing 61 unseeded?
raw herald
Was for the April fools challenge
marsh rivet
yeah there was a challenge
humble jewel
you know what would be super cool. A weapon aspect that let's you put 1 addition god on attack and spec. That'd be so omg.
bright reef
I have slicing shot, vicious cycle, engulfing vortex, and hunting blades
Is that good?
And that's just my ares boons
reef zodiac
What weapon?
bright reef
Gun
reef zodiac
Why cast build on rail?
reef zodiac
Well it’s fine I guess
jade zenith
if that is what you get offered then go for it
bright reef
I also have Athena's dash, call and blinding flash
reef zodiac
But aspects like Achilles will give you a +150% damage bonus on your cast
bright reef
And quick recovery
reef zodiac
True, but cast is one of the worse Eris builds
mint coral
eris is for lightning rod
humble jewel
epic
marsh rivet
memes
jade zenith
you lose a random hammer upgrade and gain 2 random ones
bright reef
Oh
jade zenith
I wouldn't get it unless your current hammers are both horrible (or one of them is horrible and you need to take the gamble for some reason)
humble jewel
every gambler knows, that the secret to surviving, is knowing what to throw away, and knowing what to keep.
remote pebble
just one more run/gamble
bright reef
I lost to final boss 
remote pebble
you'll get him next time 😉
manic bobcat
I lost to final boss <:gilmanangst:456913427219087379>
is he really the final boss if you keep having to defeat him over and over again?
humble jewel
yepp. You can always make him harder, though.
manic bobcat
Is this a Sisyphean task, rolling the boulder uphill only to watch it coming back down? Are you forever doomed in this cycle, so close to escaping and yet so far?
Somehow, we find joy in this process, despite the futility and absurdity. To quote the old philosopher Albert Camus, "one must imagine Sisyphus Zagreus happy."
remote pebble
eventually, you'll stop; and he'll still likely be the last boss you fought in the game
humble jewel
there's a mod called climb of Sisifus
or I guess Sisyphus... that's how you spell him. lol. Maybe
thorny mirage
@reef zodiac good job!
where am I on the list
reef zodiac
eventually, you'll stop; and he'll still likely be the last boss you fought in t...
No. The run that causes me to quit for good would definitely be a death to Lernie
reef zodiac
<@738544446747967599> good job!
~~where am I on the list~~
THANK YOU! 
uhhh… yeah I guess you belong on that list, hold on
Fixed
thorny mirage
based
bright reef
I'm in Elysium and I can either go do Charon or duo god chamber
Ares and Athena
Is the duo chamber worth it?
earnest dagger
whats ur current build
bright reef
Uh
Curse of agony, divine dash, frost flourish, stubborn roots, after party, holy shield, frozen touch
earnest dagger
I'd go for the duo to thin out the pool for merciful end
bright reef
What's merciful end
thorny mirage
honestly charon
also they can’t get merciful end
me doesn’t get offered with the dash
thorny mirage
What's merciful end
Your deflect boons automatically proc doom effects
thorny mirage
duo boon
bright reef
Okay then
thorny mirage
need ares and athena on either attack or special
reef zodiac
Is the duo chamber worth it?
Calling it a “duo chamber” sounds like a bit of a misnomer since it’s impossible to get a duo there
manic bobcat
you can get 2 boons so it's a duo room alright
reef zodiac
Hades quick tip: If you pick up a Hermes boon that you don’t really like from a Tartarus shop, you can sell it in the pool of purging and you’ll still get offered two more Hermes boons later in the run
whole comet
Curse of agony, divine dash, frost flourish, stubborn roots, after party, holy s...
if u have stubborn roots, feel u already win the game if u dun have Tight Deadline lol
bright reef
I don't have tight deadline
I'm in styx and I already have the satyr sack
Should I do the other three chambers
whole comet
tbh,
u could just burn away all DD
and drag the game length
and get back to max hp
what's ur max hp?
bright reef
175
whole comet
then i suggest avoid the room
bright reef
Ok
whole comet
BUT if u lose the DD during fight
and gets below 100
i recommend u just kite the boss around
and wait til u get full hp back
bright reef
I have quick recovery which I think goes well with it
whole comet
gl though, could still be rough with 175 hp
bright reef
Doesn't he do like 30 per hit
whole comet
40 dmg the spin attack
bright reef
Phase 1?
whole comet
oh sry, u're first time?>
bright reef
It's my second time fighting him
whole comet
then, i guess gl
bright reef
But I almost killed him last time
whole comet
oh ic
mint coral
if he hits you with the skulls he will do +100% damage until they come out of you
whole comet
phase 2 i suppose i could mean the minion phase
but yes, those fire skull
if you get hit, you would take double dmg from hades
bright reef
I didn't know that
whole comet
so spin attack goes to 80 lol
bright reef
At least I have divine dash
whole comet
if u got hit by skull, best run away lol
high island
Just gotta go in and practice tbh.
whole comet
but u have stubborn root, so u definitely could beat him easily
again, not a bad idea to kite him and wait for full hp when u get below 100
or if u do that at 50 hp, u could get hit and his spin and fire aura and lose
reef zodiac
Yeah who doesn’t love running in circles for over a minute straight
mint coral
this run feels like im on exclusive access lmao, every boon has been epic
reef zodiac
God’s Pride 
mint coral
first time god's pride isnt a scam
reef zodiac
Nearly every purple Hermes boon you ever got is thanks to god’s pride
remote pebble
lol
reef zodiac
Pool of Purging:
Deadly Strike
Heartbreak Flourish
Heart Rend
reef zodiac
Why is he getting up
whole comet
cause he's holding back since you're his son
reef zodiac
Wait until you see phase 3 
bright reef
This blows
whole comet
but i guess he felt like he doesn't need to anymore 😦
reef zodiac
Or phase 4 
bright reef
Does he have less hp?
reef zodiac
Or phase 5 
whole comet
no, same hp
bright reef
Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh
twin thistle
whole comet
didn't i warn u? play safe
twin thistle
i found another vermin
whole comet
and kite around at low hp
twin thistle
run 12 and 6 vermins
bright reef
I lost
mint coral
aphro legendary with guan yu is pretty fun, charming beyblade
bright reef
Wat
whole comet
one of his phase 2 attack
whole comet
i mean the one with 2 swing and 1 white line spin
twin thistle
lmao. tidal dash and rip current poseidon call makes vermin a pinball
high island
There's no triple spin in EM4.
whole comet
that one, if u take all dmg, it could add to 100
twin thistle
now if i had breaking wave
whole comet
i suppose more like swing than spin?
reef zodiac
Is epic swift flourish worth taking on Nemesis? I have dash nova
bright reef
I bought my 3rd death defiance yayyy
reef zodiac
Is epic swift flourish worth taking on Nemesis? I have dash nova
Ok I took it and the answer is a definite yes