h1-discussion

[heady cypress]

New file

[reef zodiac]

Ohhh

[heady cypress]

Didn't unlock the 3rd one yet

[thorny mirage]

should’ve just won smh my head

[reef zodiac]

Consider my questions answered

[heady cypress]

You got zoted for saying that

[reef zodiac]

You have been zoted

Take that Joker

I’m sure that’s the first time that you have ever been Zoted

[thorny mirage]

it’s not

[reef zodiac]

I know

[heady cypress]

Was anyone else disappointed after hearing "its still 7:48"

[chrome wharf]

yes

[heady cypress]

Btw

Does the table for the constructor have any effect?

Or is it just stylish

[pure karma]

mfw 319 hp out of asphodel

without arthur

[chrome wharf]

dropped a relevant comic in #fan-works

[reef zodiac]

I’ve done 270 out of Tartarus on Rama

[pure karma]

Did I say asphodel? I mean out of House

take that

[reef zodiac]

[chrome wharf]

gives you more stuff to buy. they cost diamonds though

[heady cypress]

I'll just get it then

[chrome wharf]

the stuffs are pretty good

[heady cypress]

Bought it without thinking too much on my first file

Oh so it unlocks THAT stuff

Way too expensive for me atm lol

[chrome wharf]

yeah

keys are a savior on RI + AP runs

[reef zodiac]

Rolls are always very good

But yeah especially when you start with 0

[heady cypress]

Did a 35 heat run to check the difficulty

Instant regret

Didn't make it to meg

[stoic flame]

F

[chrome wharf]

F
it takes some getting used to

[reef zodiac]

Also if you have a bad pact then it will be way harder than it needs to be

[forest falcon]

Doom works really nicely on rama on the special

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

It’s actually really good

[raw herald]

I've been liking Dio lately, especially with numbing sensation

But Demeter special into killing freeze is good too

[reef zodiac]

Dio, Demeter, Ares, and Zeus are all amazing

Zeus is still my favorite because Smoldering Air

[forest falcon]

rama is just really fun to play with tbh

[raw herald]

Yep

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s my favorite aspect

[raw herald]

Once you get power shot timing down it's great fun

[heady cypress]

I just clicked on every possible condition except for the time limit iirc

[reef zodiac]

What? That would be 57 heat not 35

[heady cypress]

But-

I don't have extreme measures for some reason

And smth else is missing too

[raw herald]

Personal liability

[mint coral]

routine inspection? ik that one doesnt appear until you unlock all the mirror

[heady cypress]

I have basically nothing on the mirror

Escaped fairly quick

I think-

[mint coral]

are you still missing some skills to unlock from the mirror? as in using the keys

[heady cypress]

Yes

[modern garnet]

Need to have seen every sister to get em1

[heady cypress]

My next upgrades cost 10keys

I only have the dd's basically

[mint coral]

thats a lot missing

[heady cypress]

[heady cypress]

Didn't see alecto

Tisiphone showed up once tho

[modern garnet]

Well there you go then

[heady cypress]

35heat was already scary enough i don't need the rest

Tried a 12 heat run afterwards and died again

[twin thistle]

well high heat with an incomplete mirror is gunna kinda suck

and like no aspects

[heady cypress]

Only bought nemesis

It was lvl 2 when I tried the run

[reef zodiac]

Yeah with maxed aspects and full mirror, 35 heat isn’t too hard imo

[heady cypress]

I don't even have maxed stuff on my other file lol

My highest heat was 9 or sumn

Probably with malphon

[reef zodiac]

Why did you want to make a new file?

[heady cypress]

I didn't

I was forced to

[lone kernel]

Ah did you get it for PlayStation

😦

[heady cypress]

Staying with my dad atm so I'm playing on his ps4 not on my own

[brisk trail]

Bruh I have max mirror and I still can't 32 heat

[heady cypress]

Yes

[heady cypress]

Keep going bouldy is there for you

[brisk trail]

I got such a bad start one time I just ended the run by deliberately running into traps

[heady cypress]

Traps are built different

They ended one of my first trys with heat

Cuz daddy's pillar oneshotted me w 150dmg

[jade zenith]

and this is why we don't take HS

[brisk trail]

I also keep accidentally using my summon when I don't want to

[reef zodiac]

Did you get a certified pact review from the people at #h1-high-heat-strategies ?

[chrome wharf]

map it to a out of the way button

[brisk trail]

Pact review? As in the pacts I chose?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

To make sure you’re not making it too hard on yourself

If you’re struggling

[brisk trail]

Nah I didn't but I got all the way to the champs one time so I could probably do it if I run in to petrocolus

[reef zodiac]

Maybe

Are you doing EM4?

What weapon are you using?

[brisk trail]

I have Achilles maxed so I'm using that

[reef zodiac]

Ah ok

Doing flurry jab builds or cast builds?

[brisk trail]

Flurry seemed to be working

[reef zodiac]

Zeus attack? Look for jolted?

[brisk trail]

Yep

[reef zodiac]

Seems good

And no EM4 right?

[brisk trail]

Em3

[reef zodiac]

Ok

No RI or AP?

[brisk trail]

I don't know all the acronyms off the top of my head sorry

[mint coral]

routine inspection/approval proccess (acronyms at the high heat channel pins)

[reef zodiac]

Routine Inspection or Approval Proccess

[brisk trail]

I have them on...

[reef zodiac]

Ooh no

Those are really bad

Don’t use either of those until past 40 heat

[brisk trail]

Bruh I only have so many options to keep it 32

[reef zodiac]

It’s not hard to avoid them

Here, let’s move to #h1-high-heat-strategies

We can help you out

If you want help ofc

But if you’re struggling, it will help a lot to use a more manageable pact

[brisk trail]

Yeah I'm open to help thanks

[pure karma]

Guys

I think that dart the satyrs throw needs to be way more visible

[mint coral]

seeing the action of the satyr throwing a dart is more helpful than trying to avoid the dart itself

[thorny mirage]

usually I just dash away when I hear them hawking a loogie

[lone kernel]

If you see satyrs listen, their tell is all audio

[maiden bane]

Are you able to reroll boons for a duo?

Or is it only available at f you get it offered without a roll

[raw herald]

If you have the correct prerequisites, then yes

[maiden bane]

Ty

[maiden bane]

8 clear !

[chrome wharf]

ayy

[reef zodiac]

Beating Meg with RI4 gives new dialogue

[burnt breach]

the game has an enormous amount of dialog

did you know there's 29 dialogs for gifting bouldy

[mint coral]

dlc to get more dialogue about that

[burnt breach]

dlc

[maiden bane]

😂😂😂😂😶😂😂😂

[burnt breach]

bruh it's funny because there won't be dlc for Hades

[mint coral]

dlc and supergiant games only pair for "dlc is never happening lmao"

pls more pyre world im begging

[burnt breach]

not happening

[reef zodiac]

That’s not why

Why would you say that

Why

You’re not funny

[maiden bane]

ZagGasm

[reef zodiac]

BRO

[maiden bane]

Ok you can @ me now

[reef zodiac]

Literally not funny

[maiden bane]

You would understand if you were there

[reef zodiac]

Didn’t laugh

[mint coral]

artemis legendary why you hate me
got it during eris hangover build

[maiden bane]

All it took me was a cough

Try that

[reef zodiac]

Huh?

[maiden bane]

Huh?

[reef zodiac]

[mint coral]

first time getting dialogue about yarn of ariadne from theseus

[lone kernel]

[reef zodiac]

Have I ever heard that? I can’t remember if I have

[thorny mirage]

iirc he basically gets tilted you bring it

Second time he actually mentions her falling for him

[mint coral]

forgot how fun cluster rockets it is

[reef zodiac]

Clockets are great

[burnt breach]

theseus has 5 dialogs about yarn of ariadne lol

[thorny mirage]

how

[burnt breach]

dunno but that's how it is

[mint coral]

hangover eris turned into cluster rockets run

fun

[burnt breach]

clockets

[candid obsidian]

Still running the same beo run

Slowly getting better… at Tartarus

[burnt breach]

progress is progress

[reef zodiac]

Why do you keep having to reset? Too slow entering/exiting the furies fight?

[maiden bane]

Clear 9 !

Sub 20s are rolling in

[maiden bane]

Does swift strike apply to dash attacks as well? (Sword)

[twin thistle]

no

[maiden bane]

Damn

[twin thistle]

like what even would it do to your dash strike

[maiden bane]

Make it faster

[candid obsidian]

Idk just not good enough for me but I’m taking a break

[reef zodiac]

Understandable

[twin thistle]

dash strikes are instant though

[mint coral]

make it affect bow dash strike

[twin thistle]

when the only thing you do with the bow is dash strike but swift strike does nothing to them

[maiden bane]

Yo

I’m at dad #10

If I stick around does he want to fight me

Like changes his mind

[mint coral]

nah

[maiden bane]

He def is just scared then

Lol

Yooo she knows my Uber driver

Lit

[remote pebble]

I was disappointed, I felt like I obtained my best build at Dad #10

[maiden bane]

Logan Cunningham carried the voice acting budget onG

Robin Williams is smurfing

[twin thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/889673700520099861/83c329ec-86c2-409d-b67c-800c2b7cba13_001.mp4

10 billion iq

also

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/889673719058939924/a01b400a-5445-46b0-9855-16481d3df8d7.jpg

i shouldnt of wasted rerolls confirming that non styx miniboss doors are always boons

two sack

[maiden bane]

I just picked up hazard for the first time, I’ll take notes on that

[twin thistle]

okay maybe taking jerky from patty was a bad idea

[brisk trail]

relentless volley or twin shot for rama?

[twin thistle]

twin 100% of the time

[brisk trail]

ta

[twin thistle]

like twin is double damage

[reef zodiac]

Wait why authority?

Twin Shot Rama is so good

[brisk trail]

im assuming i should just go for heart rend

ive got heroic artemis attack

[twin thistle]

boonless

[reef zodiac]

Oh

Yeah

Makes sense

[reef zodiac]

I guess

I never do Artemis attack or Aphrodite special ever

[twin thistle]

actualy

i dont even need sd with lc4

i get so many centaur hearts

and have a ton of gold

k its big brain time

[mortal marten]

I like to sit around when Hades is listening to the shades' claims, eat popcorn, and imagine what the shades' concerns are. It's super funny to see if they get denied or granted.

[brisk trail]

whys that

[reef zodiac]

Aphrodite is better for attack, and Demeter, Dio, Ares, or Zeus are better for special

[brisk trail]

doesnt heart rend make artemis attack better for bows though?

especially zag and rama

[reef zodiac]

Sure I guess

But Aphrodite attack is amazing without heartrend

And Aphrodite special is pretty worthless

[brisk trail]

just because it has the highest base damage yeah

[reef zodiac]

Yeah consistently one-shotting every enemy is very good

[brisk trail]

but big number

[reef zodiac]

No

Aphrodite gives big number always

Artemis gives bigger number less often

[brisk trail]

yes but not big big number 15% of the time

[:

[reef zodiac]

I mean sure

Whatever you want to do

I still think it’s not correct though

[brisk trail]

its just more fun for me

im not saying its better

point blank or explosive with twin shot artermis rama

[reef zodiac]

Oh god not explosive Rama

[maiden bane]

This game gives me more terms to memorize than my science class

[reef zodiac]

Point blank is great though

Explosive Rama sucks imo

[brisk trail]

i figured point blank would be better

[reef zodiac]

You need to be able to power shot

[brisk trail]

im curious how explosive works though

[reef zodiac]

Perfect is also great

Badly

[rapid forum]

explosive is a meme

fun tho

[brisk trail]

hey my triple shot explosive zag bow build was nuts

[reef zodiac]

I don’t find it fun personally

[brisk trail]

shotgun bow is pog

[reef zodiac]

Not being able to charge my attacks is very painful

[rapid forum]

but I must say it's pretty bad on rama

the draw time is already slow

add explosive

it's slower than a slug in a race

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s agonizing

[rapid forum]

not only that, you don't really need the AOE from explosive on rama

[brisk trail]

im critting for 1927 and i dont have heart rend yet lol

[reef zodiac]

The seeded world record speedrun could beat the champions of elysium in the time it takes to get a power shot with explosive Rama

[brisk trail]

just 2 shot butterfly miniboss lmao

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s Rama

[brisk trail]

ok i died lul

[rapid forum]

how the turntables

[brisk trail]

the charge time is just so long

hard to get used to

[reef zodiac]

For Rama or Explosive Rama?

[spare tiger]

explosive rama

[modern garnet]

explosive rama should be default rama

[brisk trail]

just rama

[lone kernel]

Explosive Rama…meh

I want it to be good

[reef zodiac]

It’s literally painful to play

[twin thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/889685782007259146/7df88d14-9f9a-4867-8c85-4ae02850d1c6.png

thanks styx

[reef zodiac]

[twin thistle]

rerolled 4 times

and no pom

[reef zodiac]

If you’re doing boonless, you maybe wouldn’t want AP2 because that would be less likely to happen

[twin thistle]

im getting all core boons anyways

also ap2 is free heat

[reef zodiac]

Doesn’t look free to me

[twin thistle]

im tryna do boonless so it still doesnt count if i got trippy shot or the dash

[reef zodiac]

You could take trippy and just not cast

That counts in my book

As long as you don’t use the boon

[twin thistle]

well the funny dad dialogue and win screen title

[reef zodiac]

True

[steady geyser]

I’ve gotten to Theseus 3 times now on 32 heat but man they hit so hard. My latest setup was really good except I didn’t have divine dash and I feel like I really need it for that fight

Zeus special on Rama is dank. I like poseidon attack too

[reef zodiac]

You’re not doing EM3 HL5 FO2 are you?

[twin thistle]

when you have 20 health and run into tiny vermin

luckily hestia is safe af

and well doesnt have a dd

no two sack

[soft echo]

No idea why you're using the 2nd version of the cross out one boon but that picture still hurts

[twin thistle]

can i even reroll into a third non boon door in styx

[twin thistle]

cuz boonless run

rerolled into another gold room

watch as its a 5 sack

[mint coral]

point blank and explosive, i pray to bouldy for an anvil

[twin thistle]

wasnt a 3 sack

holy crap

you can reroll 3 obol rooms in styx

if this isnt a 4 sack imma kms

kiss of styx

i like how i have reload and reroll on the same button

so i might accidentally reroll into not gold.

where even do i stick it

muther

its a five sack

bruh

[brisk trail]

I get two sack nearly every time I feel like

[twin thistle]

im a god

i rerolled into a heart

tight deadlined for a whole minute

and i won

[steady geyser]

EM3, HL5, FO0

[twin thistle]

with one dd left

bruh wtf was this run

[steady geyser]

This server is greatly lacking in Hades memes

[narrow hemlock]

they're abundant on twitter

[earnest plaza]

Generally speaking I find fanbase memes rather cringe

I'm sure there are some good ones though

[steady geyser]

[brisk trail]

good chiron build other than heart rend with artemis special?

i've tried aphro attack dionysus spec with duo but felt a bit underwhelming

[twin thistle]

can go aphro special then grab zeus call and get smouldering air

[brisk trail]

isnt aphro spec on chiron kinda bad?

i do like smouldering air though

[lone kernel]

Aphro attack, Artemis special, zeus call, heart rend and smoldering. Super based.

Run Stygian so you don’t get lightning rod offered

Unless you want it

[last veldt]

Had a nice Talos/Crush Shot build going, got to Styx and had 3 poms to buy and one double in the tunnels. Not one of them hit Crush Shot (and I didn't have any more rerolls). RNGesus can be cruel.

[polar root]

Feelsbadman

[last veldt]

I mean it was fine and I won, but I could have had +15 on it.

[maiden bane]

I just fulfilled 3 prophecies in one run

For the dark reflections prophecy, do your mirror talents need to have any upgrades at all?

[twin thistle]

one upgrade

[slim marsh]

First escape done

[rapid forum]

nice

[covert tendon]

i just realized lol

satyr sack

scooby snack

[maiden bane]

Except Scooby snacks won’t give you sepsis

Just got a 15:50 pb

For merciful end duo, does the deflect have to activate?

Or can I just have deflect on attack and it activates

[modern garnet]

You don't actually have to deflect anything yeah

The op strat is ares attack, athena dash

[maiden bane]

Sheesh 🥶

[modern garnet]

Because then it activates every dash atk

[maiden bane]

Really? Sounds like a waste of free damage

Oh i see

Ok

[modern garnet]

Of course, athena dash isn't a prereq for merciful end, specifically to nerf this strat

So you need another deflect siurce

[maiden bane]

Can you get multiple duos from one god for one ability? Got crystal clarity from dem/arty, and want cold fusion from zeus/dem

[modern garnet]

Some duos for the same ability are incompatible

[rapid forum]

like cold embrace and crystal clarity

or Hunting blades and freezing vortex

[modern garnet]

Crystal clarity cold fusion should work though

[maiden bane]

Ok it should work then

Ty

[rapid forum]

well, cold fusion doesn't depend on freeze stacks

so it should work

[maiden bane]

Do attacks that pierce foes go through shields like Theseus’s?

[rapid forum]

yes

[maiden bane]

Sheesh 🥶

[rapid forum]

piercing attacks are fun

[brisk trail]

ideas for hestia other than heart rend?

[rapid forum]

shackle

or aphro attack

plus legendary

You're a cupid with a gun

[brisk trail]

lmao

its only 11 heat so i can try dumb stuff

just racking up ambrosia for companions and titans blood for aspects

and around 5500 gems for the last decorations

[rapid forum]

if you wanna do something real dumb, hazard bomb + eris.

[brisk trail]

i dont wanna troll haha

[rapid forum]

fair enough

[brisk trail]

also i much prefer hestia to eris

idk why

[rapid forum]

the stupidity kind of depend on hammer selection

[brisk trail]

yeah

i mean i could do spread fire but thats less troll and more doesnt do anything

[rapid forum]

spread fire on zag rail is an actual strat

but again, hammer dependent

[brisk trail]

yeah i saw haelian do a video on it

what if i did heart rend

but artemis special aphro attack

and hope for triple bomb

[rapid forum]

you can

I've done it a while back with eris

the damage is spectacular

though I also got rocket bomb

[brisk trail]

the main idea behind hestia is aphro attack will buff that first shot pretty significantly

i like rocket bomb too

piercing, rocket bomb, triple/hazard bomb

[rapid forum]

yes, and consistency compared to artemis attack

[brisk trail]

yeah, inconsistency can be for the spec

ok ill try that out, tah

[rapid forum]

same

[brisk trail]

308 damage room 1 lol

purple strike

[rapid forum]

Be me
Got Hazard bomb
Aphro Special
Fought Tis

used DD

[brisk trail]

HAHA nice

only just getting hammer in asphodel now

got triple bomb pog

[maiden bane]

My escape success rate is up to 27% 🥶

[rapid forum]

so uh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/817270982191874081/889743536671576104/unknown.png?width=1116&height=628

I did not photoshop this

how?

I have no idea

[brisk trail]

did u take sunken treasure + ocean bounty?

[rapid forum]

ohhhhh

yes

I see

I've never taken them

[brisk trail]

hahaha

up to styx

[rapid forum]

Up to dad

[brisk trail]

5 sack zzz

[rapid forum]

targeting system and hazard bomb was very pog

I was more danger to myself than EM4 dad

[brisk trail]

havent even tried em4 yet

never got offered a 2nd hammer

[rapid forum]

you should try it one day. I highly recommend fighting EM4 at least once for everyone.

[brisk trail]

got pretty unlucky with boons and missing a hammer, plus 5 sack lol

https://gyazo.com/99d715486e0d3634074709adc516a8d1

but you definitely feel the power difference off-crit between aphro strike and artemis strike

still think artemis attack is more fun though

especially on zag bow and nemesis blade

[twin thistle]

is that olympian favor

also shackle hestia supremacy

[brisk trail]

is dark foresight better?

[twin thistle]

yep

[maiden bane]

How do you change the outline decoration?

[twin thistle]

having more boons does way more than having a couple rare ones instead of common

[brisk trail]

it's in the contractors shop post game

[maiden bane]

So after 10 clears?

[brisk trail]

but doesnt dark foresight reduce the boons you get?

[maiden bane]

I haven’t noticed ig

[brisk trail]

bc you get more poms, hammers etc

[twin thistle]

no its gold laurel rooms

which includes boons too

[brisk trail]

oooooh

i see, ill change it

gods legacy or gods pride?

legacy for merciful end i guess

If I have 200/230 hp do I take from Patroclus healing or damage?

[twin thistle]

for a merciful end build you dont care about many duo boons other than that so id prefer pride

[hearty sierra]

Depends on your weapon

[brisk trail]

Sword

[hearty sierra]

If you're that high and full on DD then I'd say damage

[brisk trail]

Wait it was 150 out of 175

think i've taken healing once lol

always jerky or dd for me

[forest falcon]

I take healing pretty much always

Does the charon trinket affect the patroclus items

[twin thistle]

nope

[brisk trail]

Oh Theseus is right after so good thing I've taken damage lol

[hearty sierra]

Yeah damage is often nice

[silent arrow]

Hello, I have start Hadès on my pc with xbox game pass PC. I want maybe buy it at switch. Cross save is available between xbox game pass PC and switch ? Or maybe I need buy it on PC too, but I can transfer save between xbox game pass game and steam game for example ?
Thank for your reply

[hearty sierra]

But If you're taking a low-attack regardless then it's sometimes better to run healing

[rapid forum]

cross save is only available for switch and PC sadly

[hearty sierra]

From #hades-faq :

Does the Xbox Game Pass version of Hades support cross-saves with any other version?
If you have Hades on Game Pass, your save data should transfer to other versions of Hades on Game Pass. For example, if you play Hades on Game Pass for Windows, and also on Game Pass on Xbox Series X, your save data should transfer between versions automatically. However, your save data will not transfer to any other versions, including Steam.

[rapid forum]

ok then nvm

you got a more elongated explanation

[hearty sierra]

But yes a concise answer would be "Xbox saves are not compatible with Switch/EGS/Steam saves"

[silent arrow]

Thanks (and then I need restart the game 😅)

[rapid forum]

how far are you?

[plucky minnow]

hey. is it weird that i never used cast until i finished the game like 5 times

before the game was complete

[mossy dagger]

I use cast for extra 50% damage, but that's it

[dusky wedge]

There are entire cast builds that uses the casts as main damage, quite fun as well

[mossy dagger]

yeah, I imagine like aspect of poseidon

[ebon thistle]

i almost always forget to use cast unless i build around it

Or rather i was, until i switched to CD cast instead of 3-charge

i know 3-charge is probably better by default but i feels more natural to casts like Dionis and Demetra

[dusky wedge]

If you’re using cast builds, it’s better to have more cast ammo than the regenerating ones

[rocky aurora]

can I finish a run on the same heat over and over again to finish the story???

[rapid forum]

yes

[ebon thistle]

yes

[dusky wedge]

Even with Hermes cast regen buffs, it’s still slow

[rocky aurora]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my life has changed forever

[ebon thistle]

Doesnt feel slow for me TBH. And its not about extra regen speed, its about extra cast from Chaos, because charges has separate cooldowns.

Which wouldn't be the case in a lesser game

[twin thistle]

yeah having a second cast with stygian is basically like halving the cooldown

[dusky wedge]

Well, now that you mentioned Chaos, yeah I guess it’s fine if you can get extra casts from them

[ebon thistle]

wait can you get +2 casts from Chaos?

[dusky wedge]

But I rather still have 5-ish ammo rather than just 3-ish

[ebon thistle]

That would be absolutely borked

[dusky wedge]

You should be

[twin thistle]

yeah chaos can give multiple

[dusky wedge]

Haven’t heard any restrictions

[ebon thistle]

NGL playing with CD cast makes me wanna invest into castloading bow

[twin thistle]

multiple stygian casts is mainly for stuff like dio or demeter casts where your cast stays around for awhile

[ebon thistle]

hey thats what i said c:

[twin thistle]

reading is a lot of work

[ebon thistle]

yea it just feels better to always have Dionis cloud on hand rather than wait for it to dissipate

[twin thistle]

for hera bow id go aphro or athena cast with infernal soul though

[high island]

Hera has no effect on Cast regen time.

[ebon thistle]

infernal is 3-charge or CD?

[twin thistle]

3

[ebon thistle]

Im not sure what you mean. Hera bow disables regen?

[twin thistle]

it just doesnt affect it

speeds up drop time for lodged casts though

[high island]

If you're using Stygian Soul, Lv.1 Hera is as good as Lv.5.

[dusky wedge]

You know, this sounds neat and all, but I still feel, idk, paranoid (lmao) about having to wait for cast regen, and also rerolling hard on Chaos lol

I’ll try it with Hera later

[ebon thistle]

TBH i used Hera bow so little i genuinely thought it upgrades Cast damage

[twin thistle]

nah dont do it with hera

[dusky wedge]

What would you suggest then?

[twin thistle]

use stygian with achilles and meme beams

[ebon thistle]

Thats even better tho, full benefit with zero titanblood investment lets goooo

[dusky wedge]

Alright

[twin thistle]

if you get a second or third cast and get glacial glare you can end up with just a ton of demeter casts on the field

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, Hera feels like those lvl 1 wonders where even the first level can already work well

[twin thistle]

like with just one extra cast i can get like 5-6 casts up at once lol https://imgur.com/a/FSH1q5t

[ebon thistle]

"Hey Dad wanna see my science class project?"

"Sure Zagreus what are you~ BLOOD AND DARKNESS!"

[twin thistle]

when he's losing health so fast that half the bar is just white lol

[pure karma]

I HATE those shield guys in Elysium

[high island]

They spawn facing right by the way.

Easy hits from the left when they spawn.

[twin thistle]

get close and bait out a swing then theyll sit still for a bit and you can attack them safely

[high island]

Mainly just run up to them to trigger their attack when you're in range, then empty-dash behind them when they ready their attack.

Yeah.

[pure karma]

Kinda hard to do all that with arthur

too slow

Taking too much damage

[high island]

And as pretty much always in Hades, circle enemies to avoid their attacks.

[ebon thistle]

I practicaly despise every single enemy in Elysium

Except for Asterius. He's the only one who's allowed to have bullcrap attacks. For obvious reasons.

[high island]

Don't avoid the swear filter, though.

[ebon thistle]

Is there less swear-ish analong that keeps the pun?

(also i swear something similar used at some point in-game)

[high island]

They're okay with crap, so that would work, I guess.

[ebon thistle]

yea again i think Zag at some point swears like that

[brisk trail]

Zag says piss off

[ebon thistle]

that too

[calm gazelle]

Bastard is used in the game

[late acorn]

why are the hearts on skelly locked now?

[high island]

Because you can't progress your affinity at this time.

[modern garnet]

He'll tell you something he wants you do pretty soon

[ebon thistle]

load up the game

start in the middle of Elisium with Thanatos Butterfly and sniper Rail because i never continued the ran after the last crash

whatisgoingon.jpg

[brisk trail]

If I have high health and full DD is Portaclus still better than a god boon?

[ebon thistle]

Not really

Unless you want to chat with him and \ or progress his quest

[void vigil]

you could still get the temporary attack boost if thats good for your build

[brisk trail]

I mean it probably is

[void vigil]

i also just like seeing him :)

[high island]

That or the healing to ensure you're at full health.

[brisk trail]

Since I only have 90/125 maybe healing is still valid yeah

[high island]

I'll take him over any boon but a .

[ebon thistle]

125 HP in Elisium sounds tough

[high island]

It's also a free chamber.

[brisk trail]

Sometimes the Centaur god just doesn't like you

[modern garnet]

The damage usually carries over to champions, ime

[ebon thistle]

Altho if its 125 HP with spear hidden aspect... Thats actually pretty good c:

[brisk trail]

Nah I have Hera bow

[high island]

Always does.

[brisk trail]

Now question is healing or damage

[high island]

What keepsake are you using?

[brisk trail]

Acorn

[high island]

Jerky.

[ebon thistle]

with Hera your damage comes from loaded casts IIRC

so probably healing? Depending on how far you are into Elisium.

[brisk trail]

Room 31

[high island]

Jerky is good. Plenty of opportunity to find healing still.

And if you don't, you have the Acorn anyway.

[fast willow]

what are some good boons for attack and special on achilles spear

[high island]

This would be the optimal build for DPS. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

[cunning cradle]

artemis or zeus attack are good on achilles

[fast willow]

ok, and what are the relatively free heat things to add

[high island]

https://youtu.be/CGl1vVnFPsw

He explains all the modifiers and stuff really well.

[fast willow]

ok thanks

[high island]

I'd say just try them out and get some experience with all of them.

[brisk trail]

How much heat do you want?

[high island]

There's a prophecy for making it out with each of them at least once, anyway.

They're all relatively harmless on their own at low heats.

But anything is gonna be tough if you have no experience with it.

[tall lotus]

wow, that hadees and son of hadee dad, what for think for faveortie weapon maybe shield ?but in for that one not weapon haha still good for the boon thunder !

me for to the think this time it in the crazy for seeing zagreus, wondering if this supergiantgames zagreus? @zinc badge

[zinc badge]

No

[heavy wigeon]

your pfp reminds me of star war

[tall lotus]

hmm wondering why to you message dleete? what you try for this time?

[heavy wigeon]

hello jacobian

[tall lotus]

hello from this way from pond!

[heavy wigeon]

how are you today 🙂

[tall lotus]

it for this one in to having many hadee fights! seeing for fire heat this time way up, kind of dificult

[heavy wigeon]

very nice very nice

[little dragon]

he never mentions SD + LC though

which imo is by far the easiest 32+ set up

he only recs LC with guan yu of all things

as a 32 build

[tall lotus]

that sound hard isillor, but good see in answer for taht one! I haveing hard time for the advice since it be nyana not message me since i get block by her so it appreciate!

[high island]

LC is pretty free on Guan Yu.

[little dragon]

while thats true.... taking guan yu for 32 heat in the first place

thats a pretty thonk moment

id never rec that to newer players at least

[high island]

Guan Yu is still amazing at 32.

[tall lotus]

what guan yu for? i not seing it for to runs with spear before @little dragon it good for the boon?

[high island]

His strategies are often different from mine, but they work.

[little dragon]

it heals you when you use a certain attack

so it can be tanky

[tall lotus]

Ah taht making the sense then, I new for it all so it probaly good for to shielding then for the tank?

[little dragon]

it cant really shield or block anything

it just heals

so you still need to play it really carefully

it also gives you much less max HP, which makes you less tanky

[forest falcon]

I can't play with guan yu

[tall lotus]

Wow that in crazy for it since i seeing bad times on hotter level. I liking to for to hearing advice wit player having more hotter times! I wish for to getting the advice form Nyanaa mew, but I thinking she not like me from lithua so i get block i guess, not good for me haha

@little dragon thankig for advice!

[elfin granite]

I didn't know mods were allowed to block users?

[tall lotus]

it notting for nyana the mod, she hard worker user though, still good to me haha!

[forest falcon]

Not a mod

[brisk trail]

Y'know taking damage was a bad idea if I would've taken healing I maybe would've gotten to Hades with 4 DD

[fast willow]

is serrated point upgrade for spear good?

[high island]

Insisting that I've blocked you because you're from Lithua or wherever is slander. Stop that.

[fast willow]

3hit dashstrike is nice but reduced range is ugh

[brisk trail]

Though also maybe I would've had 2 now

[tall lotus]

thating for you to misunderstand my friend! I come for adviceing for the game to play! like all user!

[little dragon]

yeah its fine

defintitely not the best spear upgrade

[high island]

Moderators have purple names and are listed separately from other online members in the member list.

[tall lotus]

I wishing for to emote that message nyana, it good for the advice for new ones too!

[high island]

Also no idea if they're allowed to block users.

[little dragon]

lots of servers have shadow mods though that look like normal users 😔

[tall lotus]

@little dragon i tahnking for you to the help and kindfullness to me! i hard time someways when the discord user not likeing me for typing bad, so it nice to see!

[heavy wigeon]

yeah i heard that's pretty common @little dragon

[tall lotus]

maybe one of day to this, i talk nyana and we friends to taht day! can dream for it though

[heavy wigeon]

yeah i think this comunity is pretty freindly :)

gn everyone !! 🌛

[tall lotus]

this for the sweeting dreams my friend!

[elfin granite]

good night!

[brisk trail]

Guh I wanna play Hades rn but hospital appointment

[high island]

Bring your computer or console to the hospital.

[void vigil]

ive never heard of "shadow mods" that look like normal users, but all of our mods are purple and separate from the online members as nyaa said

[brisk trail]

I'm playing Hades on a heart monitor

[pure karma]

Steam Deck

[brisk trail]

I plugged it into some ladies life support

[reef zodiac]

Hitless EM2 Lernie is harder than hitless EM3 champions

EM2 Lernie is so chaotic

[calm gazelle]

Yeah

Ive never hitlessed any bosses on the extreme measures

[fast willow]

is it just me or is the Medusa + stonecrusher miniboss harder than the hydra (without any boss heat)

[calm gazelle]

Yeah espically when you have the additional problem for mini bosses on

[reef zodiac]

I definitely don’t agree but they’re both extreme easy so idk

I’ve definitely no-hit EM3 before

I’ve also no-hit EM1

[forest falcon]

the giant medusa head and stonecrusher mini boss with the heat modifier are pretty hard for me still

I hate the sneak the most tho

Not even hard just annoying

Especially if using rama

[reef zodiac]

Nah even with MM power couple (that’s what I call the megagorgon and skullcrusher) is pretty easy. Just remember to Meg the second the skullcrusher lands and it won’t do any damage

[forest falcon]

I should propably level up my meg companion

I only have 2 uses on it

[brisk trail]

sneak is also solved with meg

[forest falcon]

Doubt I'll be able to hit it tbh

[reef zodiac]

It’s easy

When the fight start, it does one fake-out and one real teleport. As soon as it shows up the second time, Meg.

[brisk trail]

when in doubt use meg when it stabs

[cunning cradle]

without any heat medusa+crushere are pretty easy, you just punch medusa until you remives its armor, then wait for crusher to fall, just before it falls you meg, medusa head dies and you punch crusher to death

[fast willow]

i dont have meg's aid thing yet

[pure karma]

Yo, can someone explain what does the Benefit Package mod that gives a purple ring around enemies does? I can't figure it out.

[brisk trail]

Hey so... Is a death defiance from the tooth your last life or does it go before athenas

[pure karma]

Tooth is last I think

[brisk trail]

Stubborn defiance is pretty good, like you get additional with the Athena replenish 1 death defiance? I'm not crazy right

[pure karma]

I think that Athena's thing just replenishes an empty slot

Don't quote me on that

[reef zodiac]

No

[pure karma]

ok then

[reef zodiac]

It can give you an extra DD if you have stubborn defiance

But only if you’ve already lost your DD in that room

[pure karma]

if not it does nothing?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

That’s why Athena is so good for high heat runs

[thorny mirage]

Would it even get offered

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[thorny mirage]

if you haven’t lost a dd

wtheck

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it can get offered but it won’t do anything (other than the small effect of the boon)

[thorny mirage]

[pure karma]

So you are running with 2 tries per room

neat

[reef zodiac]

And you also can’t sell stand boons

[reef zodiac]

No

It’s a DD not an SD

[thorny mirage]

it’s not a permanent dd

[reef zodiac]

It works like Lucky Tooth would

[brisk trail]

Oh I get it restores the use and you get 1 every encounter so you end up with 2

[pure karma]

Right DD, is the multiple ones per escape

mixed them

So what does it do with SD?

[thorny mirage]

Gives you a death defiance

[reef zodiac]

Exactly. So now you have your SD and a backup DD

Athena is really good

[pure karma]

Just 1 DD that gets consumed?

[thorny mirage]

Yes

[pure karma]

Does the slot remain? Can you refill it?

[reef zodiac]

How would you?

[pure karma]

With like the well stuff?

[reef zodiac]

No

That can’t show up

You’re using SD

[pure karma]

Oh right those dont appear with SD

and pat gives smth else

[reef zodiac]

Same with Patroclus who will only offer you ToSD

Btw

[pure karma]

yeah yeah

[reef zodiac]

ToSD is busted

It’s insanely good

[pure karma]

15 encounters

I always pick it

[reef zodiac]

Arguably better for any build than any boon

[pure karma]

I started playing with DD again

But I like SD more

even at low heat

[reef zodiac]

Yeah DD is good for lower heat

SD is only good for high heat when you’re using LC4

[brisk trail]

I wish there was a way to kill myself to use Patroclus to cheat 2 defiances lol

[reef zodiac]

Wym?

[brisk trail]

Like to use up the stubborn to restore it

[reef zodiac]

Patroclus will only offer you ToSD

Not KoSP

[brisk trail]

What

[reef zodiac]

He doesn’t give you DDs

No

Not with SD

He offers you Touch of Styx Dark

[mint coral]

stubborn defiance gives you an item that boost it heal recovery by +50%

[reef zodiac]

Not Kiss of Styx Premium

[thorny mirage]

you only get kiss of styx when using death defiances

[pure karma]

If you have Death's Defiance he restores them. If you have Stubborn Defiance he gives a boost that makes it give you 50% hp on death and lasts 15 encounters

[brisk trail]

I didn't even process the item was different

[thorny mirage]

mfw

[brisk trail]

I picked hydraulic like an idiot

[reef zodiac]

Oh my god

What did I say literally 20 seconds ago

[brisk trail]

I did this before you said that lmao

[reef zodiac]

Bruh

ToSD is so incredibly broken

[brisk trail]

I couldn't even heal anyway

[reef zodiac]

Why would you take it

[brisk trail]

Pact

[reef zodiac]

Lmaooo

[brisk trail]

Because I'm dumb bro

[reef zodiac]

[brisk trail]

I did a dumb

I also bought health items from well of Charon...

I should just quit video games

[reef zodiac]

[brisk trail]

I did get all the way to Hades

Almost second phase

Was playing pretty sloppy tho

If I wasn't being stupid I probably would have done it

Sometimes I wish there was a way to automate keepsake swap

Brain 🧠

[reef zodiac]

Imagine if you had 160% more health from ToSD

[brisk trail]

Yeah but my memory sucks

[reef zodiac]

Then you really would have won

[brisk trail]

Smh

I hate myself rn

Damnit I had flurry jab, zeus attack plus jolted, hangover on special for privileged status, Athena dash and Artemis cast

I let the win slip so bad it hurts

[pure karma]

@reef zodiac You'll be happy to know I am trying a Rama Attack build with Artemis

[thorny mirage]

biggest of crits

[reef zodiac]

Out of curiosity, why Artemis?

[thorny mirage]

chunky hits

[reef zodiac]

I prefer Aphrodite but Artemis isn’t bad ig

Anyway, good luck

[pure karma]

Because I forgot to change keepsakes, Artemis was first

Then aphro gave me flourish

and now I have heart rend

[thorny mirage]

You can’t lose

[pure karma]

No worries, I suck so much at this bow

I just cant hit the perfect shots

I cant

[thorny mirage]

it’s rama

I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever perfect shotted with it

[forest falcon]

It's tough

[brisk trail]

Charon boss is kinda stupid hard considering it can happen in Tartarus

[pure karma]

It's a hidden boss

He is supposed to be hard

[reef zodiac]

Really? It should be too tough to consistently dash-strike power shot. If you practice for 5 minutes you should be able to get it down

The best DPS with Rama is to dash-strike power shot enemies that has shared suffering

[brisk trail]

Optimal gaming

Icky I'm gonna actively make everything harder for myself

[reef zodiac]

[brisk trail]

Like playing as junkrat in overwatch

[reef zodiac]

I don’t play that game

[brisk trail]

Cool well

I COULD HAVE BEAT THAT 32 HEAT RUN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[reef zodiac]

Yep

moment

[pure karma]

Chain Shot is good with Rama it seems

[brisk trail]

I'm going to actually throw up and cry when I do it probably lol

[pure karma]

Nope

it stopped piercing

oh god

[reef zodiac]

Chain shot is mediocre at best for Rama

[brisk trail]

I will be spewing like the poison vermin in temple Styx

[reef zodiac]

And it’s actually really bad for triple shot Rama

[pure karma]

I had triple shot

should hgave taken it?

[reef zodiac]

Oh

God no

[brisk trail]

Speaking of temple Styx

[pure karma]

I had it as an option

[brisk trail]

Satyrs suck

[reef zodiac]

Triple shot is so good!

Literally the best or second best Rama hammer

3x your damage didn’t sound good to you??

[brisk trail]

I like bow and it got me my fastest time but there's something about it... It feels too easy maybe idk

[reef zodiac]

?

Too easy?

[brisk trail]

Idk I kinda don't have fun with bow really

[reef zodiac]

Then don’t play bow lol

[pure karma]

Triple shot is the one that spreads in a cone isnt it

?

[reef zodiac]

Rama is my favorite aspect

[reef zodiac]

Yes? It’s the one that shoots three shots

3x the damage

How could that not be good

It’s insane

It’s so strong

[pure karma]

How is it 3x damage unless you are literaly point blank?

[reef zodiac]

Then be point blank

[pure karma]

With a bow

ok

next time

[reef zodiac]

Not 100% of the time mind you

But do it when it’s safe to

There’s no downside

[thorny mirage]

great for room clearing

great for more damage

[reef zodiac]

Triple Shot takes some practice

But it’s amazing

[pure karma]

There is a downside for me

It confuses me

[reef zodiac]

??

What

[brisk trail]

Why in Hades is Hephaestus not in the game but Daedalus hammers are

[reef zodiac]

Bruh idk

I didn’t make the game

[brisk trail]

Hephaestus makes the god's arms

[reef zodiac]

What do you mean it confuses you

[thorny mirage]

some of them

[pure karma]

Where I am aiming

[thorny mirage]

literally anywhere

[reef zodiac]

What?

[forest falcon]

I like to run twin shot point blank shot

[thorny mirage]

in the general vicinity of the enemy

[forest falcon]

I'd try triple shot but i never get it

[reef zodiac]

I prefer twin to triple but they’re both equally good. Twin is just easier to use

[forest falcon]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

Is Hephaestus cthonic? I remember he was in the underworld I think in god of war

[forest falcon]

getting in completely point blank to hit all 3 shots seems like it'd need some practicing to pull off without taking a lot of damage

[thorny mirage]

He’s definitely not

[reef zodiac]

No matter what, taking chain over triple with Rama is wrong

[thorny mirage]

and god of war is not accurate to the myths really

[brisk trail]

I mean there isn't one "accurate" version

[reef zodiac]

It definitely can, yeah. I mean it’s honestly pretty easy with FO0

[forest falcon]

Isn't god of war nordic mythology

[thorny mirage]

that’s the newest game

Before it was greek

[forest falcon]

Huh

[thorny mirage]

Never said that, but it’s not accurate to most versions anyways. And hephaestus is not chthonic in the slightest

[deep comet]

Hi everyone

[brisk trail]

Ello

[granite ether]

Greg answered pretty much that exact question during one of the Q+A's #ask-supergiant message

[brisk trail]

So basically the answer is to more separate hammers from the Olympian boons

What's people's opinion on serrated point?

I've been told flurry is better

Its really fun but deals a lot of damage to me...

[thorny mirage]

Serrated point pretty good

[brisk trail]

How do you deal with papa's whirlwind attack?

With serrated point

Wdym? You evade

[mint coral]

timing well enough the i frames of your dash ig

[chrome wharf]

time the dashes better, there should still be enough time

[brisk trail]

I mean I just did Theseus and the whirlwinds were the hard part

Maybe I did it too early?

[maiden bane]

I don’t like chill boons bc it messes up my timing for dodging through dad spins and Theseus spear throws

[brisk trail]

Oh I do have those that might be the problem lol

[maiden bane]

Can you curse in this server? I forgor

I see

[thorny mirage]

I forgor

[maiden bane]

💀

[thorny mirage]

also yeah demeter’s effects are kinda not good to me

[maiden bane]

I had a run last night with her, got 2 reds and 2-3 duos with arti/dem and zeus/dem

Mostly for the jolted duration extend

Wish I was able to sell the dem cast before Styx

[thorny mirage]

really her only good stuff is like rare crop and meme beam for the meme

[maiden bane]

^

[mint coral]

and snow bust, killing freeze, ravenous will are decent too

[faint python]

hi guys how can i unlock hypnos locked heart? i completed fated list, every characters relationship, upgraded all weapons& summons, even unlock the skellys 32 heat prize but hypnos still dont talk me anything special

[thorny mirage]

oh yeah snow burst for casts

just keep talking to hypnos

Eventually he’ll give you the dialogue

[mint coral]

you need to talk with than about hypnos too

[thorny mirage]

oh I kinda assumed they already did

[pure karma]

Rama so good

So so fun to play

[deep comet]

What dialogue?

[deep comet]

What is the game Rama

[thorny mirage]

he’ll just talk to you about something, I think about being friends, and the heart will unlock

[pure karma]

Rama is an aspect of the bow

[thorny mirage]

hidden aspect specifically

[deep comet]

Oh ok

[deep comet]

That’s cool

[pure karma]

Wonder what their next game is gonna be. So far I have also played Bastion and Transistor and both were great.

[deep comet]

Supergiant games?

[pure karma]

yeah

[deep comet]

Ok

I will check these games out

[pure karma]

Recommend them 100%

[deep comet]

K are paid

?

[pure karma]

There is another one called Pyre I haven't played

uhhh

You need to buy them yes

[deep comet]

Sounds cool

[deep comet]

Ok l will check

[mint coral]

do it, join the pyre cult

[maiden bane]

What is Pyre

[lone kernel]

Game made by the makers of hades

[brisk trail]

mm

I've a bit of trouble

so, whenever I get to Hades, which happens quite often if I use the sword, I tend to have low health

too low to really fight well

[maiden bane]

Getting hit lowers your health

[reef zodiac]

Why

[brisk trail]

Do you not have death defiance up to 3?

[maiden bane]

I pop on skelly keepsake even if I have 3

[brisk trail]

I use the stubborn defiances

[reef zodiac]

Why is it so low every time though? Aren’t you getting healed by the sack?

[brisk trail]

and, well, no

[maiden bane]

🤢

[reef zodiac]

Ohhh you don’t do that

If you’re having trouble with Hades

You want DD

[pure karma]

I assume they keep clearing rooms after the sack

[brisk trail]

bloody hell

[reef zodiac]

Well definitely don’t do that

[maiden bane]

He’s darkness poor

Ew

[reef zodiac]

Are you clearing rooms after you get the satyr sack?

[brisk trail]

not always

sometimes as a last ditch effort to get stronger

hasn't worked out, at all

[reef zodiac]

Well if your issue is not having health for Hades, then never do that

[brisk trail]

hm

[maiden bane]

I feel like it doesn’t matter that much if he uses SD right?

[reef zodiac]

You will only lose Heath that you can’t get back

Oh I guess that’s kinda true? But not really actually

Since it still heals you