h1-discussion

[stoic flame]

i dont like arte and aphro call

[boreal gale]

It's mainly for dad second stage

[stoic flame]

single targetting

stinky

dio call tho

mmmm

[raw herald]

https://imgur.com/gallery/GuPx4RC here we go

[reef zodiac]

Zeus Call obviously best call

[boreal gale]

If I get Dem cast I'm set

[stoic flame]

zeus call is also poggers

[stoic flame]

embed fail

[signal aspen]

nice

[raw herald]

oops

[stoic flame]

laugh at this user

[reef zodiac]

No I can see it

[stoic flame]

damn

[void vigil]

thats incredible

[stoic flame]

one shot

[reef zodiac]

Beowulf moment

[void vigil]

it just got deleted

[raw herald]

beowulf doing beowulf things

[signal aspen]

thats why i like beowulf

[boreal gale]

Is this Beo?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[raw herald]

Yeah

[boreal gale]

I need to get it if so

Okay I'm getting Beo

[stoic flame]

beo is fun

[boreal gale]

Support fire Malphon feels unfair

[reef zodiac]

Beowulf is super strong

[reef zodiac]

Unfair how? I’m not sure if it’s as strong as you think it is

It’s pretty good though, in my experience

[boreal gale]

With ordinary rooms and even boss fights you kill everything so fast

[signal aspen]

support fire malphon is poggers

[stoic flame]

support fire just looks very strong

it is good

[signal aspen]

its not unfair tho

[boreal gale]

Because of how fast you're hitting

[raw herald]

Yeah it's like a Zeus attack without the jolted

Pretty good

[boreal gale]

(also I have 30% attack speed increase.)

[reef zodiac]

I think the unfair part is ME

ME definitely feels unfair

[stoic flame]

ME is just 💀

deleting mobs

[reef zodiac]

Deleting bosses

[lone kernel]

Support fire on a fast weapon can help a bit (basically double base rail shots for example) but more importantly is the feeling of power

and dealing with damage control

[signal aspen]

any weapon can deal with DC if you just dont turn it on

[wise oasis]

O_O

That's like at least 7 damage

[raw herald]

At least

+-2000

[lone kernel]

Yeah, but I’m a masochist, and I like Eris and Rama the best so I use it a decent amount

[brisk trail]

man i just

cant use the bow

at all

[signal aspen]

git gud

[boreal gale]

Bows kinda hard to use but it's great once you get it down

[south lagoon]

bow my beloved 💘

[boreal gale]

Sat casually on 1hp fighting dad

Sat casually on 0 hp fighting dad

[raw herald]

Practice dash strikes and power shots on skelly

[lone kernel]

Rama go brrr

[boreal gale]

Okay dad dead fun

9 heat cleared in 20:51

[signal aspen]

nice

[reef zodiac]

If you can’t use the bow, maybe start with Chiron or Hera since they don’t require power shots

[boreal gale]

However the selections I made were not so smart

BP1 MM1 FO1 DC2

[reef zodiac]

That’s not that bad

But I would advise DC2 at 9 heat

Also, I’d suggest trying out EM and TD since those are some really important pacts as you increase your heat more

40 heat. Cluster Rocket Eris rail. Also I have lvl 3 Poseidon’s Aid and all the prerequisites for Smoldering Air so let’s hope for that

[boreal gale]

Yeah I decided that you guys who all have more experience than me didn't know what you were talking about and so I chose DC2. Then I lost a DD to Meg

[reef zodiac]

This could be a first try 40 heat Eris rail

We will see

[boreal gale]

So now I'm actually gonna listen to what the people who know what they're on about are saying

[reef zodiac]

DC2 shouldn’t really be an issue for bosses

But that’s beside the point

I’m definitely willing to give advice for pact layouts if you want help in the future

Good luck

[boreal gale]

Should I go for Beo next considering I'm sitting on 9 Titans blood

But Chaos is being rude

And won't talk to me about the shield

[mint coral]

dont be stubborn like me and pick dc1 for 40 heat beo

[signal aspen]

bruh

[high island]

You'll get Beowulf when you get it. No way to "go for it", really.

[reef zodiac]

NEVERMIND I DIED TO ASTERIUS

Shockwaves too big I guess

[boreal gale]

I'll just keep shield equipped and get it when I get it ig

[signal aspen]

bull man fast

[boreal gale]

Asterius is scaru

Beyblade scares me

Especially in his arena because its so small

[reef zodiac]

The AOE when he lands does 44 damage

It hit me twice

Run over I guess

[signal aspen]

F

[reef zodiac]

That’s absurd

[boreal gale]

Don't get hit by it then

[reef zodiac]

But FO2

[signal aspen]

yeah just stop getting hit by it

[boreal gale]

Just dodge

[twin thistle]

asterius' spinny beyblade at em3 the least of your worries

[boreal gale]

It's Theseus being a car

[signal aspen]

its the bullrush

he rushes at the speed of light

[twin thistle]

lmao going ring around a rosy with asterius around a pillar at em3 and fo is pain

[reef zodiac]

The AOE is the only really bad part of the fight. You can get used to avoiding the charge, you can avoid the spin, but the AOE happens every time he lands, it’s massive, and it does 22 base damage

[twin thistle]

yeah having extra dashes makes a huge difference against shiny asterius

[reef zodiac]

The AOE is literally the hardest part of the entire 40 heat run. If you remove that, it would be probably at least 40% easier for me to do 40 heat

Maybe even up to 60% easier

It’s just so huge

Also it lingers

I’m not even complaining, difficulty is interesting and this is a perfectly fair attack

[boreal gale]

You guys on 40 heat lol how

[reef zodiac]

I wonder if I’d have an easier time doing 40 heat Eris if I replaced EM3 with JS3

[boreal gale]

I tried max heat and didn't even get past room two

[lone kernel]

300 hours and counting and I’ve done it twice ever lol

[reef zodiac]

I have like 500 hours in the game, don’t worry. No pressure, you’ll get there if you want to get there

[twin thistle]

max heat is quite a bit crazier than that lol

[signal aspen]

im not on 40 heat

im on 50 heat

[lone kernel]

likely not, but yolo

[boreal gale]

SILENCE

[stoic flame]

40 heat 💀

[twin thistle]

im still grinding through bounties lol

[lone kernel]

could just be super based and use both and get 43

[signal aspen]

i got to chamber 19 on 63 heat

[boreal gale]

Why am I not getting the Meg dialogue thing

[stoic flame]

im out here struggling with 32

i think shield is my best bet for 32 heat

[boreal gale]

I'm struggling on 9 lmao

[mint coral]

"Father!" "I can hear you clearly" sigil of the dead dialogue against dad is still one of my favourites

[reef zodiac]

I actually think I would. Timer still won’t be an issue because it’s Eris rail. And Asterius miniboss is literally harder than the Hades fight, so… it really might be correct

[boreal gale]

I can't use sigil of the dead for some reason

[signal aspen]

i remember when i tried 10 heat with eris for the first time and almost died at elysium

[reef zodiac]

Wym can’t

[signal aspen]

probably because you have artemis call

[stoic flame]

yes

[lone kernel]

It’s locked if you have a call

[boreal gale]

That

Now that would make sense

[stoic flame]

🥴

[lone kernel]

fair enough, go get em

[reef zodiac]

Hades call is only worth it for speedruns

[boreal gale]

But because I have the iq of a goldfish I didn't realise that

[lone kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[signal aspen]

bruh thats higher than mine

[high island]

If you deflect him when he slams the ground, you'll negate the damage from the shockwave, too.

Easy with Divine Dash.

[reef zodiac]

I didn’t have divine dash. I rolled twice for it, couldn’t find it

[high island]

Well.

[reef zodiac]

But yeah, maybe I’ll force Divine Dash for all of my 40 heat runs

[lone kernel]

Not a bad strategy. Eris hits hard enough you don’t need an offensive dash

[high island]

Should have gotten Passion Dash, obviously.

[lone kernel]

Sure it won’t be max power like with splash dash but also who cares Eris go brr

[reef zodiac]

It got offered, but I rolled for Special and got stuck with Crush shot. I was so close to having Smoldering Air with my Poseidon call though

[high island]

Like I said.

[reef zodiac]

I ended up with Clockets, so I definitely stand by that roll

It would have been great to have Heartbreak Flourish

[high island]

You don't stand, though. You fell.

To Asterius.

[reef zodiac]

True

It was so promising until that happened

Maybe I should also avoid miniboss chambers even if they have a god I need

Because there’s a 50% chance I have to fight a boss that’s literally harder for me than Hades

[high island]

That's a fair strategy.

[reef zodiac]

Kinda sucks though

[ripe otter]

Y’all ever rock hades spear, get massive spin from first room vaedulus, then get deflect on attack in the next room?

[reef zodiac]

Tbh Asterius miniboss has too much health imo

It’s just like 10x harder than Soul Catcher and it really doesn’t need to be

[reef zodiac]

No. Actually, I’m still mad that Hades spear exists after I had to do 32 heat with it yesterday

[ripe otter]

I like the funny big spin dtick

Stick*

[reef zodiac]

Also, I used Heartbreak Strike not Divine Strike. Way more damage, and free damage reduction

[lone kernel]

Dionysus Eris time because yolo

[ripe otter]

Aight, same run, Aphrodite or Poseidon? I got attack damage boosted from chaos

Otherwise, nothing changed

[signal aspen]

aphro

[ripe otter]

Got dying lament from aphro

Got her again, got epic passion dash

[reef zodiac]

I’m feeling tempted to make a tier list of every single hammer upgrade

[ripe otter]

Just beat a Thanatos room where Than got a fat ZERO kills

[reef zodiac]

Except I don’t know enough about a lot of the hammers

So I’d spend a lot of my time just asking this server how good different hammers are

And that would end up being a kinda weird tier list

[ripe otter]

Crush shot or parting shot? I got base cast

[reef zodiac]

They both aren’t great. Crush shot will do more, but parting shot sells for a lot of gold

[high island]

What are you running, what's your build so far?

[high island]

You take that back, heretic.

[ripe otter]

Hades spear with massive spin hammer upgrade, divine strike, attack upgrade from chaos, passion dash, and dying lament

[high island]

What's the third option?

[ripe otter]

Yea, Aphrodite is wonderful. She got some really good boons

[ripe otter]

Epic life affirmation

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite is the best.

Take that.

[reef zodiac]

Aphrodite has some very good boons. However, Crush Shot is not very good

Expect with Hera

[high island]

Best Cast.

[reef zodiac]

[high island]

Still does the same damage on anything that's not Hera, you know?

[ripe otter]

K BOT, CRUSH SHOT IS THE BEST OK

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but the range is awful

And it’s slow

[high island]

It's fine.

It's not slow.

[ripe otter]

Sounds like you’re a filthy bow main lol

[high island]

You know what's slow?

[lone kernel]

Something that isn’t aphro?

[reef zodiac]

I literally play every weapon. I beat 32 heat with every single aspect lol, Hades spear was my last one and I did it yesterday

[lone kernel]

Crush shot on beowulf 😦 why u no make mirage

that’s all I got

[ripe otter]

Forget it, y’all are useless

[reef zodiac]

Just get good RNG and you’ll get Mirage lol

[lone kernel]

aight gonna mod my switch brb

[ripe otter]

I’ll just take parting garbage and sell it after the boss

[lone kernel]

I should just buy a pc copy already

[reef zodiac]

dream moment

[lone kernel]

I wanna try the all aphro mod

[ripe otter]

Also I need that trash for my prophecies

[lone kernel]

also that botw expansion made by fans looks awesome

[high island]

UnholyPancake when they're trying to run from Asterius's shockwave.

[reef zodiac]

LMAO TRUE

[lone kernel]

hey if you land the crush shot it’ll hit less hard

[void vigil]

steam halloween sale is soonish if you feel like waiting

[lone kernel]

[boreal gale]

Should I use this blood on anything rn or just save it for beo

[lone kernel]

good call, will do

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but I always have Aphro on attack or special anyway

Because it’s really good on attack or special

[ripe otter]

WE HAVE THE TRUE SPIN TO WIN BUILD BABYYYYY

[lone kernel]

can’t justify a ps5 copy since no cross save and I don’t feel like grinding again

[reef zodiac]

There’s no cross save? Why not? It works with Switch and Steam

[boreal gale]

Can you use keyboard and mouse on Xbox?

[lone kernel]

Not to ps5 no

[ripe otter]

Should I trade out my epic skull earring keepsake for a different one?

[void vigil]

https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1404158016329453569

Supergiant Games (@SupergiantGames)

@grahamstanding @frequentbeef @PrivateDivision Due to a variety of technical constraints, we were unable to implement cross-saves in the PlayStation or Xbox versions of Hades. We don't have plans to add this feature later due to those same constraints.

Twitter · Jun 13, 2021, 7:25 PM

[reef zodiac]

Eww yes that keepsake is not good

[void vigil]

i remember when skull earring was the speedrun meta lol

[high island]

It's really good with Stubborn Defiance.

[reef zodiac]

Hades call too good

[boreal gale]

I picked it up for 1 run when I was out of DDs into Styx and won because of it

[lone kernel]

Is cross save usable on the pc game pass tho

That would be free

Oh wait no mods

[ripe otter]

And that’s what I run lmao

[reef zodiac]

True, but if you have SD then you’re probably better off with Acorn because you don’t want Hades to 3-shot you

[boreal gale]

Should I use this blood on anything rn or just save it for beo

[lone kernel]

Whatever, I’ve bought five copies of this game lol (four as gifts)

[reef zodiac]

Wait why? Are you running LC4?

[boreal gale]

How much do I need to invest in total for Beo actually? 5?

[lone kernel]

Max Eris rail is amazing, but do what you want

You need 3 to unlock it

Then 3 per level

[ripe otter]

Tf is that? I don’t know deep meta

[boreal gale]

I have Eris max

[high island]

15 to max Beowulf.

[twin thistle]

max all bow aspects

[lone kernel]

Lasting consequences - no healing

[boreal gale]

I mean how much must be invested into shield to get access to Beo

[reef zodiac]

It’s not “deep meta”, it’s a pact of punishment

[lone kernel]

You kill yourself to heal in every room via stubborn defiance

And you don’t heal otherwise

[reef zodiac]

It’s good for 32+ heat

[lone kernel]

like at all

[ripe otter]

Nope, I just like stubborn

[void vigil]

5, but you need guan yu available

[boreal gale]

I have Guan Yu

[reef zodiac]

Stubborn for low heat is really bad imo

[raw herald]

It is in 32/40 heat speedrun categories, i still take acorn tho

[lone kernel]

Do u have 5 invested in other shields total

[ripe otter]

I die alot

[lone kernel]

If not; do that

You need that for beo

[boreal gale]

Okay so 1 from lv1 chaos, 4 from lv2 Zeus I should be able to get it right?

[ripe otter]

And usually I rock lucky tooth on later regions to act as a backup

[lone kernel]

Yeah also be advised that it doesn’t mean you’ll get it immediately

[boreal gale]

I have done my maths right haven't I?

[reef zodiac]

Then you probably get hit more than like 6 times in the Hades fight, which means you probably would be better off with DDs

[boreal gale]

I know. Chaos hates me and won't give it to me

[wise oasis]

I'm not sure if the level 1 stuff counts

[void vigil]

oh wow i didnt know! i was talking about when like, one or two people speedran the game when it just came out in early access. i wonder if those speedruns are still up

[boreal gale]

I'll just level up Chaos to make sure then

[void vigil]

i think they do count

[reef zodiac]

It is? Why is that better than Hades keepsake

[ripe otter]

Problem is I don’t know what playing safe is. I rush in with whatever weapon I have and spam the buttons with some sort of rhythm

[boreal gale]

All of Aegis' aspects are pretty solid tbh

[reef zodiac]

Well learn? Idk, but if that’s your strategy then you probably die to Hades on almost every run, because you can’t do that with SD on Hades. You’ll die so so fast

[raw herald]

You basically always have the bonus, and 40% global damage all the time is actually pretty nice

[reef zodiac]

Alright fair enough

[ripe otter]

I actually don’t, but that’s prolly because I’m a shield user

[reef zodiac]

I don’t understand. I thought you never played defensively or dodged

[ripe otter]

Oh no, I do play defensively but my defense usually revolves around bull rush because of the block and I do dodge when just blocking doesn’t cut it

[boreal gale]

That's kinda playing safe tho?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it definitely is

[boreal gale]

Zeus or Chaos aspect better for Aegis?

[reef zodiac]

Zeus is better, Chaos is way easier

[raw herald]

Zeus

[reef zodiac]

Zeus is super hard to learn imo

[signal aspen]

Zeus is poggers

[boreal gale]

What form of build should I be using?

What should my boons be ect?

[ripe otter]

I meant I never EVER back off, like the second any attack is over I’m right back to spamming the buttons

[wise oasis]

Zeus and then some more Zeus and then a lil more zeus

[signal aspen]

Make sure to get some zeus

[boreal gale]

So Zeus works with Zeus

[wise oasis]

And if you're feeling spicy throw some Zeus in there

[boreal gale]

Maybe I'll use Zeus

[raw herald]

And then maybe some Aphrodite

[ripe otter]

I’m personally not a fan of blitz disk because it doesn’t work with my play style, but I can see the appeal

[raw herald]

And then back to more zeus

[boreal gale]

I feel like Zeus could work

[twin thistle]

so you can spam even more zeus with smouldering zeus call lol

[signal aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/847191132496330822/Screenshot_279.png

Zeus

[void vigil]

rip, the first patch WR is gone

[boreal gale]

And I need to level up my Thunder Signet anyways.

[wise oasis]

I feel like zeus builds into himself the best out of any god

[boreal gale]

So just get everything Zeus?

[wise oasis]

which makes sense considering zeus is selfish

[wise oasis]

yeah, the more the better

[raw herald]

How much damage was that jolted? Gotta be over 250

[boreal gale]

What's with that border around your stats?

[signal aspen]

Idk the run was from a while ago

[ripe otter]

Alright, chaos time:

Flayed Favor
Pauper’s Grasp
Addled affluence

What do I take?

[signal aspen]

It's a theme

[raw herald]

Show us your current build

[ripe otter]

It won’t let me send pics

[twin thistle]

after some point you can buy themes from the contractor idk what even unlocks it lol

[raw herald]

Can use imgur

[ripe otter]

I have never used Imgur in my life

[twin thistle]

gotta send as an embed

[boreal gale]

Okay Hammer.
Empowering Flight
Sudden Rush
Charged Shot

[signal aspen]

Cshot

[twin thistle]

can just upload it to your own server and then copy link

[boreal gale]

Cshot it is

[reef zodiac]

Charged Shot is one of the best hammers in the game

[raw herald]

Top 3 definitely

[boreal gale]

Special Dash or Attack for Zeus

[ripe otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880906159299645482/884165799235969054/image0.jpg

There we go

[raw herald]

Boon rarity one

[signal aspen]

Special

[boreal gale]

To chaos we go

And there it is lol

That was fast

1:17

[ripe otter]

Hermes, Aphrodite, or health upgrade?

[raw herald]

Hermes

[boreal gale]

Always Hermes

Oh I can get more special damage

But I can't see chamber rewards

[raw herald]

Rip

[boreal gale]

Halting Strike
Enshrouded Flourish
Halting Shot

Or should I reroll

[ripe otter]

Quick reload, swift flourish, or side hustle?

[high island]

always.

[raw herald]

Out of those? Side hustle

I’d reroll for dashes or hyper sprint tho

[ocean oyster]

Wdym?

[ripe otter]

Sadly I don’t got retold

[high island]

Heretics. All of you.

[signal aspen]

Who

[boreal gale]

Lady Aphrodite is good but Lord Hermes is rarer.

Halting Strike
Enshrouded Flourish
Halting Shot
None of these are particular good though.

[high island]

He'll definitely show up again, actually.

[boreal gale]

Oh I didn't know that

[ripe otter]

Aphro best girl but the possibility of being able to dash 5 times is just too good

[high island]

....

[boreal gale]

Gah can someone answer me

[signal aspen]

Aphro is cool but you ever get epic quick recovery

[boreal gale]

Which Chaos boon should I take

[ripe otter]

And that with passion dash makes an Aphrodite boon better, so Hermès best

[boreal gale]

It's amazinf

[ocean oyster]

I got that once and it was awesome

[high island]

https://imgur.com/W5NAKRF

[ripe otter]

Had a winning run with that and dash deflect

[boreal gale]

I'm gonna stab someone if I keep getting ignored.

[ocean oyster]

Lol that’s insanity

[boreal gale]

This is a threat

[high island]

No. Hope you die soon in your run.

[boreal gale]

Me too then I can get beo

Because I got the dialogue

[signal aspen]

Ok then die

[high island]

No, an execution.

[boreal gale]

I wanna try win tho

[ripe otter]

WHATS YOUR WEAPON LEO

[ocean oyster]

What are your choices

[boreal gale]

Zeus Aegis

Halting Strike
Enshrouded Flourish
Halting Shot

[ripe otter]

Enshrouded flourish then

[ocean oyster]

I don’t have the effects memorized Lol

[ripe otter]

Blitz disk kinda nasty with bonus special damage

[boreal gale]

Can't see rooms but after my special will be stronk now

[ocean oyster]

It’s really up to your preference, just gotta read the descriptions and see what build you’re going for

[ripe otter]

I’m an avid chaos taker, so I know the banes and boons

[high island]

There's a faster way. Pause the game and select Give Up, then you're back in the courtyard and can use Beowulf.

[boreal gale]

Funny...

[ocean oyster]

Damn, well if I don’t go into the chaos hole, then does he come back really soon?

[high island]

It is.

Master Chaos's pronouns are they/them.

[wise oasis]

In my experience not taking a chaos gate means chaos barely shows up for the rest of that run

could just be bad luck though

[ocean oyster]

Yeah you’re probably right

[high island]

Just RNG, yeah.

[ocean oyster]

I try to take them as often as possible

[boreal gale]

I rarely take them tbh

[ripe otter]

My old build used to be running cosmic egg for first region, then collar for asphodel, than lucky tooth till I lose it and if I lose it in the third I swap it out for skull earring

[signal aspen]

Chaos gates are poggers

[ripe otter]

Agreed

[ocean oyster]

Yes

[boreal gale]

But last time I took one I got stuck with special only Coronacht

[signal aspen]

Nice

[ocean oyster]

I once was stuck with default cast only but it was in the beginning so it was easy

[ripe otter]

Drunk flourish, Dionysus aid, or positive outlook?

[ocean oyster]

Although due to my habit, I kept accidentally attacking and in turn damaging myself

[signal aspen]

Dio call

[boreal gale]

This was just casually in Elysium

Do you have any idea how hard it is to kill the shielded enemies with only special and cast?

[signal aspen]

I took a chaos curse that did damage to me everytime I attacked during my first 50 heat beo run and died to meg

[ripe otter]

Beat witches circle in 10 seconds

[brisk trail]

I beated Hades 3 times in arrow

[signal aspen]

Now do it again

[ripe otter]

I prolly won’t

[brisk trail]

im tired sir

[signal aspen]

Ok do it tomorrow

[ripe otter]

But lighting reflexes, elec shot, or thunder flourish?

[boreal gale]

Sleep is for the weak

[brisk trail]

after work it will be good stress relief

[signal aspen]

Lightning reflexes

[signal aspen]

Indeed

[chrome wharf]

Try special only fists lol

[ripe otter]

Any other suggestions?

Cause these are all rare

[boreal gale]

That's not as bad as a meagre 13 damage per hit

[ripe otter]

Try special only gun. It sucks

[boreal gale]

Oh god

No hit Alecto

First time doing a no hit Alecto fight too

[signal aspen]

Nice

[boreal gale]

Could I bring hades call into the hades fight and make hades attack hades?

[ripe otter]

I’m actually gonna take thunder flourish because the bolt damage is higher and I like throwing my funny spear

[ripe otter]

No

[signal aspen]

You can

[ripe otter]

WHAT

[signal aspen]

I did it in my last run

[boreal gale]

I'm so doing that

[signal aspen]

It comes with funny dialogue for greater calls

[stoic flame]

yes

[boreal gale]

Into chaos gates agaun

[ripe otter]

Epic elec shot, heaven’s vengeance, or double strike?

[boreal gale]

It shouldn't be allowed

For me to be offered

Heroic Mistral Dash

[ripe otter]

Aight I’m taking elec shot

[stoic flame]

do you have any other zeus

boon

im guessing you do if you got double strike offered

[ripe otter]

Thunder flourish, and I already took it

[stoic flame]

which weapon

[ripe otter]

Hades spear with massive spin and divine strike

[stoic flame]

double strike is the best out of the three i reckon

because

free damage

[ripe otter]

So basically the ultimate no no circle

[chrome wharf]

you have to run after enemies after every uppercut so it balances out

[boreal gale]

Epic greatest reflex

[ripe otter]

Damn you lucky

[stoic flame]

nice

[boreal gale]

Poseidon Dash is now my main form of attack it seems

With the mixture of Dem cast, Zeus Special on Zeus Shield and epic 5 Poseidon dashes I am stronger than literally anyone this game can throw at me

[twin thistle]

time to fight max heat dad

[proud zodiac]

Got my first extreme measures Hades win

[boreal gale]

Nice!

[remote pebble]

how many tries did it take you to beat him?

I've tried once, did not go well, lol

[proud zodiac]

Like 5 or 6 tries

[ripe otter]

Chain skewer, breaching skewer, or triple jab?

[proud zodiac]

Breaching skewer

[raw herald]

What aspect?

But in general all of those are pretty awful

[ripe otter]

Hades

[ripe otter]

Agreed, I don’t need special upgrades, I need more spin boosters

[lone kernel]

Sorry just saw this. There’s a few contractor upgrades that give you a Pom slice when u get a nectar, 20 gold for gems, a reroll for keys, and 5 max hp for darkness. Dark regen means you’ll be more enticed by the darkness while the roll is almost always a better call. Does that make sense?

[ripe otter]

I’ll just take triple jab…

Actually, nvm, it’s Elysium and breaching skewer sounds great for the armor hell that is Elysium in general

Alright, epic greater evasion or normal greatest reflex?

[twin thistle]

reflex

[ripe otter]

Anyone else think otherwise?

[lone kernel]

Reflex

[raw herald]

Reflex

[ripe otter]

Well ok

[boreal gale]

Damn lost to Hades

Sad

However max affection for Than and Meg now

[lone kernel]

Based

[brisk trail]

idk how to get max affection

it needs like a key heart idek

[boreal gale]

Just keep talking with them

[brisk trail]

ive spent a lot longer on thus game than i thought i would 😭

[boreal gale]

Oh wait but with Beo you take more damage?

[lone kernel]

Most of us here have haha

[raw herald]

You have a block that covers 210 degrees

[mint coral]

Is not even 1 level of hard labor anyways

[lone kernel]

Yes. But you can also block in an arc greater than 180 degrees (I think 215) so it’s ok

Oh 210

[ripe otter]

Theseus time

[lone kernel]

Either way, lots lol

[boreal gale]

So does every aspect have a drawback and an improvement?

Like Gilgamesh is maimed enemies deal more damage

OK so how should I build beo?

[raw herald]

Flood flare, pom it, mirage shot

Can also go passion flare or trippy flare but that needs more

And charged shot

[boreal gale]

Flood flare?

[raw herald]

Poseidon cast

[boreal gale]

I thought it was flood shot

[raw herald]

They’re all called flares on Beowulf

[boreal gale]

Oh

[raw herald]

Because they look different

They are AOE explosions

[boreal gale]

OH

[lone kernel]

also remap your controller so you can cast while charging bull rush

my controller has back paddles, so I can just use my middle finger to load casts mid bull rush

[twin thistle]

same for hera bow

[lone kernel]

Yep

[wise oasis]

I use right click

[twin thistle]

made me stick cast on rb lol

[lone kernel]

If you don’t have back buttons, left trigger works

If you’re kbm, ask someone else

[boreal gale]

How would I do that? While bull rushing spam the joystick?

I really need to change my controls

[lone kernel]

Right button

Or left button

If you don’t have the back buttons

You could also make left stick click (I use that to reload the rail, but if I’m not playing the rail, free button)

man I want an elite Xbox controller lol

[twin thistle]

i just stuck reload on rt

[lone kernel]

The point is being able to reload/load casts while not having to move hand off dash button

[raw herald]

I use left bumper

[lone kernel]

RT is my call

LT is summon

ABXY for cast dash special attack, with back buttons mapped to A and X so I can cast/special with my thumb never needing to leave my dash and attack buttons

it’s done literal miracles for my janky ass arm@

[twin thistle]

my controls are like uh dash on lb, call lt, cast rb, reload rt, call r3

[boreal gale]

What do you mean by back buttons

[lone kernel]

I put a pic in victory boating

[twin thistle]

elite controllers have paddles/buttons on the back side where your middle through pinky fingers rest

[boreal gale]

Yeah I don't have those

[lone kernel]

Power A switch controller for thirty bucks yeeeehaw

Ok then for beo make your cast LB or left stick (button preferable, mashing a stick is bad for your controller)

[boreal gale]

If I just keep my controls normal can I load casts and bull rush at the same time?

[lone kernel]

Not easily

[boreal gale]

Should I just put my cast as reload then

[lone kernel]

It’s doable, but you’re invincible while bull rushing, so u wanna be rushing a lot

[twin thistle]

put cast on a bumper or trigger

id do the same with dash

[boreal gale]

Left bumper isn't used for anything is it?

[lone kernel]

Nope!

[twin thistle]

idk. thats where my dash is

[lone kernel]

Trigger is summon by default so just be careful

[boreal gale]

I'll put it there then

I always use my summons and its so irritating

[lone kernel]

you will misclick and waste a Meg lol

but

eventually you won’t any more

Beo is weird

[twin thistle]

my summon is right click

[boreal gale]

Oh, it's just one Numbskull?
MEGAERA

Makes me die inside

[lone kernel]

I mean that numbskull’s super dead

[boreal gale]

I once used my summon on a tiny rat right before Hades and then got curb stomped by him

Why have I still not got my Meg dialogue BTW?

[mint coral]

My summon is swapped for special unless beo/hera then special goes into default cast

[lone kernel]

Do more runs is always the answer to “why hasn’t xyz happened yet”

[boreal gale]

Im gonna get all the Hidden Aspects before I get the damn dialogue

I've now maxed out my affection for two people

And I haven't had dialogue for either

Angry

Wait I have every Hidden Aspect aside from bow I think

Arthur, Guan Yu, Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Lucifer.

[twin thistle]

hidden bow is from artemis

[remote pebble]

which makes a lot of sense

[boreal gale]

It does

So what other characters can drain me of all my Ambrosia?

And then not give me dialogue?

(Yes I'm salty)

I've done like 7 runs

I want my dialogue

[twin thistle]

just do more

[boreal gale]

I got Beo after one

One

[lone kernel]

RNJesus will give it to you when he deems you worthy

[boreal gale]

I got Arthur, and Lucifer after one too

And then some Dialogue with Meg takes seven

Makes sense

[lone kernel]

I wish there was a do x, get y I could give you

There isn’t

[boreal gale]

I should probably sleep and maybe Meg won't be so stubborn in the morning.

[twin thistle]

just go and progress other people and forget about meg till she talks to you lol

[boreal gale]

I'll just focus on maxing Beo for rn

Then starts the speedruns

[reef zodiac]

Beo is a really hard beginner speedrun aspect

[ripe otter]

Died to Asterius, floored Alecto with shield next run

[twin thistle]

wait so does hermes attack speed on the bow only make charging regular attacks faster?

[ripe otter]

All common: mistral dash, frozen touch, or rare crop?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah, doesn’t apply to dash strikes

[brisk trail]

touch is neat

[reef zodiac]

It kinda sucks (swift strike on bow)

[wise oasis]

Crop because red!

[lone kernel]

I like frozen touch

[wise oasis]

Nah 40% slow is solid

Oh lmao

[twin thistle]

when youre pretty much supposed to only really use dash strikes with the bow

[wise oasis]

Unfortunate timing on that

[lone kernel]

but whatever lol none of those are amazing

[reef zodiac]

Exactly

[lone kernel]

sword?

def gotta dash strike once in a while there lol

[reef zodiac]

Swift strike is rarely that strong tbh

It’s good on Arthur

It can be good on fists

But the fact that it doesn’t apply to dash strikes makes it very niche imo

It’s good on flurry shot

It’s great for Lucifer

[ripe otter]

Wait, so which one do I take?

[reef zodiac]

Especially with Eternal Chamber

[reef zodiac]

Man idk it doesn’t really matter

For tiny choices like that, really don’t worry about it too much

[ripe otter]

Mist dash it is

[twin thistle]

you dont need to ask for every single boon lol

[reef zodiac]

^

I only ask for hammers when I’m unfamiliar with an aspect

[ripe otter]

Bro I’m garbage I don’t know what’s good and what’s a waste of a boon

[lone kernel]

Part of the game is experimenting

[remote pebble]

yea, I feel like the actual live gameplay is almost more important than the boon choices

[reef zodiac]

Then play the game and learn with your own experience

[lone kernel]

If there isn’t an obvious “that boon gud” then take one you haven’t played with much

And don’t feel like you can’t ask questions, but outsourcing small decisions like that will cause you to fall into overthinking

but nothing on those three will win or lose you the run by itself

[reef zodiac]

Is Breaching Slash decent? I’m actually curious because I really can’t tell if I like it

[lone kernel]

in elysium it really shines

or v lernie heads

I’d take double edge over it, but it’s better than you think it is

[reef zodiac]

Well double edge is one of the best hammers in the game and is probably twice as good as the second best sword hammer

[ripe otter]

Personally, anything breaching makes armor hell (also known as Elysium) a bearable experience

[reef zodiac]

Ok cool, thanks!

[twin thistle]

anti armor on melee weapons always feels quite good

[lone kernel]

Breaching cross 💚

[reef zodiac]

Piercing fire doesn’t do a whole lot though, especially if you have Zeus attack on your rail

[brisk trail]

prob bc rails are starving for special boons but it shines with hestia

[twin thistle]

i like how im currently in chamber 31 on a darkness farming run and havent seen a single chaos room yet

charon hasnt been helping either

[ripe otter]

Legit question: would purging merciful end be a good choice? I have deflect on attack and doom on special with aspect of chaos for shield

[lone kernel]

Hestia likes it, but otherwise yeah just take the rail specials

[reef zodiac]

Oh true I forgot about Hestia lol

[twin thistle]

definitely not

[reef zodiac]

Hestia really likes Ricochet Fire though

[lone kernel]

Divine dash is needed to really make ME shine, but no, I wouldn’t lol

[remote pebble]

darkness farming is just doing a run where you already have the bounties, right?

[ripe otter]

Pretty much

You just rock your best weapon and floor every boss on zero heat

[jade zenith]

you ideally want to be using dark thirst as well but it doesn't matter

[remote pebble]

yea, with dark thirst

[jade zenith]

actually winning the run is more important

[twin thistle]

annnnnd im at champions and not a single chaos room

lol champs dead in like 30 seconds

[ripe otter]

MINOTAUR RUSH BABYYYYY

[reef zodiac]

How good is Minotaur Rush?

[ripe otter]

For how I play with shield amazing

[reef zodiac]

I came here to ask that before you even said this lmao

I’m ask for advice from players who are more experienced than I am lol

What do you guys think about Minotaur Rush?

[ripe otter]

I think it’s hella good if you can get the timing down

It’s like the charged bow shot but on an overpowered weapon

[reef zodiac]

Also what do you guys think about Dashing Flight

[twin thistle]

huge catch in satyr sack room

[ripe otter]

Is that one the 200% throw damage while dashing?

[twin thistle]

well maybe ill get one from dad

[reef zodiac]

And it moves faster, yeah

[ripe otter]

If so, if you got good effects on your throw it’s kinda busted

Like, toss doom or thunder on that and it’s disgusting

[twin thistle]

uhhh

dont think it would effect those

probably just damage of the throw itself

wonder if it works with chaos shields though

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it doesn’t do that

[reef zodiac]

That is a good question

[ripe otter]

The faster it moves, the faster it comes back to you meaning the faster you can throw it again and use those effects again

[reef zodiac]

Oh I guess that’s true? But it doesn’t really move that much faster

It’s honestly not very noticeable

[ripe otter]

As a shield main it’s a noticeable speed boost

[twin thistle]

well thunder is mostly for zeus shield and doom needs another boon to stack

[ripe otter]

They’re just examples

But imagine doom stack on blitz disk

[reef zodiac]

Eww that sounds truly terrible

[twin thistle]

ehhhh

[reef zodiac]

That’s absolutely awful damage

[twin thistle]

just use zeus

[reef zodiac]

Just take Zeus

[brisk trail]

merciful end is ok on zeus shield

[strong ridge]

forbidden blade cast

[remote pebble]

I did not know that Hades vases counted as traps... Hades isn't negatively affected by them, though, right?

[reef zodiac]

Ares on Zeus shield might be the literal worst thing you could put on your special. I’d rather have Demeter tbh. Or Dionysus

[twin thistle]

so huh apparently going from styx into dads room doesnt tick my consumables. still have pats jerky noice

[reef zodiac]

Correct

[ripe otter]

I don’t like Zeus shield, doesn’t fit my play style

[reef zodiac]

Zeus shield is so strong

[reef zodiac]

What do you use, Zag shield?

[strong ridge]

beowulf supremacy

[reef zodiac]

Because if it’s Zag shield, then I wouldn’t advise using bull rush very often

[twin thistle]

doesnt hades take damage if you walk him into a vase. probably not much though

[reef zodiac]

Beo and Zeus are probably in the top 5 best aspects in the game

Best as in strongest

[brisk trail]

hades takes vase dmg ye

[twin thistle]

zag shield is just ehh

[remote pebble]

ohh..

[reef zodiac]

He does? Ohh I didn’t know that

[reef zodiac]

I hate Zag shield

[ripe otter]

Epic blood frenzy moment

[reef zodiac]

Eww

Blood frenzy

[ripe otter]

Yep

[reef zodiac]

Are you aware that your bull rush does way less damage than your attack because the Zag aspect bonus doesn’t apply to it?

Using bull rush with Zag shield is crippling your damage output

[twin thistle]

bruh

[reef zodiac]

If you want to bull rush, I highly suggest aspect of Chaos

[twin thistle]

when a darkness farming run turns into my fastest lmao

[brisk trail]

I found an easy way to do some damage on Electo. Probably been discovered but I felt smart when i figured it out

[strong ridge]

nascar

[twin thistle]

got 0 chaos rooms, went unoptimal af and was a sub 15 lol

[remote pebble]

I read Electro and was wondering why the Spiderman mention... lol

[brisk trail]

lol

[ripe otter]

Just realized I am actually using chaos shield

[reef zodiac]

Lmaooo how could you not know that

[twin thistle]

bruh moment

[reef zodiac]

I hope you’re putting a strong boon on your special

[ripe otter]

Doom

[reef zodiac]

That’s your best source of damage with Chaos

[brisk trail]

I found when she's doing her flippy bombarding thing, you just dash around one of the two floor spike pillars and she'll hover over them and get spiked

[reef zodiac]

Oooh no that’s terrible for shotgunning. If you put Aphrodite, then bull rush into an enemy, then special, all 5 shields will hit the enemy for insane damage

[ripe otter]

I sadly don’t got all 5. Only 1

[reef zodiac]

Doom seems cool in theory for spreading the doom, but it actually is really slow

[reef zodiac]

? You have 1 extra shield? Oh

Well that’s actually really sad

Chaos shield is one of those aspects that really needs to be max level

[ripe otter]

This is a sorta fresh switch file, tf you think I’m gonna have max chaos shield?

[remote pebble]

no wonder I found Chaos shield a little underwhelming

[reef zodiac]

Only took me week or so for max level Chiron

[twin thistle]

pretty much depends on how good you are

[reef zodiac]

I kinda assumed people wouldn’t use an aspect like Chaos at lvl 1

[ripe otter]

Aight, battle rage or urge to kill? Already know blood frenzy kinda bad

[twin thistle]

you need clears to get lots of titan blood

[reef zodiac]

It’s super super bad at a low level

[strong ridge]

utk

[ripe otter]

Bet

[reef zodiac]

There are definitely aspects that are good at lvl 1. Hera bow is pretty decent. Rama isn’t at its best but it’s pretty decent. Beowulf is perfectly fine. Arthur doesn’t really care about level almost at all. Poseidon sword is alright at a lower level.

Demeter fists are stronger at a higher level but if you don’t really use the special too much then they’re fine at lvl 1

[strong ridge]

gilga
luci
beo
spear zag
a lot of aspects r fine at lvl 1 some just really benefit from the blood

[reef zodiac]

zag spear is actually still terrible at lvl 5 so I have to disagree there

[strong ridge]

exactly

[ripe otter]

Support Fire POG

[reef zodiac]

Never use Zag spear it’s super not fun or interesting

[strong ridge]

yes

[reef zodiac]

SF on shield is like… really really weak lmao

[strong ridge]

sf on beo is cool

[ripe otter]

I like hades spear more

[reef zodiac]

Mmm idk if it is

[strong ridge]

it is

when u load the cast free shot

[reef zodiac]

Ewwww Hades spear is even worse because at least Zag spear can get flurry jab

Hades spear is my least favorite aspect in the game for sure

I hate that aspect so much

[void cedar]

so are there special hammers for each aspect?

[strong ridge]

“use it when they spawn in!!”
yes

[reef zodiac]

Only the hidden aspects

[raw herald]

Compared to snow burst which is a huge AOE, support fire isn't amazing

[void cedar]

i didnt know this

[reef zodiac]

Snow Burst

[void cedar]

i though i was just unlucky

[reef zodiac]

Support Fire sucks on Beo imo

I don’t see how it’s ever worth picking

[strong ridge]

bc artemis on beo sucks

[reef zodiac]

Nah

[strong ridge]

ya

[reef zodiac]

Artemis attack is pretty good

Also, MIRAGE SHOT

So Artemis is literally in the top 3 best gods for Beo just bc MS exists

[strong ridge]

her atk/flourish

is suck for beo

[ripe otter]

COV or impending doom? I keep asking cause im not well versed in ares boons

[reef zodiac]

You’re actually wrong lmao

[ripe otter]

Im an Aphrodite and Artemis kind of player

[raw herald]

Beowulf gives +100% attack damsge

You know what God works well when you have a bunch of attack damage? Artemis

And then charged shot also exists

[reef zodiac]

Exactly

Artemis is amazing for Beowulf

[void cedar]

artemis seems like top 3 best gods no matter what

[reef zodiac]

Partly because the attack is good, but mostly because Mirage Shot is literally broken

Ares, Demeter, and Dionysus are the only gods I don’t like in this game

[twin thistle]

when the only fish youre missing is tartarus legendary https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/884199300849086494/58c63c2a-593d-47a2-a073-aa29cb3fd2e0.jpg

[ripe otter]

Actually I’ll take COV because I take damage a lot and combining that with ME is kinda yucky

[reef zodiac]

I think Nyaanyaa was right

Aphrodite is the best god

She still has bad boons though

[ripe otter]

Patroclus or hammer?

[reef zodiac]

Bruh I can’t make all your decisions for you

Depends on your build

Depends on how many DDs you have

[twin thistle]

do you need heals/dds or do you need hammer

[ripe otter]

My brain runs on ADD and 4 brain cells

I have SD btw

[reef zodiac]

Well then always take Patroclus with SD

ToSD is literally one of the strongest things in the whole game

[void cedar]

is it weird to dislike playing on controller for hades?

[ripe otter]

WE GOT STUBBORN ROOTS BABYYYYYY

[reef zodiac]

Lmao

[void vigil]

please dont evade the swear filter!

[ripe otter]

Aight, mb. Just really excited

[reef zodiac]

Stubborn roots is probably in my personal bottom 5 worst boons in the game. Maybe bottom 10 at best imo

But if you like it that’s good for you

[ripe otter]

I am a SD user, it’s kinda yucky

[reef zodiac]

Yucky as in really bad?

[raw herald]

Stubborn defiance is very good at high heat

It bypasses LC

[reef zodiac]

Yucky as in it leads to 40+ minute clear times?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah ik, I run 32-40 heat lol

[raw herald]

I know

[reef zodiac]

But at lower heat, I highly suggest against SD

Especially if you use it as a crutch

[ripe otter]

As in good for long fights

[reef zodiac]

Which it sounds like you do

[reef zodiac]

I guess that’s fair

Well

[sleek arrow]

Anyone know of a good app for hades to read up on things?

[ripe otter]

Didn’t mean to edit that

[reef zodiac]

I think it’s good for learning long fights

[ripe otter]

I do use SD as a crutch

[reef zodiac]

I don’t really think it’s actually good

[reef zodiac]

I can tell. You may want to work on that

Or not lol

Play however you want to

[jade zenith]

if I wanted to learn long fights without having a mod to reset from the start of the room then I would be using DDs instead

[ripe otter]

Nah, once I actually learn the patterns I’ll prolly start rocking DD

[void vigil]

what do you want to read on? the hades wiki has a lot of info but it wont tell you what builds to choose

[jade zenith]

just not attacking and learning how to dodge

[reef zodiac]

What does Flurry Fire mean by “more accurate”? Is the rail actually more accurate?

[ripe otter]

I’m learning boss patterns and how to respond with my kind of play style

[reef zodiac]

I checked the wiki and it says it’s 60% faster but says nothing about increased accuracy

[ripe otter]

We at the Styx boys

[twin thistle]

when poseidon gives you oceans bounty after 3 boons and 3 rerolls so you have no dice to reroll chaos

[ripe otter]

Aaaand we got dire misfortune

[stuck sentinel]

I started using stubborn for lc4 and all that and now i've gotten so used to it that if i switch back to dds i play way to recklessly and lose them

[reef zodiac]

That’s unfortunate

[ripe otter]

And of course we get impending doom right after

[reef zodiac]

No offense ButterStick but you don’t need to update us on every boon you pick up

[ripe otter]

Fair enough, I’ll shut up until I win, which isn’t long from now

Damn soul statues got me while I was charging

[manic bobcat]

soul statues?

[ripe otter]

The things that spawn in phase two do hades

The fight, that is

[twin thistle]

vases ig

[reef zodiac]

Yeah vases

[reef zodiac]

What were you charging I don’t understand

[ripe otter]

Bull rush

I was in the middle of my bull rush dash and hit a vase

[reef zodiac]

Those only explode when either you or Hades hits them with an attack

[reef zodiac]

[ripe otter]

That’s it, I’m going all in for getting better. MAX HEAT EXAGRYPH SPECIAL ONLY

[reef zodiac]

Max heat? Wym

[ripe otter]

51 heat

[reef zodiac]

Not only is that not max

[ripe otter]

Ik, its 55

[reef zodiac]

But you’re also definitely not good enough to do it

[reef zodiac]

It’s 64

No offense

But there’s no way you do 51 heat without a ton more practice

[modern garnet]

Exagryph special only definitely isn't the worst thing you can do with gun

[reef zodiac]

No probably not

[ripe otter]

What’s the worst?

[reef zodiac]

But it would definitely suck

[twin thistle]

kinda reliant on hammers being not trash though

[reef zodiac]

Idk why I thought you were actually serious about trying that

[ripe otter]

Hell nah, that’s suicide

[reef zodiac]

Also, why 51?

[ripe otter]

Because that’s my max rn

[reef zodiac]

Wym

I thought the only pact that doesn’t start automatically unlocked was EM4

Meaning your max should be 59

[raw herald]

RI

[reef zodiac]

Ohhh

How do you unlock RI?

[jade zenith]

you have to have access to all mirror upgrades

[reef zodiac]

Right

[jade zenith]

you can't take RI if you haven't spent the 30 keys

[reef zodiac]

That would make sense

Wait it’s only 30 keys?

[ripe otter]

Yeah I haven’t done that yet, I’m trying to farm up nectar for diamonds for more stuff from contractors

[reef zodiac]

Isn’t that like… really easy to get?

Even without trading with the broker

You can just prioritize taking keys in runs

You should be able to get at least 2 a run

[modern garnet]

Well you only get 1 or 2 keys at a time

Yeah that's 15 runs!

[reef zodiac]

Yeah?

That’s not a lot of runs

[twin thistle]

quite a few lol

[reef zodiac]

I’m sure they’ve done well over 15 runs

[modern garnet]

Well yeah but you also need to unlock the rest of the mirror

Which costs like 50 more keys

30 is just the last slice

[jade zenith]

if you have the gemstone drops from bosses and trade them in then it is very easy

[reef zodiac]

Ohhh

I thought it was 30 total

[modern garnet]

Yeah it doesn't take that long to get mirror once you start trading big gems

[jade zenith]

but otherwise, it is going to take quite a bit of time

[reef zodiac]

True. Vanquisher’s Keep helps a ton

[ripe otter]

What’s that?

[twin thistle]

contractor upgrade that gives gems from beating bosses

from context

[ripe otter]

Sounds amazing

[reef zodiac]

Google it lol

[merry bane]

sooo

fun fact

on em4, hades has 3 phases

[void cedar]

yesir

[merry bane]

still beat him

didnt die

lets goo

[void cedar]

the first time i tried

i was caught off guard by his spin attack going twice

[twin thistle]

when you reroll chaos twice and no +darkness

[merry bane]

[twin thistle]

pokedex completed https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/825862916561305643/884212490626555944/39b1e605-35d7-4eda-84e0-651a44181bc6.png

[merry bane]

bruh

https://imgur.com/kmQAirG almost done

[reef zodiac]

Is that the only aspect you don’t have maxed?

[merry bane]

only one on stygius

i dont have many other weapon aspects maxed

i only have the zag aspects on the fists and rail maxed. other than that, no others are maxed

[reef zodiac]

Why are you upgrading the zag aspects?

[merry bane]

cheap, with good bonuses

[reef zodiac]

Mmm well I’d agree with the first part

[merry bane]

double rail ammo

[reef zodiac]

The bonus from Zag rail only really matters with Spread Fire

Double ammo doesn’t do much when you know how to reload

[merry bane]

double rail ammo

[reef zodiac]

Yeah that’s almost worthless lmao

Just reload

[merry bane]

factually incorrect

[reef zodiac]

???

There’s a reason that flurry fire is a terrible hammer

[merry bane]

big dps, with less wasted time reloading

[reef zodiac]

If you know how to reload, you will rarely waste any time

And it doesn’t change the DPS at all

[merry bane]

reloading is the waste of time

[chrome sorrel]

Should i be using olympian favor or dark foresight

[reef zodiac]

No. Reloading at the wrong time is a waste of time. Just reload while you’re moving or while enemies are spawning

I’ve literally speedran multiple rail aspects lmao

[merry bane]

alright, fair. better damage per clip

[reef zodiac]

I’m not clueless about this stuff

[reef zodiac]

Right but you can just reload

[merry bane]

i dislike reloading

[reef zodiac]

Well then say that

[merry bane]

i think my time is better doing damage

i thought you got that, sorry

[twin thistle]

well you can reload while dashing and using special

[reef zodiac]

No you’re misunderstanding how the rail works (Omni)

[twin thistle]

it really doesnt matter compared to something like eris rail

[reef zodiac]

You can just reload while you’re moving or while enemies are spawning

[merry bane]

yes

but

[reef zodiac]

Or while using special

Reloading almost never slows me down with Eris or SF Zag

And I literally have speedrun both of those aspects

[merry bane]

ok, agree to disagree

[reef zodiac]

I mean sure?

[merry bane]

this is a tiring argument that isnt going anywhere, for either side

[reef zodiac]

But like it really just comes down to a skill issue

[errant root]

What are yall talking about?

[reef zodiac]

You like to have more ammo because you don’t know how to reload. No shame in that, but it doesn’t make sense to act like it’s objectively better

[errant root]

Soo we are talking about the gun

[raw herald]

Pew pew pew

[reef zodiac]

Specifically Zag aspect

[errant root]

Used it once got bored coz no ammo and that it

[raw herald]

Flurry fire does kinda mess with the internal cooldown of lightning strike tho

[merry bane]

i know how to reload, i just dont like doing it, because i usually run out of ammo during the fight, not in a convenient time

[reef zodiac]

If you knew how to reload at good times then you wouldn’t care about extra ammo because it wouldn’t get in your way

[errant root]

Dont you have an upgrade that gives you infinite ammo

[merry bane]

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it’s not very good

[errant root]

Why

You deal less dmg or what

I mean i didn't play hades for a while coz my pc died