h1-discussion

[heady cypress]

The German description is confusing it says smth like after your special you can get your spear back with the furious rush

[strong ridge]

not incorrect

but not very descriptive

[heady cypress]

But how is that the same as this

[mint coral]

is both effects

[strong ridge]

ya

[mint coral]

the rush gives the bonus

[heady cypress]

What's the rush btw

Dash attack?

[strong ridge]

play it

the game

with the aspect

[mint coral]

instead of the spear coming back to you, you go zoom to it

[heady cypress]

I don't have titanblood lol

[jade zenith]

you rush towards the place where you through your spear and get the buff

[heady cypress]

Just bought hades with 2 tb

[mint coral]

pear

[heady cypress]

Pear?

[mint coral]

beep made a typo but already changed it ww

[heady cypress]

Oh

[lone kernel]

So the base spear does what, 20 damage (I’m making up numbers for easy math). Button input special, special, attack x4 - those 20s are now 45 for the next four attacks

It also applies to cast, so special special castx3, those casts now have a buff

[heady cypress]

Sounds good

[lone kernel]

And if they’re blade rifts or meme beams, that will last the duration of the cast

Not the first hit only

It effectively doubles your cast dps

[heady cypress]

The memebeam was bad tho

[raw herald]

It can be good

[mint coral]

this beo trippy flare run is making me get all boons i havent got in so much time lmao

[heady cypress]

Do you need a proper build to use it?

[mint coral]

rip current, bad news, etc

[raw herald]

You would want crystal clarity and glacial glare

Extra casts with stygian soul can also make it really good

[merry bane]

hellooooo nurse
https://imgur.com/fWQgjnA

[mint coral]

rip current is such a fun boon

[lime echo]

Is there anyway to disable that slow down that happens when you get hit? I feel like that's messing me up with Personal Liability more than anything

[merry bane]

doesnt the athena poseidon duo do that?

'cant be stunned,' or something like that

[wise oasis]

It should

[short glen]

[leaden geyser]

alright, why doesn't asterius bull rush stop when he hits second phase

[wise oasis]

Bosses finish their attack then switch phases

[leaden geyser]

in this case he switched my life status to dead

[merry bane]

https://imgur.com/JFyZ6yZ

https://imgur.com/Bwc6gWc

lets gooo

[heady cypress]

Does the guan yu variant decrease the hp you get later on?

And what exactly do you get in exchange

[merry bane]

big damage, and im pretty sure yes, it does

[jade zenith]

at max rank you only lose 50%

[heady cypress]

So it's like HL4?

[reef zodiac]

Just died to EM4 at 42 heat with Beowulf

[heady cypress]

Was hl the correct abbreviation?

[jade zenith]

it is a heavier weapon compared to the normal spear but with a different spin attack

[azure osprey]

After playing with every hidden aspect

I have to conclude

Spear is the worst one

[reef zodiac]

And a really good special

Yeah Guan Yu kinda sucks

[heady cypress]

That's the first one you get right? Or Is it not scripted

[jade zenith]

it is the first one you get

[azure osprey]

You NEED

To get that one

You can’t get anything else before that

[jade zenith]

the spin attack has life steal but it isn't even close to enough

[heady cypress]

1%?

[jade zenith]

1 health per hit

[reef zodiac]

It’s not percentage based

[heady cypress]

Jesus

[azure osprey]

Don’t do the same mistake I did

And get Poseidon on the attack

[jade zenith]

the only time you ever use the spin for healing is with LC4

[azure osprey]

It RUINED

[heady cypress]

Any good builds for Achilles?

[azure osprey]

The health regen

It was literally impossible to get up

[jade zenith]

I found that I lost more hp from getting hit whilst trying to charge up the spin than I actually gained by using it

[mint coral]

You only use spin beetween enemy waves, quick spin helps too

[azure osprey]

That’s why both spin aspects suck

[reef zodiac]

Especially with FO1-2 and Hard Labor

That’s why I basically only use special and dash-strikes with Guan Yu

Occasionally I steal a few health with the spin but generally I just don’t bother

[heady cypress]

I mean the spear btw

[wise oasis]

Hunting blades, flurry jab sea storm

[earnest otter]

yknow. theres a bit of a missed opportunity when it comes to the name of one of the enemies
Snakestones could have been named Serpentine (which is an actual stone that is green)

[umbral whale]

As much as i love Hestia i dont know if its very good for speedrunning.

[heady cypress]

How do you get these

[wise oasis]

Hunting blades is Arti ares duo

Flurry jab is a hammer

[limber fossil]

This even without sea storm is crazy good

[wise oasis]

100%, just said sea storm because I am lazy and was the only thing that came to mind

[thorn marsh]

its actually great for speedrunning

with optimal play ofc it can go very fast

[brisk trail]

great game.

[olive goblet]

Yes

[limber fossil]

What boons should I use with aspect of Demeter

[south lagoon]

Dem has some good cast boons like Snow Burst if you are playing cast

and uhh the one that resets your rarity. what's that one called. that one is good esp if you get it early

oh wait you said aspect of dem

[raw herald]

You can do a merciful end build, that's Ares attack, Athena special and dash, and their duo boon

[limber fossil]

I can try that, I also thought of that one boon that makes doom stack or something

[south lagoon]

that one's good on merciful end, so is impending doom if you get it

they won't kill things as quickly as ME can but for me i also think status effect builds are fun on Dem fists. Drunken Strike + Passion Dash is fun and Dio has some good Hangover Duos. you can stack status effects really quickly on your attack with the fists

like it's easier to take advantage of Chill's high stacking + accessory boons that make it more powerful, if you want to try Dem on Dem

[limber fossil]

Oh I never thought of using status effects but that would probably work well

Along with the mirror upgrade

[south lagoon]

yeah privileged status is useful on the mirror if you are going with a build that frequently applies 2+ status effects

[boreal gale]

Any things I should know about using Rail? What boons should I look out for?

[lone kernel]

Start Zeus attack, win

[boreal gale]

I'm starting with Zeus attaxk

[lone kernel]

And take jolted ASAP

Hammers the special ones are usually better

Remember to reload in downtime

[plucky jay]

hey

question

[lone kernel]

Remap reload to a not less awkward button if u haven’t already

[plucky jay]

i beat hades once and met mom, if i keep winning will i eventually meet the gods?

[lone kernel]

Keep doing runs, you’ll see 😉

[plucky jay]

no

il just look it up

thanks

[boreal gale]

Damn rail is strong

[tulip ridge]

Wooooooo I got the credits

Shame it doesn’t show a boon summary though, this was one of my best builds

[lone kernel]

Congrats!

[boreal gale]

Dio Special on Rail?

[boreal gale]

Nice! Now the fun really begins.

[lone kernel]

Nope, you want chunk damage on special. Take the cast if you want

Which rail aspect actually

[boreal gale]

I'll go for Pom instead

[lone kernel]

It could maybe work as a meme on Lucifer

[boreal gale]

Eris I think

[lone kernel]

yes Eris cult grows

[tulip ridge]

Artemis attack with support fire on Lucifer :)

And the hammer that gives it infinite ammo

[boreal gale]

Dash into explosion=profit

[lone kernel]

@boreal gale just get as much Zeus as possible; splash dash if available, and a chunk special (aphro Artemis Demeter all work)

if you get splitting bolt and jolted you’re basically gonna win lol

I got it in Tartarus last night and it was 34 heat and a breeze lol

Eris is that busted

[boreal gale]

I already have a duo boon lmao

I don't have a cast, a special or a dash

And I have a duo

[lone kernel]

Which duo

[boreal gale]

Lightning Rod

[lone kernel]

So you have Artemis aid?

[boreal gale]

I have Rare Special Lightning Rod or Epic Storm Lightninf

[lone kernel]

Not a bad option

[boreal gale]

All are good options

[lone kernel]

Storm

Special on Zeus doesn’t hit enough to make it worth it w rail, lightning rod is kinda Garbo, storm lightning is meh but opens up splitting bolt

[boreal gale]

The 6 extra chains are nice tho

[lone kernel]

Can’t hurt lol

[boreal gale]

It can hurt them

[lone kernel]

The main reason I take storm there is because then you can get Zeus legendary

Would have liked to see a jolted there early tho haha

[boreal gale]

I'm gonna have lv 4 attack lmao

[limber fossil]

So I have everything for a merciful end build on aspect of dem, is the strat just to punch and dash until they die?

[boreal gale]

Dash strike everything

[limber fossil]

Does that both apply doom and proc merciful end?

[lone kernel]

Yep

brrrrrt

[limber fossil]

Dang

[lone kernel]

Typically that’s enough haha

[limber fossil]

I have an epic rarity level 5 ares attack too

[boreal gale]

If you can the hammer that does +900% dash strike damage to Armored then you're going to shred everything

[lone kernel]

Yeah ME takes some work to get going but it is stronk

[boreal gale]

It's only common so I'm compensating by boosting it with poms to the heavens

[tulip ridge]

yoooooo the hades soundtrack is on Apple Music

good day all around

[limber fossil]

Oh my god I’m shredding through the champions

[boreal gale]

Rail is my second favourite weapon now

Epic jolted

Oh the poor enemies

[lone kernel]

Once you hit like 17 per tick, your future poms are better spent on jolted

Damage

[boreal gale]

I think I've hit that

[lone kernel]

Yeah, Pom that jolted a bit now

[boreal gale]

What boon should I put on Special?

[lone kernel]

And welcome to club Eris

[boreal gale]

Artemis?

[lone kernel]

Whichever chunky one shows up first

Artemis works

[boreal gale]

I can change my keepsake and I have them all so...

[lone kernel]

My preference is Aphrodite for smoldering air, but if you have a bad call for it (which Artemis call is) don’t bother

Wait

Poseidon dash

[boreal gale]

Conch Shell it is

[lone kernel]

I’d prioritize that then take the chonk special that shows up naturally, but take Poseidon dash over special

[boreal gale]

Special is more used to buff your attack on eris

Attack speed on Hermes oh no

[lone kernel]

I know, but having a chonk blast is nice haha

If you get cluster bomb with Eris….

[boreal gale]

I didn't get dash on poseidon

[lone kernel]

Roll for it

[boreal gale]

But I did get a chunky 126% special

I used my rolls

[lone kernel]

Take special if you don’t have roll

Aight that works haha

[boreal gale]

I am going to murder everything

[lone kernel]

If there’s a vc and u wanna share screen, happy to armchair quarterback lol

[merry bane]

awooga
||https://imgur.com/T5oTDk2||

[boreal gale]

I'm typing on phone and playing on Xbox it wouldn't work. No objections to vc tho

[lone kernel]

Oh ok

aaaand no vcs here lol

[boreal gale]

Oh nvm then lol

[lone kernel]

oh well

[limber fossil]

I sweeped hades so easily

Merciful end is so strong

[boreal gale]

When I learn Rail I'm going to shres

[limber fossil]

I’ve got 5 clears

[boreal gale]

Athena Dash could work on Rail, no?

[limber fossil]

We’re halfway there

[boreal gale]

Woah Oh! Living on a prayer!

Sorry I had to

[lone kernel]

Athena dash works on everything lol

[limber fossil]

I’m so glad someone continued it

[lone kernel]

Poseidon dash maximizes DPS, but Athena dash makes you not die lol

Man I hope you get Zeus legendary @boreal gale

[lone kernel]

If you can get it early as well as the dash; it’s unstoppable lol

[boreal gale]

It really is. It works on pretty much any weapon too

What Keepsake for Elysium? My last Core slot is Cast.

[lone kernel]

How much gold u have

[boreal gale]

492

[lone kernel]

Hourglass

If the well has good stuff

Otherwise, acorn if you’re scared of Theseus or coin purse if the well has crap in it

[boreal gale]

Purse it is

[lone kernel]

Generally if I can afford it, try to take hourglass, buy some items, reroll gives you three more items to buy

[boreal gale]

I do have a reroll now

[lone kernel]

$100ish for 30 p special attack and speed for the next like 15 rooms

eh don’t bother save it for rare Zeus

[boreal gale]

Yeah good idea

[lone kernel]

you’re gonna want to roll for splitting bolt

[boreal gale]

I'll go with curse

[lone kernel]

But level your hourglass lol

[boreal gale]

Purse*

I'll take Hourglass actually. Levels on that will be amazing

Oh why game

[lone kernel]

If it’s not already

It’s so good

[boreal gale]

Hermes or Hammer

[raw herald]

Hammer time

[lone kernel]

I’d go hammer for rail but you can’t go wrong lol

[raw herald]

You're gonna get both at some point

[lone kernel]

Cluster bomb is so fun

[raw herald]

If you have a yarn currently, take hermes

[boreal gale]

Ricochet, Spread or Piercing Fire?

[raw herald]

Rip

Piercing

[boreal gale]

If I get support fire

[lone kernel]

Damn

If you see an anvil in Styx take it

[boreal gale]

I will

[lone kernel]

Prioritize Zeus over everything now

[boreal gale]

Piercing makes things go through shields right?

[lone kernel]

Yep

If you lose it in Styx to the anvil you won’t miss it but it’ll be nice for now in elysium

[boreal gale]

Rocket Bomb?

Flurry Fire, Ricochet Fire, Rocket Bomb Hammer.

[mint coral]

rocket bomb is amazing

[raw herald]

Yeah rocket bomb is very nice

The best standalone rail hammer

Imo

[limber fossil]

I only got it in elysium but it made the last bosses so easy

[boreal gale]

Thanatos whooo

[lone kernel]

Rocket

I’ll take cluster over rocket but nothing else lol

[brisk trail]

this divine dash seems kinda op

[lone kernel]

And if you get cluster AND rocket

it’s amazing

[lone kernel]

I mean it won’t win you the game by itself, but it makes it way more forgiving

It’s probably worth like, idk, 150 max health

[boreal gale]

Ooh Mirage shot duo?

Epic Hydraulic Might, Epic Boiling Point and Mirage Shot

[lone kernel]

Not too useful for current run, but if you need it for prophecies

Hydraulic tho of those three

[boreal gale]

I'm not focusing on Prophecies rn

Just sped up special speed oh lord this is broken

[limber fossil]

I personally found it to be one of my easiest clears so far, and my fastest

[boreal gale]

Heroes are easyyy

[hazy pollen]

Is there any plan/possibility to eventually add a "Free Play / Sandbox" mode to Hades that would allow for complete build control per run? Something that when you are offered a Boon, you can then choose from any Boon in the game that you would normally be unlocked/available to you at that point. For when you have an idea for a build you would like to try, but have never quite had the luck with RNG to try it. Then just have the rewards or scoreboard not count for that run?

[boreal gale]

Love getting Hazard Bomb on Eris

[raw herald]

Not in the vanilla game, but I believe there is a mod being made that would allow full control of room rewards and stuff like that

[tulip ridge]

This is called modding

The modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion

[hazy pollen]

I didnt even know modding existed for the game.

[lone kernel]

Yeah on pc you can do mods on steam

[tulip ridge]

cries in switch

[hazy pollen]

I have it on Epic, will mods oinly work on the Steam version?

[muted wedge]

Look up steam workshop downloader, I imagine that would work, I used to use it for a couple games I had through GOG that had a lot of steam mods

[lone kernel]

Same

But we can play on the bus so you win some lose some

[tulip ridge]

This is true

[hazy pollen]

I have that, just didnt know the Workshop was available for the game

[tulip ridge]

Until steam deck comes out

[muted wedge]

sorry wait, brain leaky, it might not have workshop

[brisk trail]

steam workshop isnt aviable for this game

[boreal gale]

Beat dad in 25m

[short glen]

woo!

[boreal gale]

First time on rail

[muted wedge]

Nice

[brisk trail]

you'll mod the files manually prob

[boreal gale]

Also my fastest time on another weapon other than Malphon.

[lone kernel]

Congrats! Good stuff

[boreal gale]

I have 15 clears on Malphon and 1 on the rest aside from Varatha and Coronacht.

Can you tell what my favourite weapon is?

[muted wedge]

Fists are the best

[short glen]

Gilgamesh good

[lone kernel]

Definitely the aspect of lebron james on the ball and chain

[raw herald]

My favourite is the aspect of Gun You

[heady cypress]

Is this normal(just reply to this if you want to know what I'm talking about)

I'll Dm you the pic then

[raw herald]

You can upload the picture to Imgur then paste the link

[heady cypress]

I can do whot?

What's imgur

[boreal gale]

What aspect on Exagryph is best?

[raw herald]

An image hosting site

All gun aspects are pretty good, but Eris is the best for speedrunning

[heady cypress]

Never heard of it

Isn't dm'ing faster for now?

[raw herald]

Oh well, you can DM me the pic for now then

[boreal gale]

I love getting Hazard Bomb on Eris though

Doesn't negate the whole aspect or anything

[tulip ridge]

Lucifer with infinite ammo is nice

And artemis attack

[boreal gale]

Ammo is an issue on Exagryph

[tulip ridge]

And support fire

[boreal gale]

Support Fire Exagryph would be amazing

[lone kernel]

Eris

[tulip ridge]

I used that for my last clear

[lone kernel]

Best rail by far

75 p damage buff

[tulip ridge]

Aspect of Lucifer, infinite ammo hammer, support fire

Crazy

[lone kernel]

Lucifer just feels weird to me

Maybe I should try it without FO2 but it feels like totally unplayable without the thing that makes it shoot faster on startup

[boreal gale]

I still refuse to au spear

[tulip ridge]

I need to learn the heat abbreviations

[boreal gale]

That was meant to say use

[boreal gale]

Forced Overtime 2

[tulip ridge]

Ah ok

I’ve cleared it with lucifer with the 5 minute timer

[mint coral]

there is a list in the pins of #h1-high-heat-strategies

[tulip ridge]

I just plant special, bait, and the whole room is gone

[mint coral]

for the abbreviations

[tulip ridge]

I have it saved to my camera roll too lol

[boreal gale]

The highest TD I can do is TD2 rm

Consistently, at least.

[lone kernel]

FO2 makes TD3 easier since bad guys spawn faster, but while td1 and 2 are free, 3 is gonna take practice

Losing on time to furies feels bad

[boreal gale]

My fastest run is only 16:50 so I can do TD3, but Id struggle

That was a perfect run almost

[lone kernel]

Try td3 with Zeus attack Eris

[tulip ridge]

TD3 with Arthur was an experience

[lone kernel]

I didn’t find it that bad with Arthur

It’s a real pain on Achilles tho

[tulip ridge]

I can imagine

[lone kernel]

And beowulf (but that’s because im bad at beo)

[tulip ridge]

I’ve never used the shield before

Oddly enough

[boreal gale]

Epic Dash and Special Athena, Heroic Ares attack, Epic Zeus Special, Epic Support Fire, Epic Artemis Aid, and then a whole lot of damage boosters. I also got Long Knuckle, colossus Knuckle, and +900% dash strike damage to Armored foes, an Epic Hermes attack speed booster and an Epic Dash number increase.

[thorn marsh]

wat are we discussing

[raw herald]

Hades the game

[tulip ridge]

weapons for td3

[lone kernel]

Hades

[thorn marsh]

well obviously this is hades discussion

[mint coral]

wait on achilles?

[thorn marsh]

no

dont mention achilles

[boreal gale]

Merciful End ofc

[thorn marsh]

i feel like playing hades

[lone kernel]

have fun

[mint coral]

have fun restarting

[raw herald]

Achilles fast

[thorn marsh]

but i dont feel like doing flurry resets

PLS

oh my god name

welp

its done

gonna play a few matches of this fighting game and flurry resetting we come

[lone kernel]

Yeah, I’m salty I blew four 40 heat attempts with it, two on time to the furies

Didn’t get flurry once

[boreal gale]

I won't be getting this ever again I can tell you that

[thorn marsh]

some days it be like that

[boreal gale]

I hate spear

[lone kernel]

Yep

What’s your preference of cast

For Achilles

[raw herald]

Ares

[mint coral]

i like whatever cast comes first

[lone kernel]

High heat

[boreal gale]

The best Casts in the game imo are Dem, Ares or Zeus.

Aphro Cast can do wonders on Malphon though

[mint coral]

after playing so much hera/beo my fav is aphro cast

[boreal gale]

Aphro Cast has given me some good experiences.

But way harder to pull off than others.

[mint coral]

i only dont like aphro cast as a source of weak but the damage is great

[boreal gale]

What's everyone's least favourite weapon and why?

[raw herald]

Sword, I always die on it

Lol

[mint coral]

sword maybe, i just dont feel like its fun

[thorn marsh]

fists

[boreal gale]

Spear just lacks for me. Probably a good weapon but for me it's just... No.

[thorn marsh]

ME is inconsistent and just dont find it much fun

[boreal gale]

I love the fact that Zagreus has knocked his father's teeth out with a set of Gauntlets 16 times.

And Dad still won't just back down.

[boreal gale]

Try something like SH instead if you don't like ME. SH is brutal on Dem especially.

[brisk trail]

for ares athena fists what hammer should i gey

[thorn marsh]

i just dont find fists good to play tbh

[brisk trail]

long knuckle good?

[thorn marsh]

ME fists

breaching cross and explosive upper if demeter fist

if not demeter fist just breaching cross

[boreal gale]

Long Knuckle is amazing. Breaching Cross is also good

[thorn marsh]

explosive upper is still good

[boreal gale]

It's literally just range

[thorn marsh]

breaching cross priority

[boreal gale]

Ofc

[high island]

Breaching Cross is way better than Long Knuckle.

[boreal gale]

But if you don't have Breaching Cross I'd take Long Knuckle.

[brisk trail]

is demeter the one with the strong uppercut

[boreal gale]

Yes.

[brisk trail]

Nice

[boreal gale]

Long Knuckle doesn't hurt to get. It's just a solid hammer all around.

[raw herald]

Breaching cross is a huge number

[boreal gale]

I tend to struggle especially on the final fight if I don't have Long Knuckle.

[raw herald]

Armored enemies die in fractions of a second

[high island]

Long Knuckle is okay.

[boreal gale]

ME Breaching Cross time

I'm never gonna complain about getting range.

[raw herald]

At least you get that +1.5 damage

[boreal gale]

SH shreds everything

I'm debating is SH is better than ME or not.

[raw herald]

What is this acronym

[boreal gale]

Splitting Headache

[raw herald]

Oh

[wise oasis]

me is better

[raw herald]

ME is a lot better

[high island]

Long Knuckle is just not a high priority except maybe at very high heats with EM3+ FO2.

[raw herald]

Splitting headache is just a pommed up epic PP

Lol

[boreal gale]

I just beat the game in 16:57 so it's close to my record.

[high island]

Lightning Strike start is way better than Drunken Strike.

[boreal gale]

Literally 7 seconds off my pb

[wise oasis]

Ive never really liked hangover builds, they feel weak compared to things I can get with generally less effort

[boreal gale]

The main thing is how much damage Special Deals if you hit it fully charged

It's stupidly high

[wise oasis]

on dem fists?

[boreal gale]

Yeah

[wise oasis]

Its nice yeah

[limber fossil]

What’s an effective way to get 8 heat without making it too hard on me

[raw herald]

I was 6s off my PB today, but it was a different aspect so I'm happy

[boreal gale]

What weapon you using?

[wise oasis]

I went for a nuclear cutter build with a super pommed arti special, it was nice

with good rng I did like 6k in a special

[boreal gale]

Also what are your times like?

[raw herald]

How fast can you clear a run usually?

[boreal gale]

Because a nice chunk of heat can be cleared with TD and DC.

[limber fossil]

Not sure yet, thinking I might go for Achilles and hunting blades

[high island]

Top 3 Attacks on Malphon are Curse of Agony, Lightning Strike, and Heartbreak Strike.

[limber fossil]

30 minutes or so ig

[raw herald]

Do TD1 then

[boreal gale]

Then TD1 should be free

[high island]

Drunken Strike kind of requires a lot to be good.

[wise oasis]

if you're gonna do achilles hunting blades you can do dc1 or dc2 also, its not too big an issue

[raw herald]

Poms, duos and global damage

[limber fossil]

I’m also using damage control since that’s 2 heat for something barely noticeable

[raw herald]

Damage control sucks

On everything

[boreal gale]

Depends on the weapon

[raw herald]

I don't care what people say

[wise oasis]

Its fine on hunting blades imo, not too bad

[high island]

Don't do DC, yeah.

[limber fossil]

I haven’t found it to effect my runs much, it’s been what I use to get new heat rewards

[boreal gale]

It's not even noticeable on other weapons

[raw herald]

I notice it >:)

[boreal gale]

Like it's almost nonexistent on Exagryph and Malphon

[brisk trail]

what id ME?

[raw herald]

Actually I should have just kept that

[boreal gale]

Merciful End

[wise oasis]

Have you tried not noticing it

[brisk trail]

merciful end is what?

[limber fossil]

Are there other ez heat things I can do?

[brisk trail]

a boon or a hammer

[limber fossil]

Duo boon

[boreal gale]

It's a stupidly powerful duo boon

[brisk trail]

mercifully ending my own life

[raw herald]

Good idea dies to Tartarus timer

[brisk trail]

ooooo thats the one i got and i almost beat the game

[wise oasis]

Easy 8 heat is Ri4!

;D

[boreal gale]

RI? What's that again lmao

[raw herald]

Bad

[idle cargo]

Oh my gods the twin fists are so strong

[mint coral]

turning off mirror skills

[brisk trail]

i had no revives cuz i never buy or use them but if i had one u would have beat the game

uses timer for pact

[limber fossil]

Ok let me try it :D

[raw herald]

Welp, good luck ig

[brisk trail]

dies to enemies spawning super slowly in every room

[wise oasis]

Good luck :D

[boreal gale]

How hard is FO1 EM3 TD1 DC1

How much heat is that actuallu

More than I need

[wise oasis]

11

[boreal gale]

Way more than I need

Good maths there

[high island]

Only aspect that practically doesn't care about DC is Rama. On everything else, it hurts your DPS potential and safety quite a lot.

[arctic flicker]

if I start playing hades on the Xbox game pass and buy the physical copy, will my progress still be there once my game pass runs out and I use my disc?

[boreal gale]

EM2 TD1 DC1

[cyan tiger]

dc is fine imo

[raw herald]

maybe non-charged shot beo can handle DC1

[cyan tiger]

but id rather u take nyaanyaa's word over mine

[boreal gale]

I cannot count apparently

I've always been using DC as free heat

[short glen]

fists tho

[raw herald]

no

[mint coral]

can confirm used it for 40 heat beo

[short glen]

they hit so fast lol

[limber fossil]

Ok so I’m going to be trying 8 heat with JS1 EM1 FO1 DC2 TD1

[wise oasis]

js1 will make the run take longer

[raw herald]

You always open with a special on Rama, which does no damage. Therefore DC2 is literally not noticeable

[wise oasis]

fo1 is also pretty rough if you're not used to that

[high island]

Being unable to stun enemies with your first hit hurts any melee aspect.

[boreal gale]

Wouldn't DC1 be free on Malphon though

[raw herald]

Unlike fists which actually deal good damage on the attack

[boreal gale]

I need an easy 7 heat run

[raw herald]

TD3 HL1

[wise oasis]

em4 :D

[stoic flame]

em2 td2 lc2

i think thats 7?

[boreal gale]

TD3 isn't gonna be doable for me

[raw herald]

That's 8

[stoic flame]

ah

[high island]

Malphon can also one-shot lots of trash mobs with a single Dash-Upper. Doesn't work with DC.

[wise oasis]

lc1 then

[boreal gale]

Take TD down one then

[short glen]

In my experience fists hit fast enough that you break through DC before they can attack, but I wasn't using FO at the time so maybe that changes things

[stoic flame]

then LC1

[boreal gale]

What's lc

[stoic flame]

lasting consequences

[limber fossil]

Haven’t tried it, I could try MM1 instead of JS and one DC

[stoic flame]

it reduces the potency of heals

[boreal gale]

Less health regen

[raw herald]

That would make it 6 heat

[boreal gale]

Oh. Thought it was one per tier

[raw herald]

I'd just do TD2 EM2 HL1

HL is honestly not bad without any FO

[boreal gale]

I'm not sure if I can do EM2 in TD2 bracket

[wise oasis]

hl1 is also pretty fine

em2 is faster than normal

[boreal gale]

What time is that?

28m?

[raw herald]

28 mins

[stoic flame]

i feel like em2 is faster

than regular

[raw herald]

Ezpz

[stoic flame]

lernie

[boreal gale]

Oh that's fine then I think

[stoic flame]

because smol arena

[wise oasis]

it is, heads spawn closer together

[stoic flame]

yeah

[boreal gale]

Most of my runs come between 24-20

[brisk trail]

does brilliant riposte effect me doom damage?

[high island]

I'll say just try out anything for whatever Heat you're on. Instead of trying to find the easiest pact, focus on practice and finding a good strategy for your pact.

[raw herald]

No

Status effects cannot backstab

[stoic flame]

😔

[boreal gale]

I could try throw out a nice EM3 with something easy

I can handle EM3 without any worries

[raw herald]

Just don't do CP or HS

They suck

[boreal gale]

My EM3 run I lost 1DD to Heroes

[raw herald]

Or RI

[boreal gale]

I was doing CP for ages before I was told not to lol

[wise oasis]

or AP

[boreal gale]

EM3 TD1 is easily doable right? 36 min for it.

[raw herald]

Yep

[boreal gale]

Yeah I can do that

[high island]

I can't think of a 7 Heat pact that would actually give me trouble. They're all very very doable with any aspect. Just learning what the pacts do and how to deal with them and learning to better deal with all the enemy types is gonna matter most in the long run.

[boreal gale]

I need more blood to. Max out Eris and then make Dad cry

I'm also nearing 20 clears

[mint coral]

do BP2 and MM and suffer when weird combinations come up for armored enemies

[boreal gale]

Wait my next clear is clear 2p

20*

[stoic flame]

aphro or arte on hestia attack

which is better

[high island]

BP2 without FO is pretty chill and fun.

[boreal gale]

BP?

[high island]

Benefits Package.

[boreal gale]

I need to learn these abbreviations

Oh Armored traits

[high island]

Pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[boreal gale]

BP gives all Armored enemies traits right?

[mint coral]

yup

[stoic flame]

ignored 😔

feelsbadman

[mint coral]

mini bosses with BP would be fun

[wise oasis]

Both are good, Arti builds better into heart rend if you wanna go that route

[stoic flame]

yeah that seems good

arte on attack and aphro on special

ez heart rend

[boreal gale]

Would that affect the summons of Lernie and Dad?

[mint coral]

nope

[boreal gale]

Thank jesus

[wise oasis]

Ye, I wouldn't do passion dash since seeing the enemy is actually illegal when using hestia

[boreal gale]

Imagine Lernies heads being scarier than Lernie.

[heady cypress]

Dionysus/aphro duo good?

I just got it but Idk how to use it properly

[thorn marsh]

unrecorded flurry resets start naow

wish me luck

[brisk trail]

ok when facing the bull qnd shield is it right to go for the bull first then the shield guy

[mint coral]

apply weak at any time and hangover can add 3 more stacks

[stoic flame]

good luck

[boreal gale]

Why is it always an internal dilemma of whether I should sleep or game.

I need sleep

Gn

[brisk trail]

gn lol

[stoic flame]

i have come to realise

i suck with hestia

[empty wolf]

does the tight deadline pact limit affect how early you tend to get the satyr sack? feel like i get 2nd or 3rd tunnel every time i play on the hardest deadline but 5th a lot when i turn it off

[stoic flame]

perhaps rng is not so cruel after all

[empty wolf]

i think tight deadline disables the timed survival chambers so was thinking it might give u a guarantee for decent styx too, didn't find any info on it tho

[mint coral]

nope, plain rng

[empty wolf]

damn guess I've just been lucky

[thorn marsh]

well

first run of the day

had a 3:57 aspho exit into 7:05 ely exit because i played like ass and the build was ass

[heady cypress]

Meg is in my room

Next to my bed

[stoic flame]

😼

[thorn marsh]

time for sum eris nvm

[short glen]

Consider: what if bosses had armor, that respawned on each phase

[thorn marsh]

w h y

[modern garnet]

Well it would make armor breaking hammers better

[polar marsh]

I made it to the 4th final dungeon to hades and died hunting blades is good dps

[lone kernel]

[supple oasis]

Does the chaos gate take a percentage or what

[thorn marsh]

no chaos takes i think up to a maximum 25 health

[supple oasis]

It just did 27 tho

[thorn marsh]

huh

guess i was wrong

[mint coral]

it goes up each chamber iirc?

i have an early in tartarus do 21 then some chambers after with light of ixion do 24

[supple oasis]

I'm in elysium with 465 max hp if that's relevant

[thorn marsh]

it doesnt go off max hp

i think its just random up to a max of 30 or sum crap

IDK

[lone kernel]

ok so this is kinda silly but i am trying hestia

[supple oasis]

hm

[lone kernel]

and in my head i've dubbed it "red dead redemption mode"

slow gun that feels like a way stronger shot

and i started with aphro

[tulip ridge]

I can get sub-4 tartarus, but I don’t understand how people then clear asphodel and elysium before 8

[heady cypress]

How much nectar do you need for the Meg companion

I have 4 hearts atm

It shows 4 more so 8 in total, Will that number change again?

[lone kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

if you're talking speedruns, the main thing is that they take every free room possible

like trial of the gods with zeus and aphro or a chaos gate, they'll take chaos gate even if theyre running smoldering air eris

to save the time

you'll get faster

[heady cypress]

Help I have 125 hp and I'm in elysium

Took every hp room iirc

[lone kernel]

Ok to play defensive if necessary

Rn trying hestia and it’s not strong enough so I’m doing lots of chip damage with rail cluster bomb

[heady cypress]

I'd love to but ig that won't work with stygius

Took a hammer which gives me hp regen and - 60% max hp

It's a bit risky and a bit safe ig

[whole ridge]

I remember my aggressive method with Cluster was to just run up into the enemy's face and bomb because it places like, almost the whole cluster right on top of them

Was a fun run

[neat stag]

Is there a maximum amount of Ambrosia that is needed? I think I have 12 so far. Would like to trade for something like Blood if that much Ambrosia is not needed.

[whole ridge]

Depends

How many bonds ya got?

How much Ambrosia have you given people?

How much have you put into your Cthonic Companions?

[neat stag]

Oh wow, I don’t have any companions yet…sounds like I need to keep these.

I haven’t given any Ambrosia yet

[whole ridge]

Each Cthonic Companion costs 10 Ambrosia to max.
Dusa cost 10 Ambrosia to max bond but she will offer to give it back.
Thanatos and Meg cost 4 Ambrosia to max each
Each Olympian barring Hermes cost 1 Ambrosia to max, and a good chunk of characters cost 3 Ambrosia each.

Ya need a lotta Ambrosia

[azure osprey]

Can someone answer a question for me

[whole ridge]

Question is?

[azure osprey]

Apparently

The hidden aspect for the shield

[whole ridge]

Do you have the hidden aspect for the Spear yet?

[azure osprey]

wait

Nevermind

I just read the description for it

[whole ridge]

If so, need to put 5 Titan Blood into the shield, and then talk with Chaos until he gives the phrase

[void vigil]

you need 151 ambrosia in total for everything

[azure osprey]

I thought it said casts buff special

So I was confused

How does the cast boons work on it anyways

[void vigil]

they/them pronouns for chaos

[whole ridge]

I'm gonna get hit with that a lot xD

Also wow, didn't realize I already spent so much Ambrosia. Is the 151 counting themes?

If so, I've spent like, nearly 70 to now already xD

[rough orchid]

hello!

[void vigil]

counting themes and resource director ranks

[rough orchid]

does anyone have a good written guide for. best low heats to take

[whole ridge]

Just have 7 left for bonds, have like 55 for Companions and 25 combined for themes

So I imagine resource director doesn't need a ton

[void vigil]

theres a guide pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[azure osprey]

Okay actually another question

so dragon rush

[whole ridge]

I have been focusing bonds before Companions (and still need Bouldy)

[azure osprey]

How does the cast damage work

at the end

What increases it

Attack or cast damage

[whole ridge]

It goes off in an AOE at the end of the bull rush and it goes off cast damage for the flare

[mint coral]

cast gets buffed by cast damage

[azure osprey]

Okay thanks

[void vigil]

resource director takes 10 ambrosia in total but it mostly takes a lot of darkness

[whole ridge]

The shield rush itself is attack, but the flare is more important

[azure osprey]

Also for example if I get a water cast

[whole ridge]

Yeah, I figured the darkness already

[azure osprey]

well the flare be water

At the end

Poseidon

I finally managed to spell his name

[whole ridge]

But yeah jeez, 25k Darkness for the theme alone is expensive as fuuu

[mint coral]

yup, if you pick his flare thats the one released at the end of the rush

[whole ridge]

I still need like, 9k Darkness to finish up the mirror

All of it for Fated Persuasion

[umbral whale]

The 9 minute timer is pretty harmless to take

[whole ridge]

And yeah, 9 minutes isn't bad at all

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Tight Deadline pact also gets rid of the timed rooms as well?

[umbral whale]

The 45 second rooms yeah

But it doesnt remove thanatos

And he stops your timer during the fight

[whole ridge]

He stops your timer? :o

[stoic flame]

yes

[whole ridge]

Is that just for like, his dialogue?

I need more Than encounters still anyways because Hypnos favor xD

[stoic flame]

no like the whole encounter

[mint coral]

during the entire encounter

[stoic flame]

the timer is stopped

[whole ridge]

Oh jeez

[stoic flame]

until it he starts speaking

[mint coral]

but once he starts talking the timer resumes

[whole ridge]

That sounds like a fantastic room

[stoic flame]

yes

[whole ridge]

Ahh

[mint coral]

if the reward is a pom/hammer/boon you can wait for him to go in the menu tho

[stoic flame]

yes

[mint coral]

(assuming it dropped near where he gives you the reward)

[stoic flame]

thats what i always do

[lone kernel]

Ugh, hestia just didn’t scale well at all. Was relying on smoldering air Zeus call for all my damage and dad got me

Darn

Am sad

[strong ridge]

ugh ____ just didn’t scale well at all

avg hades gameplay

[lone kernel]

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I missed stubborn defiance

[strong ridge]

how many dd u save for dad

[lone kernel]

I was out

[strong ridge]

F

[lone kernel]

Was a close loss, but was relying on smoldering for damage

[strong ridge]

truth

[lone kernel]

Not an ideal spot

fo2 sad

[strong ridge]

fo5 when

[lone kernel]

(Was 24 heat, so not like I’m shocked I lost with a weapon I’ve played once, but damn…that one stings kinda wish just died in Styx lol

[twin thistle]

when approval process gets rid of static discharge twice in a row so you cant get privileged status

[quick ledge]

So uhhh

about to do em4 boss

as in hades

and im kinda scared

what he do

any tips?

also im using eris gun

[manic bobcat]

Don't get hit

[south lagoon]

get 'im!

[quick ledge]

no i mean like what his moves are kekw

extra moves

[manic bobcat]

His combos is longer

Like instead of 1 swipe he does 2

He's generally tankier

And some other surprises I won't spoil

[quick ledge]

alright

wish me luck

[manic bobcat]

God bless

[reef zodiac]

Oh EM4 with Eris sounds kinda hard. Well I guess if your DPS is absurdly high (as Eris tends to do) then it might not be so bad

Also it’s a lot less bad without FO2 or HL5

[lone kernel]

How’d it go @quick ledge

[hearty sierra]

After playing with the pre-nerf version of the shield, I can conclude that the aspect of Chaos is fantastic

And I'm torn that they'd nerf it

Main thing is that the extra shields could bounce as well

[tulip ridge]

I mean, it was a bit overpowered compared to other weapons

[hearty sierra]

But BOUNCE

And yeah, sure, it was overpowered

but good

[mint coral]

was gonna do zeus dash build with gilga but poseidon offered heroic tidal dash

so change of plans

[quick ledge]

Sorry for late response

but i nearly had a heart attack

and i want to throw up

but against all odds

yeah

its in hades vic boasting now

God damn that was hard

[mint coral]

ruthless reflex just saved me from failing erebus gate, nice

[heady cypress]

Does daddy's green stuff do +100dmg?

[limber fossil]

I’m sorry what

[mint coral]

if you are running heightened security

[limber fossil]

The skull things??

[mint coral]

that pact is stupid

[short glen]

150 iirc

[plucky latch]

Dude said Daddy

[short glen]

the pot

[heady cypress]

I just spent multiple minutes fighting him and then I died losing my entire hp after getting revived for the first and last time

[limber fossil]

Ohh

[heady cypress]

The trap stuff?

[mint coral]

yup

the pots counts as traps

[heady cypress]

Yeah I activated that

[short glen]

Just don't get hit. Or have more than 150 hp going into the final boss

[heady cypress]

I think the pillar dealt 150dmg

[mint coral]

from 30 to 150

[heady cypress]

Just Dont get hit thanks

Still the best advice for this game

[short glen]

I'm sorry for that

[mint coral]

turn that pact off asap tbh, is a trap

[plucky latch]

They are big green pots. Just dont hit them

[heady cypress]

Thought it's free heat

[short glen]

I usually have at least 300 hp going into Hades

[mint coral]

it is until you regret your life choices at the last 2nd bc it does more damage than dad normal combo

[heady cypress]

I had 80 on my last run

Without dd's

[short glen]

Why???

[mint coral]

most of my runs get around 150 or less bc i run high confidence

[plucky latch]

80 is fine if you dont get hit

[heady cypress]

Stop telling me that please

Am beggin

[mint coral]

ruthless reflex is a lot more fun than i remember

50% dodge chance is nice

[heady cypress]

Was at less than 150 during the elysium boss fight and had to reduce it to the half(after getting some more hp) for health regen

My only chance

[plucky latch]

Yeah it's definitely the better option

[mint coral]

greater reflex is better, but gilga doesnt need another dash

[short glen]

Epic greatest reflex is REALLY fun on gilga tho

[heady cypress]

Meg doesn't spawn anymore is there a reason for that?

I mean at home

In the kitchen

[mint coral]

using rare greatest, can confirm

tidal dash for days

[mint coral]

rng(tm)

[heady cypress]

Should I finish my relationship with skelly then?

[hearty sierra]

Go ahead you'll do that sooner or later anyway

[heady cypress]

I want to get a good companion as soon as possible

[soft echo]

Meg and Sisyphus are the best

[heady cypress]

I'll get the other ones afterwards and the "unnecessary" ones last

[heady cypress]

Both of them are rare tho

That's why I'm trying to do skelly or Achilles when I don't see Meg

[hearty sierra]

Keep in mind you also need ambro to level up the companion

[soft echo]

Also you need to build a relationship with Patty

For Achilles

[heady cypress]

I have 4 atm

And a lot of ambro I could get for free

[hearty sierra]

10 total to max out a companion

[heady cypress]

Cuz I skipped a lot of heat

Well you can't really skip it

[hearty sierra]

If ambro isn't a cause for conern then sure, just do skelly's relationship

Again

You'll have to do it sooner or later

[heady cypress]

But I only did the heat with 1 weapon each, I could Get a lot of ambro with 0 heat for example

[heady cypress]

For every npc????

[hearty sierra]

Btw the green pots of hades count as traps so Heightened Security gives them +400% damage

[heady cypress]

Yeah felt that

[hearty sierra]

6 companions, 60 ambro total to just max out companions

Not to mention the relationship ambro

[heady cypress]

That was actually by far my best try on him despite the fact that I got killed

[soft echo]

Btw the green pots of hades count as traps so Heightened Security gives them +400% damage
SURE FOOTING

[heady cypress]

My health was disgustingly low

[heady cypress]

And the other npcs?

[hearty sierra]

You probably need around 90 ambro total for ALL npcs + companion upgrades

[mint coral]

why does life affirmation doesnt affect the hp reward from than :/

[heady cypress]

So you only need one per regular npc?

[hearty sierra]

And that hasn't even mentioned the ambro required to get to the epilogue

[hearty sierra]

3, I think, except dusa who needs 10

[heady cypress]

Dusa is a companion too isn't she

[twin thistle]

i like how charon always feels harder than dad or the champions

[hearty sierra]

They smacc harder

[heady cypress]

Didn't beat him yet

Died twice

[hearty sierra]

Now that I think about it, never recall a canon gender for Charon

Any Greek mythology nerds to fact-check that?

[twin thistle]

pretty sure charons a dude

[heady cypress]

He's a boy

According to the codex

[hearty sierra]

when is it mentioned

Sure, I'll go check it out

[heady cypress]

They always refer to him as he/him

[heady cypress]

I'm playing on german

Keep that in mind please

[hearty sierra]

And German pronouns are stranger than English pronouns?

[heady cypress]

No not really

[fervent spruce]

I believe Charon is referred to as Thanos’ and Hypnos’ brother a few times

[heady cypress]

We don't have gender neutral pronouns for ppl

It's either he her or it

Theres no "them"

[heady cypress]

I was talking bout the translation tho, it might be different in German

[hearty sierra]

How is chaos referenced in german, then?

explicitly a cosmic entity that fits into no label

[mint coral]

at least for spanish it didnt use pronouns

[heady cypress]

I can't answer that lmao

It's he and her

It's mixed

[mint coral]

oh rip current can be pommed, fun

[heady cypress]

Anyways

I'll say byebye for now it's 3:21 am and I have to get up at like 10am it'll be tough and my eyes will B U R N

[soft echo]

Beat Hades on Hell Mode on my 12th run last week

Feeling quite epic

[limber fossil]

Is there any way to remove hammer upgrades?

[soft echo]

Only thru Anvils

[mint coral]

the anvil at styx can remove 1 at random but otherwise no

[limber fossil]

Oh ok

[soft echo]

Someone got rush kick or that leaping sword one?

[limber fossil]

I got the fist that slows it down but does more damage and then the room after I got the ares boon that gives more damage if you stack doom :/

[mint coral]

poseidon call doing 1200 damage x hit

amazing

[soft echo]

Slows it down but does more damage?

As in the attack?

[mint coral]

the one that makes it a 3 combo but slower (idk its name too ww)

[soft echo]

OOoooohh

Yeah I could see why you'd want an anvil

[mint coral]

also increases base damage iirc

[brisk trail]

Hades' combat is surprisingly button mashy

Does shield block all damage

[limber fossil]

Yes

[soft echo]

I'm pretty sure there are a few Elysium enemies who can pierce but i could be wrong

[mint coral]

attacks that come from above/below you cant be blocked

[brisk trail]

Oh okay

erebus gate worth the 5

?

[soft echo]

You gotta be an epic gamer but I'd say so

[brisk trail]

I'm a bit of an epic gamer

:3c

[soft echo]

👀

[limber fossil]

Used the anvil and lost the one hammer upgrade I liked :(

I had 2

[mint coral]

if the reward is tempting i say go into erebus

[soft echo]

What did you lose?

[mint coral]

just dont eat an

[limber fossil]

Longer range on my punch

[soft echo]

[brisk trail]

What's the best weapon

[soft echo]

Rail but they're all viable

[brisk trail]

No foreign language please

[soft echo]

The Gun is the best weapon
But you can win with any

[mint coral]

best is subjective
for me is shield

[brisk trail]

No guns

I don't see anyone speaking in a foreign language here

lol

I personally like the bow

[soft echo]

Shield is all-around the best but I'm a more speed focused player so only Beo is appealing to me there

Thats why I say rail

[brisk trail]

I have 6384 kills with the bow

B

E

O

?

[mint coral]

hidden aspect of the shield

[soft echo]

^

Or Beowulf

[brisk trail]

I said no foreign language

all weapons have hidden aspects if you don't know

[soft echo]

Do you not have aspects unlocked or something, needle?

[brisk trail]

and you can unlock them by unlocking the spear one

[brisk trail]

No FOREIGN LANGUAGE!!!

[soft echo]

Ok

[brisk trail]

Are you

okay?

[soft echo]

How far are you in the game, needle?

[viral fable]

Dude just do your own research using google then

[brisk trail]

seems new

to me

[viral fable]

Double standards xD

[soft echo]

Yeah

[brisk trail]

3 runs

I'm new as wel

I only have 44 runs so far

[soft echo]

That would make sense as to why you're confused

[brisk trail]

No u

[opal acorn]

how many clears do you have

[brisk trail]

homeboy don't even have all the weapons

[soft echo]

Just keep playing the game and you'll get there :)

[brisk trail]

he has 3 runs

he hasn;t even won yet

guaranteed

No...

U

but not only will the upgrades help you

as you progress

but you'll learn to play better too

[soft echo]

Yeah