h1-discussion

[reef zodiac]

Anyway I gotta get back to my 40 heat run, good luck with the new players, Reid

[signal aspen]

tight deadline

[rough orchid]

like with my cast build i shredded him scarily fast

[humble lotus]

Whats that?

[signal aspen]

pact of punishment

gives you 9 min to clear each biome

[humble lotus]

I have never used that one

[signal aspen]

bruh

[humble lotus]

Sounds terrible

Like so so terrible

[mint coral]

Alone is not bad

[candid obsidian]

Lmao

[rough orchid]

…

its the easiest one in the entire game

[candid obsidian]

This dudes a troll

[rough orchid]

you can literally clear tartarus in 4 minutes

[signal aspen]

if you use plume a lot then it shouldnt be too hard

[humble lotus]

I take like half an hour each area

[brisk trail]

OK no DD lost yet and Hades down his first bar

[humble lotus]

Past tarturous

[reef zodiac]

bad player who’s way too confident that they can’t be wrong I mean new player with a lot to learn but they’re doing their best

[rough orchid]

oh youre trolling for sure

[humble lotus]

No?

[rough orchid]

pause menues, fishing and after you beat the boss dont count

[humble lotus]

I mainly use sheild

[reef zodiac]

Well then play faster

[candid obsidian]

With plume??

[reef zodiac]

LMAOOO

[signal aspen]

damn

[humble lotus]

I take a lot of pauses and pickup and put downt the game mid run

[reef zodiac]

Oh yeah! How do you take 30 minutes to clear each region with plume? Do you have like 8% dodge at the end of the run?

[humble lotus]

Yeah?

[reef zodiac]

That’s not counted in the timer bruh

[humble lotus]

No i just take breaks between stages?

[lone kernel]

Be nice boyo, we were noobs at one point too

[humble lotus]

I dont close the game

[rough orchid]

that

doesnt count

[humble lotus]

The problem is i dont tend to pause

[candid obsidian]

TD might be bad if you go take a snack break while the game is unpaused

[jade zenith]

if you open the pause menu then the timer stops

[brisk trail]

1DD left Hades dead

[reef zodiac]

[rough orchid]

okay

[brisk trail]

For the 5th time

[rough orchid]

are you playing on pc?

all you need to do is press “Esc”

[lone kernel]

Just pause when you use TD

[humble lotus]

Also anything with a timer is stresfull to me

[rough orchid]

its on the top side of your keyboard

after you press “Esc” you can take a break

[jade zenith]

all you need to do is either hit the pause button or just take a break during rooms where it doesn't count down

[humble lotus]

No i play consle

[lone kernel]

it’s basically the same as learning how not to lose a second stubborn defiance by lava suicide

[candid obsidian]

Doesn’t plume have a timer

[humble lotus]

I know what the escape key jd

[humble lotus]

One thats in the bottom corner that i dont notice

[lone kernel]

It not being in your face visible helps.

[brisk trail]

30:23 time

[rough orchid]

the td timer is too

[lone kernel]

That’s solid for a new player

[rough orchid]

hold on

[humble lotus]

I use mostly pierced butterfly or plume

[brisk trail]

Not the most impressive but a win is a win

[brisk trail]

My best is 22m

[humble lotus]

Ive litraly never tried td

[lone kernel]

How many clears in are you?

That’s solid

[brisk trail]

Beaten the game 5 times now I think?

5 or 4

[humble lotus]

I allways have done heat via extreme mesures and other stuff that boosts the power of enemies

[rough orchid]

it is literally free heat

[lone kernel]

Yeah that’s solid for a newer guy, good looks man

[candid obsidian]

That’s a lot harder than tight deadline

[humble lotus]

It sounds stressfull so i never tried it

[rough orchid]

my first clear of hades would fit in td

[lone kernel]

Pick 20 heat randomly and go for it

[rough orchid]

and that was before i had heat

[rough orchid]

its really not

[lone kernel]

this is how you get past fear of the pact

[wise oasis]

first one gives you 36 mins, Id give it a shot and if you see it's too fast dont use it yet

[lone kernel]

make it excessively stressful

then tune it

[rough orchid]

idk how you spend half an hour on each stage 😭

[lone kernel]

and then you’ll be like whoa I just cleared 15

[olive goblet]

Any time you don’t use gets added right?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[rough orchid]

you have to clear the game many times

[humble lotus]

Not each stage just each region

I have like 60 or 70 clears

[lone kernel]

Yes

[candid obsidian]

That’s like 2 hours each run

[brisk trail]

I'm just happy with 5

[raw herald]

Are you using the in game timer?

[signal aspen]

whats your fastest clear?

[lone kernel]

And asphodel is shorter than Tartarus

[humble lotus]

No

[brisk trail]

2 hours a run what

[humble lotus]

idk i dont check

[rough orchid]

thats still 2 hours a run

[candid obsidian]

If you take 30 minutes a region

[humble lotus]

I am going entirely off my personal guess

[lone kernel]

Sounds like my dude is a multitasker with a better sense of self discipline

[jade zenith]

go and look what your ingame time was for any previous completions

[raw herald]

You can check clear times in the victory screens

[humble lotus]

I dont know how to see the speed

[rough orchid]

td1 is incredibly easy

[raw herald]

Or the administrative chamber

[jade zenith]

go and look at your weapon aspects

[brisk trail]

How are you taking 30m per region? I'm not trying to be rude but if you're not pausing it makes sense. If not I'm utterly baffled.

[jade zenith]

and then look in the bottom left

it will say your best time with that weapon

[candid obsidian]

It says it on the victory screen and in the admin room

[rough orchid]

it is the easiest heat in the entire game

well thats an overstatement

[signal aspen]

no ri is

[rough orchid]

but it is very easy

[raw herald]

Yeah RI4 is like 8 free heat

[wise oasis]

em4 is also 4 free heat

[rough orchid]

what is RI?

[humble lotus]

Ri?

[signal aspen]

routine inspection

[rough orchid]

oh yeah

[signal aspen]

it gets rid of some mirror talents

[humble lotus]

Oh

[vast nacelle]

wait what the heck

[raw herald]

It sucks

[vast nacelle]

I have an escape attempt cleared

[raw herald]

Worst pact in the game

[mint coral]

Ri is fun't

[humble lotus]

Never used it

[vast nacelle]

but I don't have the achievment

on steam

[rough orchid]

doesnt RI remove ur dd

[jade zenith]

yes

[signal aspen]

ri4 does

[lone kernel]

It does on nax level

Won’t reach it before

[jade zenith]

it is a joke btw, RI is one of the worst things you could ever take

[signal aspen]

yeah

[humble lotus]

My best time overall is 23 minutes on a run and most of the others are around 25 minutes

[rough orchid]

just take ri4 and the one that makes you reset boons

easy run

[raw herald]

So averaging 6-7 mins per area? Tight deadline 1 should be free

[olive goblet]

What’s a good heat build thing for 8

[signal aspen]

RI4

[humble lotus]

I have only ever used the harder enemies ones

And em

[brisk trail]

Uh

[rough orchid]

RI4

[brisk trail]

||Why is Meg in my room|| Story Spoiler I think?

[olive goblet]

Bokay

[raw herald]

Tight deadline 1-2 depending on how fast you can clear, Extreme measures 2 and middle management

[olive goblet]

Ooo ok

[rough orchid]

and also dont forget to add em4 for extra fun

[signal aspen]

and lc4

[mint coral]

do em4 for 10 heat

[rough orchid]

…

td gives u 36 mins…

[jade zenith]

if you can't manage TD2 then take customs or beneffits package

[chrome wharf]

RI4 can be bearable if you take shield and block 5ever

[humble lotus]

I didnt know that and only ever though to do the harder enemies ones okay

[brisk trail]

My best time is 22:23.00

And I've escaped 5 times

[olive goblet]

Mine like 20:34 or something

[rough orchid]

mine is uhh

21:16

[humble lotus]

I have around 65 escapes

[brisk trail]

How many escapes?

[rough orchid]

idk

i think about 45

[reef zodiac]

#h1-discussion message

Hmmmm

[rough orchid]

im not playing rn so cant check

[brisk trail]

Ah. I'm trying to see where abouts I am. Do you know roughly?

[rough orchid]

when i beat hades it was run 39

[humble lotus]

That was a guess off the top of my head

[rough orchid]

so id say rn itd be 43-47

[reef zodiac]

Weird guess considering what you said

[rough orchid]

because i beat him a few times in a row

[brisk trail]

Damn

[humble lotus]

I have a very bad sence for how long an amount of time is

[reef zodiac]

But you can literally see it in-game

[rough orchid]

my fastest clear with god mode is 19m but i dont count that

[humble lotus]

I didnt know that

[tulip ridge]

What’s the highest possible heat?

[void vigil]

64

[signal aspen]

64 in hell mode

[rough orchid]

sixty something

[tulip ridge]

Ever cleared?

[signal aspen]

61 unseeded 64 seeded

[tulip ridge]

Damn

[brisk trail]

with rng manip basicially

[humble lotus]

Seeded?

[rough orchid]

2 hours is very far from 20 minutes

[jade zenith]

seeded means that they can control all of the rng

[rough orchid]

id think youd look at the time and notice it hasnt been 2 hours

[tulip ridge]

Is there a way to seed without mods?

[jade zenith]

so they get perfect boons, hammers, rooms and whatever else you need

[signal aspen]

both start with 2 so its pretty close

[rough orchid]

you right

i take it back

[void vigil]

i thought seeded means the first room is guaranteed, routed means all the rng is controlled?

[brisk trail]

the run was done without mods but the route was determined with mods iirc

yes basicially

although the community likes to call all rng manip seeded sometimes

[humble lotus]

Question

[brisk trail]

in theory you could find a route without mods but it would take very long and be very tedious

[tulip ridge]

Do you always have to clear heats one at a time, or does there come a point where you can put it at whatever you want?

[humble lotus]

Does it mean anything when chaos says something when her gate opens?

[brisk trail]

you can always put in as much heat as you want

[tulip ridge]

Oh I thought you couldn’t exceed the gauge

[rough orchid]

next time i play hades ill practice gun until i can clear with it

[rough orchid]

chaos uses they/them iirc but not particularly no

[candid obsidian]

Yeah they/them

[brisk trail]

no its just chaos reminding you to use the portal

which I often forget

[rough orchid]

yeah and theyre nyxs mother and father

[reef zodiac]

You can always put it at whatever you want

[gentle mason]

you can, the gauge is just warning you that you only have to reach a certain number to qualify for the current bounty level. The bounties stop at 20 Heat. So, you can get 21 bounties for each weapon.

[rough orchid]

yeah but you dont get multiple rewards

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[rough orchid]

is there enouh diamonds from doing all heat to unlock everyhinf

[gentle mason]

Yes, the only bounty resource that you will need more of after getting all the bounties & prophecies is Titan's Blood (you need like 10 more to fully unlock all weapons, which you get via trades, the Styx's Shop & fishing)

[mint coral]

and prophecies

[rough orchid]

damnn

[gentle mason]

correct, I realized that right before you responded and edited my post at the same time.

[rough orchid]

you need more than two hundred forty??

[chrome wharf]

there's more than enough diamonds to do everything iirc

[tulip ridge]

and you can always fish for more if you really need them

or buy in styx

[chrome wharf]

esp when you eventually get lots of gems and keys to trade

[mint coral]

got hazard bomb eris with delta

[gentle mason]

Titan's Blood: 306 to fully unlock all the weapons, 252 from bounties + 43 from Prophecies = 295, so you need 11 more from trades, fishing & the styx shop. (Which should be fairly easy to have done at the same time, since getting that many bounties requires a minimum of 126 clears.)

[humble lotus]

I tried a runn with the time limit thing

And died to theseus

Due to forgeting about my companion

[hoary schooner]

watchu know about rolling down in the deep

[humble lotus]

How is it i do better on the run where i got worse luck

[modern garnet]

That's called skill

[rough orchid]

wait until he throws spear

he turns his back to you

do damage

repeat

also dash around him

also kill the bull first

[meager ridge]

no

[rough orchid]

also if you have not lost any dd and get patroclus and youre not at low hp you can take the attack buff which helps so much

[humble lotus]

I did kill the bull first

I died to him because of his devine aid

[gaunt geyser]

Y?

[rough orchid]

dodge the spots that glow

also you can attack him the first time he summons because he does not move

[humble lotus]

Doesnt help much when im tryinv to dodge him

[meager ridge]

because there is no way in hell i am repeating the same rooms for even longer

[rough orchid]

idk how to help you ive never died to him past the first time

[humble lotus]

And am bad at dodgeing

[meager ridge]

i haven't played ror2 in months and i only had one run, when i get back to my house i'm gonna play it

[rough orchid]

idk how yoi beat the runs where enemies are harder if you cannot dodge

and you cant beat theseus without any buffs

[meager ridge]

it's going to get worse at the final boss

[rough orchid]

you might need to practice bc if you cant dodge theres no way you can beat hades

[humble lotus]

He is em1

I havent played in months

[rough orchid]

…

naww you gotta be trolling

[humble lotus]

Thats why i cant dodge

[rough orchid]

em1 only changes meg

em2 changes lernie

[meager ridge]

the hell does em1 mean?

[humble lotus]

I dont know what they change

[rough orchid]

em3 changes theseus

[humble lotus]

Also i havent played in months

[rough orchid]

do you have em3

[signal aspen]

Extreme measures

[humble lotus]

Not currently

[rough orchid]

i know em3 gives theseus || a chariot|| idk anything else though

does theseus have that

[humble lotus]

Im also getting stressed by the fact i feel like im wasteing too much time

[rough orchid]

if not you are playing the normal theseus and should not have problems 😭

[humble lotus]

No

[meager ridge]

what is that modifier

[rough orchid]

you have 36 minutes chill

[humble lotus]

Im trying to

[signal aspen]

It gives bosses new attacks and stuff

[humble lotus]

Also im annoyed by my bad luck this run

[rough orchid]

it looks like you need practice with beating the game on 0 heat again

do you have all the god keepsakes

[humble lotus]

I just did

[meager ridge]

dear god, i hate regular boss attacks as they are

[humble lotus]

I have every bond maxed out

[meager ridge]

i still have to kill the final boss 9 times to complete the campaign

[humble lotus]

All i have left are songs, weapons dome decorations and the resource sinks

[rough orchid]

so how are you struggling with theseus

[meager ridge]

i've started hating this game because i keep dying to the same final boss over and over again

[humble lotus]

Im not

[rough orchid]

if you beat him like 60 times already to get all the ambrosia

[rough orchid]

#h1-discussion message

[humble lotus]

Im just stressed and rusty

Im stressed by the timer

[rough orchid]

ignore it

you are fine

[humble lotus]

Also annoyed by bad build luck

[rough orchid]

in 60 runs?

[meager ridge]

you can't get anywhere in this game without good luck

[humble lotus]

No 60 escapes

[rough orchid]

does anyone here more skilled than me know if thats even possible

[humble lotus]

I have like 300 runs

I got out 60 times

[rough orchid]

well

im sure you can figure it out on your own yet considering ive only won 5 times

[mint coral]

just missed epic greatest reflex while running ruthless

well done me

[humble lotus]

So is there a way to reset the gaurentee a boon will show up keepsakes?

As i need to get a certain god 3 times with good luck for this build and the third boon isnt showing up at all

[mint coral]

no way to reset that effect

[humble lotus]

Dang it

[mint coral]

have you got your god pool full yet?
should be having better chance than a non full god pool

[humble lotus]

I need dionysus again

[humble lotus]

God pool?

[mint coral]

each run can only have 4 gods naturally (not counting hermes and chaos)

if you have 3 of the 4 each reward would be a 1 in 8 of the gods you need
with the god pool filled it changes to 1 in 4

[humble lotus]

I have gotten 3

GOT IT

Dang it

The boon i need didnt show up

Im tempted to reset

[mint coral]

got it again so im fine

[humble lotus]

Why is this build so hard to get

Last run i got it in tarturous

[mint coral]

what are you trying to get?

[humble lotus]

Trippy flare, drunken strike, and black out

Do erebus gates count for chaos boons?

[wise oasis]

I think so, not sure

Does blackout count as a t2? its prerequisites are only t1s

[humble lotus]

T2?

I know i have gotten it in tartuerous before

[wise oasis]

tier 2, means it has prerequisites

[mint coral]

blackout is a legendary

[humble lotus]

With only trippy flare and drunken strike

[wise oasis]

Ive only gotten it once cuz dio cast kinda questionable

[mint coral]

i get it when doing hangover builds

[humble lotus]

I only do dio cast with naeling or hera bow

[wise oasis]

Might try it on poseidon sword for memes

or achilles

[mint coral]

dont forget ice wine

[humble lotus]

Problem with it is called im on console

Aka i cant aim it

[wise oasis]

mashing all the heats back down to low heat is very nice

[humble lotus]

I used posideon sword once

Thats it

Ironicaly i got excalibur before posideon sword

[wise oasis]

Its not bad, ive done almost only cast runs with it

[humble lotus]

Is it wierd. I have escaped with every aspect but 1

Being guan yu

[fiery bramble]

If it's not upgraded, I don't blame you

[humble lotus]

It is

I maxed it out

Still cant win with it

[wise oasis]

Try to get charged skewer and aphro/arti on special

the base attack is pretty bad, dash attack is ok

[humble lotus]

My issue is just it got rid of the main things that make me like spear

[wise oasis]

a spin hammer on it is great too

[mint coral]

or ignore the weapon and do smoldering air zeus

[humble lotus]

The spin attack and really good dash attack

[wise oasis]

the dash attack is the same isnt it?

[humble lotus]

Pretty sure its slower

Also the survivability

[mint coral]

i remember using god mode for guan yu prophecy

[spice flame]

Emmmm Where i can get more types of fish?

[humble lotus]

God mode?

[mint coral]

is in the settings of the game
20% damage resistance and it goes up by 2% each time you die

caps at 80%

rip no smoldering air poseidon call

[humble lotus]

Smoldering air?

Also i just got the best possible build for this run

Zeus attack on lucifer gun

[mint coral]

God gauge charges automatically but caps at 25% zeus/aphrodite duo boon

[humble lotus]

Oh yeah ive seen that

Never actualy got it though

Seemed really bad

[signal aspen]

It's really good

[mint coral]

most of the calls dont need full call so you get a lot of dps with it

[humble lotus]

I basicaly only go zeus for his aid or on lucifer gun

[mint coral]

• constant billowing strength/second wind is nice

[humble lotus]

I basicaly only use full calls

[modern garnet]

Some full calls are BAD

mostly dionysus's

[mint coral]

i also dont like full calls bc if you do enough damage to trigger a phase change soon after activating it you just stood there while losing most of the damage

[signal aspen]

Ares' call is bad

Even if you use the lesser call

It's still bad

[wise oasis]

The only full call I ever go for is arti and demeter, the rest its almost always a waste

[signal aspen]

Aphro full call is good

[wise oasis]

oh that too

[modern garnet]

Well sometimes you'd rather charm 4 enemies than charm 1 enemy and deal 2500 dmg

[wise oasis]

but also 2500 damage is a lot of happy juice in the brain

[signal aspen]

Big number make me say yes

[lone kernel]

Artemis and aphro calls are basically chthonic companions

[reef zodiac]

FO2 is such a nightmare

[vast nacelle]

what is fo2?

ah

i see

[signal aspen]

Free onions 2

[vast nacelle]

lol

[signal aspen]

[lone kernel]

forced overtime 2 from the pact - 40% faster bad guys

[brisk trail]

Is it weird that I find em4 easier than em3?

[lone kernel]

yes

lol ok there it is

yes, still weird lol

[vast nacelle]

what is the highest heat?

[mint coral]

64

[vast nacelle]

i think its 63 right?

[brisk trail]

64?

[lone kernel]

63

64 on hell mode

WR is 60 i think

[vast nacelle]

what is that?

[lone kernel]

someone will fact check me i bet

[mint coral]

61 with zeus shield

[reef zodiac]

FO2 EM3 HL5 Asterius is one of the scariest things in the game. Making me actually skip bossfight chambers in Elysium even if it’s a god I desperately need boons from

[brisk trail]

I assume the only way past 50 heat is extreme cheese strats

[mint coral]

You start with the pact of punishment, always need to do runs with at least 5 heat

[lone kernel]

second game mode when you start a new file, pact unlocked immediately and minimum 5 heat and not an easy 5 heat either

[mint coral]

And a special pact to hell mode

[reef zodiac]

No, it’s actually just extreme skill lol

[lone kernel]

i think its 1 in the top four and personal liability, unsure offhand

[reef zodiac]

It’s kinda hard to cheese super high heat I’m pretty sure

[vast nacelle]

why is everyone talking abt 50 heat?

[brisk trail]

Huh

[vast nacelle]

whats the specific thing with above 50?

is there anything special?

[mint coral]

You are forced to start with HL1 LC1 CF1 JS1 and Pl

[lone kernel]

i mean if you consider eris rail with athena's aid and smoldering air cheese, then yes lol

[lone kernel]

he just picked an arbitrary high number i think

my personal best is 40

and my builds were tight

[reef zodiac]

The difference between 62 heat and 63 heat is as big as the difference between 0 and 20 imo

[brisk trail]

I'm still progressing slowly with each weapon

Gonna unlock the first skelly statue tomorrow

[lone kernel]

just take eris rail and go for 32 and get them all

[reef zodiac]

Because you lose DDs (Stubbon Defiance at that heat)

[mint coral]

I did 40 with beo bc i liked the weapon

[lone kernel]

that last point of routine inspection

[mint coral]

But i dont want more heat than that

[lone kernel]

is a doozy

[brisk trail]

Is eris the one shot one kill, or the absorb power one

[lone kernel]

thats what i said about 20, 32 and 40 lol

[reef zodiac]

It is indeed

[lone kernel]

absorb power

[brisk trail]

Ah ok

[lone kernel]

throw a zeus keepsake on that once it's maxed out

zeus attack eris rail go brrrrrr

it's not a sure thing

but it wont be as brutally hard as you expect either

[mint coral]

Zeus attack alone is nice but you really want jolted/poseidon dash

[brisk trail]

I'm terrified of flame wheels hitting me for 30 each

[lone kernel]

nothing wrong with an athena for dash or call if that scares you

also launch the special, absorb the blast, go brr

youll melt the chariots

go out of the comfort zone, just yeet it

and then when you dial the heat back to something more reasonable

[brisk trail]

Divine dash, my favourite crutch

[lone kernel]

youll play better

yes, i am advocating psy op'ing yourself

[verbal tendon]

Eris rail fine on console?

[brisk trail]

Also, anyone here play kbm?

[lone kernel]

when i set up a high heat run, i max out the pact then subtract stuff rather than think "uhhh im at 38 do i want approval process or routine inspection" and overthink for a half hour

[lone kernel]

yep

my 40 Eris was on switch

as was every run ive ever done lol

[brisk trail]

I tried it today, died in elysium

Imagine using something like gilgamesh on kbm

[lone kernel]

nah, im a cotnroller guy

[verbal tendon]

@lone kernel seems annoying to always keep the buff up since it only lasts 4 seconds

[lone kernel]

you shoot more rockets while reloading. maximizes your uptime. also you can get rocket bomb or cluster bomb. i guarantee you it's worth the effort

you can rocket, empty your clip, special, absorb special, empty clip again

for best results zeus attack with jolted (and if you get the legendary youre about as close to a sure thing as you can get)

[reef zodiac]

Is Centaur soul affected by life affirmation? It’s not, right?

[reef zodiac]

As you get more used to Eris, you will get a lot better at keeping the buff active while still dealing optimal damage. Just remember to keep firing the special

[lone kernel]

my rule of thumb is special when i reload

itll take practice, but try to train that muscle memory

[rough orchid]

omg fr?

[verbal tendon]

@lone kernel like it better than beowulf? :p

[brisk trail]

Wut

[lone kernel]

in my opinion yes, but in others' no. it's because im not great with beo yet. but is definite top tier aspect, zeus attack and youre off to the races

and if you get a call

the eris buff affects it

[verbal tendon]

Ahhhh. Nice

[signal aspen]

Beowulf good

[lone kernel]

beowulf can do more withotu max blood

*without

compared to eris

idk, i like going brr with lightning gun

but beowulf def also good lol

[raw herald]

Beowulf good

[manic bobcat]

Talos sucks.

[raw herald]

Yeah

Imagine giving % damage to an attack with low base damage

[signal aspen]

Stinky

[reef zodiac]

This run I got epic life affirmation early and since I have HL5, I said to myself “I will always take health over poms”. Leaving champions, I have 402 health and a single upgrade on one boon. I stand by my decision.

With stubborn defiance and LC4, my actual health is only 30% of my full health, so I really need the extra health

[rough orchid]

im watching a video rn, which gun shoots yellow lasers?

[brisk trail]

lucifer

[modern garnet]

Color of beam changes with boon

[rough orchid]

omg

[reef zodiac]

Ok rip current must be extra rare right?

I’ve done so many runs with Poseidon call and I roll and roll and I almost never get it

Is it secretly legendary rarity?

I don’t understand

[south lagoon]

it was the last boon prophecy for me like i finished the duos before i got to it lol.. i figured just bad luck

[leaden geyser]

i think i got rip current exactly once

and it was to complete said prophecy

[reef zodiac]

Who knows enough about the game to know if this boon is coded to be less likely to get?

Because I actually really want to know

[raw herald]

It was my last boon as well

I bet it's because poseidon has a bunch of junk boons like sunken treasure

[reef zodiac]

I kinda need it for this build and I just never get it and it’s driving me crazy

I get Smoldering Air most of the time, but the real issue is Rip Current

It genuinely feels like it’s in a rarity tier of its own, harder to get even than duos and legendaries

[lone kernel]

Are all your core boon slots filled

I’ve found without that it doesn’t show up much either

[reef zodiac]

Interesting

I know filling my core slots can help with rare boons but it shouldn’t be this hard no matter what

But I guess if a boon is this rare, I need to play to force it to show up

I just wish it wasn’t so unjustifiably rare for seemingly no good reason

Also I have customs on which makes it a lot harder to fill the core slots

[lone kernel]

You can do it boyo

[reef zodiac]

I wonder if refreshing nectar increases my odds of getting Rip Current. Probably not. I’ll take it anyway because it’s the best

Ok seriously Lernie’s blue head (red circles attack) is unironically super hard and all the others are super easy and it’s not fair at all

Blue Lernie is genuinely very hard, although that could just be because of FO2

[brisk trail]

its rly hard

[mint coral]

Which one is the bkue head again?

[reef zodiac]

It has the red circles attack

It should either make less circles, do less damage, or be slower. It’s just way too difficult compared to the other versions of the boss

It’s like if champions would either be EM3 or EM0 and the game would decide at random when you entered the fight

It’s just stupid

And yes I’m at 40 heat so it’s supposed to be stupid but the fact remains that the other Lernie heads are still totally free but this one is incredibly hard

While I’m complaining about problems I have, I’d also like to say that I really have an issue with Ares

He’s good to build around (merciful end, hunting blades) but is absolutely worthless if you already have a build

And doom is pretty terrible without ME, at least in my experience

This makes Ares a god that is extremely repetitive, terrible to see if you didn’t take him first, and relies entirely on duo boons to make his builds work

[raw herald]

Ill take an epic doom on some weapons, especially if its on the attack/special that isn’t used as often

Stuff like zeus shield, I’d put it on attack

[reef zodiac]

You would?

[raw herald]

I wouldn’t prioritise it over Aphrodite, but its solid

[reef zodiac]

I might in Elysium but never in Tartarus where I could still get charged shot

[modern garnet]

Ares is like Zeus I think, you gotta invest a lot of boons in the god to make it worth it

[raw herald]

Shield base attack doesnt deal much damage unless you use zag shield

Or charged shot

[reef zodiac]

Nah, Zeus has a great call, good cast, and billowing strength. Ares has like no good boons unless you’re specifically building around them

Also Zeus is a lot easier to build around

[modern garnet]

Ares has uh... urge to kill.. lmao

[reef zodiac]

Urge to Kill sucks

[raw herald]

Battle rage is pretty nice on hestia

[reef zodiac]

That’s fair

[raw herald]

But thats about it tbh

[modern garnet]

Probably last time I took ares is when I invited him to the party

[reef zodiac]

Yeah battle rage can sometimes be good but other than that Ares is a terrible worthless support god

Hey Reid

[candid obsidian]

Hello

[fiery bramble]

Doom is great, you're crazy

[reef zodiac]

??

[raw herald]

Scroll up a bit

[reef zodiac]

Right now I’m using Ares just to fill my core boon slots so that I’m more likely to get the elusive mythical Rip Current

[high island]

That would reduce the odds for Rip Current because it increases the odds for legendary and duo boons.

[reef zodiac]

I stg this boon is hard-coded to just not show up. I’m in Tartarus and I’ve seen Breaking Wave 4 times, I’ve seen Tempest Flourish 3 times, I have all but one core slot full. Still no Rip Current

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I know, it just almost feels like Rip Current is coded like a legendary because it’s seemingly rarer than one

[high island]

Nope.

[reef zodiac]

Do you know how rare Rip Current is? Or why it’s so rare? Am I just unlucky and it’s the same rarity as every other Poseidon boon?

[high island]

You're aware you need Poseidon's Aid?

[modern garnet]

It's one of those boons that has a very specific prereq, so it's kind of a pain

Like all those boons that require dem cast

[reef zodiac]

Ofc

[high island]

Only priority boons, Razor Shoals, and his legendaries/duo boons are any different in how they're rolled. For all the other slots, it just randomly picks one.

[reef zodiac]

But it’s so much harder to get than glacial glare

[high island]

Unlocking his legendary or any Duo Boons would make it harder to get Rip Current.

[reef zodiac]

So I’m just astronomically unlucky

[modern garnet]

What's special about razor shoals

[high island]

God's Pride would make it easier than Gods' Legacy for similar reasons.

Razor Shoals is a t2 status curse, so it has a 50% chance to show up in a slot when you pick up a boon from Poseidon.

Assuming you meet the requirements.

Static Discharge, Hunter's Mark, and Blinding Flash behave the same way.

[reef zodiac]

Because I’ve gotten early Poseidon call and then seen at least 5 sets of 3 Poseidon boons and not gotten it. And I’ve done this like 6-8 times in a row

[modern garnet]

Huh cool

[high island]

I dunno what boons you were picking. You might have made it harder for yourself than necessary.

[reef zodiac]

Im not being offered legendaries or duos or anything

I’m filling my core slots whenever possible

I’m rerolling at least once every time

It’s literally never there

I’ve gotten that boon maybe twice ever

The best part is I end up with Smoldering Air like every time, but never ever Rip Current

And this is while I’m prioritizing Poseidon

[high island]

Not sure if rolling once every time is the right call.

[reef zodiac]

How

I’m searching for the boon

[high island]

But you might be just wasting rolls when the odds are bad and you should be picking something else to increase your odds.

[reef zodiac]

It’s ok I never run out of rolls

I prioritize keys and I rarely have to roll to get Smoldering Air

[high island]

Yeah but I mean you're consistently not getting the boon over multiple runs, apparently?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[high island]

So you must be doing something wrong.

[reef zodiac]

It’s the same seed if that matters

[high island]

Doesn't matter unless you're taking the exact same route.

[reef zodiac]

But I end up with different boons every time. Just never Rip Current

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I’m not

Also I had a ton of trouble getting it on my last seed, and I eventually gave up

[high island]

I mean the boon opens up 6 tier 2 boons, and you only want one of them.

[reef zodiac]

Btw I’m searching for it because this seed likes to give me Poseidon, I like to start with Aphro, so if I get Zeus in Tart or Asphodel then I can get Smoldering Air + Rip Current which would help a lot

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but I see the other ones a ton and never see Rip Current

I guess I’ll keep trying

[high island]

Once you have Poseidon's Aid, I'd probably just roll the first boon I see from him until I get Rip Current or Razor Shoals.

[raw herald]

Are you using persuasion or authority?

[high island]

Assuming Poseidon's Aid is your first boon from him, anyway.

And avoid Typhoon's Fury and Breaking Wave.

And also avoid Sunken Treasure and Ocean's Bounty.

If you can't get one of those two, just pick a core boon. If there's no core boon, pick Wave Pounding or Hydraulic Might or Boiling Blood.

Unless taking a core boon from him fills the last remaining slot, Razor Shoals takes priority.

[reef zodiac]

Definitely persuasion

[high island]

Might be easier to get with Authority.

[reef zodiac]

Well it’s still 40 heat so I can’t really afford to make that swap

I need good boons from other gods too

[high island]

Nah, you can.

It's not like you need Rip Current in the first place if you have Smoldering Air + Poseidon's Aid, anyway.

[fiery bramble]

Scrolled up and saw this lol, and my statement still applies

[high island]

But if you want Rip Current, might as well swap and try for that.

[reef zodiac]

But I need Smoldering Air, Thunder Flourish, and Heartbreak Strike

[high island]

Only thing you really need with that combo is poms on Call.

[reef zodiac]

Well imo you’re wrong lol doom sucks on almost every weapon unless you’re building around it

[high island]

Doom is good.

[raw herald]

Doom is good

[high island]

Good pom scaling.

[reef zodiac]

Ok well it’s terrible on Rama

[modern garnet]

Doom is fine

[high island]

It's amazing on Rama's Special.

[reef zodiac]

Is it?

[high island]

It is.

[fiery bramble]

So when I said Doom is good, you're crazy, your response was ????. So now my response is ?????

[raw herald]

It's top 3, which admittedly isn't a hard bar to reach

[fiery bramble]

Doom is great

[modern garnet]

Doom is top 3 of what?

[reef zodiac]

I said ??? Because I said “support god” and you start talking about putting a boon on your primary damage output

[raw herald]

On Rama special

[modern garnet]

Oh, rama special specifically. Sure

[high island]

I mean I'd probably put Doom over Hangover on Rama? Hard to say. Those two and Thunder Flourish are all really really good.

[fiery bramble]

Bruh you said Ares is trash and only a support God, my point was that that isn't true???

[reef zodiac]

No, I said he’s a trash support god

[raw herald]

I don't think he said that

[high island]

It's not like it really matters which one you're using unless you're speedrunning any heat.

[reef zodiac]

Ares is good if you build around it

Absolutely garbage support god with literally a maximum of one good boon if you already have an attack and special

[high island]

Urge to Kill, Battle Rage, and Curse of Vengeance are all really good.

[reef zodiac]

Urge to Kill is good??

[high island]

Yeah.

[raw herald]

It's pommable

[reef zodiac]

It’s worse than a pom in most situations

[high island]

You're writing off boons so quickly lol.

[fiery bramble]

Bro you deleted the post where you said Ares was trash lmfao, what is even happening

Hilarious

[reef zodiac]

Ewww +3% damage is not worth a Pom

[reef zodiac]

I deleted nothing ????

I actually didn’t delete anything you’re tripping

[raw herald]

Yeah sometimes it decides not to load messages

[reef zodiac]

Don’t mock me with an emote just because your internet sucks lmao

[high island]

No need to be fighty anyway.

Both of you.

[reef zodiac]

Ares is really bad god unless you’re building around it and I stand by that

[modern garnet]

Urge to kill is one of those boons where you can't tell if it's working or not, for me

Forgettable boon that gets none of the credit

[raw herald]

Unless a boon has a visual effect, or is really really good, I don't usually notice it

Or if it allows me to one shot an enemy rather than 2 shot it

[high island]

I mean if that's the hill you want to die on.

[lone kernel]

Urge to kill is okay, I’ll take it to sell but now I wanna Pom it and see what happens. Just sold it tho 😦

[raw herald]

I don't notice double strike. There, I said it

[manic bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-controversial-yet-so-brave-controversial-brave-gif-12046682

[reef zodiac]

You disagree? If you’re in Asphodel with almost any aspect, your attack and special slots are filled, and you have a 3-god pool, is there any god you’d want to see less than Ares?

[limber mist]

Hey guys, gotta question. Is there anyway for me to find out or figure out how much blood I've invested in each weapon including what it takes to unlock upgrade each one? Don't know if there is a resource out there or anything that would help?
I annoyingly didn't keep track so I don't know if I've met certain requirements. Appreciate any help!

[manic bobcat]

the wiki has all of that information i think

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Infernal_Arms

[raw herald]

For level1/2/3/4/5:
Zag aspects: 1/1/1/1/1
2nd row: 1/2/3/4/5
3rd row: 2/2/3/4/5
All are blood

I think you have to count it manually

[high island]

I don't think there's a lot of overlap in how you and I approach builds if you're asking me such a general question.

[limber mist]

@raw herald thanks, not entirely sur I’m understanding that breakdown 😬

[raw herald]

That's the cost for each level of each aspect

In titan blood

[limber mist]

Zag doesn’t cost all one?

Are you saying One to unlock?

[raw herald]

It's 1 blood per level

And 1 to unlock

[high island]

5 for 1st aspects, 15 for 2nd and 4th aspects, 16 for 3rd aspects.

To max out.

[limber mist]

Damn, I’m sadly not understanding this apologies. Wish there was a visual graph or something. Blows my mind you can’t respec

Of all the things this game tracks and they don’t have this

[raw herald]

Soon titan blood will become plentiful

[limber mist]

I don’t really see how

2 a run isn’t plentiful

[olive goblet]

Kill faster get money

[limber mist]

I’m 50hrs in and really starting to hate the repetitive grind

Not to mention rng garbage

[raw herald]

Either up the heat, or try out new challenges

Don't play for the sake of grinding blood

[high island]

RNG?

[limber mist]

Well I’m trying to get the completion at this point

[lone kernel]

For max it’ll be 5/15/16/15 in order

306 total

[raw herald]

Also you can trade other meta-currencies to eventually get titan blood

[limber mist]

Ii just can’t figure with each ones levels where I’m at

Like I don’t know if I’ve put 5 or more in gloves so don’t want to keep running looking for stupid bull to get the convo trigger

[raw herald]

Go to the menu where you select what aspect to play, can check the levels there

[limber mist]

Right but the levels don’t tell me anything

[high island]

It's not like you have to go out of your way to run into Asterius.

[raw herald]

Well if a zag aspect is level 3, it means youve put 3 blood into it

If a 2nd row aspect is level 3, you've put 6 blood into it

[limber mist]

Is there really no visual graph out there or table with the breakdowns of everything?

[raw herald]

Probably on the wiki

[limber mist]

I’ll check again I guess

[high island]

Bruh, they just broke down how much Titan Blood each level is, and you can check which level your aspects are.

[limber mist]

Bruh, it’s not making sense to me. Bruh.

🙄

[high island]

I don't get the impression you're trying.

[limber mist]

I get the impression your being condescending simply bc I don’t understand the game as much as you who i imagine lives and breathes it m

Each person gave me a visually different break down, apologies for my confusion.

[reef zodiac]

Alright fair enough. For me, at least on 9 out of 10 builds, Ares is literally the last god I’d want to see when I’ve already filled my core boon slots

[lone kernel]

It’ll say level 1/2/3/4/5

[limber mist]

DMd you.

[raw herald]

I made an epic spreadsheet http://imgur.com/gallery/Op54jaw

Whoops

[high island]

From what I've read from you, I think you're prioritizing filling your core boon slots too much. The most effective builds for high heat rarely have all 5 slots filled. It's just something that happens sometimes, and sometimes it's done deliberately as a means to an end, but it's almost never a priority.

@reef zodiac

[reef zodiac]

Yes

I’m not worried about filling my core boon slots, actually to a fault. I end runs with an empty cast, dash, and occasionally even call sometimes

[limber mist]

That’s perfect, really appreciate it. The only other thing I need to figure is how much it cost to unlock them (I’ve unlocked them all so don’t know how much they add up to)

[raw herald]

This isn't cumulative btw

[raw herald]

Unlock cost is the same as level 1 cost

[reef zodiac]

I definitely don’t think I over prioritize it, but I do often have an idea in my mind of the optimal attack or special that I want

Sometimes dash too, and occasionally call if I have smoldering air

[limber mist]

Ah ok, got ya. Sincerely appreciate you taking the time!

Much obliged

[reef zodiac]

What I did do was view a lot of mediocre boons as useless. As I’m running more high heat I think I do that a lot less, but it helps that I can view boons as fodder for Underworld Customs

[high island]

Curse of Agony and Curse of Pain are pretty good on almost every weapon and scale super well with global bonus damage. Blade Dash is great for melee. Slicing Shot is one of the best Cast picks if you have Lady Artemis in your pool. Curse of Vengeance does a lot of damage and can open Curse of Nausea and Vengeful Mood. Blood Frenzy can actually do a lot of work at high heat with SD. Battle Rage is busted on some aspects. Urge to Kill is one of only a few % bonus Cast damage sources you can find in a run.

His only bad boons really are Ares' Aid and Freezing Vortex.

m not a fan of Curse of Drowning, personally, but it's not bad.

[raw herald]

Does black metal count? Or is it on the same tier as storm lightning

[reef zodiac]

The “sucks but helps get the legendary” tier?

[raw herald]

Yeah

[high island]

Black Metal probably does more than you'd think.

[raw herald]

The "you'd really rather have double strike/engulfing vortex" tier

[high island]

Better AOE is not bad.

I only wish it wasn't pommable lol.

[raw herald]

Not bad... but I'd rather make the rifts suck

Literally

[reef zodiac]

But black metal is definitely better than Storm lightning or high voltage

[high island]

Right. Engulfing Vortex is the better pick there.

[reef zodiac]

Ofc

[high island]

Storm Lightning is kinda underrated.

[tulip ridge]

Ares has my favorite boons and duos, especially the ones with Aphrodite and zeus

[reef zodiac]

Also, do you still consider Curse of Vengeance good even with HL5? Because I get hit on average like twice per room (and sure I do get hit a few times in some boss fights but against Hades and Champions that number is less than 12 even with Acorn

[high island]

Yeah.

[reef zodiac]

How is 280 damage per room anything but bad

I do that much damage with a single attack, and I can actually direct it and don’t have to get hit

[high island]

I mean you're not supposed to go out of your way to get hit lol.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I know

[high island]

It's not single target.

It's an AOE around Zagreus.

[reef zodiac]

That is true, but I rarely get stuck in swarms of enemies past Tartarus and I never die in Tartarus

[fair notch]

anyone know how to do Aphrodites favor?

[signal aspen]

Max your bond with Susan, meg, and than

Susan

Bruh

Dusa

[high island]

[signal aspen]

[fair notch]

how i do that?

with necter?

[high island]

Same emote.

[reef zodiac]

I almost never see curse of vengeance hit more than 2 enemies, and usually it only hits one

I’m willing to believe you on it, you know more about the game than I do, but it just feels really bad to have the boon and I feel like it doesn’t do anything even at Epic

[raw herald]

But it scales ridiculously well with poms

Like, double damage in 2 poms

[reef zodiac]

I’d rather get 20% extra attack damage

[raw herald]

All vengeance boons do frozen touch

[high island]

You have weird expectations of passive boons, I think.

They all don't do that much overall.

[reef zodiac]

Frozen touch feels way better to have then any other vengeance boon? Is that insane

[high island]

Curse of Vengeance at high rarity can kill off enemies for you when things go bad.

[raw herald]

My favourite is holy shield tbh

Not for the damage tho

[reef zodiac]

Holy Shield is good

[high island]

I used to like Frozen Touch a lot. Now it's kind eh. It's not bad, certainly.

[reef zodiac]

I don’t like it but it’s medium. I’ll still sell it for underworld customs and be happy about it

[raw herald]

Right, changing the topic. But what if snow burst came packaged with icy flare

[high island]

The worst part about Frozen Touch if you're not doing a Cast build is that she is in my pool.

[high island]

Time to mod her out of the game.

[modern garnet]

The meter boon

[raw herald]

Was thinking of ways to make icy flare good without just upping the numbers

It wouldn't affect snow burst at all, you'd still be able to get it

[reef zodiac]

I’d rather have Demeter than Ares any day

[high island]

He does so much damage.

She..

Well.

She paints enemies white, I guess?

That's something.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah they both really aren’t very good support gods imo

[humble lotus]

I have never found ares very good

[raw herald]

Demeter and gods pride is an insane combo, then you realise that it's still only 35% with a keepsake

[humble lotus]

Idk why but all his abilities feel underwelming

[reef zodiac]

But Demeter makes me less frustrated than Ares does and I’m not really sure why

[high island]

Ravenous Will, Snow Burst, and Demeter's Aid are almost always decent.

[lone kernel]

Arctic blast 💚

[high island]

Killing Freeze is both really good and really overrated tbh.

[reef zodiac]

No offense but we kinda already had this conversation except I made a much less extreme claim and everyone still disagreed with me so…

[raw herald]

I briefly thought killing freeze did % damage

[modern garnet]

Is snow burst better with stygian or normal

[raw herald]

Infernal, on cast loading aspects

Thats where it's the best

[reef zodiac]

I mean you don’t build a cast build around snow burst, but you take it in any cast build. So it doesn’t really matter? But probably infernal

[high island]

People be like look how much of my damage came from Killing Freeze... and it's like yeah because that's the only boon that's doing damage because her other boons don't.

[raw herald]

It's a 2 in 1 boon

You get numbing sensation and lvl1 drunken strike all in 1

[reef zodiac]

I’ll just stick to my new two favorite gods, Zeus and Aphrodite
And Artemis and Poseidon as my backup two

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite is the bestest.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah I think you’re right about that

Big numbers + Damage reduction

[raw herald]

I'm growing on Dionysus Dionysus is growing on me

[high island]

The best players start every run with the .

[reef zodiac]

Plus my new favorite duo boon

[raw herald]

I've started taking him a lot on splash dash start aspects

[high island]

Every. Run.

[reef zodiac]

Wellll idk about that

[high island]

Heretic.

[reef zodiac]

But I do start every Rama run like that

[raw herald]

I start Zeus on Rama, it's fun

[high island]

Then you should only play Rama.

[reef zodiac]

Zeus is always my second priority

[high island]

Heretic.

[reef zodiac]

And then I go for Smoldering Air

It’s perfect

[raw herald]

whispers I like having level 4 flourish and jolted thankyou

[reef zodiac]

And Relentless Volley?

[raw herald]

No

[high island]

You can whisper that to my sacred crocodiles when they eat you.

[reef zodiac]

Why

[raw herald]

Twin/triple + point blank

Zeus special is mainly for making Tartarus easy

[reef zodiac]

Point blank? Nahhh I prefer relentless volley but what do I know

[raw herald]

Im not even sure if relentless allows multiple bolts to hit

[high island]

Do you wanna know how to make Tartarus easy?

You pick Rama.

[raw herald]

I'm not tailesque sorry

[reef zodiac]

On 40 heat Rama (in my limited experience of like 10 runs today), nothing is actually difficult until Elysium (unless you get the stupid blue Lernie head which is actually stupid hard)

[soft echo]

You pick Hestia, Hera, or Zeus.

[reef zodiac]

That seems like a random selection

[lone kernel]

If I can do 40 heat Rama so can you

[soft echo]

Well for starters they all have E

[lone kernel]

I did heart rend tho

[raw herald]

Achilles is fast at Tartarus

[soft echo]

Hestia Hera and Zeus are all just safe weapons that can be pretty darn fast

[high island]

Rama bounties should start at 40.

[reef zodiac]

Beowulf annihilates Tartarus

[soft echo]

Achilles is fast at Tartarus
Achilles is like a top 3 or 4 fastest weapon period

[signal aspen]

Beowulf annihilates everything

[high island]

Beowulf breaks everything. It's busted.

[reef zodiac]

They know that

[high island]

You know what also breaks everything?

[soft echo]

Eris?

[raw herald]

2nd actually :)

[reef zodiac]

Aphrodite?

[high island]

Link.

[raw herald]

Hyaaah

[reef zodiac]

I’ve started taking tooth into asphodel because I’m so scared of the blue lernie head

[signal aspen]

If you're scared of it then you should kill it

[reef zodiac]

But it’s so hard

[high island]

Sounds like somebody needs practice against White Lernie.

[reef zodiac]

Wym

[soft echo]

I have 170 hours in the game and I still have 0 idea on which Lernie is hardest and what they do

[high island]

I mean you need practice.

[reef zodiac]

Every other Lernie head is actually free

But the blue head is super hard

[reef zodiac]

You’ll notice the difference though. The blue head makes the circles on the ground and is actually really really hard with FO2 and a lot of hard labor. I kills me where other Lernie heads don’t even take my Stubborn Defiance

[reef zodiac]

Also I have like a lot of practice. Every other head is easier than the furies fight, but the blue head is nearly as hard as Champions (EM3)

[soft echo]

I'm a firm believer that EM2 and EM3 fights are both harder than the EM4 fight

[reef zodiac]

Well I’m a firm believer that that’s an absurd insane take that makes no sense

[soft echo]

Maybe not with FO2/Hard Labor but FO1 is fine

[reef zodiac]

How many times have you beaten EM4?

[soft echo]

Uh

Like 5

Achilles, Rama, Nemesis, Chaos,

Not sure if I actually did a 5th

[reef zodiac]

That take is so wrong I actually think you’re insane but what do I know

[signal aspen]

What

[soft echo]

I'm wrong in most players' eyes but that might just be because I'm good at Phase 3 and the other stuff isn't too bad for me

[reef zodiac]

Phase 3 isn’t the bad part I don’t think

Phase 1 is the worst part

[soft echo]

Yeah

[reef zodiac]

He summons minibosses

[signal aspen]

Ok but how is em2 harder

[soft echo]

It's overwhelming and has lava which is terrible

[reef zodiac]

But also an extra phase is like a huge huge deal, even if that phase isn’t all that much harder than a normal Hades phase 2 for you (which I disagree with)

[reef zodiac]

Bruh

I’m not even gonna argue with you lmao

[signal aspen]

Ah yes

[soft echo]

[signal aspen]

The L A V A

[soft echo]

I'm just better at Hades than any other fight ig

[signal aspen]

Fizzlypop built different

[reef zodiac]

Mmm hmm

[soft echo]

[modern garnet]

Em2 is barely harder than regular lernie

[reef zodiac]

Well then here’s my hot take (not as hot as that but still kinda hot):
With EM3, HL5, and FO2, Asterius miniboss is harder than Champions fight

[fiery bramble]

EM2 Lernie is easier than base Lernie

[signal aspen]

I kinda agree ngl

[modern garnet]

The room smaller, is that why

[reef zodiac]

The arena is way smaller, he never bonks on Theseus, his spin literally covers 80% of the room

There are fewer obstacles to hide behind

[soft echo]

Also I'd like to comment that every time I fought/beat EM4 i got easy minibosses and basically perfect builds because RNGesus was on my side

[reef zodiac]

And you found it easier than Lernie in those runs?

[signal aspen]

Yes

[soft echo]

I probably got everything good in Elysium or I'm just ass at Lernie

Well, I am bad at lernie but especially that run

I can't type

**those runs

[fiery bramble]

To be fair, that's ridiculous

[plain hill]

jesus christ hell mode was rough

I played this originally when it came out on PC and got to be decent

bought for PS5

and took me WAY too many attempts to get my first hades kill

[soft echo]

Ok I'm gonna sound clueless but what even is Hell Mode/ how do you activate it?

[crude surge]

You have to do it when you start the save file

[plain hill]

has to be turned on at the start of the play through ye

starts you on heat 5

[manic bobcat]

hell mode makes you fight cerberus as the final boss

no cap

[plain hill]

with one of them being a hell mode exclusive that removes the dmg cap you can take in a burst

[crude surge]

It makes you always take HL LC CP JS and the Personal Liability

[plain hill]

which I didn't realize was a thing

until I lost it

[crude surge]

PL is helmode exclusive

[plain hill]

and then I get one shot by a witch bomb cluster if I'm unlucky 😂

[crude surge]

[soft echo]

No...

[crude surge]

Yes…

[soft echo]

No no no

[plain hill]

ngl that was the roughest part

[soft echo]

Not Cerby

[plain hill]

you finish off hades

[crude surge]

Yes yes yes

[plain hill]

feel like a boss

[soft echo]

You're lying

[plain hill]

and then BAM

[crude surge]

He’s troofing

[plain hill]

doggo comes flying out

[soft echo]

I'm gonna cry

I'll intentionally lose

[crude surge]

Poggies

[soft echo]

Also is hell mode on Switch?

[crude surge]

Yes

[soft echo]

Or is it called heck mode because Nintendo

[plain hill]

lol

[signal aspen]

You also have to fight mom when you beat cerb

[soft echo]

Now you're actually just capping

I just now started a new save with hell mode on so I'll see because i feel pranked

[plain hill]

Let us know when you can bring yourself to kill best boi

[soft echo]

Died to meg my first heck mode run

[covert zenith]

Wait what's hell mode

[whole ridge]

I'll be honest, I never learned about the shield that Liability disables until rather recently when I just face-tanked for out DPS'ing a boss

[whole ridge]

It's a difficulty mode you can select when starting a new save file that from the get go forces 5 Heat from the Pact of Punishment onto you, including a Hell Mode exclusive one called Personal Liability

[covert zenith]

Oh
What does that do

[plain hill]

No cap on burst damage you can take

So you can get one shot if enough things attack you at the same time

[covert zenith]

Ohh

Well
I just came to say that I did a heatless run and improved my PB by 2 minutes ||bc no EM4 lol||

[dusky viper]

How do u do the spoiler thing

[covert zenith]

||

Before and after

[dusky viper]

One on either side?

Oh nvm

|neat|

||neat||

[reef zodiac]

It can also go up if you get hit really hard. EM3 Asterius can put up my shield with his charge with enough HL

It just goes up when you take a ton of damage really fast

[plain hill]

yeah definitely, it removes the cap on burst dmg

but idk that any single attack can take you from full to zero

while getting ganged up on definitely can with PL on

[reef zodiac]

If you have HL5 and hades gives you boiling blood and then hits with his spin, does it do 200 damage?

What’s the strongest attack in the game, taking into account that Hades can do boiling blood to double any attack

[tulip ridge]

Do hades stab and spin do different amounts of damage?

And I have to image that, for dps, the lasers would melt you with pl and hl5

[reef zodiac]

Yeah but I mean single attack. Just out of curiosity

But yeah lasers are pretty terrifying with PL

[chrome wharf]

Put Gilga's Maim over it and it can go even higher, probably

[lavish atlas]

Hey friends, I am trying to give Eurydice ambrosia for her last heart and I don't seem to be able to do it. ||Orpheus is not present and she had no additional dialogue for me.|| Any ideas?

[modern garnet]

you need to complete their story to get her last heart

which means more hearts with orpheus and a lot of talkin

[stoic violet]

Questions about choosing the right rooms to get the ||satyr sack.|| Is it all luck?

[south lagoon]

it will never be the first room. otherwise it's luck

[stoic violet]

Never the first room, got it