h1-discussion

[stoic flame]

yes

[brisk trail]

yes

[raw herald]

Yes

[stoic flame]

the 10th time

[clever thicket]

Free heat 6 I guess woooo

I wouldve 100% died

[proud zodiac]

I have Zeus call right now

[brisk trail]

imagine someone doing max heat like that haha

[raw herald]

Zeus call is probably the best one for smoldering air

Constant application of jolted

[proud zodiac]

It's either lightning strike (epic), smoldering Air, and double strike (epic)

I don't have an attack modifier yet

[raw herald]

What weapon

And aspect

[proud zodiac]

Fists, max aspect of zag

[raw herald]

Do you have jolted?

[proud zodiac]

Not yet

[brisk trail]

I had to fight hades what?

[raw herald]

Hmm, I'd take smoldering air tbh

But attack and dstrike are both good

[dusty lark]

So should I take patrocles or shop

[brisk trail]

I don't know for certain I was just kinda guessig.

[raw herald]

Are you in danger of losing the run?

[dusty lark]

Nah

All my death defiance’s

[proud zodiac]

I have the thing from Zeus/Posiedon that makes enemies get struck by lightning when I knock them back

[raw herald]

Do you have money and/or boons that you want

[dusty lark]

784

[raw herald]

Shop

[dusty lark]

And uh dionysus cast

His is the best IMO

[brisk trail]

Why would you punish yourself like thst

[raw herald]

Maybe shoot for Poseidon attack then

[brisk trail]

Dio cast ugh

[proud zodiac]

I have Poseidon special

[dusty lark]

It’s so good

[dusty lark]

What do u think is the best

[brisk trail]

I hate it but I've only tried it once

[dusty lark]

Trust uograded and spam it’s real good

[raw herald]

Dio cast is good if you can aim it, which is easier with ice wine

[brisk trail]

Zeus/ Demeter

Both great

[dusty lark]

Zeus good but I can assume Demeter just freezes

I got Demeter special pen hades spear

[raw herald]

I like phalanx shot and slicing shot

And flood flare

[brisk trail]

Getting multipule casts demeter means your cast melts health

[dusty lark]

Slicing shot is real good

[proud zodiac]

Demeter cast drops a crystal beam that can wrack up massive damage

Which can be upgraded to chill and also has several duo boons that make it way stronger

[brisk trail]

I brought Hydra down to 75% health in under 15 seconds with demeter cast

[dusty lark]

Should I upgrade base divine strike frost flourish or divine dash

[raw herald]

Divine strike

[dusty lark]

Also does hydra always have the two points where it’s invincible and spawns other heads

[raw herald]

Yes

[mint coral]

Ye

[brisk trail]

Yes

Is there a keepsake that increases duo boon chance?

[raw herald]

All god keepsakes increase the chance for their own boons

[dusty lark]

Rare sucken treasure regular floodshot or rare posiedens aid

[raw herald]

What weapon?

And aspect

[dusty lark]

Hades spear

With massive spin

[raw herald]

Probably just the aid

[brisk trail]

I thought it just guaranteed the first boon to be that god

[dusty lark]

Also does the storng drink total bonus damage mean how much I’ve got or how much it gives

[raw herald]

And gives rarity chance

[brisk trail]

Yeah

[dusty lark]

Cuz if it gives 12% at rare its op

[wise oasis]

It's how much you have

[dusty lark]

Ight

[wise oasis]

Rare gives 4%

[dusty lark]

Thanks

What’s the max

[brisk trail]

I think I might swap out Aphro Attack for Artemis attack on my Chiron. I've not got Aphro attack for the past few runs and this time I got Artemis attack and nearly beat hades

[wise oasis]

Theoretical max is 35 if you somehow get a fountain in each biome and yo get strong drink in tartarus

[raw herald]

Yep

[brisk trail]

Is it better to do Dio attack Artemis Special or Artemis Attack Dio special on Chiron?

[wise oasis]

But you're not likely to get that

[raw herald]

The latter

[brisk trail]

Now I need more nectar for Artemis then

Is the 20 key upgrade for the mirror the final level?

[wise oasis]

Yes

[brisk trail]

Ah okay

[wise oasis]

Best upgrades are down therr

[dusty lark]

Yo Dionysus has my least favorite thing for attack and special since it just adds hangover with no bonus damage but his other stuff is the best

[raw herald]

Hangover is bonus damage

[brisk trail]

It only becomes good if you put poms into it

[proud zodiac]

Wow I just killed both theseus and Asterius in like, less than a minute

[raw herald]

And scales well with global damage

[brisk trail]

And this

[dusty lark]

Ik but doesn’t make it stronger

[proud zodiac]

Thanks to meg summon and the insane damage I have going on

[dusty lark]

But other adds affects and stronger damage

[raw herald]

Doesn't need to

[brisk trail]

I had lv4 special and was doing 50 damage per tick

Probably higher

All depends on the weapon ig

[dusty lark]

Darn

Damn

[raw herald]

I've had Dio call do 800 DPS

And it wasn't even pommed that much

[brisk trail]

It works well on Chiron because you get the high level of hangover almost immediately

i feel like hangover attack is better on weapons that attack quickly like fists or rail

Can you get Demeter in Trial of the God's?

[raw herald]

Yes

[brisk trail]

Or no

[wise oasis]

Dio call is so good

Trippy flare on beo is also great

[proud zodiac]

Is the flying kick upgrade good or bad on fists

[wise oasis]

Killed em3 heroes in like 10 secs today

[brisk trail]

Whats the hardest? I used to have trouble with Dio but not anymore

[dusty lark]

Posieden or she’s

Zeus

[wise oasis]

Aphrodite and Demeter are annoying

[brisk trail]

I find Zeus a cakewalk

Athena is super easy for me

I don't really like any of Athenas boons other than dash really

[dusty lark]

Wait r we talking abt trials or Theseus

[brisk trail]

Trials

Once I beat Asterius solo once I don't have to do it again right

[raw herald]

Not in that same run, no

[brisk trail]

Can Theseus summon demeter?

[wise oasis]

Yes

[brisk trail]

And Hermes actually because Hermes is a separate thing

[wise oasis]

Hermes no

[proud zodiac]

Holy wowsers I just got splitting bolt

On top of all of this

Hades about to get bulldozed

[brisk trail]

Hermes is wierd. He can bypass Olympians Keepsakes and his reward table is the most unique too. He's also the only Olympian to offer a keepsake unlike the rest. Why is this?

[raw herald]

You can only see 2 Hermes boons per run, 3 if you buy the one in Styx

Treat him like hammers

[brisk trail]

I've only made it to Hades twice he scares me. Those skulls actually make me want to die

[brisk trail]

In the scenario I'm offered a Hammer and a Hermes boon, which one should I go for?

[raw herald]

Depends on so many things

Can't list them all

But usually hammer

[proud zodiac]

You can break them

[brisk trail]

I always passed up hammers but I now realise just how amazing they are

Like chain shot for example

[proud zodiac]

Always take hammers

Always

[brisk trail]

They're just amazint

[dusty lark]

Yo I got the uograded Pom should i use it on lvl 2 on lvl1 crystal beam or lvl1 divine dash

[raw herald]

Never pom divine dash

[brisk trail]

I'd say crystal beam but I'm not too sure. I'm fairly new so I don't have a lot of game knowledge

[raw herald]

It does nothing

Crystal beam is the best to pom here

[brisk trail]

Divine Dash is only there for the deflect

[shadow kernel]

Not necessarily

Some builds don’t benefit too much from hammers

[proud zodiac]

Just posted the run I just did

[brisk trail]

Quite often I'll use Chain Shot and the one that adds arrows to my special

So with Artemis Special on Coronacht, is it a % chance for one arrow to crit or all arrows to crit?

[mint coral]

for one arrow iirc

[clever thicket]

I've been using the builds pinned in #h1-for-new-players for a while, I was wondering if there was a guide like this with different builds ;o

[brisk trail]

Should I be trying to make my own build or should I use one from someone else? I feel I have a fairly good grasp on the basics of the game but I might not.

[raw herald]

You can experiment with different things

[proud zodiac]

I think I also got a chaos boon that boosted my backstab damage by 154%

[raw herald]

Soon you'll get an idea of what's good and what's not

[dry mauve]

i feel like most weapon aspects can get by with
"take a particular core boon and then experiment with things you think synergize well with the core boon"

[brisk trail]

So for Chiron?

[dry mauve]

like sure you could try and force something particular on rail, for example
but "lightning strike into whatever gods you end up finding" is going to be good enough to carry your run even if its not optimal

[raw herald]

You can genuinely get a good build on Chiron using any special

[whole ridge]

Think I might start messing around with Extreme Measures soon.

[dry mauve]

for chiron i would recommend starting artemis, aphrodite, or dionysus special

if you start aphrodite or dionysus you can probably build into PS easily

[brisk trail]

I actually wanna use the Rail again now that I'm using the bow. Maybe I'll like it more

[dry mauve]

if you start artemis then take FF

[brisk trail]

Plus I need the Titans blood

[mint coral]

only thing to remember about chiron is that zeus special is not as good as it sounds

[raw herald]

Zeus special is good

It holds the modded WR

[brisk trail]

FF?

[raw herald]

Just need more zeus

But yes, it isn't as good as it sounds

[brisk trail]

What's FF lol

[raw herald]

Family favourites

[dry mauve]

family favorite

[brisk trail]

Ah I don't have that yet

[dry mauve]

its a mirror talent

[mint coral]

is the opposite of priviliged status

[dry mauve]

really its hard to go too wrong with chiron

[brisk trail]

Yeah it's unlocked with 20 keys right?

[dry mauve]

the special its 80 base damage by itself, which is pretty high

[raw herald]

But is slow

[dry mauve]

but safe!

[raw herald]

Locks you in place

It's fun, but lacks AOE

[dry mauve]

just stand faaaar away

i remember when the special used to be 105 damage

my poor baby got nerfed 😦

[mint coral]

chiron lack of aoe is the only thing i dislike, at least cast can help a bit

[brisk trail]

Laughs in Tisiphone.

[dry mauve]

the one good thing about zeus special on chiron is that you have aoe

you can just use the regular special without lock on to spread bolts on enemies

[raw herald]

And the fact that Zeus boons scale stupidly well with themselves

[dry mauve]

though hitting everyone with one bolt is most effective in tartarus, where that one proc of 30-45 damage actually kills

[brisk trail]

Woah uh what's God mode?

[raw herald]

Basically easy mode

Gives you 20% damage reduction, +2% when you die and it caps at 80%

[chrome wharf]

^^

[brisk trail]

Bro that's so dumb.

[wise oasis]

Zeus boons scaling with themselves is cool imo, cuz Zeus is super self centered

[dry mauve]

i think god mode should be -2% damage reduction if you win

[raw herald]

No limitations to story or anything, so there's no shame in using it

Just can't submit speedruns

[chrome wharf]

I mean it's easy mode, and imo pretty well executed

[raw herald]

But why would you be using God mode for speedruns anyway

[brisk trail]

Maybe I can finally stand a chance against hades.

[dry mauve]

because its easier?

you can facetank enemies to dps them harder

[brisk trail]

Yeah

[dry mauve]

intsead of dodging

[raw herald]

It's against the rules in SR.com

If you are capable of going that fast, you don't need god mode

[chrome wharf]

I mean, there are speedruns that are done on easy (or the easiest) mode in other games (Ori, Nier Gestalt, FE3H), so it's up to the community

[dry mauve]

yeah I know that you cant use god mode, but the rule is there because god mode is an advantage over no god mode

it doesnt matter if you're good enough to beat the game without god mode, if turning it on lets you go faster people will do it unless its not allowed

[raw herald]

It wouldn't even be that much faster

High confidence isn't that hard to maintain

[dry mauve]

probably not, but not having to worry about your hp is still valuable

[raw herald]

And in normal speedruns you out-DPS every enemy in the game anyway

[shadow kernel]

Clockets moment

I suck with high confidence

[deep zenith]

Dusa my beloved

[dusty lark]

Should I pick epic drunken strike that deals 10 hangover or my divine strike that adds 89%

[dry mauve]

depends on the weapon

[dusty lark]

Hades spear

[shadow kernel]

Divine

[dusty lark]

Thanks

[deep zenith]

[dry mauve]

10 hangover damage is 20 damage per second

[proud zodiac]

Yeah I honestly attribute my last win to the chaos boon I got that gave me 156% backstab damage

[dry mauve]

spear's base attack is 25 damage

so 89% damage boost will deal more damage as long as you're attacking at least once per second

oh wait, i forgot that hangover stacks five times lol

honestly the hangover might be better

[shadow kernel]

What about the damage buff from punishing sweep

The spin attack itself will do big damage

And it’ll make your regular attacks way stronger too

[wet frigate]

I just completed my first rama clear

[dusty lark]

God dammit

I just beat the final boss

I fished and I messed up so I turned of my Xbox and sent back and it’s at the start

[dry mauve]

damage buffs stack additively

the +89% is only applied to the base spear damage

[void cipher]

58 clears and I haven't unlocked the Achilles relationship stuff...this hurts a little lol

[shadow kernel]

Nice

[mint coral]

high confidence guan yu is fun

[stoic flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542626226167087104/879439297370030190/unknown.png

LETS GOOO

[void cipher]

lol

love seeing those scrolls

[wet frigate]

Chaos always give me stuff that isnt helpful

[clever thicket]

I've beaten hades for the 11th time, how come I can't give him his second nectar?

[forest falcon]

What do i use the keys for if i unlocked all the things in the mirror

[gentle mason]

keep talking to him, he will let you soon.

[gentle mason]

after the mirror and weapons, they are just useful for cosmetics in the late game and for trading in for Nectar since you need a ton of it for all the relationships

[mint coral]

got the than keepsake bonus on dad

without FO but shh

[stoic flame]

help

em3 is giving me trouble

how do people find this easier

[whole ridge]

Just make sure you take down the bull first, and stay away when he turns into a beyblade

[south lagoon]

if ppl find it easier it's usually because there's much less shield to deal with

[mint coral]

theseus pretty much ignores you too

[south lagoon]

Theseus attack pattern is predictable and clearly marked (big giant circles are easier for me to keep track of than the small crosshair from his spear) so i can just ignore him

yeah

[stoic flame]

okay theseus is just chillin in the corner but asterius

💀

[south lagoon]

lol yeah asterius is not any easier for sure

[dry mauve]

yeah theseus sort of just runs around doing nothing

[stoic flame]

also whats a good setup for 16 heat

[dry mauve]

as long as you dont stand in the big telegraphed circles

[stoic flame]

i was using the first 4 em3 fo1 and td2

[clever thicket]

There's 3 rows of ''slots'' when you open the keepsakes, totalling to 30 ''slots''. right now I have 24. Are there any that I am missing, besides hades'?

[dry mauve]

https://i.imgur.com/7IxomSE.jpeg

that's pretty reasonable

take any combination of the easy bubbles that you're fine with

until you get to 16

[stoic flame]

thank

[dry mauve]

I personally find EM3 to be pretty easy as well

and thats a lot of heat

[stoic flame]

how many times do i need to lose to asterius

for hypnos

favour

[void cipher]

yeah I usually just run EM3 and then add on to it as I see fit

usually tight deadline

[stoic flame]

em3 and td2 is standard for me rn

i add from there

even fo1

[clever thicket]

Is there a tierlist for keepsakes that's mostly agreed on?

[stoic flame]

god god acorn acorn is pretty meta

[clever thicket]

what about a list of the ''best'' mirror traits?

[dusky wedge]

Mostly aspect dependent

[stoic flame]

^

[clever thicket]

Is there a place where I can find a list per aspect?

[stoic flame]

yeah haelian did one

on yt

[dusky wedge]

Dark Foresight and Fated Persuasion is almost always a must, alongside Greater Reflex

[stoic flame]

oh wait mirror?

idk

[dusky wedge]

Oh, and it depends on heat too

[hexed smelt]

tierlists and stuff are largely subjective anyways

[stoic flame]

yes

[clever thicket]

Thing is I'm too dumb to figure out what is good and what is ''meh''

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, it mostly just a guidance for new players

[hexed smelt]

like personally i hate using the shield so i'm going to rank anything shield-related lower than someone who likes to use it

[dusky wedge]

Over time, you’ll develop your own favorites

[clever thicket]

What about Deep pockets vs Golden touch? Which is better if I want to buy the diamond/titan's blood? I assume it's Golden touch?

[void cipher]

Deep Pockets

always

[clever thicket]

really? :O

[void cipher]

golden touch only once for like, the fated list unlock

[dusky wedge]

A better start means less money spending, or less money door

[void cipher]

but early on greater reflex > death defiance > dark regeneration

[dusky wedge]

I mean, you can pick less money door

[dry mauve]

golden touch is better for farming runs

[dusky wedge]

2-3 of any rooms and you’re ready to spend money on shop

[dry mauve]

because you can buy the big item at the end

but other than that its bad

[void cipher]

even without it, I still have 1200G typically at the end if I'm doing a quick run

[dusky wedge]

^

[ripe otter]

Sup gamers

[void cipher]

just don't spend as much at the shops 🙂

[clever thicket]

alright, last question I have: Chthonic vitality vs dark regeneration, which is better for doing a ''new'' heat run? (as in going from 6 to 7)

[void cipher]

but by the time you can spend 1200G on a blood, or 1000 on a diamond, you're not really worried about dying

dark regeneration

[dry mauve]

i think chthonic vitality is just more consistent

[dusky wedge]

Chtonic will probably heal you more in the long run

Iirc

[dry mauve]

dark regeneration doesn't heal you until after the boss, at which point you also have a fountain

[mint coral]

dark regeneration doesnt help at all on styx too

[dry mauve]

and also doesnt help in styx, yeah

[dusky wedge]

Plus, in a new heat run, you don’t get darkness rewards for bosses

[mint coral]

and if you use dark foresight you wont see much darkness

[clever thicket]

cthonic it is ;d

cheers for the help guys

[void cipher]

if you're getting darkness after a boss that means you need to up the heat 🙂

[dry mauve]

up the heat by taking LC4 and then your choice of this talent doesn't matter :^)

[modern garnet]

If you're trying to beat the final boss for the first time, I think dark regen is stronger. Doesn't matter if you heal in every room if you only take damage from bosses

[void cipher]

if you're taking a lot of dmg though, turn on god mode

[mint coral]

lol

[modern garnet]

Being at full health at the start of a biome you're unfamiliar with is really nice

[dry mauve]

the thing is that there's already a pool after the boss
and a well that might have healing

[modern garnet]

The pool doesn't always send you to full

[dry mauve]

yeah but dark regeneration often overheals you as a result

whereas getting healing spread out over floors is probably more useful

especially in styx which has small rooms and no darkness

[weary jackal]

I just absolutely Love it when dad decides to fill Erebus with Splitters, a strongbow, and about a dozen flaming chariots.

[mint coral]

And a butterfly ball for the salt

[void cipher]

I want to say that, in terms of Hermes boons...Hyper Sprint is fun

[dusky wedge]

Gotta love those chariots

[weary jackal]

While I’m on FO2 aswell, for the record.

[dusky wedge]

[mint coral]

Nice you got there

[weary jackal]

I am going to stuff these onions into his stupid moustache

How have I only just noticed how good Razor Shoals is against captain chariot

[stiff parcel]

I got Thanatos’s second trinket and I haven’t seen him to give him another ambrosia? And I’ve done 5 ish runs

Anyone know anything ?

Haven’t seen him in my runs or at the house

[mint coral]

rng(tm)

just bad luck

[weary jackal]

Yeah sometimes Than likes to just not appear for 20 runs straight

[void cipher]

I'm currently struggling to unlock the last companion

just gotta keep playing lol

[stiff parcel]

I only have two companion things cthonic things I have dusa and Thanatos

[weary jackal]

I have than, Dusa, and skelly

[void cipher]

yeah the 3rd and 6th come from random encounters

at first I didn't really like the twin fists, but they're really starting to grow on me, I'd prefer to do a run with them vs. the rail

my clears are between 14-15 minutes, I don't think I could go much faster, need some luck really

[short glen]

After finally clearing 16 heat with sword, I realized I never actually beat the game with sword and 0 heat, so I'm doing that now lol

[mint coral]

lol

[short glen]

Went with Nemesis crit build this time, lol

[craggy pumice]

Concentrated volley or relentless volley for Chiron 32 heat?

[brisk trail]

concentrated might b bettrr

[reef zodiac]

Since when does Beowulf have the anyheat unseeded any% world record?

And why

[raw herald]

Beowulf good

It now has every world record in every heat category

From anyheat to 50

[reef zodiac]

Are most speedrunners swapping to it? Or is there a reason not to?

[gentle mason]

Casts are good and mirage shot gives you 100% extra damage instead of 30% because of a bug.

[raw herald]

As times get faster, the need to high-roll increases

To get 5:30 with Eris, you basically need clockets

Charged shot Beowulf is considered better

And easier to scale

But it's less consistent, it struggles in rooms with lots of small trash enemies

If you could watch one run, watch magnil's recent 6:15 32 heat run

It has a 53s elysium

[reef zodiac]

If someone is trying to get a sub 8 minute time with Beo, do they kinda need Charged Shot? More so than Eris needs Rocket Bomb?

[raw herald]

No, you can definitely get sub 8 without it

Sub 7 even

[reef zodiac]

So then are most top speedrunners swapping to Beo?

[craggy pumice]

Is killing freeze really only useful against bosses?

Freezing every enemy in the room seems like it’s not worth it

[carmine talon]

im malding

just died to hades for the 4th run in a row

I had 3 death defiances left, i really don't know how i managed to throw so hard

i got really unlucky with the enemies he spawned though, elysium archers really mess me up man

[dry mauve]

i think any sort of speedrun record is always going to be a high roll

[reef zodiac]

Yeah obviously

[dry mauve]

so I guess the fact that beowulf has the record is more an indicator that its high roll build has the most damage

[craggy pumice]

High roll?

[dry mauve]

when you get everything you want

it probably doesn't say very much about what the average case for a particular aspect is like, because if you dont get good luck you just reset

though beowulf is probably still a fast aspect compared to most on average

[wise oasis]

The thing is its not hard to get a good beowulf run, it mostly just relies on mirage shot and thats easy to get with gods' legacy

[craggy pumice]

Made it to chamber 34 on my first 32 heat :D

I lost 2 DD to butterfly midboss though :(

[brisk trail]

Should I take Hermes Boon or Hammer

[craggy pumice]

Hammer

[brisk trail]

Dropped my controller and it decided for me lol

[dry mauve]

i think it depends on aspect, some get a lot of benefit from hammers

others not so much

[brisk trail]

This is pretty much a dead run anyways I'm just trying to get an Artemis boon

[raw herald]

It is the fastest aspect by quite a bit, it holds the record in anyheat, 32 heat, 40 heat, 50 heat, modded anyheat, modded 32 heat, modded 40 heat and routed

And also RTA

[weary jackal]

Doing a shield run and the only boons I’ve gotten have been Athena
I’m in the first room of Asphodel
And I have only gotten Athena Boons
This is actual hell

[carmine talon]

butterfly miniboss is painful

and im only playing 1 heat runs still

[weary jackal]

The giant butterfly ball isn’t that bad imo

[dry mauve]

as i said before, records are good for proving is how fast an aspect is when you high roll, not how fast an aspect is on average

its pretty clear that beowulf is a fast aspect, but it's hard to say whether it's the fastest on average from just records

its definitely possible that over an average of X runs with no resets, a different weapon like eris or whatever ends up being faster

[short glen]

In my experience, if you get bad beowulf boons it does tend to go a lot slower than when you get really good ones

[raw herald]

Yeah flood flare Beowulf is still pretty consistent

[dry mauve]

who knows though because that's not a super common way to play the game so we dont have that much data on average of X runs

so any guess we make for the fastest average weapon is mostly just a guess

[raw herald]

And even if you don't get charged shot, it's not hard to get a really good build with how many ways there are available to scale your damage

[short glen]

Then again usually if I get bad beowulf boons I end up failing the run, so that's a different statistic

[dry mauve]

you can definitely say that beowulf is the fastest weapon when you have a good build and use the speedrun records as proof

[raw herald]

I speedrun the game commonly

Beowulf is consistently fast

Its like hera

[short glen]

I speed run dying sometimes

[craggy pumice]

1 coin off from buying a DD from the well

Pain

[dry mauve]

but im not sure that evidence translates to average, because speedrun records are never average

[dark vector]

butterfly boss is so annoying but would make a cool looking cake

[wise oasis]

When I was trying to get my sub 10, I was using beo and consistently went sub 12

Its a very fast aspect

[dry mauve]

yes, but is it the fastest on average?

[raw herald]

It's definitely up there

[dry mauve]

there's a big difference between being fast and being faster than other fast aspects on average

the big issue is that i dont think the community has good data on average clear time

or at least its not readily available

[raw herald]

If you join the speedrunning discord, you'll get an idea of how consistent weapons are based on their performance in multi-wep categories

Looking at hundreds of runs, you get an idea pretty quickly

[short glen]

That's a speedrunning average, not an average for all runs

[raw herald]

Isn't that what we are talking about

[short glen]

No idea

[dry mauve]

well it depends on what you're looking at
if you want to look at how fast a weapon is when optimizing for speed, speedrunning average is the number you want

[wise oasis]

Also beo's been used more lately, as opposed to aspects like eris that have been used since the start, and its been breaking a ton of records

[short glen]

I've been under the assumption we were talking average overall, instead of specifically speedrunning

[dry mauve]

but really you can say that beowulf is fast on average by looking at multiweapon clears

[raw herald]

Yeah, people ran Eris because it had early success, it's only fairly recently that other weapons have had nutty success

[dry mauve]

but i dont think that it would be enough data to say that it is fastest

[raw herald]

It's a good idea

[dry mauve]

well what you would need to do is

[wise oasis]

Its what we have access to

and since beo is currently topping times consistently and breaking records, it has a strong case for fastest

[dry mauve]

1. take multi run clears and record how fast each clear is

2. throw out the first clear in the run

3. hope you have a large enough sample size

and then look at the stats

[merry bane]

aspect of arthur is busted

[raw herald]

Well, I'm not doing that consciously, but that's what I'm basing my thoughts on

Most multi-wep runs start with nemesis or Achilles for dedge or flurry

[merry bane]

disables traps and slows projectiles and enemies

[reef zodiac]

My only question is, if Beowulf is the fastest aspect (or at least has the WR by a pretty big margin), then why are there not more Beo speedrunners? Why is that one of two Beo runs in the top 15 on SRC? Exact same question for Achilles too

[raw herald]

Most Eris runners have quit the game

Ages ago

[reef zodiac]

I’m not sure if I’d agree with you, but I’m glad you enjoy the aspect

[dry mauve]

that can potentially be explained by beowulf being a new strategy or by being inconsistent or some combination of the two

its hard to tell for sure from just looking at the data you have available

you can obviously make a subjective judgement call about why you think thats the reason

you just wont have stats to back up the reason why you think beowulf only has two runs

[raw herald]

Also bear in mind that it's really taxing grinding for top leaderboard times, most people can't deal with it

[reef zodiac]

That is true

[raw herald]

It takes a different type of runner to do that

Also, the top 5 times in modded are all Beowulf, and they are all sub 6

So that's gives another perspective

[dry mauve]

well keep in mind that modded runs force good rng

which further supports the evidence that beowulf is the fastest when you high roll

but still doesn't give any evidence one way or another about whether its faster than eris on average

[raw herald]

All modded does is make you save time resetting runs

[dry mauve]

by forcing good rng

[raw herald]

It removes barge. So what, if you got barge anyway, you would have reset

Same with hammers

[dry mauve]

an average run is not going to reset when you get bad rng

that's the whole point

[wise oasis]

Its not hard to get good rng is the thing with beo

It doesnt need a lot to go fast

[raw herald]

Yeah

[reef zodiac]

I actually hadn’t heard about this mod. Exactly what does it do?

[dry mauve]

if you get a bad hammer/map/whatever then you just deal with it

[raw herald]

I dont

I jump in the lava

[dry mauve]

im talking about if you're testing for average speed

[reef zodiac]

Forget “average speed”

[brisk trail]

Wow my dead run is the 3rd time I'm at Styx

[dry mauve]

the issue with single run leaderboard stats is that they self select for good rng

[raw herald]

That's going to be more affected by bad RNG than anything

[wise oasis]

average speed is incredibly different

[manic bobcat]

speedrunning in general requires a lot of repetition

what else is new

[brisk trail]

Wait Charon sells Titans blood???

[manic bobcat]

yes

[reef zodiac]

I am interested in what can give a pretty good time (like maybe sub 7, but assuming the player isn’t some kind of god at the game) the most consistently

[brisk trail]

Cool

Didn't know that

[dry mauve]

and by most consistently that means no resets, right?

[raw herald]

Nope

[reef zodiac]

Nah

[raw herald]

You have to reset for sub 7

[dry mauve]

because I wouldn't consider a weapon that requires resetting a lot to be consistent

[raw herald]

Put it this way, unless you are some kind of God, you have to reset for sub 7

[wise oasis]

you reset if you get more than a 2 sack, barge, bad room, etc

[dry mauve]

i think we're trying to measure different things at this point

[wise oasis]

Consistent times in this game rely a lot on free rooms

[dry mauve]

what I am interested in is:
you play as fast as possible and dont reset
which weapon gives the lowest expected time

[brisk trail]

Idk how I got this far with these terrible boons

[dry mauve]

if you reset that defeats the purpose of the entire statistic

[reef zodiac]

I just mean what weapon will take the least amount of grinding to get a decent time for an above-average player who wants to get into casual speedruns

[dry mauve]

because then you are self selecting for only the best possible scenario

[raw herald]

Guaranteed 2 sack, no barge vermin or Asterius miniboss, deterministic first hammers, for the first boon you are offered all 4 core slots, fountain chambers have an indicator

[wise oasis]

you'd have to rerun the same seed then over and over

because seeds affect the times a ton

[dry mauve]

i dont think you understand what "expected" means...

[reef zodiac]

Oh interesting, thanks

[dry mauve]

you can have rng

[wise oasis]

you can get a god seed on one weapon though and a terrible one on another, which completely skews your statistics

[dry mauve]

that's the entire point of sample size...

do you know statistics at all

[wise oasis]

Bro

you can consistently get bad seeds

[dry mauve]

do you understand statistics at all

[wise oasis]

you cant measure randomly

[raw herald]

Yeah you really can't in this game

[dry mauve]

im not going to argue with people who dont know stats

[raw herald]

Okay!

[reef zodiac]

Does anyone have an idea of what weapon would be the best for this?

[brisk trail]

I always enjoy stun locking a whole room in temple of Styx

[dry mauve]

the entire point of the WHOLE BRANCH OF STATISTICS is measuring random variables

"you can't measure randomness" is a super dumb take

[brisk trail]

Even more satisfying is that I'm doing it with Coronacht

How much health should I have for the hades fight? Is 300 enough?

[dry mauve]

depends on what you're comfortable with

[raw herald]

99.9% of "randomness" in Hades has nothing to do with the weapon aspect, it's not a good way to compare them

[dry mauve]

all that is captured by the error term in a regression analysis

[brisk trail]

Time to fight Hades again oh fu

Fun

One DD

Definitely losing

[dry mauve]

with a sufficient enough sample size you can make objective claims as to which weapon is fastest, but that obviously requires a lot of data

[raw herald]

A hell of a lot of data

[dry mauve]

though as with all stats all your claims have an error that you have to be comfortable with

[raw herald]

Probably millions of runs

[dry mauve]

its definitely a lot less than a million

it depends on what your confidence interval is

[raw herald]

There are so many variables though

Each chamber there are thousands of RNG increments

Especially in boss fights

[dry mauve]

it doesnt matter how many variables there are, if they're correlated with the weapon choice the portion that is correlated will be captured by the regression, if they're not correlated then they'll be a part of the error term

[weary jackal]

Is it just me or does the shield do almost no damage

[raw herald]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what a lot of that means, but I've played a lot of Hades and I know that you can't compare 2 random runs and say that all of the difference is to do with the weapon aspect

[dry mauve]

think about this
there are way more things that go into the weather than there are in a video game
yet you can still do statistics on the weather

you're not comparing two random runs

[soft echo]

Just you

[raw herald]

We are though

[dry mauve]

you're comparing a set of data that likely has 100+ runs

[raw herald]

100 runs is not enough runs to compare stats

[dry mauve]

it is depending on the stat in question

[brisk trail]

WAIT HADES HAS TWO HEALTH BARS WHAT

[raw herald]

1/3 of those will be automatically at least 20 seconds slower

[dry mauve]

the bigger the difference between the two stats the easier it is to reject the null hypothesis

[raw herald]

1/50 will be utterly useless

[dry mauve]

I would strongly recommend you take a class on statistics or regression analysis

[merry bane]

just picked up Epic Greatest Reflex for +3 dashes

[mint coral]

lol

[cyan tiger]

:AyamePhone:

[brisk trail]

He's 2/3 final health bar

I'm doing okay

[wise oasis]

gets em all

[brisk trail]

He's actually not to hard tbf

Once you learn his movements he's fairly easy

[weary jackal]

So I think I’m either just using the shield completely wrong, or both times I’ve used it my luck has just been utter flaming satyr remains, and either way i now have a very very negative view of it

[brisk trail]

Nearly half health then I died

[raw herald]

What hammers are you picking up?

[weary jackal]

Does 30 Athena’s count as a hammer

[raw herald]

Lol

[weary jackal]

Because she won’t leave me alone

[brisk trail]

I think Aegis is the second best weapon tbf. Its probably just your luck. I know what you mean. I went an entire run with only Athena boons.

[weary jackal]

I’m going to climb Olympus just to push Athena off of it into a pit of spears

[brisk trail]

Yess

Can I hel0

Help

[weary jackal]

Sure

[brisk trail]

Why is it

I only get Artemis boons

When I don't have Nectar

[dry mauve]

just get more nectar

[mint coral]

why are you going into a run with no nectar

[dry mauve]

and then force artemis with her keepsake

[brisk trail]

I have some no2

I can't find Artemis

Because I have Nectar

[dry mauve]

giving the first nectar to gods is a bit rng
but afterwards its pretty easy because you can force them to show up

[brisk trail]

And she apparently just has a major allergy to Nectar or something because I haven't seen her in 6 runs.

[raw herald]

It's more commonly used for the slow debuff in high heat, especially in bosses

[brisk trail]

Does Zeus attack on Coronacht chain?

Or is it lightning strike

[weary jackal]

It does yeah

[brisk trail]

So if I got chain shot hammer and Zeus attack would it chain off each enemy caught in the arrow or just the last one.?

[weary jackal]

Oh hey my Coronacht has dark thirst
Guess I have no choice but to stop using the shield 🤷‍♀️

[weary jackal]

It would chain off all 3

[brisk trail]

Damn that's actually really good

Is there a limit on how many hammers I can get per run?

[manic bobcat]

2 naturally

[weary jackal]

I start a 15 heat run with Coronacht and my first boon I Daedalus with Relentless volley
Why does the game encourage me like this

[manic bobcat]

3 if you want to gamble

[brisk trail]

Okay

[weary jackal]

Dionysus pog

[brisk trail]

So I could get Relentless Volley and Chain Shot with Zeus attack and burn everything to the ground with my broken attack

[weary jackal]

Chain shot is for attack, RV is for special

They don’t affect eachother

[brisk trail]

Which one is the one that removes the power shot for continuous arrows?

[raw herald]

Flurry shot

[weary jackal]

^

[brisk trail]

That's it

[raw herald]

It's decent on its own, but it's really good with triple shot or twin shot

[weary jackal]

Epic Dio call let’s go

[mint coral]

does swift flourish increases the speed at which zeus shield travels? not picking it but just for fun

[raw herald]

All I know is that it doesn't increase the tick rate

So it's pretty bad

[south lagoon]

iirc it just speeds up how fast you throw the shield

[weary jackal]

I’m going to just assume the Aegis is cursed for me and continue to not use it

[raw herald]

What aspect are you using?

[weary jackal]

Chaos

[raw herald]

Well, no offence but there's the problem

Start Zeus keepsake to get thunder flourish

[weary jackal]

Aspect doesn’t really effect the fact the boons I’ve gotten with it being [Redacted]

[south lagoon]

zeus aspect is a lot of fun

[weary jackal]

I tried Zeus aspect too
That was the run where I got about 15 Athena’s then decided to kill myself in lava

[raw herald]

Fair enough

Are you using God keepsakes when you start a run?

[weary jackal]

I use pierced butterfly

[raw herald]

Can't get a build together reliably with that

[weary jackal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dry mauve]

to be honest zeus aspect is fine with pretty much every build as long as its leveled

if you dont have blood invested in it though you probably want to only take stuff that benefits from fast + weak hits like thunder flourish

at max rank the blitz disc does about 100 DPS at base but also does a ton of hits, which means that its fine with both boons that give percentage scaling and boons that want quick hits

but at rank 1 it only does 26 DPS which is really bad and you really want something like thunder flourish to boost that number

[raw herald]

For optimal Zeus shield play, you want thunder flourish over everything that isn't ME

Even if you ignore all other boons and hammers, it's still the best option

[weary jackal]

I seriously don’t understand the hype around merciful end either

[raw herald]

You know how doom does a lot of damage but doesn't hit that often

Well now with merciful end

Instead of it occuring every 1.1s

It occurs every dash strike

[dry mauve]

yeah thunder flourish is still the best option

but other options aren't bad at all on maxed zeus

[weary jackal]

I use Coronacht though
So
Like

[raw herald]

Oh on the bow it's awful lmao

Use it on sword or fists

Or rail

Or anything that isn't a bow

[dry mauve]

with ME you spam dash strike

if your weapon has a good dash strike then ME is good

the one exception is maybe zeus, where you dont need athena dash because you can proc deflect easily with your attack/special and have the other one as doom

[silk comet]

I haven't cleared the game yet, what aspects should I now unlock? I've managed to get two bloods

[raw herald]

What is your favourite weapon?

[silk comet]

It's between shield and spear

[raw herald]

Achilles is regarded as the strongest spear, but the raging rush takes a bit to get used to

[dry mauve]

I like hades spear the most

[raw herald]

Still, even at level 1 +50% cast damage is a lot, and can make for some fun cast builds

[dry mauve]

it and achilles are probably the most consistent, because its hard to go wrong with +150% damage

base zag spear is pretty mediocre and really needs some lucky stuff for me to like using it

[raw herald]

Hammers are the main thing separating the two

[dry mauve]

and hidden aspect is kind of unsafe unless you're really good

or just want to pretend its a bow and only use the special button

[silk comet]

Hmm I already ahve Achilles

It is only level one though

[raw herald]

Any cast works on achilles

[silk comet]

I've also never ever used a cast build before

[dry mauve]

hades and achilles both get significantly better the more blood you put into it iirc

[raw herald]

They are very strong

[silk comet]

Wouldn't even know where to start with one tbh

[raw herald]

Get a cast, any cast, pom it and try and get a bunch of duos

That's it

[dry mauve]

with achilles you throw your spear, dash to it, then do some hits or use some casts depending on build

with hades you do big spin then hit them

both have huge damage boosts so they're pretty flexible and good for experimenting with

[near dune]

What does the bow thing mean for Megara

[silk comet]

So do I unlock Hades + One more aspect (Maybe Hera for bow?) or level Achilles to two?

[raw herald]

Hera is really good at level 1

[dry mauve]

hera basically has no difference between levels 1 and 5

especially if you take stygian soul

[raw herald]

Only for bosses

[dry mauve]

then there is literally zero difference

[silk comet]

Oh Chiron looks cool too.

[dry mauve]

chiron really needs blood

[raw herald]

And the difference is mitigated by one Hermes boon

[dry mauve]

its kind of weak at level 1

[silk comet]

Alright

[weary jackal]

one of us, one of us, one of us

[dry mauve]

its a very strong weapon for new players though

[near dune]

Can a pro tell me what the bow in between your hearts means when you are trying to max out giving nectar to someone

[dry mauve]

it just needs significant investment

[near dune]

I’ll send a picture but I can’t here

[silk comet]

I think for my first clear Hera might be worth it, because I can't really easily get bloods at the moment lol

[dry mauve]

it means that meg is romanceable

[near dune]

So what do I do

[raw herald]

To build hera, you get Aphrodite cast and pom it as much as you can

That's the basics

After that you can get snow burst and stuff like that

[dry mauve]

just do the normal thing, give them nectar or ambrosia depending on their level

[silk comet]

Okay Hera it is 🙂

[raw herald]

Chaos/well buffs as well

[dry mauve]

if you reach a locked heart then you have to do a sidequest to unlock it

[silk comet]

I'll try the aphrodite cast build

It also looks friggin' cool

[dry mauve]

can i shill zeus shield

its the most fun weapon

it's also a beyblade

[silk comet]

😐 I just tried it on Skully and love it immediately lol

So I'm gonna guess too, that it's worth changing from Family Favourite to Priviledged Status and going Aphrodite and Snow burst?

[raw herald]

It's negligible

You can never go wrong with family favourites

[silk comet]

https://i.imgur.com/jA4FLCa.png

Just to double check, dis?

[raw herald]

Yep

[silk comet]

I'm such a noob to cast builds lol, so time to have fun and pom it up

[dry mauve]

family favorite is usually the more consistent one

if your core boon has a status on it you can take privileged status and probably make it work well

[raw herald]

First pom is 54 damage, so over 1.5×

Cast poms are OP

apart from icy flare

[silk comet]

This is actually awesome

[dry mauve]

but a lot of core boons dont have status on it so its hard to consistently proc PS

[silk comet]

Got a hammer second room 😄

[dry mauve]

like artemis and zeus are both really good core boons and both of them require a second boon to count towards PS

[silk comet]

So even though I need the other two... Perfect Shot feels... Perfect? 😛 https://i.imgur.com/KNcdQKa.png

[weary jackal]

Concentrated

[raw herald]

Sure, none of those are the most optimal for DPS but perfect is probably the best out of all of those

[weary jackal]

Wait, what aspect?

[mint coral]

hera

[silk comet]

Hero

lol Hero

[weary jackal]

Yeah ok Perfect is probably better than RV or CV

[silk comet]

This bow with the aphrodite cast is basically a shotgun

It's awesome

[raw herald]

Yup

[silk comet]

Okay so I have a chaos room, what do I look for there? Dmg?

[mint coral]

extra casts and cast damage

[dry mauve]

i dont think hammers matter too much with hera

[silk comet]

Oh obviously cast as soon as I saw it lol

Excruciating Shot is there so I gotta take it

[dry mauve]

so unless you're struggling to complete the run I would just take one of the ones you havent before

[weary jackal]

It’s always painful getting CV and RV together on one hammer with Chiron
Because they’re both godly on it

[dry mauve]

if you are struggling to complete runs though take perfect shot though, since its the best one

[mint coral]

things like twin shot are still nice for when your cast is on enemies, even if is only 5 seconds at max level hera

[obsidian schooner]

What’s the one the says your attack keeps firing but can’t charge

[mint coral]

flurry shot?

[obsidian schooner]

That’s the best coronacht enhancement

In my opinion

[dry mauve]

depends on the aspect

[obsidian schooner]

Im unstoppable with that

[dry mauve]

but i think its pretty strong

obviously relentless + concentrated volley are best for chiron

[mint coral]

alone is nice but i love it with twin/triple

[dry mauve]

triple/twin is probably best for rama

[raw herald]

Flurry is top tier for hera

As well as triple

[weary jackal]

My weapon wins are so plainly obvious to which I favour
1 with sword
4 with spear
1 with shield
45 with bow
5 with fists
1 with rail

[drowsy vigil]

Hi guys, sorry new to discord. So not sure if this is the correct channel. Is there a confirmed way to reach the ||epilogue||?

[weary jackal]

Yeah

[drowsy vigil]

What is it? I can't seem to figure out how to get access to it

[mint coral]

keep talking to mom and dad until they give you a prophecy
after that, max bonds with 6 olympians

[weary jackal]

I looked at some of the favours for the Olympians and Zeus in a moose drawn caboose they’re expensive

[mint coral]

some of them are fairly easy, and demeter doesnt need its favor

[weary jackal]

Specifically Dionysus and Aphrodite’s

[mint coral]

which one was dio favor again?

[weary jackal]

Giving 10 Ambrosia to people

[drowsy vigil]

Gotcha, thank you guys

Only need 6?

[mint coral]

ye

[drowsy vigil]

Does any new content unlock after I get that. Or is it just moreso for the achievement/completionist

[mint coral]

its a nice finish to the story

[snow tulip]

@weary jackal what is your strategy with the bow? I struggle with it… using Chiron mostly… just unlocked the hidden aspect… I just never can do as much damage with it like I can with other weapons…. Thanks!

[weary jackal]

Step 1: Fire attack at thing you want dead
Step 2: Press the special button
Step 3: Move if necessary
Repeat until desired outcome

[short glen]

Don't even need to learn dash strike bow strats because you don't want to be spamming attack anyways

Chiron attack should be, at least imo, seen as the least painful way to get seastorm active

[weary jackal]

If you’re using sea storm on Chiron you should have Tempest Flourish not Strike on
For Chiron attack you want Ares, Zeus, or Maybe Arti

[mint coral]

wdym maybe arti

oh wait attack

dont mind me

[plucky latch]

I mind

[weary jackal]

Arti Special is great on Chiron too

[mint coral]

rip no smoldering air for this run

[weary jackal]

Also
Very important
Prioritise getting #1: Concentrated Volley or #2: Relentless Volley

[snow tulip]

Maybe I’m picking the wrong boons with it

[weary jackal]

Both if possible

[snow tulip]

Awesome, thanks!

[mint coral]

what are you using on special?

[snow tulip]

Usually whatever drops first, I put on special

[weary jackal]

Chiron special can be anything you want really
Except. Ares.

[mint coral]

ares with dire misfortune moment

is fun

[weary jackal]

Do not use Ares special.

[wise oasis]

Dire misfortune stonks though

[weary jackal]

Poseidon, Artemis, Dionysus, Demeter or even Zeus are better imo

[mint coral]

speaking of chiron, i remembered i tried chiron artic blast, picked up demeter special and that was the only demeter i saw at all during the run

decent damage but why, game

[weary jackal]

Arctic Blast Chiron is great

Especially if you get relentless

[mint coral]

anyways, time to blind myself with an unnecesary amount of lightning

60% chance double strike is fun

[weary jackal]

I’ve never gotten double strike sea storm Chiron
But I imagine it is glorious

[mint coral]

i havent used sea storm in a long time

mainly since poseidon dash was removed of the pre requisites

[weary jackal]

I don’t get it as often as I’d like

[near dune]

How do you reunite Orpheus and Eurydice

[manic bobcat]

just keep playing

and talking to them

[near dune]

And nyx/chaos

Oh just talk to to them

[manic bobcat]

and when you get the Admin Chamber

[near dune]

Do I need to gift them nectar

[manic bobcat]

there is a little extra you need to do

yes

that's a start

[near dune]

Gotcha

Yeah

[manic bobcat]

they will tell you how

so erm don't skip dialogue, ig

[near dune]

K thanks

[weary jackal]

Zagreus just said “nice” as I picked up just enough gems to put me at 69
I am dying

[near dune]

😂 that’s so funny

What does seeded mean. Is that a mod!

?*

[mint coral]

when you give up, your first boons/hammers will stay the same

[weary jackal]

I didn’t even do anything and I just unlocked Zeus’ 7th heart
Lmao

[near dune]

Oh well couldn’t you just lie haha

[mint coral]

zeus favor is easy, see?

[plucky latch]

Isn't him saying Nice to gems a Sonic reference?

[weary jackal]

No idea, but I choose to believe that he was laughing at the funny number

[plucky latch]

I think it's a Sonic reference. That's why Medusa's mad annoying

[weary jackal]

Dusa’s not annoying

You know who is?
Athena.

[plucky latch]

Athena blinks

I think the only characters that blink are black

[merry knot]

Hey, I think I saw a fanart of an Apollo in Hades, where his bow was also his lyre? But I can't find it now, I don't suppose anyone else happened to see it, and can point me in the right direction? google and reddit searches are getting me nowhere

[merry bane]

first run with the arthur aspect, and im at the styx already

[plucky latch]

Arthur is pretty manly

[merry bane]

based arthur apsect

[plucky latch]

[weary jackal]

My mental image of king Arthur is the one from the BBC show Merlin

[plucky latch]

Never seen it but he probably isnt very manly

Not like the Arthur in Hades.

[weary jackal]

Great show
John Hurt voices a dragon

[plucky latch]

It's said that if you're holding Arthur, Zag doesnt say any Sonic references about gems

[merry bane]

i have the athena/poseidon and the zues/poseidon duo boons, two hammers, the arthur aspect, and an epic greatest reflex. 5 dashes. 5

most based run so far

[plucky latch]

Zag's model should get buff whenever he holds Arthur

[weary jackal]

“I’m all worked up”
Says Prince Zagreus, in perfect monotone

[merry bane]

30 minutes in, 0 deaths, and 2nd phase hades

[near dune]

Summons vs hades let’s me beat him with a summon right?

Guessing that’s what it means to

[short glen]

Yes, you want posideon special, hence why putting the zeus req on attack is the least painful, because there are casts, calls, and dashes that are way better than zeus'

[weary jackal]

If Zagreus trying to teach Tisiphone to say his name isn’t the most adorable thing you’ve ever seen
You are lying to me and to yourself

[tulip ridge]

for unlocking the Arthur aspect, do you have to invest 5 blood into the sword as a whole or into one specific aspect?

I’ve done this for spear and bow, I can’t remember lol

[proud zodiac]

Sword as a whole

[tulip ridge]

oh then I just need to wait for dialogue

nice

[proud zodiac]

Also am I using the Rama aspect correctly by focusing primarily on the special and using the primary for big damage and groups?

[tulip ridge]

when I run rama I put everything into attack, and then go for revenge boons

that way I get a lot of passive damage and can crit for 4-5k

although, if you get doom special and the boon that makes doom do more damage when applied multiple times, you can get good damage from the special

[proud zodiac]

I got a hammer to start and picked up the close range damage increase (since the other two were either twin shot or +4 special shots

Also I needed it for the prophecy so sue me

[tulip ridge]

point blank and explosive, plus a heroic artemis attack and attack increases from chaos and other sources (butterfly, mirror) can let you hit a few thousand per shot consistently

[weary jackal]

I just realised I could’ve been listening to God Hand this entire run
Damn me for being slow

Blast, it’s not on Spotify

[proud zodiac]

HOOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOOOO

I got exclusive access

Hello epic minimum boons

I'm just before the hydra boss

[modern garnet]

Hehehe thats fun to get that early

Highest quality run you'll have

[weary jackal]

Is a level 8 Heroic Heartbreak Flourish on Demeter overkill?
Perhaps

[proud zodiac]

Does the Swift strike Boon affect the charge time of the bow

[weary jackal]

Yes

[proud zodiac]

Huh ok then I didn't choose wrong

[mint coral]

It doesnt affect dash strike btw

Only normal charge

[fiery bramble]

Aspect of Lucifer any good? Should I expect higher damage than maxed Eris?

[modern garnet]

It's a really fun and wacky weapon

Eris is extremely good especially in the right hands, but lucifer is a cool weapon that holds up pretty well

[fiery bramble]

Sweet just bought it gonna try it now, loving the laser

Just took Zeus attack and I feel like a Ghostbuster

[weary jackal]

I mean

In Tartarus and Elysium that’s literally what you are

[fiery bramble]

I think I love this weapon but I say that every time I try a new one

[proud zodiac]

And I got my 10th win

I forgot it was the 10th

[weary jackal]

Aphrodite why are you being nice to me
She’s given me Heroic Heartbreak Flourish twice in a row

[proud zodiac]

I was ready to smash the hell out of Hades

Well, free Rama aspect victory

[weary jackal]

The 10th victory is destined to always be a really powerful run that you get japed on

[modern garnet]

Naw i had a level 1 gy, and I was not gonna make it

[proud zodiac]

It was ok, not amazing

[chrome wharf]

What's your combo for the non-LC4 path

[weary jackal]

My 10th victory was the first time I got sea storm and I didn’t even get to use it

[proud zodiac]

Sea storm is how I got my last fists win

With a lightning fast Hades kill

And an even faster, sub minute heroes defest

[weary jackal]

Heroes are easy before Em3

And then they’re medium

[hearty sierra]

Try saying that when you're doing 32 heat for the final statue and you're forced to take FO2 TD3 and EM3 so you don't have to pick up the other heat options

Who knew asterius could run as fast as a freight train

[weary jackal]

32 heat being the basis for your difficulty rankings is not exactly fair

[weary jackal]

Ikr

[manic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/wduPIY8.png

[modern garnet]

Em3 is easy enough on its own

[hearty sierra]

I'm just failing to get that last 32 heat statue, don't mind me

[manic bobcat]

that's is not 32 heat, that's 30 i think, the last 2 can be DC or whatever you want.

[chrome wharf]

ae FO2

[manic bobcat]

depending on weapon

[chrome wharf]

LC2??

and do you still run SD?

[manic bobcat]

huh

that's LC0

I run DD with that

[chrome wharf]

oh I meant the last 2 heat can be LC2

or not

[hearty sierra]

Yeah if you're playing no LC, DD is better

[manic bobcat]

Oh yeab sure

Or LC1 and DC1

Or even AP1 tbh

[hearty sierra]

I'd do CP1 instead of Heightened Security tbh

I suck at lava

and vases

[chrome wharf]

JS1 CP1, pseudo hell mode dhahfjejd

[manic bobcat]

That's the general idea

You don't have to run HS

[chrome wharf]

cool I'll give it a spin

[manic bobcat]

You can bump HL 1 notch

[chrome wharf]

sometime

[manic bobcat]

Or take RI/AP

My point is, LC4 is overrated. That's all.

[hearty sierra]

DC depends on weapon

[hearty sierra]

RI?? you'd take RI over LC?

[manic bobcat]

RI1 is whatever tbh

[hearty sierra]

But muh run important duo boons

[manic bobcat]

Lol

I mean I'm not saying to never take LC

[hearty sierra]

And muh rerolls

[manic bobcat]

But the LC4 SD combo is overrated

That's all

[chrome wharf]

laughs in my AP2 RI1 low heat meme runs

[hearty sierra]

You got a similar list for 40 heat?

Don't think I can take any more HL than 2

[manic bobcat]

Honestly at 40+ take LC4

This is for 32

[chrome wharf]

I don't find LC4SD that bad

[manic bobcat]

40+ you kinda have to bite the LC4 bullet

[vast zealot]

Do you have to buy literally everything in the lounge for dubas prophecy to finish?

[weary jackal]

Nah

[hearty sierra]

I think it was like 10 upgrades

[weary jackal]

Just 12 things

[vast zealot]

I have literally everything but the last 2

The eff

What am I supposed to do then?

[hearty sierra]

Yeah then it's up to conversation RNG

[weary jackal]

A rug and both cerberus upgrades are necessary

[vast zealot]

Yeah got those

[weary jackal]

Rng then

[vast zealot]

Only missing the upgraded ball and the other thing I can’t remember

[hearty sierra]

Yep, just keep escaping

[hearty sierra]

Can't even take LC3? I like my Guan Yu heal

[vast zealot]

Alrighty, thanks!

[manic bobcat]

GY heals through LC4

Wdym

[hearty sierra]

IT DOES??

[manic bobcat]

Yup

[hearty sierra]

brb gotta go clear 32 heat now

[manic bobcat]

Same as Cursed Slash and whatever the upper hammer that heals

[chrome wharf]

Draining cutter???

[manic bobcat]

Yee

[hearty sierra]

Actually what's the optimal GY build

[manic bobcat]

Deadly Flourish Charge Skewer

That's about it

Whatever else you can find help, like Divine Dash or something