h1-discussion

[lunar crane]

hypnos is pretty

[azure osprey]

He is lazy and fat!!!!

He should get arrested

For being too ugly

[lunar crane]

he isnt fat?

i bet hypnos is a great sleeping partner

[kind swan]

For Chaos' prophecy, do you have to beat Hades with the Egg equipped, or just reach him?

[void vigil]

you have to beat him iirc

[rapid forum]

I'm trading my gemstones for keys for nectar for diamond

I have 40K of them

RIP my A button

[kind swan]

Probably not doing it this run then, seeing as I'm probably going to need rather Tooth with Guan.

[rapid forum]

ok so

I got explosive shot

the hammer boons I got recommended now are

twin shot, triple shot, perfect shot

[raw herald]

Triple shot

Perfect shot is ass with explosive shot

[rapid forum]

true

triple shot it is

[raw herald]

Twin/triple both good, but since you're going to be point blank all the time with explosive, you don't lose anything using triple

[modest plank]

Bruh

[bright comet]

em4 fo2 hades had literraly 1 hp left and he killed me

so much pain

why am i still concious

dead unlucky run number 2 btw

[kind swan]

Well, just reached the credits.

||Lol, Persephone is basically "Screw you Hubby, I miss the dog more"||

||And we can see who wears the Toga in this relationship.||

[polar root]

No need to spoiler tag it.

[soft echo]

Just did a run with basically every bad option on the mirror, including ruthless reflex just to get a fated table thing, that was fun

[polar root]

ruthless reflex isnt bad

it gud

[kind swan]

Eh, better safe then sorry.

[polar root]

Well in this channel spoilers are ok

[soft echo]

It's bad if you're not using gilgamesh lol

[polar root]

Wut

no

please

ruthless real gud, just pray for your Lord and savior Lord Hermes to give you an epic dsah

[soft echo]

He gave me common and I had no rerolls left

[polar root]

Gilgamesh is................... Questionable.

[polar root]

Feelsbadman.

[soft echo]

It's the worst aspect overall imo

[polar root]

Probably is yes.

[soft echo]

And in many other experienced players' opinions

[polar root]

Attack speed increase?

maybe

?

[bright comet]

ok this time i actually got the double

[polar root]

edge?

[bright comet]

boon

[polar root]

duooooooo~

[bright comet]

idk man im so tired

but this run seems really promising

[soft echo]

Hear me out: Buffs to Gilgamesh, Guan Yu, and Hades

[polar root]

Gogogogogo

[bright comet]

good stuff all round

[polar root]

guan yu is fine

[soft echo]

LIES

[polar root]

Hades I'm not sure about

Someone buff Hades, the game.

ggez

[soft echo]

Give me multi-player lol

[polar root]

would be nice

[brisk trail]

bottle royale

[polar root]

Idk how

bottle royale bost mode

[bright comet]

different league heroic
heart rend
sure footing epic
killing freeze epic
freezing touch epic

[polar root]

~EPICCCCCCCC~~~~

Heart rend guddd

[soft echo]

RNGesus loves you

[bright comet]

ive threw two runs prior to this trying to build the same

[polar root]

What do you want to achieve in this run exactly?

[bright comet]

two runs i actually was super close to beating him without heart rend

i wanna achieve em4 fo2

and be done with the game

[polar root]

Damn

[soft echo]

Oh my god

That sounds terrible

[polar root]

Super dad?

[soft echo]

[bright comet]

last run i was phase three 1 hp hades off

but i threw

[polar root]

100000000% HL

[bright comet]

because shaky hands

[polar root]

sadge

[bright comet]

the unseen ones full on speakers baby

[polar root]

The deafened ones.

[bright comet]

i only have heart rend from duos, but a lot of good stuff from others

[soft echo]

Which is that?

[bright comet]

im done with the game fellas

third time's the charm

[soft echo]

Now it's time for 63 heat

:)

[polar root]

ggez

[bright comet]

oh yeah i also had 2% dmg reduction from bouldy, what a clutch

[polar root]

DAMNNNNNN

the save

[soft echo]

Bro

[polar root]

if you had that last run, you'd have won

[soft echo]

Bouldy to the rescue

[polar root]

ezpz

[bright comet]

but actually, 1 dd left, kinda cool

[polar root]

good job

[red coral]

Great work ~

[polar root]

gamer mode

to beat EM4

[bright comet]

skelly statue achievement done too

done it with ruthless reflex too, ruthless reflex meta

[polar root]

SEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RUTHLESS IS GUDDDDDDDD~~~~~

[bright comet]

yea no darkness its good, the moment i saw it when i started playing i was like this is strictly better

[raw herald]

Love ruthless reflex on shield

Who needs to dash when you can block

[rapid forum]

[polar root]

Massive brainnn

[soft echo]

[novel wasp]

cant wait for a new project

[craggy pumice]

I got a new time (12:30) :D

My old one was 14:15

[polar root]

Niceeeeeeee

lot of time cut

[craggy pumice]

I entered Styx at 8mins but got a 4 sack :(

[polar root]

feelsbadman

that means you can get back to styx with 8mins tho

pray to RNGesus harder

[ornate dust]

[craggy pumice]

What are the best hammers for dem fists me build?

[polar root]

Breaching cross, rolling knuckle, concentrated knuckle.

[granite ether]

explosive upper too

[polar root]

Oh yeah right, thats a nuke.

[hearty sierra]

@clever thicket TD1/2, LC1, CF1, BP1, JS1 are all not bad

Tight deadline forced you to play marginally faster - Tight Deadline 2 (7 minutes per biome) is only a challenge if you tend to complete runs slower than 28 minutes.

LC1- Lasting Consequences. Reduces healing globally by 25% percent, including healing from mirror traits (dark foresight), boon healing (demter's boon) and fountain healing. Notable exception is Death Defiance and Stubborn defiance. A 25% decrease in healing isn't a major problem.

CF1 - convenience fee - makes all purchases from the well of charon/Charon's shop more expensive by 40%

Again, 40% seems like a lot, but the things you're able to afford largely remain the same.

BP1 - Benefits Package 1- gives all foes perks (see the wiki for a comprehensive list of available perks). BP1 makes the game somewhat harder, but not so much that it's harder to clear the game by a lot.

JS1 - Jury summons - adds the amount of enemies spawned every encounter. Should be toggled off if you're struggling with clearing Tight Deadline. Prolongs runs, but shouldn't be a challenge.

This is a total of 6 heat, so it should be enough to tide you over for a bit @clever thicket

[clever thicket]

Tyvm ^_^

[hearty sierra]

In the future you might want to look into trying Enchanced Measures

Makes the bosses harder <3

[clever thicket]

I've completed 2 runs, one in 33 mins, the other in 31. is that low enough for td1?

(basically my question is how many minutes do you have when you enable td1?)

[wise oasis]

36

[hearty sierra]

4 biomes, 9 mins each

Total of 36 mins

It's accumulative,too, so if you have leftover time from Tartarus it carries over to asphodel

[vast zealot]

I’ve seen some people saying Beowulf is ‘broken’, just unlocked it and doing my first run, what am I missing? Seems decent but not amazing

[raw herald]

Use casts

If you are wondering why Beowulf is broken, go to speedrun.com and you'll see that it tops every leaderboard pretty much

[polar root]

Beo is god

[hearty sierra]

What mac said - you need a good cast

Aphro/poseidon is preferred

[polar root]

BEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ON DEOOOOOO

[hearty sierra]

Work towards getting Mirage Shot

[vast zealot]

Is it just being able to use bull rush effectively then?

[hearty sierra]

Don't charge it all the way

[hearty sierra]

Yep, knowing how much to charge bull rush is half the battle

[raw herald]

As little as possible

[hearty sierra]

It's also why Chaos was broken way back when

[raw herald]

Does 50 damage either way

[polar root]

yup

[hearty sierra]

You could charge it JUST to get the powered-up shields and AOE everything

[polar root]

You can try Dionysus cast on it toooo

That with mirage shot..........

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[vast zealot]

Wait the charged casts affect attack/special too?

[hearty sierra]

Elaborate, please

The charged casts do not make your normal attack/special inflict their effects, no

[vast zealot]

Ah, dang

Guess I need to learn how to bull rush better

[hearty sierra]

The whole point of Beo is to charge very little, explode your casts onto the enemy, pick up the cast as quick as possible, rinse and repeat

[polar root]

sudden rush, charged shot. Are really good hammers

[hearty sierra]

It's like anti-achilles as far as I can tell

[vast zealot]

ohhhhh, just picked up trippy flare, I see now that cast effects work very nicely

[hearty sierra]

Achilles's special replaces dash but beo's rush wants to move as little as possible

Also beo works as a good shield in a pinch

[vast zealot]

Is it more effective to load all charges possible or one at a time?

[polar root]

one at a time for dio cast

[hearty sierra]

All of 'em

Aw, what?

Damage potentialllll

[polar root]

well

time

is

short

[hearty sierra]

But listen to the guy who actually recommends dio cast

[polar root]

Try stigian soul for dio cast.

It's a bit of a high roll

[terse finch]

do i get more money selling epic boon or getting the poseidon Sunken Treasure

[polar root]

Pray to chaos for extra cast

[polar root]

mostly selling epic boon

[terse finch]

k thanks

[vast zealot]

Thanks all for the tips, I see beo potential now 😄

[clever thicket]

Is it me or do hermes' boons seem very mediocore at best, compared to the other god's' boons?

[raw herald]

Hermes has a few broken boons and a few mediocre ones

Greatest reflex, hyper sprint and rush delivery are broken

Swift strike/flourish are okay

Side hustle is alright if you get it early

[rapid forum]

Greater recall is helpful

[raw herald]

Second wind and greater evasion are great at high heat

Quick recovery is meh

Bad news is really good

[rapid forum]

Bad news is pog

[raw herald]

But most of his boons are dependent on rarity

His boons have naturally lower rarity, which is why getting a yarn/nectar from Eurydice before getting a Hermes boon is really good

[hearty sierra]

Yeah, a swift flourish/strike at epic can carry games

[raw herald]

Ehh, only on some aspects

Like arthur

[polar root]

Bad news is god

[raw herald]

Epic RD or dashes will be much better

[polar root]

You see I'm a beo deo addict

[hearty sierra]

Epic RD is a lit better than most other boons at epic

[polar root]

Rush delivery, greater haste, hyper sprint.

God kit.

[vast zealot]

Does hades have the 20% dodge boon?

If so, that’s carried me a few times

[raw herald]

Yes that's greater evasion

[polar root]

stuff like second wind with smoldering air, insane speeeeeed, plus zeus call is insane

[raw herald]

Carried my 50 heat beo clear

[hearty sierra]

Zappy zap zap and can't even get hit

[polar root]

Real lightning fast.

[wise oasis]

I got like 5 poms in tartarus

I have a level 7 attack 😎

[polar root]

dayum

[wise oasis]

yooo it got hit by the crop

letsgo

[polar root]

cr0p~~~~~

[wise oasis]

and deth

[hearty sierra]

Heroic attack boon lesgo

[clever thicket]

There's a renovation called ''Vanquisher's keep''. How many gemstones will that give me when I kill a boss?

[polar root]

50 on the final boss.

20 I think on the furies

[clever thicket]

So definitely worth to save for first, thanks

[polar root]

sureeee

[clever thicket]

once you've unlocked all the mirror talents and weapons, is there any use left for keys?

[polar root]

trading.

and something cosmetic later in the game

[raw herald]

They become useful in runs

[polar root]

Ah, right.

by "use"

I dum

[obsidian schooner]

What’s your fastest escape time

Also what’s the best damage bonus? Doom? Hangover? Rupture?

I used to think doom but I feel like if you look at the numbers hangover is better

[raw herald]

I think that one of the best damaging status effect is jolted

Jolted and doom are great, the latter especially with merciful end

Hangover is really fun and scales well with poms

[obsidian schooner]

Do you guys use chaos gates

I always feel underwhelmed by the effect

[raw herald]

Always yes

[stoic flame]

mostly

[merry bane]

does the buff from the Lambent Plume go away if i select a new keepsake?

[raw herald]

Yes

[merry bane]

oh well

[raw herald]

Same with the butterfly

But not the coin purse

[clever thicket]

Does the mirror perk Abyssal Blood effect boss enemies?

[raw herald]

Yes

[clever thicket]

Which one is better then, abyssal or boiling?

[raw herald]

Generally boiling blood

But abyssal blood is good at high heat if your damage mainly comes from outside attack/special

[polar root]

I don't know what they do because of the hidden shield aspect

I forgot about them

Only thing I know now, high confidence and fiery presence gud.

[azure osprey]

How good is hades call

[polar root]

Really really good kind of really good

It's good

[thorn marsh]

u turn invincible and after u get 100% global damage iirc

its really really really really really really really really good

[clever thicket]

How/when can I give the 2nd nectar to hades?

[arctic oasis]

Do I need to be using it more

[vast temple]

a little while after the 10th clear i think

[halcyon imp]

Do you ever actually get anything from hades?

[vast temple]

you get the ||sigil of the dead||

[halcyon imp]

Oh, ok, not sure what that is but I'm gonna go for it, thanks!

[weary jackal]

||It gives you hades’ call||

[halcyon imp]

||Oh. The thing that y'all said was super good. Yup, I'll be getting that, thank you ||

[vast temple]

and even then you should be clearing 10 times just because the story is amazing

[weary jackal]

You too can do that one annoying invisibility move Hades uses.

[halcyon imp]

Yeah I will be beating it 10 times, I've already done it like 5, and I'm super into the story, and the gameplay

[ivory minnow]

wait how do u hide the letters I forgot lol

[halcyon imp]

Are you on mobile or pc

[ivory minnow]

pc

[halcyon imp]

I can't help then, I'm guessing highlight the letters with your mouse then right-click and see if mark as spoiler is an option, not sure though

[vast temple]

||spoiler||

[ivory minnow]

oh ty

does the ||excalibur circle|| affect bosses

[weary jackal]

And to do this, you put an ` on either side
like this

[weary jackal]

Only the projectiles

Blood and darkness, why does Discord work like that

[vast temple]

theres a hammer that can slow down ennemies but not in itself

[ivory minnow]

oh ok

[vast temple]

speaking of hammer how does single target triple beam from lucifer work exactly

[ivory minnow]

ty

[raw herald]

Single target with triple beam is the same as without triple beam

[vast temple]

and can it trigger more lighting with zeus or is it doomed to suck

[rose shell]

when do i start getting diamonds

[raw herald]

Getting out of asphodel

[rose shell]

k thx

[weary jackal]

Every time you kill the Bone Hydra on different ||Heat||
Or whenever you catch a trout

[rose shell]

cheers

[polar root]

Ah yes

You see, we know how good it really is.

[vast temple]

it doesnt charge up faster than the others does it

[polar root]

nooo 😦

sadge

[weary jackal]

It starts at 30% when you max it but only has charges at 50 and 100%

[vast temple]

well i'll take it for a 5 seconds super woke damage

[polar root]

I like it better than some calls

[thorn marsh]

normally u dont full call

[weary jackal]

It’s better than Ares and Athena’s calls, definitely

[polar root]

Athena god call wdym?

[weary jackal]

Invincibility is for nerds

[polar root]

Athena or riot situation

[weary jackal]

It’s a worse Poseidon

[thorn marsh]

i mean

[arctic oasis]

The best use of Athena’s call I’ve seen is sitting on top of hades during lasers

[polar root]

Actually rip tide Poseidon is nice

[arctic oasis]

It was quite funny

[thorn marsh]

u can do that anyway

[vast temple]

why no full hades tho cuz 1 move opposed to 5 seconds

[thorn marsh]

because u just get more uptime and its not just 1 move iirc

[raw herald]

Yeah it's 1.5s I think

[vast temple]

oh my bad

[weary jackal]

Tru

[raw herald]

And if you use the greater call, it will likely be wasted when Hades goes into his bubble

[vast temple]

darkness

[clever thicket]

Does the exagrryph suck or am I just using it wrong/taking wrong boons?

[thorn marsh]

plus it makes hades more likely to darkness

[polar root]

I have had that too many times

[raw herald]

To be fair, the description of that keepsake in-game is misleading

[weary jackal]

But Poseidon’s call and Athena’s last the same duration, and make you invincible, but Athena’s does nothing else

[thorn marsh]

probably taking the wrong boons

[polar root]

YOU CAN INCREASE THE TIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

PLEASE

staph athena call gud

[raw herald]

Athena call used to be better

[thorn marsh]

try zeus attack with tidal dash and picking up more zeus and poseidon boons

[vast temple]

i really like poseidon

[raw herald]

But is still good

[weary jackal]

Athena call bad, just don’t get hit nerd

[high island]

Every Call is good.

[polar root]

Well, only problem

[high island]

Unfortunate that Lord Ares doesn't have a Call.

[thorn marsh]

heavily prioritizing static discharge @clever thicket

[polar root]

truuuuu

[polar root]

Welllllllllllllllllll

[raw herald]

Yeah Ares doesn't have a call, what's up with that

[weary jackal]

Ares with Vicious Cycle can be good

[thorn marsh]

yeah

wtf ares

get a call

[polar root]

Ares

please

[thorn marsh]

GET A DAMN PHONE ARES

[polar root]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THATTTTTT

STOLE MY LINEEEEE

everyone has a call like the cool kids

[high island]

No.

[polar root]

Ares dislikers

staph it

[vast temple]

ares is a chad

carried my first clear

[polar root]

Ares is giga chad, only problem, he got a feature phone.

Everyone got an iphone

[high island]

His boons are good. They just didn't give him a Call for some reason.

Very weird.

[vast temple]

Ares why do you not have a phone?
"Yes."

the chad

[polar root]

Facts.

True chad

[vast temple]

what do you think about his dash?

[raw herald]

Pretty good

[high island]

His dash is fine.

[weary jackal]

Artemis is basically just much better Ares
And she has a call

[raw herald]

Better with engulfing vortex

[brisk trail]

they dont do the same thing at all?

[weary jackal]

Crit > Doom

[polar root]

Hunting blades are the only reason I played ares

[hearty sierra]

There's worse dashes but I'd do Zeus, Poseidon and Artemis dash over Ares'

[hearty sierra]

You're missing out on quite a few strats, man

[polar root]

Splash dash out of question

[vast temple]

i dont like zeus but athena and poseidon ye

[polar root]

I don't

just

[hearty sierra]

Zeus applies Jolted which is great with the Dem-Zeus duo

[brisk trail]

merciful end meta tho

[hearty sierra]

I'm a coward - I apply status effects/cast and run like hell

[vast temple]

ok so for hades its i got 2 secs of invulnerability and whenever i decide to strike i get +100% for this shot and every other i do during 1.5 secs right

[hearty sierra]

Hades' call?

I think so, yeah

[vast temple]

its confusing

the call yes

[hearty sierra]

Okay so if you use the partial call it just makes you untargetable

Enemies just don't attack you and you can still take damage, you exit invis if you attack, and the first attack you do deals more damage

[mint coral]

dad call also clears poison

[ivory minnow]

is demeters aid good?

[hearty sierra]

If you use it when the gauge is full you turn Unseen (ooo spooky) instead, which lets you deal bonus damage and adds to your speed for 5 secs

[hearty sierra]

Sure

[polar root]

better than ones with no call

[hearty sierra]

Just use it every time you can, don't wait till it's full

[vast temple]

ares

[ivory minnow]

yea

[hearty sierra]

It's better to use it just to apply Chill

[polar root]

one of the few times arctic blast is gud

[hearty sierra]

wdym arctic blast not good

[vast temple]

just maxed out all aspects

[mint coral]

nice

[polar root]

Feelsbadman

[hearty sierra]

Crystal beam chill good, arctic blast chiron

[polar root]

quite the grind huh

[hearty sierra]

Freezer lazer with luci

[polar root]

I wanna try that now

[vast temple]

just did runs ive done 20 with bow and 10 with the rest

the grinding part is moreso for the damn darkness

what about demeter zeus aspect special

[hearty sierra]

Not big enough of a radius to reliably apply 10 stacks for the blast imo

Unless you stick closeish to the enemy

[vast temple]

zeus aspect is hard with anything non zeus

maybe athena could be fun

[hearty sierra]

I mean

ME build with Doom on attack and let the deflect shield chase you

ezpz

Don't even need divine dash

[vast temple]

SPLASH DASH ME

[hearty sierra]

Could use Artemis dash at that point

Or splash dash, yeah

[vast temple]

finally i am free from divine dash

well if ur damage is doom i dont really see why artemis

[hearty sierra]

dash attack

smacc

Also artemis-athena duo

gives beeg crit

[vast temple]

wait dash works for this duo

quite epic

[hearty sierra]

Oh wait you need cast or call

[mint coral]

artemis dash doesnt work

[hearty sierra]

No dash

Then splash dash then

I wanted razor shoals anyway

[vast temple]

i heard mirage shot x beowulf was bugged but is it still?

[signal aspen]

yeah

[vast temple]

stonks

[hearty sierra]

Bugged just like fishing

Is a feature now

[vast temple]

beowulf feels so slow but people go so fast

[signal aspen]

yes

[hearty sierra]

Get sudden rush and don't charge to full

[signal aspen]

or just get charged shot

[hearty sierra]

Just enough to get the bull rush effect

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/871050630381305887/Screenshot_374.png

[polar root]

get charged shot

[hearty sierra]

Or that

[vast temple]

nice bow u got there

[polar root]

Welp

[signal aspen]

thanks

its very cool

[hearty sierra]

Lmao fires waves just like rama

[polar root]

the best flying door

[vast temple]

god the chaos theme looks epic

[polar root]

I'm halfway there on the save I'm playing right now

on my other one I do have it

It indeed is EPIC~

[proud zodiac]

Also you can do that without using the call, if you hug his ankles during that attack you won't take damage

[hearty sierra]

Where's your 40 heat guan yu clear with EM4, TD2 and LC3

[vast temple]

hug daddy

[signal aspen]

no

[hearty sierra]

The better way to use Athena call is as a last-ditch 'oh crap I'm gonna get hit by dad's flying spear' hail mary

[proud zodiac]

Yeah Athena's call is best used as a panic button, or as a way to ignore a bunch of damage

Ares' and Poseidon's function similarly

[brisk trail]

😳

[hearty sierra]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[vast temple]

[signal aspen]

i dont even need athenas call

i just dont get hit

[stoic flame]

the flex

contrary to popular belief

players do in fact

get hit

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/876850165665898557/Screenshot_398.png

no

[weary jackal]

Sounds like a you problem

[stoic flame]

😔

[polar root]

Sounds like a me problem :((((((((((((

[vast temple]

damn thats dark

[stoic flame]

😔 😔

[polar root]

by the way nice thicc bolts

[stoic flame]

🅱️rother

[polar root]

Bruhh

that you bruh?

[proud zodiac]

Question: how do ya'll get those alternate endscreens

[signal aspen]

thanks

[proud zodiac]

Is it a mod?

[polar root]

its found in the work orders in the house of hades

[signal aspen]

buy everything from the house contractor in the work orders section

[proud zodiac]

Huh ok

[polar root]

house contractor

[proud zodiac]

Lets you change the UI?

[stoic flame]

not the entire UI

[polar root]

the boon screen

yes

[stoic flame]

just the victory and boon screen

[polar root]

NICE TOTAL CLEARSSSSSS.........BLAZEEEEE

[stoic flame]

nice

[signal aspen]

its pretty pog

[vast temple]

nice

[stoic flame]

it do be

[polar root]

like that

[stoic flame]

what is this

[signal aspen]

your mom lma

[stoic flame]

s n e e b

[signal aspen]

o

[stoic flame]

😔

[polar root]

ggez

[stoic flame]

it appears i have been gotten

[polar root]

you have been gotted, yes.

[signal aspen]

you have a severe case of being the gotted

[polar root]

the gotted disease

very lethal

let's save this for general discussion.

[stoic flame]

nevah nevah

[polar root]

gonna~

[stoic flame]

stop

[polar root]

give~

you~

Again, saving it for general chat.

[stoic flame]

[polar root]

indeed

[ornate dust]

🆘

[void vigil]

its an imp from pyre that looks like its sleeping, hence sneeb

[clever thicket]

What happens when thanatos gets more kills than you?

[void vigil]

you get the room reward, but not the heart from him

[signal aspen]

he says some mean words to you

[brave portal]

He says "git gud" and leaves

[stoic flame]

ah

[brave portal]

At first i tought he was going to kill me if i failed

But no, he's a nice guy

[stoic flame]

at first i thought we had to kill him to clear the room

[ornate dust]

П

[stoic flame]

i concur

[limber fossil]

How should I make my boon build for the eris rail?

[polar root]

Zeus attack, tidal dash, arty special, cluster bomb, win run.

[raw herald]

Pom tidal dash and jolted

Don't pom Zeus attack

[limber fossil]

alright thanks

[ornate dust]

k

[stoic flame]

"k"

[weary jackal]

Erebus looks really cool

Easier than I expected, but still

[violet cradle]

Can fish be traded over and over again, or is it a one time reward for each species?

[weary jackal]

You can give the same fish over and over for the same rewards yeah

Trout will always give 1 diamond, Bass 1 ambrosia, Sturgeons 1 blood

[brave portal]

So what you're saying is

I can grind a lotta stuff by just fishing?

[weary jackal]

Indeed

Most underworld fish just give gemstones, keys, or nectar
Chaos fish give darkness
Surface fish give artefacts

Oh neat Orpheus and Eurydice are singing in the blood

[brisk trail]

im die to first boss ;-;

megaira

[weary jackal]

Zag just called Lernie a flying bastard
And here I thought they were on good terms

[brisk trail]

hm

[hearty sierra]

Have fun dying, it's like 70% of the gameplay loop of roguelites

[brisk trail]

i started dis 20/08

i got 2 titanic blood

already saw hidra 🥶

lol

[hearty sierra]

Unlocked all the weapons yet? If you have, you can spend that Titan's blood

[brisk trail]

no

[brisk trail]

how to use titan blood

[mint coral]

unlock all weapons, do a run afterwards then check your equipped weapon

[brisk trail]

?

[brisk trail]

?

i liked spear

[mint coral]

You need to do what i typed to be able to use titan blood

[brisk trail]

hm

[brisk trail]

what is the best relic

i gave honey to hades he didnt gave me nothing 😭

[weary jackal]

Yeah he does that

[brisk trail]

😭

the trinkets gods gift you are super useful in general

[brisk trail]

?

[hollow hawk]

best keepsakes for new players are probably skelly's or Cerberus

so try to gift them, or as toffel said, gift gods

[brisk trail]

if you give nectar to one of the gods

[brisk trail]

i already did that

im using poseidon/ god of war relic

[hollow hawk]

yeah then gift olympians

[brisk trail]

they let you force gods which is very good

where should i go

ima send print

[keen raven]

3 diamonds for a song! Orpheus should find a new producer

[fair arrow]

just wait until the final song is available for purchase

5 diamonds for it by it is totally worth it

[keen raven]

guess I will spotify

[weary jackal]

The Unseen Ones is definitely more worth it than In The Blood
Doesn’t even have vocals, smh

[fair arrow]

the unseen ones is an amazing track

[fair arrow]

yep but it is nice to puff out the old repertoire of orpheus

[weary jackal]

Wish it played longer in the actual runs
The fight is normally over before it even gets good

By which I mean
He’s killed me.

[fair arrow]

have you ever beaten him on EM4?

[weary jackal]

Nope

[brisk trail]

killed megaira with shield

[weary jackal]

I’ve beaten EM3 a lot
But EM4 is ouf

[wise oasis]

em4 is such a good fight

[brisk trail]

what is em4

[fair arrow]

extreme measures 4

i know how you feel shootbob

[weary jackal]

Em5, you have to fight a stronger Charon at the end of the run

[keen raven]

this game has way too much content

[fair arrow]

please no

[weary jackal]

Can’t have too much of a good thing

[mint coral]

Em5 should affect tiny vermin

[fair arrow]

in the name of hades no

em5 should have a message saying "are you sure about this?"

[vast temple]

i have a question

for the aspect of hades

why

[brisk trail]

guys i need help

if u want help me go to my dms

[scarlet igloo]

With wat

[brisk trail]

what is those

[keen raven]

why is Zag shorter than Persephone

[covert zenith]

Bc he child

[keen raven]

I always thought of him as a young adult

[clever thicket]

What's an erebus gate?

[covert zenith]

Gates with large reward that are unlocked by ||heat||

Kinda like Chaos

[wise oasis]

They're similar to chaos gates, you get an encounter where you can't get hit for a miniboss reward

Need 5/10/15 heat to enter based on biome

[wise oasis]

Spoilers are fine here it's normal discussion dw

[clever thicket]

cool

[proud zodiac]

I'm never taking the anvil of fates on the bow again

I got twin shot explosive shot

[clever thicket]

How do you unlock the 4th aspect of a weapon?

[proud zodiac]

Put 5 or more Titan's blood into it. And then someone will tell you about it. Though, you have to get the first one which I think only comes after a certain criteria is met

[clever thicket]

and what criteria is that?

[proud zodiac]

Purchase the fated list of minor prophecies

And then invest 5 Titan's blood into non-zagreus aspects (can be on any weapon and any aspect besides the Zag ones)

[clever thicket]

ah, thats why

I put it in zagreus hehe

[proud zodiac]

Oh and have reached Hades at least once

[clever thicket]

thanks

[proud zodiac]

Then you should get some dialogue with Achilles

Well, when the game decides to give you the dialogue anyway

[proud zodiac]

Here we go with the fight again

Eighteen and half minutes remaining on the clock to defeat Hades with

[fair arrow]

you got this

wipe the floor with him

[proud zodiac]

And he's dead

4 min kill lol

[fair arrow]

good job

and wow that is fast

how'd you do it

[proud zodiac]

New lowest time for clears

Uh, fists crit build

[fair arrow]

oh

well still good job

[proud zodiac]

Clear time of 20:03.04

[raw herald]

Nice!

Close to sub 20

[proud zodiac]

Also face tanked a lot of damage

[fair arrow]

how many death defies did you go through?

[proud zodiac]

Two of them

I also had 295 HP and positive outlook

And broken spearpoint

[fair arrow]

wow that's pretty good

what level was positive outlook at?

[proud zodiac]

Just one, common. But also I was dodging a lot due to the zagreus aspect and also the alternate dash talent

I mean you get one easy, common Hermes boon and suddenly the alt dash is a straight upgrade

[fair arrow]

nature of the game

you think you can get it under 20 mins?

[proud zodiac]

Possibly

I lost time in Elysium and Temple of Styx

I killed the champs super fast too, by clumping them together, spamming dash attack and dash upper and upper, and abusing broken spearpoint invulnerability to just tank what damage I wasn't dodging

[raw herald]

Also by using lightning strike/merciful end instead of deadly strike will make you kill enemies quicker

[proud zodiac]

And it took the second try to get the satyr sack

Yeah, that too

[raw herald]

There's usually mirror/pact optimisations as well

[raw herald]

Can't get it any earlier

[fair arrow]

wow sounds like you were blazing through it

[proud zodiac]

Just posted it in the boasting channel

Question: what's the speedrun record for this game

[fair arrow]

depends on the heat

[wise oasis]

Random seed any heat its 5:32

[proud zodiac]

How the hell

[fair arrow]

magic

[raw herald]

Luck and skill

[fair arrow]

and/or mechanic abuse

[raw herald]

That run had a 1:08 elysium

Which is mad

[proud zodiac]

But yeah I put the thing in victory boasting

[raw herald]

My best Elysium is like 1:40

[fair arrow]

is there video footage of the run?

[wise oasis]

bruh how did magnil get a faster elysium on 32 heat

wtf

I thought any heat ely would be close

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/kYZx2t_B_S0

[raw herald]

Basically routed

[fair arrow]

thank you muck

[scarlet mason]

i just unlocked rerolls, how exactly do they work

the wording isn't very clear

[fair arrow]

they allow you to change the reward of room but it is limited to certain pools

[scarlet mason]

oh like change a key to shadow?

[fair arrow]

bingo

[scarlet mason]

and the other one, does it change the boons the god is offering, or does it change the god?

[raw herald]

The green option is better

[fair arrow]

yeah

[raw herald]

Changes the boons

[fair arrow]

it changes who's giving you a boon unless you have fated persuasion

persuasion allows you change what boons a god is offering

[raw herald]

Or poms/wells/purging pools

[scarlet mason]

gods prides or gods legacy?

[raw herald]

Both are good

Pride gives better Hermes/chaos boons

Legacy makes builds come together more often

[scarlet mason]

i already have olympian favor maxed out, how does it work with gods' pride?

[raw herald]

For that one, dark foresight is strictly better

[wise oasis]

it works by you not using it ever

[shadow kernel]

Bruh I accidentally megged on the last second of a Tartarus survival room

[wise oasis]

dark foresight is much better

[cunning moon]

what the best talent combo? i have up to thick skin unlocked

[shadow kernel]

Man

3:50 asphodel exit

6:50 elysium exit

Pain

[raw herald]

The good ol' elysium

[scarlet mason]

gods pride or gods legacy?

[cunning moon]

just beat the bull for the first time!!

[scarlet mason]

the mini boss or the full boss?

[cunning moon]

mini?

just the bull guys idk lmao

guys*

guy*

[scarlet mason]

oh just the bull

[cunning moon]

wait theres more bulls🥲

[scarlet mason]

no

[soft echo]

Depends

[cunning moon]

good that was hard lmao

bruh cmon

stupid bot

[scarlet mason]

stop talking about bulls

[cunning moon]

but theyre scary

[scarlet mason]

the bot hates bulls

[cunning moon]

balls

bulls

bills

bolls

[shadow kernel]

No 2 sack either

Come on man

I was going to beat my pb

[scarlet mason]

i only have enough darkness for 1

[scarlet mason]

the guy you fought was a mini boss, theres another boss at the end of Elysium thats harder

[shadow kernel]

Bruh not even a 3 sack

This game hates me

[cunning moon]

😡

ahiet

shiet

[soft echo]

How do you play?; Just run in and hope for the best, or use keepsakes and put together builds?

[tulip ridge]

Focused all my boons into trying for electric fog and ended up with chill fog and auto vengeance

not a horrible run

[shadow kernel]

Bruh

I literally got a 5 sack

And 1 free in elysium

This game does not like me

I’m cursed

This happens every time I have a fast run

[raw herald]

Another run bites the dust

[shadow kernel]

Lol

[hexed bison]

Is there a way to "Leave" after mom got home, you know that scene where you standing there overlooking Greece and the sunrise, I love that scene, it's feel like a subtle reward after a long night battle your way out of hell, I want to see it again without losing all my stuffs

[mint coral]

Nope

[hexed bison]

Such a beautiful moment, and we get to see it like what, a dozen time each save

[sick ibex]

hmm, so, ive always been a death defiance kind of guy, but have i been wrong? is stubborn defiance better??

[signal aspen]

Sd for high heat

[wise oasis]

Generally no for low heat

[signal aspen]

Or if you die in normal rooms a lot

[wise oasis]

If you die a lot in random enemy rooms take stubborn

[signal aspen]

Other than that dd is better

[wise oasis]

Otherwise being able to die twice is really good

[dry mauve]

stubborn defiance is specifically really good when you're inexperienced and die a lot in regular rooms, and for high heat because you take lasting consequences, which prevents you from healing

even though lasting consequences is on, you can heal with stubborn defiance by suiciding in a room and getting the revive to 30%

[hexed bison]

I pray for patroclus whenever I use stubborn

If I'm lucky, it may last till hades

[near dune]

Is the rail the most reliable for speed runs?

I’m just trying to max out every weapon aspect and I’m hitting 17 minute games with hidden bow but I have no clue if the gun is better

[soft echo]

Eris Rail is the most consistent weapon

[near dune]

Gotcha

I figured

Using Zeus boons?

That’s what I was thinking

[raw herald]

Zeus attack and Poseidon dash

[near dune]

What’s the best hammers. Never really used the gun

[raw herald]

Rocket bomb and cluster bomb

[near dune]

Gotcha

[raw herald]

Delta chamber and targetting systems are both decent

[near dune]

Also what’s the max % your god mode can get to

[raw herald]

80%

[near dune]

I was memeing around and it’s so dumb at 50%

[wise oasis]

Hazard bomb eris

That's a joke btw

[raw herald]

Man so many typos today

[signal aspen]

100Z dude

[near dune]

Same man autocorrect works in like half my works

[raw herald]

I'm just so rushed

[soft echo]

[near dune]

Yeah I like responding as fast as possible so I never really check for mistakes

Is the hidden bow a top 5 weapon aspect

[raw herald]

No

Not for speedrunning

[near dune]

Bc I’m hitting 300-400 and sometimes I’ll hit 1500-1600 for four or five times in a row

[raw herald]

But for high heat, yes

[soft echo]

Generally no but it's good for high heat and just generally

[raw herald]

It's fun as well

[near dune]

The sword sucks right

[soft echo]

No

[near dune]

It’s not just me sucking

Alright makes sense

[signal aspen]

It's a good weapon

[soft echo]

Nemesis and Poseidon Aspects are both great

[near dune]

The hidden sword is sooo slow

[signal aspen]

But I think it's kinda boring

[near dune]

I’ve only ever used the hidden and zag

[dry mauve]

i think sword is probably the worst overall weapon?

but its still completely fine

[raw herald]

Yeah sword is stinky

[soft echo]

Worst overall is probably fists or spear

[signal aspen]

No

[dry mauve]

fists are good

[raw herald]

Spear is reliant on one hammer

[wise oasis]

Spear no flurry jab is terrible for me

[soft echo]

^

[raw herald]

If spear didn't have flurry it would be awful

[dry mauve]

the basic fist moveset is good enough by itself to be better than the sword imo

and all three regular fists share that moveset so they're all fine

[near dune]

So what’s the best besides Eris in terms of getting from 1 heat to like 20

[raw herald]

They're all fine for that

[soft echo]

But Sword at its best is better than fists at their best

[near dune]

Bc ill start with it but I’ll probably get bored

Gotcha

[raw herald]

Switch it up, maybe just go for dark thirst

[near dune]

I love the bow though it has my best time

[raw herald]

It's good to be proficient at all weapons

[near dune]

It’s only 15:25 but better than 19, 23, and 28

[dry mauve]

sword is just kind of unsafe even when you have a good build

and it has a lot of dud hammers

[raw herald]

Yup

[soft echo]

True

[near dune]

I don’t love the shields hammers

They are all so weird

Besides not having to bull rush

I like that one

[raw herald]

Fists have the least interesting hammers imo

[soft echo]

Of course, I am because I'm a god gamer

[dry mauve]

i told myself i would do 32 heat with all aspects to get proficient at everything
but what ended up happening was that I just cheese the weapons I didnt like

[raw herald]

When the best one is just a stat boost its kind of boring

[near dune]

Has anyone ever beaten the game with all heat besides time

[raw herald]

True, I did the same when doing sub 10, if I don't like a weapon I'll just use tidal dash

[dry mauve]

whats the best fist hammer?
i always thought it was breaching cross

[raw herald]

Not unseeded

[near dune]

Bc I don’t even know if it’s possible to beat the game with all heat

[dry mauve]

max heat has been beaten seeded

[raw herald]

It's practically impossible

[wise oasis]

I'm working on 32 all weps now, and I'm really not looking forward to spear

[raw herald]

Yeah it is breaching

[dry mauve]

im pretty good with hades spear

[near dune]

This guy has a Rama 60 unseeded on yt

[dry mauve]

but for zag spear and guan yu I cheesed 32 with a special build

[raw herald]

Unseeded record is 61

[mint coral]

Im missing sword and fists on both 32 heat and sub 10
I just dont like them

[raw herald]

I think I did gilga splash dash for my 32 fists

Lmao

[wise oasis]

Just splash everything?

[raw herald]

Yep, and crit as well

[wise oasis]

Can I do hunting blades or something for 32 spear

I don't wanna reset 20ctimes for flurry jab

[raw herald]

That will work with achilles

You can also do phalanx shot

[wise oasis]

Ye I tried lightning phalanx on Poseidon today

Not too bad

[dry mauve]

reset for exploding launcher :^)

[mint coral]

For my spear sub 10 was fun
Saw a starting hammer flurry jab while finishing the bounties so thought "eh, why not"
Ended up with 8:21

[wise oasis]

But meme beam would be funnier than hunting blades

[dry mauve]

i think achilles and hades spear are fine even if you dont get good hammers

but I find that zag spear and guan yu are much rougher if your hammers are bad

[raw herald]

Achilles spear needs flurry jab for quick rooms, and a good cast build for quick bosses

[dry mauve]

oh I just mean doing 32 heat

[raw herald]

Yeah I wouldn't bother with flurry jab on 32 heat, unless you were speedrunning it

[dry mauve]

when did flurry jab become the best spear hammer

[brisk trail]

always

[dry mauve]

i took a big break

and back when I played I think the community consensus was that the dash hammer was best for spear

[brisk trail]

the dash hammer is rly good for hades spear bc it cant get flurry

[dry mauve]

oh

that might be why

[brisk trail]

and hades spear was better than achilles before 1.0

so ppl playednit

[raw herald]

Hmm, I only started playing at all last September and I didn't play well until after flurry jab was OP

[dry mauve]

I do recall that I barely saw flurry being mentioned when I played a lot

but when I started playing again last week I feel like every time spear is brought up someone mentions flurry jab

back then I think the two good hammers that people liked were serrated point and exploding launcher

[raw herald]

Think people realised that when you hold attack and dash around with flurry jab, you hit stuff a lot

If you just hold attack without dashing, it's not great

[dry mauve]

yeah i tried a run with flurry and it felt pretty good

[scarlet mason]

i think i got my most powerfull run yet

i just got big updgraded dementer lasers, powered by chaos

i just layed down 4 and zapped hades every 10 secconds

[weary jackal]

Feels weirdly ironic killing Asterius with Poseidon boons

[echo moat]

Just got to third boss with shield strictly based off Zeus thunder dash and Poseidon special

And pumped them up strong

I didn’t get a single Attack boon I wanted to use haha

[forest falcon]

What's erebus

[weary jackal]

It’s a special room where you aren’t allowed to get hit
If you do it successfully you get an empowered reward
If you fail
Onions.

Also you need 5/10/15 heat to enter it

[forest falcon]

Ty

[humble heath]

My friend start calling Eurydice "The Broccoli Lady"

Now I can't unsee it

[humble heath]

It's also where Charon fight you if you "take" his money bag

You will gets a 20% off club card as reward if you get his HP low enough, you are unable to summon skelly, for...achem...Some...Reasons...

[deft mulch]

how do people kill charon so easily

[weary jackal]

Charon is fully capable and willing to beat you to death with an oar

[deft mulch]

i think i've died to him more than hades

no joke

[tulip ridge]

Is there ever a benefit to getting the loyalty card

[weary jackal]

Meg, Lernie, Theseus, Asterius, and Hades are all fighting you because they’re trying to stop you from getting to the surface
Charon, however, is simply furious.

[tulip ridge]

I usually just ignore

[deft mulch]

20% off

i like it for buying blood

[humble heath]

Yeah, you get all his stuff 20% cheaper for that run

[deft mulch]

or diamond

[weary jackal]

20% off purchases for that run, and an achievement

[deft mulch]

blood is 240 cheaper with card

[tulip ridge]

I should prob do it for the achievement then

I never take the bag

[deft mulch]

and diamond is 200 cheaper

i like to play sword and charon beats my ass when i use any melee

[humble heath]

He's light saberish move is so OP

[deft mulch]

yeah

so much range

[weary jackal]

Bow supremacy

[deft mulch]

and kind of unpredictable

to me at least

[humble heath]

Same

[mint coral]

Last time i fighted him was during hestia shackle run

Finding him early was fun

[deft mulch]

i tried to fight charon with ||aspect of arthur||

didn

go so well

[humble heath]

I like to use the second aspect of bow

Forgot the name

[deft mulch]

charon

lmao

[humble heath]

Damn

[deft mulch]

charon vs charo

n

[weary jackal]

Chiron.

[humble heath]

[deft mulch]

my bad

[weary jackal]

Charon is the Styx boatman
Chiron is the centaur who trained Achilles

[deft mulch]

all the bow aspects are so strong

[humble heath]

It's pretty funny if you have hangover on Q and use it on ppl

[dry mauve]

i think charon is easier than hades

[deft mulch]

chiron is strong, hera is very strong, ||rama is strong||

[mint coral]

Hera has grown on me lately
I still love rama more

[dry mauve]

he hits really hard, but his moves are super telegraphed

[weary jackal]

Chiron is the best aspect in the game

Change my mind.

[humble heath]

Beowolf?

[dry mauve]

its strong but there are other aspects that are very strong

[deft mulch]

have you used nemesis

[mint coral]

For what

[humble heath]

Maybe...

[halcyon imp]

Which weapon is that aspect for?

[weary jackal]

Bow

[deft mulch]

bow

[halcyon imp]

I'll have to try it out

[dry mauve]

chiron probably has the lowest barrier to entry, which is its biggest selling point

[deft mulch]

its only 1 blodd

[dry mauve]

you can do very well with chiron even with low experience

[tulip ridge]

rama can crit for 3k with only a couple boons though

[halcyon imp]

I love aspect of hades, and|| aspect of arthur||

[deft mulch]

the starter aspects i would recommend (in order) are nemesis, chiron, eris, achilles, chaos, and the fists one

[mint coral]

I used chiron for a while but now is only for hanhover builds when im bored

[deft mulch]

all the 1 blood aspects are pretty good

imo

[weary jackal]

Sea storm Chiron is really good

[mint coral]

Chaos/chiron wants more blood tho

[deft mulch]

artemis chiron

[deft mulch]

isnt it one blood?

to unlock

[mint coral]

Their lvl 1 is kind of bad

[humble heath]

I am not very good at shield, I don't have the grasp of guard

[deft mulch]

chiron lvl one is fine if you get hammer

[weary jackal]

The Relentless + Concentrated volley combo seems designed just for Chiron

[deft mulch]

chaos lvl one is awful

[mint coral]

Hera works more at lvl 1 than chiron

[weary jackal]

I don’t like Hera, mostly because I’m psychologically repulsed by using Casts