for that matter I love how freaking lazy Hypnos' keepsake is? "gosh, I dunno, have some money I guess? good luck!"
#h1-discussion
quartz hearth
native raven
for that matter I love how freaking lazy Hypnos' keepsake is? "gosh, I dunno, ha...
his keepsake is like his advice
hexed smelt
i've gained a new appreciation for the lucky tooth, actually
i recently got the switch version and as i don't use steam cloud i used it as an excuse to start a fresh file
lunar crane
quartz hearth
and Achilles' keepsake is effectively a training aid, which is great. "keep your eye on the enemy and your wits about you, lad, and don't get sloppy."
native raven
proceeds to stand there and hold left click
azure osprey
What is music dudes thing then
Be a cat
That is scared
Since I can’t say the other word
quartz hearth
Charon's is just "buy my stuff" 
azure osprey
I don’t think Charon owns the well
native raven
you do more damage to enemies that are farther from you
weary jackal
DAMN ITT
native raven
aka play like a COWARD
quartz hearth
it's called the Well of Charon??
hexed smelt
haha memes
native raven
something something athena boons
wet frigate
haha memes
steals the meme
hexed smelt
i put far too much effort in
native raven
you put the correct amount of effort in
hexed smelt
aw man i forgot about all the lil ghostie edits i made...
azure osprey
it's called the Well of Charon??
Wait REALLY
hexed smelt
Wait REALLY
it sure is!
quartz hearth
azure osprey
Charon and the well had the same name
quartz hearth
sorry, I shouldn't laugh, I've missed stuff like that before too
weary jackal
I’m about 5 seconds away from climbing up the back of Hades’ chair and strangling him
native raven
thunder flourish, heaven's vengeance or clouded judgement going into the hades fight with arthur
demeters call
quartz hearth
I’m about 5 seconds away from climbing up the back of Hades’ chair and stranglin...
use his beard, there's lots of it and it's conveniently positioned
hexed smelt
tinfoil hat time
signal aspen
thunder flourish, heaven's vengeance or clouded judgement going into the hades f...
probably heaven's vengeance
hexed smelt
the well came first, charon just thought it sounded neat
quartz hearth
I love messing with the interior decor and making Hades snarl at Zag about it
hexed smelt
I love messing with the interior decor and making Hades snarl at Zag about it
flipping back and forth between curtain colours just to frustrate hades
quartz hearth
interior design is my passion 
hexed smelt
"will you STOP messing with the drapery" or whatever that line is
azure osprey
I’m about 5 seconds away from climbing up the back of Hades’ chair and stranglin...
No
native raven
flipping back and forth between curtain colours just to frustrate hades
just like, switch between them so fast hades has a seizure
and then slip out while he's not looking
hexed smelt
gently baps tobu on the nose
azure osprey
Also there’s multiple things I don’t get
weary jackal
"will you STOP messing with the drapery" or whatever that line is
I have that as my status rn
azure osprey
Why does hades not imprison you
quartz hearth
I bought Nyx flowers and she was so pleased, and then Trash Dad yells from the next room, THAT IS NO PLACE FOR FLOWERS, CLEAN THAT UP
forever hilarious
native raven
Why does hades not imprison you
not worth the effort
hexed smelt
i mean, zagreus has proven that he's stubborn enough to break out
azure osprey
You’re friends with them now
quartz hearth
your face is no place for flowers 🙄
hexed smelt
what do you mean by "being a butt"?
native raven
*your face* is no place for flowers 🙄
disagree
azure osprey
what do you mean by "being a butt"?
I can’t say as s
signal aspen
ass
native raven
imagine hades but with a ton of flowers in his beard
signal aspen
lmao
azure osprey
Awesome
quartz hearth
well, okay, he'd probably look pretty good, I admit it
native raven
god i wish i could draw
quartz hearth
he'd be so affronted, though
native raven
i'd draw that and make it my pfp
azure osprey
i mean, zagreus has proven that he's stubborn enough to break out
Okay but surely
hexed smelt
guys can we not turn into children repeating mild swearwords like the seagulls from finding nemo
anyway
azure osprey
Hades could do something to stop zag
hexed smelt
it's cerberus and meg's jobs to bar the way, and than never actually works against zag in any respect
native raven
hades could just take all your funny weapons but he's afraid of guns so he doesn't
azure osprey
it's cerberus and meg's _jobs_ to bar the way, and than never actually works aga...
Okay but every once in a while Cerberus can just scoot over
hexed smelt
hades is already trying to do something to stop zag, it's just not working
at the end of the day
Is Game
Requires Gameplay
azure osprey
Sadly
fiery bramble
I just need to keep doing runs in order to gift Hades a second time right?
hexed smelt
(shoutout to when than hadn't been implemented yet and i was convinced he'd be a boss fight lmao)
azure osprey
I just need to keep doing runs in order to gift Hades a second time right?
10 times I heard
chrome wharf
hades could just take all your funny weapons but he's afraid of guns so he doesn...
there's a fanart of this. Remind me later to dig it out
signal aspen
I just need to keep doing runs in order to gift Hades a second time right?
you need to get 10 clears and after that he will hopefully let you give him nectar
native raven
there's a fanart of this. Remind me later to dig it out
Y E S
fiery bramble
you need to get 10 clears and after that he will hopefully let you give him nect...
10 clears after the initial 10 to beat the main story?
native raven
meant the flowers in beard one
EVEN BETTER
signal aspen
10 clears after the initial 10 to beat the main story?
no just beat the main story
native raven
she's the goth step mom
fiery bramble
I gifted him once early in the game but haven't had the chance to again yet, I'll just keep doing runs
hexed smelt
bonk
wise oasis
Is your doctor your mom?
native raven
when do you get the opportunity to gift hades for the first time?
azure osprey
Is your doctor your mom?
My doctor did not make me alive
azure osprey
when do you get the opportunity to gift hades for the first time?
At the beginning of the game
native raven
i've beaten him twice, literally tabbed out ready to beat him again and i haven't seen one
native raven
At the beginning of the game
o
quartz hearth
I mean, most doctors don't resuscitate a crashing neonate by magically willing the life force back into them with their phenomenal cosmic powers 🤔
sooo I'm willing to give Nyx some credit there
hexed smelt
i have a very sad headcanon about that time period ;-; mostly because, well, than is the god of death, and you could argue zag was dead, so.....
quartz hearth
she'd still count as his mom regardless, though, raising a child with love and care does that IMO
even Zag says he's just grateful to be lucky enough to have two awesome mothers
quartz hearth
Porque No Los Dos
hexed smelt
and if they hold hands sometimes that's totally up to them
azure osprey
Pers sprite looks so weird to me
native raven
alright, onto hades with this wack ass arthur build
azure osprey
She keeps changing between old woman
native raven
still have all 3 defiances
azure osprey
And young lady
teal needle
What's the best aspect for spear
ripe rapids
And young lady
It’s still the same person
signal aspen
What's the best aspect for spear
achilles
teal needle
What about fist?
signal aspen
What about fist?
demeter
teal needle
What about gun?
signal aspen
eris
teal needle
To ask smarter discord people
ripe rapids
💀💀
native raven
what the hell is going on
azure osprey
somehow at full health?!!!??
If you got to hades with three revives it should be an easy W bro
hexed smelt
everyone plays the game differently and therefore an aspect someone else thinks is good might not be very good for you
native raven
If you got to hades with three revives it should be an easy W bro
yeah bro
hexed smelt
just try them all, you lose nothing by trying
azure osprey
Bro
native raven
those laser lights though...
hexed smelt
well, other than if you don't have them unlocked already i suppose.
native raven
i lost three death defiances to them before
ripe rapids
just try them all, you lose nothing by trying
But his W/L
azure osprey
just try them all, you lose nothing by trying
Not all of them don’t waste your blood
native raven
but this time i have the ancient tactic of hug
native raven
2 heat
azure osprey
Bro bro bro
ripe rapids
Not all of them don’t waste your blood
Can you not get more? I’ve spent like 6
native raven
Can you not get more? I’ve spent like 6
you can get a lot more
ripe rapids
Oh
native raven
once you unlock heat runs, you get 6 more by default because you can run each weapon with 1 heat for a blood
azure osprey
Get the lamer stuff
native raven
also some aspects apparently count as different weapons so that's some more blood
native raven
yeah its weird
ripe rapids
The person below me likes playing Hades
ripe rapids
Lmao gottem
native raven
the shield of chaos and aegis definitely count as separate weapons for bounties
azure osprey
Dusa is undatable
native raven
i have no idea why but yes
weary jackal
the shield of chaos and aegis definitely count as separate weapons for bounties
You what
native raven
Dusa is undatable
native raven
<@558769189305974815> I just realized your discord numbers are my address
see you soon
ripe rapids
see you soon
😳
azure osprey
<@558769189305974815> I just realized your discord numbers are my address
Why did you tell me your address
native raven
azure osprey
I’m kidnapping you
hexed smelt
y'all
ripe rapids
Go to Asphodel
hexed smelt
back on topic please
ripe rapids
back on topic please
Come to my house and make me
native raven
holy hell
its true
you can just hug hades and you won't take laser light show damage
azure osprey
you can just hug hades and you won't take laser light show damage
Hades is a push over now
native raven
i knew of the ancient techniques but to see them in person
god, this is so much easier
this fight is such a pushover if you can dodge the spin attacks
azure osprey
this fight is such a pushover if you can dodge the spin attacks
You can
Dodge between every slash
That’s what I do
Or just stay away from him
native raven
already beat him :))))))
ripe rapids
I just press the button a whole lot
native raven
i only used one defiance holy hell
ripe rapids
Am I valid
native raven
yes
native raven
i kinda wanna just do easy runs for persephone story but i also want to progress
floral ledge
is it normal to grab aphrodite and only getting literally the first boon from her?
the rest of the run was an assortment of poseidon, zeus, and ares
should I keep the keepsake until I'm done with her boons?
thick lark
Ok...I'm on Hades with 2 DD's and full HP...I can do this...
native raven
Ok...I'm on Hades with 2 DD's and full HP...I can do this...
i believe in you
brisk trail
Adamant rail is the worst weapon by far Imo
native raven
aspect of arthur best weapon
tulip ridge
whatever the second aspect of coronarcht is
short glen
bow is kinda cringe
tulip ridge
with the tracking shots
short glen
chiron is nice
native raven
i don't like either of the ranged weapons
brisk trail
Bow is good if you get it rapid fire
floral ledge
Rama with ricochet shot is really OP
floral ledge
I've wiped a room in 2 clicks
wise oasis
J interact?
stoic flame
he has wacky keyboard
signal aspen
Why j? Just curious
dvorak
stoic flame
💀 💀 💀
signal aspen
wtf is your build
signal aspen
nice
native raven
who's the final entry in the "others of note" category
under skelly
the wiki doesn't list anything past skelly
floral ledge
under skelly
||Persephone||
thick lark
Makes sense
native raven
||Persephone||
im assuming you have to ||beat hades 10 times to actually get persephone in the book||?
i've only actually beat 3 runs
native raven
brug
floral ledge
this game is designed perfectly to unlock everything without a guide
it will happen eventually
I hate games where I have to pull the instructions manual to complete it
e.g. if you have spoken to X before Y happens, and Z is not present at location B before you discover the item C, then A can be talked to for this cool item
I gotta say it's getting to a point where it's starting to piss me off
I just died to waiting
there has to be something other than... this
but I need more nectar to find out
native raven
man
this game sometimes
i have 98 coins and there's a centaur soul in the well
😔
remote void
Oh nice
azure osprey
Who ever said hugging dad stops you from taking laser damage is a liar
remote void
Wdym
azure osprey
apparently
remote void
Like in the final fight?
native raven
you do
chrome wharf
the positioning can get finicky
remote void
Lmfao
native raven
i literally just did last run
remote void
It depends on where you are relative to the beams
native raven
hug him from the right, that's where i was
azure osprey
It is so inconsistent I’m never doing that again
chrome wharf
it's worked for all 4 directions but can be hit or miss esp if you take too long
remote void
Yeah
native raven
nothing will ever give me the joy that seeing a daedalus hammer chamber does
remote void
Or seeing Charon selling one
native raven
yeah lol
signal aspen
It is so inconsistent I’m never doing that again
you're just bad lmao
mint coral
there is the joy of the anvil not throwing your hammers to the worst outcome possible
native raven
the hammer is kinda bad
remote void
you're just bad lmao
It's tricky, don't get mean about it
remote void
Give nectar to Bouldy instead 
wise oasis
Daedelus boon when?
native raven
daedalus boon: you just get a giant hammer to hit people with
wise oasis
Gives you cluster rockets every time 
native raven
mmm
wise oasis
daedalus boon: you just get a giant hammer to hit people with
Arthur in a nutshell
Big bonk
mint coral
flurry jab everytime
native raven
cluster rockets are the only thing that can make me enjoy rail
native raven
Arthur in a nutshell
arthur best weapon
i am using arthur
i just beat the game for the third time with arthur
wise oasis
flurry jab everytime
Flurry jab is the only hammer that makes spear useable to me
mint coral
i can use it with serrated point or flurry
at least achilles
guan yu i dont touch it unless i know that first hammer is charged
lost ermine
I can't stand shorter dash distance though
native raven
guan yu just sounds like cursed slash on steroids
native raven
doesn't seem bad
remote void
So I got the Aspect of Gilgamesh not to long ago
mint coral
guan yu heal is bad
wise oasis
The heal is underwhelming but it has built in exploding launcher
mint coral
at least flurry/cursed can be good
hidden spear is more like something to use beetween waves
lost ermine
Gilgamesh is fun. Nyoom and big damage
wise oasis
Guan Yu is fun until you reach hades and he one shots you immediately
remote void
And dash upper made me realize that dash strikes have about a 1 1/2 second proc time
Or more like a 1/2 second
steep elm
is there a consistent way to input repeated dash-strikes with sword?
signal aspen
git gud
remote void
is there a consistent way to input repeated dash-strikes with sword?
Always dash and press attack at the same time
Only real advice I have
signal aspen
tbh just practice it on skelly
remote void
That too
steep elm
my main problem is that if i attack -> dash -> attack, then i get the second hit of the combo instead of the dash strike
which is hard to look out for
steep elm
Always dash and press attack at the same time
ok yeah, that makes sense
remote void
Or roughly the same time
brisk trail
yeah as soon as you do a normal hit it will continue the combo instead of doing a dash strike
wise oasis
If you're on controller you can put your thumb on both buttons and just hit them
brisk trail
reset it with special
wise oasis
||just like how I short hop in smash||
remote void
If you're on controller you can put your thumb on both buttons and just hit them
This is what I do
Plus I use a Stadia controller with it so uh
steep elm
||just like how I short hop in smash||
i get the general idea, but that doesn't seem like a very efficient shorthop method
remote void
Kinda more difficult
steep elm
you have to move your thumb to hit both Y and X?
remote void
You don't have your dash mapped to A?
steep elm
You don't have your dash mapped to A?
specifically talking about the mentioned smash inputs
i've got it down for hades, p easy
mint coral
remapping always works
i remapped special to the summon button
wise oasis
Ive been considering moving special to right click and cast to m4 but muscle memory
remote void
Oh in smash I just spam Kirby's Down+B 
steep elm
mint coral
something fun i noticed, for some reason when playing beo i always re map cast to Y (switch controller) attack to zl and special to a
but when using hera i need to inverse cast and attack
steep elm
i literally booted up smash for the first time in a month earlier
then stopped bc of an annoying zss player in elite
remote void
something fun i noticed, for some reason when playing beo i always re map cast t...
Hm
I do like using Beo
mint coral
beo was my 2nd sub 10
remote void
Zag Shield is pretty bad tbh
ripe rapids
I thought beo was an aspect
remote void
The other aspects are easy though
remote void
I thought beo was an aspect
Hidden aspect yeah
signal aspen
shield has my heat pb and time pb
ripe rapids
Can you have it with Zeus aspect??
remote void
Chaos shield is fun to use
remote void
Can you have it with Zeus aspect??
Yep
ripe rapids
Huh
azure osprey
GOD DAMN WOOO
mint coral
zeus shield is fun with more zeus 
azure osprey
THE GUN ROCKET IS AMAZING
ripe rapids
Grocket
azure osprey
I had the rocket plus the 3 burst thing
It was so fun
The rocket should’ve been an aspect
But whatever
mint coral
try it with eris aspect
signal aspen
use it while you are reloading
floral ledge
I rarely use the autoattack
azure osprey
Everything in this game has a weird dumb name
wise oasis
Hestia with rocket bomb is really nice
azure osprey
I don’t even remember the name of ANY of the weapons
signal aspen
bruh
ripe rapids
What’s the shield called
wise oasis
Aegis
signal aspen
your mom
ripe rapids
And sword
azure osprey
Shield
remote void
I don’t even remember the name of ANY of the weapons
Stygius, Varatha, the Shield, Cronaut, Malphon, Exagryph
azure osprey
Sword
mint coral
i know the name of the aspects but not the weapons itself lol
lost ermine
Rocket bomb does 80 right? How much does the base special do
azure osprey
100
ripe rapids
Stygius, Varatha, the Shield, Cronaut, Malphon, Exagryph
The Shield
mint coral
normal special does 60
wise oasis
Rocket bomb does more than base special
remote void
The Shield
Forgot the name but I remember all the others
azure osprey
Wait really
floral ledge
Stygius, Varatha, the Shield, Cronaut, Malphon, Exagryph
4 out of 6, not bad
wise oasis
Coronacht
signal aspen
cronut
floral ledge
donut the bownut
ripe rapids
Forgot the name but I remember all the others
I have a cipher of the original name: gAeis @remote void
😳
remote void
Aegis
signal aspen
ayjis
remote void
Because Shield
cold harbor
which cast do you guys use for beo?
signal aspen
signal aspen
flood flare for easy mirage shot and big aoe, passion for big damage
remote void
which cast do you guys use for beo?
Any tbh
signal aspen
point blank
floral ledge
nah that's the worst
remote void
Perfect or Repulse shot
wise oasis
Ask for advice and immediately reject it 
lost ermine
Perfect Shot
mint coral
first or 2nd hammer?
cold harbor
oh i meant boiling blood or abyssal blood
signal aspen
oh i meant boiling blood or abyssal blood
they dont do anything on beo
floral ledge
first or 2nd hammer?
2nd
wise oasis
Doesn't matter, flares can't lodge
remote void
cold harbor
oh really
remote void
I forgot what Boiling and Abyssal Blood are
mint coral
thats why i love beo
remote void
I hardly go to the mirror anymore
wise oasis
I forgot what Boiling and Abyssal Blood are
Enemies take more damage/are slower with a cast in them
remote void
Oh okay
floral ledge
Ask for advice and immediately reject it <:bigbrain:674067337904652339>
Oh no, I rejected advice, noooes
mint coral
Enemies take more damage/are slower with a cast in them
from attack and special
lost ermine
How do you guys rate Chaos aspect? I did so bad on a run with it yesterday that I hate it now
signal aspen
its the worst out of the shield aspects
stoic flame
smh
remote void
How do you guys rate Chaos aspect? I did so bad on a run with it yesterday that ...
It's just a phantom shield that does less damage
native raven
dear god im tired
stoic flame
i like it tho
native raven
my brain is doing several bad things
stoic flame
its fun
hot wind
Eyyyy I just got my first Victory and escape
signal aspen
poggies
lost ermine
The extra shields seem difficult to use well but I don't know if it's cause I'm just unpracticed
native raven
i was talking to my friend and i accidentally chose cursed slash over the 300% armor upgrade...on arthur
hot wind
Epic
native raven
and then i accidentally took coins over hermes
lost ermine
Eyyyy I just got my first Victory and escape
Lets goooo
native raven
i need to sleep
remote void
So as broadly as possible, what's Merciful End?
hot wind
Lets goooo
Eyyyy yeah like run 22 lol
signal aspen
duo boon for ares and athena
mint coral
deflect skills trigger doom inmediatily
hot wind
Been just trying to unlock stuff for house
then just
Got a really good run
and finally got all way
charred cave
So as broadly as possible, what's Merciful End?
when you deflect you also inflict doom
native raven
wait, in styx is the daedalus anvil random?
mint coral
ye
native raven
can i still make this run not garbage?
hot wind
that last fight is so stressfull tho
remote void
when you deflect you also inflict doom
I thought it was an ending for some reason lmao
Like the 10th escape or something
charred cave
makes sense
lost ermine
Yea lose one random hammer, gain two different random hammers
hot wind
Shield Curse Of Pain on it wasnt bad
native raven
Yea lose one random hammer, gain two different random hammers
time to pray to the nine divines that it removes cursed slash
cold harbor
if the anvil doesn't give you something you like, you can quit and reload
native raven
once i get to styx anyways im in elysium atm
cold harbor
you can't get different rolls if you try again though
remote void
if the anvil doesn't give you something you like, you can quit and reload
Save scumming 
cold harbor
😉
lost ermine
if the anvil doesn't give you something you like, you can quit and reload
Disgusten 
cold harbor
look... sometimes you gotta beat the game
native raven
cursed slash 😠
hot wind
I just bet game first time no save scumming or anything lol
I wanst even going after builds or whatever people call it
lol
mint coral
or sometimes you dont want the worst things the anvil could give
native raven
i'm just doing 0 heat runs because i want to advance the story with funny persephone without wanting to die myself
mint coral
sometimes its merciful and it gives you triple explosive on hidden bow
cold harbor
the anvil can be a fickle mistress
native raven
the anvil can be an ass or it can remove cursed slash, there are only two sides of the coin
charred cave
what does cursed slash do?
signal aspen
or it can remove cursed slash and give you D A S H N O V A
teal needle
For aspect of Arthur do I just need to have guan Yu unlocked or do I actually need to have it?
signal aspen
you need to unlock it
brisk trail
I haven't had a good run in a while smh
native raven
For aspect of Arthur do I just need to have guan Yu unlocked or do I actually ne...
unlocked
you don't need to actually buy it
just have it available
whole ridge
9 clears down, and now I only need a clear with the sword to get at least 1 clear with each weapon
lost ermine
Am I crazy or will each run only give you boons from 4/5 gods
whole ridge
The 10th is gonna be the sword one, that way I don't have to worry about choking on Hades xD
mint coral
Am I crazy or will each run only give you boons from 4/5 gods
not going crazy, a run will offer you gods until you have 4 (+hermes)
after that it will keep offering those
you can still force another god into your god pool with their keepsake
lost ermine
Ok nice
mint coral
chaos doesnt count for the 4 too
lost ermine
Does equipping the keepsake at the start guarantee that the god will be in the 4 then
lost ermine
Very nice thanks
floral ledge
pfff zeus did 12k damage what the hell
native raven
...how to save scum
the styx anvil didn't remove cursed slash
and for this it will pay the price of going back in time
floral ledge
there's no save scum, nor is the game meant to do so xD
floral ledge
it's not a big deal, if you win it's a win, if you lose you can start a new run
sick ibex
heyo, feel free to reply with spoiler, but how do you unlock that room again that lets you check your run history and stuff like that, the one by zan. I cant remember what I did to unlock it on steam, and on ps5 its just sitting there locked
native raven
not trying to make progress
thorn marsh
just wait
native raven
i just want to make this run less of a pain lol
thorn marsh
heyo, feel free to reply with spoiler, but how do you unlock that room again tha...
i dont think u dont do anything special for it just progress iirc
native raven
accidentally chose cursed slash back in elysium and was waiting to remove it at the funny styx anvil
floral ledge
heyo, feel free to reply with spoiler, but how do you unlock that room again tha...
house contractor i believe
native raven
heyo, feel free to reply with spoiler, but how do you unlock that room again tha...
house contractor, 2 diamonds
sick ibex
ahhh, contractor sounds right, thank you guys
limber fossil
Is Demeter/Artemis Duo boon better or ares/Artemis duo boon I’m trying to beat ||Hades|| for the first time
mint coral
i think ares needs less to work imo
thorn marsh
Is Demeter/Artemis Duo boon better or ares/Artemis duo boon I’m trying to beat |...
ares artemis 100%
native raven
stubborn defiance never helps me
thorn marsh
thats hunting blades vs freezing vortex
native raven
though on your first hades fight
i'd take it
oh i was thinking of the wrong thing
sick ibex
honestly, just a demeter cast build will basically win the non EM version of the fight for free
thorn marsh
hunting blades is better than freezing vortex
native raven
honestly, just a demeter cast build will basically win
limber fossil
honestly, just a demeter cast build will basically win the non EM version of the...
I’m not sure what em is, does that come into play post game?
thorn marsh
I’m not sure what em is, does that come into play post game?
post clear yeah
mint coral
after completing a run
sick ibex
yeah i abbreviated it to not ruin nothing for ya haha
limber fossil
Alright I see, thank you
thorn marsh
hunting blades is poggers
crude surge
Bayblade :D
sick ibex
I never bothered with poseidan boons, knock back always made me chase for my first runs so I always avoided them, but I recently had a spear run that had like 10 of his boons pop, including the spear special turns into explodie shot. good lord. poseodon dash, special and cast, double push, rupture, bonus damage to bosses, 400% wall slams. absolutey demolished styx lol
oh and water burst on push
crude surge
Splash dash is pog
sick ibex
it was the dirtiest build
mint coral
poseidon is the bane of styx after all
crude surge
Breaking wave splash dash handles Styx amazing
thorn marsh
splash dash is the poggiest dash of them all
crude surge
Hunter dash is more pog on the right weapon
sick ibex
my hermes 20% faster special on that spear dadelous mod that replaces special with the shot is absurd with double push water splash.
i actually felt like a god lol
sick ibex
darn tootin. and it felt like it for a change haha.
I hate not getting bonus damage to armor enemies. makes me feel weak. but that didnt even matter with that build hah
bout to plug in my fightstick and see how hades feels on it. could be pretttty cool. or booty. we shall see
brisk trail
Is 26 runs not having gotten past Elysium yet kinda bad
thorn marsh
no
sick ibex
nah man, just dont sleep on the mirror. it will get you some invaluable perks to help ya out. and give skelly or cerb a gift and get their keepsakes. helps a ton
thorn marsh
eurydice helps more imo
mint coral
euridyce keepsake if the boss is giving you problem also works
whole ridge
Skelly has saved my rear end a few times in runs
Also I am tempted to mess around with a couple of the alternate perks I haven't used to fill out the Fated List stuff, as thanks to the run I'm on I don't gotta worry on Hades regardless
sick ibex
this bum achillies needs to give me my phrase alreadyyyy lol. its been like 15 runs since the conditions have been met. comeon bucko
whole ridge
RNG can be cruel mah dude
sick ibex
the phrase for the gauntlets took me like 2 weeks back on my steam file lol, that one was brutal
mint coral
Max out that heat bar and die in chamber 1
whole ridge
That is a quick house reset method yes
mint coral
Or not everything but the important
Hl5, fo2, etc
brisk trail
How come it feels like when I first fought the bomber skeleton miniboss they were semi hard to kill but now it's like they're a joke to me?
whole ridge
I foresee Stubborn Defiance being just a massive pain in the ass to beat the game with, at least if used in conjunction with other stuff
lost ermine
Love these Death% strats
whole ridge
How come it feels like when I first fought the bomber skeleton miniboss they wer...
Because ya don't suck anymore
lost ermine
It seems stubborn defiance is only viable for high heat runs
brisk trail
So I'm not doing more damage or something? Because they seem way weaker than I recall from the first encounter
raw herald
Mirror helps a ton
whole ridge
That as well yes
lost ermine
Well you have stuff like backstab damage and infernal soul now
whole ridge
Is it worthwhile to reset the mirror to take advantage of the free Hades to fill out the Fated Prophecy for the Mirror?
floral ledge
keys have no use other than resetting the mirror mostly
thorn marsh
what prophecy is that again LOL
thorn marsh
keys have no use other than resetting the mirror mostly
they have a post credit resource sinks
whole ridge
The one where ya gotta beat the game with every perk on the mirror
floral ledge
there are sometimes trades and all, but I don't use them
floral ledge
they have a post credit resource sinks
yeah but that's irrelevant
brisk trail
I guess I just don't suck as much now lol plus the bloodlust mirror perk probably also makes a big difference
whole ridge
Thinking I'll probably at the least keep the max health boost if I'm gonna do it. That way I'd be able to not worry about dying quickly later in due to poor RNG for my max health
lost ermine
High confidence is kinda sexy on ranged weapons tho ngl
mint coral
Im still missing the prophecy to complete a run with all the pacts
Approval process is lame
lost ermine
Approval process is unfun for sure
brisk trail
Charon could have made getting out easier smh
meager ridge
great
just great
i died AGAIN to hades
this game is seriously tedious and frustrating 30% of the time
brisk trail
I bet you'll go to sleep tonight then totally bust his ass the next day first to second try
meager ridge
I bet you'll go to sleep tonight then totally bust his ass the next day first to...
you're wrong
i was thinking that last night
and that failed
i despise this game sometimes
brisk trail
Damn.
floral ledge
are you on your first runs?
fiery bramble
If things are really that frustrating, turn on God Mode. Honestly, the game should be enjoyed before anything
meager ridge
are you on your first runs?
i have 34 escape attempts
meager ridge
If things are really that frustrating, turn on God Mode. Honestly, the game shou...
hell no
i may hate the game sometimes, but i'm not a damn noob
fiery bramble
Technically...
brisk trail
Dark souls moment
mint coral
There is no wrong with god mode tho
fiery bramble
Agreed
mint coral
Is not like it will turn the game into hyper easy
brisk trail
What does godmode do specifically? Like how much tougher does it make zag
thorn marsh
just gives him damage resistance
brisk trail
You know how much?
wise oasis
20% at base
meager ridge
this game is making me just skip dialogue after i'm done reading it before the voice actors can hurry the hell up with their lines
wise oasis
Goes up by 2% every death up to 80%
mint coral
For a while aphro gives more damage resistance that god mode
meager ridge
also is it just me or is dusa annoying as hell
fiery bramble
I got it up to 28% before I got way better and just didn't get hit, then turned it off. Its a good tool to learn the encounters
meager ridge
any tips for the living abortion of a boss battle, hades?
fiery bramble
Take out the skulls when more than two are on the field
meager ridge
Take out the skulls when more than two are on the field
i already do that
fiery bramble
Get divine shield, use damages that weaken him so he doesn't hit as hard
meager ridge
what are the last 2 talents of the mirror of night, and are they useful for hades?
thorn marsh
the last two talents
lost ermine
Tbh I also find myself skipping dialogue, the voice actors really do take their time
thorn marsh
what are the last two talens
fiery bramble
Ares big spinny ultimate thing is good against him too, especially during the big lasers
thorn marsh
dark foresight innit
lost ermine
Fated persuasion/authority is the last one
wise oasis
Authority and pride
thorn marsh
OH RIGHT
floral ledge
voice acting is not bad, though the game gets really slow initially when everyone has to tell you their whole damn life
wise oasis
They don't directly help but they do overall help a lot
thorn marsh
overall they are pretty good
meager ridge
voice acting is not bad, though the game gets really slow initially when everyon...
"my name is theseus and i will slay the bad demon with my super cool super spear of evil smiting with my bull"
lost ermine
Fated persuasion/authority are not directly strong against hades but very good for the whole run
thorn marsh
persuasion is nice because its easier to get builds going
meager ridge
Fated persuasion/authority are not directly strong against hades but very good f...
what do they do
floral ledge
also the chatter is not senseless, there's a lot of built-in stuff, like this:
meager ridge
i'm tired of collecting keys
floral ledge
meager ridge
i still have to collect 10
wise oasis
Buy them from the broker then
lost ermine
Honestly if you're having trouble with beating the game I suggest a long-term strategy of collecting darkness and perhaps leveling keepsakes, it allows you to experiment with different things too
thorn marsh
what do they do
u can reroll boon choices with persuasion and reroll room rewards with authority
lost ermine
It's a roguelite, it comes with the territory
wise oasis
I'd take a breather tbh, sounds like you're really worked up
Reroll is rng sure but it gives you a much better chance of what you want
I had to take a couple breaks trying to get certain runs to work too
meager ridge
people say this game is good for people who don't like roguelikes/roguelites
i disagree honestly
hades is definitely far from goty
it's not a bad game though
floral ledge
nah this is literally for roguelike/lite lovers for sure
IMO it is a really good contender for GOTY
it has amazing storytelling, built in a game where I thought was impossible to do so. Lots of details, very polished game
boreal pier
what
hot wind
Okay yeah what did I return to
chrome wharf
GOTY, like music awards, is less about relative merit of the games and more about an opportunity for companies to plug ads
floral ledge
yeah and NASA is just a small business that shoots rockets
chrome wharf
whether something wins or not is ultimately not that consequential, it's just meant to generate talk, traffic and sales
meager ridge
whether something wins or not is ultimately not that consequential, it's just me...
true
floral ledge
yeah but there's 1 winner and competition is tight, this isn't Eurovision
hot wind
Also I don't normally ever really play roguelikes, Im not a rougelike player yet Ive had more fun on Hades than any other games recently
chrome wharf
there's 1 GOTY winner and a bunch of other categories. Again, aimed to generate traffic and feed into ad revenue
floral ledge
whether its main goal is to attract consumerism or not has nothing to do with the fact that 1 game is selected every year
hot wind
So like its not complete Rng since you can most of the time work well with whatever ya get and if not try again ya know
lost ermine
I don't really get annoyed by Hades rng, you can make a run work even with suboptimal luck
yeah ^
floral ledge
yeah but the other categories, nobody cares about
chrome wharf
the point is, it's pointless to get worked up over whether a game deserves GOTY or not
floral ledge
"soundtrack of the year" lmao, I'll listen to it on spotify and never buy the game
aye that I agree
hot wind
Like just earlier I did my first full win/run
and it was with a random af build of unlucky stuff
chrome wharf
Joke's on you, I got into the Nier games And Hades because of soundtrack
(I am miffed that Ori WotW didn't get the One cat it got nominated for /hypocrisy)
chrome wharf
yeah and NASA is just a small business that shoots rockets
Go read Feynman's book on that time he worked with NASA
whole ridge
I have personally found that the bow is ez mode
chrome wharf
Beaucracy and outward appearances over quality... not unlike most awards nowadays
The 2 camps of first time bow players:
- this is so easy
- this is trash
wise oasis
Started in the trash camp, moved to pogbow camp
lost ermine
I hated bow for the first 2 runs with it and then learned of its greatness
wise oasis
Zag bow is incredibly strong especially for a zag aspect
whole ridge
I mean, I fall into the first. I got rapid fire, twin shot, and Heroic Artemis for damage, I chucked thousand a second or so with my DPS XD
floral ledge
Beaucracy and outward appearances over quality... not unlike most awards nowaday...
That quite sounds like every job I've had
chrome wharf
preach
whole ridge
Hades couldn't even drag me down for a Defiance usage
I personally also find rapid fire much better DPS wise than trying to get the charge shot timing
chrome wharf
Yeah I'm just summarizing what people post about bow
whole ridge
Ye
Seems it. I find it best to not treat it totally like a ranged weapon, just a weapon with ranged capabilities
chrome wharf
on my 2nd bow run ever I beat Champs for the first time and made it to dad
wise oasis
If you can hit power shots consistently flurry shot doesn't feel that great imo
You lose a lot with it
whole ridge
Also first fists clear, got it with the magnet gloves. Boy those things are nice
chrome wharf
Seems it. I find it best to not treat it totally like a ranged weapon, just a w...
yeah that's the consensus with bow.
limber fossil
both are fun until the duo doesnt appear until late elysium/styx
I just had a run where I didn’t even get it up to Theseus and Minotaur where I died :( I didn’t get a good call either
floral ledge
Alright so I have a choice to make now, would be glad to know whether I'm going to miss something: ||Dusa wants to give back all the ambrosia. I'd rather decline, but IDK what's waiting for me next||. What should I do?
chrome wharf
man I need to try Talos. Haven't even used it once
chrome wharf
no story diff. Take that free stuff.
whole ridge
I think he was fearful of not bedding the gorgon? XD
But yeah, I was gonna ask a similar thing too, as I'm bordering close to that instance myself, having filled Dusa's gauge
wise oasis
You'll still be friends for all eternity if you accept the ambrosia back
No difference
whole ridge
Gotcha
void vigil
@ripe rapids again, please keep it clean
whole ridge
Which I guess is handy to accept because 10 Ambrosia is a lot for those that can't just casually do heat 10
ripe rapids
I think he was fearful of not bedding the gorgon? XD
Bruh
wise oasis
Which I guess is handy to accept because 10 Ambrosia is a lot for those that can...
There are all kinds of heat modifiers that don't make the game significantly harder or even noticably so, you can find 10 heat pretty easily I'm sure
whole ridge
Speaking of casually doing a higher heat, I did a 100% increased damage with 400% increased trap/lava damage using the spear as a suicide run with a chance, and ended up winning inexplicably
modern garnet
one secret to talos is that it works really well with rupture
whole ridge
Like, nailed Papa Hades ez
lost ermine
I've been using heightened security the whole time, only recently starting to think it's a bad idea lol
whole ridge
It's pretty ez ye
wise oasis
Is there any reason to use Talos over Demeter aside from variety?
modern garnet
HS is one of the hardest heats
whole ridge
Lava will kill ya in moments if ya don't pay mind, and if I recall poison is affected by trap damage too
wise oasis
Absolutely terrifying for the pots
whole ridge
But yeah, the pots can be scary, which is why I tend to try to clear a gap as soon as he summons them
lost ermine
I was thinking HS was a freebie once you learn to avoid traps and I was just bad but that doesnt seem to be the case... it's just a hard pact
whole ridge
I never had trouble with traps myself xD
void vigil
yeah and its only worth 1 heat, right
whole ridge
Ye
wise oasis
Yep
void vigil
not worth it
mint coral
even if you dont have a problem most of the time, having one just 1 time will really hurt
wise oasis
Not worth getting demolished by a pot imo
modern garnet
Even experienced players don't take HS if they can reasonably avoid it
lost ermine
even if you dont have a problem most of the time, having one just 1 time will re...
Yeah this. It's all sunshine until you get guillotined for 100+ damage
whole ridge
Yeah, that is true. I usually don't anticipate a win when at my skill level I'm going into Hades with just one Defiance
Oh, yeah, I forget about the guillotine. Yeah those'll hurt
I mean, it probably helped me with the run because I also got Aphrodite's damage res
thorn marsh
welp time to play some hades ; - ;
ripe rapids
What’s the dif between 100% more dmg and 1/2 hp
whole ridge
Oh yeah, profanity filter. I forget about that when I start going casually
ripe rapids
🙊
whole ridge
I was saying when I beat the Heat 6 I was a super proud of myself, then I saw the first thingy in the courtyard required 8 heat to unlock and was like "well darn. That sucks."
wise oasis
You got this, 8 heat is just a tight deadline or two away
ripe rapids
Heated irl
mint coral
when i unlocked heat i never did it one at a time, just used the pacts that sounded fun then if it was over my current heat just keep the same setup
wise oasis
Same
whole ridge
I refuse to do Tight Deadline. I'm a slower paced guy with games, and don't like rushing myself too much
wise oasis
I've been just ramping it up
thorn marsh
dont really have to rush urself to do TD at all
wise oasis
Did 25 heat on all weps, while most of them are still at like 10
wise oasis
I refuse to do Tight Deadline. I'm a slower paced guy with games, and don't lik...
Td1 is 36 mins
It's pretty generoud
Generous
whole ridge
I mean I'm slow xD my average run is between 35 and 40
ripe rapids
If I don’t rush I’m just gambling on whether I’ll make a stupid move or not
lost ermine
when i unlocked heat i never did it one at a time, just used the pacts that soun...
I used to ramp up one by one but I'm throwing caution to the winds now, gonna really start pushing my limits
thorn marsh
hades bun bun bun
whole ridge
With tight deadline by the by, does it just straight kill you when time expires?
thorn marsh
no
mint coral
85 hp vs heroes, this is fine
wise oasis
I used to ramp up one by one but I'm throwing caution to the winds now, gonna re...
Em4 hl5 fo2 pog?
thorn marsh
5 damage a tick
mint coral
Em4 hl5 fo2 pog?
dont forget fo2
wise oasis
Ye Im tired I meant fo lmao
whole ridge
Now I wonder what happens when ya clear a floor without a boon with the one that requires sacrificing a boon to progress
mint coral
you just pass iirc
lost ermine
Havent tried fo2 yet but hey how bad can it be 😎
wise oasis
I mean boonless is more of a pain than with boons unless you have shackle
kind swan
What does ||Dusa's Summon|| do?
wise oasis
Shes a friendly gorgon
mint coral
30 damage projectiles and stun enemies iirc?
wise oasis
30 damage projectiles and stun enemies iirc?
70
thorn marsh
Is that the same as a Call?
no
wise oasis
I think dusa has the highest theoretical damage
thorn marsh
its a special keepsake that u get by getting to a certain affinity with certain characters
wise oasis
Single target at least
kind swan
And you can use it once per run at base level
meager ridge
when i beat hades i will never play this game again
ripe rapids
when i beat hades i will never play this game again
‘Beat’
whole ridge
Dusa fires a lot of them. Also seems to home in on peeps
meager ridge
when i kill hades i won't play this game again
kind swan
Why?
wise oasis
Dusa summon is the same as the gorgon's in asphodel except friendly and does so much more damage
whole ridge
So you're quitting at the 10% mark xD
meager ridge
Gotta do it 10 times for actual ending
you've gotta be kidding me
whole ridge
And it actually gets much easier after your first clear
kind swan
I mean, it gets easier since you will have learned his patterns
whole ridge
It's like, it unlocks your ascension hypothetically
wise oasis
Pattern recognition go brr
mint coral
heaven vengeance agaisnt laser enemies looks fun
lost ermine
What summon do you guys use
whole ridge
And yeah, I quit for like, 6 months because I found poison to be bs. Now I can clear Styx ez and only struggle on Hades
mint coral
get caught 2 seconds and your enemy has like 8 thunders falling on them
meager ridge
why in HELL would i need to kill hades 10 times??
thorn marsh
Meg
whole ridge
I use Dusa right now but I rotate with Meg
kind swan
Dusa, since it's the only one I have atm.
thorn marsh
why in HELL would i need to kill hades 10 times??
you'll figure it out once u kill hades the first time
mint coral
meg user too and used for a while
whole ridge
Skelly is kinda trash and I dunno what the other 3 are
kind swan
why in HELL would i need to kill hades 10 times??
It'll make sense once you send him home.
void vigil
i like antos the most, but im currently using shady for the darkness grinding. i also used fidi a little for her fun little quips
wise oasis
I like antos too but meg just does the job better imo
lost ermine
Damn, a lot of Meg users. Never liked her summon much but maybe I should give her another shot
I just use than mainly because big number good
kind swan
Bouldy looks like it would be interesting.
thorn marsh
i use meg because its the best for speedrunning and i dont do anything else LOL
mint coral
i love the reactions of theseus and dad about a rock coming from the sky
wise oasis
Also meg can demolish the witch circle and that's really pog!
ripe rapids
I never even see her in the lounge anymore
whole ridge
I personally prefer Dusa over Meg just because Meg is one burst while Dusa sticks around a second
ripe rapids
I’m always getting Tisphone bs
whole ridge
That is a good use for Meg if ya don't have reflect tho
thorn marsh
meg will still show up in the lounge if u beat tisiphone iirc
ripe rapids
meg will still show up in the lounge if u beat tisiphone iirc
I always do
thorn marsh
just sometimes she doesnt show up
meager ridge
It'll make sense once you send him home.
crap
whole ridge
Yeah, just kinda gotta beat furies for her to show up
Not a guarantee, but usually what procs her
ripe rapids
What happens when you get a god full hearts
ripe rapids
Do you get a summon from them
whole ridge
Ah, so they don't do anything other than the sticker xD
lost ermine
There are only 6 summons in the game
meager ridge
i can't believe i have to kill hades 10 damned times
thorn marsh
u only get a summon from meg achilles sisyphus dusa and skelly
whole ridge
I assume that Chaos is tied to Nyx though if I had to guess
void vigil
have you considered turning on god mode @meager ridge? it gives you 20% damage resistance which goes up by 2% when you die and caps at 80%, and its in the settings
meager ridge
Sticker from my waifu
you have a waifu?
lost ermine
u only get a summon from meg achilles sisyphus dusa and skelly
and than
whole ridge
So I might work on Chaos when I finish up my stuff with Eurydice
ripe rapids
you have a waifu?
If I don’t tell you you can’t steal her
meager ridge
If I don’t tell you you can’t steal her
you disgust me
waifuism "culture" disgusts me
thorn marsh
ok time to play hades seeya
ripe rapids
waifuism "culture" disgusts me
Any askers?
whole ridge
I just gotta work up Eurydice, Boulder guy, and the gods with the Nectar (not counting post-story ones)
mint coral
ok time to play hades seeya
have fun resetting for flurry jab
thorn marsh
have fun resetting for flurry jab
see this time im actually doing hera because I FEEL like playing the game
ripe rapids
see this time im actually doing hera because I FEEL like playing the game
Wait is Hera in the game
lost ermine
hera bow
wise oasis
no
thorn marsh
no its an aspect for the bow
floral ledge
This is what hidden sword feels like xD https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/c/c7/Holy_Moonlight_Sword_Ground_Thrust.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20170907024941
thorn marsh
@mint coral dont gotta reset for flurry and instead reset for pace LOL
plucky latch
Yeah. Hidden Sword is epic
whole ridge
I can complete Skelly's favor to get the rest of his stuff, but I kinda don't wanna dump the Titan Blood yet
thorn marsh
I can complete Skelly's favor to get the rest of his stuff, but I kinda don't wa...
its only 5
wise oasis
also chonk
whole ridge
Yes, I have like 3
thorn marsh
ah
mint coral
fo2 dad just did a "nothing personal kid" dashed behind my back, then spin attack back into hades house
whole ridge
I won't have the spare until after run 10 xD
thorn marsh
fo2 dad just did a "nothing personal kid" dashed behind my back, then spin atta...
Sadge
whole ridge
I sank a ton of mine into Spear and Shield
plucky latch
Yeah. I save FO2 for when Im on Guitsr Hero
whole ridge
Because the spear is my prime with shield secondary
plucky latch
Not for Hades 
whole ridge
I also rather enjoy Beowulf, even if it may not be the best shield
mint coral
is the best tho
wise oasis
Beowulf is best shield lol
mint coral
whole ridge
That is fair
thorn marsh
I also rather enjoy Beowulf, even if it may not be the best shield
it is
ripe rapids
Is Beowulf the best shield
thorn marsh
yep
ripe rapids
Here come the crows
plucky latch
Is beowulf good?
whole ridge
I tend to use Frisbee playstyle with shield xD I'm kinda bad at the dragon fire
mint coral
for speedrun is the best
high heat i think is zeus?
wise oasis
ye
raw herald
Both Zeus and Beowulf are top tier for high heat
Both hard to use, but both have a block
whole ridge
Honestly shields being able to block is a huge advantage
wise oasis
Beowulf is arguably the fastest aspect overall too, most of the seeded runs are beo
raw herald
It's the fastest in anyheat unseeded as well
As well as modded
And in the heat categories as well
mint coral
beo block has more range no?
floral ledge
all 4 shields are top1
signal aspen
beo block has more range no?
Yeah it has big block
signal aspen
its 210 degrees iirc
225 I think
raw herald
beo block has more range no?
Yep, it extends the block to where zag physically holds it
floral ledge
zag's is top 1 dash strike,
zeus is top 1 special,
beo's is top 1 rush,
chaos is top 1 worst aspect in the game
floral ledge
gilga is weird AF, IDK what to think
theoretically it's good because you're meant to dodge, but...
signal aspen
Gilg is the worst aspect in the game imo
whole ridge
I honestly don't like Zeus's style, even if it has a good special, I like watching the shield ping pomg the enemies.
Granted for that I gotta get a lucky hammer for the 4 extra targets
With the fists though, I honestly can't not love the magnet ones
mint coral
play ping-pong with poseidon special
chrome wharf
I found a practical use for cosmetics: a fast way to determine which file I'm on
raw herald
Zeus' special actually does really good damage, unlike the other shield special
floral ledge
im off for the day, vaccine is starting to hit me
wise oasis
second dose?
floral ledge
yep
wise oasis
damn
whole ridge
It does yes, but ping pong is more fun, and can do a ton if ya get the right boons
wise oasis
take some paracetemol, really helped me
floral ledge
i just did
wise oasis
nice