h1-discussion

[small parrot]

I'd play, but I got commission due in 3 days

[hard pawn]

ooh what kinda commission

[small parrot]

The kind that would immediately get flagged here

[polar root]

wow

[hard pawn]

sfm?

[small parrot]

no

pen & paper

[shadow kernel]

Do I play Achilles wrong or does it just struggle to kill bosses more than other speedrun builds

I can clear combat rooms way faster but I lose loads of time on bosses

[small parrot]

Banana Spear

[polar root]

where's banana spear man when you need him

[small parrot]

Depends on your cast and attack I guess?

[hard pawn]

Brad pitt stick girl is here to help

[hard pawn]

what do u define as slow

for bosses

[polar root]

laughs in hunting blades

[hard pawn]

u need nat ares for that

[raw herald]

You need a good cast to do well in bosses

[hard pawn]

not aaaalways

[raw herald]

Hunting blades/ice wine are good

Good as in <40s

[hard pawn]

in lernie and and erinyes

if u have an attack

thats enough

[polar root]

completely forgot erinyes are furies

[hard pawn]

lol

[raw herald]

All you need for the furies is a level 3 dash, according to 185in

[polar root]

I was gonna ask

[hard pawn]

that goes without sayin

uwu

[polar root]

sure

[hard pawn]

?

[polar root]

which uwu

UwU

or

uwu

[hard pawn]

how is that what u were gonna ask

[polar root]

IDK I just forget things

[hard pawn]

uwu is more ironic

UwU is too much effort

[polar root]

lazy gang

[shadow kernel]

Well it doesn’t just instakill boss phases like most speedrun builds do

[small parrot]

[polar root]

beowulf is laughing

[hard pawn]

I mean it can

[knotty bramble]

hELLO

THESEUS BAD

[hard pawn]

ideally u want LP or HB

[polar root]

heyy

[polar root]

indeed

[shadow kernel]

Ig I’m just doing something wrong then

[hard pawn]

whats ur clear times

w achilles

lookin like

and the best one

so far

[shadow kernel]

8:42 I think

[hard pawn]

I started using fo1

[shadow kernel]

I use FO2 lol

[hard pawn]

and its working better than fo2 for bosses

[shadow kernel]

Oh

Hmm

[hard pawn]

yeah

[shadow kernel]

Ig I’ll try that

[hard pawn]

i didnt mean from no fo

lol

u are flurry resetting right

[shadow kernel]

I’m probably not using enough poms on my cast or something

[shadow kernel]

Wdym?

[hard pawn]

flurry jab

in tartarus

u need to reset for that

[shadow kernel]

Yeah

[hard pawn]

I'm guessing u have read the 185 guide

?

[shadow kernel]

I did but I don’t know if i read the whole thing

I was mostly reading the bits about attack boons

It probably is just the cast, in my 8:42 run I had a level 1 true shot as my cast

[hard pawn]

I don't know the hermes boon but if u alr have rush delivery by styx

quick reload?

quick reload w LP on hades

is 30 second hades

lvl 3 LP on theseus is 20-25 seconds

hunting blades can probably beat that time too

[raw herald]

Theseus should take a lot quicker than 20s

[shadow kernel]

I was using infernal should I be using Stygian instead?

[hard pawn]

I am saying the minimums

[raw herald]

No use infernal

[shadow kernel]

Also which one is LP?

[hard pawn]

Lightning phalanx

zeus athena duo

[shadow kernel]

Ohhh

[craggy pumice]

Infernal or Stygian soul with Arthur?

[hard pawn]

if u get nat zeus in

tart

u look for athena or dio cast

if u get nat artemis u look for ares

if u have hmark arty in tart somehow

u can get ares keepsake in aspho

and get hb

[shadow kernel]

How should I spread my poms between dash/attack/cast?

[hard pawn]

dont use on attack

spam it on tidal dash

and like lvl 3 cast

and jolted and hmark depending on build

[raw herald]

Get dash to level 3/4, cast to level 3 if blades, higher if trippy/phalanx, and the rest of the poms go in jolted or mark

Phalanx can go to level 6 ideally

[hard pawn]

dash should be like 6 when ur in hades

[shadow kernel]

Ok

If I get neither natural Zeus or Artemis in Tartarus do I just reset

[hard pawn]

what

no

[shadow kernel]

Oh

[hard pawn]

that will get super boring

for u

both flurry and nat resetting

[raw herald]

You want Zeus/Artemis on attack, don't reset if you get it

[shadow kernel]

What do I do with my cast if I don’t get one of them naturally

[hard pawn]

he said neither inty

[raw herald]

Oh

Then force artemis

[shadow kernel]

What cast do I take though

True shot?

[hard pawn]

no

[shadow kernel]

Or do I force ares in elysium and go for hb

[raw herald]

Slicing shot

Read the guide for keepsakes

[hard pawn]

hb in elysium will be hard to make

w ares there

[raw herald]

Can't remember them off by heart

[hard pawn]

when u force

arty

in aspho

[shadow kernel]

Do I take the duo boon mirror perk

[raw herald]

No

Pride is waaaay better. You want epic Hermes/chaos

[shadow kernel]

Ok

[hard pawn]

u want to get ares in tart, u can also get some random demeter boon to ultimately go for crystal clarity ig... but idk never ran lasers on speedrun might be slow

yeah rush delivery pog

lol

[raw herald]

185in doesn't like beams at all

[hard pawn]

then neither do I

the thing w arty attack is

if u have epic hmark

levelled up

and a good crowd control of some sort

other than dash

u dont rlly need to worry too much abt cast

[shadow kernel]

Ok

[hard pawn]

u can get % from patty

or shops

and u can hourglass if u dont have a cast instead of daddy call

[shadow kernel]

If I get nat Artemis in Tartarus I’m guessing I force ares in asphodel

[hard pawn]

go for it

[knotty bramble]

I never thought I'd be tearing through hell to buy some new carpets but here I am

[hard pawn]

[knotty bramble]

Me finding Sisuphus on my early runs

[craggy pumice]

Should I try hitting all 3 attacks of the Arthur combo on hades?

[small parrot]

Too slow

Better to use dash-strike a lot

[knotty bramble]

Yea the Arthur attacks are pretty slow

which makes sense but still

[cedar nexus]

Why do extreme measures affect heroes much more than furies and lernie

[knotty bramble]

Difficulty spike probably

[hard pawn]

em3 without fo2 and with fo2 are 2 different fights

maybe turn off fo2

[cedar nexus]

I have only em3 turned on

[craggy pumice]

Does parting shot bonus backstab apply to everything or only casts?

[cedar nexus]

Everything iirc

[small parrot]

EM3 is 3 heat on its own.

It's also a 2v1 fight

It's affecting two bosses not just one

So it hits hard

[high island]

Casts only.

[acoustic cedar]

Splitting headache vs strong drink?

[polar root]

strong dronk

[raw herald]

What biome are you in

And what is your source of hangover

[acoustic cedar]

Still lowest level

Hangover is special, using rail

[polar root]

I don't know what splitting headache does

[raw herald]

Strong drink

[polar root]

stronk dronk ezpz

[acoustic cedar]

Alright, thanks

[raw herald]

Fyfi hangover on rail special is not great because you can't get to max stacks quickly, and the special has such a high base damage that a % bonus would be much better

[polar root]

you can try Artemis' special as well

[acoustic cedar]

It's just the first status applicator I found

[polar root]

on rail

[polar root]

priv status

[acoustic cedar]

Yes

[polar root]

makes sense

[acoustic cedar]

Go jolted on attack and anything else on whatever else I get

[polar root]

40% dmg

sure

[raw herald]

Priv status isn't worth taking sub-optimal boons

25% damage all of the time is better than 40% some of the time, and with FF you get to take good boons

[acoustic cedar]

FF?

[signal aspen]

family favorite

[polar root]

right

I didn't know that

[acoustic cedar]

What statuses are good on rail? Jolted is, weak probably, but what else?

[wise oasis]

zeus is really good on rail primary, so jolted goes great with it

[polar root]

eris rail is pretty good for jolted

I think

[wise oasis]

Poseidon dash is great too, so razor shoals too (if you're going for privileged status)

[acoustic cedar]

Eris is the one where you stand in your explosion, right? I like that one

Poseidon dash, got it

[wise oasis]

yeah

[polar root]

mhm

[wise oasis]

it is

[polar root]

yes

[acoustic cedar]

Chilled any good ever?

[wise oasis]

nothing wrong with slow imo, easier to read some wind ups and gives you more time to move

very noticeable on asterius

[polar root]

its a pretty good % boon

[wise oasis]

aphro on special is nice too, massive percents and weak

[polar root]

yeah heroic attack aphro, hestia player's dream

[brisk trail]

is arthur viable at high heat

trying it for the firsttime now, it's really really slow

[raw herald]

Not really, it struggles with FO and DC

[polar root]

damage control and forced overtime

dmg control is big bad for arthur

[raw herald]

Still doable, but it's horrific

[polar root]

arthur is fine till like 20 heat imo

after your options go down

at 32

iss big bad

[wise oasis]

works good for lower heats imo if you're ok with a slow attack

shadow slash on it makes the slow attack pay off

[polar root]

chonk dmg, completely worth

[wise oasis]

got 4960 damage with it once, immediately got thesues to his second phase

[polar root]

arthur surely likes his sword

imagine that with hades keepsake

[wise oasis]

you can use hades small call between the swings, its nice

[brisk trail]

jesus christ charon hits like a whale

[acoustic cedar]

My butterfly is at +28, but I wasted 1 of my defiances on Theseus. Should I switch to skelly?

[shadow kernel]

Nope

[raw herald]

If you switch to skelly, you'll lose the butterfly bonus. Are you in danger of losing the run?

[acoustic cedar]

I still haven't managed to beat a run. ||Hades|| is tough

[raw herald]

Switch to skelly then

[shadow kernel]

Do you have 2 DDs left

[raw herald]

Or acorn if you have it

[acoustic cedar]

Get to ||second phase|| then always lose

[shadow kernel]

Which weapon are you using and how many death defiances do you have left

[acoustic cedar]

Didn't think of acorn, I should level it up

I'm using Rail, have 1 dd left

[shadow kernel]

What’s your max hp?

[acoustic cedar]

150

[shadow kernel]

Hmm

I’d say go skelly

But definitely upgrade your acorn, it’s super good for beating hades

[wise oasis]

What level is your tooth?

[acoustic cedar]

3

[wise oasis]

Probably tooth then, they'll let you tank around the same I think

With extra invincibility from dd

[shadow kernel]

Acorn is particularly good later on when you experiment with heat

[acoustic cedar]

I need to unlock heat first lol

[raw herald]

And then tooth becomes better eventually lol

[wise oasis]

I think with 100 HP from tooth he'll get more out of that than 3 hits at 0 heat

[acoustic cedar]

I'll switch to tooth then for now, and also hope that I find a death defiance recovery in one of the hallways

[wise oasis]

Athena can give dd if you've gotten her

[acoustic cedar]

Her trinket?

[wise oasis]

Her boons

[shadow kernel]

Don’t use her keepsake

Not worth it

Just take skelly’s for now

[wise oasis]

It also doesn't work in styx

[shadow kernel]

Then do a few runs to level up acorn

[acoustic cedar]

good plan

thanks

[wise oasis]

Good luck gamer

[shadow kernel]

^

[urban pasture]

have there been any announcements about the xbox & playstation versions of the game having any unique/additional content? i am hungry for more

[raw herald]

Basically no chance of extra content being exclusive to console versions

[craggy pumice]

It won’t

Supergiant aren’t like that

[urban pasture]

cool - just wondering if the xbox & playstation release was going to coincide with some kind of content patch / etc

can't wait to smoke this on 4k on my ps5

[manic bobcat]

can i gift hades digitally to a friend who owns a PS5?

[acoustic cedar]

What is worth buying from charon's final shop? 500g hermes, 2 300g poms. I have 600g and might get more in the wings

[manic bobcat]

it depends on what you have currently?

[acoustic cedar]

Also a centaur heart

[manic bobcat]

you can post a screenshot if you embed the link

[high island]

Nah, Excalibur is one of the best for an easy 32 win.

[high island]

If you're asking for help with high heat, you should ask in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[acoustic cedar]

https://i.vgy.me/uaEevA.png

I want to save 200 for now in case I find a dd restore

[high island]

Buy the boon from Lord Hermes.

Ideally, you get Greatest Reflex.

[raw herald]

Are those attack jerkys?

[acoustic cedar]

Swift Flourish, Quick Recovery, or Greater Haste, no reflex, all rare

Yeah, the one from Petrocles, and one I bought by accident from a well lol

[high island]

Flourish and Haste are both fine.

[acoustic cedar]

Flourish then, since rail special is good

[high island]

Buy double pom and hopefully get it on Static Discharge .

[acoustic cedar]

Should I wait for after the wings, to see if there's a dd restore?

[raw herald]

Have you found the sack?

[acoustic cedar]

Not yet

Haven't gone into the wings yet

[high island]

I wouldn't. 2 DDs are plenty.

[acoustic cedar]

Alright

[shadow kernel]

Hermes

[acoustic cedar]

Yay got it on static discharge

[shadow kernel]

Hermes has the best boons in the game

[high island]

Woo~!

[acoustic cedar]

Wings time

[high island]

When you have the money, buy the Centaur Heart.

What are the tunnels?

[acoustic cedar]

https://i.vgy.me/iyfHKg.png

[raw herald]

Gold first, then health

[shadow kernel]

^

[raw herald]

Is this your first time in Styx?

[high island]

Why? Take HP first.

[acoustic cedar]

3rd or 4th time, haven't tried the miniboss routes yet

[high island]

More HP helps get through the other tunnels.

[raw herald]

Miniboss routes are better because you get better rewards, they take less time, and they are easier imo

Idk I usually take health last

[high island]

That Centaur Heart will give you +50 max HP.

[shadow kernel]

Fighting 1 mini boss is much easier as a new player than fighting 5 satyrs with no divine dash

[high island]

That's better for high heat with LC4 and SD.

[acoustic cedar]

Yeah that makes sense, I thought the miniboss was like buffed satyr

[shadow kernel]

It depends

[acoustic cedar]

health it is

[shadow kernel]

There are multiple which can appear

Buffed versions of each of the enemies you find in Styx

Let’s pray he doesn’t fight the vermin

[high island]

Make sure you stay close to the curing pools in the miniboss fights. You can pause the game at any time when things get chaotic to figure out where you need to go to cure poison.

[acoustic cedar]

Just a giant bomb guy

[shadow kernel]

Nice

That’s the easiest one

[high island]

Easy peasy.

[acoustic cedar]

Now gold you said?

[shadow kernel]

2 sack??

200

Yep

And buy Hermes if you have enough

[acoustic cedar]

Already got hermes

[shadow kernel]

Oh neat

What else is in the shop still?

[high island]

Double pom, Centaur Heart, and Lady Demeter.

[acoustic cedar]

double pom, centaur heart, demeter

[shadow kernel]

Ah

[high island]

You want the Double Pom and the Centaur Heart.

[shadow kernel]

If I were you I’d prioritise the heart and then the pom if you still have enough money

[acoustic cedar]

Is prometheus stone worth it at this point?

[shadow kernel]

Nah

[raw herald]

Not really

[acoustic cedar]

alright

Got the sack

[shadow kernel]

Niiice

[acoustic cedar]

So pom and heart?

[shadow kernel]

Yep

Time for dad

GL

[high island]

Yeah. Boon would be good if you can get the Call, but the odds for the others are better.

[acoustic cedar]

level 3 true shot or level 5 static discharge? Or level 3 snow burst but that seems kinda meh

[high island]

Static Discharge.

[acoustic cedar]

Just not enough for the boon

I did it

I had 30 hp left on my last chance

[shadow kernel]

Yay!

Congrats dude

[signal aspen]

Nice

[acoustic cedar]

Thanks, now to see how he falls back to hell lol

[high island]

Congratulations~!

[lone kernel]

@ devs petition to put zagreus in smash bros

[acoustic cedar]

Yeah that makes sense, poor zagreus

[shadow kernel]

I’d be down

All the dlcs so far have been extremely cringe

Except for sephiroth

We love sephiroth

[lone kernel]

This is the budding boomer in me talking but who are like, literally every dlc character except sephiroth

[acoustic cedar]

I like Banjo Kazooie

I just wish they would remaster their games on switch or something

[shadow kernel]

Piranha plant, joker, terry, hero, banjo, Byleth, min min, Steve, sephiroth, pyra and mythra, kazuya

Kazuya is so cringe dude

He has true 0-death combos on every character in the game

[lone kernel]

owned by Microsoft now 😦

[shadow kernel]

And his moves all have intangibility or super armour

[lone kernel]

ok of those i know: plant, byleth, sephiroth

[shadow kernel]

For no reason

[acoustic cedar]

Yeah too bad they don't do anything with the rare ips

[lone kernel]

thats it lol

[acoustic cedar]

Rare as a company has been dead for quite a long time, since all the talent left. I hope somebody buys the IPs though

[lone kernel]

i took like a ten year break from gaming once starting college and got back into it in quarantine

[shadow kernel]

I mained terry for ages but he’s so annoying to fight

[lone kernel]

so im out of the loop

[shadow kernel]

10 year break from gaming

What

[lone kernel]

yeah, i regret some of my choices lol

i learned what discord was in january of this year

[shadow kernel]

Oh wow

I wish I had that much discipline

[lone kernel]

and im 30, im not even a real boomer

yeah my "9 to 5" job out of school was more of a 9 to...9 the next morning kinda situation

[tall agate]

Guys, I have problem with "Champion of Elysium" achievement. I did clear run with this pact, but didn't get achievement. Anyone know why? Do I need to do it on higher Extreme Meaurments level?

[lone kernel]

work 100 hour weeks

[signal aspen]

you need to kill theseus on em3

[lone kernel]

did u use EM3?

[shadow kernel]

Oh my god

Is that even legal?

[tall agate]

No 1, achievement description didn't say anything about 3.

At least I know its not bugged.

[shadow kernel]

You need em3 for the achievement

[tall agate]

Ok

[shadow kernel]

Because that’s the one which buffs Theseus

[tall agate]

Got it

[lone kernel]

salaried corporate douchebag

in a toxic ass environment

[acoustic cedar]

high confidence or thick skin? I've been using high confidence but I could switch

[shadow kernel]

I use thick skin, extra 50 hp is really helpful

[shadow kernel]

Damn

Isn’t there a limit to how many hours people are allowed to work?

[lone kernel]

high confidence for speedruns and when youre feeling bold, but thick skin is a REALLY nice safety net

[lone kernel]

theoretically

[acoustic cedar]

divine dash vs phalanx shot? Both are really good it seems

[high island]

Dash.

[craggy pumice]

If I go to 32 heat and somehow get a win, does that mean if I go to something like 20 heat ( which I have never won at), I won’t get the bounties?

[high island]

What's the next Heat you gotta do for bounties? If you go above that, you'll get the bounties from that Heat.

[craggy pumice]

For shield it’s 11

[high island]

Yeah. So if you win at 32 Heat, you'll get all the bounties from 11 Heat.

[craggy pumice]

Ooh

[high island]

And then you have to go to 12 Heat or higher for your next bounties.

[craggy pumice]

That’s a lot of blood

Oh I read that wrong

I thought all the bounties from 11-32 heat combined :(

[high island]

lol yup you did read that wrong.

[crude surge]

Bounties end at 20

[craggy pumice]

Oh

[crude surge]

25 on hell mode

[craggy pumice]

So max blood from bosses is 300?

[crude surge]

240

I think

[high island]

You forgot 0 Heat bounties.

[craggy pumice]

25 x 6 = 150 (for each weapon) 150 x 2 = 300

[crude surge]

On hell mode you start with 5

[high island]

Hell mode starts at 5.

You get the same number of bounties.

[craggy pumice]

Ah ok

Also when should I use battie against hades?

[high island]

Immediately.

[craggy pumice]

Is battie the best cast for killing bosses faster consistently?

There’s the thano one but it’s super slow

[high island]

Summon, not Cast; and yes.

[crude surge]

Unless it’s against Meg

[shadow kernel]

Why isn’t antos good

I’ve never used it but it seems ok tbh

[high island]

Antos is good. But Meg is #1 for speed, plain and simple.

[craggy pumice]

Is hyper sprint worth it?

On 0.5 seconds I feel it might as well not be there

[high island]

Yeah.

Hyper Sprint is amazing on its own, and somewhat broken if you can also get Rush Delivery.

[shadow kernel]

Absolutely

[snow flame]

Without any spoilers, can someone suggest what I might be missing? I seem to be unable to progress characters' stories despite having maxed out their hearts (up until the "locked heart" stage) and having no new conversations. Achilles for example says nothing new, has locked heart, and ||his soul mate is the same (no new convo, maxed nectars)||. What am I missing?

[high island]

It's not like you have any control over whether you get the dialogues right there or another time.

[wet frigate]

I completed my first bow run

[high island]

Just do more runs and keep talking to people etc.

[snow flame]

Alright, thanks. Similar issue with Orpheus, who despite not being maxed on nectars won't offer me the option to give him more.

[wet frigate]

I got rlly lucky hammers on this run tho
Relentless Volley AND concentrated volley for chiron bow

Pew pew

[snow flame]

Nice 😮

[chrome wharf]

you also need a few hearts with Nyx iirc

[snow flame]

Oh thank you, I've been neglecting her a bit

[high island]

Blasphemy.

[snow flame]

I blame the game having too many likeable characters, I'm spreading myself too thin

[chrome wharf]

she needs 5 according to the Wiki

[brisk trail]

i hate how i wanna trade my nectar at the wretched broker, but i just really wanna give it to the characters

the game has an incredible cast

[snow flame]

agreed

[high island]

Just gift it to the characters now. You can trade in all of it later.

[wet frigate]

I always keep at least 10 nectar on my person at all times

[acoustic cedar]

How should I prioritize spending diamonds?

[chrome wharf]

on the work orders

[acoustic cedar]

Right, but which ones first?

[high island]

Whichever ones you think sound fun.

[brisk trail]

be careful about spending on erebus gates

you need to crank the heat in order to access them

[high island]

Erebus is fun.

There's no right or wrong answer, really, and you'll get enough Diamonds to buy everything, eventually.

Every one option on its own only has a relatively minor impact.

[acoustic cedar]

fated keys seems really good

[snow flame]

is Dark Thirst a work order? That one is pretty nice for me partly because the mirror requires so much grinding to max out, but also since it helps me decide what weapon to run with for each new run if I'm not set on anything special

[signal aspen]

dark thirst isnt a work order but darker thirst is a work order

darker thirst makes your weapon with dark thirst earn 20% more gemstones

[high island]

What about dark thirster?

[signal aspen]

hades dlc

coming out next year

[high island]

Cool.

[acoustic cedar]

Ooh yay more content

[high island]

Muck was joking, if that wasn't clear.

[signal aspen]

i never make jokes

[high island]

Ahahahahaha.

[acoustic cedar]

Are rewards ever different from normal at different heat levels?

[signal aspen]

no

[chrome wharf]

no it's the same set

[acoustic cedar]

weird that they hide them

[shadow kernel]

While dlc would be really cool I feel like the game is already perfect and adding content could only really do harm

Like

What if they release dlc and it isn’t that good

It would taint the game

Ruin its perfection

[steep bobcat]

Idk if more content would hurt

However

The game already has over 80 hours of content

You can tell that supergiant gave it their all when making the game

[shrewd latch]

Hi there, I'm an ''experienced'' player and I want to say to the people of supergiant games thank you very much for creating Hades, it is one of my favorite games and I love that when I play it I do not get bored, I look forward to Zagreo to take some drinks with the Gods (I already beat Hades 3 times :), I want to continue discovering what secrets Hades hides and what Persephone tells me)
I am Argentine and my English is not perfect, I hope you read it 🙂

[mint coral]

skipped all of em4 dad 2nd phase
no cerb summon for you

[turbid quest]

buff heroes are so fun to fight

[acoustic field]

I'm sorry if I'm interupting, but I was wondering if anyone else has this issue. For the darkness bonus on weapons it pretty much just cycles between the bow, spear, and sword for me. I'm still at a stage where the darkness bonus is helpful, but I also want to play with the other weapons equally. Is there any way to fix this?

[turbid quest]

i noticed that you dont get the darkness bonus on one weapon you just ended a run with

so if you use the shield, with the bonus (or without it), the shield will NOT have the bonus next time you choose it

thats... the only "pattern" i noticed

[acoustic field]

Yeah, I noticeed that too. The thing is that I only choose the weapons with the darkness bonus

[turbid quest]

i thought you did but i wanted to mention

i honestly dont know why is the thing happening

[acoustic field]

Yeah, thank you for asking. It's important to have all the information with this kind of thing

Rip, it's all good though. Thank you for listening to what I had to say

[turbid quest]

people here are helpful so if you wait, then you will likely get an answer (unless this thing is a glitch/MASSIVE unluck)

[acoustic field]

Yeah, I'll keep an eye out for the rest of today

Everytime I've had something come up there's always been someone with some insight, or at least someone I can comiserate with.

[signal aspen]

Dark thirst be like that sometimes

I don't think it's a glitch

[acoustic field]

Bummer

[celest shell]

I'm getting better at fighting Hades! I'm slowly figuring out his patterns

[turbid quest]

nice, good luck

[celest shell]

My next challenge is putting the game down so I can work

[acoustic field]

That's a mood

[steep elm]

y'all ever just get heart rend as your third boon

[modern garnet]

early duos really define a run

the one you really want is exclusive access in tart

[acoustic cedar]

Is skelly's quest worth the 5 titans bloods?

[manic bobcat]

||yesn't||

[lone kernel]

I just got a zeus legendary in Tartarus and still blew it…. Ugh

[tender oyster]

someone said there is a Hades fight where there is no fight?

like he just lets you pass?

[south lagoon]

yes after a certain number of wins

just one time

[tender oyster]

any idea what # that is?

I think im on #7 or 8?

[south lagoon]

i think it's 10 but take that with a grain of salt

[plucky latch]

After your 9th win I think. The 10th clear is no fight.

[acoustic cedar]

Cursed slash is so good wow

Cursed slash and attack speed ups let me tank hades completely

[tender oyster]

took me 50 minutes but i beat hades for the 9th time this one was with heat 3

[acoustic cedar]

What are these Erebus Gateway things I can unlock?

[tender oyster]

I havent gotten to go in one yet but I have them unlocked it looks like an extra portal in zones like a chaos gate in the floor but it requires like 5 heat minimum to go in

[robust scaffold]

5 10 15 yea

[acoustic cedar]

Huh, interesting

So like a better chaos gate with rares or something?

[void vigil]

you have to clear them without getting hit or you get an which heals 1 hp

[robust scaffold]

hit

[acoustic cedar]

That sounds pretty useless unless they have some major rewards

[void vigil]

hit, thank you lol

[robust scaffold]

for resource rewards its double

[tender oyster]

theres info on the wiki online

[robust scaffold]

and i think its the same rarity as miniboss rooms

yea

[tender oyster]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Infernal_Gate

[robust scaffold]

could do that too

[void vigil]

its always fine to ask here, thats what this server is for among other things

[acoustic cedar]

Are they even worth it? They seem tough, although double poms are good

[mint coral]

depend on the enemies spawning but most of the time, ye

[tender oyster]

agreed that sometimes the actual real experience people have is more helpful than the info on the wiki

[acoustic cedar]

It's either no reward and essentially lose a chamber or get decent rewards

[mint coral]

infernal gates are fun until butterfly ball spawns

[acoustic cedar]

Oh god they can spawn in there

Disgusting

[void vigil]

i usually only take them in tartarus, because i know i can clear them confidently there

[robust scaffold]

yea its best to take them early

[mint coral]

i take them if the reward is tempting/door rewards are thing i dont want

[robust scaffold]

elysium is too hard

[acoustic cedar]

Oh they tell you the reward? That's not bad then

[mint coral]

a double pom with cast build early is satisfying

[wide mauve]

Hello..

Ive been wondering when will supergiant games will have a sale i would really want hades! But i cant afford it lol

[void vigil]

the next big steam sale is the halloween sale, which is about 12 weeks from now. maybe there will be a sale sooner! also hades is coming to gamepass on the 13th.

[wide mauve]

Thankyou! I appreciate it

Damn this game looks sick

[frigid thistle]

Im so sad

I got to Hades and then got clapped

Why he even got a second phase bro, I got slapped so hard because this dude spinning like a beyblade

[short glen]

Yeah... only two phases...

[frigid thistle]

ayo

he better not have a 3rd phase

nah g

im searching that up

im not dealing with a 3 phase boss

[short glen]

He does and doesn't

If you've not beaten him at all yet he 100% has only two

[frigid thistle]

ight

i managed to get to him and then got slapped at the start of his second phase

[plucky latch]

Like father, like son

[celest shell]

I like his second phase more than his first

[acoustic cedar]

Oh does ||The boss heat thingy|| add more phases?

[celest shell]

He doesn't disappear in his second

[south lagoon]

||yes, EM1-3 change the bosses without adding new phases, but in EM4 Hades gets a third phase||

[wide mauve]

Hi guys! Im wondering do you progress when you die in hades? For example you die in a new area. Do you spawn back to that area again when you die or you restart from the vert first area?

[plucky latch]

Restart

[celest shell]

The way you progress is by upgrading skills and such

[soft echo]

Does Explosive Return scale with Special boons?

[lilac swift]

omg Hades's Aid make you invulnerable

my Hazard Bomb + Eris Rail dream is alive

oh my god we can make a nuke!

[rapid forum]

So I am doing a beo dem

With priv status

I somehow forgot

I put it to priv status

Prob mid way to elysium I was like damn my dps is real crap

Then I got to boss

And was like ooooooh

I got priv status

[mint coral]

Fun

[river vigil]

bruh

[high island]

So I am doing a beo dem
Prob mid way to elysium I was like damn my dps is real crap
Checks out.

[rapid forum]

Kek

[crude surge]

[celest shell]

So far it looks like from favorite to least weapons seems to be
Fists
Shield
Spear
Bow
Gun
Sword

I don't like the feel of the gun and the sword feels like a lesser version of the spear or shield

[stoic flame]

sword worse than spear?

🚶‍♂️

[brisk trail]

yes.

[shadow kernel]

yep

[polar root]

Achilles spear is madness

even tho I love using nemesis sword

[thorn marsh]

A B S O L U T E L Y

[polar root]

B A N A N A man to the rescue

[thorn marsh]

DONT FEAR

BANANA MAN IS HERE

[polar root]

thanks for saving us B A N A N A man

[thorn marsh]

NO PROBLEM

now back into my cave of guilty gear strive

[polar root]

big sadge

[thorn marsh]

[polar root]

😦

too cute tho

[stoic flame]

except achilles spear cmon

[cedar nexus]

Brad Pitt

[high island]

Brad Pitt.

[thorn marsh]

Brad Pitt.

[wise oasis]

Brad Pitt.

[stoic flame]

braddley chasm

[rapid forum]

Pit of Brads

[polar root]

The Pit Of Brads.

[soft echo]

Brad Pitt.

[crude surge]

Brad Pitt.

sword cring

[polar root]

Nemesis is crying 😦

[crude surge]

the sword is my nemesis

[small parrot]

How many Brads would that even need?

[shadow kernel]

When does hades come out on PlayStation and Xbox?

[remote void]

It comes out on Xbox on the 10th iirc

Not sure about PS though

[raw herald]

13th

[polar root]

How do people get fully loaded so easily?

I never get it

I got it like once

[tepid plover]

You praise rng'esus

Or well the fates in this case

[remote void]

But like actually

Any sort of upgrade is RNG

[polar root]

rng hates me

I had insane rng a few days ago

[tepid plover]

Thats how it be

[polar root]

no more luck for me 😦

[remote void]

Just get the hammers in Tartarus and Elysium and hope

[polar root]

lets hope so yes

[tepid plover]

Anvil for increased chances 👍

[remote void]

Was about to say that too

Although if you already have fully loaded and get the anvil it could take it away

[tepid plover]

Well yeah i was saying if you really wanted it and didn't have it

Anvil gives 2 upgrades

Still rng tho

[polar root]

Maybe Lady Artemis doesn't like beowulf

[remote void]

Yeah

[tepid plover]

Lady artemis doesn't like anyone

Except zag and callisto

[polar root]

I simp Lady Artemis

[remote void]

Wait, can Fated Authority roll Hammers for rooms?

[polar root]

think so

nonono swearing here

[remote void]

Okay, language filter is really low then

Got it 👍

[tepid plover]

You can roll hammers into boons, but not boons into hammers iirc

[polar root]

I feel like fated persuation is better still

[remote void]

Why would you want to roll a hammer into a boon?

[tepid plover]

Cause you dont need any hammers?

[polar root]

Laughs in Hera

[remote void]

I mean

[raw herald]

Fully loaded is really hard to get tbh

[polar root]

too long

[remote void]

You don't really need any upgrade to get a clear

[polar root]

thanks for the fully loaded in styx Artemis

[tepid plover]

Hey at least she gave it to you

[tepid plover]

Exactly

[polar root]

well, thanks Artemis I love you. 🙂

[remote void]

I'll still take the upgrades if available though

[polar root]

@raw herald I need help

[tepid plover]

Well thats the the optimal choice, just saying there might be a scenario where a hammer might ruin your build, so you swap it to a boon

[polar root]

I want to do a boonless run

which weapon?

[tepid plover]

Eris

[polar root]

serrated point

xd

I hate it personally

[tepid plover]

I love that one

[remote void]

Granted I rarely use anything other than the spear, but I'm assuming you mean challenge runs or something

[tepid plover]

No I mean in general

[remote void]

Oop, sorry for the ping. Forgot to uncheck it

[tepid plover]

Doesn't have to be a challenge

Is all good

[polar root]

the dash decrease 😦

[tepid plover]

But the dps increase

[raw herald]

Do Hestia, it's the easiest imo

[tepid plover]

It all depends on the build

[polar root]

if it like decreased dmg instead i'd pick it

[polar root]

ah yes. I was thinking about it

hestia bestia indeed

does chaos count as a boon?

[tepid plover]

I hate hestia with passion

[remote void]

I mean, if you aren't dashing around everywhere how are you moving?

[raw herald]

Aspects with good attack hammers and/or innate crits are really good for boonless

[tepid plover]

Is your zag crippled and can't walk?

[polar root]

I haven't got ricochet shot in a while

[remote void]

The way I play, yes.

[raw herald]

Why would you walk when you could dash

[polar root]

facts

[tepid plover]

Nice

I just answered the question

[polar root]

you think zeus attack on lucifer would work?

[wise oasis]

Zeus on luci is very good

[polar root]

just get eternal chamber I guess

[wise oasis]

I don't like eternal personally, really cripples the damage with the loss of the ramping

[stoic flame]

i only use eternal chamber with dire misfortune

[wise oasis]

same, only if most of my damage comes from the not laser otherwise it's pretty bad

[polar root]

can you get impending doom with dire misfortune?

[raw herald]

Yes

[polar root]

oh that's cool

even though I haven't actually tried dire misfortune before

[little dragon]

playing on heats youve already cleared is a great way to earn darkness

[polar root]

mhm

[little dragon]

like 500-700 per run even

[polar root]

get chaos boons

which make a MASSIVE difference

like 150% extra darkness and gems

[little dragon]

tfw i passed a chaos room for a darkness one

😔

[polar root]

😦

its fine tho

youll get one eventually

[wise oasis]

Poseidon too, gives 50-60% more

[polar root]

yeah ocean's bounty

i was gonna say

[little dragon]

so posy keepsake and take every chaos

[polar root]

just that I never had to farm darkness

[polar root]

mhm

and maybe just pick chaos keepsake in asphodel or elysium

[wise oasis]

With the right boons you can get this much from hades alone

[polar root]

it's insane

[little dragon]

pretty weird that key rooms give you dice based on what mirror dice you start with

right now im just trying to get another reroll

[polar root]

all dem keys!

[little dragon]

this is pretty much the first run i took a god keepsake going into ely

instead of a defensive one

using zag rail, hoping to get zues to replace my rare hangover attack pomed 5 times

to synergize with epic jolted boon

[polar root]

keep zeus keepsake first

[proven latch]

hey guys, i was ready for a fight to the death with hades and i skipped his dialogue. he then just gave me titan blood and now i can leave his room without fighting him

anyone knows what he said?

[polar root]

he just says go

"before I change my mind"

[proven latch]

gotcha, thanks

[high island]

You got the ending.

There's an epilogue.

[proven latch]

👍

hey, a question

the family painting they got depicts Zagreus with his lance

is it because i've just done the ending with a lance-run, or is it always like that?

[little dragon]

thats not zags lance

its his fathers

hell comment on that if you look at the paining in between runs

it would certainly be cool if there were 6 painting variations that changed each run

[proven latch]

thanks

[chrome wharf]

https://youtu.be/2rFetJB0rnU
54:00 has the part you skipped

[proven latch]

❤️ 👌

[sick ridge]

Does Eurydice’s refreshing nectar increase chance of getting duos?

Or legendaries?

[thorn marsh]

yeah

[sick ridge]

Cursed slash good or bad?

[vapid narwhal]

it's a bait in general but if you absolutely need the extra survival and has a good amount of base HP to take the hit, maaaaaaybe

but 99% of the times no

like if you are at Styx with no DDs but over 300 HP, and got it from a hammer in the shop, that's not a bad pick

but early on? No

[high island]

Cursed Slash has helped a lot of players get their first win.

[vapid narwhal]

yeah that's a big use

[narrow hemlock]

"99% of the time" is definitely a huge exaggeration, i dont think its as bad as a lot of people like to make it out to be

taking it definitely depends on what kind of run youre going for but i disagree that its bait, its just more situational

[manic bobcat]

Good when you start learning the game.
Bad when you know what you are doing.

[high island]

Ironically, it gets better again the better you are with sword.

[brisk trail]

i made it to the credits!

the va for zag is the same as skelly

what

[high island]

And also Orpheus's singing voice.

[celest shell]

I found the most worthless boon

I bought Dionysus right before fighting Hades and was offered Strong Drink

[high island]

Still better than Peer Pressure.

[fiery lynx]

there's a pog rock in asphodel.

[signal aspen]

go back in the tunnel and drink from the well again

[celest shell]

I've gotten only 2 legendary boons and both times it was the fishing one

[signal aspen]

nice

[celest shell]

It was funny to catch a regular ass Trout tho

[manic bobcat]

How is it better?

[high island]

Better sword players are better at using the lifesteal.

[grand escarp]

so can someone explain the hypnos love? there's been several times i've been scrolling through the hades fanart hashtag and found extremely horny art of him. why do people find the weird goblin man sexy?

[high island]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Attraction isn't something people think through, they just feel it.

[modern garnet]

People just wanna chill

[celest shell]

I wanna hug him

He's cute

[storm fox]

I've seen cool art of the king talksalot

The guy doesn't deserve that

[brisk trail]

he is 1 sleepy boi

what's not to love

[remote void]

So I noticed that the cross-save options on Steam aren't there anymore. Is there a reason for that?

Just wondering since my most recent progress isn't showing up on Steam

[chrome wharf]

got my first TDL death

[celest shell]

Gotta go fast

[remote void]

Just realized my accounts weren't linked

[proven latch]

"Vanquish 'Extreme Measures' Theseus, then seek Poseidon":
I've vanquished the upgraded Theseus, but then the next floor didn't give me a poseidon boon.
do i need to do both things in the same run?

[void vigil]

no

[proven latch]

gooood, thanks

[turbid quest]

malphon fists with... zeus' attack are pretty damn strong

[brisk trail]

oh my god i hate world splitter

takes all the fun out of blade

[umbral kayak]

are there more content/balancing update in the future?

[thorn marsh]

game's finished according to the devs so most likely no

[umbral kayak]

thats a shame, but at least the next game will come out in the future

[rich acorn]

Is that the one big hit one?

[brisk trail]

yep

[umbral kayak]

I like critting with the world splitter

[rich acorn]

That ones definitely weird, considering that the blades play style revolves around combos

[rich acorn]

^^^^^^^

[brisk trail]

5 tunnel sack

:(

[boreal pier]

ima bit slow

whats the shard next to the health & how do i use it

[thorn marsh]

its called ur cast

and u use it for damage or boiling blood

[boreal pier]

ohh

[thorn marsh]

it can finish off those small enemies in the back half of the room if u get a good buff o it

[boreal pier]

ahh i see

how do i use it

[thorn marsh]

check ur controls

[boreal pier]

oh okay thank u

[remote void]

Uuuuh

Okay so I was doing a 6 heat run, since that's the most I should be doing right now

And uh

||Hades just let me off the hook||

[chrome wharf]

||it's your 10th success right||

[remote void]

Uuh maybe?

Not sure tbh

[chrome wharf]

it's a story thing. keep going.

[remote void]

I'll need to check afterward

[chrome wharf]

check the Greece codex since you get one after every win

[remote void]

It just got finished so it must be

[chrome wharf]

yeah it is

keep going

[lime echo]

Can you get a dual boons room in a chaos gate?

[chrome wharf]

I've never seen one

[remote void]

Holy hell

[chrome wharf]

:)

[remote void]

||Wasn't really expecting the credits||

[chrome wharf]

:)

[mint coral]

decided to use anvil for the funny and changed from twin shot to triple shot + explosive shot

[remote void]

Huh

Well that's the Anvil for you

[stuck sundial]

is lucifer w/athena's strike supposed to afect the beam with deflect?

[umbral kayak]

it worked for me

the laser deflect projectiles

[stuck sundial]

because i have "triple beam" and enemy projectiles are just ignoring the beams

the only part that is reflecting stuff is the bright glow at the start of the beam

[raw herald]

I think it's just the end of the beam that deflects, not sure though

[signal aspen]

The tip of the gun deflects things

[high island]

@stuck sundial that's how it's supposed to work.

[short glen]

I have no proof of this but I am 100% certain the tip of the beam does NOT always deflect projectiles. Most notably because I've watched projectiles go down the beam to hit me which just looks wrong

[paper harness]

is there an optimal way to farm titan bloods and/or darkness?

[mint coral]

Grab your best weapon, play heat
Get titan blood

[small parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/183260274093064193/873748460237639750/20210807182417_1.jpg

Oh God, my chest

swoons

[mint coral]

front facing than is so funny for some reason

[glass geyser]

Is it just me or is Rail the worst weapon??

I can use all the other weapons, but the only way the Rail works is with lightning + support fire.

Maybe I'm just bad lol

[modern garnet]

Never tried a special build?

[glass geyser]

WDYM

[modern garnet]

Make a build around using the rail's special attack, the mortar

[glass geyser]

Oh

No I haven't

Should I?

[modern garnet]

It's another way to play it if you're sick of the same old

[glass geyser]

Its not that I'm sick of it.

It's just that the only way I can win is with one build

[modern garnet]

Yeah well focusing on the special is a second way

Get aphro or artemis on special, pick only special effects on hammers, and have a blast

Triple bomb is good, cluster bomb is good, rocket bomb is real good

Cool thing about special bombs is that you can toss em out at basically any time, I think there's 0 frames of animation

Launch one every time you dash and every time you reload

[chrome wharf]

there's also Hestia with Aphrodite's attack, and Sea Storm Lucifer (Poseidon attack, any Zeus to get the duo)

[mint coral]

you can also use dio on attack

[small parrot]

Zeus/Dio on attack works in general, especially for Eris
If you're running Hestia, then switch to Artemis or Aphrodite

Special has different clip, so you can use it mid-reload and you should.
You can go for a special build if you can get Cluster/Hazard/Triple

Thing about Rail is that it's really dependent on your boons and hammers

[short glen]

Rail suggestion: Get the infinite ammo hammer, it's grand

[barren citrus]

Aspect of arthur so pog

[short glen]

yes

[stuck sundial]

i think the problem with the rail is that it just has a weird attack, which makes it hard to use properly, it is still good, just harder to use, and many people, including me, prefer any other weapon

[thorn marsh]

triple expolsive is gud

[mint coral]

Never said it was bad
But tbf on rama is so slow ww

[thorn marsh]

TWIN EXPLOSIVE ON RAMA

[little dragon]

demeter fist with heroic heartbreak flourish

pommed to level 5

[celest shell]

Oh dang, Wintory worked on the soundtrack as well as the conductor?

Nice

Also yay I made it to the credits

[tall lotus]

hello all and rest, I watch more youtub er for finding hadees gaming! This time I see it have gun and shooting, that crazy a lot to me

any one think he got shiled iwth blad on it, and maybe seperate for strong sword with shield instead!

[slow geyser]

@tall lotuswat u say

[tall lotus]

It waht they show? in youtube video, he use shield but got sword blade too

Hello @granite ether am I mu te, seem not meesaging through? just ask to be safe since it time to talk about hadees discussion! hope no bother, it not late here in lithua

@rough token maybe it need technical support, issue seem working through late, hope it not bad maybe

[slow geyser]

Spam

[tall lotus]

sorry, it make me worry, just in case though to be safely

[slow geyser]

out of the lines. you must wait. we canet play this game always

[heavy wigeon]

bro what are u guys talking about

[tall lotus]

It ok, I wait longer to making sure hadees discussion is caring! this time we can talking about the blade with fire

[plucky latch]

Where'd you say you were from, Jacobian?

[tall lotus]

how it burn, it seem like hadees pick up candy ball and it give him power but sometimes not

I from lithua

[slow geyser]

he keep messing wit the mod

just talk of the game

[tall lotus]

I not messing, not combat intentive, just make sure not broken discord

[slow geyser]

we discust

[plucky latch]

I think Orpheus resembles a substance abuser

[slow geyser]

make sense. she in hell too

and gf got tattooes. big flags

[modern garnet]

Flags of what? Of being sick as hell?

[heavy wigeon]

no i think he means red flag like a warning sign

[slow geyser]

tink so. wat u tink bout it

honesty

[modern garnet]

I think what Orpheus has got going on looks more like sad clown makeup than anything else

She looks alt or whatever but that doesn't imply anything

[stoic flame]

s h e ?

orpheus a whole ass dude

[heavy wigeon]

orpheus looks and sounds pretty feminine so i get where riddler is coming from if they're not brushed up on the lore

[slow geyser]

ma says tattoes are signs for drugs. big flags. not lik Beyondsay

and she in hell. must be bad person

[modern garnet]

I meant eurydice looks alt

[stoic flame]

everyone is in hell

[slow geyser]

tht wat i tink. add up

[stoic flame]

there is no heaven in greek mythology

there is only good hell and the hot hell

which is elysium and asphodel respectively

[heavy wigeon]

alternative to what

[stoic flame]

and tarturus for the worst of the worst

i think

[stoic flame]

heaven and hell

[slow geyser]

olympus not haven?

[modern garnet]

No Olympus is for gods only

[stoic flame]

ded people dont go to olympus

[slow geyser]

Zaggy can go?

[modern garnet]

Elysium is supposed to be for the heroed, but somehow theseus ended up there, so there was clearly a mistake somewhere

[stoic flame]

ah yes

i understand why theseus went there but how did the minotaur end up ther

e

[modern garnet]

Zag can't go to Olympus because he's too dead

[stoic flame]

zag is the deadest

[slow geyser]

wat

[stoic flame]

have you finished the game?

these are spoilers

[slow geyser]

tink so

[stoic flame]

he died and was resurrected or something

he's bound to hell

he cant leave

[leaden geyser]

hades as well irc

[high island]

He's there thanks to King Theseus.

[slow geyser]

curse or sumting? did it not tell?

[stoic flame]

they explained it

[stoic flame]

nah hades can leave i think

he just doesnt like to leave

[leaden geyser]

i'm pretty sure of nyx saying that both zag and hades can't leave because of hades inheriting the underworld

there is no escape and all

[stoic flame]

pretty sure he can leave but he just doesnt like the surface and has too much work

maybe im trippin idk

[south lagoon]

she says they are both "bound to" the underworld but i don't know if she specifically says that hades can't leave