h1-discussion

[chrome yoke]

Anyways

Favorite aspects?

[reef zodiac]

I think I’m gonna get back into Hades

Maybe

[robust scaffold]

rama and chiron and zeus

[chrome yoke]

pog

[reef zodiac]

I gotta find this really great clip I have hold on

[chrome yoke]

Mine is achilles

[reef zodiac]

It’s worth it

[robust scaffold]

btw bird which part of the bow do u not like

does it feel too slow

[chrome yoke]

uh its really hard to use for me

Slow, low damage

[raw herald]

Dash strike

[robust scaffold]

oh, r u using kbm or controller

hello rmacinty lol

i was gonna say that

[reef zodiac]

I love Achilles so much for cast builds but that’s about it

[chrome yoke]

kbm and bow dash strike is really hard for me

[robust scaffold]

its just clicking after pressing dash

[high island]

Don't think I have a favorite aspect at the moment.

[chrome yoke]

Does insane damage

Even without

Casts

[robust scaffold]

favourite god :p

[high island]

Lady Aphrodite, of course.

[reef zodiac]

Wait I can’t send a video? This is unfortunate

[chrome yoke]

Once i had a 199% damage increase from aphrodite, if i did a raging rush that would be a 349% damage increase

[robust scaffold]

yea u have to send a discord link instead

[chrome yoke]

you can send images via discord or imgur links

[robust scaffold]

so like send it in ur server

etc

[reef zodiac]

I don’t know how to do that

[robust scaffold]

like uh

[chrome yoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826796295204372492/868463198267928606/unknown.png

[robust scaffold]

send a video in another server, then copy the link of that

yea

[chrome yoke]

That was the aphrodite run

[robust scaffold]

thats nice lol

[reef zodiac]

You ever combined Crystal beam, glacial glare, and Arctic blast? Add in a mirage shot and fully loaded?

[robust scaffold]

nope, i like hunting blades more

[chrome yoke]

i dont like crystal beam, and my artemis rng is dung

[robust scaffold]

i heard its strong with a lot of support boons ofc

[raw herald]

It's easier for hunting blades to be strong imo

[reef zodiac]

Hunting blades is fun too, but nothing compares to seeing the numbers tick that fast and the boss’s health just disappear

[reef zodiac]

I agree with this

[shadow kernel]

Hunting blades is so fun

[chrome yoke]

Hunting blades + Vicious cycle =
Total annhilation

on low heat atleast

[reef zodiac]

Alright let me do a hunting blades run real quick

[robust scaffold]

yea its harder to get those demeter boons for her cast

[shadow kernel]

But with hunting blades if you get unlucky and don’t get hunting blades it’s suuuuucks

[raw herald]

185in, the Achilles spear WR holder says that slicing shot is the best cast for Achilles, assuming you are using it just for bossing

[chrome yoke]

Yea cuz normal blade rift from ares is pretty bad

[reef zodiac]

I’ll do 16 heat because it’s been forever since I’ve played and I have no muscle memory anymore

[chrome yoke]

Pog, pancake is back into hades

[robust scaffold]

oh the dmg is pretty high after all

[reef zodiac]

Honestly I disagree, the damage is pretty strong

[chrome yoke]

But it doesnt stay on the enemy for long

[robust scaffold]

i assume that means it sucks for normal chambers?

[raw herald]

More that casts are used as a supplement to flurry jab, because flurry jab can clear rooms fast anyway, you only use the cast for bosses

[reef zodiac]

I always wanted to do 32 heat guan Yu but after weeks of attempts I gave up. Couldn’t even do it with charged skewer and Artemis special

[robust scaffold]

oo okay

[chrome yoke]

like try using slicing shot on for example Extreme measures theseus, he'll just ride away in his chariot

[robust scaffold]

u can ask in #h1-high-heat-strategies if u want help heh

[chrome yoke]

Hunting blades will stay on him for a bit longer however

[robust scaffold]

theseus runs away from everything >:(

[reef zodiac]

Alright I gotta go play Hades because if I keep talking I’ll never actually play

[robust scaffold]

its a pain fighting him with bow

okay cya pancake

[reef zodiac]

But Bird

[chrome yoke]

But pancake

[reef zodiac]

Try out Chiron bow if you haven’t

[chrome yoke]

hm

[robust scaffold]

yay another chiron fan

[chrome yoke]

Will do

[reef zodiac]

Make sure it’s at least partly upgraded though

[chrome yoke]

i unlocked every aspect as i said earlier
except hidden aspects :(
Stupid achilles with his stupid dialogue

[robust scaffold]

but chiron is much much stronger when fully upgraded yea

[reef zodiac]

Chiron is great for new(er) players

[robust scaffold]

so if u dont have enough blood its not the best

[reef zodiac]

Ok now I’m gonna go do 16 heat hunting blades brb

[robust scaffold]

i think bird isnt that new now since hes on like 11 heat

bye

[shadow kernel]

I used to love Chiron but honestly it’s kinda boring

I way prefer Hera now

[thorn marsh]

achilles

[shadow kernel]

5k damage per shot is so fun

[robust scaffold]

rama :p

[thorn marsh]

love to see it homie

[chrome yoke]

dont like spending my titan blood on something if im not sure if i like it

[reef zodiac]

Wait I want damage control for hunting blades right? Very little downside there? Or am I misremembering

[reef zodiac]

You’ll max out everything eventually anyway

[robust scaffold]

i guess its fine

but with such low heat u could take other stuff

[chrome yoke]

Damage control is only one hit extra

[robust scaffold]

what aspect r u using

[raw herald]

You could probably do EM4 with hunting blades considering how fast you kill bosses with it

[reef zodiac]

Achilles obv

[chrome yoke]

Do EM3 + some other stuff

[robust scaffold]

oh

[shadow kernel]

Damage control is free heat if you’re playing hunting blades builds

[thorn marsh]

DC is fine if its achilles

[reef zodiac]

You overestimate my skill (also I’m returning after months). I’m staying tf away from EM4

[raw herald]

Fair enough

[robust scaffold]

EM3 FO2 TD3 HL1 maybe

haha

[reef zodiac]

Sorry

[robust scaffold]

haha language filter

[reef zodiac]

EM4 is scary scary stuff

[robust scaffold]

yea i try not to fight EM4 if i can

[shadow kernel]

Petition to make the bot censor blood and darkness because dad says it’s a curse

[robust scaffold]

then again i havent practiced that fight nearly enough

[reef zodiac]

Phase 1 EM4 is stupid hard

Literally summons minibosses

[shadow kernel]

Phase 1 is the hardest

Phase 2 is kinda free if you pay attention and don’t get hit by his spear throw

[reef zodiac]

Ok I have to play Hades right now or I never will. Cya in a bit

[robust scaffold]

cya

[reef zodiac]

Wait I have to ask one question

[robust scaffold]

yea?

[reef zodiac]

How impressive is a 7:57 time?

[robust scaffold]

its pretty good imo, but im not a speedrunner

sub 8 is quite good i think

[reef zodiac]

That’s my cousins pb he has less time in the game than I do so I think that’s pretty impressive

[thorn marsh]

sub 8 is p good yeah

[robust scaffold]

there should be a speedrunning discord for hades too but im not in it since i dont speedrun

[chrome yoke]

Sorry that im not very active rn but im busy

in 10-20-30 mins ill be back

[thorn marsh]

sub 8 is that one rng wall thats hard to pass and then it gets harder and harder from there

[shadow kernel]

Very

[reef zodiac]

Obviously it’s not impressive impressive but I think it’s pretty sick

Ok back to Hades

[robust scaffold]

okay cya lol
i gtg too so bye

[chrome yoke]

pancake tell us how the run went when you are done

[high island]

Sub 8 isn't so much RNG really.

[thorn marsh]

elysium

[reef zodiac]

Will do

[chrome yoke]

Elysium with jury summons 2/3 is hell

[shadow kernel]

I don’t understand how people get out of Tartarus in under 2:30

[hard pawn]

In some rooms with BP2 yes it is

[shadow kernel]

No matter how fast I think I’m going I can’t do it

[high island]

I stand by what I said.

[hard pawn]

[chrome yoke]

Me neither, tartarus takes the longest for me

Usually like 7 minutes

[hard pawn]

7 minutes in tartarus???

[shadow kernel]

When I’m going for speed I can get out in like 2:40

But people get out in 2 mins

I don’t get it

[fathom sleet]

You just got styled on ig

[hard pawn]

Fountains, chaos, time attack, shops, sisyphus

[high island]

Practice.

[hard pawn]

Spawn manipulation

And practice

[fathom sleet]

Its luck based so who knows if they got Super Soaker build immediately

[hard pawn]

Its not all luck based

[thorn marsh]

u cant just push out a sub 8 with just luck if u dont have any skill

[hard pawn]

This ain't minecraft

[fathom sleet]

It's like... 50/50

Luck to skill

[thorn marsh]

at some point speedrunning hades becomes more rng than skill but u still need skill to go fast

[hard pawn]

[chrome yoke]

Yes i take my time

[hard pawn]

What do you start with

To get 7 mins in tartarus

[thorn marsh]

nah its not 50/50 u got to account in sack luck free room luck and enemy luck

[high island]

Also, some aspects are just faster in Tartarus. That's normal.

[chrome yoke]

aphrodite or athena

[shadow kernel]

I agree

[hard pawn]

On achilles right?

[shadow kernel]

No matter how good you are if you don’t get free rooms in elysium it’s game over

[chrome yoke]

Or if im running hunting blades ares / artemis

[thorn marsh]

eh no

[reef zodiac]

Don’t use jury summons on sub 30 heat

[hard pawn]

If u care abt time kiwi, Artemis or zeus is faster on achilles

Especially w flurry on first hammer

[chrome yoke]

Idk why tartarus takes long for me

[thorn marsh]

i got a sub 8 on hera with a 3:18 aspho exit

i guess just outrun the elysium idk

[fathom sleet]

If you're really unlucky then maybe?

[hard pawn]

Starting w cast boon's god is not good

[fathom sleet]

Like shiiit

[hard pawn]

Bc u still need the duo

[hard pawn]

I think swearing is not allowed on this server oop

[chrome yoke]

ok

well generally i start with aphrodite for the damage boon

[high island]

It's not.

[fathom sleet]

If I had multiple armored witch chambers I think I'd be a little low on health

With traps in play too

And butterflies

[hard pawn]

Artemis is better than Aphrodite on achilles

Better duos and more dps w flurry

[fathom sleet]

I can see where he was coming from now lol

[reef zodiac]

Hunting blades chamber 28

Pretty late but it’s 16 heat so it’s a free run regardless

[fathom sleet]

It's also weapon dependent, some weapons are better for speed

[hard pawn]

Quite late but not too late

Whats ur pact pancake

[chrome yoke]

Do you count rooms?

[fathom sleet]

Theres a counter somewhere

[hard pawn]

Theres an option to turn on chamber count

[fathom sleet]

I haven't found it myself

[chrome yoke]

oh i didnt know that

[thorn marsh]

u can look at the chamber number by opening up the boon menu

where u see all the boons u have

[fathom sleet]

Ohhhh that menu

[hard pawn]

Its kind of massive tho so you won't see a lot of people using it

[fathom sleet]

I never end up using that cuz opening the boon menu doesnt pause the timer

[chrome yoke]

Hunter dash or damage boon?

[hard pawn]

Atack

Hunter dash not good

Athena dash and pos dash better

[chrome yoke]

so the crit chance attack

[hard pawn]

Yes

[thorn marsh]

u can do it while zag is doing the entering the room animation like before u can actually play and the boon menu wont show up and just the chamber number

[chrome yoke]

will try it

[hard pawn]

That and zeus are the best for achilles objectively dps wise

Tho w zeus u have to have poseidon dash

[reef zodiac]

Might as well take divine protection. No idea how I got to this point but screw it

[hard pawn]

And jolted

[thorn marsh]

well if ur trying to get fast tarts ur starting tidal dash imo

[hard pawn]

Yeah

[chrome yoke]

Tidal dash is amazing

[hard pawn]

But they run hunting blades so I was focusing more on the arty attack

[fathom sleet]

I think its probably the best base ability in the game

[hard pawn]

Divine dash better universally

[fathom sleet]

Athena's boons are really tame imo

[hard pawn]

😐

[fathom sleet]

Maybe I dont use her too often but I dont think shes all that great

I always prefer using someone else

[hard pawn]

Shes really good

[thorn marsh]

athena is probably the best good in the game for surviving

not much for damage though unless ur going ME

[hard pawn]

^

She can give 2 extra dds

Thats insane in high heat as ur using SD

Her legendary is amazing, her dash is amazing

[thorn marsh]

she can give u flat pommable damage reduction

[fathom sleet]

Ih that's right

[reef zodiac]

Mirage shot poggies

[river vigil]

athena dash

[fathom sleet]

I did a athena run for the lolz the other day and realized I had an extra dd

[hard pawn]

Also frosty

Athena has Merciful End

[fathom sleet]

Does anyone use chaos defiance with athena then too

[hard pawn]

Chaos defiance isn't something anyone plays around its extremely rare

Its more of a convenience from RNGesus

[river vigil]

yep

like usually people just take dd's from athena

[fathom sleet]

I never go for chaos super super much either

I get her maybe once or twice a run

But her I got a simple plan

[high island]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eAOEli9KqJOVyPD7U-6D1o1yZx1tDMQWLDcMJr8G84E/

[fathom sleet]

Spend 75% of your run getting Pos Dio duo and then get Chaos

Fool proof

[hard pawn]

Oop I'll be taking that doc

[hard pawn]

💀

[fathom sleet]

Eheheh

It probably wouldn't make a huge difference chance wise either way

[chrome yoke]

Pancake did you win?

[reef zodiac]

How do I send images again?

[reef zodiac]

Yeah obviously it was 16 heat lol

[high island]

Link them from something like imgur.

[reef zodiac]

I’ll just dm it to you Bird

Gimme a sec

Win streak 73 pog

[chrome yoke]

Send it in a seperate server

Right click the image

Click "copy link"

Then send it here

[reef zodiac]

Does that work?

[chrome yoke]

not the discord channel link

The image link

[reef zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/868852816444293130/image0.jpg

There we go

Lmao

[chrome yoke]

Ah yea

Pog pog

Go for the 100 winstreak 😌

[reef zodiac]

Maybe

[chrome yoke]

maybe one day youll even do 60 heat

[reef zodiac]

Build started off pretty rocky but turned out quite strong

[reef zodiac]

Lmao as if

[chrome yoke]

i mean we both did p5 x)

[reef zodiac]

Heat becomes exponentially harder as you go up

[chrome yoke]

yeah understandable, im not THAT good at hades yet

[reef zodiac]

The difference between 32 heat and 34 heat is around the same as the difference between 0 and 10 heat

[chrome yoke]

11 heat is my highest and im slowly working up to 16 one heat by one heat for the bounties

[chrome yoke]

oh ~

[raw herald]

40 to 50 is like 0 to 32

[chrome yoke]

i didnt know that

[reef zodiac]

Really? I would have thought it’s worse than that

[thorn marsh]

@raw herald whats the highest heat cleared unrouted?

[raw herald]

60

[thorn marsh]

ah damn baj woulda got new heat wr

but timed out in dad

[chrome yoke]

Whats the difference between routed and unrouted

[reef zodiac]

Tailesque?

[thorn marsh]

no

baj

[raw herald]

routed removes all rng

[chrome yoke]

oh

[reef zodiac]

No but like Tailesque got 60 heat right?

[raw herald]

Yes and someone else, cant remember their name

ykc i think?

[reef zodiac]

Oh ok

Does Haelian still play Hades?

[thorn marsh]

kinda

[raw herald]

The full heat leaderboard is pinned in the high heat channel

He does 45 heat runs every now and then, but no funruns anymore

[reef zodiac]

Ah ok

I kinda wanna do either a Guan Yu special build or a Hera crush shot build

But I don’t remember how to build either of those because it’s been way too long lmao

[chrome yoke]

I really want to use a hidden aspect

But

God sometimes rng is painful

[reef zodiac]

Do more runs then

Eventually you’ll get it

[hard pawn]

lol

[chrome yoke]

yeah

but ive done at least 30 runs now while eligible for the text

[thorn marsh]

oh

[hard pawn]

thats weird

[reef zodiac]

Is there a definite answer as to if Dark Foresight or Olympian Favor is better?

[thorn marsh]

have u unlocked hades spear @chrome yoke

[thorn marsh]

dark

[reef zodiac]

Ok that’s what I’ve been using

[raw herald]

More boons is better than rarer boons, because the boons can't be rarer if you don't get any

[reef zodiac]

True

[chrome yoke]

I have literally unlocked every aspect

Like a few runs ago

[hard pawn]

hmm

[reef zodiac]

Now max them all out

[hard pawn]

maybe jus die and die and die till achilles gives you the line?

[reef zodiac]

Alright I’m gonna do a 20 heat Hera crush shot run

[hard pawn]

have fun

[reef zodiac]

Thanks

Love Hera bow

[thorn marsh]

yeet

[chrome yoke]

I did that for dionysus once and it drained the life out of me

[reef zodiac]

Death tends to do that

[hard pawn]

lol

[chrome yoke]

[reef zodiac]

[thorn marsh]

[chrome yoke]

[high island]

Hera: #h1-discussion message
Guan Yu: #h1-discussion message

[reef zodiac]

Woah

Thanks!!

Did crush shot get buffed? It feels better than when I last played but I could totally be wrong

[shadow kernel]

Based

[reef zodiac]

All four of my casts plus my attack damage is over 1K with Hera rn

[thorn marsh]

yep

[reef zodiac]

actually I have a cast damage item rn so it’s 1700

[thorn marsh]

[shadow kernel]

Now get 5k per shot with chaos boons, dio cast and mirage shot

[signal aspen]

cast

[reef zodiac]

I’ve gotten close to that with beo shield actually. I was 1-shotting Hades phases in phase 2

[chrome yoke]

To unlock themes

I have to do nyx's, Sisyphus and achilles favor right

Also orpheus but i already did it

[signal aspen]

yeah

[chrome yoke]

nyx dialogue rng 😩

meg dialogue rng 😩

[calm pelican]

wow EM4 hades is no joke

[reef zodiac]

For real

EM4 is a last resort in terms of heat

[shadow kernel]

I play on EM4 with Hera

But otherwise I avoid it

[reef zodiac]

For fun? Or for the heat? If you do it for the heat, what heat do you play at?

[polar root]

chaos dialogue rng

im dying

[calm pelican]

the funny thing is im playing only EM4

i thought i could take him

since i can do well even on 16 heat

[polar root]

em4 scares me

[signal aspen]

i made it to the last phase of em4 on 50 heat, but i timed out and got hit by a 100 damage spear throw

[calm pelican]

i think i should give up on 63 heat lol

[reef zodiac]

EM4 is scarier than most 20 heat setups imo

[polar root]

wow

😦

[calm pelican]

btw

does charon count as a mini boss?

[signal aspen]

no

[raw herald]

Minibosses don't have health bars at the top

So Charon and vermin are technically bosses

[chrome yoke]

Charon counts as an actual boss

Aswell as vermin

[calm pelican]

phew

he's tough enough without middle management

[polar root]

I need help

you think passion dash is as good as splash dash?

[raw herald]

Nope

Not for damage at least

[polar root]

the knockback is annoying

for eris

i just knock them out of the bomb

[raw herald]

Aim the bomb to where you are about to push the enemies into

It takes a bit to get used to

But honesty, most enemies should die before then

[polar root]

my head hurts

too much for my monke brain

[raw herald]

Mine too

I just unga-bunga and hope for the best

[polar root]

i mean

isnt that what I always do?

[shadow kernel]

Both and any heat really

[high island]

EM4 FO2 by itself is probably a lot worse than most pacts you could come up with for 32 Heat.

[shadow kernel]

Hera does soooo much damage

So the minibosses he spawns just die

And as long as you aren’t getting hit by his spear throw you can kill him easily

[reef zodiac]

FO2 is also terrifying but I’ve heard it gets a lot less bad once you’re completely used to it

[raw herald]

It's still annoying when bombers jump around and you have to chase them

I can handle everything that isn't EM3+ with FO2

[thorn marsh]

and this is why FO1 on beo unless cshot

[glass salmon]

Am I able to pre order now?

[high island]

I'd argue that people who say they're completely fine with FO2 are simply overconfident. You'll take way more hits in any run with FO2 than without. Any pact that you do with FO2 is gonna be a lot harder than with FO0.

[reef zodiac]

Oh god I’m remembering now why I got so sick of 32 heat

[reef zodiac]

Oh absolutely but when you go from FO0 to FO2 quickly, it will feel like the game is infinitely harder and once you adjust it will only be a reasonable amount harder

[reef zodiac]

Because of FO2 EM3 Asterius mini boss. That jerk would literally singlehandedly end perfectly great runs

To the point where I started avoiding mini boss rooms

Which isn’t really something you can afford to do in Elysium while on a deadline

[toxic steeple]

how do you grind nectar? i mean i know it drops as a chamber reward but i only get one or two of those per run, and I need a ton of nectar to forge a bond with all of the olympians.

[reef zodiac]

Can’t you buy it pretty cheap from the trader guy?

[toxic steeple]

but can you use fated authority or something to get more nectar rewards

[high island]

The difference is still big. You can't just "adjust" to having to react way faster. That's not really how that works.

[reef zodiac]

I agree with you for sure

Still, it obviously takes some getting used to for it to feel remotely manageable. That’s all I’m really saying

[high island]

More like it took quite a lot of feedback in Early Access and them finetuning attack startup animations of certain enemies with FO1 and FO2.

[shadow kernel]

O this is probably why I suck at high heat lol

I always put in FO2 for the heat

And just take way too much unnecessary damage

[reef zodiac]

Depending on how high you’re pushing the heat, FO2 becomes close to a necessity at a certain point. But I don’t think that point is anywhere before 32 heat

[raw herald]

I've always done FO2 at 32 tbh

[high island]

It's certainly not at 32 Heat, either.

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[high island]

You can do 32 Heat with FO2, but you don't have to.

[raw herald]

Probably did FO1 for Arthur

[high island]

If FO2 was actually +40% attack speed for all enemies with no limitations added for certain enemies, maybe people wouldn't be so overconfident about FO2.

[reef zodiac]

Do you think someone should put on EM4 before touching jury summons?

[raw herald]

No

[ashen remnant]

Oh goodness EM4 is probably the hardest thing you could add

[high island]

If all you care for is clearing the Heat, you shouldn't be doing EM4 until like 50ish.

[reef zodiac]

Ok makes sense

[high island]

But if you want to do EM4, then just do EM4.

It's not too bad if that's the only pact.

You might have to reconsider your builds to make sure you're well prepared for EM4.

[reef zodiac]

Back when I played Hades a lot, my goal was to get as many aspects to 32 heat as possible. Right now I’ve only done Achilles, Beowulf, Rama, Eris, and Hera

[chrome yoke]

There should be a EM5 that upgrades tiny vermin change my mind

[high island]

I didn't do that until well after I had a high heat WR. Learning to play so many aspects at that level can take awhile.

[reef zodiac]

What’s your heat PB?

[high island]

52 in Early Access, 51 since 1.0.

[shadow kernel]

Me

[reef zodiac]

I didn’t mean a specific someone

[shadow kernel]

Well with Hera I think it’s ok

[reef zodiac]

I still don’t really understand that but ok

[raw herald]

I did JS2 EM3 for my 50, if that helps

[thorn marsh]

some weapons can handle em4 better than others

[chrome yoke]

I use jury summons 1 sometimes

JS 1 isnt all that bad

imo atleast

[raw herald]

But I used Hestia which sucks against EM4

[reef zodiac]

I never really picked a specialty aspect and I always loved switching to keep it fresh

[storm fox]

I have done like 6 clears of the game

[chrome yoke]

Your 10th clear will be worth it. Trust me.

[storm fox]

Should I save nectar and ambrosias?

[chrome yoke]

Work on relationships with people :>

[raw herald]

Just try to unlock all the keepsakes

[storm fox]

I just give them to anyone i can find lol

[chrome yoke]

Work on every keepsake yeah

So get everyones first heart

[storm fox]

Already did that

Got max hearts with the dog too

Does it do anything?

[chrome yoke]

understandable

Some people give special keepsakes at their 7th heart

[high island]

Honestly, you can spend it all, you can trade it all. Entirely up you.

[chrome yoke]

And a lot of people have little quests you can do

[high island]

The game doesn't punish you in a way that you can get locked out of any resources.

[storm fox]

Ah ok

[storm fox]

That's what I was trying to know. Will there come any point where i can't earn them anymore?

[chrome yoke]

nectar is an infinite resource

[high island]

You'll get bounties up 20 Heat in normal mode and 25 Heat in hell mode.

For each weapon.

[reef zodiac]

I think it’s one of the worst pacts in the game, at least at one heat. It’s definitely worse than Hard Labor, Lasting Consequences (1&2 at least), Convenience Fee, sometimes damage control depending on your aspect, and probably Heightened Security as well (in my opinion). I’d steer clear of it

[chrome yoke]

you can earn a total of 126 Ambrosia just by doing runs 😉

[high island]

But you can trade up your resources like Chthonic Keys, anyway.

[raw herald]

IMO CF1 is worse than JS1

[high island]

Final shop always has bounties, too.

[storm fox]

Ah ok

Thanks :)

[chrome yoke]

what? I barely notice a 20% increase in enemies, and i definitely notice the higher prices and stuff

[high island]

CF1, JS1. Both free on their own. It's the combination of things that can make them tough.

[reef zodiac]

Just because you don’t notice it doesn’t mean it’s not hurting you

[chrome yoke]

Well im not that experienced yet with heat

[reef zodiac]

I mean at 10 heat it’s fine but you’re really gonna feel it hurting you at 20+ heat

[high island]

Like how HL0-5 makes zero difference for me on aspects like Hestia if I don't add FO2 etc.

[chrome yoke]

Which pacts should i use for 16 heat btw

[reef zodiac]

But still at 10 heat you’re better off with something like EM2 or LC1 and HL1

[chrome yoke]

Em3 + ??

[high island]

Whichever you prefer, honestly.

[raw herald]

I wouldn't do EM3 at 16 honestly, but I find the fight quite tough

[high island]

EM3 CP2 RI4 for 16 Heat.

[raw herald]

Lmao

[chrome yoke]

Oh im really used to the bossfights at this point, em1/2/3 is free for me

[high island]

It's fun. Do it.

[reef zodiac]

You definitely want tight deadline. That’s free heat up until you hit the really high numbers, where it’s still gonna be needed due to heat reasons. Therefore I’d say always have it on

[high island]

See? EM3 is free for Bird.

So EM3 CP2 RI4 will be fine.

[signal aspen]

yes

[chrome yoke]

CP? RI?

[high island]

Calisthenics Program and Routine Inspection.

[ashen remnant]

lol I’ve done 50 Heat and I still hate EM3 Asterius

[reef zodiac]

EM3 is no problem on its own but when you add FO2 it becomes my worst nightmare

[raw herald]

Wait, I did DC2 RI4 EM1 BP2 for that Reddit challenge

[ashen remnant]

Oh yeah same

The chaos shield rando

[chrome yoke]

...

w h a t

i cant live without the mirror

[signal aspen]

ri4 is easy

[high island]

But you just said EM3 is free.

[reef zodiac]

EM3 FO2 asterius mini boss is literally a run killer

[high island]

So it's just RI4 CP2. That's only 10 Heat.

[chrome yoke]

yes.. slightly harder bossfights..

Thats really different from no mirror..

[reef zodiac]

They’re making a point Bird

[calm pelican]

i feel like the EM3 theseus boss fight is easier

[raw herald]

I do not

[chrome yoke]

same, and asterius is just a matter of dashing

[raw herald]

But I barely ever use EM3

[calm pelican]

since theseus isnt throwing his spear at me every few seconds

[high island]

I honestly don't think I've ever actually done EM3 without FO2.

[chrome yoke]

FO2?

Sorry for asking so many questions

[signal aspen]

forced overtime 2

[signal aspen]

its fine

[ashen remnant]

Same it’s horrid. FO2 Asterius is, well, you’re gonna get hit when he charges

[reef zodiac]

EM3 FO2 asterius is actually so terrifying, especially with HL2+. That was what made me quit 32 heat running

[high island]

There's a list of initialisms pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[chrome yoke]

ah

[thorn marsh]

instant transmissions across the room

[signal aspen]

a lot of my 50 heat runs end at the bull man fight

[high island]

Yeah, just don't do FO2 or EM3 at 32 Heat.

[raw herald]

High heat EM3 is just praying that you see butterfly ball

[chrome yoke]

Ok. But seriously, whats the easiest heat setup for 16 heat

[high island]

No idea. I'll do any 16 Heat pact that doesn't have EM4 without breaking a sweat with any aspect.

[raw herald]

Depends, can you clear fast?

[high island]

I guess don't do like JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 kind of stuff with Excalibur?

[raw herald]

If you can reliably clear in 15 mins, then TD3 is free

[reef zodiac]

Neither? Where am I getting my heat from? Should I not be afraid to touch RI, AP, or CP? I pretty much ignore those always, which leads to 32 heat seeming pretty impossible to hit without either FO2 or EM3 if not both

[high island]

Is it free if you do JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 on Excalibur? lol

[thorn marsh]

RI1 isnt that bad imo

[raw herald]

Challenge accepted

RI1 is the worst 2 heat pact you can take

Not even close imo

[thorn marsh]

oh

[signal aspen]

dark foresight is too good

and rerolls

[thorn marsh]

ah right

REROLL AND DARK FORKSIGHT

mb

[raw herald]

It's why you either go RI0 or RI2

[reef zodiac]

Makes sense to me

[high island]

I'll rephrase: don't combine EM3 with FO2 at 32 Heat.

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

[reef zodiac]

Ok yeah that probably wise

[high island]

But you can also do neither of them.

[reef zodiac]

I feel like I definitely want EM3 at 32

[high island]

32 Heat is quite flexible.

[reef zodiac]

And 32 heat feels really early to enter LC4 SD territory, no?

[high island]

LC4 SD is meta at 32 Heat for a reason. It's easy 4 Heat compared to other options.

And you can very easily get 1-2 DDs from Lady Athena.

[reef zodiac]

I thought people didn’t do that until around 40+ heat. Alright maybe I’ll try it

[high island]

No. 32+.

[reef zodiac]

Got it, thanks

Also why do you specifically recommend those god keepsakes?

Why Aphro then Athena?

[high island]

We did plenty of LC0 DDs, LC2 DDs, etc. pacts at 32 Heat. They were a lot harder than they needed to be.

[signal aspen]

you can start with any god keepsake depending on your weapon, but you need athena keepsake for dds

[reef zodiac]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[high island]

Because Heartbreak Strike/Flourish will give you high damage on almost every aspect + Weak and easy access to Life Affirmation and Smoldering Air.

Owl Pendant in Asphodel for Divine Dash and DDs.

[reef zodiac]

Is aphro damage better than Artemis? I thought crit was better

In terms of raw damage at least

Smoldering Air can be a hard carry though

That boon is absurd

[high island]

I mean, you'll do nice damage 15% of the time with Deadly Strike and very poor damage 85% of the time is the reality.

[ashen remnant]

Artemis can do more but also might not, Aphro is consistent and Weak status is strong

[high island]

Potential DPS on an enemy with infinite HP also doesn't really matter. Damage breakpoints matter.

[reef zodiac]

Interesting. I was under the impression that, mathematically, Artemis is noticeably better than Aphrodite in terms of raw damage. Although maybe that’s more for weapons like Chiron bow

[thorn marsh]

artemis does great on high attack speed weapons imo

[high island]

No, they're more about even, but crits can scale higher with additional bonus damage and Heart Rend etc.

[reef zodiac]

Ok

I want to get Chiron to 32 heat I have decided

[high island]

But.

[eternal marlin]

tbh they both have damage but what's important for that guide is that Weak turns HL5 into HL2 overall.

[high island]

Yeah. And like I said, Life Affirmation and Smoldering Air carry.

[reef zodiac]

That makes sense

[high island]

And actual DPS depends on a lot of things.

If the average damage per hit is lower for Heartbreak Flourish than for Deadly Flourish, but Heartbreak Flourish one-shots an enemy type 100% of the time while Deadly Flourish needs 2 hits 85% and 1 hit 15% of the time... then Heartbreak Flourish has way better DPS in those encounters.

[reef zodiac]

I spent a while to get certain aspects to 32 heat but with Rama I first tried it despite getting terrible boon luck (and my lack of experience with Rama). Conclusion: Rama busted

[reef zodiac]

That’s a good point. For a weapon like Chiron though, do you think that Aphrodite is better than Artemis for the special?

[high island]

No, because you'd want Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish and get Heart Rend.

[reef zodiac]

Ok

[raw herald]

Chiron's special arrows aren't hitting any breakpoints that matter

[reef zodiac]

Do I still want to go for that at 32 heat? If so, do I drop the LC4 SD package since I can’t really be sure I’ll get Athena? Or do I still take Athena to asphodel and hope to find Aphrodite?

[high island]

You want to start Heartbreak Strike and just pick whichever you see first between Drunken Flourish and Deadly Flourish.

[sand wraith]

I started playing this game to procastinate on math, yet it's bites me in the but as soon as I joined this server. Am I correct in the assumption that this is about the bow? 🤔

[high island]

But take the Owl Pendant anyway.

Epic Heartbreak Flourish is perfectly fine, too.

[raw herald]

We are talking about the bow right now, correct

[high island]

Tempest Flourish is great, too, especially if you can get Sea Storm.

[reef zodiac]

Really? Oh. I’m always used to starting Chiron with a special boon to keep my damage output high, otherwise the weapon feels pretty underwhelming at the start

[eternal marlin]

Maybe switch to #high-heat if you got more questions about 32 heat

[sand wraith]

I figured, since i am actually playing with Chiron's aspect + tempest flourish rn ebjdjss

[raw herald]

Or you could start tidal dash

[reef zodiac]

Is 32 heat high heat? It just feels so far from actually high heat that I feel silly calling it that

[sand wraith]

Which is very much broken if you get Daedalus hammer and +4 arrows on your special

[eternal marlin]

We start there.

[ashen remnant]

Yeah. 32 is effin hard

[sand wraith]

Defintily not something the average player does

[high island]

The math wasn't about the bow, somebody asked about Heartbreak Strike/Flourish vs Deadly Strike/Flourish. And the tl;dr answer is they're pretty even fort the most part, pretty much.

[reef zodiac]

I was about to say “it is?” But I forgot I have 340 hours in this game from mid pandemic so I’m not really an average player

[ashen remnant]

I mean same but yeah for most people it looks impossible

[raw herald]

What % of steam players have the 3rd statue unlocked?

[chrome yoke]

Is the third statue an achievement?

[signal aspen]

no

[chrome yoke]

Thank god

[ashen remnant]

You get killed in Tartarus after 3 chambers and nope right on out of there haha

[reef zodiac]

I did 32 heat on 5 different aspects and I thought that was pretty lame

[last cradle]

took me ~50 tries to get 32 heat

[signal aspen]

there isnt an achievement for that so idk

[raw herald]

Hmm

[reef zodiac]

My friend did that after I spent weeks trying to make him get the game

[eternal marlin]

If you do it right 32 really isn't hard. But it can be.

[chrome yoke]

I have a really similar story

[reef zodiac]

Wait I have 176 wins why do I keep forgetting I played the heck out of this game during the pandemic

[chrome yoke]

Go for 100 winstreak

[high island]

Officially, I have to call it high heat because I run the high heat leaderboard, and that starts at 32.

[reef zodiac]

I took such a long break that I reverted to the noob mentality where I assume everything I’ve done is not impressive

[signal aspen]

go for the 200 win streak and beat my record

[raw herald]

My highest winstreak is 14...

[high island]

But for me personally, it's more like mid-heat in my mind? Something like that.

[chrome yoke]

My highest streak is like 8/9

[reef zodiac]

I’m currently at a streak of 74

[raw herald]

I'm currently on a streak of 1

[signal aspen]

nice

[chrome yoke]

World record

[high island]

Speaking of streaks, bablo has an all aspects twice streak at 40 Heat.

48 wins.

[raw herald]

Bablo build different

[chrome yoke]

b- but why

[inner geyser]

-my highest heat clear is 6. 40 heat just seems impossible to me

[ashen remnant]

I think I did 5 straight different aspects at 32 Heat and that felt like a monumental achievement

[chrome yoke]

BUT WHY

[raw herald]

It gets easier over time

[reef zodiac]

40 heat is where stuff gets pretty insane

[inner geyser]

I just got the true ending. Literal chills

[reef zodiac]

The higher your heat gets, the bigger difference you’ll get for every additional heat

[inner geyser]

When ||persephone opened the gates, just- wow||

[chrome yoke]

10 clears?

Yes. Its beatiful, the music is perfection

[high island]

Why would the only person to ever hold all aspect speedrun WRs at the same time and who had the high heat WR + most aspect heat WRs in Early Access streak 40 Heat with all 24 aspects twice?

[inner geyser]

I actually got it on clear #9 somehow

[chrome yoke]

oh it's in the blooood..
That gave me chills

[inner geyser]

Yea

And the scenery from the boat

[chrome yoke]

yes

[high island]

I can't answer that. I guess bablo is just built different.

[sand wraith]

Is there any particular order to do the Pact stuff? I usually play with 60% jury since i assumed that it would allow for more money (probably no substantial amount but yknoe) but now I'm curious if '32' heat is a specific constellation y'all speak of 🤔 🤔

[inner geyser]

Does Haelian still have the heat wr at 52?

[chrome yoke]

32 heat

is a combination of 32 heat

[thorn marsh]

nah

[chrome yoke]

Now do the true true ending

[raw herald]

Heat WR is 60

[inner geyser]

You mean 100%?

[reef zodiac]

You’ll never guess who and with what aspect

[raw herald]

Depends how high you want to go, but there is a good guide that is pinned on #h1-high-heat-strategies

[chrome yoke]

Nope, i mean the epilogue, you'll find out

[inner geyser]

How many clears for that?

[sand wraith]

Yea i get that but is it like, specific ones? Or just any 32 heat combined (i am assuming 32 isn't the highest possible rip)

[raw herald]

Could it be... Nyaanyaa with Gilgamesh?

[sand wraith]

Oo oke thx

[chrome yoke]

Its not based on clears

Persephone will tell you about it in a few runs

[inner geyser]

Ic

[reef zodiac]

what is this emote I don’t understand

[chrome yoke]

Supergiant has several games

[reef zodiac]

Oh it’s from a different SG game lol right

I feel stupid now lmao

[chrome yoke]

[inner geyser]

Dude on my true ending run I spent so much time preparing for dad fight because I thought it was run #9 and not 10.
I had 3 death defiance’s (+ lucky tooth) and full health with a ton of well of Charon items to boost my damage and stuff. All to just not need to fight him, lmao

[reef zodiac]

The thing that really confused me was the name which I immediately associated with the game Celeste and lost my ability to imagine it could mean anything else

[chrome yoke]

hah someone told me that i wouldnt have to fight him so i had the most memey run i have ever done

[inner geyser]

I had a crazy good Beowulf build going on, tbh if I had to fight him it would be my quickest hades fight yet and I’d probably only loose 1 defiance

[reef zodiac]

Wait can you get a much easier speedrun PB on your file from run 10? That feels not right

[inner geyser]

My next goal is all of the hidden aspects. I have 3/6 so far

[raw herald]

It would be illegal for the leaderboards, but it wouldn't matter because the IGT keeps going throughout the cutscene

So it would be 3 mins slower

[chrome yoke]

I have 20~ clears, 70 attempts and am totally eligible and achilles has not given me the dialogue yet for the hidden aspects

[inner geyser]

It doesn’t actually do the clear end screen that shows your time and build and stuff

[reef zodiac]

Yeah it I mean on your own file

[chrome yoke]

60 heat is probably a lot easier on run 10.

[reef zodiac]

Oh it does? That’s funny

[high island]

He never did at 52. Haelian had the WR at 51, then I had the WR at 52, then he had it at 53, and then bablo had it for the rest of Early Access at 54. Tailesque and ykc are tied for WR now at 60 Heat unseeded, and Baj has the WR at 64 Heat seeded.

[reef zodiac]

Wait 64 heat seeded? That’s the max right?

That’s absolutely insane

[high island]

Yes.

[chrome yoke]

65 is the max heat technically

[raw herald]

It was insane, yes. But it was routed

[reef zodiac]

No I don’t think so

[raw herald]

No it's 64

[inner geyser]

Seeded? I didn’t even know that was possible

Is that a mod or something

[cedar nexus]

I like aspect of arthur because it has high damage but it's so slow

[chrome yoke]

On hell mode theres that extra one though iirc?

[raw herald]

And that makes it 64

[reef zodiac]

Yeah which is what gets you to 64

[chrome yoke]

Ah.

[reef zodiac]

Damn it you got there frames before me 🐌

[inner geyser]

Arthur is my fav. It does feel a little clunky but it totally makes up for it when you slow your enemies even more than you’re slowed via the aura

[chrome yoke]

Arthur also gives +50 health right?

[inner geyser]

Yeah

[reef zodiac]

Yeah

[cedar nexus]

Aura is small

[ashen remnant]

Work on dashing during the big swing wind-ups. Speeds it up a lot

[chrome yoke]

I really hope achilles stops bullying me and gives me the dialogue soon

[reef zodiac]

This is a great point ^^

[cedar nexus]

[inner geyser]

Literally every run I start with owl pendant and get divine dash first thing, and all I do is dash strike lmao

[cedar nexus]

I know

But still

[reef zodiac]

They’re not saying dash strike, they’re saying attack, then dash before your attack lands

[cedar nexus]

Ngl it feels great tho

It feels like it's heavy

[inner geyser]

I always like doing a Cursed Slash build. Best sword hammer upgrade no question

[high island]

Hallowed Ground also disables most traps and lets you walk on magma.

[raw herald]

I'm not sure I would agree with that

[reef zodiac]

Wait. Cursed slash on Arthur? Ahhhh whyyy

[inner geyser]

When paired with the right boons I’m unkillabe lol

[reef zodiac]

Cursed Slash has got to be the worst hammer in the game right? Especially on Arthur

[cedar nexus]

Magma wait whaaaa

[raw herald]

At high heat you die in like 3 hits, 2 health per swing isn't going to save you

[chrome yoke]

Magma is my worst enemy

[cedar nexus]

Same

[cedar nexus]

I'm on god mode

[inner geyser]

Im not talking about high heat tho, my highest so far is only 6

[mortal sun]

I killed the hydra, didn't pay attention for a second then died from the magma

[reef zodiac]

Anyone is unkillable with an upgraded weapon and mirror on less than eight heat

[chrome yoke]

Same once

[high island]

Cursed Slash is not Flurry Slash, so it's fine.

[raw herald]

All hammers do well at low heats though, the ones that do well at high heat/speedruns are rated highly imo

[cedar nexus]

I like cursed slash but on nemesis

[inner geyser]

I mean if you’re really good at the game, sure. Not everyone is good enough to clear every run on low heat

[reef zodiac]

But Cursed Slash + Flurry Slash = ??

[cedar nexus]

[eternal marlin]

Fast Death.

[chrome yoke]

EM2 hydra arena is...

[raw herald]

bonk bonk bonk bonk dead

[reef zodiac]

The only situation where either of those boons are remotely decent is when you combine them

[cedar nexus]

[chrome yoke]

Magma go brrr

[reef zodiac]

Faster? I assume you are gonna say faster because it’s faster, which is why they use EM2 for speedruns iirc

[high island]

Hey, if I get Cursed Slash with AP2 immediately after being forced into Flurry Slash, at least I can reset faster.

[inner geyser]

I lost all 3 death defiances to magma once when my controller died while I was standing on it

[chrome yoke]

ooooof

[inner geyser]

I had a really good build that run too

[raw herald]

In my first sub 10 I lost a DD in magma after the Lernie fight because I was moving my switch to another room

[high island]

If you have Flurry Slash and do a Dash-Strike, you'll always do one Flurry Slash after your Dash-Strike.

[reef zodiac]

Is that a bad thing?

[high island]

That is, you can't not do it.

[raw herald]

Yeah

[inner geyser]

My best time is over 20 min

[raw herald]

It's not like flurry jab which just makes you do a ridiculous number of attacks

[inner geyser]

I mean I don’t try to speed run and play it safe but still it sucks lol

[raw herald]

20 mins is fine if you aren't trying to speedrun

[reef zodiac]

Do you think that double edge is the best hammer in the game? Like obviously there are situations where other hammers could do more but double edge is always absolutely incredible

[raw herald]

I'd say charged shot/flurry jab

[inner geyser]

Also I hate rail so I can’t get a super good time cause no cluster

[raw herald]

Many Beowulf players say that charged shot Beowulf is the single best weapon in the game

And flurry jab holds the anyheat wr

[inner geyser]

I main Beowulf and I disagree. I personally like going in for a bunch of melee damage after charging in for cast damage

[reef zodiac]

I personally love charged skewer Guan Yu but due to the health reduction it still isn’t that good

[chrome yoke]

i like that one that makes ur spear dash strike hit thrice

[high island]

Double Edge is like a decent hammer on a toothpick.

[raw herald]

True

[manic bobcat]

yeah DE is almost always worth it.

[reef zodiac]

Double edge is so stupid good literally always

[inner geyser]

Quick bull rush is insane on Beowulf

My fav for the aspect tbh

[chrome yoke]

What does it do? I forgot

[raw herald]

Dash strikes hit twice and do +20% damage

[chrome yoke]

Ah

[manic bobcat]

x2 x1.2

[raw herald]

Not quite

[high island]

It increases your Dash-Strike base damage from 0 to 1.

[reef zodiac]

Which is especially broken since dash strike is the way to go with sword

[high island]

So like.

[manic bobcat]

and most importantly, dash strike is spammable on dash

[high island]

Your Dash-Strikes actually do damage now.

[inner geyser]

Pair it with divine dash and bam you’ve got a run

[manic bobcat]

Hunter Dash if you are good

no crutch needed

[inner geyser]

Yea but I’m not good

So I’ll stick with Athena boons thanks lol

[reef zodiac]

I am pretty good and I’d still prefer Divine Dash but I recognize your joke lol

[raw herald]

Charged shot still allows you do do this, except now your bull rush does at least 160 damage which can crit for 600, and because it is so spammable then it is really powerful

[manic bobcat]

no no, always damage

[reef zodiac]

at low heat I’d prefer hunter dash actually. For the speed

[raw herald]

High heat sword? Couldn't be me

[manic bobcat]

can't unga bunga without damage

[inner geyser]

At high heat I always go shield

[reef zodiac]

Not high heat, just 20+ heat

[reef zodiac]

No offense but isn’t your highest heat 6?

[inner geyser]

Is 20+ not considered high-

[reef zodiac]

Not really

[raw herald]

32 is the starting point to what is considered high heat, which can seem daunting

[reef zodiac]

32 is still mid imo

[inner geyser]

8 with shield

[high island]

which can seem daunting
Which is precisely why that's high heat tbh.

[reef zodiac]

Exactly

[inner geyser]

I have an almost maxed mirror and stuff but I feel like I still don’t have enough progression to do heat that high

[lime echo]

32 heat sounds insane

[reef zodiac]

With nemesis sword, do I want Artemis attack or Aphrodite attack?

[high island]

Yes.

[reef zodiac]

It’s not that bad

[brisk trail]

artemis is cools with nemesis

[raw herald]

"yes" is the best answer

[manic bobcat]

it's not that bad, but it's also not mid

you need a bit of research prep if you want to tackle 32

[inner geyser]

I like to do Artemis attack & Aphrodite special for nemesis

[reef zodiac]

Not mid difficulty but mid in terms of heat

[high island]

I mean it's halfway between 0 and 64. That's pretty mid.

[raw herald]

But it's closer to 0 heat than 64 heat in terms of difficulty

Therefore: 32 heat = low heat

[manic bobcat]

welp, that sounds semantic but whatever

something something non-linear difficulty increase

[sand wraith]

But 32 heat is in the middle?

[inner geyser]

I thought I was okay at this game before this conversation lmao

[sand wraith]

Like

If you count 0 as a level and you go up until 64, there are 65 levels

[manic bobcat]

you still are. 32 heat is not the middle difficulty

[raw herald]

As heat increases linearly, difficulty increases exponentially because you eventually are forced to take really difficult pacts

[sand wraith]

And 32 is perfectly in the middle of that

[manic bobcat]

it is the hardest "intended" challenge

just stop gatekeeping lmao

[sand wraith]

Fair enough, I'm just saying :0

[steep bobcat]

finally did the divine pairings mission

took me so long

[brisk trail]

i think you should also consider what range most people are in, not just what the possible maximum is
i think that would make 32 high

[manic bobcat]

i avoided freezing vortex like a plague

[sand wraith]

Gatekeeping is a really strong word in this situation i think there is honestly just a multitude of ways to approach heat and what's considered difficult

[reef zodiac]

Just to be clear, I only meant that it was mid heat. Mid heat doesn’t mean it’s easy. I don’t expect to ever beat what I consider as high heat (40+)

[high island]

I mean some of the very best Hades players in the world are in the server. That doesn't mean you're bad at all.

[raw herald]

Anyway, a linear difficulty scale is not a good way of measuring it. 32 heat is difficult to all players when they first start trying high heat, therefore we consider 32 as the "starting point" of high heat.

[high island]

It's entirely up to the person whether they view 32 as high or low or mid or whatever. That's subjective.

[inner geyser]

I mean tbf you did kinda try and invalidate my opinion on what boons are good/bad because I haven’t cleared mid heat

[manic bobcat]

alright. maybe i understand mid differently. yes, technically it means in the middle as in 64/2=32.
but on the internet people usually use mid as a different meaning, as in mediocre, or bad.
whatevver, let's move on.

[sand wraith]

Yeye that makes sense i was just confused BCS of the word 'closer' lolol

[steep bobcat]

gonna go beat ||gunseus|| next to please poseidon

[high island]

High heat leaderboard starts at 32. That's not subjective.

[manic bobcat]

run eris and compare who's bigger

[reef zodiac]

Nah what I meant was that if this works for you at 0-6 heat that doesn’t mean it’s actually the best build (which is what you claimed it was)

[sand wraith]

Okay but please tell me i wasn't the only one who cried at ||Theseus with a gun||

[small parrot]

Extreme Measures 3

[steep bobcat]

i laughed so much when i saw it

[manic bobcat]

i hate the cow more. theseus just wants to joy ride

[small parrot]

Asterius is the bigger threat

[signal aspen]

Yeah bull man sucks

[manic bobcat]

but yeah, thematically rambo theseus is S tier

[small parrot]

Like, a lot of what EM Theseus throws out is so hilariously telegraphed, it's just easy procs of Ruthless Reflex

[sand wraith]

I screamed at my friends. They have the game for a longer time but they haven't seen that part yet and i was like 'PLEASE DO ONE RUN I CANT ... I CANT BE ALONE WITH THIS'

[reef zodiac]

Ruthless reflex?? Why…?

[small parrot]

Uh, why not?

[sand wraith]

For real tho ||Theseus was actually weirdly easier for me with frigging guns||

[small parrot]

Same

[reef zodiac]

Because you’re giving up mobility?

[small parrot]

Errr, okay

[reef zodiac]

Not saying you’re wrong I’m just curious why you choose to use it

[raw herald]

Ruthless reflex is a very strong buff if you can get used to having one dash, which honestly isn't even that bad on some weapons

[small parrot]

Depends really

[raw herald]

Like Beowulf with RR is fine imo

[small parrot]

I use Ruthless on Rail and Aspect of Gilgamesh

Aspect of Gilgamesh

[signal aspen]

Ruthless is good on gilg and shield

[reef zodiac]

Yeah Gilgamesh with RR is actually great

[inner geyser]

Maybe can we move some of this discussion to #h1-high-heat-strategies or something. I kinda just wanted to have a casual talk about the game after I got the true ending and I’m kinda feeling like im not welcomed here at my skill level

[reef zodiac]

Nobody is talking about high heat dude

[sand wraith]

Just manifest Hermes into you life with that Epic +3 dashes ✨ ✨ ✨

[thorn marsh]

8 dashes UwU

[high island]

@inner geyser no one was invalidating your opinion. You said "at high heat I always go shield" when you've never done anything that's generally considered "high heat" in the community. That's fair to point out. Doesn't mean that your idea that shield is good for high heat is wrong.

[small parrot]

Ruthless is also nice with Arthur

[sand wraith]

Eight... How .... How do you....

[small parrot]

Greatest Reflex + Gil probably

[raw herald]

Gilga with greater reflex and heroic greatest reflex

[small parrot]

CALLED IT

[reef zodiac]

8 would be the max possible

[raw herald]

It's just a shame that those dashes suck

[sand wraith]

I need that

[small parrot]

Nah

Overkill

[inner geyser]

I was talking more about how I said I like divine dash and cursed slash, and people were just saying that was for bad players/low heat only.

[sand wraith]

I like overkill

I don't really mean that it's useful i just

Need it

Emotionally

[reef zodiac]

Divine dash is always good especially at high heat btw
Not super high heat though, because it’s not speeding you up if you’re on a very tight deadline

[sand wraith]

I am dependent on 8 dashes

[raw herald]

Divine dash is good at high heats, but what was said about cursed slash was correct tbh

[small parrot]

Cursed Slash

[brisk trail]

divine dash is super rad
anyone who says it isn't good against those damn asphodel witches is a big fat liar

[raw herald]

It's just not the best choice when you could get double edge or something

[small parrot]

Is it because high heat has enemies that can just kill you before you can make use of the heal

I personally prefer Breaching Slash or Shadow Slash

[thorn marsh]

its because its a massive health reduction and u wanna dash strike on sword and it doesnt apply to dash strike i think

[raw herald]

Yeah, HL5 and BP2 can kill you real quickly if you only have 40% hp

[small parrot]

The one that pierces Armour, I forger

[inner geyser]

You guys a literally just proving my point rn while defending against it

[sand wraith]

I doesn't

[reef zodiac]

There’s no way anyone has ever said that, although if they had they would in fact be a liar. Possibly of the big and fat variety

[inner geyser]

All I’m asking is we move high heat discussion to the channel that is literally for that

[small parrot]

Cursed Slash is too risky, imo

Even on low heat

[sand wraith]

I feel like we're just casually discussing the game tho?

I'm not talking about high heat anyways

[small parrot]

And since I prefer Arthur, I don't want to be anywhere near that

[sand wraith]

The highest heat i did so far was 12 i am a baby okay 👏

[small parrot]

It's alright

[raw herald]

I think high heat strategies is more for advice for people who are currently in a run, or are planning to. Doesn't mean that we can't discuss hammers and their strengths/weaknesses in the general channel

[small parrot]

No one's pressuring you to go up to 32 or whatever

[reef zodiac]

High heat isn’t for everyone, and it takes a while to get up to heats that high

[small parrot]

I just got my 20 Heat run clear earlier

Yep

It's a big investment, and a big challenge

[inner geyser]

I mean to you guys it may seem casual but you’re much better players and I’m just feeling like everyone is talking down to me

[small parrot]

So if you don't enjoy it

Don't do it

There's still the story

[sand wraith]

I will probably do every possible heat with the gloves but after i did the spear once i will never touch it again /jk

[small parrot]

And it is a damn good story

[reef zodiac]

Remember that a lot of these people have way more time in the game

[lime echo]

@sand wraith Higher than me, i just beat heat 3 lol

[small parrot]

Wait wait wait wait

We don't have a Persephone Sticker?

[high island]

Cursed Slash can be very good when you still make a lot of mistakes in your run, as in, play far from optimal. But the better you get at sword, the less it does for you while the HP penalty remains. And then, there comes a point where it does a little more for you again. But mostly it just reduces your HP without giving you any DPS.

[sand wraith]

We i played a LOOOOOOT of transistor so honestly i was kind of familiar with the way the game would work

[stuck sentinel]

playing high heat == playing game alot

[brisk trail]

all i want is get to 16 heat for the achievement lol

[small parrot]

There isn't a 32 Heat achievement, is there?

[stuck sentinel]

there isnt

[brisk trail]

nope

[small parrot]

[brisk trail]

which i think is good

[small parrot]

Not ready for that lmao

[thorn marsh]

theres a useless 32 heat thing

[sand wraith]

Y'all are PC players right?

[small parrot]

The statue

Yeah

Also yeah, PC

[lime echo]

@sand wraith I just started playing the game like a week ago. I've no idea what anyone's talking about, just reading along 😄

[raw herald]

I've played 99% of my hours on switch

[thorn marsh]

PC with controller

[inner geyser]

Though when I’m quickly hitting my attacks it feels like my hp just doesn’t reduce, the trade off is really worth it imo

[small parrot]

Friend gifted it to me 2 weeks ago

[sand wraith]

I started playing two weeks ago but to be fair i grinded and again, i played transistor which is like the spiritual predecessor i feel so

[small parrot]

I'm gonna work on Malphon next

[high island]

Right. But if you're optimizing your DPS, you're virtually never using your normal Attack combo on sword.

[small parrot]

get it to 20

[inner geyser]

I started playing on launch but I took a very long break so I only have 70 hours

[small parrot]

Gilgamesh is very fun

The element of risk in Maim is just exciting

[sand wraith]

That's fair, i assume the game used to be VERY different at launch lol

[small parrot]

[high island]

I have a low... 1,107.7 hours in the game.

[inner geyser]

I’m not talking about optimizing dps. I’m not so great at the game so I generally optimize for survivabity

[sand wraith]

I sit at 55 hours i think

[raw herald]

Only minimal balance changes really, the bulk of the changes happened during early access

[lime echo]

@sand wraith Transistor game looks really cool, I might check it out

[inner geyser]

Wha- am I that bad. I have 70 hours but my highest heat is 8

[stuck sentinel]

What does Maim even do?

[sand wraith]

Transistor is so underrated and good, big recommend to anyone who enjoyed Hades

[small parrot]

Makes enemies take and deal more damage

[raw herald]

Maimed enemies do 50% more damage but take 25% more damage

[small parrot]

After a while, they'll take a burst of damage, like Doom

It stacks with Doom too

[stuck sentinel]

Ah ok

[small parrot]

So it's nice with Ares on special

[sand wraith]

I had experience due to transistor so honestly it makes sense

[stuck sentinel]

Seems very risky

[high island]

That's exactly what I said. It can be very good if you're not so good at sword (yet). Which is perfectly fine. It has its place.

[small parrot]

Yep

[stuck sentinel]

unless you're killing them super fast

[small parrot]

Which you can

Heartbreak to mitigate the Maim risk and grant a lot of damage

[high island]

I've seen Cursed Slash carry a lot of new players to their first win.

[sand wraith]

Is there a reason we don't talk about the rail gun or did i just not come up yet 🤔

[small parrot]

It just didn't come up

[inner geyser]

I mean I wouldn’t even consider myself bad with the sword, but from the perspective of one of the best players ofc I am.