broken needle
Serrated Point hits 3 times on Dash haha
#h1-discussion
peak zealot
serrated poit with +2/+3 dashes is so much fun
hollow tide
Is there any differences between running the game with DirectX, Vulkan, or 32-Bit
hollow hawk
you might get better performance running vulkan over directx in some situations
32bit limits the game to only use 4 gigs of ram, which i wouldnt recommend
also, some graphic cards dont support vulkan, hence you might have to use directx and vice versa
peak zealot
I mean, i think max title is like 300K darkness
I don't know if you have to do that though
brisk trail
not gonna go for that lol
unkempt sleet
As with any roguelike, Hades takes a lot of time to complete
brisk trail
but if I get it I get it
unkempt sleet
The infinite theme is actually good, but there are no bad themes so choose whichever one sounds fancier
peak zealot
or just go with no theme
unkempt sleet
That is also a choice
brisk trail
I got defiance again
peak zealot
I have a run going with athena dash, athena attack, aspect of gilgamesh, and a 30% attack speed buff, I'm pretty sure by alternating between attack sequence and dash attacks I can literally keep up a deflect shield 100% of the time
winter zinc
Haha gl
brisk trail
time to spam festive fog
peak zealot
I hope you are using aspect of poseidon and have a cast build going
winter zinc
I've taken that L with the third boss so I feel
brisk trail
I'm using zag shield
peak zealot
why? Do you actually like zag shield?
I may have just got my first ever clean hades fight. No damage
that was comically easy
brisk trail
it's the only one I have upgraded
peak zealot
Honestly, with this build, I'm pretty sure I could have done EM4 clean too. Hades literally couldn't get through defelct shiedl
I got 'hit' like 15 times
As is, it was a cool heat14
sorry heat11
@brisk trail I'm pretty sure I'd rather use a lvl1 zeus shield or beowulf shield than a lvl 5 zag shield. Maybe that is just me though
brisk trail
I only have 2 unlocked lol
peak zealot
lvl 1 chaos shield does kind of suck
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/Xvym2g4 rnjesus blesseth
brisk trail
I took it
peak zealot
and increases damage
brisk trail
for the prophecy
signal otter
is there a repository for fan site assets (like boon icons) somewhere, or do I just crawl it from the wiki or dig around in the game install location?
acoustic quartz
i think you can get it from wiki
peak zealot
I currently have all characters at max loyalty or whtaver, apart from upgrading companions, is there any real use for ambrosia other than converting it to titan blood?
acoustic quartz
the themes and titles i guess
but those are cosmetics
so i guess no?
im saving up for em tho since i like cosmetics
peak zealot
I have about 80 ambrosia. I'll probably burn half on titan blood
acoustic quartz
at that point just get the themes and max the companions imo
i need 4 more ambrosia and all my companions will be maxed
peak zealot
Shady is the clearly best companion though and I already have it maxed out
acoustic quartz
shady is bouldy one right
peak zealot
ya
peak zealot
I'd rather have the heals
acoustic quartz
i rarely need tons of heals on my runs now since im getting better at clearing rooms fast lmao
peak zealot
I agree, but I never need random 2k damage
deep ibex
the mirror upgrades are really op
peak zealot
bouldy is a panic button that makes it slightly easier to buy titan blood from super shop
deep ibex
i can almost always get to the third area
and i havent inproved that much tbh
since i keep playing different weapons
peak zealot
ya, mirror upgrades and weapon aspects make it pretty easy to always kill hades
acoustic quartz
bouldy is a panic button that makes it slightly easier to buy titan blood from s...
i guess lmao
imma use it during my farming runs actually
peak zealot
Its an extra 200ish gold over the course of the run
acoustic quartz
since i keep playing different weapons
i mean thats good since you are improving in everything
peak zealot
inlcuding the interest from floor transitions
signal otter
sometimes I wish I could use bouldy after an encounter
acoustic quartz
the strat is to use bouldy but never pick up the heals until after
peak zealot
the only thing I don't like about bouldy is that the gold/darkness can block attacks and movement for some reason
and there is lag when picking them up
high island
I agree, but I never need random 2k damage
It's 5k on Theseus & Asterius. That's big.
brisk trail
when you have so much aoe u accidently kill thesius first
acoustic quartz
i use battie to basically 1 shot 2nd phase of theseus lmao
peak zealot
I have been grinding against upgraded theseus & asterius for a while now. That fight is stupid easy at this point
acoustic quartz
and also deal with the annoying minibosses quickly
peak zealot
Upgraded theseus and asterius is actually easier than not upgraded IMO
acoustic quartz
mainly soul catcher and the styx ones
half zephyr
Upgraded theseus and asterius is actually easier than not upgraded IMO
it is
vapid narwhal
battie+full aphro call can insta kill Theseus during his call
acoustic quartz
Upgraded theseus and asterius is actually easier than not upgraded IMO
yea lmao
signal otter
unupgraded theseus is really annoying with the spear
acoustic quartz
EM3 theseus losing that shield makes it way easier
peak zealot
is that intentional? some kind of dev joke for three free heat?
acoustic quartz
asterius' upgrade isnt even game changing lmao
if you know about it you can easily dodge it
high island
EM3 is way harder than the normal fight once you add other pacts.
signal otter
I don't know tho, I feel like upgraded asterius is still a lot easier as a miniboss
peak zealot
It really isn't, and theseus downgrade makes him super easy to kill
signal otter
maybe the smaller room helps
vapid narwhal
eh EM3 Asterius isnt easy by any means
half zephyr
no, especially since Asterius telegraphs his moves
acoustic quartz
EM3 is way harder than the normal fight once you add other pacts.
i can see that
peak zealot
I can't remember the last time I died to EM3 asterius and theseus. I'm not sure its ever happened
acoustic quartz
yea FO EM3 asterius would probs be my nightmare
peak zealot
which one is FO?
acoustic quartz
faster attacks
peak zealot
ya, that could be hard
high island
The EM3 Asterius solo fight is very often a run ender at high heat because you don't have Acorn for that. Big reason the meta has been shifting towards Lucky Tooth for Elysium instead.
peak zealot
but even still, original theseus with forced overtime is harder than cart theseus so it probably balances out
peak zealot
and super predictable
high island
EM3 gives them more HP, anyway. So it takes longer.
I think both fights on their own are pretty free once you know the fights.
EM3 can be annoying on Malphon, though.
peak zealot
IDK, I don't like malphon in general
on the other hand, my last malphon run was trivial
turns out, athena attack + dash + 30% attack speed buff on aspect of gilgamesh lets you keep up a deflect effect seemingly 100% of the time by alternating between attacks and dash attacks
high island
Oh yeah. I used to run Divine Strike on Malphon all the time. Like I literally didn't play anything else lol.
Zag Fists, Divine Strike, Hunter Dash, Deadly Reversal, Support Fire.
Unfortunately Hunter Dash doesn't unlock Deadly Reversal anymore.
But you can take Deadly Flourish or True Shot instead.
And Support Fire and Hunter Dash have been nerfed a lot.
But it's still a very fun and safe build.
peak zealot
sounds cute.
vapid narwhal
yeah EM3 is annoying on melee
deep ibex
are u guys running dark foresight
peak zealot
I've been running favor. But foresight is probably better
deep ibex
omfg i keep forgetting the new aspect shield doesn't cast normally
vapid narwhal
if you are going for clears always run DF
god's favor or whatever the other one is called if you are farming mats
peak zealot
how about the legendary vs epic mirror upgrade
20% increased epic vs 10% increased legendary. What is the base legendary drop rate anyway?
vapid narwhal
iirc that row is duo vs legendary?
oh
yeah it's Epic vs Duo/Leg
take what you need. If your target build needs a certain leg/duo, use god's legacy
otherwise god's pride is equally good
stable hatch
Finally unlocked epilogue, 5 gods was enough actually.
winter zinc
Finally unlocked epilogue, 5 gods was enough actually.
I thought the same
vapid narwhal
||Demeter at heart lock counts as one so yes||
hollow hawk
Finally unlocked epilogue, 5 gods was enough actually.
you must've had dem at lock
stable hatch
The Demeter explanation works!
brisk trail
can you "double up" on duo boons, like, if you had ares special and aphrodite cast duo, can you then get aphrodite cast and dionysus attack duo
winter zinc
As long as they don't say incompatible on the wiki duo page
There are a few incompatible ones but they're usually intuitive
brisk trail
gotcha
winter zinc
Otherwise yes you can stack a lot of related ones
winter zinc
peak zealot
man, just had a really fun poseidon + zeus + aphrodite build. Poseidon call + yellow/pink duo. Every 5 seconds I got to pop a poseidon call for 2.5 seconds dealing 750 damage a hit
@deep ibex you have to deal damage at some point
collecting onions for lore entries feels terrible
half zephyr
Agreed
deep ibex
onions?
rapid forum
If you lose an erebus chamber, you'll get an onion
deep ibex
ah
rapid forum
peak zealot
so, the hidden spear aspect is just terrible right
the attack are all embarissingly slow and weak
vapid narwhal
3rd highest single hit damage in the game btw
hollow hawk
yeah but no one uses its attack
vapid narwhal
and it's ranged, and doesnt require special conditions
hollow hawk
its attack is too slow to even consider
hollow hawk
the ideal combo for it is to go special -> dash strike -> dash strike
vapid narwhal
because you dont need to pick it up
hollow hawk
the thing is, guan yu's special doesnt need recovery
so you can work wonders with charged skewer on it
vapid narwhal
^
hollow hawk
charged skewer is a hammer that lets you build your special for up to 200% dmg
also, you can spin in between enemy spawns to regain a bit of health every now and then
vapid narwhal
put poseidon or ares on the charge attack
peak zealot
so with a decent boon, that is still only like 300 damage on a charged attack
decent boon and best hammer
peak zealot
ya, with charged special and a decent special boon, you are still only doing 300 damage
that is miserable
hollow hawk
if you wanna learn how to play guan yu, you can watch some of astaos' VODs on twitch
he's a pretty amazing guan yu player
vapid narwhal
300 on a charge special without crit is high
like, really high
and this is before poms mind you
peak zealot
no, 300 is including poms
hollow hawk
poms or any global buffs like family fav
peak zealot
give or take
hollow hawk
anyway, if you dont want to use the aspect, no ones forcing ya.
peak zealot
IDK, artemis aspect lets me just dump casts for about a thousand damage in a similar amount of time with no hammer
hollow hawk
just saying, its an amazing aspect, but not for beginners
peak zealot
acheles I mean
hollow hawk
artemis aspect?
ah
achilles is a good aspect too, but guan yu is decent as well
also youre ignoring the dash strike part, with an attack boon like arty or aphro, and dash strike buffs from chaos/arty dash, its going to do an insane amount of dmg
vapid narwhal
peak zealot
the dash is only base 30 damage. its fine, its a typical dash
pretty much all weapons seem to have a comparable or better dash
trail pulsar
if im using zeus i can take eternal chamber right
since zeus doesnt affect attack damage anyways
peak zealot
eternal chamber? you mean chaos?
hollow hawk
if im using zeus i can take eternal chamber right
eh its still bad
since a lot of your dmg is from that ramp up
i wouldnt recommend eternal
even with zeus
hollow hawk
what other hammers did you get
trail pulsar
piercing and triple bomb
trail pulsar
ait ill try triple
peak zealot
I haven't really gotten the hang of the lucifer special either
is triple still good with lucifer special?
trail pulsar
have aphro on special first room just nuked everything lol
trail pulsar
its fun i actually hit things with special now
peak zealot
I wish there were more decent non slot boons so that shackle could be good
hollow hawk
there are good non-core boons though
take any of the calls, get billowing strength from zeus
arty's pp
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/o2L1m1K knocked 3 duos off my list in one run
whole vapor
Hi everyone,
.. I haven't clear a first run.. after 50ish attempt. I arrive now at the last part of the part of the game. But if i get to the final boss, it is with low health because i spent quite some of my health finding the s***. Is there a tip or hint where to find it directly when you arrive or it is really random ?
brisk trail
it's random
peak zealot
IDK, arty/athena/poseidon dash are all good. The rest of the boons you listed seem largely irrelevant buffs to dps
@hollow hawk
rapid forum
Hint no, prob the fastest way to get a sack is to enter the minibosses chamber first
peak zealot
I don't think its random
hollow hawk
its 55% chance to get a 2 sack
peak zealot
I don't think I've ever gotten a first room satyr sack. or a lst room
hollow hawk
first sack isnt possible
peak zealot
and I'm over a hundred runs in
hollow hawk
2 sack is the minimum
carmine parcel
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758940263367966720/824939121586733076/Screenshot_2263.png || i'm getting about to cry|| second phase|| i'm useless
hollow hawk
3 sack is like 30 chance iirc
hollow hawk
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758940263367966720/824939121586733076/S...
hide behind the pillars to dodge his lasers
brisk trail
does a friendly wager have to be done in one run?
hollow hawk
no
peak zealot
@whole vapor I generally clear an easy room, then focus boss rooms to try to get a free double upgrade
brisk trail
thank god
hollow hawk
you cant fight charon twice in one run
brisk trail
ok
peak zealot
satyr sack is something like 80% to be in room 2 or 3
brisk trail
but you need to beat him twice in a row
hollow hawk
i literally just said the chances above ramora
its not 80%
its 55% chance to get 2 sack
~30% 3 sack chance
peak zealot
so 85% 2 or 3?
peak zealot
so the min max strat is clear an easy room, then focus boss rooms
hollow hawk
the actual strat is to clear miniboss rooms first
peak zealot
to maximize the chances of satyr sack on a mini boss fight
brisk trail
incase you get heal second
hollow hawk
since theyre much easier
miniboss rooms are much easier once you know all the minibosses and know how to fight them
peak zealot
well, that might be true to. Miniboss rooms do seem to be easier
vapid narwhal
mini boss tunnel is easier than normal
carmine parcel
hide behind the pillars to dodge his lasers
doesn't matter i'm just complete garbage
hollow hawk
plus they prepare you better for the boss fight
hollow hawk
doesn't matter i'm just complete garbage
you reached the final boss, thats not garbage!
brisk trail
you'll get there evntually
vapid narwhal
only 47.6% of players successfully completed a run
peak zealot
@carmine parcel if you aren't using accorn for the hades fight, consider spending a few runs upgrading it, dodging 5 hits is a massive increase to survivability
carmine parcel
thanks
half zephyr
doesn't matter i'm just complete garbage
Have you considered turning on god mode until you get a hang of the enemy patterns?
It only adds 20% dmg resistance (with +2% every death until max 80%)
It doesn’t change anything else about the game, and it’s really nice for learning how things work & move
It’s a toggle
vapid narwhal
if you managed to get to the final boss, you can beat him
half zephyr
So you can turn it on/off during the run too
carmine parcel
Have you considered turning on god mode until you get a hang of the enemy patter...
i have it on 38% i only put it on for final boss
half zephyr
i have it on 38% i only put it on for final boss
Then you can do it!
vapid narwhal
if you can beat Elysium boss without god mode you can do the final boss
he is easier
carmine parcel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790994204624420888/824941241946734622/Screenshot_2264.png what is good to upgade here?
peak zealot
in general, I think the easiest strat for 0 heat and new players is to use poseidon blade. Dump your casts then dash in for a special when safe then dash out. Focus on keeping distance and dealing damage 1000 poins at a time
half zephyr
Once you learn his patterns you’ll be taking him out every time
brisk trail
@carmine parcel There's no wrong choice on what to upgrade
so choose whatever sounds cool
carmine parcel
ok
peak zealot
I mean, some aspects are noticeably weaker than others in terms of needed hammers/boons to make them viable
but ya, you can beat hades with anything
brisk trail
well maybe on high heats
brisk trail
if we're talking beating the game you can do anything
half zephyr
While Eris is great at any lvl
peak zealot
if we are talking lvl1 aspects, I like poseidon blade and zeus shield
carmine parcel
thanks for the help
peak zealot
both do the thing you need at lvl 1
brisk trail
something really useful, when you do start spending more titan blood, you can always just quit the game as long as you haven't left the room and you'll go back in time to where you had just entered it
peak zealot
pretty much all the other aspects really want to be upgraded fully
I'm pretty sure you can buy an aspect, start a run and as long as you give up the run, it will reset to just before you walked into your weapon area meaning your purchase will be refuneded
I don't think you need to quit the game fully
brisk trail
No, just need to go the main menu
peak zealot
I don't think you even need to do that, just give up the run and it will go back in time
brisk trail
I just meant when you're in the courtyard by skelly
vapid narwhal
giving up reverts you back to the court
peak zealot
giving up also lets you see your starting boon/hammer before your run, which is useful information if you are trying to choose a weapon to use
peak zealot
IDK, it didn't seem that bad. I think I beat em4 on second attempt
brisk trail
nice
deep ibex
whta does em stand for
peak zealot
his attacks don't change much from my memory, just make sure you break pots
rapid forum
Extreme Measure
peak zealot
@deep ibex its a challenge that makes the bosses harder. EM4 makes all 4 bosees harder
deep ibex
its in the heat meter thing?
rapid forum
Ye
peak zealot
ya
rapid forum
The pact
brisk trail
part of it
deep ibex
ah ok
peak zealot
If they changed health pools, I didn't notice it
brisk trail
cool
rapid forum
Well he's certainly harder to hit
peak zealot
who is harder??
peak zealot
is he? does he dash more often or something on EM4? I didn't notice. It was just kind of annoying to track him with the fog
It would be cool to have an EM5 that adds a forced chiron fight
or a seperate pact measure entirely I guess
rapid forum
The move variation is a lot more unpredictable
At least for me
And I've fought him like idk 100 times?
Never counted 
peak zealot
You would know better than I would. I've only done EM4 like three times and then moved to other options for heat
peak zealot
ya, FO in general is obnoxious
brazen lagoon
Eh not really
rapid forum
FO1 is fine
brazen lagoon
It's a lot easier once you get used to it
peak zealot
its weird that the first 7 heat or so are basically free. EM3 makes bosses essentially easier and tight deadline removes the annoying timer rooms and is just a ton of time for any run.
brisk trail
yo ppl who do higher heats, do you aim for specific builds or just take the best of what you get and roll with it
peak zealot
what is higher heats?
like 20? 30?
I'm up to about 20 and tend to check my first boon, then pick a weapon that synergizes with it, then just roll with what I get from there
brisk trail
like past 20
peak zealot
well, I'm not really there yet
vapid narwhal
past that into mid-high heat territory you will need to aim for specific things
as min max matters at that level
brisk trail
whats generally considered to be the best aspect for each weapon
signal aspen
my favorites are nem sword, achilles spear, zeus shield, chiron bow, dem fists, and eris rail
peak zealot
Personally, I enjoy cast builds. My favorite aspects are
aspect of poseidon (get good cast, dump casts, special, repeat. Pretty easy to chunk for 1000 damage on dumping casts)
aspect of achilles (same idea as poseidon but you increase damage using special and need the hermes boon for fast drops or some other backup strat)
aspect of zeus (giant hit boxes are fun)
aspect of hera (same as poseidon)
aspect of zagreus (I don't like any fist but zag is fine I guess)
aspect of hestia (sniping is so much fun. eris is better though)
stable hatch
Can I force roll Patroclus chamber with dice?
signal aspen
no
you cant roll a pat chamber
shops and special rooms are "unalterable'
so you cant
stable hatch
Urf. Any tips on encountering him or just RNG?
signal aspen
rng
rapid forum
RNG
peak zealot
honestly, I avoid him at this point
stable hatch
Doing the storyline
peak zealot
well, ya, just kind of have to go chat with him I guess. From experience, I'd say I had the chance to see him between 1/3 and 1/2 of runs. I'm not sure if anyone else has better stats
quartz garden
he is bound to murphy‘s law. When you are full health, have all your DDs and playing a build focused around your special or throw ability he will show up 99%.
When you really need him, he is never there, from my experience 
sleek grail
around 40% chance
woven nacelle
Do I want athena’s special or athena’s call
tight cave
he is bound to murphy‘s law. When you are full health, have all your DDs and pla...
Thankfully he showed up for my 20-heat run. Lost a DD to a chariot in Elysium, got a Kiss of Styx in a well somehow, lost that DD to a shield guy in the following room, then thankfully one of the next rooms was Pat. One of the most tense moments in any run so far for me.
rapid forum
Do I want athena’s special or athena’s call
what are you playing?
personally I'd pick call
signal aspen
call
quartz garden
Thankfully he showed up for my 20-heat run. Lost a DD to a chariot in Elysium, g...
Did you win or lose to daddy in the end? I rarely lose any DD before Elysium, but have lost all 3 of them easily many times in it. Even normal rooms in elysium can be hard depending on heat imo. It feels like elysium really puts the current state of your build on a test. I either end up having all DDs after it or dying to the heroes (EM3 is also a big factor).
tight cave
Did you win or lose to daddy in the end? I rarely lose any DD before Elysium, bu...
I won actually, thanks to a ridiculously powerful Crystal Beam build.
I think I finally got Crystal Clarity literally in Styx, which was the missing piece I had been looking for all the run. Upped my damage considerably.
Looking through replies to the BAFTA's tweet announcing Hades getting GOTY, and the salt from the The Last of Us Part II fans is highly amusing.
rapid forum
crystal clarity build is good
signal aspen
crystal beam is insane
woven nacelle
I just need to try to be a lot more passive, I think
Dodge into the spin, utilize the walls, etc.
unborn remnant
zagreus
oblique sun
zagreus
undone oar
he handsome
carmine ravine
you should try to not die
silk radish
Thanks hypnos
unborn remnant
thank you hypnos
brisk trail
woooo I've found every boon in the game
brisk trail
hunting blades
oblique sun
i used the 15 ambrosia to buy the lovely theme from contractor lol
oblique sun
m m m m
once you're done with nectar you can start trading it for diamonds and then more ambwosia
brisk trail
yeah I plan to
brisk trail
just then?
I killed myself
i forgot to switch back to death defiance
I had to use stubborn to get a thing from charons well for a prophecy
oblique sun
oh yeah, touch of styx
i guess you're just going for as many prophecies as possible now
for that prophecy, i also did the dark mirror prophecy, i used every ability that i never used before at once
brisk trail
yeah I did that too and somehow managed to win
last heart
Strange to me that Sisyphus, who in myth and history was an absolute horrible bastard of a person, is such a sweetheart in this game. I keep expecting him to do something treacherous (although I can't imagine what a prisoner in Tartarus could do to hurt me).
acoustic quartz
guys are there any tips for EM4 hades
i keep getting to ||the 3rd phase with basically no health lmao||
brisk trail
does hades call give you invulnerability or just invisibilty
signal aspen
but at 50% you will cancel invisibility when you attack
brisk trail
oooo ok
grand shale
I still find more use in other calls
like athena, or demeter, or artemis, or even aphrodite
those are the best calls imo
signal aspen
hades call is better athena
grand shale
THE WHAT
carmine ravine
why use athena call when u can use poseidon lol
grand shale
why use athena call when u can use poseidon lol
because you cant attack during poseidon
signal aspen
poseidon has some crazy damage too
carmine ravine
u can get crazy damage yeah
carmine ravine
thats hardly a problem
grand shale
meh
carmine ravine
artemis and phro is mostly for boss fights, zeus call is the most consistent one for wave clear and damage sustain
grand shale
man yall are so technical
you probably care about frame data when you play smash lol
carmine ravine
its common sense, we not even going to any graph
signal aspen
jokes on you, i dont even play smash
grand shale
***jokes on you, i dont even play smash***
cring
grand shale
yes
grand shale
it was so cringe
signal aspen
oh no
grand shale
gottem
signal aspen
jokes on you, i play brawlhalla
signal aspen
i play brawl because i dont have a switch
brisk trail
I got diamond last seas
signal aspen
if i did then i would play smash
carmine ravine
i played brawlhalla for a bit, it felt boring imo, probably coz i played by myself, so i think smash isnt for me too
grand shale
i play brawl because i dont have a switch
ay bro same here, I play smash for 3ds cuz i dont have a switch and my wii u is old and i gave away my wii to my sister in laws family
the 3ds is a dead platform 
brisk trail
whats so desirable about aspect of hera, what you you gain by loading casts
stoic violet
Imagine not playing every platform fighter.
signal aspen
damage
brisk trail
explain
signal aspen
i one shot alectos phase with artemis cast
brisk trail
how is it better than a regular cast
signal aspen
shoot them all at once
stoic violet
You get neato arrows. Shiny shiny color arrows that kill people quick
brisk trail
so ur cast damage stacks with attack damage?
brisk trail
thats actually sick
stoic violet
You just duck tape as many casts to an arrow as you want and fire em into someone
Works well with the cast number up boons I'm sure.
signal aspen
5 cast hera is insane
signal aspen
no
that is not a boon
but hermes has a boon where when you call you move faster and have increased dodge chance
stoic violet
I thought there was a boon for making casts fall out....
signal aspen
nah
stoic violet
Was it only the obol pool or whatever it's called? I don't remember names of things
stoic violet
Where do you get drop cast faster?
signal aspen
oh
i am dumb
i am used to using stygian
but there is a boon that makes casts drop out
faster
i ignore hermes a lot
carmine ravine
or u can use poseidon sword
carmine ravine
but there is a boon that makes casts drop out
i think its hermes legend iirc
vapid narwhal
Hermes has both
Quick Reload reduces bloodstone drop time, Greater Recall lets them automatically return to you
carmine ravine
ye i mistaken on the legend boon
carmine ravine
kek
signal aspen
yes
carmine ravine
are you doing base em4 or what
olive pasture
best aspect for Shield?
heady stream
Beowulf for speed, though. Really hard to learn, though
signal aspen
yeah
desert meadow
Chaos (leveled) is probably the easiest of the non zag options to learn
But all three are unique
acoustic quartz
are you doing base em4 or what
yea
rn im just using EM4 MM and TD1 on every run
doing well on everything but the hades fight lmao
carmine ravine
i think i did base em4 a little slow yea, i even lost 1 of my 4 dd
silk radish
If I have cross saves to epic store (I exclusively play on switch...now), and I transfer and boot up on pc, will the achievements automatically apply?
stable hatch
Two quick questions:
Which summon is best to chip huge chunks of bosses? I often hear Meg but Than does more dmg.
Any specific lounge renovations I need to do to continue Dusa story?
Thanks!
signal aspen
Two quick questions:
Which summon is best to chip huge chunks of bosses? I often...
Meg is better in most situations but than does more damage, i would recommend meg. buy the expensive ones for the lounge
desert meadow
Than does more damage but Meg comes out a lot faster and is easier to hit because of it.
silk radish
I believe one of the renovations has to be a rug upgrade
signal aspen
once you buy all the expensive ones just keep buying things
signal aspen
I believe one of the renovations has to be a rug upgrade
cool
carmine parcel
I WON
signal aspen
nice
carmine ravine
what did you win
carmine parcel
the game
signal aspen
there is a lot more after your first clear
carmine ravine
you finished your first run i assume, congrats
brisk trail
I got vicious cycle at random, wasn't even going for it, well gg
I just got 3 extra dashes
heady stream
If I have cross saves to epic store (I exclusively play on switch...now), and I ...
Most achievements, yes, but some specific ones that only get verified once you’re in a run you’ll have to do on Steam. Things like using a god call against them in a trial. You will need to get that one on Steam. But all story progression achievements you should get immediately, yeah
carmine parcel
you finished your first run i assume, congrats
thank you
carmine parcel
there is a lot more after your first clear
yes i know
silk radish
Well darn, but thanks @heady stream
brisk trail
yay I beat hades without dying again :D
signal aspen
nice
signal aspen
nah they got banned
brisk trail
groovy
echo halo
aspect of chiron has to be the easiest to build and play with right?
doesnt take much boons for special to hit for >600
1 button 600 dmg, bosses just melt
meanwhile...idk how to build sword at all
no standout builds
desert meadow
Have you tried Poseidon?
It's a cast weapon, pretty easy to get a good build going with it
echo halo
so knockback boons on special and cast, +more posideon knockback dmg boons?
i guess i can try that
heady stream
Or just Nemesis in general once you get enough practice with it. Arty on attack for tons of crits, double edge works amazing as a hammer, heart rend can also be sick if you heartbreak flourish, etc.
unborn remnant
In your opinion, what is the easiest build in the game
desert meadow
To get the boons for or to use?
unborn remnant
to use
desert meadow
ME fists
signal aspen
I was gonna say HR chiron
desert meadow
That too
signal aspen
noobs dont understand ME
desert meadow
It's just dash attacking with the fists though
signal aspen
but they dont understand
the first time i tried ME i completely failed
the first time i tried HR i destroyed things
desert meadow
Fair
echo halo
what the expected number of hours required to complete all storylines?
signal aspen
50+
echo halo
thx
brisk trail
I'm at 67 hrs rn and I'll probably be done with story around 80-90
desert meadow
I'm at 160 but I've been avoiding parts of it for ages now to grind resources
brisk trail
ummm most cthonic gods r done, getting there with olympians
desert meadow
Why not?
signal aspen
takes a "long time"
desert meadow
It's not that bad
high island
no standout builds
Merciful End, Heart Rend, and Deadly Reversal are the go-to builds.
For Stygius.
craggy barn
don't you mean fists
half zephyr
I have a 38% dodge chance :D
Plume?
brisk trail
plume and epic evasion
grand crystal
plume with zag fists is a trip
oblique sun
dodge from hermes always gives multiple of 5 and zag aspect is 15
grand crystal
ive gotten like 60 evade before
half zephyr
Then don’t forget to keep it on
grand crystal
and you can hit 100%
oblique sun
i always play zag fists plume, best thing i got is 65%, multiple times
half zephyr
The second you remove plume that bonus is gone
oblique sun
without second wind*
could get 70 with heroic greater evasion i guess, and a few more % if i do more encounters
grand crystal
and with a few other things you can break 100
like ruthless reflex
or the near miss hermes one that ik exists
half zephyr
That he knows exists
brisk trail
hey guys, do 2 of the same chaos boons stack?
oblique sun
no there's nothing like that plum
yeah infantasyde
you can get multiple of the same boon
multiple strikes for more +% attack damage
grand crystal
no there's nothing like that plum
i thought there was :/
half zephyr
There’s a Hermes boon that has it so you get dodge chance after you get hit
grand crystal
eh its been a few weeks since ive played so
oblique sun
nope, just went into wiki, typed in "dodge" and only got 2 boon results: second wind and greater evasion
brisk trail
https://imgur.com/JEFIxFU bro look at this...
half zephyr
Can’t remember names
oblique sun
take it
brisk trail
I have double edge too
grand crystal
eww hidden rewards 🤮
brisk trail
I KNOW
oblique sun
greater evasion is more dodge%, second wind is after using call, gain dodge% and speed%
brisk trail
but damge broooo
grand crystal
greater evasion is more dodge%, second wind is after using call, gain dodge% and...
ahh i was thinking of second wind
oblique sun
i like hidden preview rewards when i'm about to finish an area
brisk trail
I'm taking it
oblique sun
because boss and stairs to mid-path and stairs to next area count as previews too
so it's free
desert meadow
I assume no core boons due to forced purging?
desert meadow
Not even via heat?
oblique sun
also geez level 4 urge to kill
there is underworld customs but they don't have it on
desert meadow
ah
oblique sun
you can check top bar for heat
desert meadow
Still unfamiliar with each icon/names though but true
brisk trail
does deflect work against all attacks?
brisk trail
wow that's kinda nuts
oblique sun
like hades skull, or his (em4 spoilers) ||spear chuck||, despite being projectiles, they won't deal dmg to him
woven nacelle
I love Hermes sm
Got an extra 2 dodges from him
And athena’s dodge boon
Also unrelated but @brisk trail your name is 1000% correct.
woven nacelle
Dashes, mb
oblique sun
it's okay lol
raw cloak
brisk trail
hey can i ask a kinda stupid question?
does supergiant games count as an Indie game company?
what is the definition of "indie"
bronze flint
It means a game that was mainly worked on by a few people
trail pulsar
no it means self published
bronze flint
Also did you know that when skelly and Zagreus talk to each other it’s just Daren Korb taking to himself?
@trail pulsar I actually didn’t know that thanks
I was taught wrong I guess
trail pulsar
yh it comes from independent
grand crystal
Also did you know that when skelly and Zagreus talk to each other it’s just Dare...
yea and cerberus is voiced by 4 dogs
trail pulsar
its kinda a genre in music at this point tho lol and has lost a bit of its meaning
somber star
This should be a good enough definition:
An independent video game or indie game is a video game typically created by individuals or smaller development teams without the financial and technical support of a large game publisher, in contrast to most "AAA" (triple-A) games. However, the "indie" term may apply to other scenarios where the development of the game has some measure of independence from a publisher even if a publisher helps fund and distribute a game, such as creative freedom. Because of their independence and freedom to develop, indie games often focus on innovation, experimental gameplay, and taking risks not usually afforded in AAA games, and may explore the medium to produce unique experiences in art games. Indie games tend to be sold through digital distribution channels rather than at retail due to lack of publisher support. The term is synonymous with that of independent music or independent film in those respective mediums.
bronze flint
A tl;dr?
grand crystal
small budget without major support
bronze flint
Ok thanks
grand crystal
also more passion led and more liberal with design choices
somber star
And more places to take risks
bronze flint
True
grand crystal
hence better than AAA lol
bronze flint
Yea
grand crystal
since those risks are what lead to amazing gameplay
bronze flint
Yeah, AAA games are good but I’ve played indie games that were much better
trail pulsar
theres some vey creative aaa games like the half life games and a lot of nintendo games especially, but in general with that level of funding u want safe projects
bronze flint
Yeah
grand crystal
but since the projects are corporate they lose any major design changes
they have to make money, not just make it and get it out
bronze flint
My favorite rogue like is hades, second fav is dead cells
M thinking about getting bastion, is it worth it?
I’m
trail pulsar
just go the cdpr route and make a aaa game for cheap by underpaying and overworking ur employees in a country with lower wages 🧠
hallow gate
You can use the codex to see what boons you need to get those duos
bronze flint
Actually I’m going to save up for splatoon 3
deep ibex
just go the cdpr route and make a aaa game for cheap by underpaying and overwork...
sad but true
runic sparrow
Question: Does Calisthenics Program affect boss health as well, or just regular mobs?
runic sparrow
Good maybe dad won't melt so hard with the reight build
To quote Ares' Greater Call, "Suffer and Die"
tranquil hollow
anyone got tips on dealing with the elite perk where enemies give each other stacks of resisting a hit? im trying to run 32 heat and ive had a couple runs killed by rooms of enemies that build up immunity faster than i can damage them
grand crystal
for that zotoh you need good aoe and or just big attacks
i.e. bow special can kind of solve for that
but mostly it comes down to being fast and smart about what you hit
rapid agate
please send help
i got bow to 9 heat
but every other weapon hasn't even beaten the game
at least i got rail to final boss
runic sparrow
nothing wrong with preferring to 'main' one weapon
modern garnet
What parts of the bow do you like the best? I'm sure you can find a similar weapon
The way I use bow is a lot like spear or shield
oblique sun
i only started using other weapons after beating 16 heat with fists
grand crystal
The way I use bow is a lot like spear or shield
me over here who uses bow close up :3
cuz like
point blank shot is crazy
grand crystal
hehe triple/twin with point blank is crazy
desert meadow
Zag apparently can't tell a wall painting apart from the real thing lol
What a way to go
opaque radish
oof
Hades with max EM
oof, I was like "that can't be" and yep, sure enough, it was LOL
rapid agate
What parts of the bow do you like the best? I'm sure you can find a similar weap...
safety
oblique sun
well shield sounds safe since it's.. a shileld
modern garnet
Shield can block more than you think
And spear can hit farther than you think
Shield can't block red skeleton waves :(
modern garnet
Builds can be safe and fun
oblique sun
Shield can't block red skeleton waves :(
i'm like 60% sure it can
the projectile won't disappear
you'll get kb
but you won't take dmg
peak zealot
Shield is less safe than athena fists
wooden root
I know this is really sort of picky... but who would I contact about grammatical errors that make me cringe more often than I'd like?
wooden root
Namely when you ||sell boons back and Zag says, "That's one less boon."||
I mean, is it a bug, though?
peak zealot
is that even wrong?
wooden root
It absolutely is.
peak zealot
cause it should be fewer?
wooden root
Indeed.
grand crystal
you also have to think that this is dialogue
not an essay
the characters are saying this
wooden root
That's what I thought when it happened in the dialogue for story portions.
peak zealot
well, errors in text are definitely bugs. Whether or not "less" and "fewer" still exclusively mean what you think they mean is antoher question
wooden root
And you're probably right. Most people don't use fewer
grand crystal
and i mean they had it voiced out so :/
peak zealot
ya, just assume zag is an idiot
mystic steeple
Guys, I'm pretty sure we all know what the best part of Hades is
wooden root
Full disclosure - I'm definitely in love with this game.
desert meadow
Technically, it should be fewer, yeah, but more people use less tbh.
peak zealot
after all his tutor was achilles, not plato
wooden root
It's just a little picky thing.
mystic steeple
Petting Cerberus
peak zealot
achilles would definitely say less
wooden root
I feel better now, thanks guys.
peak zealot
dog pets are definitely the best.
wooden root
Feels bad for the other heads, though.
peak zealot
eh... one really doesn't like to be touched and the other is indifferent
only one head is best boi
compact badger
yea and cerberus is voiced by 4 dogs
Do you know what the breeds are? SGG's 🐶 ?
mystic steeple
Wait, is it confirmed that ||nobody in the Underworld is allowed to sit other than Hades and Cerberus?||
Sorry, I don't know if that's considered a spoiler or not
worthy egret
I always thought it was just Zag being sitn't
But now all i can hear is
GET RID OF THE COUCHES WE CAN'T LET PEOPLE KNOW WE SIT
compact badger
Is there a channel for Hades tournies?
timid grove
imagine if they put zag in smash
oblique sun
you just use death defiance and never lose
grand crystal
~~you just use death defiance and never lose~~
stocks are dds lol
oblique sun
idk what that is
grand crystal
he gets a special death animation like megaman
oblique sun
i know nothing about smash
oblique sun
i just know you fight to death
flat bane
Wait, is it confirmed that ||nobody in the Underworld is allowed to sit other th...
Uh... orpheus?
...and another guy I can't remember in zone 3.
flat bane
He's lounging on a chair
oblique sun
i think orphy sits-
oblique sun
when orphy is on the chair you're not given the choice to press E "Sit?" at all because it's occupied?
idk
mystic steeple
I mean, ya also don't get that option with Hypnos, and he says he floats above it
peak zealot
in other news, does anyone know if cast buffs change the lightning damage from zues/artemis duo boon?
also, rocket bomb + cluster bomb is just the nuts
grand crystal
in other news, does anyone know if cast buffs change the lightning damage from z...
the damage from that is set i believe at the number it says when you get it
peak zealot
new question, does storm lightning (chain lightning effects bounce more) affect the zeus cast?
Isuppose I'll find out maybe
grand crystal
yes it does
since the cast is chain lightning
its affected by boons that mess with chain lightning
hallow peak
Question
I am missing one character from cthonic colleagues on the prophecy challenge scroll
grand crystal
mhm
hallow peak
Could I dm someone the picture so they can tell me who I am missing
grand crystal
yea sure just dm me since im here :3
deep ibex
im missing someone too i think its a character unlocked later
cause its not in the hub or the underworld
hallow peak
Im thinking ||chaos||
deep ibex
nope
modern garnet
That character does have a thingy
modern garnet
Wait, colleagues...
peak zealot
dusa took like 10 ambrosia I think. Weird that it took so much more than other characters
grand crystal
i think giving her ambro is flavored as "its for the lounge as well"
not too sure
||you get to choose if you want them back after you forge bond tho||
peak zealot
oh, I assumed asking for them back would cause some negative thing
Guess I just lost 8 ambrosia or whatever
grand crystal
yea nothing bad happens for getting them back
which i really appreciate
both romance choices and that have no affect on the relationship
it stays how it developed to be :3
so there is no wrong choice
hallow peak
HOLY CRAP ||pom blossom|| sounds super op
peak zealot
its good. I don't think its OP
modern arch
Yeah it gets when maxed to 4 rooms
hallow peak
op is fun
peak zealot
its odd that "encoutners" are so inconsistent
pom blossom counts the mini chambers, the feather and damage upgrader don't
and its weird that some trinkets just get wiped out by switching away from them
hallow peak
and its weird that some trinkets just get wiped out by switching away from them
Never had that happen but that sounds very frustrating
grand crystal
yea to really get any benefit from plume or butterfly you need to dedicate the whole run to it
while mom pom you can just take it for styx and get a nice buff
peak zealot
Its really just those two and the hades trinket right? the rest of them just do the thing as long as they are equipped
and by do the thing, I mean grant some lasting benefit when you equip them
where as those three only grant benefit while they are equipped
just seems weird
modern garnet
Is pom blossom in tartarus as good as I think it is? Putting levels in your earliest boons seems great
peak zealot
if you can stomach starting your run to see if you get a good starting boon then giving up if you whiff, pom blossom at start is good in the cases where you get a good starting boon
even then, the 20 lvls or whatever that you get from pom blossom for a whole run really aren't that much better than the +50-70% damage that you get from a whole run with the attack up trinket
grand crystal
especially since poms scale in a way that makes lots of em bad unless its like dio attack or smth
brisk trail
If that’s so does anyone know where hades got?
hades won
brazen lagoon
Like 5 awards
peak zealot
is bafta year calendar year? so hades won for best game of 2020?
brazen lagoon
I wouldn't say it's flawless but what little problems it has are so miniscule no one even notices it
brazen lagoon
is bafta year calendar year? so hades won for best game of 2020?
Ye
peak zealot
I think hades has some clear flaws, but they are generally minor and it is a really innovative and fun game
craggy barn
HOLY CRAP ||pom blossom|| sounds super op
not quite op really, unless you're not going for a really specific build
peak zealot
even if you aren't going for a specific build, its comparable to the other sclaing boons
honestly, the boon I personally think is most unerated is the bone hourglass. its just so high variance what you can get from shops
underrated
compact badger
I kinda dislike that after 10 escapes ||you can't go to the garden anymore. But that's maybe a "remember things aren't everlasting", so maybe I shouldn't dislike it that much||
craggy barn
i personally tend to only ever take god keepsakes or just acorn
god keepsakes are more important to a build than they seem once you understand how the game picks out gods for you
peak zealot
depends on the build
craggy barn
acorn is just invaluable for bosses
peak zealot
some aspects just don't ask for much and will go with basically anything
acorn is great
modern garnet
I'm still focusing on prophecies and god trinkets help with those
peak zealot
honestly there are probably about a dozen useful trinkets, and the rest arejust garbage as far as I can tell
grand crystal
I kinda dislike that after 10 escapes ||you can't go to the garden anymore. But ...
no you can :/
theres several dialogue bits in the garden and mom shows up there every once in a while