h1-discussion

[brazen lagoon]

its always gonna be twin shot

[acoustic quartz]

i just dont like twin shot ok

the slow charge up

[signal aspen]

nah

[silk river]

I really dislike sniper because often times I don't fully charge it or have the enemy at a long enough range

[acoustic quartz]

maybe im just impatient

[signal aspen]

not slow charge up

[brazen lagoon]

its not even that slow

[signal aspen]

short range

[brazen lagoon]

just dash strike

[acoustic quartz]

right the range

i dont like the range

[acoustic quartz]

i got explosive and twin on rama and dash striked everytime

died

[brazen lagoon]

get good

[acoustic quartz]

😔

only bow i am good at is chiron

and thats cuz you can cheese it easily

[silk river]

God, that was a tough fight

I had all common boons, twin shots, and explosive. Was down to 0 DD's and 10 hp, but still beat hades

I had to be in melee range the whole time to do anything lol

[acoustic quartz]

congrats

those tense clears are the best ones imo

[craggy barn]

what hammers can you not get with explosive shot?

[signal aspen]

uh

the fast firing hammer

idk

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Heart-Seeking_Bow#Upgrades

[brisk trail]

first run with arthur and I murdered everything

I don't think I can go back to regular sword

[timber dove]

Still not had a single Artemis yet in this bow run 😦

upto change 18

[signal aspen]

just grab her keepsake

[acoustic quartz]

thats arthur for you

high damage boyo

[silk river]

God I wasted so much time with this curse!!!

Rama bow again, and figured i could deal without using special for 3 encounters... took me 4 minutes lol

[signal aspen]

what

what does your rama build look like

[silk river]

Well, I was out of rolls, and nothing else was good. No attack boon, at the start of asphodel, and it offered me a 102% dash strike buff

[signal aspen]

bruh

what

what was your keepsake

[silk river]

Coin purse lol

[signal aspen]

bruh

grab artemis

and aphro special

easy 1 hit kills

[silk river]

I just found epic aphro attack

[signal aspen]

good

now find artemis

[silk river]

Why?

[signal aspen]

because

it is good with rama

[silk river]

But I got an epic zeus on special

[signal aspen]

no

wait

f

i thought you had aphro special

[brazen lagoon]

well thats still good

zeus special do be hittin

[silk river]

aphro attack

[signal aspen]

bruh

it can still do damage

also zeus isnt that good with rama special

[brazen lagoon]

aphro attack scales very well

[signal aspen]

because of lightning cooldown

[brazen lagoon]

still works pretty well

i tried it

[timber dove]

https://imgur.com/a/dUYo9plthe worst boons 😦

[signal aspen]

what

i dont go around clicking random links

[timber dove]

I only got deadly flourish, trueshot and pressure points

[signal aspen]

those are the worst boons?

[timber dove]

pressure points seems the best

[signal aspen]

i have no idea what you are talking about

[timber dove]

the boons I got from artemis

the link I posted

[signal aspen]

nice

that is definitely a valid link

[acoustic quartz]

page cant be found lmao

[silk river]

Emergency hades fight strat's, pray the lasers dont hit you as you sit at point blank range

[acoustic quartz]

if you stand at the very center you dont get hit

never thought i would actually use it when i learnt it but now i do it a lot lmao

[silk river]

Yep, but it can be tough to do that mentally when you only have 22 hp left

[acoustic quartz]

bruh

hardcore stuff right there

[silk river]

Well I didn't have time to get behind a pillar. and he was at 1/4 hp, so just dash up, spam attack, and pray!

[acoustic quartz]

great job

sometimes i cant get the positioning right and die lmao

[dull tangle]

rip

ok so yesterday someone told me about an INSANE build

so with the maxxed out aspect of chiron, you get the hammer upgrade that increased the number of special arrows

and then you get artemis on special

and you get as much crit boons as possible

[silk river]

This game is starting to get more fun now at 15 heat. Every run I keep ramping up the heat and just try my best. I want to eventually feel completely comfortable at 16 heat

[acoustic quartz]

ah yes

[dull tangle]

you can just annihilate everyone lmao

[acoustic quartz]

the dream chiron build

i got it once

was really nice

[acoustic quartz]

i ramped it up until 6 then got bored so i jumped to 8 lmao

now im working on 16

[dull tangle]

i’m trying to do my 10 heat run with extreme measured hades

[acoustic quartz]

cuz i am 1 achievement away from 100%

[dull tangle]

but i can’t get past his third phase

[dull tangle]

nice!

i have like 35ish

[silk river]

I haven't done em4 yet

[acoustic quartz]

em4 is hard lmao

im using it on 16 heat but im gonna turn it off next run

[dull tangle]

it’s tough even with the shield lol

[acoustic quartz]

i dont wanna spoil the fight

[silk river]

Well right now I'm trying to get as good as possible at rama by choosing no god boons and letting the game decide what gods to give me.

[acoustic quartz]

but compared to base fight

its really hard

[dull tangle]

yeah

[silk river]

If I can consistently make that work, I'll do great when I can really influence my build

[dull tangle]

||is there a fourth phase?||

[acoustic quartz]

base fight i can do quite easily now but EM4 makes me cry

[dull tangle]

same

[acoustic quartz]

no

that would be insane lmao

[dull tangle]

ok good lol

[acoustic quartz]

i mean is it not enough that ||you can barely see anything in 3rd phase||

[dull tangle]

true

and the ||3 skulls that keep flying everywhere||

[deep ibex]

||theres a 3rd phase ??? are u kidding me ||

[dull tangle]

||so you never know when they explode||

[dull tangle]

yeah it’s crazy

[acoustic quartz]

rely on your ears

[deep ibex]

end me

[acoustic quartz]

lmao

i mean the whole thing is insane already

[deep ibex]

ive just been running

[acoustic quartz]

||instead of regular enemies he spawns mini bosses||

[deep ibex]

a braindead build cause i can't tell whats going on sometimes

lifesteal stygia

[dull tangle]

okok idk if this is just me

but i think em3 is easy

[carmine ravine]

it is

[dull tangle]

like

[carmine ravine]

[dull tangle]

theseus’s first phase is so much easier lmao

[acoustic quartz]

yea

em3 theseus is easy

the main problem with em3 is beyblade imo

but even that is easy to counter once you know it

[dull tangle]

minotaur is a little bit harder but it’s easy to get past

[acoustic quartz]

yea

[dull tangle]

yeah

[deep ibex]

i kill the minotaur first

cause i can't dodge that

he like cleaves 25% of the map

[carmine ravine]

never got a problem with mino yea once i learned the obvious pattern

[acoustic quartz]

honestly when using em3 i am more scared of the minotaur miniboss than actual boss lmao

[deep ibex]

that miniboss always catches me when i run dumb builds

with chaos debuff

[carmine ravine]

have you tried, looking at the chambers

[deep ibex]

like can't attack

i have like 10 hours in the game i wasnt paying attention

i just saw the portal and i was like

coolchamp

finally gonna rp walk to the boss

[acoustic quartz]

just check if the chamber you are entering has the skull and arrow next to it lmao

[dull tangle]

i mean yeah but it could also be the butterfly ball

when i’m ready to go into a minotaur chamber it ends up being the butterfly ball

[tight cave]

Speaking of the butterfly ball, an absolute dream when it comes to speedrunning. Love how it's set up so that there's no set amount of other enemies, just use a companion to deal with the ball, destroy the souls and bob's your uncle.

[dull tangle]

yep

if you know how to delete a miniboss with stacked curses and crit hits, it’s easy

i’ve killed the butterfly ball in like 30 seconds before lmao

[tight cave]

I've killed it in under 10 😆

[dull tangle]

wtf was your build lol

[tight cave]

Chiron bow with Artemis on the attack and Demeter on special, crystal beam, crystal clarity, glacial glare, an extra bloodstone from Chaos and using Mort (Than's companion)

It was glorious.

[silk river]

Check this out, Rama, dionysus special, and artemis attack

[amber kraken]

I recognise all the people the hidden aspects are based off except Rama. Who are they?

[brisk trail]

what does it mean when a boon icon above a door has a skull next to it

[signal aspen]

mini boss

[silk river]

It will be harder but the boon will be rarer

[signal aspen]

yeah

[brisk trail]

cool ty

[desert meadow]

It also depends if you have a red arrow next to the door

If not, should just be harder enemies, if there is, expect a miniboss or some other sort of challenge.

[brisk trail]

cool

another thing

what classifies as an encounter

[half zephyr]

check hinduism

[signal aspen]

rooms with enemies

[amber kraken]

ahh

[signal aspen]

chambers are rooms

encounters have enemies

[half zephyr]

it gets wonky in styx

[signal aspen]

im pretty sure that the mini rooms in styx count as chambers

[half zephyr]

yes, but they have enemies, that's why it gets wonky

[signal aspen]

and at the end in the big room is an encounter

[half zephyr]

styx messes with a couple keepsakes cuz of this

[desert meadow]

^^^

[half zephyr]

you think it'll do its thing cuz enemies, but then it's just a chamber - not an encounter - so it doesn't

[desert meadow]

Than and Hermes' only count the end rooms, whereas Mom's doesn't, for example

[dull tangle]

so do you guys use skelly’s tooth in the styx or do you use a different keepsake

[desert meadow]

Acorn

[half zephyr]

Acorn

[signal aspen]

acorn

[half zephyr]

unless I'm doing a specific thing

[dull tangle]

ah i see

[half zephyr]

like the butterfly or plume

[signal aspen]

i switch between tooth and acorn

[half zephyr]

since they are not to be switched

[dull tangle]

i’m just trying to make my runs better so

[signal aspen]

but most of the time i use acorn

[desert meadow]

The tooth is better if you need help learning how Styx works, but once you know that, go acorn

[dull tangle]

yeah

[half zephyr]

Acorn let's you tank some boss hits

[dull tangle]

yeah i tried it yesterday and it’s really good

[half zephyr]

mhm

if you find you don't need it for that build a fun one to use can be pom

[desert meadow]

I'd also take acorn for the champions too if you need it

^^^^^^^^^^

[dull tangle]

that’s where i first tried it

[half zephyr]

and if your end goal is to buy stuff at the shop, the coinpurse is nice

as a little boost

[brisk trail]

Late game you only have thans butterfly for the whole build

shows up at ||dad|| with Artemis Chiron special with +56% damage

[acoustic quartz]

i wish i was skilled enough to get that much boost 😔

getting 30% already took me a lot of effort

[half zephyr]

ye, I can't do that

I get hit all the time

[dull tangle]

seriously tho it’s crazy good

[acoustic quartz]

i can get big lambent plume but pierced butterfly hard

[desert meadow]

Took me three runs I didn't give up on to get that 30%

Hera helped a lot early on for oneshotting

[acoustic quartz]

same lmao

[dull tangle]

max out chiron with hammer upgrade for special?

[acoustic quartz]

took me 3 runs too

ended up giving in and just doing bull rush cheese with shield

[tight cave]

As far as keepsakes go I usually equip the acorn before Elysium for the champions fight. My usual strat if I have crystal beam is to lay a few down, dash right into the middle and immediately summon Than, then tank a few hits so they stay inside the circle long enough to get damaged. Obliterates up to half their health in a matter of seconds.

[dull tangle]

wow

[acoustic quartz]

i thought we were talking about pure butterfly buff

[dull tangle]

that’s really smart actually

ah

[tight cave]

Apart from that I sometimes go with Than's butterfly

[dull tangle]

eh i suck at not taking damage so i never use than’s butterfly

[tight cave]

Mom pom is good too if I have a lot of low-level boons. (Pom Blossom)

[brisk trail]

I usually go for two god boons, than, and then hades or than again for Styx’s

[acoustic quartz]

my go to keepsake except for the boons for build is probs lambent plume

[brisk trail]

I usually only take hades if I’m having a weaker run

[acoustic quartz]

if we're going for mid run then mom pom

[dull tangle]

hades is good for getting out of tight situations

like a spear attack

[brisk trail]

cough cough
Achilles dash

[dull tangle]

yeah

[desert meadow]

Hades call with auto charge call boons though

[brisk trail]

do buffs from the butterfly and plume disappear if you change keepsakes?

[desert meadow]

Yes

[brisk trail]

aight

[dull tangle]

“Father!”
“WHAT”

[brisk trail]

I kind of wish that was more clear

[brisk trail]

||Deals 56 damage
removes dd
are you winning son?||

[half zephyr]

idk, I like the way you learn by doing

learn from your mistakes

[dull tangle]

which god do you guys normally start out w

[brisk trail]

I’ve never taken damage from Cerberus

[brisk trail]

Depends what duo/weapon I’m doing

[half zephyr]

that depends entirely upon weapon/aspect

[dull tangle]

hm

[half zephyr]

and if I'm aiming for certain duos

[dull tangle]

usually i get athena for divine dash

[half zephyr]

and if I'm even bothering summoning gods

if I'm doing a plume run I can't do it

[brisk trail]

Sometimes I like doing Athena on shield of chaos throw, and wave daddy on attack

That usually is fun

[dull tangle]

doom on chaos aspect wouldn’t be bad either

if you’ve maxed it out

[silk river]

I never thought I'd be able to keep up and react to enemies with FO2, but it's surprisingly natural

[desert meadow]

I find chaos is better with Dio special

[half zephyr]

no thinking, just reacting

[dull tangle]

that too

[brisk trail]

Dio + wave is great as well

do the god keepsakes only force X god to spawn once per run?

[desert meadow]

Yes

[dull tangle]

yeah

[desert meadow]

But as long as you have the keepsake on, you get the rarity bonus

[brisk trail]

even if you unequip it then re-equip it later?

[desert meadow]

You can't re-equip keepsakes

[dull tangle]

you can’t re-equip them

[brisk trail]

take it off after first boss then put it back on after second

or can u not do that

[brisk trail]

Can’t

cool, thanks

All keepsakes are one time

Np

[dull tangle]

you can’t equip a keepsake for the rest of the run after you use it

[desert meadow]

It sucks but eh

[dull tangle]

wow it’s hard to type accurately on a phone

[dull tangle]

i mean it makes sende

[brisk trail]

fists and lightning strike is kinda pog

[dull tangle]

yeah

and if you get dionysus and aphro duo

[desert meadow]

True

[dull tangle]

you could have weak on special

and then 8 hangover per attack

[desert meadow]

No, you want weak on dash

Then dash attack

[dull tangle]

ooh

[brisk trail]

Anyone but me hate the fists hidden aspect

[dull tangle]

i don’t have it yet

[desert meadow]

ME on fists is also great

but going for the three hangover based duos Dio has is good too

[dull tangle]

i feel like you should be able to upgrade duos

it would be nice to get heroic boons from every god lmao

[desert meadow]

I already fear lightning rod's power, imagine pomming that to level 10

[dull tangle]

yikes

[half zephyr]

I mean Malphon HA isn't that great

it can be good, but you have to be so technical about when to use the ability

[desert meadow]

Oh come on, it's great for a meme dash only run

[half zephyr]

I don't get memes

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert meadow]

Fair

[half zephyr]

I didn't even know the dodge run was a meme

I just thought it was fun to do

[desert meadow]

Seriously though, sea storm dash on hidden fists was a fun build

[craggy barn]

pomming mirage shot to fire more shots

[half zephyr]

but I like punching things

[signal aspen]

wha

[desert meadow]

Heart rend crits doing triple the damage

[manic moat]

you can't pom duos

I don't think you can

[signal aspen]

no

[craggy barn]

this is if you could pom duos

[silk river]

crap

[manic moat]

oh you're saying if

right

[desert meadow]

Yeah

[silk river]

freaking hades...

[dull tangle]

pomming duos would be op but i want it so baddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[signal aspen]

yeah

[manic moat]

even if you do pom it would change the text in green, so only the damage % of the second shot in mirage shot would increase and not the amount of shots

[signal aspen]

pomming duos will destroy everything

[manic moat]

yeaaaaa

pomming duos and legendaries

[desert meadow]

naaaaah, pom your keepsakes/companions

[craggy barn]

i could see pomming duos and legendaries being possible with modding

[dull tangle]

yeah, so maybe you could upgrade god keepsakes to guarantee they show up more than once?

[craggy barn]

imagine if you could pom hermes boons, lvl3 hyper sprint with lvl4 purple rush delivery on eris

[desert meadow]

That'd be cool

Or pom mom's keepsake to go off every two rooms instead of four

[craggy barn]

pomming weapon aspects

[signal aspen]

thats called leveling up

with blood

dummy

[desert meadow]

Please, I wanna see 10 chaos shields at once

[manic moat]

I liked the early access chaos shield

[desert meadow]

Or like 20 arrows on chiron special

[dull tangle]

LMAO

[signal aspen]

1000 ammo zag rail

[half zephyr]

imagine weapon duos

beyblade + pinball 2

[signal aspen]

100 hit dem fists

[desert meadow]

Talos pulling bosses across the arenas

[signal aspen]

bruh

100% damage reduction arthur

[desert meadow]

GY that gives you life instead

[manic moat]

250% damage eris

[oblique sun]

Gilgamesh but without the attack speed reduction

[desert meadow]

Or Rama

[silk river]

Ugh crash...

[desert meadow]

rip

[silk river]

It's ok, It's probably my fault as I use mods

[signal aspen]

f

[silk river]

It was pretty weird though, I went to pom a boon, and it came up with some error and reporting screen, I closed that out and the rest of the game was still functional... BUT I couldn't exit the pom screen or make a choice lol.

[signal aspen]

thats just a glitch in the game

happened to me before

[runic agate]

I wish that there was just an "unbalanced mode" where you had like ultimate power and stuff and stuff like mom's keepsake goes off every room and other broken stuff like that

And maybe all poms are worth 3 poms

Or somethin

[half zephyr]

I feel like that's called "modded"

[desert meadow]

Pots giving you 100 coins per pot, unlimited rerolls, every mirror talent at once, etc

[runic agate]

Ye

[desert meadow]

It'd be so dumb but I'd try it

[runic agate]

It would just be funny to see like a custom mode or something

Just go crazy with it

[desert meadow]

Yeah

[quartz garden]

I‘d be cool if you could choose a build from your successful escapes and battle down an endless run with it. See how many chambers you can beat with it until you face multiple bosses at once or smth like that.

[desert meadow]

Y e s

[quartz garden]

The worst part about a run is when it ends. I want to feel the same power again.

[runic agate]

Endless would be poggers

[runic agate]

YES

I agree

[desert meadow]

It wouldn't fit into the story but that'd be a sweet mod

[runic agate]

On a good run after you've beaten the main story there should be an option to do a training session or something

Where everyone kicks it up a notch and you keep all your power

And maybe you fight like all the sisters at once but like not the normal way like all 3 full boss fights at once

And maybe 2 learnies

Then they just kick theseus out of the game

Cuz bad

[desert meadow]

No no no, we kick Theseus out

[half zephyr]

what's the point of playing if I can't see Theseus

[runic agate]

Y e s

[half zephyr]

he's the best part

[runic agate]

Theseus is TRASH

[half zephyr]

him & his maniacal laughter

[runic agate]

Litterally 🗑️

[desert meadow]

Beating him is fun though

[brazen lagoon]

Theseus slander smh

[half zephyr]

you just don't understand greatness

[runic agate]

Dumpster

[half zephyr]

how hilarious he is

[runic agate]

He is a dumpster fire

[half zephyr]

he is hilarious

[brazen lagoon]

Theseus slander is old and boring

[desert meadow]

Alright then

[half zephyr]

cuz he thinks he's all that & then he gets beaten by us all the time & he needs Asterius to carry him

[desert meadow]

Asterius slander it is

I'm still annoyed he doesn't have hooves

[runic agate]

Asterius is pog

Theseus can go commit non exist now

[desert meadow]

Just fighting Asterius isn't as satisfying though

[half zephyr]

without Theseus we wouldn't even HAVE Asterius

[desert meadow]

True

[craggy barn]

furies slander 😌 💅

[desert meadow]

Theseus could be worse, he could be the teleporting shade miniboss

[half zephyr]

heh

that ones fun

[desert meadow]

I like the fight but he's annoying if you have a slow attack

[half zephyr]

mhmm

it's hell for me on bow

[desert meadow]

Hera isn't bad

[half zephyr]

by the time I've shot at them they've teleported away

[desert meadow]

Chiron, Zag, and especially Rama yeeeah

He's best on fists

Just dash attack till he dies

[opal oar]

em is way easier than i thought

[half zephyr]

ikr!

it's FUN

[opal oar]

I did the furies and its just "hello my sister is here to help out"

i thought it was gonna be two boss fights at once

[half zephyr]

mhmm

now do Lernie

and then Heroes

[craggy barn]

super dad

[half zephyr]

no

[opal oar]

oh dear

[half zephyr]

that's 1 step too far

[opal oar]

I am not gonna fight EM dad, no thank you

[half zephyr]

and might not even have it unlocked

but

[desert meadow]

I wanna do heat but I still suck with some aspects so I'm making myself learn them first

[half zephyr]

you must behold the glory that is Theseus' EM3 laughter

[opal oar]

I can just abt clear regular degular dad without losing DD's rn

[half zephyr]

that laugh is the best part of the game imo

I can just listen to him

He's so happy for his upgrade

[desert meadow]

Find the sound clip and set it on repeat

[half zephyr]

I wonder if I could have it loop for ages if I just get rid of Asterius & then just

didn't attack Theseus

[desert meadow]

Possibly

[unborn remnant]

hello hades gamers

[oblique sun]

hello lyte

[unborn remnant]

hru?

[oblique sun]

eh

[desert meadow]

Hey, Lyte

[unborn remnant]

hello atalks

[unborn remnant]

hope things get better then

:)

[oblique sun]

thanks ^^"

[unborn remnant]

np

Any good runs lately?

[desert meadow]

I had a great Dio fists run yesterday, I was just missing support fire and heart rend

You?

[unborn remnant]

I havent played in a while

maybe ill play today

[wild schooner]

Im doing a chaos shield 16 heat, should i take dread flight, or sudden rush?

[signal aspen]

probably sudden rush

the extra bounces will make playing chaos shield annoying

[oblique sun]

i find it fun

dread flight make chaos more chaotic

it just starts bouncing crazily around the map when it hits a wall and gets faster and faster

it makes it sound like the old chaos shield, made to scatter everything all around

but sudden rush is like really good too for more chaos special activations

[signal aspen]

well i hate when i try to shield rush but i cant because the shield is still bouncing around

[oblique sun]

i'm used to dashing after i special so ig

it's whatever you feel best at

[wild schooner]

So sudden rush would be better for more procs, dread flight would be better for more damage?

[signal aspen]

pretty much

[oblique sun]

idk if it'll necessarily be more damag ebut it'll be good for more scatter damage

group damage i think? not sure

[wild schooner]

I think ill go with sudden rush

[unborn remnant]

I might do 20 heat today

or just go right to 32 idk

[oblique sun]

you can try

i got to hades first try on 32 and beat him 2nd try

[wild schooner]

Oof... those numbers scare me

[daring badger]

3rd try for me

1st try ended in asphodel, 2nd in elysium

[unborn remnant]

Did you do 16 to 32?

[oblique sun]

no

i'd never tried chiron bow before

that was my first time using chiron lol

[wild schooner]

Has max heat been cleared yet?

[signal aspen]

yes

[oblique sun]

yeah with set seeds

[wild schooner]

Ah

[oblique sun]

but i had 5(?) heat on bow before doing 32, thanks to hera

[wild schooner]

Hera bow best bow

[oblique sun]

rama :(

[versed whale]

to me too

[wild schooner]

Eh... not a fan of rama

[oblique sun]

mara :(

[signal aspen]

zag bow is best bow

[manic moat]

I just can't hera

[wild schooner]

Whats that again? Crits?

[oblique sun]

no bow is best bow

[manic moat]

guan yu best bow

[oblique sun]

i like all 3 bow aspects, not sure about zag haven't levelled it up at all yet

[wild schooner]

Lucifer is best bow

[brazen lagoon]

Zag bow is pretty good

[signal aspen]

beowulf with charged shot is better hera

[manic moat]

charged shot beo best bow

[manic moat]

same wavelength

[signal aspen]

yes

[oblique sun]

charged skewer is technically a bow

[versed whale]

ouch

[oblique sun]

?

[versed whale]

hera bow its best in mix with cast

[signal aspen]

mox?

[desert meadow]

It's close between Hera and Chiron lol

[wild schooner]

Y'all were saying Beowulf, and my idiot brain was thinking gilgamesh

[versed whale]

well difference is quite strong

[desert meadow]

True, but they excel at different things

[signal aspen]

almost like they are different aspects

[desert meadow]

Hera is high burst damage while Chiron is repeated damage via the special

[oblique sun]

tl;dr both are stronk

[versed whale]

rama just too speacial to draw

Hera and Chiron are really useful

[oblique sun]

rama is hard to use but can be really useful if you pull it off

[versed whale]

both

[versed whale]

well all aspects at max... stil Hera my fav

[wild schooner]

So, what boons would be best on chaos shield? I already know zeus special, so probably zeus leg as well

[signal aspen]

ares

[versed whale]

but use diferent eveery other run - just to practice

[signal aspen]

dio

[desert meadow]

Dio special

[signal aspen]

are great on chaos

[versed whale]

Dio is my fav ^_^

[desert meadow]

Curse of Nausea is basically required if you go Dio though

[wild schooner]

What about primary attack? I know it shouldnt be the focus, but what should i take for it?

[oblique sun]

kono dio-da

[desert meadow]

Aphrodite and Artemis never fail

Athena if you go for Ares special and then try for ME wouldn't be ideal but could work too

[signal aspen]

ares special and aphro attack, or dio special and aphro attack

and also try to get curse of vengeance if you are going for a hangover build on chaos

[wild schooner]

...but im going zeus build

[desert meadow]

Sea Storm on special wouldn't be bad either

[signal aspen]

oh

[desert meadow]

Is all you have rn Zeus special?

[signal aspen]

then maybe dem

idk

[wild schooner]

Yeah, just zeus special

[desert meadow]

Demeter on attack for cold fusion might be ideal

Or go Aphrodite and hope for a good call to use smoldering air with

[signal aspen]

zeus doesnt have that many duos that work well with lightning special/attack

[desert meadow]

Yeah

[signal aspen]

after getting dem just aim to get the legendary

[desert meadow]

You mostly want more Zeus boons now (double strike, the one that gives jolted, legendary)

[unborn remnant]

Can someone explain whats good about rama

[desert meadow]

It hits hard

[signal aspen]

high damage

[unborn remnant]

I dont get it

[signal aspen]

slaps hard

[desert meadow]

Plus crowd control with the special

[unborn remnant]

is the special even worth it

what about the speed

[brazen lagoon]

Beeg damage

[signal aspen]

https://youtu.be/AOWr73qLNHM

haelian fixes all your problems

[wild schooner]

Would it be ideal to take aphro cast just so i can take dem attack?

[desert meadow]

Treat Rama like reverse Chiron, you want to special then attack over and over to keep shared suffering on

[desert meadow]

Either that or her dash

[copper lynx]

https://ee.co.uk/why-ee/baftagames Deadline for the BAFTA GOTY vote is 5pm today gogogogo

[signal aspen]

what

[wild schooner]

Or call?

[desert meadow]

If you go for the Zeus Aphrodite duo, ehhhh

Her call is best charged

[oblique sun]

zeus with their duo doesn't sound too bad

• billowing strength

[wild schooner]

Oh, you're right. I completely forgot how smoldering air works

[desert meadow]

Yeah, Zeus/Dio/Demeter/Athena would be good with SA

[oblique sun]

even poseidon

[desert meadow]

True

Artemis could work too

[oblique sun]

i kinda like having poseidon as a panic button since i often don't use call in the first place, most people say poseidon bad lol

[wild schooner]

Ill take crush shot and hope for demeter or zeus aid

Or athena, since shes also in the god pool

[desert meadow]

I don't mind it, I just prefer the others

[oblique sun]

i think artemis is better charged but you could potentially get more arrows

[desert meadow]

^

[unborn remnant]

Ares is a good panic button

[desert meadow]

Athena call is a great choice

[signal aspen]

athena is just better ares

[desert meadow]

That with SA makes you very unhittable

[oblique sun]

Ares is ehh maybe it charges fast but damage wise i never managed to make it work

[wild schooner]

Static discharge, or high voltage? Both are rare?

[signal aspen]

isnt static discharge just jolted?

[wild schooner]

Yeah

[signal aspen]

so what are you asking?

[wild schooner]

Which i should take

[signal aspen]

both

kinda depends on what you are going for

[wild schooner]

I got them both appearing on one zeus boon. I cant take both

[signal aspen]

oh

are you trying to get the legendary

[oblique sun]

high voltage for legendary, but static discharge is pretty cool

[desert meadow]

^

[wild schooner]

I need static discharge for the duo

[signal aspen]

jolted is a common boon

[wild schooner]

But i need high voltage for the legendary

[oblique sun]

doesn't jolted not give leg

oh the duo

[signal aspen]

jolted is a common boon

[oblique sun]

i can't read

what duo are you going for, demeter?

[wild schooner]

Yee

[signal aspen]

grab high voltage

"jolted is a common boon"

just take high voltage

[oblique sun]

the problem with high voltage is it's not great by itself

[signal aspen]

yeah

[desert meadow]

It's alright

[unborn remnant]

What build?

[desert meadow]

But not a big upgrade by itself

[signal aspen]

chaos zeus build

[unborn remnant]

interesting combo

[desert meadow]

They're going Chaos with Zeus special, trying for SA and CF

[unborn remnant]

ares chaos shield

you love to see it

[little ridge]

Still no news of a ps4 version?

[quaint wind]

yeah they haven't had any news about if/when they'll port it to other systems

[wild schooner]

In a trial of the gods, can athenas invulnerability she grants to enemies deflect your projectiles back at you?

[grand crystal]

nope, its just invulnerability

otherwise it would kill bows lol

and rail

bow and rail would die at that

[wind token]

So any news aboutDLC??

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

same

[oblique sun]

there will most likely not be any DLC, Hades is the biggest game SGG has released and they're probably burnt out on it- but also adding something would be difficult due to it most likely breaking the storyline- think of it like a finished puzzle that you can't add pieces to without cutting the already-placed pieces.

i'm just gonna keep copy pasting this now

[daring badger]

^

[oblique sun]

if that's okay

i don't wanna give misinformation

[half zephyr]

[oblique sun]

i got 4 thumbups from shadow that's probably good enough

[grand crystal]

i will too ataino if thats fine

[half zephyr]

I can give you so many more

[oblique sun]

ofc lol

[grand crystal]

i dont wanna have to type so much

[half zephyr]

but it'd take time & effort

but now I'm tempted

[oblique sun]

you don't have to shadow lol

[half zephyr]

👍🏻

[half zephyr]

too late

[oblique sun]

one two three four.. 13 cute thumbups

hcek yeah

[daring badger]

okay now i want to steal some of these emotes lol

[oblique sun]

just don't publicly say it smh

[half zephyr]

\0/
got my physical copy woo

[oblique sun]

woooo

[half zephyr]

one of the fun things that might be cuz I have the EU edition

in the booklet all the names are in both English & French, and on the cart it says the age thing in German

[oblique sun]

well i speak english and french and a teeny tiny weeny bit of german

and i speak some spanish

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472525153717321759/823958034304729100/unknown.png

this makes perfect sense

why am i laughing

why do i find it funny

[half zephyr]

cuz it's so random

he's in the House

[unborn remnant]

It is kinda funny

no one expects that

[half zephyr]

I mean I kinda expect them to play at some point

[unborn remnant]

yeah but like, developmental builds

not the base game

[half zephyr]

why not y'know

why not

[grand crystal]

but like what if hes just bored and wants to play hades like :/

[half zephyr]

he's just hanging in the house for now

[grand crystal]

but yea probably just dev builds for bug fixes

[unborn remnant]

its like

if its my 9 to 5 job to work on the game, idk if id wanna play it at home

you feel me?

[grand crystal]

yeaa i get that

[acoustic quartz]

guys my friend has 200 escape attempts and still hasnt even reached hades yet

i asked him some stuff and he hasnt unlocked any sections of the mirror

nor does he make builds

i am facepalming really hard rn

[signal aspen]

bruh

I think i know why he hasnt reached hades yet

[daring badger]

what does that mean exactly

[acoustic quartz]

well like

[tight cave]

He must have so many unspent resources by now.

[acoustic quartz]

get boons that compliment each other

or the weapon

and stuff

[daring badger]

i see

[signal aspen]

if i want to make a zeus build then i would take boons that increase lightning damage or effectiveness

not just random boons

[desert meadow]

200 runs without mirror unlocks?

Dang

[weary inlet]

How do I use the Ambrosia?

Also, what does boiling blood do?

[desert meadow]

Boiling blood makes your attacks and specials do extra damage to any foes with your casts stuck into them.

[tight cave]

Ambrosia can be given to characters once your relationship with them has advanced enough. It's basically like a more important Nectar and is given in the same way. Just go up and if they can be given ambrosia it appears.

[weary inlet]

Wait... so ||when Hades gives you boiling blood, he's giving you a bonus?||

[gray apex]

No

He deals double dmg

To you

[weary inlet]

Oh

[gray apex]

The other boiling blood is the mirror perk Talks mentioned

[weary inlet]

So are you able to give people ambrosia when you've gotten them to the part with the locked heart?

[tight cave]

The ||Hades|| fight is essentially like facing your equal, someone who can do the stuff you can, which is really cool imo.

[gray apex]

inb4 a spear flies out of nowhere at you

Thats still really cool so fair enough I guess

[tight cave]

Eh, honestly the most annoying part of that fight isn't even the attacks for me, it's|| the possible enemies that can be spawned.||

[weary inlet]

Oh yeah, that's annoying

Well designed, though

[hardy kernel]

||Doomstones and sneaks suck in em4 hades||

[tight cave]

||STOP MAKING YOURSELF IMPERVIOUS WITH VOIDSTONES DAD||

[weary inlet]

So are you able to give people ambrosia when you've gotten them to the part with the locked heart in the guidebook?

[deep ibex]

omfg

this is the cutest thing ever

i cant post picture

[gray apex]

You can post it somewhere else and send link

[deep ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283581706517086208/823991288558780446/unknown.png

i didnt even notice it in the background

[narrow bronze]

Best aid/summon for ||em4 hades||?

[broken needle]

Bouldy is nice for healing, meg for finishing him off

[brisk trail]

damn i love the painting at the end of the epilogue, great game !

[broken needle]

||That's the middle ending||

[brisk trail]

damn i love the painting at the end of ||the middle ending||, great game !

:p

[broken needle]

Hahaha not what I meant though, my message was to keep going for the ture end

[brisk trail]

im definetley gonna keep going

thanks mate 🙂

[oblique sun]

Fool God from Hollow Knight

[weak spruce]

pick rama and spam attack button and listen to the sound

[daring badger]

Lord Fool*

[high island]

Not while the heart is still locked.

[oblique sun]

dammit desti gets me again

[unborn remnant]

desti?

[weary inlet]

How do you unlock it?

[oblique sun]

desticler

[oblique sun]

dis

[oblique sun]

depends on each character

some require something in particular that you need to do, others require.. just talking often to them i guess?

[weary inlet]

Thank you so much!

[oblique sun]

who is it that you wanna unlock?

[high island]

Just keep progressing the story with them, pretty much.

[unborn remnant]

i still dont know who this is

oh

you mean the person

im a dumbass

[oblique sun]

lol it' sokay sorry

[unborn remnant]

nah its all good

I thought you meant a character

like in a game

[oblique sun]

lol

[unborn remnant]

i was like "what god is named desticler??"

[oblique sun]

lmao

anyways time to retry 32 heat zeus shield

is there any duo i should look for with zeus shield?

[unborn remnant]

no idea

I only use zeus special or ares

so take your pick i guess

I think Sea Storm is good

[gray apex]

crystal clarity

[unborn remnant]

you can knock enemies into the shield

[gray apex]

meme beam or doesnt count

[oblique sun]

i'd rather do that with a weapon that i'm not used to

[high island]

Heart Rend, Smoldering Air, maybe Low Tolerance or Splitting Headache.

[oblique sun]

i'll try artemis special + heart rend?

[high island]

Merciful End can also work.

[oblique sun]

i just wanna stick to one thing i'm only running it oncee

sure heart rend artemis special

[high island]

Hmm I'd probably do Deadly Strike + Passion Dash or Heartbreak Flourish for Heart Rend.

Well, you can just pick a good starting boon and go from there.

See what you get in Tartarus.

[oblique sun]

i just don't pick a god keepsake and just see what god i get first? :P

i don't often rely on duos since i don't use legacy idk

[high island]

m saying pick a god keepsake, then see what else you get in Tartarus.

[unborn remnant]

Legacy is based

[high island]

If you want to take God's Legacy and get Duo Boons, start with the Eternal Rose.

[oblique sun]

given that i'm unable to pick what god keepsake i wanna use, i'm just gonna gun it and see what god i get first

i know you're trying to help but i am dumb >w>

[high island]

Just pick whichever has higher rarity between Heartbreak Strike and Heartbreak Flourish.

[oblique sun]

flourish

i got her even without her keepsake lol

[high island]

Good. Lady Aphrodite always backs me up. 💕

[oblique sun]

so what should i go for now :P

[high island]

Try to get Deadly Strike or Zeus' Aid, ideally both.

[oblique sun]

okee

smoldering air zeus aid?

[high island]

Yes.

[oblique sun]

i usually try to stay far away so zeus isn't the greatest but i'll try to make it work lol

also uh

forgot

oh right

what hammers-

[high island]

Charged Shot, ideally.

[oblique sun]

wouldn't i want to keep bull rush to get closer thoughh

i guess to attack with deadly strike from far away

i didn't get it so i'll get sudden rush

there is an athena, should i get divine dash for safety?

[high island]

Sure.

[oblique sun]

aphrodite zeus artemis

yeah so she's the 4th, if i can get both of zeus and arty through keepsakes

using the blitz disc as a boomerang works really well with sudden rush lol

[high island]

Unlikely you'll get all 4, but that's what I mean by see what you get in Tartarus and take it from there.

[oblique sun]

i'd happily get zeus even in elysium with his keepsake

also

would Athena Artemis Duo be pretty good with Divine Flourish?

like in theory it sounds good, since Divine Strike on Guan Yu spin was strong as heck

[high island]

Probably. You already have Heartbreak Flourish, though.

[oblique sun]

yeah just wondering, in theory

bouldy gives +2% obol bonus

bouldy best boyi

[half zephyr]

Only 2..

Then again, I think my best obol bonus from Bouldy was +9%

[high island]

I like getting book bonus from Bouldy.

[oblique sun]

should i go for lightning phalanx if i get lucky

book bonus?

[half zephyr]

Keyboard, learn greek please

[oblique sun]

i'm gonna go for lightning phalanx if i get lucky

[half zephyr]

Don’t change what I mean to write

[high island]

Lightning Phalanx shouldn't be a priority.

Doesn't mean you should avoid it.

[oblique sun]

yeah but

exactly

epic phalanx yey

[half zephyr]

I don’t like phalanx shot

[high island]

Phalanx Shot is amazing.

[half zephyr]

It doesn’t fit my playstyle

[oblique sun]

i like it, it fits my playstyle

[high island]

But any Cast falls off without poms in it.

[oblique sun]

i rarely focus on cast so it's bsaically just stronger cast,

[half zephyr]

Ye, but it’s too slow at the start to be worth it for me

[oblique sun]

i use cast for boiling blood purposes unless i'm going for a full cast build

[high island]

Too slow?

[oblique sun]

man sisyphus room and fountain room in tartarus this could've been an amazing speedrun seed :pensive

[half zephyr]

Ye, phalanx moves slowly from you then picks up speed

It always ends up hitting nothing

[high island]

DPS is amazing, though.

It has homing.

[half zephyr]

Homing won’t stop it from hitting nothing when I use it apparently

[oblique sun]

normal cast or phalanx, which has better homing? or is it the same?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459790522706558976/824025871240921109/unknown.png

rude

i've beaten you like 5-10 times with this already

[half zephyr]

I do end up picking up a cast eventually, but since I actively avoid Athena it’s unlikely to be phalanx

[gray apex]

I usually just dont take casts unless its a cast run

[half zephyr]

I tend to pick one up just so others will stop offering me theirs

[gray apex]

Fair

[half zephyr]

It’s annoying when you reroll 2-3 times & they still offer mainly the same boons >.>

[high island]

Base cast travels slower, so it ends up having better homing.

[oblique sun]

of course i just got the paladin modifier in than room

eh you know what

using actually good strategies does not work for me

i'm just gonna restart and go fun again xd

[gray apex]

lol

[unborn remnant]

fun good

[oblique sun]

i'm actually doing worse like this lmao

[hardy thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/824029449615966208/unknown.png

I just finished it! Thank you all for your minor (yet much appreciated!) support.

[oblique sun]

yey stret

[half zephyr]

[oblique sun]

welp run's dead yay

i'm just gonna keep on going for the darkness ig till i die

finally dusa progression my god

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/472525153717321759/824035058830147664/unknown.png

fricking f i n a l l y

[unborn remnant]

[oblique sun]

maid dusa

[green dune]

she's so cute

still prefer meg and aprhodite tho

[oblique sun]

consider this:

you don't need to have one waifu

[runic sparrow]

[heavy hound]

Phalanx is definitely my favorite cast

[raw herald]

Mine has got to be Zeus' cast

[heavy hound]

zeus cast is also very good

[raw herald]

Zeus cast and Achilles spear equals Tartarus room clearer

[heavy hound]

definitely

[carmine ravine]

Wht use zeus cast When u can carpet bomb with dio

[upper carbon]

so no more content updates for the game ?

[tight cave]

Demeter cast is best cast.

Meme beam for days

[half zephyr]

Not that we know of no

[upper carbon]

hmm well thanks for answering

[brisk trail]

I'd guess there probably will be sometime in the future

[weak spruce]

I hope their next game is also roguelike

I normally don't like these types of games but hades got me playing

[brisk trail]

hades is the best roguelite I've played so far I'd say primarily because of the seemingly endless replay value

[weak spruce]

I wouldn't call it endless but it kept me addicted for a long time

kinda feeling the effects of burnout lately but I do some runs still

[brisk trail]

theres so much stuff to do and unlock

as an achievement whore, ima spend a long time in this game

yeah the story

rocks

[weak spruce]

yes the story keeps you going, you just keep wanting to return to house of hades

I think that's the reason

[brisk trail]

I kinda skip the story cos I wanna kill stuff

[weak spruce]

there are many convos

[brisk trail]

Hades is so strong because of its story, though.

[weak spruce]

is there another roguelike with this much focus on story

[brisk trail]

The roguelite itself is a great game, but if you were to tone down the gorgeous visuals, replace the soundtrack with something more generic, and go with a borderline non-story like Isaac or Dead Cells you don't have the 11/10 that it currently is.

[weak spruce]

I keep calling it like lol it's lite

[brisk trail]

is it possible to get max reward from an infernal trove

Yes.

wow

ok

You need basically perfect spawns and action, though.

I wouldn't chase it.

what determines when it starts counting down

yeah not gonna lol

[half zephyr]

I think my record is 143/150 obol

[brisk trail]

thats very good

[half zephyr]

And 68/75 gems

[weak spruce]

prolly easiest on tartarus

[brisk trail]

can't remember my best, probably nothing special tho

[half zephyr]

I don’t get many useful ones in Tartarus

The most annoying thing is to get the health one when you run dark regen

[brisk trail]

obol is the only useful one i think

[half zephyr]

Uhm, darkness

[weak spruce]

well darkness one will heal you

if you have the mirror thing

[half zephyr]

Plus y’know

If you wanna buy the darkness stuff for cosmetic reasons

[weak spruce]

wait was that mirror or contractor

[half zephyr]

Mirror

Dark regen

[weak spruce]

okay

[half zephyr]

Instead of chthonic vitality

[weak spruce]

been forever since I touched some mirror powers so I don't remember

it's just there

[half zephyr]

What the contractor does

Is add +5 max hp

[weak spruce]

oh yes that

[half zephyr]

When you pick darkness

[weak spruce]

also good

[half zephyr]

But it doesn’t heal you like dark regen

[brisk trail]

my mirror is almost maxed out

im not too interested in losing health for darkness

but thatsss jus how i am

[grand crystal]

dark regen is decent ngl

cthonic vital and dark regen are better for different scenarios

cthonic vital is better if youre getting bounties and running something like gy or cursed slash

while dark regen is better when you dont have bounties and or are running for farming purposes

[weak spruce]

I remember this being discussed in one of the channels

it was a fun discussion

personally I never use dark regen but I can see it being useful

[half zephyr]

I luv my dark regen

[grand crystal]

im a cv fan to say the least

but since my heats generally include lc4 hl5 neither matter

[heavy hound]

For normal runs I just run cthonic vitality

I’m not darkness farming

[brisk trail]

is dark regeneration 60% of the darkness healed or 60% of your health healed

cos 6 health per darkness in a room doesn't seem like much cos there's no guarantee you'll get more darkness outside of after boss fights

[heavy hound]

Dark regeneration is good for boss fights

Big heals after

[brisk trail]

fair enough

[weak spruce]

for normal runs I run cv

for heat runs I still run cv cuz neither of them matter anyway cuz lc4

[heavy hound]

Also gets high confidence up

Yeah above 40+ it doesn’t matter bcs LC4

[grand crystal]

lol imagine running lc4 past 40

its generally in my 20 heat things since its easy

free like 9 heat

if i take hl5

[heavy hound]

I normally do LC0 at 32

[weak spruce]

I run lc4 on any 32

[heavy hound]

Em4 and fo2 stonks

[weak spruce]

I am used to it now

[heavy hound]

Normally I run either

I’ve not done 32 in a while

But I’ve been keeping em4 on for every run

Definitely getting better at the fight

[weak spruce]

was gonna ask a question here but it fits better in hh strategies