h1-discussion

[oblique sun]

i also don't have duos, those are big

[hardy thistle]

i am missing uh

poseidon athena ares

one of hermes' because i dont use stygian

i got a ton of duos recently

duos are really fun

i completed the prophecy

[craggy barn]

i think i have basically no goals left for hades

[hardy thistle]

i used the like

15 ambrosia or something that you get from that boon

[half zephyr]

Poseidon took me forever too

[hardy thistle]

now i'm just gifting people until i am ready for prologue

i just need to figure out how to unlock the favors of some olympians

[half zephyr]

Story

[craggy barn]

actually i still haven't gotten chain skewer for the prophecy (in my 100+ runs) but i'm been grinding to get it for too long to no avail

[hardy thistle]

eh

[craggy barn]

it's not even a good hammer anyways

[half zephyr]

Some be tied to prophecy I think

[hardy thistle]

that sounds awfully vague considering there is literally nothing i can do other than run it over and over

[half zephyr]

Or just actions you have to do

[hardy thistle]

in the hope that i get a dialogue that gives me the favor

[half zephyr]

Like killing enemies for ares

[hardy thistle]

i already completed all god related prophecies

[half zephyr]

Think Poseidon’s was beating em3 Theseus 2 times

Or 1 time

[hardy thistle]

i already did that

[craggy barn]

hermes also has a prophecy where you have to beat charon 2 times in a row

[half zephyr]

Which gods do you have left then

[craggy barn]

pretty easy, just bring chill + weak if you're not confident but i'm not sure if that's how you even forge a bond with him

[hardy thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/821342781225304064/unknown.png

hmm i see

[hardy thistle]

i also like just did that

[half zephyr]

Think Hermes is wearing rank 3 plume

[hardy thistle]

i'll check

[half zephyr]

But I don’t remember exactly what I did for it

[hardy thistle]

i'm going to start killing myself honestly

to speed up the process

[half zephyr]

I really stumbled into a bunch of the favors

Got them all before run 100

[hardy thistle]

it is rank 3 plume

yeah i would be before run 100

but i got some more cause

heat 32 moment

[half zephyr]

nods

Artemis is listening to her talk about callipso or smth

[hardy thistle]

32 heat prolly was my most satisfying moment when playing games this year

save for the first time i did em4

https://youtu.be/TczgDpaYfJ0

the fact i had no defiances for the fight made it better

[half zephyr]

I’mnot interested in h32 & above

Besides the statue

[brazen lagoon]

I did 32 heat and dipped

[oblique sun]

i'm currently at around run 80, finished epilogue and heat 32

[brazen lagoon]

Never doing anything like that again

[oblique sun]

stopped playing after finishing 32

[hardy thistle]

i would do h32 last but

i want the epilogue to be my ending

because that sounds really satisfying and adequate

don't spoil me on the epilogue but

can i control when it happens?

[half zephyr]

There’s hearts you can’t unlock until post epilogue tho

[hardy thistle]

like will it happen suddenly after i get favors with the olympians

or will there be something before it?

[half zephyr]

There’s dialogue rng

[hardy thistle]

i want to know because i need to get all keepsakes maxed first lol e

oh i see

[half zephyr]

Then when you do the dialogue it happens

[oblique sun]

just don't get bonds with olympians

o wait

isn't there an ach for all bonds

[hardy thistle]

no

[oblique sun]

ohok

[half zephyr]

You can’t even get all bonds without the epi

[hardy thistle]

but then i'd waste so much time

:shakingncrying:

[oblique sun]

yeah that' what i was gonna sa shadow

[hardy thistle]

i want to drop this game already

i cant take it

[half zephyr]

Then just do it

[hardy thistle]

but i need all keepsakes first

so i can 100%

[half zephyr]

Don’t force yourself to play or you’ll never like the game again

[hardy thistle]

nah

i still enjoy it from time to time

[half zephyr]

Just take a break & come back

[hardy thistle]

not having 100% will just trigger severe OCD as i dont play it for 2902342 eons

[oblique sun]

you probably will not true100%

[hardy thistle]

i'll post my progress in a second one my classes are gone

true 100% is not really meaningful

there is no challenge its just dumb rng grind

and honestly it doesnt have any reward whatsoever

i beat 32 heat and im fine with that

[half zephyr]

If you want to get 100% as in all bonds & such

You will have to play post epilogue

[hardy thistle]

yea i know

true 100% in this game is inherently stupid because

unseen one

[half zephyr]

Good luck then

[hardy thistle]

i'm at like

gamma warden

lol

[oblique sun]

em4?

[half zephyr]

And?

The warden stuff isn’t tied to em4

[oblique sun]

or is that a rank

[half zephyr]

Just a resource sink

[oblique sun]

oh unseen one is a rank?

[half zephyr]

I only know it as the song from em4

Could be a rank I guess too

[oblique sun]

yeah that' why i asked if he's talking about em4 when he said "unseen one"

[half zephyr]

But the resource sink is always optional

[hardy thistle]

@oblique sun @half zephyr i was talking about the final rank

the final rank is called unseen one

[half zephyr]

Cool

[hardy thistle]

true 100% would imply dumping the like 100k darkness it requires

[half zephyr]

Guess I know what I’ll get in the future then

[hardy thistle]

and theres no way in hell i'm doing that

pun intended

[half zephyr]

Thought it was 300k

[oblique sun]

300k

[hardy thistle]

pain

though it doesnt seem that bad

[brazen lagoon]

I've put so much darkness into that already

[hardy thistle]

when i did a run trying to get darkness

i got like

1000

[oblique sun]

300k for only the last rank, not counting the other ranks

[brazen lagoon]

I'm at the old guy badge

[hardy thistle]

300 runs 🤔

[half zephyr]

You did a bad run then

[hardy thistle]

PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN PAIN

[weak spruce]

basically just cheat

[hardy thistle]

on second thought i think i got more actually

[oblique sun]

or just don't go for it

lul

[hardy thistle]

yes

[half zephyr]

Last collection run I did I got around 1k from Hades alone

[weak spruce]

then flex at people (make sure they don't see your run count)

[hardy thistle]

nah bro

cheat the run count

[oblique sun]

cheat your run count too

[weak spruce]

oh you can do that ?

[oblique sun]

idk probably if you can cheat your darkness

[half zephyr]

Can’t cheat anything here

[oblique sun]

can't cheat anything here because i'm too dumb to do it

[weak spruce]

[weary lantern]

keyboard players, you prefer attack at cursor? I tried without but think I prefer that you do

[hardy thistle]

yea i do

ok guys im finna post my progress as i mentioned

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/821350778102480906/unknown.png

[brazen lagoon]

Not me personally

[weary lantern]

I feel it's kinda akward to position correct with keyboard but maybe just me

[brazen lagoon]

All preference at the end of the day

[weary lantern]

yea i guess

[hollow hawk]

for weapons like sword and spear i use attack at cursor

for rail and fists i dont use it

[wheat minnow]

Same

[hollow hawk]

it does take a bit of a learning curve, especially with sword, but its so much worth it

[wheat minnow]

exactly

[manic moat]

what

I always have attack at cursor on

what does it do when you're not attacking at cursor

[signal aspen]

keyboard determines where you attack

[manic moat]

oh

[signal aspen]

if you are moving up with your keyboard, then you attack up, even if your cursor is at the bottom of your screen

[manic moat]

I see, thanks

[weary lantern]

You dont have attack on cursor on rail, thats one of the weapons i feel like i really need it

you just spam everywhere it feels like

[hardy thistle]

do the small rooms in styx level your keepsakes?

[weary lantern]

Do you guys use rocket hammer when playing eris build ? Since the build need you to be in the blast it feels kinda bad?

[hardy thistle]

nah its great

if you have cluster

cluster rocket is insta win

[signal aspen]

encounters do, so no

[hardy thistle]

pain

[signal aspen]

encounters are the rooms at the end

chambers are normal rooms

encounters have enemies

[hardy thistle]

also triple rockets eris

[weary lantern]

just started a run and got hammer, I can pick cluster or rocket. What to pick as a single as i dont know if i can combine both?

But if you use rocket how are you supossed to use eris buff shoot in their face?

[signal aspen]

you can combine them

cluster is better tho

[vapid narwhal]

you can cluster + rocket but rocket is absolutely the optimal one for eris

take rocket first

you can do just fine without cluster

[weary lantern]

but how do i apply eris buff, like I need to stand in my special or do i still get it if i fire away from distance. Or you play super agressive?

[signal aspen]

you just have to be near the explosion

on rocket

[weary lantern]

okay

[vapid narwhal]

rocket removes the delay which allows for much higher uptime on the buff

[manic moat]

yea, coz rocket is really fast

so you do wanna be up close when you launch the rocket so that you can be in its blast

[weary lantern]

yea makes sense, i got so lucky with hammer zeuz cast and posedion dash and now found a zeuz posedion double room in first realm

hopefully i can get the duo boon never got it so far

[manic moat]

yea tidal dash is good especially with their duo

you do want zeus on the attack though ideally

[weary lantern]

yea good that aswell

and now got jolt and tempest flourish

[manic moat]

nice

if you have privelged status get razor shoals too if you can

[weary lantern]

what is prevelged status? Is that when you have given them gifts?

if so i have only give one each so far

[hardy thistle]

@signal aspen uh

i think they do level in styx mini rooms

[signal aspen]

WHAT

[hardy thistle]

i had never used distant memory before, i did like three gates in styx

and now it requires 12 to level up

i'll double check

[signal aspen]

i guess that is a good thing

[hardy thistle]

anyways you cucked me out of like 18 encounters

[signal aspen]

lmao

[hardy thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662538876241575968/821368406698885171/unknown.png

yep they do level it up

[weary lantern]

now i got greater reflex and the duo boon, this is looking up. First time getting duo 😄

[half zephyr]

PS is a mirror upgrade

Needs 2 status effects to trigger

[weary lantern]

oh yea i have that maxxed

[half zephyr]

Then rupture is nice to have

[weary lantern]

i just met the second boss, i never had this damage his helpers were cooked in matter of seconds

crazy damage

[manic moat]

eris do be kinda crazy tho

[half zephyr]

Also, you can’t get duo boons in trial rooms

[weary lantern]

here i was aiming for trial rooms and thinking now i must get it 😄

[half zephyr]

Their helpers be themselves
They are the Hydra so all the heads belong to them

[weary lantern]

fair point 🙂

[half zephyr]

Unless you mean the mini hatched mobs

But there you just have to take out that head & no more extra mobs

[signal aspen]

the hydra can spit out these things that spawns enemies after 5 seconds

you need to destroy them

[weary lantern]

Yea that was no problem this time

https://prnt.sc/10n92e5

look at this madness

just got my second hammer as first room in third realm

[half zephyr]

I can’t recognize most of those

I don’t know boons by icons yet

Main ones are easy enough though

[brazen lagoon]

That is madness

[signal aspen]

jolted, pp, extra dashes, health from chaos, sea storm, rocket and cluster bomb

[brazen lagoon]

Blessed run

[half zephyr]

Ty

[weary lantern]

Yea and as soon as i could get it also

[weary lantern]

ty i was just checking up the names of all my goodies lol

[manic moat]

damn nice

[half zephyr]

Just remember to not count your chickens before the eggs have hatched now

[weary lantern]

yea i know 😄

[manic moat]

wait do you have rocket bomb cluster bomb

that's the golden combo right there you're solid bro

[half zephyr]

I’d be playing hades myself if I didn’t have a bow run waiting for me

[weary lantern]

now i got storm lightning what is going on

gods looking up on me today

[half zephyr]

Looking down

They’re looking at you in general

[weary lantern]

I learned this phrase from vikings, dont look down on me now 😛

[half zephyr]

I’m descended from Vikings

[signal aspen]

storm lightning? thats the one that increases blast radius of lightning right?

[hollow hawk]

storm lightning isnt that good

[hollow hawk]

no, your lightning bounces around more

[signal aspen]

oh

trash

[hollow hawk]

storm lightning is only useful for getting zeus legendary

[signal aspen]

yeah

[hollow hawk]

otherwise its basically useless

[half zephyr]

That’s high voltage

[signal aspen]

alright

[hollow hawk]

never take it over anything like jolted or zeus call if youre like anywhere after asphodel midboss

[weary lantern]

https://prnt.sc/10n99fv

finally beat him lol

[weary lantern]

Okay good to know thank you

[half zephyr]

I feel sorry for than in my runs

[signal aspen]

yeah

[hollow hawk]

the last time i lost to than was like

before i cleared the game for the first time probably

[half zephyr]

He never gets to win & then he tries to brush it off like we were close

And he had like 2 kills to my 30

But he deserves it

[hollow hawk]

i got a 40-0 once lmao

on like 32 heat, no less

[half zephyr]

Just calling me his friend

[weary lantern]

Razor shoal over breaking wave right ?

[weary lantern]

thats crazy

[hollow hawk]

nope

never

[half zephyr]

We’ve been dating since like 50 runs ago!

[hollow hawk]

ever

breaking wave is an amazing boon

poseidon's best tier two boon

[weary lantern]

okay ! had no idea then i take that instead

[hollow hawk]

razor shoals is decent, but breaking wave is very very good

[median needle]

is that the dash

[signal aspen]

no

[median needle]

?

[signal aspen]

something about knocking enemies into walls

[hollow hawk]

no, its a tier two boon that makes a wave whenever you slam enemies into a wall

its so good in styx

[half zephyr]

I usually go shoals cuz I need rupture for PS

[hollow hawk]

and decent everywhere else too

[half zephyr]

But I always get the slam boons offered later on so it’s fine

[median needle]

splash when hit the wall yea .. good one with the dash and the poseidon attack

where i can find speedrun records

[signal aspen]

speedrun . com

[signal aspen]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades

[median needle]

@signal aspen thanks

[weary lantern]

https://prnt.sc/10n9fhp

This not usually heroic?

[signal aspen]

take it

[weary lantern]

Is it because of level ?

But then my duo dont work ?

[signal aspen]

purple boons get replaced by heroics

[median needle]

@weary lantern uhuh great one

[half zephyr]

You can only get heroic certain ways

[signal aspen]

yes it will

if you knock things away it will get struck by lightning

[weary lantern]

😮 then this be crazy

[half zephyr]

Replacing epic will always be heroic..
Leveling with rare crop can end up with Heroic..
Increase rarity from Eurydice can make Heroic..

[signal aspen]

yeah

the only ways to get heroic boons

[half zephyr]

Last one if it’s on your pre existing boons only

[median needle]

@signal aspen 5:57 in game time unseeded that is CRAZY

[signal aspen]

wait who did that

[median needle]

lili

[hollow hawk]

tounis almost beat lili recently, but he got 5 sacked out of a wr

[signal aspen]

lmao

[median needle]

@hollow hawk 5 sacked out of a wr?

[signal aspen]

got a satyr sack in five rooms

[hollow hawk]

5 sack means that the sack in styx didnt appear until the last tunnel

[signal aspen]

(took him 5 rooms to get one)

[median needle]

@hollow hawk I´ve only played one and a half week

[hollow hawk]

which obviously takes much more time than the sack appearing in 2 tunnels

if he had gotten a 2 sack, tounis wouldve had a world record

[median needle]

@hollow hawk that sucks

[hollow hawk]

it does, but thats just the rng of the game, what can ya do

[hardy kernel]

Is it possible to get a 1 sack or not?

[hollow hawk]

nope

[half zephyr]

No

[median needle]

didn´t made a offering to the RNG gods it seems

[hollow hawk]

not a thing

[half zephyr]

Always 2-5

[hardy kernel]

there's a 50% chance to get a two sack right?

[hollow hawk]

2 sack has like a 54.5% chance

[half zephyr]

Maybe one should have a new speed run category
Fastest 5 sack run

[hardy kernel]

Cause it's calculated after you beat the first encounter in the second room right?

[hollow hawk]

he did upload it as that vid

he titled it as 5 sack wr

[half zephyr]

Nice lol

[signal aspen]

lmao

[hollow hawk]

not sure when its calculated, probably at the point when you enter the 5th chamber in the 2nd tunnel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-f3OoiVLX0

heres the run, if anyone is interested

[half zephyr]

I just know it’s never the 2nd tunnel when I want it to be & never the 5th when I want that either

I’ll put it in my watch list

[weary lantern]

Second time i beat the game 😄

https://prnt.sc/10n9z6v final build

that was fun

[median needle]

yesterday I had my first under 20 min iGT

I kept the screenshot gonna post it when I´m home

[rapid forum]

I tried the "pick the worst" run

it's hell

[weary lantern]

delta chamber vs rocket in a eris build? Ive seen delta chamber should be pretty good also?

[manic moat]

rocket

[rapid forum]

rocket

eris also buffs your special

[weary lantern]

okay ty

is it worth buying hammers in shop tho? I still only got 2, i was thinking maybe you get 3 if you pay for one

[hollow hawk]

no

anvil is almost never worth it

2 hammers are the max you will get naturally

you only take anvil if you have really really bad hammers that you dont want

[weary lantern]

okay

[keen bear]

hey random question that probably has been asked before.. sorry but asterius en theseus have a new move and I have no idea where it came from?

its the green wave thingie, it's the first time I notice any bosses doing something new

[median needle]

@keen bear a heat pact adds new boss moves

did you get heat in the run

[hollow hawk]

no its not heat

its an extra move

[keen bear]

No its not indeed

[sleek grail]

is that a god buff

[hollow hawk]

its a move that they do after ||their break-up and make-up||

no

read above

[sleek grail]

right

[keen bear]

oooooh

so it's a story thing! I thought so

[hollow hawk]

they slam into each other, and a green wave like hades' traps comes out

[keen bear]

yeah it's annoying but it's also kind of cute

[hollow hawk]

they scream delta strike before doing it

[brazen lagoon]

Thought it was thunder strike

[keen bear]

I guess it's how they hug

but didnt know it was a story thing!

thanks 🙂

[half zephyr]

It’s their magical girl move

Friendship power all the way

[manic moat]

through the power of love and friendship they shall come together to defeat the fiend and blackguard that kills them repeatedly every day

[hardy arrow]

My interpretation was "Centaur strike". It's looking like this is the Hades version of the pipes are broken.

[unborn remnant]

any hades fans in chat

[signal aspen]

nope

[brazen lagoon]

What is hades

[keen bear]

uups

sorry

[median needle]

duhh

@keen bear more like ... your nick is seriously f*** up

i guess the bot doesn´t concern

[keen bear]

why is my nick messed up?

[brazen lagoon]

I don't see anything wrong with your nick

[signal aspen]

what

[median needle]

just toss them out the window

[brazen lagoon]

Huh

[signal aspen]

what about the name

[brazen lagoon]

The name is normal my guy

[median needle]

😄

[keen bear]

it can also mean removing people from a position of power

[signal aspen]

bruh

[brazen lagoon]

Don't think it's a swear

Haven't heard anyone say 'I will defenestrate you' before

[median needle]

i was just teasing

[brazen lagoon]

Aight then

[unborn remnant]

any shield fans?

[median needle]

@unborn remnant i like zeus shield

[brazen lagoon]

No sir not me

[median needle]

really op with special zeus boon

but the others .meehh

[manic moat]

beo shield is there

[signal aspen]

zeus shield is great

[median needle]

i think it´s the best by far

i know beow is also good but not fitted

for my gamestyle

[unborn remnant]

gang

[signal aspen]

shield is definitely my favorite weapon but i dont know which aspect

[hollow hawk]

beo is an advanced weapon

[median needle]

zeus shield goes well with most boons but clearly strong with a few

[hollow hawk]

you will hate it before you know how to use it

zeus is amazing too, yeah

zag shield is insane with pulverizing blow, still pretty decent otherwise too

[median needle]

@hollow hawk beo works for burst and single damage

[hollow hawk]

its a tactical nuke

that also works amazing at room clear

[signal aspen]

beo is great

[hollow hawk]

and obviously has pretty insane boss dmg, considering it can one shot hades' phases

[signal aspen]

yeah

[manic moat]

how

[signal aspen]

uh

probably aphro

or artemis

[hollow hawk]

the typical beo build

is to go poseidon cast

and aim for arty attack

[signal aspen]

oh yeah

[hollow hawk]

then get mirage shot

[manic moat]

right

[hollow hawk]

you can also do the high roll with dio cast

[manic moat]

I should do that someday

[signal aspen]

dio cast is great with beo

[manic moat]

stygian soul or infernal soul

[hollow hawk]

do stygian soul dio cast, with zeus-dio duo

infernal soul for poseidon cast

[manic moat]

I almost always do stygian soul dio cast and end up getting the duos

[signal aspen]

i usually use infernal for beo/hera

[hollow hawk]

dio cast really needs extra cast stones or mirage shot though, otherwise it doesnt do that well

[manic moat]

yea

[hollow hawk]

charged shot is also a very very good beo hammer

sudden rush and unyielding defense are decent too

[manic moat]

mirage shot is hard to get when doing dio/zeus/demeter

[hollow hawk]

dont use dio-dem duo on beo or hera, it delays the casts timing and makes it act weird

[manic moat]

understandable

[signal aspen]

i was lucky enough to get that once

[manic moat]

it makes it smaller and look weird too

[signal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/806893221841993758/Screenshot_10.png

this was a long time ago

[craggy barn]

you only need one boon from arty or poseidon so you can get the 4 gods you mainly want in tart/aspho then get something from either one of them in elysium depending on if you've already gotten a boon from them or not

[hardy kernel]

zeus vs chaos shield?

[grand crystal]

i enjoy zeus more

more immediate damage and it feels smoother imo

[hardy arrow]

I prefer Zeus mainly because you lose your block during special with the other Shields.

[sage swift]

Hades

[strong ridge]

hades is tsundere
discuss

[oblique sun]

bro he's your dad

[hardy arrow]

Even an old god can still have some growing up to do

[signal aspen]

dad is just a word

[oblique sun]

cAT NO

well greek mythology is full of weird stuff when it comes to relationships

so

[signal aspen]

yeah

[strong ridge]

"what? its not as if i enjoy battling you the death, ch-child"

~half the game

[signal aspen]

boy

[oblique sun]

boy

[strong ridge]

boboboey

[oblique sun]

"stupid boy"

[signal aspen]

b- zagreus

[oblique sun]

b-baka

[grand crystal]

hhhhh what am i reading

[desert meadow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hardy arrow]

Remember that battle where they're like "Wretched excuse for a father!" "Stupid oaf of a son!" That was good stuff.

[oblique sun]

sorry fox

[half zephyr]

I remember the battle where they argued over Zagreus cleaning his room

[oblique sun]

im sorry what now

[half zephyr]

Mid battle banter

Very fun one

[grand crystal]

i mean fighting to the death does spurn conversation like that :3

[strong ridge]

then it stops 😦

[hardy arrow]

"If only you out this energy into cleaning your bedchambers!" Or something like that.

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

It’s not as fun

So he doesn’t bother

[strong ridge]

||also the fact that unless you only do em4 hades is basically just pretending you beat him||

[oblique sun]

oh yeah i remember that

[oblique sun]

actually not i think there was an explanation to this in game

[half zephyr]

It just shows that he does love you

[oblique sun]

like he simply just was rusty and was remembering his old strength while you fought or something like that

[half zephyr]

He only goes all out if you pay for it

[strong ridge]

@oblique sun ||he says "i-i-i had only FORGOTTEN my power, b-boy"|| like thats just 🧢 hes a god lmao

[half zephyr]

He’s just a dad

He tries

[strong ridge]

i love that aspect of him

[oblique sun]

if you don't pay him he's like "i'm too lazy just let me back to my paperwork"

[half zephyr]

Uhhuh

[strong ridge]

basically lol

[half zephyr]

I got better things to do then this Boy

[oblique sun]

what's a good aspect for zeus attack boon

i wanna be able to use it to get legendary but idk it doesn't seem that great

[signal aspen]

zag rail, lucifer, eris, demeter, and talos,

legendary is great

[oblique sun]

luci won't need level 5 then? i only have common/level 1 lucy

[grand crystal]

zeus shield is also good

[signal aspen]

nah

[oblique sun]

isn't zeus shield good with zeus special not zeus attack

[signal aspen]

most builds for luci are attack builds

[oblique sun]

okay so i won't upgrade it i guess lol

since it's not something that focuses on lucy's damage itself is taking eternal chamber good?

[signal aspen]

yeah

zeus attack, zeus legendary, and support fire are boons that you want if you are gonna get eternal chamber

[oblique sun]

okay

i'll do that next run then

doing chiron rn hope i can get charon fight for hermes prophecy

oh boy charon time

i love payback remix

[brisk trail]

Is there any worthwhile story progression after you finish the base game

[oblique sun]

lol "Hey Charon want to fight?" i like how by this point he intentionally fights him

after bringing back persephone or the other "base game"?

[brisk trail]

Bringing Persephone back

[oblique sun]

there is another tad bit of story

do try to forge bonds with everyone

[signal aspen]

epilogue

after that there is not much story left

the only story there is after that is the codex entries made by forging bonds and stuff

[rapid agate]

the "taken by the styx" death message always slams me like a truck

[cerulean ferry]

Same

[oblique sun]

hey i just got that line lmao

question

is there anything i need to do to get dusa to forge a fricking bond with me i had her hearts filled out like 10 attempts ago oh my god

[desert meadow]

Normally I'd try to give an answer but I'm waiting for the same thing lol

I assume just rng till the right dialogue though

[half zephyr]

Story rng

[oblique sun]

that's really odd because there's no story left for dusa

[half zephyr]

Tied to nyx

[oblique sun]

everytime she was inside the house in the last 10+ runs it was just "cleaning! checking stuff! making sure everything is going!"

[half zephyr]

Oh, she’s already been ||fired||?

[oblique sun]

||oh wait she gets fired?||

[desert meadow]

Wait

[oblique sun]

||i only had nyx warn her i guess||

but wiki says nothing about that either-

[desert meadow]

That has to happen before the bond forge stuff?

[half zephyr]

Idk

But if they’ve done everything else

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[desert meadow]

True, could be taking priority

[oblique sun]

there was no progress in anything on dusa in the last 10 runs though

as i said it's always the filler "checked the files, did the things" or "hi prince just doing my thing!" or "you know prince, i really really love this job"

[half zephyr]

You should already be best friends forever

So I can only think of the Nyx thing

[desert meadow]

I guess just hope it pops up at some point

[rapid agate]

explosive shot

on rama

is a VERY VERY VERY bad idea

just unlocked it

[oblique sun]

rama is already slow

why did you take it

[rapid agate]

because i just unlocked it

and didn't know

it was a bad idea

[desert meadow]

It hits hard though

[rapid agate]

yeah but i mostly rely on special now

[desert meadow]

Add triple shot and Rama becomes a melee weapon

[rapid agate]

it takes at least like 6 seconds

to hit ennemies 6 feet in front of me

[oblique sun]

you could've tried it out on skelly beforehand

[rapid agate]

yeah but

[desert meadow]

Not with hammers

[rapid agate]

that isn't even the bad part actually

the bad part is i have ares special

and it kills ennemies before i can hit them

wait i just realized

rama is reverse chiron

chiron you hit with normal attack then special

rama is special then normal attack

[desert meadow]

Yep

[oblique sun]

yeah lol

[rapid agate]

https://imgur.com/MC2QIjO

damn

that took less time than expected

less than 100 runs in

[oblique sun]

defiance is not that hard to get

i usually have like 2 chaos boons which is the minimum for defiance (any chaos boon unlocks the legendary)

[rapid agate]

i have 3

[oblique sun]

i once had 4 curses at once

was fun tbh

[weary lantern]

Want to try Chiron Bow, what build you guys recommend?

[desert meadow]

Heart Rend is great (Aphrodite attack, Artemis special), and Sea Storm is good too (Poseidon special, get Zeus' dash/cast to go for SS, attack can then be either Artemis or Aphrodite).

It's a very easy PS weapon too, for example, having doom on attack (Ares) and hangover on special (Dionysus) would work.

[weary lantern]

Ps weapon ?

[desert meadow]

Privileged Status, it's a mirror perk that gives you 40% bonus damage on any foe with two curses on them.

[weary lantern]

oh right yea

i will try the aphrodite artemis build i think

[vestal wagon]

Hello, does anyone know how large the hades artbook that comes with the physical is?

[weary lantern]

what hammers do you aim for ?

flurry and triplle attack seems good ?

[oblique sun]

concentrated relentless volley

[desert meadow]

Relentless Volley (Your Special shoots +4 shots.) and Concentrated Volley (Your Special deals +3 base damage for each consecutive hit to a foe.) are ideal

[weary lantern]

oh okay

[oblique sun]

you can't target multiple enemies so triple is outright bad

[weary lantern]

ah okay

[desert meadow]

Twin would be decent

[oblique sun]

flurry is like "i don't have any special-buffing choices so i'll take this to quickly apply the curse"

[weary lantern]

Well I got a Concentrated volley

[oblique sun]

conc is probably the best

[weary lantern]

But id never pick it if i did not ask

[desert meadow]

Perfect Shot and Piercing Volley are alright too

But yeah, relentless and concentrated are the best pair

[oblique sun]

i have no idea why but for some reason my survivability with zeusattack lucifer is just really bad???

why am i getting hit so much i lost all 3 dds in elysium

and probably will now die to heroes

i've no idea what happened

probably because attack doesn't stun enemies like on all other weapons

welp time to die lol rip run

[vapid robin]

do u have static discharge with it? i find the jolted effect helps a lot

[oblique sun]

i only got it right at the end

[vapid robin]

oh rip

it’s ok sometimes u just have dookie runs that can’t be saved

[oblique sun]

that was my first time trying zeucifer

[brisk trail]

Aw yeah, Zeusy Lucy.

Oh, wait, you died. Oops.

Were you holding down Attack while Dashing?

[modern arch]

I think, in a modern uni au

Hypnos would be the guy who sleeps through every course but somehow gets amazing grades

He has the secretly very smart vibe

[oblique sun]

yyep, that was not enough to survive the elysian warriors

[brisk trail]

Dash-Striking removes I-frames.

[modern arch]

D:

[brisk trail]

I struggle with that a lot on Lucy, too.

Gotta get used to letting go of Attack while Dashing around.

[oblique sun]

kk

wait dashing has i frames?

[modern arch]

Yes

[oblique sun]

i only use fists where i dash strike mainly so yeah

[modern arch]

It’s the dodge roll of many video games

[oblique sun]

the only game that i know of with a dodge roll is enter the gungeon

by the company called

dodgeroll

[modern arch]

Dark souls

[oblique sun]

heard of, but know nothing about

[modern arch]

Anyway

[oblique sun]

i just know it's renowned for being hard but yeah

[modern arch]

Dashing is ❤️

[half zephyr]

So, I just got my highest % ever from a boon I just picked up without it being pomd

[brisk trail]

I choose to believe you're referring to Dark Souls here.

[oblique sun]

yes

i'm talking about dark souls

[half zephyr]

Epic brilliant riposte - +199% deflect dmg

[modern arch]

Getting +2 or +3 dash from Hermes is amazing most of the time

[oblique sun]

yeah i often take it

[modern arch]

👀

[oblique sun]

but usually because i wanna dash strike with fists

[oblique sun]

and.. what about it..?

i feel like i'm missing something here..?

[brisk trail]

Just riffing on Dark Souls like I like to do.

[half zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546456562433130509/821496033266630706/image0.jpg

[oblique sun]

what does that mean

[oblique sun]

now make it heroic

[modern arch]

:o

[half zephyr]

But it’s too late

I’m in styx

[modern arch]

D:

[oblique sun]

noooo

get rare crop

[half zephyr]

But it’s my highest % ever on something not pomd

[half zephyr]

I wish

Best part is I was aiming for brilliant riposte & would’ve taken it had it been basic even

I really lucked out

[oblique sun]

love it when that happens

[loud barn]

Brilliant riposte is kinda mid imo but its gives you the legendary so I almost always take it

[half zephyr]

I’m doing it for the paladin build!

Arthur + Athena dash + cursed slash + anything you can stack on deflect

[oblique sun]

i don't even like the legendary

[half zephyr]

Just be a healing tank

It’s a fun easy run

[oblique sun]

i find it funny that the Holy Sword Excalibur can be "Cursed"

Holy and Cursed

[half zephyr]

Uhhuh

[oblique sun]

Coly?

Hursed-

[half zephyr]

Hursed

[oblique sun]

yees

[toxic perch]

so when can i send pictures

[oblique sun]

send it somewhere and copy link i guess

[toxic perch]

wtf

[oblique sun]

idk why they allow for embed images but not sending image files :/

[narrow hemlock]

spam.

[toxic perch]

i just downloaded the game and was going to send zeus calling zagreus hades' child even though zeus is his father

[narrow hemlock]

not in hades canon, no

[half zephyr]

So, that’s just 1 myth

[toxic perch]

well the most known one atleast

[half zephyr]

Not to me

I knew him as the son of Hades & Persephone

[toxic perch]

which one are you talking about anyways

[half zephyr]

Before the game

[toxic perch]

lol how? i never heard of that

[oblique sun]

the first thing i find when i look up "zagreus" is child of hades and persephone, and then i find the story of him being Dionysus AND child of hades and persephone after being ripped apart by the titans

[half zephyr]

He’s the son of Zeus & Persephone when he’s Dionysus

[narrow hemlock]

most myths had multiple variations, as a result of being stories that were passed orally for hundreds of years. the myth of zagreus, as little as we know about him, is indeed one that had differing versions

[oblique sun]

actually

who is the original Zagreus the child of?

[toxic perch]

he is mistaken as dionysus

[oblique sun]

it's not just mistaken, shira

[narrow hemlock]

https://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Zagreus.html

[half zephyr]

He is when he’s the son of Zeus & Persephone

[oblique sun]

some tales have it that Zagreus was present during the Titan war, ripped apart to pieces by the titans. His heart left behind, Dionysus was born from it. Later on, Zagreus was reborn as the child of the Underworld King and Queen, making him somewhat the God of Rebirth (which fits the game, since you basically get reborn again and again)

[half zephyr]

So it all boils down to differing myths & origin stories

[oblique sun]

yeah, but i like the one i just sent the most because of the last remark i added

personal opinion, of course

[toxic perch]

wtf

[oblique sun]

oh dear

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

[half zephyr]

Swear filter

Gotta keep it pg in here

[toxic perch]

gotta use wtf as wtf then i guess

noted

[oblique sun]

lol

i don't swear anyways so i can get away with saying frick and fork

anyways

[half zephyr]

I like him as the god of rebirth & mysteries - son of Hades & Persephone

[oblique sun]

and blood

[half zephyr]

But!! I came in here to laugh!

[oblique sun]

that's the title given by Achilles so of course i love it

[half zephyr]

Not the myths I know of

[toxic perch]

one thing clear is mythology is messed up lmao

in many ways

[half zephyr]

There he’s minor in hunting, with rebirth & mysteries

[oblique sun]

i don't know what the god of blood even means, it's just that Achilles gave that to him and therefore i love it lol

[half zephyr]

But, I wanna laugh!

Maybe someone will laugh with me

[oblique sun]

yeah i think Zagreus translates to something like "trapped animal" or not sure, which also explains why Arty would help despite being someone solitary

okok i'll laugh with you

[half zephyr]

I just did hades greater call 3 times in fight with him

[oblique sun]

i need a good laugh after a depression session

i only got to use greater call against him once, and i loved it

[toxic perch]

dude VA is so good

[oblique sun]

"FATHER!"
gets pushed away (not sure if that was a bug or what)
"WHAT!?"

[half zephyr]

“Father!”
”What!?”
“Father!”
”Son!”
“Father!”
”BOY!”

[oblique sun]

i love it

[half zephyr]

[toxic perch]

why am i ignored xd

[oblique sun]

"FATHER!"
"IM RIGHT HERE NO NEED TO SHOUT BOY"

i know this isn't in game but this is just what i imagine every time

[half zephyr]

Same

For me it’s like

What?

Then he’s like aha! Father-son bonding time

[oblique sun]

oh god i just had a thought

imagine if Hades were to use Unseen instead of Invisible

that would not be very nice-

[half zephyr]

But then the third time it’s like BOY WHAT IS IT I DON’T HAVE ALL DAY JUST TELL ME

[oblique sun]

lmfao

[toxic perch]

btw

[oblique sun]

also sorry for not responding shira i just don't know what to say

[half zephyr]

Nope

It’s all pg

Family friendly

[toxic perch]

noo

whyy

gods why

[half zephyr]

Cuz it’s a family oriented game

It’s all about family

[toxic perch]

:(

[oblique sun]

the only non-pg sound is probably just zag saying "wow" after the sounds of whips from megaera, which if you don't know what it is, is still pg technically speaking

[half zephyr]

Mhmm

[oblique sun]

given the amount of incest and weird family stuff in greek mythology, i'd be scared if it's all about family

[half zephyr]

Meg is a sweetheart tho

[half zephyr]

[oblique sun]

oh no

[toxic perch]

we dont talk about that

[half zephyr]

They’re all foster siblings

[toxic perch]

ssh

[half zephyr]

And zag did grow up thinking Than was his actual brother

[oblique sun]

anyways how about we uhhh go back to talk about hades instead

nO SHADOW STOP DONT GO T H E R E

[half zephyr]

It’s still Greek mythology after all

[oblique sun]

SHIRA

[half zephyr]

Even after they tried to remove it in this game

[oblique sun]

yeah

[narrow hemlock]

the official stance is zag and than are childhood friends

[oblique sun]

i mean Aphrodite is literally naked every time she' on screen

[half zephyr]

That’s aphy

She’s a naturalist

[fringe elbow]

historians be like: and they lived together until their death, truly the best of friends

[toxic perch]

im also naturalist for thanzag

[oblique sun]

my head is starting to hurt from the greekothology

[toxic perch]

[oblique sun]

oh dear

[narrow hemlock]

remember rule 2 in #readme-first and lets stop making innuendos please

[toxic perch]

:(

[oblique sun]

thanks

um

i'll just look up what that word is though from context i think i get it

lET'S TALK ABOUT HADES THE GAME

uh

chiron good i like fists even though apparently they're not good for high heats

[narrow hemlock]

the game isnt balanced around high heat so theres certain aspects that suffer more than others

[hardy kernel]

That's sad

[oblique sun]

i'll make it that way

wait no i don't have time for that

rip

i meant that i'd try to beat high heats with zag fists but no time

[dapper oracle]

remind me please what the name of the spear hades uses is

gigantus or something?

[narrow hemlock]

not really? it's reasonable. the dev team has stats through early access and into launch of the weapons, boons and heats players use. i'm sure their data reflected that it wasnt worth the dev time to extensively balance the game at high heat, as the fraction of players reaching those points is small

[oblique sun]

i know he calls it "Giga" but i forget the full name

[hardy kernel]

Varatha

[dapper oracle]

that's his old weapon

in the fight he uses a different weapon

[toxic perch]

damn

it feels bad to die with reflect on Q

[dapper oracle]

google just says it's a bident which is frustrating

[oblique sun]

and the 2nd result is "Hades game wiki - Infernal Arms"

[narrow hemlock]

gigaros! is the name you're looking for

[oblique sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459790522706558976/821505350293258260/unknown.png

[dapper oracle]

GIGAROS

thanks!

how did you do that? I can't post media in this channel

[oblique sun]

i sent a link

sent the image to my friend

copied link

sent it here

[dapper oracle]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1747082607.3517/fposter,small,wall_texture,product,750x1000.jpg I keep seeing this icon in other media and not knowing what it's called

[oblique sun]

i do it on my private server sometimes but i know my friend will like the joke too :p

[oblique sun]

it's his beard

[narrow hemlock]

im not sure the seal is ever officially named anywhere, as far as i recall

[dapper oracle]

well the thing is https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/evangelion/images/5/5d/Lance_of_Longinus.png/revision/latest?cb=20120320234343 this is the spear from neon genesis evangelion

and it has some resemblance with the hades icon, which is why I kept getting confused

[oblique sun]

my friend used to see it as ! before realizing the actual shape so now we just call it the "exclamation mark sign"

[dapper oracle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/6/64/Hades.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/493?cb=20210207072259 also technically it looks like it's his moustache, not his beard

[oblique sun]

oh yea

[dapper oracle]

his chin is clean shaven, that's all from above his mouth lol

[oblique sun]

i sometimes get confused between similar english words my bad

[dapper oracle]

I mean

it's totally reasonable to assume that's his beard

[oblique sun]

nono i actually did know it was his um

[dapper oracle]

but I took a closer look and I was like wait a minute does he actually have a visible chin?

[oblique sun]

his moustache

[dapper oracle]

ah ok

[oblique sun]

i just tend to forget the word

but yeah speaking about images, i don't see why sending files isn't allowed but embed image links is..? sounds like a bit of hassle ig, at least we can send images in victory boasting lol

i think you can but it only works like a block

[toxic perch]

good enough

[oblique sun]

oh

my message isn't being sent my internet is dying

i'm not sure though

[narrow hemlock]

if you want to spam you need to put more effort into it :) also with embeds we can remove the embed individually as well

[oblique sun]

makes sense i suppose, but couldn't there be some form of active people roles just to ease it off for people who've been here for longer and probably ever-so-slightly trusted?

idk

probably still dangerous

also i personally find that spamming links is a lot easier than spamming files- because of the file waiting time

[narrow hemlock]

nah, its not really a problem n this server because most people know to behave, so we keep it as is. it works for us. ive been on other servers where users can just directly post images freely where ever they want and it leads to a more generally chaotic environment. without direct uploads users are forced to engage in more meaningful discussion

[oblique sun]

yeah i'm just throwing ideas around, sorry if it's a bit annoying

[narrow hemlock]

no you're good! the bot also bops people for posting links too fast

[grand crystal]

i was muted for like 10 minutes cuz of that and i was very sad ;w;

[oblique sun]

heck

[narrow hemlock]

a mod must not have been around to catch it, we try to manually unmute if we notice someone was just contributing to convo

[oblique sun]

well i personally don't find it too bad given i have a server on my own to post stuff to and then post links, so i'm not complaining ;p

[grand crystal]

i was trying to mention how zamazenta from pokemon looks like magnamalo but the images were sent too consecutively i suppose :/

[oblique sun]

pfft

[toxic perch]

wow spear is so good

but its harder to use

[half zephyr]

Nooooo

Why

Why dis

[grand crystal]

??

what happened

[half zephyr]

Exclusive access
Epic Breaking Wave
Mirage Shot

What do I choose?!?

Guh

[grand crystal]

what area??

[half zephyr]

Exclusive access I guess

I’m just about to fight Lernie

[grand crystal]

yea thats what i would take

[half zephyr]

I just

I wanted breaking wave or rupture but how can I say no to exclusive access this early

And I summoned Poseidon too TT

I didn’t think he’d appear twice

I got the dash I wanted & was happy w that

[grand crystal]

well now everything will be epic :3

so thats always nice

[half zephyr]

True

[oblique sun]

i've been trying to get rip current for soo long it just won't appear

[rapid agate]

anything

it always works

IT'S THE BESTTTTTTT

dionysus special is really good tho

couple it with like pressure points

[oblique sun]

i honestly like special damage so i usually plop in demeter special and anything that makes special deal more damage like chaos

fsr i don't like things that don't scale so i never use hungover or zeus lightning on special or attack

[remote solstice]

What gods would you like to see? I was talking with a friend and we came up with a bunch.
Apollo: blind effect
Haphaestus: stun/stagger
Hestia: flame effect (DoT that starts high and tapers down?)
Hera: healing/lifesteal

[rapid agate]

Hephaestus would likely just be daedalus hammer but +

apollo would be aoe

hit someone and it hits around them

[eternal fulcrum]

well, just got it handed to me by hades for the first time

[remote solstice]

Ooh maybe hera would be a 'betrayal' ability. Make the enemies damage each other as they attack?

[oblique sun]

i honestly thought hephaestus would be some fire abilities

[brisk trail]

omgg your pfp is such a happi cube! :)))

[oblique sun]

I can send you more cubes

[hardy arrow]

Not a god but I think it would have been interesting to include Daedalus himself as a way to input run seeds, the idea being as Zagreus gets better at "testing security" he gets some way of sending passwords to Daedalus to custom request a particular configuration for testing.

[rapid agate]

by the way does dash-strike buffs... buff dash-special?

[carmine ravine]

Dash strike is dash strike iirc

[grand crystal]

dash special is a fist exclusive thing that is its own separate thing i believe

[high island]

The boons Hunter Dash and Lunge buff both Malphon's Dash-Attack and Dash-Special. The Daedalus upgrades Rolling Knuckle and Breaching Cross only buff its Dash-Attack.

[brisk trail]

dude i am so heated

i just lost my 14 win streak

on my first run with gilgamesh

it happened actually three times where i would have just the last two enemies or so and get hit and lose my death defiance

i suppose i just got way too confident after so many wins in a row, and the alternative moveset must take some getting used to

[trim nova]

Guys what happen if i continue to give nectar ti sisifo's rock? Everytime it accept it but in the lorebook doesnt appear the progression. Ty

[dull niche]

nothing, it just gives you a small, random, buff for the rest of your run

[trim nova]

Ty

[carmine ravine]

What do you expect from talking to a rock

[desert meadow]

The enemies died due to a sudden divorce mid combat with the prince of the underworld, legends say it only took one arrow and the bloodless started a civil war.

In all seriousness though, Hera is a hard one to create boons for.
Apollo can play with light/music, Hephaestus has hammers and fire, and Hestia has whatever the heck a hearth gives her; but Hera???

[carmine ravine]

Sits on chair

[brisk trail]

betrayal/curse for hera would be cool

Maybe her abilities could have enemies attack other enemies or give little support enemies to help you

aphrodites charm does that but

maybe for hera its level one boons

that would be cool

on like attack /special/cast/dash

the main ones

im sad apollo isnt in hades

would love to see apollo in sexc sexc hades style

[remote solstice]

Oh dang summons would be great but maybe for someone else. Haphaestus making summoned golems or robots?

[winter zinc]

those are such good ideas

[charred swallow]

I don't know if this is the right spot, I wanted to bring up a certain boon that tends to cover up too much and blocks your sight specially in combo with other boons.

Mainly Dionysus dash, when using that with the Zeus attack boon on the rail made it very hard to see what is going on in the fury sisters fight.

[hollow hawk]

Hm yeah, that's just how dio dash is

[versed zinc]

how to unlock the resource director?

guys?

[winter zinc]

reach the first ending

defeat the final boss 10 times i believe

[lost wolf]

Man, I wish that Zag Rail shot faster or something

[carmine ravine]

Why do u even play zag aspects

[karmic trellis]

i was doing a fresh file of hades cause why not and i'm surprised i stuck with the early game. it's really slow and boring in my opinion. your upgrades are non-existent and you don't feel like a god. you feel like a stupid boy just as hades says. once you stick with it the game feels great, you feel like a powerful god.

[hollow hawk]

Well, it's designed to be that way, yeah

You only have one dash, no extra health, no dds etc

[sudden patrol]

i just had an insane achilles run

I got hunting blades, slicing shot, flurry cast, black metal, engulfing vortex, and mirage shot

I was doing like 4k damage in 3-4 seconds

[opaque radish]

4 achievements left

Skelly's, the companions, and then slashed benefits

then I'll power up all weapons with blood

getting bonds with all characters

level all companions, get all prophecies, and then its heats

[floral vessel]

do i have to do Musician and Muse before i can do sisyphus' favor?

[brisk trail]

I don't think so.

[floral vessel]

cuz i have all the prerequisites for sysiphus and I haven't gotten the prophecy for it

or any of the proper lines

[signal otter]

hera with doom on attack and a lodging cast (artemis in my case) seems really good

[oblique sun]

I assume you have administration chamber and 5 hearts with nyx, and 6 with sisyphus, if that's the case then you just need to keep talking to sisyphus until it comes up, maybe you haven't talked to him enough simply

[floral vessel]

maybe

dont i also need 6 hearts with megaera?

[oblique sun]

I don't think so, I don't think I had it when u released him

[oblique sun]

question, for poseidon's bond, should i fish BEFORE finding his first boon? I'd sometimes get his boon in Tartarus, fish in Asphodel but then he wouldn't give me any lines for the bond, gods only talk to me on the first boon

[night cloud]

Sucks that 2 times in a row I met Asterius but didn't get the dialogue?

[oblique sun]

dialogue for what-

[night cloud]

||Gilgamesh Fists||

[oblique sun]

oh huh

i actually got it first try

did you get the "Fighting me bare handed" dialogue before (which you have to have fists for)? that's required too

[night cloud]

I only use fists and I invested more than 5 Titan Blood in fists and I never got that either? lol

[oblique sun]

i also got it first time using fists lol

[ornate dragon]

I still

Have no idea

For any of the lord

I’ll research the lore after I 100% the game lol

[oblique sun]

oh lore not lord

lore for what?-

[ornate dragon]

This game

I have no idea what’s going on lol