h1-discussion

[half zephyr]

^

[signal aspen]

thats pretty much it

stygian soul is good too

[rapid agate]

it's more complicated than that

[signal aspen]

most of it is just choosing what you like

[signal aspen]

ok

[weary lantern]

ruthless reflex seem kinda op, but you also miss one dash

[rapid agate]

achilles got dipped in styx and became invulnerable

so my guess is it's not blood

[signal aspen]

oh

i thought it was something else

[rapid agate]

it's A MAGIC SUBSTANCE

[signal aspen]

its been a while since i read the mythology

[signal aspen]

its good with hidden fists

[rapid agate]

ruthless reflex is awesome

if i get two dashes i just end up dashing into lava

[fringe elbow]

thats what i use, and just go for hades if you want more dashes

[rapid agate]

or traps

[fringe elbow]

i mean hermes lol

[weary lantern]

I just maxed stygian soul that seems really good

not chasing crystals anymore

[signal aspen]

i like having movement

[weary lantern]

and now i collect for the last 3 🙂

[signal aspen]

both casts are good

[desert meadow]

Stygian is great for cast builds

You just need extra casts from chaos, wells, or artemis' legendary

[dusky wedge]

I liked Stygian soul when I first started the game but now, I prefer my 3 casts rather than a single one

[signal aspen]

stygian is better

if you can get more casts

you can get five stacks of casts on one enemy at once

so if you are lucky enough to get 5 casts

then that is 25 casts on an enemy

[dire dagger]

isn't dark regeneration >>>>>>>>> chthonic vitality?

[desert meadow]

Enough casts with stygian becomes its own weapon tbh

Especially with Ares or Demeter cast, you can fill the screen with casts

[opal oar]

its red powerade

[half zephyr]

I love my dark regen

Especially after the upgrade on darkness

Yay for more max health \0/

Yay for regen \0/

[dire dagger]

mhmmmm

[vapid narwhal]

Well, if you take dark foresight, dark regen basically loses all value

[rapid agate]

exactly

[rapid agate]

disagree

[dire dagger]

i've been meaning to ask what exactly dark foresight does, i don't quite get it from the wording

[vapid narwhal]

So if you are trying to push clears and not darkness farming, don't take dark regen

[rapid agate]

i'm on a run with dark regen on and with my favourite weapon having dark thingo (the thing that boosts the amount of darkness you get) and i lost 2 dd's

[vapid narwhal]

You get more stuff that helps you beat a run

[rapid agate]

one in a totally normal room

Chthonic vitality is best

[vapid narwhal]

With dark foresight you see significantly less Darkness

[dire dagger]

i guess it's more meaningful once you don't need more meta resources

[half zephyr]

But I love my dark regen

I wasn’t talking about yours

[vapid narwhal]

And if you are pushing clears you more than likely will take keys for rerollet

[rapid agate]

by the way you get NOTHING out of dark regen in styx

[brazen lagoon]

I always prefer dark regen

[half zephyr]

I don’t need it in styx

[vapid narwhal]

Also, p sure cthonic regens more overall

[brazen lagoon]

Not taking any opinions

[rapid agate]

meanwhile chthonic vitality gives you at least like 12 health

per room

s

[half zephyr]

I barely lose any health in styx anymore 😗

[vapid narwhal]

And you can always count on it getting you something

[brazen lagoon]

Just too much of a Gamer smh

[rapid agate]

yeah

[half zephyr]

I know what boons to pick up to get dps now

[rapid agate]

Chthonic vitality fixes your small mistakes

i don't know what dark regen even is good for

[half zephyr]

I just don’t like it only giving 3

[vapid narwhal]

With darkness regen on none farming run you could go though an entire region without seeing one

[half zephyr]

It’s so blegh

[rapid agate]

3 is enough

a small skull hits for 3

[half zephyr]

I always go for darkness rooms anyways

[rapid agate]

and you generally don't even get hit by those

except in high heat

[half zephyr]

Unless I really need a reroll dice

[vapid narwhal]

3 is 3 percent of 100 starting hp

[rapid agate]

yeah

and 6 percent if you go high confidence

[half zephyr]

But I get +5 max hp from darkness

So I’d always be going for darkness anyways

[brazen lagoon]

I like getting that big health boost after killing a boss

[vapid narwhal]

... that is not dark regen

[weak spruce]

dark regen is superior

[brazen lagoon]

Yes

[vapid narwhal]

• max hp is a different thing....

[half zephyr]

No, I’m saying that since I’d already be going for darkness, I like dark regen more

I don’t need to heal often

So it’s more like an added bonus when I get more hp

[weak spruce]

+3 hp is like a joke

[vapid narwhal]

Well if you are on farming run sure

[half zephyr]

Like I said - I love MY dark regen

I never switch it out

[dire dagger]

i guess this difference of pushing for clear vs darkness farming only makes sense in higher heat levels, because for now i'm just doing everything at the same time

[vapid narwhal]

On heat pushing runs? No lol

[weak spruce]

+5 would be okay I think

[hollow hawk]

styx chambers exist baby

[rapid agate]

tell that to my run

+0 hp is a better joke

[hollow hawk]

taking like 4 or 5 dmg in a styx chamber is common, hence the +3 hp helps a lot there

[rapid agate]

I don't take damage but i wanna heal

[brazen lagoon]

Dark regen still better imo

[rapid agate]

i have 0 dd's now

[weak spruce]

high heat runs are usually with lc4 no ?

[opal oar]

oh i have the +3 regen thing i forget what it's from tho

[rapid agate]

simply because i didn't heal in styx

[hollow hawk]

if you still struggle with bosses i guess dark regen works

[rapid agate]

bosses are izi for now

[hollow hawk]

mirror talent named cthonic vitality

[rapid agate]

even with measures on

[hollow hawk]

yeah

[rapid agate]

extreme measures on

[hollow hawk]

neither matters there

[opal oar]

thanks!

[rapid agate]

lernie and the sisters are EASY

[weak spruce]

so both are useless in high heat

[rapid agate]

still haven't tried asterius and theseus tho

[hollow hawk]

dark regen doesnt heal you in high heat anyway, and neither does cthonic

which is why we're not talking about high heat

just general, casual play

[rapid agate]

high heat means no heal at all actually

or close to no heal

[weak spruce]

okay now lets go back to no heat runs

you can get up to 150 darkness from chests etc.

which heals you a ton

so dark regen good

[rapid agate]

you don't get hit to profit off of it

[hollow hawk]

if youre running no heat, youre probably farming right?

[weak spruce]

yep

[rapid agate]

heck, i get hit more often by the things spawned by the chests

[brazen lagoon]

After careful consideration

[hollow hawk]

hence, its very easy for you

[dire dagger]

or if you haven't got to the high heat levels yet

[hollow hawk]

because again, its a farming run

its an easy run

theres no heat

[brazen lagoon]

I still prefer dark regen

[weak spruce]

[hollow hawk]

its not really that challenging

so healing doesnt matter

[weak spruce]

but then we come to the conclusion that

[rapid agate]

consistent healing>"chunk" healing

[weak spruce]

both are actually not that good anyway

[hollow hawk]

casual play does not mean no heat

???

you brought up no heat

i was referring to casual play

[weak spruce]

oh

you mean like low heat

[hollow hawk]

youre just farming meta currencies, increasing heat bit by bit

yes

[dire dagger]

what i'm doing pretty much

[hollow hawk]

trying to get the epilogue, e.g

there, you wont get darkness from bosses

[rapid agate]

one of my best runs was just ruined cause i got dark regen instead of chthonic

[grand crystal]

cthonic is good for bounties and dark regen is good for high heat but not lc4, thats my take on it anyway

[hollow hawk]

so dark regen is literally useless

[grand crystal]

and dark regen needs you to have the bounties already to be useful

otherwise its meh

[hollow hawk]

how is dark regen good for high heat on non lc4

lol

[weak spruce]

okay with low heat I think cv could work since it's consistent but it can't beat the hard regen from a 150 darkness chest or the ones you buy from trader

[hollow hawk]

unless you have 20 heat bounties already

[dire dagger]

still troves and chamber rewards healing more than room to room before styx, helping get there with full DDs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rapid agate]

anyway

[grand crystal]

getting massive heals from bosses

[hollow hawk]

trader gives you like 30 darkness lmao

[rapid agate]

do i try to go back in styx chambers

[hollow hawk]

its better to just buy the health at charon

[rapid agate]

to try and get a styx drop to get a dd back

[grand crystal]

do you not want free hp??

[rapid agate]

before hades

[grand crystal]

if you haev the bounties already

[rapid agate]

or do i go directly to hades

[grand crystal]

the darkness from bosses is just free hp

[rapid agate]

since i got full hp

[weak spruce]

well it really depends on the situation, sometimes you get no +hp, also there are darkness chambers

[hollow hawk]

if you do have 20 heat bounties, youll already be pretty decent at killing bosses

[rapid agate]

you already get free hp after bosses

[hollow hawk]

also 5 sacks exist

which is where 3 hp per styx chamber is so good

[weak spruce]

if you go to a darkness chamber it also will give you +5 max hp cuz of the director so adds up with dark regen

[hollow hawk]

@rapid agate how many dds do ya have

[weak spruce]

etc

[grand crystal]

why not get more :/

[hollow hawk]

you only get like 3 darkness chambers though

[grand crystal]

being at full after a boss is so nice

[rapid agate]

right now? 0

because i lost 2

[hollow hawk]

oof

that shucks

[rapid agate]

in absolutely normal rooms

because i didn't have enough hp

smh

[weak spruce]

yea when no heat

[hollow hawk]

maybe go for extra styx chambers i guess

if youre at no heat, why are you taking that much dmg from bosses tho lmao

[rapid agate]

dark thirst+dark regen is a lieeeeeeeeee

[hollow hawk]

its no heat

[rapid agate]

it's a lieee i tell you

[hollow hawk]

then again, im not telling yall how to play

do what you want

🤷‍♂️

[rapid agate]

anyway heck it i'm gonna go do hades

[hollow hawk]

just presenting an argument about why cthonic is decent

and to not blindly ignore it

[rapid agate]

there

[weak spruce]

each styx chamber has how many floors, 4-5 ?

[grand crystal]

yea again on lc4 none of it matters

but you wont be taking lc4 unless its super high heat or smth

[weak spruce]

well lc4 works 32+

[dire dagger]

so if you need more healing in styx, pick cthonic, if you need more realing in the rest of the run while you pick darkness chambers for max health anyway, dark regen

[weak spruce]

lets say the chamber has 5 floors right

5x3 like

meh

[rapid agate]

just took a hit for 80

welp

run over

[hollow hawk]

4-5, yes

[hollow hawk]

super high heat wh

lc4 is a pretty recommended pick at 32

and thats not super high heat

[hollow hawk]

run when you have boiling blood in boi

dont take dmg when you have those green orbs in you, you take double dmg during that

[grand crystal]

for most people 16 is high

[rapid agate]

ggwp

[grand crystal]

i only take lc4 at lower heats since i still need to get used to it

[hollow hawk]

what

16 isnt high at all though

high heat starts at 32

if 32 is super high heat, then what do you describe 40-50 heat as?

ultra omega high heat?

[weak spruce]

killing yourself in lava to get healed is 300 iq move with lc4

[hollow hawk]

lol

[dire dagger]

most players will probably stop before getting to 5 :P

[half zephyr]

That’s in the high heat channel tho

In this channel 16 is p high

[hollow hawk]

yall making your own stuff up based on what channel youre in

👏

[half zephyr]

No

To me 8 heat is high heat

[weak spruce]

in new players channel heat is basically spoiler

so actually it

kinda makes sense I guess

[half zephyr]

Not basically - it is a spoiler

[hollow hawk]

yknow what im done with this convo

[rapid agate]

do i spent 2 diamonds and one ambrosia just to unlock guan yu?

[weak spruce]

unlock it when you can max level it

or pain awaits

[half zephyr]

I mean, you can unlock at any time

But don’t recommend trying it out before it’s maxed

[grand crystal]

or be a gamer and do 32 heat with it at base level like me 😎

[craggy barn]

you've seen 50 heat baby hestia

now get ready for:

50 heat baby guan yu

[dusky wedge]

Concentrated Knuckle says “deal +5 base damage for each consecutive hit to foe”, which means every consecutive “me hitting the foe without being hit back”?

[desert meadow]

Should be each consecutive hit before the chain of punches is broken

[signal aspen]

i think its every attack you land without missing

[dusky wedge]

So, +25 for full combo before resetting to normal?

[desert meadow]

That sounds right, yeah

[dusky wedge]

If I break away from the foe before five punches, does that mean the buff is immediately gone?

[desert meadow]

It'll just reset the combo with your next hit

[dusky wedge]

That sounds like if I broke away, the first hit is buffed with the previous combo buff, but the second one is just going to be normal, thus, I can only get up to 4 punches worth of buff maximum, yeah? So, in most realistic situations, getting full +25 is rare

[brisk trail]

yeah

im just happy the blink in this game is so usefull

@desert meadow when did you get this game

[dusky wedge]

You mean the dodge?

[brisk trail]

same thing

blink dash

[signal aspen]

i wonder if it continues when you cancel with a dash attack

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, pretty responsive

[brisk trail]

did anyone here play kings road

[desert meadow]

After last Christmas, why?

[brisk trail]

just interested

i just got the game

[desert meadow]

Ah

[brisk trail]

i have always loved grinding/RPG games

i played them less because i never really had friends that were into it

plus i used to be a greek mythology nerd

that was fun

[dusky wedge]

I guess there must be a time window where there it still counts as a consecutive hits, however small it may be

[brisk trail]

btw guys what is the main purpose of the nectar pots

[desert meadow]

These?

[dusky wedge]

To be given to people

[brisk trail]

yup

ik

[signal aspen]

give it to people

[desert meadow]

Yeah, they're gifts

[brisk trail]

but do they give any other advantages

[signal aspen]

you will get keepsakes

[brisk trail]

its jsut a gift

no gift in return ?

[signal aspen]

they will help you

[brisk trail]

thought so

[desert meadow]

You get a keepsake for the first time you gift them something, and from there it's mostly story stuff

[signal aspen]

also you can get a workorder that makes it so grabbing nectar levels a random boon once

[leaden patio]

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[karmic trellis]

poseidon blade boosts cast damage right?

[desert meadow]

Yeah

[signal aspen]

yes

[karmic trellis]

thought

[desert meadow]

By 10% more each level

[signal aspen]

50% at max

[brisk trail]

is there any point giving hades nectar

[winter harbor]

Yes, but you have to finish the story first

[signal aspen]

yeah

finish the main story

[cerulean ferry]

Yeah || he'll give them back once you've completed it anyways ||

[hardy kernel]

just got a 13:40

[signal aspen]

nice

[hardy kernel]

Thanks

It was a Hestia run

[signal aspen]

nice

[rocky patrol]

I still need to get a good bow run so I can be done with the bow for now

[dusky wedge]

Any of the three alternate aspects are good imo

[rocky patrol]

I don’t have titans blood

[dusky wedge]

Anyone knows what the theme in Contractor actually does? I don’t see any changes...

[dusky wedge]

Ahh

[rocky patrol]

But I think I’ll trade some ambrosia for titans blood because i usually have a harder time getting titans blood than ambrosia

[dusky wedge]

Well, farm it with other weapons? Or get some by trading in with Broker?

[rocky patrol]

Yea I’ll do that

[dusky wedge]

Yes, this is what I did during early game

[rocky patrol]

I’ve fought the minataur and the dude enough times for it to be not as hard anymore as it was when I first started

Well the base game one

[dusky wedge]

Anything in this game gets easier the more you fight them, just like in any other action game

[rocky patrol]

But when I get to do some of the heat stuff it’s gonna get harder

[dusky wedge]

So, technically, we’re all going to get there someday

[hardy kernel]

Just got a Scyllacion?

[dusky wedge]

Rare fish

[rocky patrol]

I would have more titans blood if I didn’t spend it all on the sword to get skelly companion I think it was a bad decision

[dusky wedge]

It’s not that bad tbh, considering you’ll probably gonna do it someday anyway

I maxed out spear first, but nowadays I mostly run shield

[hardy kernel]

what are all of the rare fish?

[dusky wedge]

There’s 5 of them

[rocky patrol]

I haven’t used the companion yet I should though it would probably make some stuff easier

[hardy kernel]

Companions are amazing

[rocky patrol]

I only have one charge on rib or whatever skelly companions name is

[dusky wedge]

Voidskate, Scylla, Flame-eater, Seamare, Stonewhal and Sturgeon

So, 6 overall lmao not 5 my bad

[rocky patrol]

I always have trouble with hades though I always get clapped in phase two of his fight

[dusky wedge]

Yeah, use the companions

Although I find it to really help when you have put some ambro in them

[hardy kernel]

I still haven't gotten Voidskate, Seamare, and Sturgeon and also the Mati?

[rocky patrol]

I think I’m gonna trade ambro and get some titans blood and if I have any left put it into the companion

[dusky wedge]

Voidskate in chaos realm, seamare in elysium and sturgeon at final boss fight

Mati also chaos realm

[hardy kernel]

ok cool thanks!

Getting fish in chaos realm is so rare

[dusky wedge]

You know what they all say, Huge Catch is best legendary boon /s

[rocky patrol]

I need to think more before I go into the chaos realm I usually just hop in no matter what

[craggy barn]

huge catch is really nice early on

[dusky wedge]

Chaos boons are always take for me, especially if I have Athena

Athena can give much DDs back

[rocky patrol]

I usually end up taking it before bosses though which always make it harder

[dusky wedge]

Ah yes, shouldn’t have taken that

Remember that boss rooms are room 14, 24 and 34

[rocky patrol]

I usually take the one that increases like money rewards and that stuff which rarely has a bad punishment but it’s still annoying

[craggy barn]

the curses are completely random

you're just kinda lucky with affluence for some reason

or perhaps it beckons you to do a hoarding slash run

[rocky patrol]

Huh the increased rewards are never too bad in my opinion a lot of the time for me it’s stuff with the cast which I should use more but I don’t really use the cast that much

[craggy barn]

boiling blood is a good incentive to actively use your cast since it makes enemies take more damage

[desert meadow]

Casts are just really good tbh

[dusky wedge]

Just remember to try to lodge one into a boss for that extra damage

For general use, I find casts to work best with alternate weapon aspects

[craggy barn]

is boiling blood additive or multiplicative

i feel like i should know but i don't

[dusky wedge]

Additive I think

Should be doing more damage if it was multiplicative

[rocky patrol]

I usually only use my cast when I get like the ares cast or the zues cast

[craggy barn]

i don't see how you'd ever take slicing shot unless you're fishing for hunting blades

[grand crystal]

(all damage is additive unless its a crit :3)

[craggy barn]

pretty sure shared suffering is multi though

[grand crystal]

shared suffering is just taking 60% of your damage and doing it again :/

still additive

since 100 damage + 60%

160

[rocky patrol]

Because blade rift looks sick and it’s fun to throw around

[craggy barn]

shared suffering is just taking 60% of your damage and doing it again :/

still additive

???

[grand crystal]

yea

since 60% of lets say 100 is 60

you arent dealing 600

youre dealing 160

since it deals 60%

adding it to the main number

and dealing 200 and getting shared suffering to prock does 120 extra

thus 200 + 120

its still additive

just now it can affect a whole room

[half zephyr]

[grand crystal]

hi shadow :3

[half zephyr]

[bright forge]

Am I missing some to initiate the Patroclus-achilles thing? Same with euridice and orpheus tbh. They're all nectared up and it's not like there are any other voice lines taking precedence, but nothing is happening

[cerulean ferry]

Iirc you need to have Nyx at 5 hearts for Orpheus and Eurydice. Don't know about the Achilles one, just keep talking to them

[unkempt sleet]

To initiate Achilles' favor you need to complete either Orpheus' or Sisyphus' first.

[sudden patrol]

aspect of rama is good but now im used to using it and i cant get used to using chiron anymore

rip

[fallow orbit]

@tame loom!

[modern arch]

Very important question

What’s the temperature like in the House

Is it cold, brisk, warm, or hot

[half zephyr]

I’d say it’s just right

[modern arch]

Hades probs wants himself to b comfortable

[old burrow]

Wait wait wait I just had an idea

Co-op hades runs?

[half zephyr]

Think I read that multiplayer is not gonna be a thing

[old burrow]

Tragic

But understandable

[half zephyr]

Ah, yes

Tatz wrote the msg

”hades convo belongs in any number of the related hades channels, this is the off topic channel. but yes, as per #hades-faq the game was made from the ground up as a single player experience, there is no multiplayer planned.”

So it’s somewhere in the faq I guess

[old burrow]

Yup right there

Was just high and excited

[narrow hemlock]

its right here @old burrow @half zephyr #hades-faq message

[half zephyr]

I don’t really visit the faq cuz I don’t have many questions myself yet

[rancid vapor]

Does sweet nectar double the effect of ||pom blossom||?

[manic bobcat]

I don't think so unfortunately

[grand crystal]

yea the pom blossom is seperate

[median needle]

Is it me or Persephone trinket is super op

*keepsake

[oblique sun]

It's pretty pretty good

I think it counts every room in styx as encounter so it does a lot of extra levels in styx
Or maybe it always works with chambers and not encounters and I just forgot lol

[median needle]

Wich other compares

[median needle]

Yes it does

[oblique sun]

I feel like everything is situational though

[charred anchor]

does hestia empower ricochet fire

or does it only affect the first shot

[brazen lagoon]

Affects the ricochet shot as well

[sudden patrol]

how am i supposed to clear a run with the shield

I need it for the prophecy but it's just impossible

[oblique sun]

Use the block a lot

Like, abuse it

Don't spam attack or special, use bull rush a lot

And that way, the shield will be a lot slower than other weapons, it's okay

[sudden patrol]

I'm doing that

[oblique sun]

It'It's better taking 40 minutes in one run than 3 hours in 6 failed runs or something

[sudden patrol]

but it just deals no damage at all

[oblique sun]

I usually try to get some high damage boon and minotaur rush regorge

[fringe elbow]

or you can bull rush and dash strike like a madman, that works

[oblique sun]

Reforge

[sudden patrol]

I've got sudden rush and common aspect of chaos

[oblique sun]

Yeah I usually just bull rush, dash strike somewhere safe, then bull rush again

[fringe elbow]

chaos is one of the better aspects for shield imo

[sudden patrol]

I have aphro on it with like 118 up damage

[oblique sun]

Not at low level though

[sudden patrol]

I have the other non hidden one

[fringe elbow]

just make sure youre using throw to actually take advantage of it

[sudden patrol]

but it just seems meh also

the throw? wdy,

wdym

[fringe elbow]

well, nothing is really as great as it could be at base level

[sudden patrol]

I'm not going for special damage

[fringe elbow]

still good to get some damage off before you make it to the enemy

[oblique sun]

hera

[fringe elbow]

esp, if you have an effect that hits multiple enemies

[sudden patrol]

hera sucks at base level

as do all bow aspects

[oblique sun]

Just one thing, after using special, do dash a lot to not get hit as you can't shield

[half zephyr]

Chaos shield?

[fringe elbow]

i rarely ever use the block function with the shield, unless ive got the boon that makes it provide a damage buff

[half zephyr]

Or Beyblade?

[oblique sun]

Choas

[half zephyr]

Aah, Pinball 2

Spam special

[fringe elbow]

yes

thats what im sayin

[half zephyr]

And block when you have to

[oblique sun]

It's only pinball 2 if you get that one reforge that makes it bounce to 4 enemies
Or is that pinball 3

[sudden patrol]

I just want the prophecy to be done with but I have no idea how I'll beat theseus and the minotaur with it, much less hades

[fringe elbow]

shield and fists usually end up being my most chaotic “dash kil everything instantly” runs

[sudden patrol]

oh crap

[half zephyr]

That’s pinball 2+

[oblique sun]

Ah, pinball 2 deluxen

Deluxe*

[sudden patrol]

I just got an aphro boon that offers me unhealthy fixation or curse of longing

this just turned the run around

[half zephyr]

Shield is basically Pinball 1, Pinball 2, Beyblade & then Beo which I don’t have a name for yet

Beyblade is fun

[oblique sun]

I'm not good with shield but I honestly find it the easiest to use on bosses since I can just hold bull rush, use it when I feel safe, then dash strike back to my safe spot where I can't get hit much-

Playing it safe

[half zephyr]

Beyblade with Zeus special & Support fire is just

And empowering flight

Pinball 1 & 2 are also fun, but in different ways

From Beyblade that is

[oblique sun]

Haven't gotten around to using beyblade: let it rip rain electricity from the heavens yet

Not enough blood I'm still kinda midgame

[half zephyr]

When you do, try to get support fire & a Poseidon knock back boon too

Sea storm is nice

And support fire on Beyblade is an experience

[oblique sun]

Mm

Is either of these affected by zeus or poseidon légendaires

Legendaries

Haven't obtained either so I'm trying to get those for prophecy

[half zephyr]

Have you got the codex boon list?

[oblique sun]

Yeah as I said I'm midgame

I just don't use those 2 gods nearly as often

[half zephyr]

Then you can check the prerequisites

[oblique sun]

Since I mostly use fists, I use demeter on attack, zeus doesn't scale up and poseidon knocks them away which I don't want

Yeah I know I'm just on mobile rn ;p

[half zephyr]

And Poseidon legendary gives extra knock back effect (+1 or smth)

[oblique sun]

It's 1:30am don't tell mom

[half zephyr]

And Zeus is something with bigger or more lightning

Ye, French?

[oblique sun]

Same timezone but nope

[brazen lagoon]

Poland

[half zephyr]

Aah the legionewhatever word confused me

I’m Scandinavia & on mobile

So can’t look up the exact effects atm

Too lazy

[oblique sun]

I do speak french

I have french keyboard

So it autocorrect legendaries to légendaires

Which is.. legendaries in french

[half zephyr]

I know that much

But still can’t spell it at this hour

[oblique sun]

It's fine lol

I suppose I should get going now

Goodnight!

[winter zinc]

is it just me or is splitting headache not good?

[runic sparrow]

uhhhh....

what are the chances of being offered two duo boons at once?

[brazen lagoon]

not very high

[runic sparrow]

https://i.imgur.com/6QSUn3A.jpg

[carmine ravine]

Uncommon but not that rare

[runic sparrow]

i'm going to leave this here, then

[winter zinc]

take the prophecy

[brazen lagoon]

nice

[winter zinc]

:D

it happens

[runic sparrow]

I'll let y'all know if I managed THREE at once

theoretically possible

[brazen lagoon]

it has happened before

[carmine ravine]

I still prefer 2 duos 1 legend in my screen

[runic sparrow]

that's pretty in its own right

[winter zinc]

im actually not sure that duo boons are rarer than other boons

you cant get them unless you have both reqs obv

but once theyre in the pool im not sure they have increased rarity

[runic sparrow]

and purged the duo. xD

I only took it for the prophecy.

[brazen lagoon]

that duo is pretty meh anyways

[runic sparrow]

and ay, I got the other duo later on anyway

so \o/

and I have the Ares legendary

[balmy marten]

What does the upper middle text mean. "favored and Envied" https://imgur.com/efDNSmX

One of them says Olympus caller. Others are blank

[carmine ravine]

Those are titles, like achievement in the run

[opal oar]

so the alecto fight is uh,

I wanted to end my run but still progress the story

so i walked in, clicked through the dialogue, and left it

she murked herself on the traps :|

[brazen lagoon]

she does that

[opal oar]

yeah, uh, she sure does

i am a lot less proud of luring her onto traps now XD

[runic sparrow]

gyaha, he just MELTED

who wants to see the clip of what I call 'death by a thousand papercuts

[runic sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184015343549677568/821191132356280360/Hades_2021-03-15_21-18-36.mp4

[brisk trail]

Jeez

[median needle]

What is the speed run record

Random seed

No heat

[narrow hemlock]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Any_Heat
https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Fresh_File

[dim turret]

I just beat Hades the first time and entered the heat selection menu, for fun I turned everything on just to see how high the heat gauge goes, but before I turned everything I didn't want off, I accidentally confirmed lmao, am I just stuck with this til I get out or die

[gilded leaf]

yes

but you will die quickly

[dim turret]

awesome, lol thanks

[hardy kernel]

how easy is it to get a sub 10? IGT

[brazen lagoon]

not too easy but not insanely difficult either

you have to start practicing going fast

id recommend watching some speedrun guides

[hardy kernel]

my best time atm is 13:40

[brazen lagoon]

more you play faster you'll get

[hardy kernel]

ok cool thanks

I'm not sure how I'd record on my switch though

[gilded leaf]

when you get a chaos curse that says you face addl foes, do you also get money from slaying the extra ones?

[hardy kernel]

I'm pretty sure the possibility of getting money from them is still there

[gilded leaf]

ok cool. i just wasnt sure bc i know you dont get extra money from defeating foes in a trove challenge

[hardy kernel]

I'm not a 100% sure though

[timid vine]

after this one run where i had exclusive access and a hera bow nuke ive lost all the motivation to play

dealt like 2k damage per load

[opaque radish]

Well I found out the hard way that, even if you have a duo boon, purging the boons necessary to get them disables the duo boon

[pliant hull]

Man, I love Support Fire.

Even if it doesn't actually add that much damage

It's consistent, no matter what you're doin

[cursive hazel]

does demeter's Rare Crop boon not show up in the permanent record?

i can't seem to find it

[hasty owl]

yikes i didn’t know that

[uncut ore]

oh no

I am going to have to beat hades's 2nd phase taking 0 dmg

if I want to finally beat the game with gun

I have 11 hp

aaand 3 seconds later got sniped from the other side of the map

[hasty owl]

u can do this maybe!

i’m pretty good w gun so lmk if u need any tips

[brazen lagoon]

hes dead

[brazen lagoon]

.

[uncut ore]

please help me

I tried a bit over 20 times already

im so bad with gun

[weak spruce]

which aspect

[uncut ore]

...zag

I spent all my titan blood maxing out zag aspects

[weak spruce]

got eris ?

oh

[uncut ore]

yes but its only lvl 1

[weak spruce]

try getting zeus attack and cluster bomb or triple bomb

[uncut ore]

I do

I have zeus keepsake and I usually go for hammers

I always take zeus keepsake and then switch it to athena in asphodel

and then tu euridyce in elysium/styx

[brazen lagoon]

you could try jolted + aphro special and use PS

[uncut ore]

aphro special?

[brisk trail]

I haven't had much luck with zeus boons

[uncut ore]

wdym?

[brazen lagoon]

aphrodite on your special

[uncut ore]

oh ok

[modern arch]

If u get to second phase

U can hide behind pillars while he lasers

[uncut ore]

I had this run zeus on my melee and cast and dio on my special

[modern arch]

And spam speshial

I beat him that way on lowish health

[uncut ore]

ik how to fight hades the main this is getting there with like 3 dds

[modern arch]

Ah rip

[uncut ore]

I mean I entered his 2nd phase and I had like 50 hp

[modern arch]

Yeah that sucks

[brazen lagoon]

wouldnt recommend putting dio on special unless you have like cluster or something

[uncut ore]

I just got dio randomly

[weak spruce]

your problem isn't hades then it's mainly losing too much of health before hades

[uncut ore]

yeah I guess

in styx

[modern arch]

Have u dusa s keepsake

It’s useful

[uncut ore]

I was super rich so I thought I could use well of charon to get tons of dds

[modern arch]

Gives u health

[uncut ore]

sure ill max it out

[modern arch]

Or skelly s

[uncut ore]

what does it do exactly?

[weak spruce]

in styx do you lose health cuz of getting poisoned a lot ?

[modern arch]

Gives u a chance to get health from pots

[uncut ore]

I used to use that but tbh 5 hits free that euridiyce gives are usually more than 100 hp

[modern arch]

Break all the pots ala LoZ style

[brisk trail]

It's only a max of one +10 per chamber though

[uncut ore]

no not really

[modern arch]

Yeah that makes sense

Hmmm

[brisk trail]

and with that there's only like 3 pots per styx chamber too

[modern arch]

Athenas got trap resistance

[brisk trail]

I think skelly's is much better

[modern arch]

I guess

[uncut ore]

I lost tons on theseus and asterius

wait dusa's gives the healing per pot?

[weak spruce]

acorn

[uncut ore]

oh I dont like that

yeah I use the acorn

euridyce's

[modern arch]

Okay, focus on bull man, and when targeted hide behind pillar

[weak spruce]

kill bull first

[modern arch]

He can’t hit u

[uncut ore]

thats exactly what I do

[uncut ore]

yes

I usually deflect theseus's shot but yeah

cus I very often have athena dash

[modern arch]

For hades... Athena s trap resistance is lovely

[brisk trail]

Just always make sure you dodge behind Astereus whenever he uses his start up

[weak spruce]

seems like your build is just fine

[uncut ore]

? what traps are in hades's fight?

[modern arch]

Both skulls and pots are traps I think

[weak spruce]

just need to get used to their patterns

[modern arch]

Pots def

[uncut ore]

whenever he charges me I just dash through him

[long prawn]

Green hand pits

[uncut ore]

I dont think I ever lost hp on those pots

[brisk trail]

So what's making you lose so much health in the fight then?

[uncut ore]

what do they even do?

[long prawn]

Stun

[hasty owl]

they trap you in place and deal 30 damage

[modern arch]

And reminder @uncut ore ,,, practice makes perfect. I have faith ull get there!!!

Good luck

[hasty owl]

can be a very bad combination with dad spin and lasers

[uncut ore]

just generally chipping away hp in the elysium bossfight and the satyr tunnels

[hasty owl]

how much spare blood do you got?

[uncut ore]

I think if I just get 1 good run past elysium I could win

[uncut ore]

1

[hasty owl]

hestia is a very easy gun class

[uncut ore]

I maxed out all the zag aspects

[hasty owl]

clear*

ah

[uncut ore]

and I can easily get most the hidden aspects

[hasty owl]

that was... a choice? but hey it’s cheap so fair

[uncut ore]

... yeah

[weak spruce]

try going for eris lvl 5

[hasty owl]

if i were you i’d grind a bit for blood, max eris or hestia

[uncut ore]

ok

[long prawn]

What is the purpose of the victory screen after defeating Hades?

[uncut ore]

yeah ill grind for some blood

[weak spruce]

zagreus on gun is meh

[uncut ore]

flexing

[modern arch]

Let’s u realise how cool u r

[hasty owl]

it shows you the build u had

[modern arch]

Also, shows off good runs

[brisk trail]

Zag gun lvl 3 or so is how I beat Hades the first time with it

[long prawn]

WEAK!

[brazen lagoon]

zag rail kinda ehh

[hasty owl]

and your time, and streak, and data and stuff

it’s not BAD

but it’s not great

[brisk trail]

I think it really just comes down to what hammers you get

[modern arch]

Hammers, the life and death of ur run

[hasty owl]

if you really want extra ammo just take flurry fire or lucifer aspect yk

[modern arch]

Lucifer is very fun

Ridiculous but fun

[hasty owl]

agreed

[uncut ore]

why of course, I take lucifer aspect, why didnt I think of that

[long prawn]

I could just go to the archive room for that

[modern arch]

:p

[brisk trail]

the one that makes it so you shoot 5 bombs instead of 1 is godly with Aphro

[uncut ore]

I think I should just try to get a good run

[brisk trail]

so much damage

[uncut ore]

guess I just had a bad streak of runs

[hasty owl]

lucifer eternal chamber+ divine strike is both the worst and best combination

[brazen lagoon]

unlucky

[modern arch]

Good luck my man!!!

[hasty owl]

bc eternal chamber succ

but also

[modern arch]

I wish u the best

[hasty owl]

deflect forever

[uncut ore]

im pretty sure that if I get past elysiumm with 3 dds and max hp I can win

[hasty owl]

very amusing to me

[hasty owl]

absolutely

not even a question

i find heroes fight harder than dad lol

[modern arch]

Hey how effective is dio fountain gives max

[brisk trail]

@uncut ore Have you beat Hades yet?

[modern arch]

I always take it and it carries me I think

[uncut ore]

yep

[hasty owl]

i take it more@often than not

[weak spruce]

if you still have 3dd after asterius fight

[hasty owl]

it’s very good

[weak spruce]

you pretty much win

[hasty owl]

assuming you don’t get absolutely screwed in styx

[modern arch]

If u don’t lose a dd at boss, ur luckier

[brisk trail]

It's literally only the shield guys that ever slow down my run now

[hasty owl]

try taking piercing upgrades

u can hit through the shield w them :))

[modern arch]

:0

[hasty owl]

shield more like yield

[brisk trail]

That's good to know, I thought piercing only allowed you to pass through enemies you damage

[hasty owl]

i hate those dudes

[modern arch]

Bows + shields suck

[brazen lagoon]

greatshields are the worst elysium enemy by far

[hasty owl]

oh wait i might be wrong

i’m not 100% sure

[brazen lagoon]

if styx didnt exist theyd be the worst enemy

piercing upgrades ignore the shield yeah

[modern arch]

Great shields, bows, balls, mini karts

[hasty owl]

@brazen lagoon piercing lets you damage through shields right?

[weak spruce]

satyrs are my worst enemy

[hasty owl]

yeh cool :)

[brazen lagoon]

yee

[modern arch]

I hate sautéed with a passion

... hmm

[hasty owl]

god i hate satyrs

lol

[modern arch]

Spelling is easy

[hasty owl]

but i love deflecting their poison at them

[brazen lagoon]

whats wrong with sauteeing man

[weak spruce]

can poison you from the other side of the map

[modern arch]

It is very satisfying

[weak spruce]

with an attack rate of 99999

[hasty owl]

lol

than b like

[weak spruce]

they are the reason styx is hard though lol it'd be a breeze otherwise

so

[hasty owl]

also just wondering, when than goes to take mortals, does he just create a giant circle under them and hope they don’t move??

[modern arch]

Than super keepsake is so fun to use as soon as Theseus second phase shield down

Maybe he just does the other one

Magic scyth

[hasty owl]

battie supremacy

[brisk trail]

Man it took me 21 runs to finally beat the game for the first time, now I'm on a 14 win streak and continuing

[hasty owl]

nice one dude!

[weak spruce]

saving battie and your call (if you have one) after theseus 2nd phase feels nice

as soon as he starts raging he dies

[hasty owl]

lmfaooo

i’ll be sure to do that next time

[modern arch]

I.... don’t know how to use Barrie effectively

[brisk trail]

I keep forgetting to use battie

[modern arch]

:/

[weak spruce]

don't sleep on 2500 damage

[hasty owl]

use in boss fights

miniboss**

not boss

[brisk trail]

I'll be at the final door with 3 uses remaining

[hasty owl]

usually

[opaque radish]

@hasty owl regarding boon purging, it's okay cause I eventually got my flood shot back

[brisk trail]

I want to get real lucky and do a full cast-based run, using the demeter lasers and hermes cast stacks and refreshes

[modern arch]

The amount of money u get for purging Hermes money per room is hilarious

[opaque radish]

But that was a rough way to learn how it works lol

[modern arch]

It’s so little

Like 4 rooms u earned it

[opaque radish]

I was just trying to win in order to get out with a POP enabled so I can get 15 bloods

[modern arch]

Pop?

[opaque radish]

Pact of punishment

[hasty owl]

what duo was it?

[modern arch]

Oh

[hasty owl]

bc i don’t think selling prereqs disables duos unless they’re directly involved

[opaque radish]

Umm I forget the name, the duo for Ares and Poseidon

[brisk trail]

oh the pulse one?

[hasty owl]

lol ofc it didn’t work my dude

[opaque radish]

Yes

[brisk trail]

that one is insane

[hasty owl]

that boon is a cast boon

if you sell your cast...you can’t cast

lol

[brisk trail]

i had 5 casts active at once and tried it out on hades

[hasty owl]

learning experiences lol. hades is such a rich game

[hasty owl]

damn u must have shredded

[brisk trail]

he got melted and i didnt even need to really attack him

[opaque radish]

Yep I didn't think it would matter since I had the duo

[modern arch]

A few runs ago I finally got Rip current
Been waiting aprox a million years for it

[hasty owl]

lol

[opaque radish]

But I got it back before Hades, won with 14hp left and 0 dd

[hasty owl]

i’ve recently become an ME stan

it’s very good

[modern arch]

Me?

[hasty owl]

merciful end

[brisk trail]

yeah that duo is great, but it did kind of force me to get hit like 20 times, luckily I had 3 death defies active

[modern arch]

Oh, wait I think I know it

Yeah

[hasty owl]

athena/ares duo

[brisk trail]

what's that one do again?

[hasty owl]

your abilities than can deflect activate doom

[opaque radish]

Nice

[brisk trail]

doesn't sound too bad

[hasty owl]

that’s activate as in cause doom to strike, not inflict doom

[opaque radish]

Oh

[brisk trail]

ohhh

[hasty owl]

it works very well on fists

[brisk trail]

that sounds much better yeah

[hasty owl]

bc divine dash + curse of pain

attack inflicts doom, dash over enemy, repeat forever

and impending doom doesn’t have any wait

[modern arch]

Concept: one shades eternal punishment is just cleaning up the Styx temple

[brisk trail]

That's quite a combo

[modern arch]

Monsters leave gore and it’s always gone next run

[hasty owl]

so@you can do like 600 damage per second on a bad day

[modern arch]

Someone’s gotta clean it

[opaque radish]

Holy cow

[hasty owl]

if you use it well, it really works

i’m not hugely great at zag ad dem fists yet

so having a cool combo to work for is fun

[modern arch]

I love dem fists ngl

[hasty owl]

might try a plume + zag fists run

[modern arch]

Gilgamash cool

[hasty owl]

+greater evasion

[gray apex]

I used to hate fists

[brisk trail]

60% dodge chance or something lol

[hasty owl]

fists kinda slap 😳

[modern arch]

Fists is how I win most runs...

[gray apex]

😳

[modern arch]

They so satisfying

[signal otter]

talos fists was my first melee win

[opaque radish]

Yeah I think fists was my first win

[hasty owl]

ooohhh if i could get smouldering air and second win

[modern arch]

Just pop behind enemy and slap em to death

[hasty owl]

and ruthless reflex

[signal otter]

fists do so much damage

[hasty owl]

only when u can chain attacks tho

[gray apex]

My first win had no aspect I think

[signal otter]

combo 3-4x then dash, repeat

[gray apex]

:c

[modern arch]

The enemies can never catch these hands 😔

[brisk trail]

I actually really liked the Nem Sword, too bad the Arthur one is near OP

[opaque radish]

I'm still getting bloods to level up my weapons

[hasty owl]

i’m so bad at arthur

pls explain

hOW WORK

[modern arch]

Health good

[signal otter]

arthur means queuing up the big combo while dashing

[opaque radish]

After that it's ambrosia for the companions

[hasty owl]

but i get hit so much it doesn’t matter

[modern arch]

Speshial and hide

[hasty owl]

lmao

[opaque radish]

And then the relationships to full

[modern arch]

Git gud, not hit

[hasty owl]

max relations gang

[opaque radish]

Then just working on high heats

[hasty owl]

i cAN ONLY GIT GUD NO HIT WITH HESTUA

[opaque radish]

I'm close to 100%

[brisk trail]

Health good, basic attack chain that does 10x the amount of base sword damage and in a cleave is also good

[modern arch]

Chibi Charon is ❤️

[gray apex]

I should probably do a Talos cast run

Sounds fun

[opaque radish]

I haven't put this many hours into a game in ages

[brazen lagoon]

sword go slash

[brisk trail]

Yeah it's really been loads of fun

I find it much more fun of a dungeon crawler than like Gungeon or something, each run being about 20 minutes is like perfect for me

[signal otter]

it also helps that this game can be played without all that GPU BS

[modern arch]

Gungeon is fun, but the story here is top notch

[opaque radish]

I'm just anxious to see what else I unlock, I'm almost done with the prophecies

[quartz garden]

You will eventually reach a point where you feel guilty for having that much content and fun for such little money spend. I hope there will be some DLCs to pay for, I haven’t checked for merch yet, still busy playing the game when not at work.

[modern arch]

me who bought on sale cuz I figured why not 😐

But hey I got multiple other people into it who bought it so

[signal otter]

buy the switch physical release?

[modern arch]

Y’all have switches?

[brazen lagoon]

no but ill still buy it

[carmine ravine]

Switch got scalped too so no

[quaint pagoda]

I got all of the stickers

[hasty owl]

how?

i’m new to steam

and don’t know anything

[carmine ravine]

its only for switch

[hardy thistle]

eh

i hate to be that guy but

$25 for the ammount of content in hades is not exactly impressive

assuming people are willing to put in 50-100 hours into it before they get burned out on average

[signal aspen]

yeah

im kinda burned out now

i havent been playing as much as i used to

[hardy thistle]

the massive flaw that keeps this game from being a 10/10 roguelite to me is the lack of level variety

[signal aspen]

yeah

[hardy thistle]

that alone keeps it from being god tier to being something that sometimes makes me not feel like starting another run

or giving up halfway into it

[oblique sun]

i mean

i have 112h on hollow knight for 15$

[hardy thistle]

hollow knight is up to 200h with dlc

[oblique sun]

and i still sometimes pop back in there

[hardy thistle]

yeah hollow knight has really good replay potential too

and also mods

you can put 300-400 hours into that game for sure without modding

...Specially if you're a masochist like me that goes for p5 with all bindings on and all radiants

[oblique sun]

i have all radiants

but not all bindings

[hardy thistle]

but there are far more insane deals

like

T E R R A R I A

[oblique sun]

yeah i know

oh that one's just modding

i never played it though

[hardy thistle]

nah

[oblique sun]

on HK i have 112h for all radiants, p5 and PoP

[signal aspen]

I probably have 3000+ hours on terraria

[hardy thistle]

vanilla alone can get you multiple hundreds

perhaps thousands

[oblique sun]

i never played it so i won't really comment, i don't like terr

[hardy thistle]

and it's $10

less if you buy a four pack

[oblique sun]

although i still don't get how you get 200h on HK DLCs

in either case

[hardy thistle]

well i did some modded too

[signal aspen]

terraria is just minecraft but crazier

[hardy thistle]

though 112h for all radiants is impressive and above average

oh on a similar note

i bought deep rock galactic for like $30, goes on big sale frequently

the game is good for 300-2000 hours if you're into coop shooter

by far the best procedural gen i've ever played

[oblique sun]

i don't like mc either i have the same problem with it and terraria

[signal aspen]

oh

[oblique sun]

the problem being stuff like there is absolutely no obvious pointers as to what to do but that's only one of them ig

[signal aspen]

makes sense

[oblique sun]

anyways this is hades discussion lul

[hardy thistle]

terraria is one of these where you are outright meant to use the wiki

yes i was about to point that out

[signal aspen]

not everybody is gonna like the same games

[hardy thistle]

i am hitting the line where hades has little content left to me

[signal aspen]

yeah

[hardy thistle]

i complete some runs yet not get anything new

[oblique sun]

yeah that's one of the reasons i don't entirely like it i guess

[hardy thistle]

i'm going to max all keepsakes for the achievement

and then i'll go for the epilogue

then drop hades indefinitely because to be blunt replaying this game seems sort of ass

if i were to replay it i'd probably get things done too fast and stack up dozens of questlines and dialogues with characters

[oblique sun]

in hades i only have a few goals after final epilogue, like keepsakes, 32 heat, and other achs, maxing out all bonds and maybe even infernal arms if i feel like it, but buying every contractor item and every work rank is just too stupid

[hardy thistle]

oh yea 32 heat was my ultimate challenge

but i beat it far before max keepsakes

i want the epilogue achievement to be my final one

[signal aspen]

i just restarted and made a new save with hell mode

[hardy thistle]

cause its the law of steam

the last achievement which is highlighted has to be the coolest one

[signal aspen]

but then i beat it in 15 attempts

[hardy thistle]

it doesnt really add much

[signal aspen]

yeah

[oblique sun]

the only thing it can add is personal liability

i don't like that in a normal game the max heat is not a nice powerof2 number

[hardy thistle]

the worst thing in late game hades is getting a boring run

absolutely kills the mood when you dont get anything cool

[oblique sun]

yeahh i've already started giving up on maxing out keepsakes lol

[hardy thistle]

lol

yeah im really bouta drop hades

i totally got more than my money's worth, it was great and it lasted a long time

but by now it really overstayed it's welcome to me

i think my keepsakes are about like 70% of the way there?

i'm not sure if i'll bother finishing the fated list of prophecies because of the legendary boons one

rng always rails me and doesnt let me get poseidon

[oblique sun]

i don't have zeus, poseidon and demeter

i tried getting demeter like 5 times but no luck