h1-discussion

[half zephyr]

Depends on the run really

[runic fern]

Yeah

[half zephyr]

I love chaos legend of I’m running low on dd

[runic fern]

But a barrier every twenty seconds isn’t ever not good

[half zephyr]

It’s not that useful if you never get hit tho

[runic fern]

That’s the only one I need for the fated list and it just never shows up

[half zephyr]

If you make a dodge/speed build

[runic fern]

Fair

But if you happen to slip up once then you can go home with a no hit

[half zephyr]

Good luck - mine was second wave

Acorn

[runic fern]

Yeah true

[half zephyr]

5 free hits from bosses

[runic fern]

I know

It’s all I use

Lol

[half zephyr]

I’m leveling them all to Max

[runic fern]

I start with chaos egg until about elysium then go acorn

[half zephyr]

At some point I predict you’ll use chaos egg against Hades

[runic fern]

Already have hehe

[half zephyr]

I thought I saw the future - turns out it was the past!

[runic fern]

I am infinite parallel universes ahead of you

/s

I’d like to go pierced butterfly but very easily take small hits. It has the capability to give +120% damage!

Unless Styx doesn’t count

I noticed it didn’t increase in Styx

[half zephyr]

Boss rooms

I think

[runic parrot]

styx doesnt count

apart from the final chambers

[runic fern]

Damn that sucks

Styx gets worse and worse

[half zephyr]

That’s what I meant XD

End rooms

It’s a bit early

[runic fern]

Literally the worst area in the game lmao

[half zephyr]

Nah they easy

Just need good dps & companion

[runic parrot]

they're fast and sorta easy

that far in you probably have good dps

[half zephyr]

Not always

[runic fern]

Poison is the worst mechanic in the game, the mini bosses aren’t hard but have too much armour, tiny vermin exists, it’s random how long you’ll be there

It looks horrible

[half zephyr]

Bad rng days

[runic fern]

I guess it’s the point of Styx but still

[half zephyr]

It’s easy to avoid poison for me now

[runic fern]

Yeah I know but the poison on the floor; sometimes it’s inevitable

[half zephyr]

Nah

[runic fern]

The projectile poison is easy to dodge

[half zephyr]

That’s what you got that 1 ranged attack for

[runic fern]

But when it’s on the floor it’s annoying

[half zephyr]

Just dash away & attack from afar

[runic fern]

This is why I don’t like fists

[half zephyr]

I love fists

I just usually get a ranged cast

[runic fern]

My fastest time I think is with fists but I just dislike the playstyle

[half zephyr]

Aah

I love that playstyle in this game

[runic fern]

Yeah but if you’re not on Stygian soul you have to wait to get them back

[runic parrot]

thats fair

fists are my 3rd favourite weapon

[half zephyr]

I mean yes, but that’s what dash is for

[runic fern]

My least used is shield however

[half zephyr]

I used to play infernal all the time

[runic fern]

Very forgettable

[half zephyr]

I think my fastest time is on shield

[runic parrot]

how dare you

shield is my baby

[half zephyr]

Zeus shield is fun

[runic fern]

It’s really good I just hardly use it

[half zephyr]

Beyblade

And then zag shield & esp chaos shield is pinball

[runic parrot]

zeus or beo is one of the top aspects that i use

[runic fern]

And Zeus shield is some of the most fun I’ve had in this game

[runic parrot]

apart from poseidon sword

[half zephyr]

I loved Arthur

I didn’t lose half my health to dad

[runic fern]

I like Arthur because you can store the great slash in dashes so you dash towards them and instantly murder them

[half zephyr]

And I got very nice attack speed boost & post dash speed boost

[runic fern]

It’s fun to just make them go “why is he slashing at the air” and then you teleport towards them and deal thousands of damage

[half zephyr]

So I didn’t notice anything different from my normal sword plays except the damage output

And I didn’t do 0 heat like I said I would either

I for some reason decided to try out a new aspect on heat 7 - highest for sword for me yet

But now I have 30 streak woo

[runic fern]

i also really enjoy guan yu because healing lmao

[half zephyr]

Haven’t got to try guan yu yet

Need more blood

[runic fern]

it's great

your special is a fire work hehehehehe

[half zephyr]

We’ll see

[runic fern]

and the spin attack is a ranged moving spin attack like ares' cast

but it heals you for each hit

[half zephyr]

I don’t like spin attack on spear

Too slow

I never use it

That’s why guan yu isn’t exactly made for me

[runic fern]

yeah but now it's ranged and moves so you don't have to be in the enemy's business and can just heal

[half zephyr]

It’ll be a while before I’ll try it so

Need to do some proper relaxing collection runs

[runic fern]

fair

[half zephyr]

Just level some keepsakes on non-serious runs

[runic fern]

is there any reason to go for gemstone chambers?

[half zephyr]

Eh

Not really

It’s so low & you only get a tiny money bonus if you have that unlocked

[runic fern]

you get so little even with darker thirst and the upgraded money

[half zephyr]

HOWEVER

If you get bonuses from chaos like I did

+111% gems & darkness

And +158%

Then you might still go for them cuz the bonus adds a bit

It’s still low, but better

[runic fern]

yeah but like 20 gemstones for a chamber when you could get darkness + helath, key + reroll, or nectar + a pom upgrade

gemstones are just useless

[half zephyr]

Depends on if you wanna decorate I guess

[runic fern]

but the game is gungho on making you go for them

like you get more from fishing than in a single run

[half zephyr]

Not if you get 0 fishing spots

[runic fern]

L

[half zephyr]

I’m aiming to get a bunch of resources for now

[runic fern]

Yeah

[half zephyr]

I only have 5k gems - not nearly enough to decorate properly

[runic fern]

for me it's slowly increasing the resources i get from pact of punishment

[half zephyr]

That’s just 1 theme

[half zephyr]

Ye, I do that at times too, but after some stressful bad runs it’s nice with a break

My last Hera run was traumatic

No cast until Styx!

[runic fern]

wdym?

[half zephyr]

And it wasn’t even a good cast for my build!

[runic fern]

oh wait no don't worry

i understand lol

[half zephyr]

Hera without cast is just a bow

[runic fern]

i got persephone plus a 100% increase in cast damage, and i killed everything in seconds

[half zephyr]

Persephone?

[runic fern]

i killed lernie in less than 30 seconds

sorry

[half zephyr]

Aphrodite

[runic fern]

aphrodite

[half zephyr]

?

[runic fern]

yeah

[half zephyr]

I did manage to kill Charon

So that’s something

Well, beat him

Not kill

[runic fern]

i lost a cursed blade run to him because i didn't realise what stealing did and i was distraught

[half zephyr]

Sad

Well, I gtg

Ttyl

[runic fern]

cya hehe

[wild bolt]

can someone explain how boon rarities work? I just upgraded Epic Strong Drink (+5% damage) to Heroic with Ambrosia Delight and it still says +5% damage

[half zephyr]

it's supposed to be 6%

[vapid narwhal]

heroic should be +6%

that thing

[wild bolt]

maybe it's only a description bug, gotta check the real increase

[acoustic quartz]

i mean its still a bug

[wild bolt]

i'm not saying i'm not reporting

just gathering more info

[humble lotus]

How do special boons effect ||excalibur|| do they have a constant effect in the aoe or are they just when using the normal version of the special

[half zephyr]

when I used arthur I had artie special, so when I slammed the special down it dealt damage to te enemies inside when I did it

[humble lotus]

Oh so enemies in the aoe arnt inflicted with statuses?

[half zephyr]

idk

I've only done artie

[humble lotus]

Oh god divine strike on excalibur is amazing

[half zephyr]

and she deals set dmg + critical chance dmg

[humble lotus]

You can slow down projectiles and they have a huge area to reflect them

[half zephyr]

indeed

[hollow hawk]

no constant effect

[humble lotus]

Hey it makes thesues slightly less annoying

[hollow hawk]

but it works every time you special

so even if you are spawning the aura

it will work

[charred anchor]

if im tryna use a specific build with specific boons is it better to use fated authority or fated persuasion

[half zephyr]

persuasion I guess

you can guarantee 3 gods with the keepsakes, but you can't guarantee the boons

[gaunt tapir]

Zagreus just picked a Demeter boon and said "Very cool" and I laughed

[solemn coyote]

Hey guys, what's the best way of getting feedback to the devs? On the Noclip docu they showed a feedback channel that had a voting system, is that still in place?

[crude pasture]

Zagreus has a lot of those minor puns after picking up stuff

[simple tulip]

i hear people talk about aspects and how op they are. how do i get aspects? new player btw

also what does titan blood do i have 3 of them

[half zephyr]

click on your weapon twice

when you choose it

[simple tulip]

thanks

[half zephyr]

you use the blood to upgrade & unlock aspects

[simple tulip]

wow. i shoulda known this from the start 😢

im 15 runs in never touched aspects i feel bad

[half zephyr]

eventually skelly prompts you I think

[simple tulip]

oh, just wish i woulda asked earlier

[crude pasture]

You aren't able to use them until you make it past Elysium I think?

[half zephyr]

might be

I don't remember

it's a while ago

[simple tulip]

well damn, i got minotaur and theseus 2 times

both very close fights

i think i can beat them this time with rail gun

they are the final boss for elysium correct?

[crude pasture]

Ah, sorry, the unlock condition is one run after unlocking all the weapons

[crude pasture]

Correct

[simple tulip]

well i should have done this by now right

well not yet

im in my first run with rail gun

[crude pasture]

Yeah, so you'll see them after this run

[simple tulip]

then i wish i woulda bought these weapons earlier

i thought bow was this god weapon so i didnt bother buying the spear

didn't know there were weapons after spear

[half zephyr]

bow is my least fave weapon

[simple tulip]

today i found out so i bought them and i really like rail gun so far

[simple tulip]

why?

for me its sword

[half zephyr]

doesn't suit my playstyle at all

and I always have terrible rng when I run bow

[simple tulip]

you just like to get in their faces and hack and slash?

[half zephyr]

my most successful weapon is rail

but the most fun is fist

[simple tulip]

i feel this i feel like it depends a lot on my boons

and the gods

[crude pasture]

I mean, there are multiple different weapons to suit multiple different playstyles

[half zephyr]

I ran a bow aspect that needs cast to be good & I didn't get a cast until right before end boss

I was basically just running a basic bow until then

[simple tulip]

lmaoo

[half zephyr]

shudder

[simple tulip]

sometimes i just focus on cast when i realise im not getting any bow boons

[half zephyr]

I like dashing around & doing fast dps

[simple tulip]

i just like keeping range to stay safe

i tried shield for a run just now and i died at the bone snake

[half zephyr]

so my fave list is like
Fist>Shield>Sword/Rail>Spear>Bow

[simple tulip]

also because i forgot to not enable death defiance

[half zephyr]

Hydra is a sweetie

very easy to beat

[simple tulip]

your fave is fist but your best is rail?

[half zephyr]

yes

I like having fun

[simple tulip]

yeah so i was mad at myself since i beat it everytime with bow

so you just start new runs?

[half zephyr]

rail isn't as fun - doesn't mean it's not more successful for me

[simple tulip]

btw why are there only 4 save files? i feel like we should have infinite

[half zephyr]

wdym?

[simple tulip]

after beating the game

[half zephyr]

why would you need so many save files???

oh

you still new

[simple tulip]

yes

[runic fern]

hold on don't aspects unlock after first beating hades?

[crude pasture]

Trust me, winning a run is only the start

[half zephyr]

come back after you beat end boss 10 times

[simple tulip]

so you guys won't tell me because of spoilers?

[crude pasture]

Apparently not if the wiki is to be trusted

[half zephyr]

unless you don't care

[simple tulip]

well if it is serious spoiler i will care

[manic moat]

aspect unlock when you get all the weapons

[runic fern]

idk i beat hades first try humble brag /s so i wouldn't know

[half zephyr]

it kinda is

[simple tulip]

but if it's minor then idrc about spoilers

ah

then dont tell me

btw how do i get roled

[half zephyr]

but just in general, you want to complete all side stories too

for fun

[runic fern]

no they didn't i had them all and it only unlocked after beating hades

[simple tulip]

what are side stories

[half zephyr]

[runic fern]

stories that aren't the main one

like romances or orpheus and eurydice

[half zephyr]

#bot-commands

[crude pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551887827089227799/813758571287412736/unknown.png

[runic fern]

ohhhhhh

[half zephyr]

getting max hearts

y'know

that's side story

and such

[runic fern]

i might've just beaten hades on my first exagryph run

[half zephyr]

pet the dog

[runic fern]

hold on i'll see

[crude pasture]

Always pet the dog

[simple tulip]

what are side stories

[half zephyr]

there's so much more then just "beating the game"

[simple tulip]

ah

[half zephyr]

it was just explained if you scroll up

[simple tulip]

wait the bot censors every swear word>

[half zephyr]

ye

swearing not allowed

[simple tulip]

i just typed "so it's post game sh**?"

[half zephyr]

nor is dodging

like that

[simple tulip]

so side stories are unlocked after i beat a run

[half zephyr]

no

you can do side stories whenever

it's tied to the hearts

you just need nectar

[simple tulip]

i have nectar

like 4 nectaor

[crude pasture]

You'll see them when you'll see them, that's all

[simple tulip]

and like 3 star cerberus

do i need to gift nectar to every npc?

to unlock side stories

[runic fern]

yeah first adamant rail run i beat it that's why

[simple tulip]

since i only have like 7? ish npc items unlocked

[half zephyr]

everyone

and it's not just the first nectar

for story it's all the way to the locked hearts & beyond

if you can give nectar, then it's story

gameplay wise this is a roguelite

the whole point is to run the same thing over & over with slight variations

it's the same, but not

we're so lucky to get such amazing story & soundtrack

[simple tulip]

what are locked hearts n beyond?

[crude pasture]

Again, you'll know them when you see them

[half zephyr]

ye

it's very obvious when you get there

[wild island]

the bull of minos is too hard

[rapid forum]

you'll get there

[wild island]

i beat it but i used all my death defiances

[runic fern]

final boss of elysium is my favourite in the game

[wild island]

bull and other guy?

[runic fern]

yup theseus and the minotaur, asterius

shut up his name's stupid /s

[wild island]

i havent beaten the third world

[rapid forum]

took me a while to consistently beat elysium

[wild island]

ye

[crude pasture]

For Asterius, the easiest way to dodge his standard attack is to show up every action movie hero ever, and dodge the attack by dashing straight into it

[wild island]

with artemis's arrow ability, the GUN is very good

[indigo ginkgo]

I'm still debating if it's better to end theseus first or asterius first

[crude pasture]

I think Asterius

[half zephyr]

theseus is hilarious

[wild island]

asterius, he hits like a, well, bull.

[half zephyr]

and I like to end asterius first

[crude pasture]

He's not too much of a problem if you don't ||trigger his second phase||

[indigo ginkgo]

I feel like if I have high damage it's better to end asterius first

[crude pasture]

God, I meant Asterius

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah because of that

[half zephyr]

save the easiest for last

[crude pasture]

facepalm

[half zephyr]

I always end asterius first if I don't just take out both at the same time

[rapid forum]

I always focus on asterius

[half zephyr]

especially with em3

[indigo ginkgo]

but I like ending theseus first to humilliate him and hear asterius's lines

[half zephyr]

theseus with em3 is just hilarity

[wild island]

i dont like theseus

[indigo ginkgo]

like one time he said "Thank... you..." in the win screen

[rapid forum]

cause if you're powerful, when Theseus ||call a god|| You can beat him at that state

[indigo ginkgo]

and I was like wait what

why

[half zephyr]

theseus is a curve

[indigo ginkgo]

what's going on asterius baby

[wild island]

i got school i gorta go

[half zephyr]

you start out hating him or finding him annoying
then he starts to grow on you, like a fungus
and suddenly you're just smiling, laughing & giggling at everything he does or says

and then you do em3

[wild island]

*gotta

[crude pasture]

I feel like Asterius secretly despises Theseus, but goes along with him anyways

[half zephyr]

and you're gone

he's like an angry kitten

[indigo ginkgo]

exactly the opposite for me

[half zephyr]

theseus is just an angry kitten

[indigo ginkgo]

he's hilarious

but now he doesn't speak a lot anymore

so I don't get to laugh

[half zephyr]

sad

do em3

then you'll get to laugh

[indigo ginkgo]

all I get is the context that he's just

like that

[half zephyr]

you'll laugh at his laugh

[crude pasture]

He'd rather hear the sound his spear makes when it slices through Zag's exposed midsection

[indigo ginkgo]

wait but zag's midsection is not exposed

only his tit is

[crude pasture]

Bring it to the court

[half zephyr]

he's wearing clothes

not armor

everything is exposed

really

[crude pasture]

Except the heel

[half zephyr]

there's nothing that's good protection - it's even a dialogue with asterius

[indigo ginkgo]

that's a different kind of exposed

[half zephyr]

how no one is allowed to use armor in the house

[indigo ginkgo]

dad doesn't believe in armor

only capes

[grand shale]

I hate it when that happens. I accidentally get theseus into phase 2 while im still dealing with asterius and then I lose a death defy long before I want to

[half zephyr]

the power of capes!

[scarlet gull]

TIL there isn't a dedicated savescum time you can savescum any time in an encounter as long as you haven't taken damage

so if you horribly miss the meg on heroes you get more chances

[half zephyr]

huh?

[crude pasture]

Well, then we're getting into the question of if savescumming is something you even want to do

[half zephyr]

I'm still trying to figure out that second sentence

[scarlet gull]

like if you have not taken damage in an encounter

[half zephyr]

is she talking about batty companion?

[scarlet gull]

you can exit

and come back

yes, she* is talking about batty companion

[grand shale]

I have never save scummed hades in my whole life partially because i didnt think you could for some reason

[half zephyr]

I know what savescumming is, but why on earth do it in this game

[scarlet gull]

because i suck at using meg

[grand shale]

idk

[half zephyr]

then try another companion?

[grand shale]

use sisyphus its way better

more materials

[scarlet gull]

p r a c t i c e

i don't need darkness

[half zephyr]

I liked Fidi

I need to use her while I can

[scarlet gull]

yeah

i'm practicing meg

that's the point

[half zephyr]

I don't think I'll ever use meg XD

I've used her once for the entry

[half zephyr]

good luck though!

[scarlet gull]

meg is the preferred companion for speedrunning

that's why

[half zephyr]

ye, I just

I don't wanna summon the people I'm dating

[grand shale]

I dont have all of them yet but shady is my favourite right now

having that healing is really nice when youre getting your ass beat towards the very end of ||hades phase 2 or even 3, which i have yet to try||

[half zephyr]

I used shady a lot

but thought I'd try out Fidi cuz dusa

and I'll have to use the ant at some point just to get the entry

[grand shale]

ant?? interesting

rn i only have shady fidi rib and battie

[indigo ginkgo]

that's exactly why I say stubborn roots is OP

[grand shale]

never tried it, too scared to tbh

also im trying to do Nyx's task

[indigo ginkgo]

task?

[grand shale]

fix the teleporty thing

[indigo ginkgo]

oh yeah

I had 2.8k darkness saved already

so I just reset the mirror to complete it

[crude pasture]

Fixing teleporty things is my middle name

[indigo ginkgo]

lost 6% on olympian favor

[grand shale]

I spent 1k of mine on getting the fancy rank up thing

[indigo ginkgo]

omg

[regal fractal]

anybody know if somebody has tried making a Hades switch skin to put on their switch hardware?

[craggy barn]

did ares let poseidon know about this? how would he have reacted lmao

[terse relic]

LOVE Stubborn Roots. I’ve never tried it with Tight Deadline, but from what I know about SR, it seems like SR would slow TD HP loss by half.

[craggy barn]

wouldn't it be better to not deal with td hp loss at all though?

[indigo ginkgo]

you regen 1 HP every 0.8s

as long as you have no revives

[terse relic]

Ideally, yes, but if it’s happening, it’s happening.

[indigo ginkgo]

how many times do I need to give nectar to bouldy?

[terse relic]

Right, and TD causes you to lose five HP every two seconds. SR equates to 2.5 HP every two seconds.

[indigo ginkgo]

like can I give more than necessary?

[runic parrot]

no

[craggy barn]

zero

[indigo ginkgo]

okay good

[runic parrot]

you can only give one per run

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah but how many total

[terse relic]

There is no friendship meter, as far as I know. You get a small bonus on every run.

[craggy barn]

you don't ever actually have to give bouldy nectar, it's just a resource sink really

[indigo ginkgo]

oh really?

F

[runic parrot]

minor spoilers regarding bouldy gift giving ||it's not and never mandatory. it just gives you a slight (and i do mean Slight) boost to one of your stats||

[indigo ginkgo]

lol okay

[craggy barn]

there are some almost-decent boosts you can get, like 10%+ movement speed or 4-5% damage reduction

[terse relic]

I’ve never gotten anything higher than 5%. Is 10%+ for movement only?

[indigo ginkgo]

the furry claws are quite strong huh

[unborn remnant]

hello

[indigo ginkgo]

hellooo

[runic parrot]

please do not call the fated claws of enkidu that ever again

[brazen lagoon]

I mean it is true

They are furry claws

[rapid forum]

yea

it's

[brazen lagoon]

Or furry fists if you feel so inclined

[rapid forum]

unbearable to call it that

[indigo ginkgo]

LMFAO

I can't look at it and not immediately be reminded of something like likulau

[rapid forum]

I googled that

and the first result is a bodysuit sold in my area

[indigo ginkgo]

💀

at least it's not NSFW

unless

[rapid forum]

let's not delve into that

[indigo ginkgo]

the body suit wasn't nsfw right?

[rapid forum]

I didn't and don't want to chek

[runic parrot]

i hate gilga

its one of the worst aspects for me

i'll pick any of the zag aspects before i ever finish a run with it

[craggy barn]

zagreus, choosing which weapon to take: hmm... alright. malphon, grant me the aspect of gilgamesh!
meg:
zag:
meg: i knew it

[unborn remnant]

[indigo ginkgo]

I don't get it

[runic parrot]

zagweus uwu

[rapid forum]

Dusa:

[indigo ginkgo]

also what is the dusa emote supposed to...

emote?

[rapid forum]

yes

[unborn remnant]

Dusa

[runic parrot]

it's the opposite of

which i also dont know what it's supposed to emote

yet they are opposites nonetheless

[craggy barn]

is ambigemotional

i shall deny every claim that ambigemotional is a word i made up on the spot

[glass salmon]

How do I consistently beat hades? I’ve beaten it a few times and I always reach Styx but I always struggle to consistently beat it

[runic parrot]

what aspect r u usin

[indigo ginkgo]

residentzag is a redraw of residentsleeper

which is to express boredom

so dusa is excitement?

[half zephyr]

have you ever tried holding the acorn?

[craggy barn]

acorn is p nice

[runic parrot]

oh.

i didnt realise. im an idiot.

[craggy barn]

and totally not quite possibly op on 32 heat

[runic parrot]

then again i am not that much of ttv nerd

[unborn remnant]

Acorn good

[runic parrot]

i've been using a lot of skull earring recently instead

[indigo ginkgo]

acorn is top tier for sure

[craggy barn]

top tier defense

[half zephyr]

also a nice one

[unborn remnant]

"Zeus with Zeus OP"
I can shake on this

[indigo ginkgo]

I'm a nerd about everything that catches my interest

[half zephyr]

lyte

[runic parrot]

what do you mean shake

[indigo ginkgo]

agree

hand shake

[runic parrot]

ic

[indigo ginkgo]

and I agree too

I always use zeus ring with zeus shield

[runic fern]

top three keepsakes? not using acorn

[indigo ginkgo]

to get the thunder flourish

spearpoint

[runic parrot]

acorn spearpoint earring

and or sigil

[runic fern]

what does spearpoint do?

[indigo ginkgo]

I love spearpoint so much for satyr realm

[runic parrot]

gives 1.5s of invincibility after you get hit

[indigo ginkgo]

yeah and it only triggers every 7s or something

I love it on satyr land

basically makes poison not threatening at all

also the laser things

[runic parrot]

i liked using it but ive found earring and acorn to be much better because i got a lot better at dodging recently

[runic fern]

what does earing do again? more damage at low health or something?

[half zephyr]

I like tooth when I feel nervous af, earring when I just want that extra dmg, acorn ofc & PLUME

plume for dodge run

[runic fern]

pierced butterfly good or no

[runic parrot]

yeah

[indigo ginkgo]

spear is also absurd in conjuction with stubborn roots

[runic fern]

with the potential to get near 100% damage it's great if you use it right

[runic parrot]

its pretty swell if you're going LC4

when you're gonna be below 30% at all times anyway

[half zephyr]

I don't like spear that much anymore

[indigo ginkgo]

right now I'm just levelling everything

[half zephyr]

same

got 4 left to max I think

[runic parrot]

levelling everything was such a pain

[half zephyr]

leveling sisyphus...

[glass salmon]

Nah I usually just go with the 50+ health keepsake in the beginning then switch to ofc the tooth in Styx

[half zephyr]

ugh

[half zephyr]

try acorn - it gives you 5 free hits against Hades

as in

you can tank 5 hits w 0 dmg

at rank 3

[glass salmon]

Depends. Which weapon?

[glass salmon]

Oh damn really?

[runic fern]

is there an achievement for maxing everything?

[half zephyr]

mhmm, at rank 3

it's a keepsake that only works against the bosses

[glass salmon]

You can look at all the achievements on steam

[glass salmon]

Oh nice. I’ll max it out later

[runic parrot]

im just asking in general because you wanted advice on beating daddo

[glass salmon]

Lmao daddo

[half zephyr]

I've gone entire phase 1 w/o taking dmg

[runic parrot]

one main piece of advice i can give to all weapons is "git gud lmao"

[glass salmon]

I beat him before but I just can’t do it consistently

[glass salmon]

I’m trying to #getgud ngl lol

[runic parrot]

it goes with time, you'll get better sooner or later

[unborn remnant]

hello :)

[runic parrot]

it took me around 150 runs to actually have a consistent grasp on how to beat him

[unborn remnant]

all the keepsakes are pretty balanced imo

[runic parrot]

apart from the duster

ew

sorry dusa you may be the love of my life but your keepsake kinda sucks

[unborn remnant]

its not great

i also dont like the earring

while I think than's keepsake is good, the earring requires you to be comfortable playing on low health for success

[runic parrot]

i like it, gives me more damage and we all know more damage == good

[unborn remnant]

probably better at high heat

[runic parrot]

its very good with LC4

[unborn remnant]

but if you're using dd and you die, your helath goes outside the threshold for the keepsake

[runic parrot]

since you probably will stay below 30% at all times anyway

[unborn remnant]

lc4?

[runic parrot]

lasting consequences

[unborn remnant]

oh

yeah thats true

[runic parrot]

-100% healing

[unborn remnant]

That seems so rough

[runic parrot]

it sucks

[unborn remnant]

Have you cleared 32 heat?

[runic parrot]

i recently got out of asphodel with my health above 30%

it was so good

[runic parrot]

yes

i'm grinding 40 heat currently

[rapid forum]

GL

[runic parrot]

it kinda sucks

[rapid forum]

cause I don't wanna try 40 heat

[runic parrot]

i dont know what pacts to put beyond what i already am used to

[unborn remnant]

Maybe do them each in a vaccum

[runic parrot]

to my best memory they're hl5, lc4, em3, bp2, mm, fo2, dc, td3

[runic parrot]

maybe i'll do that

[craggy barn]

how much heat is fo2?

[runic parrot]

i want to add jury summons 3 but it takes too long and td3 kicks my butt

i dont remember

i always have fo2 on so i dont know how much heat is added

[unborn remnant]

probably 2 or 3

[runic parrot]

i think fo1 is 2 and fo2 is 3

[craggy barn]

all of that for only 3 heat

[runic parrot]

i mean singularly

[craggy barn]

meanwhile td3 is what, 6 heat?

[runic parrot]

both of them at the same time is 5

fo2 is actually better if you're running jury summons

it speeds up enemy spawning time

[craggy barn]

figures

[unborn remnant]

You could do em4

[runic parrot]

no.

[unborn remnant]

which would be awful but

LMAO

hey get the heat where you can

[runic parrot]

em4 is terrible

[rapid forum]

EM4 is not the wey

[runic parrot]

i hate. HATE his double spear attack

i always forget he does it whenever i do em4

[charred anchor]

ive done em4 once and i think that was enough

[signal aspen]

almost lost my 100 win streak to em4 hades

[rapid forum]

same

think it was 95th streak

[charred anchor]

i just lost my clear streak bc i put on the pact timer w lucifer gun

and lucifer is slow

[unborn remnant]

I hate when he does the lunge attack

[rapid forum]

then I tried EM4 with FO2 on 106th streak run

[unborn remnant]

Im just not ready for it

[rapid forum]

I died

[unborn remnant]

[signal aspen]

f

[runic parrot]

em4 fo2 is literal hell

even though you are technically out of hell

[glass salmon]

Honestly first 3 days of playing hades was special. I haven’t played a game that I liked this much in years

[half zephyr]

em4 is proof your daddy loves you cuz in the end he always goes easy on you until you ask for it

[signal aspen]

yes

[runic parrot]

i always feel bad when i beat him and he goes "i used to be stronger than this"

then i remember he beats me 9/10 of the time

[craggy barn]

i wouldn't say my first em4 was really a close call

[runic parrot]

then i dont feel bad

[half zephyr]

[craggy barn]

i still had a dd remaining by the time it was over and i was running a pretty crappy chiron aphro build

the dmg reduction really is what carried me through it lol

that and p. status

[rapid forum]

prob my biggest mistake on my first EM4 was I didn't get divine dash

[half zephyr]

aphy gives epic bonus % tho

[rapid forum]

"eh I can take him" I said

naively

[craggy barn]

the damage was really bad lmao

[half zephyr]

the % can only build on base dmg

[craggy barn]

i could hardly even deal with the minibosses that he spawned and it definitely didn't help that they also had more armor and that i had mm on

[signal aspen]

same... and then i won with 14 health

and 0 dds

[rapid forum]

I had one DD

iirc

by the end

[craggy barn]

oh and it also doesn't help that my laptop sucks and that the fps tanked when the third phase came into play

[rapid forum]

honestly first phase of EM4 is really the hardest

[craggy barn]

it's when the minions he spawns are actually an issue

[charred anchor]

i was shook when cerberus attacked :0

[glass salmon]

What does your nyx mirror look like? I really don’t know what to keep and change

[craggy barn]

look at cerb go though

❤️

[runic parrot]

i have my mirror on a high heat setup rn and i dont remember what i put in low heat sorry..

i do remember that it was mostly purple though

[rapid forum]

when cerb ran around I was like "Ooooh so that's how he guards the door"

[craggy barn]

i think he did well even though he didn't hit me so he still gets the pets afterwards

[glass salmon]

Everything on my mirror is purple. I don’t think it’s the best but idk what to change

[runic parrot]

fated persuasion is better than authority

hold on i need to look at the wiki

[half zephyr]

depends on your playstyle really

I found out recently that stygian soul suited me better then infernal

[craggy barn]

dark foresight is way better than god's favor

[runic parrot]

^

[craggy barn]

stygian is usually "conditional"

[half zephyr]

unless ur doing a collection run

[runic parrot]

stygian is better with non-lodging casts like dio or dem

[craggy barn]

i find it to be usually better with casts that don't lodge since a common thing with them is that they last a while

[half zephyr]

I do great with stygian with lodging casts too though

[craggy barn]

glacial glare scales so well that if you're using infernal soul it's a waste

[half zephyr]

game loves to shower me with extra bloodstones

[runic parrot]

shadow presence is always better with low damage high frequency attacks (fists or rail)

[half zephyr]

I always run the 10% chance for legenedary/duo instead of the epic chance

my goal is usually to get specific duo boons

[craggy barn]

legacy vs pride depends on what you're going for

if you aren't going for duos/legendaries or are just going for one or two pride is maybe better

[half zephyr]

I like golden touch

[runic parrot]

my current setup i think is purple purple yellow purple purple yellow purple purple purple yellow purple yellow

too lazy to type out the names

[glass salmon]

Honestly I can adapt to any play style. Aslong as the play style doesn’t include the bow. I hate that weapon

[half zephyr]

and high confidence is ok sometimes, but I don't tend to run it often

[craggy barn]

third one is sd right?

[half zephyr]

ye

[runic parrot]

yeah but i think dd is better for lower heat

[craggy barn]

yeah that's a high heat setup right there

[runic parrot]

def

[craggy barn]

dd is absolutely better for lower heat

[runic parrot]

i'm not confident enough for high confidence

[half zephyr]

it was fun running it

[runic parrot]

and it's useless at high heat unless you're really, REALLY good at dodging

[craggy barn]

i like to use high confidence when i'm not doing high-ish heat (32 heat )

[glass salmon]

Btw @runic parrot how many hours do you have on hades?

[craggy barn]

i did find myself being a lot more confident when running low heat, thus the use of high confidence

[runic parrot]

t- two hundred

it's my most played non-strategy game

[half zephyr]

neat

[craggy barn]

i'm at 196 hours

[half zephyr]

I'm a baby

[glass salmon]

Oh damn. I only have 30

[half zephyr]

I'm not even at 90 I think

or I'm just around 90

[brazen lagoon]

440 hours

[half zephyr]

[craggy barn]

200 hours and i've never done mirrorless/boonless

[glass salmon]

I feel like I’m the only person that doesn’t like strategy games. Everyone loves them but I personally don’t like them

[glass salmon]

Oh damn

[brazen lagoon]

Niehter have I don't worry

[runic parrot]

its my usual genre, this game is usually out of my comfort zone

until i played it that is

[craggy barn]

but i mean at least i beat 32 heat first try

with heart rend chiron

[half zephyr]

I don't actually know what type of games I usually like

I like games that I think are fun

[glass salmon]

I feel comfortable with FPS and shooters so same. Not really used to games with a moba POV either

[craggy barn]

i think i'm most into roguelikes in particular

[brazen lagoon]

I enjoy games that I enjoy

[runic parrot]

hades is a good game

pulled me in hard

[half zephyr]

friend!

[craggy barn]

i don't enjoy turn-based games at all and i've played my fair share of mario & luigi and paper mario

[runic parrot]

i should probably stop playing it so much inbetween classes and shifts

[glass salmon]

I don’t like rouge likes. But I might try risk of rain two in the steam sale

[runic parrot]

but it's on my mind a lot

[half zephyr]

play the soundtrack

[craggy barn]

games being known for amazing combat and also none of which i've ever even finished

[half zephyr]

I had to kinda stop playing one of my fave games in 2020

[craggy barn]

i wanna play ror2 so baddd but my laptop would have a seizure trying to run it

[half zephyr]

it wasn't very appropriate anymore..

[charred anchor]

plague inc?

[half zephyr]

mhm

I have it on mobile, pc, switch, xbox

[viscid fern]

ror2 runs reasonably well unless you wanna do multiple cycles

[half zephyr]

[craggy barn]

play it and enjoy it you coward

[charred anchor]

i had to stop playing stardew valley because i was burned out on it

i played it like nonstop

[glass salmon]

Lmao

[craggy barn]

laughs in 20fps

[half zephyr]

it felt wrong ok!

like everyday I was just looking around thinking "this is just like what happened in the game.." o_O

[brazen lagoon]

Me playing plague Inc to simulate the rona winning

[viscid fern]

that is of course depending on how bad your laptop is

[sharp fossil]

ror2 runs great if you don’t pick up any items and die early on

[viscid fern]

and how much resolution you can put up with

[sharp fossil]

actually my computer atm can handle it pretty well

but my last machine would probably have collapsed in on itself

[half zephyr]

at least hades is safe & fun & appropriate & addictive

[sharp fossil]

^

rip other roguelikes

[half zephyr]

zag even feels conflicted about killing the satyrs

[glass salmon]

Yeah I’m trying to finish cyberpunk but I’m having a hard time from how addictive hades is lol

[runic parrot]

im impressed with how well hades runs

though it still chugs when there's 1000 cloner laser numbskulls

[craggy barn]

i can't afford a better pc or a switch atleast so (for now, hopefully) i'm stuck with 60fps standing in that one corner next to the door to hades' bedchambers at best and 11fps in large elysium rooms at worst

[glass salmon]

Honestly I was surprised how much better controller is on hades I thought mouse and keyboard was way better

[sharp fossil]

both are pretty valid honestly

[glass salmon]

Only reason I even tried controller is cause my thumb hurts a every time I play fists

[runic parrot]

th- thumb?

[craggy barn]

i can't imagine trying to handle fo2 while the game is tanking like this constantly

[runic parrot]

are you using lmb with your thumb?

[glass salmon]

Nah I’m spamming space

[runic parrot]

ah

oh duh right

you can hold down fists

[craggy barn]

do you have attack binded to space?

[runic parrot]

dashing

[glass salmon]

Nah

Dash

I dash a lot with fists

[charred anchor]

makes sense

[runic parrot]

i rebinded a lot on mkb

special i put on right click and cast on lshift

special on q is just weird

[glass salmon]

Honestly for me rmb for cast was extremely weird

I barely used it on my mouse

[runic parrot]

basically sacrificing leftwards movement for the special

[charred anchor]

when i had summon on 1 i kept accidentally using it

[runic parrot]

lol i have summon on q now

1 is too far for me to reach quickly

[charred anchor]

i have it on x which is inconvenient but its better than pressing it accidentally

[runic parrot]

x is a good option

less prone to accidental taps

[glass salmon]

Worst thing about controller is that reloading is weird

I had to google how to reload on controller

Cause you don’t think of r3 when you want to reload on controller

[hardy oasis]

I have Summon set to 1

because I have a fancy schmancy mouse with multiple keys on it

so I can just press a button on the mouse for the summon

[charred anchor]

i find hestia really inconvenient but itd prolly be better if i moved reload to a more convenient keybind

[hardy oasis]

r sucks as reload key

no matter what

[glass salmon]

It’s the best for me

I’ve been playing FPS games for years on pc it’s always been r

[charred anchor]

i usually just auto reload but thats not good for hestia

[hardy oasis]

I've also played FPS games for years, but modern conventions has the weapon auto reload after unloading the clip

same with the rail

but for Hestia this isn't viable

[glass salmon]

Damn you have almost 500hrs on tf2. I spam reload since I always play scout lol

[hardy oasis]

Basically, R is a good key for FPS games, but not for Hades

you'd want a key you use more often/closer to the WASD keys to be the reload key for Hestia due to how it works

[glass salmon]

You guys think hades will ever come on consoles?

[hardy oasis]

so, for instance, Caps Lock is an option

[hardy oasis]

Uhh... Yeah?

It already has?

There's a Switch port

[glass salmon]

Really?

[glass salmon]

Yeah but like... switch is... switch

[runic parrot]

im pretty sure sgg said something about considering ps/xbox releases

[glass salmon]

It’s a hand held console not really a traditional console

[runic parrot]

its in a qna somewhere

[indigo ginkgo]

yay I got a winstreak of 10

and 16 total wins

[glass salmon]

When I died in hades for the first time and I went to the area where I have my keepsakes and weapons. I went to the green part and thought it was the second boss

And also I still didn’t get the last keepsake. Any idea on where to get it?

[wise sparrow]

give mama and papa the orange juice

[copper canopy]

Give me the orange juice, papa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QabOws88zD4

[honest sundial]

Don't you have mice with side buttons?

I've bound dash to my side button

[half zephyr]

Switch is awesome
And hades on switch is a match made in heaven

[runic fern]

god i cannot wait for the physical release

[honest sundial]

q and e and 1 are awkward buttons to push

[half zephyr]

Same

[honest sundial]

that's why I unbound the interact button from E and put it on shift. That way I can use it with my inky when I need to drink antidote fountains or pick up Boldy's items

[indigo ginkgo]

I don't have pinky dexterity

[honest sundial]

I mean you don't need to be too fast with it

it is still faster than lifting your finger from D and staggering your movement

[indigo ginkgo]

I mean it mostly follows the movement of my ring finger

[honest sundial]

well alt and space a also options

for your thumb

If you get a mouse with multiple buttons you can bind attack, special, cast, dash, call and summon all on the mouse

currently I have them all on the mouse

[runic parrot]

my setup is special on rmb, cast on lshift, summon on q and everything else on default

[unborn remnant]

I'm a console player so

[runic parrot]

i dont have a fancy schmancy mouse with extra buttons

[honest sundial]

cast is used to often IMO.

I think mouse wheel is perfect for cast

[runic parrot]

i mean

my pinky is just sittin there doin nothing

[honest sundial]

I mean they are not that expensive

[hollow hawk]

my cast is on lshift too

its fine tbh

[runic parrot]

the brainpower im channeling into my right hand is reserved only for aiming

[unborn remnant]

good idea

[honest sundial]

cast requires aiming

[runic parrot]

only takes true shot every run

[unborn remnant]

not as much

[hollow hawk]

cast only requires aiming with wasd keys

not with the mouse

[honest sundial]

do you use aim at cursor

[runic parrot]

i still havent done that movement only through achilles spear special run i want to do

[hollow hawk]

nope

never

used it once (1) on arthur

and never again

[runic parrot]

kinda weird honestly

i think the main advantage of mouse is using it to aim better

do you have dash to cursor on

[honest sundial]

that's bad because on keyboard you can move and aim at 8 cardinal directions

so it sucks

[hollow hawk]

no

[runic parrot]

[hollow hawk]

my mouse sucks so the precision is meh anyway

[honest sundial]

I use aim at cursor and dash at cursor is diabled

[runic fern]

just connect a controller /lh

seriously do consider getting a controller for 2d games they're great

[runic parrot]

sure

buy one for me

[runic fern]

2d games are controller 3d are more keyboard i feel

[honest sundial]

when you're on keyboard you have a disadvantage because of the limited movement and aim directions

[runic fern]

yeah

[unborn remnant]

For me it depends on the game

[honest sundial]

so aiming at cursor is the only advantage to using the mouse - you don't have to rely on autoaim picking random targets

[unborn remnant]

Like I need a keyboard for fps games

[runic fern]

like with games like spelunky, celeste, BoI, dead cells, hades, and more controller is a lot better, but for games like minecraft/fps/other 3d games keyboard is designed for them

yeah 2d controller 3d keyboard

[honest sundial]

oh and lobbing is pretty easy too. Feasting Fog is way way better on mouse

[runic fern]

by 2d i mean 2 plains of movement

of course hades might be a 3d game but there's two main axis of movement

[unborn remnant]

What about like

smo

or botw

[honest sundial]

I've tried it on controller. I was staying at a friend's house and played the game there

[runic fern]

i think they'd be better on keyboard but since they're console only you're forced to play controller

[unborn remnant]

I feel like you really need a controller for platforming

maybe its just me

Feels like theres more control there

[runic fern]

and with platformers yeah controllers are best

[honest sundial]

didn't like it very much. maybe I'm just not used to using a controller

[hollow hawk]

its not really 3d or 2d tbh

[unborn remnant]

vs precision with mnk

[hollow hawk]

some 3d games, like sports games, prefer a controller

[runic fern]

mainly fps is keyboard i guess

[unborn remnant]

Yeah

[runic fern]

first person, controller

[hollow hawk]

anything which values precision more than freedom of movement is for keyboard

simple

[runic fern]

sometimes free cam is annoying

[honest sundial]

anyway I don't have one and can't afford to buy one especially when I'm not going to use it ever again

[craggy barn]

it's funny how pathetically easy it is to deal with splitters if you have anything that can deflect

[runic fern]

that's fare

[runic fern]

athena? more like provider of divine dash

[craggy barn]

just wait for them to fire and them kill them immediately with their big fat projectiles

[honest sundial]

I do wish that there was an useful aim assist with attack at cursor though. Right now autoaim provides a soft lock but it is almost useless

[copper canopy]

If you don’t though, they can be horrible. I hate getting hit by Splitters and talking 50 damage at once.

[craggy barn]

even then i find their projectiles really easy to dodge

also helps that even if you can't deflect them you can just destroy them when they split

[copper canopy]

Well yeah but I’m usually preoccupied with other enemies.

[honest sundial]

when you get used to their projectiles they are not that hard to dodge

[craggy barn]

aren't they pretty squishy anyways?

[copper canopy]

Once again, not focusing on them.

[deep parrot]

Is swift flourish just useless on shield?

[copper canopy]

No it makes it faster

[deep parrot]

but they never boost attack speeds, just the delay between attacks

[copper canopy]

Well I mean it depends on the shield and playstyle

[craggy barn]

it makes missing your special on chaos shield less annoying

[deep parrot]

does it actually make the shield travel faster?

[craggy barn]

and maybe adds some i don't know, "maneuverability" or whatever to zeus shield

[honest sundial]

I was doing a run with Stubborn defiance and was trying to get myself killed and I tried to hit the projectiles on purpose and sometimes that was hard

[deep parrot]

I am using zag shield

[hollow hawk]

it speeds up the animation

[deep parrot]

cuz for everything else it only boosts the downtime before you can use the attack again, not speed up the attack

[craggy barn]

isometric cam be like

[hollow hawk]

that happens when you attack/special

[brazen lagoon]

Reduces the cooldown of using the weapon basically

[deep parrot]

arty does it speed up the shield flying speed?

I'll trust your answer

[honest sundial]

does it make the shield travel faster

[brazen lagoon]

Imma keep it real with you here I have zero clue

[deep parrot]

oop

[honest sundial]

because the main problem with the shield is that it is alow to come back

[half zephyr]

I think it does

[honest sundial]

that's why chaos shield sucks

[deep parrot]

so either it's 100% worthless or it's actually goodish

[half zephyr]

I think I always remember the shield flying faster

[copper canopy]

Well gee now I feel like I suck because only I dislike Splitters.

[half zephyr]

and zeus spinning faster possibly

the special is faster on normal shield though ye

[honest sundial]

To make shield special work (other that on Zeus) you need absolute damage

[half zephyr]

and chaos

it's called pinball for a reason

[honest sundial]

and that only 3 good (Ares, Zeus and Dionysus)

[copper canopy]

It does and I’m not sure why so many people like it, unless they’re referring to ||how it lets Chaos see through it and rarely comment||, which is awesome.

[half zephyr]

cuz pinball

that's why I like it

chaos shield is just pinball

[copper canopy]

But most of them miss

[half zephyr]

like pinball

[honest sundial]

if you put doom, hangover or lighting on it it actually works pretty well

[half zephyr]

get something that bounces

[copper canopy]

Ah- Hmm......

[half zephyr]

and it's beautiful

[honest sundial]

put any % damage is mosquito bites

[copper canopy]

Well yeah but that applies to regular shield too

[half zephyr]

mhmmm

lightning zeus shield tho

with support fire

and empowering flight

[honest sundial]

I mean not only Chaos but shield special in general with the exception of Zeus

[copper canopy]

I also like Tidal Flourish on shield because I can be really safe.

[copper canopy]

Wait does Support Fire work like that for Zeus?

[honest sundial]

I remember before I had made a successful clear I had heroic hearbreak flourish level 4 on the shield

[half zephyr]

yes

[copper canopy]

Awesome

[half zephyr]

every time your special hits an arrow shoots out

it's beautiful

[copper canopy]

Sounds like it

[unborn remnant]

Pinball time?

[copper canopy]

Sonic the Hedgehog

[half zephyr]

no, we just talking about it

[unborn remnant]

I'm a fan though

[half zephyr]

I'm on big break today

[unborn remnant]

:)

[honest sundial]

and it did no damage at all. That's when I first learned the difference between absolute and $ based damage

[unborn remnant]

nice

[half zephyr]

if I do any run it'll be collection run cuz today I is tired af

[honest sundial]

and it bounces off walls

[copper canopy]

$ based damage is from that one hammer upgrade for sword

[half zephyr]

prolly meant % dmg

[unborn remnant]

fair

[honest sundial]

% based I mean

[half zephyr]

the hoarding slash is ok

[copper canopy]

I know, I’m being cheeky.

[half zephyr]

but so sad

I wanna spend mah money

[honest sundial]

they removed the bouncing from chaos because that was too OP

[copper canopy]

That explains a lot

[honest sundial]

Haelian did runs where made a blindfolded clear with chaos shield

[copper canopy]

I don’t like watching gameplay with someone’s ugly mug in the corner

[honest sundial]

he just had someone direct him over voice