#h1-discussion
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Interestingly enough, because of the good profit margins, vinyl is a great way to support your favorite artists or game devs, because a lot of the money goes straight to them rather than paying for manufacturing or labor costs, or in the case of concerts, going mostly to the venue and their staff.
SGG do be taking lessons from Ninty
They are also very cool gifts and make great collectibles/art displays. Id be pretty happy if someone gifted me some vinyl for stuff I liked.
Oops didnt mean to actually ping 

is Dio cast the best one to pair with Hera bow?
Nope, but it's pretty good
Crush is usually best
But I had a crazy run with deflect and the Zeus Duo
Crush sticks it into enemies right?
Havent fully leveled it yet so Dio might be better for me
😛
it might be the toughest battle in the game
yeah its just that its seems to drag on, its mostly endurance
dash like a mad man, then again thats every boss encounter
dash like crazy, pray you don't get hit
not even sure its skill vs. mostly trying to power up and hope for luck
eventually eventually
@frank creek ||Hades|| fight is a spoiler.
beat to it 
sorry
You'd better be
Lol. 
also general reminder not to evade the swear filter please 
I did a run with Hermes keepsake and I had 25.2% with it at the end.
Imagine if small styx chambers increase stack
well of course it is skill, but that skill takes hundreds of hours to develop
i played around 120 and i barely understand the game
i am amazed at speedrunners and high heat players
Just be fast bro
dash is your friend
if you don't have one finger rocking back between attack and dash your lost
sure, but there's way more to it than just dash
you need a good understanding of all weapons, forges, boons, and how the enemies move, and the optimal way to deal the most damage
i am still a complete newbie in this aspect
i disagree with boss fights being dash spam
that's why i think it takes hundreds of hours to master
i thought i was good when i finished the run first time, boy i was so wrong
disregarding shaping your run with boon choices and such, bosses have telegraphed attacks with a good window for you to react
yeah i know dash haphazardly is pretty foolish what with traps and trying to avoid magma. in asphodel with the small masses of land you need to be careful you don't land in the wrong spot
That'd be too good.
Roguelike games are supposed to take you that long to master and even more.
i was theorizing a 100% dodge run to kinda steal a high heat win but you need to activate the plume every room so idk if i can do that on high heat
yeah, it's fine it takes you that long
Just keep playing, watch videos guides and ask questions if needed.
and i am glad you can complete the steam achievements on a low level play too
Which one is harder to go against in a trial of the gods Zeus or Demeter?
i think demeter is more annoying
I'd say Demeter as its more static.
depends how much space to move you had
in a small chamber demeter will dent you, but in a big one it's safe
demeter can be annoying against ranged enemies when youre melee
Yeah don't piss off Demeter imo
It also depends on you, some players may have an easier time with some than others.
Hmm
I've never dealt with Demeter before but I've dealt with Zeus and I've never died to it
personally i find athena to be the easiest trial
i mean
i think you take the least damage in it
depending on the enemies
they don't get any damage boosts or anything to help them deal damage and control you
probably a foolish q depending on player skill set etc but is there an average number of attempts before most players beat u know who
it took me 36 attempts although i took my time
Why not lmao
Cause thats 2 clears and both have been with Rail
no clears yet. sword seems useless using shield now but not big on it either. Fav has got to be the spear for its reach and speed. rail seems kind of sluggish but love grenades from a distant especially with 400 damage but need to be careful u don't hurt yourself with it
I may have messed up some dialogue as well
||After clearing the 1st time, I gifted Hades some nectar rather than interacting with him so my dialogue from my 1st clear is still in the queue after having just done my 2nd clear||
my most clears are with firsts and rail, and zeus shield has to be one of my favorite weapons because it's so safe and does so much damage
||not sure if hades is different but ive gifted nectar to other npcs and i was still able to proceed with the usual dialogue||
I got the scintillating wine dream with the Zeus legendary!
Niceee
dream?
Easy game!
Yea, scintillating feast with ice wine is kinda nuts.
And that with the zeus legendary is just ridiculously good
I also had double strike. This was a very lucky run
It sure was. The funny thing is I was trying to do something completely different.
I just wanted to do deflect on zeus shield. But then... that happened 😆
Is the bow best for just starting out?
Entirely depends on you
Depends how comfortable you are with it
tell me you had the poseidon blade
I found it's the easiest weapon for me, but that can mean something entirely for you
I have seen each aspect being called best for beginners
Like everyone of them on this server
So just pick one and go
Ok gotcha
i think bow is the hardest for beginners unless your plan is to spam special
Hey yall does anyone have tips for beating theseus n asterius 😦
i cant for the love of god kill em without god mode on
try taking acorn for that fight
do you have companions?
also getting extra dashes from hermes is pretty crucial for that fight
whoops
You know know what I want
i usually take acorn, stubborn defiances and exagryph tbh
I want a dlc
Called ||Shcelemus chronicals||
Thst like follows the story of ||skelly in his real life||
I want a game in which zagreus fights his way towards the top of mount olympus
which is basically the same thing but more montainy
Is the self-damage Rail special upgrade marker supposed to shift after the marker has been placed?
I also noticed an odd bit of inflicted damage when I was outside the marked AoE
So its more of a perspective issue for the second one, I get that
Yea
But I have cases where the AoE gets placed and then it suddenly shifts to my current location
yeah
Out in the middle of the open though? 
Hmm I guess Ill have to do more testing cause it intrigues me
Yeah Ill check this time. I was too busy trying to avoid my own AoE to notice haha.
imagine using hazard bomb
I needed it for a prophecy mate 
Rip
Also I still havent been able to get ||Aspect of Lucifer|| for rail yet, big sad
Ripp
Should I force Zeus spawns in order to get him to give me the dialogue?
Take Zeus signet
Thisll be the 2nd time I try cause he avoided the dialogue last time 
Question: does storm lightning work with phalanx lightning?
I think so
I just tried a Crush Shot build with Hera bow, I really liked it.
I still prefer Trippy Shot/Ice Wine for the animation but Crush Shot is definitely better
i wonder how many unique dialogues exist in hades. i cannot even put it in numbers. 5 digits? 6?
20k lines of dialogue, 300k words
It took me forever to get that unlocked too. Finally got it just earlier today (on my current run, actually). I think what might have done it was equipping the ||Zeus signet at the beginning of the run instead of in the middle||
More than 0. Hope that helps
What would you say makes Crush Shot good in general? I've never liked it because I feel like it makes me too vulnerable while using it at close range
Not disagreeing with you.. just wondering if I've misjudged it
I love the dialogue in the game!
The voice acting is also brilliant. I always get a kick out of Hermes and Dio.
I really wish the game would tell me how many jars I've broken. XD
I'm impressed Charon got 120 woth of harrrrghs
tis and charon having over 100 lines each is hilarious
I smash so many things.
it wouldn't surprise me if some expensive cosmetic item from the contractor included jar breaking stats
I haven't seen one.
there is not one 😅
This game brings back some bad habits of breaking all the jars I can from Zelda days
||Ive escaped like 7 times now already but Zagreus's death on the surface always makes me sad||
Just unlocked talos fists and its the most fun ive had in a while
It takes some practice, but crush shot's range is definitely something that isn't hard to get used to.
I played a crush shot build 5 times yesterday and 4 of them slapped!
the fists in general are a lot of fun when you realize you can just hold down attack and tap dash
yeah
No me who says "GET OVER HERE" when I special with them
I used to suck at them but got a pretty run going so far
The other one would've been amazing, but I took a deadly chaos boon that ended the run early
Sooo I think i found a bug that just killed me through DD?
Is there any way to unlock the charon fight?
Tried that, still nothing. I think I already got the dialogue at some point before, but for some reason its not counting the ||Titan blood Ive already invested in the weapons||
Crime.
I never got a single ||money bag to steal before Pact of Punishment|| so that might be it
wdym
If you had the dialogue, then you had the titan blood. One must happen before the other
So that means you have not had the dialogue
I dont know but one time i saw the money there and took it. Worst mistake of my life.
Also I got my ||guan yu|| aspect and ||arthur|| aspect first try
I was in TotG between DIO and Poseidon, picked poseidon, so dio was dropping poison puddles, i was very low on health, and right as i killed the last enemy, i dashed into a puddle and it ended my run, despite me having 2 DDs, just thought id post it somewhere here because i cant find any info on it online
idk how
Two designated drivers just isn't enough for a Dionysus party
How do you unlock the hidden aspects ?(Without spoiling too much)
Invest 5 titan blood into the spear and then talk to achilles
Let me list all the aspects Ive acquired: 2 Sword aspects, 3 Spear aspects, 1 Shield aspect, 2 bow aspects, 1 Fist aspect, 1 Rail aspect
Spend titan bloods in the weapons, and talk to the right people
Thats how you get the first one
So do I ||have to toss more Blood into Spear|| or am I missing something?
Idk
Yeah good cause I have a ton of titan blood that needs spending
5 should be enough
I just assumed that ||5 blood in any of the weapons so long as its not Zag aspect should do it||
Nope it has to be spear first
Ah big fat RIP
The achilles spear is the GOAT weapon
Ye facts, I should have 5 invested into it now seeing as I just unlocked all Spear aspects
I got lighting rod with achilles and I just kinda stood behind the pillars in the final boss fight and just watched their health go down
||Guan is 3||, the other 2 are 2 ea. so thats 7 quicc mafs
I put 3 in achilles and 2 in zag
or is it invest 5 blood into spear upgrades?
I have 19 blood 🤦♂️ smh I need to spend
lmao i have 0
I spend it as soon as I got
The max titan blood ive ever had was 13 and that was because I traded all my ambrosia for it
All you have to do is put 5 titan blood in the spear
It can be upgrades if you want
goootcha
"Exagryph: ||Aspect of Lucifer||. Unlock the ||Aspect of Guan Yu||, then invest at least 5 Titan Bloods into any Rail aspects. Zeus should tell you more in a conversation soon after that."
Wow OK then, so Im even more of a goof than I thought. Or, my luck with the proper dialogue is atrocious.
you need him to have previous commented on it. so ||you need to use the rail and have zeus say something about it, and then after that you can use any weapon. || but the way dialogue works, it's not immediately reactive. while certain things have more priority, it doesn't always work that way, and the game mostly just checks that you've hit x requirements and adds dialogue to your available "pool" of convo that can come up
So one way or another Im just really unlucky with the dialogue pool, either that or I got the dialogue early and never realized, and failed to get another requirement for the aspect.
one of those two, yeah
it's hard to say when you can't check back through dialogue you've seen
Yep, definitely a pain. Ill survive.
can we post memes here? i made one i'm kinda proud of but i'm not sure where to put it haha
Hades-related memes can go in #fan-works as long as no one is spamming them (and as long as they fall within the server's content guidelines)
ah okay, thank you! it has minor em3 spoilers (||thesus' chariot||) should i spoiler it? or leave it as is
spoilers allowed in fan works :) feel free to spoiler tag if you'd like but you don't have to
I finally got the dialogue 
okay cool :)
The ||5000 gems|| one
I really like the infernal theme
It honestly looks like waterfalls made of rootbeer
i like the ||chaos one...||
Same, tatz
It's also the one that feels like it takes the most work
well yes. but i like it because it appeals to me more on an aesthetic level than the others do. ethereal, decadent...
I like Deathly because it's closest to stock
How do I get the Fated List achievement ||Customer Loyalty|| to appear? It's the last one I need to complete the fated list.
Sounds like a ||charon fight||, but I don't recall
||You have to fight Charon, yes||
||I fought him twice already||
Did you win?
Yes. Twice.
🤔
In a row?
||Have you talked to Hermes about it?||
Ah that's right. It starts with a Hermes dialogue chain
Yes
I already completed ||A Friendly Wager|| and talked to Hermes
Alright, thats it. Im baffled.
||Customer Loyalty|| is the one where you have to buy all items from Well of Charon.
I got the ||Lucifer|| aspect dialogue, died, got back to the House, and still cant unlock it.
Befuddled and betwixt. 
Ohhh! You'll need to run stubborn defiance because I am guessing that is the one you are missing
You mean Stubborn Defiance
Yeah, my bad
I've been running stygian soul xD
I imagine you may be missing that and the ||companion|| one if you don't have any yet
If it's the only prophecy you don't have available to complete, it sounds like a bug as you seem fairly far into the game for it to not have appeared. I would send an
bug report in-game (if you're on PC) and in the report ask for a QA person to check your save to see what is preventing it from appearing. You are saying it's not appearing at all, right, not that you just haven't completed it?
not appearing at all
Definitely send a report then
alright
Do you have to select boons manually?
Not sure I follow
Or are they automatically equipped
Ah. Boons automatically apply their effects
Ty
they are automatically equipped, the selector thing when you open the boon menu is for show
they have no gameplay effect.
So if u die after Meg it restarts the campaign
yeah, though you do keep some upgrades
Yes
yeah, i would recommend that
What weapon is best at the moment then?
upgrade mirror and buy some new weapon, yes
all of them are good. the game had 2 years in Early Access so weapon balance is quite good.
just pick one you like/are comfortable with.
Basic sword is meh
How do u upgrade them? Or can u?
for weapon, you should try them all to see what works best with your playstyle
Despite that, my first winning run was with the sword completely by accident
you can, though that's a bit later into the game
Bow seems good
Bow is good
I would say just try to find what you like and go as far as you can
it will make sense in the end.
Sword dps is kinda meh
I'd spend some time just exploring the game, you'll get a feel for everything you're asking about pretty soon
the first nectar you gift to a character, they will return something called keepsake
Ok
each keepsake has a different effect.
Should I be invested them into one particular one?
giving a bit of nectar to everybody is better, imo.
cerberus keepsake is good early
Ok
until you have Thick Skin on mirror
Haven’t gotten it yet. How many unlocks?
it’s on the 3rd panel
Sweet almost there
gives you +50 hp
I was told that there was a way to track how many fish you've pulled in the lounge but I don't see it
you have to unlock it at the house contractor first
yes
Gotcha. Thanks
If a swap off of a keepsake that gives me stats, like Hermes' keepsake, does that take away the stats I gain throughout the run as well, or do they stay?
They go away. Plume and Pierced Butterfly are "all-in" type keepsakes
thanks
hey can you have doom from ares and divine strike from athena for example?
bcs arent they both like attack boons so u can only have 1 of them not both? idk
You can put deflect or doom on special
It even enables merciful end, which speedrunners like, because it makes doom faster
yes on special
You can’t put things in the same core slot
My bad, wrong server xD
There are a few exceptions tho
Like if you get the zeus poseidon duo boon
You can have your attack apply both rupture and jolted
love this game, only time i have ever double dipped on two systems, and i would have happily paid more than $25 each time
I’m heavily considering getting it on another system cause of how good it is
Feel especially with the save feature it’s just so worth it
StS is the only other rougelike i have ever played and I started doing that during dota queues a couple years ago. I already have more hours on Hades and I only got it when it released on switch lol
switch and pc
but i'm playing 4k 144hz Pog
Pc, heard the performance was better but if I get it on switch then I could play it without having to get it up aha
Yeah I’ve heard good things about the switch version
yeah i got it on switch first just cuz it was $25 and i didn't know anything about it other than it was a rougelike
it's great to play when at lady's house or on the run, but obviously playing on PC is the superior way, technically
not technically in the sense of "technically correct" but just objectively better performance by a long shot
i get pretty drastic FPS drops on my switch, which is to be expected, but that's just the nature of the switch. Plays pretty flawlessly on even ancient PC hardware, though
yeah my pc specs are doodoo but it can run hades just fine
only thing is or like aiming with the bow and the rail special and all that, seems like they'd be a bit of a pain on the switch
Are legendary blessings spoilers?
tbh, I can't stand playing Hades in handheld, but I have pretty big hands. Holding the console for more than 30 mins while having to mash the dash button bends my thumbs in unnatural ways. I play with the pro controller though and am fine
but playing on controller is much more enjoyable for me
compared to m+k
Oh yeah hades is on the switch is it? How's the frame rate?
it hitches at times in some rooms
I see
Ah
using controller on PC gives you the same aim assist as if playing on console
I don't mind frame drops in risk of rain 2 becaude if I'm lagging the game it means I'm having a decent run
If I didn't already have it, I'd pay the $25 to get it on switch just to distract myself during a flight lol
i.e., if you play your switch while on the move, it's worth it, especially now that cross saves are out
just port PC progress over or vice versa
Ror2 is my pick for goty from 2019 and spelunky 2 for 2020. Dunno if hades can take it from spelunky 2 because I haven't spent as much time in hades
Haven't played enough hades yet
I spent like 70 hours in spelunky 2 and only like 20 in hades
The game seems too hard for me but that's what I said about gungeon and gungeon feels real nice and easy to play so it'll prob change
I sometimes have to take the train places and that's usually about 30-40 mins away
aka 100% perfect timing for a run
so that endears Hades to me more lol
||pact of punishment|| is not something I like cause it reminds me of eclipse from ror2 and I hated it
One of the things I wanna do in the ||pact|| is the one that gives bosses ||new attacks I think it was||
bro enter the gungeon made me not want to try this game
It literally put me off the genre
I've got way more hours and never even been CLOSE
Yeah I feel like Hades is a very good balance of story and amazing gameplay... and getting my ass kicked
yeah that's what drew me in
yeah I am kinda grinding right now but there is just sooo much to do it's not even like I'm actually grinding
like all the side story, it's just amazing
yeah I kept getting to the third floor on etg and then it just seemed like if I didn't have a good setup I was just getting nowhere, and the difference with Hades is there's pretty much no progression or story in etg 😭
I find it strange how invested I was in hades story since story is my least priority in games
Good gameplay and music is good enough for me
Good story is just a bonus for me
The music in hades tho 😍
Eh I have to say I prefer ror2 soundtrack
Hades soundtrack is amazing don't get me wrong it's just ror2 really sticks to me
I stopped in a room for a minute while I ate and I honestly had like a moment where I just reaised how good the music was
I made it to final boss phase 2 and I was feeling confident until I realized the timer was low as hell and then I died to it
Felt bad
Slow Powerful Rain :D :D :D
How do I force a fight against ||our based friend Charon||?
This didnt seem bad enough to post about in tech support, but on the 3840x1600 resolution on PC, the arm rest images on the side are out of position >_>
They're too high, with empty black space below
||a golden coin purse shows up in his shop, and if you take it he will fight you. They only show up in shops mid biome, not the ones before the normal boss fights||
Anyone else think the spear is kinda too all over the place in terms of its moveset?
You can fight multiple ways. It's probably my most effective weapon.
That’s what I mean yeah
spear is definitely my least favorite weapon
Like, it’s just got a wonky charge attack for no reason
I almost never use the spin, just kinda kite either back or through my opponents and use the reach. Then against ranged opponents, the throw and return is excellent.
The spin only works if you are really well positioned out of anyone's range, and I move around too much to catch on
sword last aspect best weapon imo
Sounds like it
K then
The basic ranged attack doesn’t feel very useful without synergies
I agree with that, I personally think they made the ideas for the aspects first before considering the main aspect
Yeah. I think that having had no spin would have been better.
It’s good with Achilles though
The spin kinda just seems like they threw it in there cuz why not
Achilles's Aspect is hard focused on the spear throw, Hades's aspect is based on the spin
achilles spear best spear dont @ me
+150% damage for clicking special twice is lovely
I don’t use the spin so don’t buy the hades one got it
But it feels like they made the spear with those two aspects first-minded and it makes Zag spear feel very out of place
I’m shreading with this crit build
spear is good ||when it's Gigaros, and not Varatha|| 
The one time I beat ||Charon|| was in tartarus for some reason and I even beat ||Hades|| afterwards because I got ||Patroclus|| XD
For reference, I love Hades Spear's damage buff.
||Gigaros isn't my main playstyle but it's fun nonetheless.||
Hades spear is amazing honestly
||i was talking about hades' spear that he uses in the fight, which is a different spear than the aspect of hades spear||
Lmao one shot hydra with Artemis call after the last multi-head phase
Is it just me or do all the basic zagreus aspects kinda suck?
It’s just so... bland
it's kinda the point of the Zag aspects
Zag bow is okay i guess
they're cheap investments but by themselves they're boring compared to everything else
'
That arguably just makes them worthless in terms of what you invest your titan blood into
which is also true
what is crit rated as a stat?
like is it like a top 5 to have if you can or is it one of those things on the side
depends on the weapon, aspect and build
okay thank you im trying something and crit seems to be doing it toll in damage
OKAY
SO
DIDNT KNO
the bow's ||Aspect has a targeting function like wth i might actually use the bow more???||
||Aspect of Chiron seems fun i might do a run tommorow with it||
||chiron|| can be a lot of fun, but can feel lacklustre until it’s fully upgraded
if it’s only level 1 i’d recommend a hangover special build, which should still work okay
i dont know anything too much about special builds im like in the middle of knowing just enough but not the full game
BUT
Im assuming thats the special with Dion
yeah
Maybe todays the day I figure out how to get that ||Lucifer|| aspect, cause that dialogue showed up and I still havent received my unlock button 
like with the phrase and everything?
Yeah, I got the phrase earlier and still hasnt been unlocked, which is really odd to me.
that's definitely a bug, you should be able to immediately
Yeah Im doing another run to see if its just a quirk or Im actually softlocked somewhere
how do I get ||sigil of the dead? I already gave hades one nectar but I can't give anything else to him||
wait
Iirc You need to give him ||2|| which requires ||escaping at least 10 times||
ohhh ok
damn I've ||only escaped 3 times||
oh uhh ||do the pact of punishment give bonuses? or does it just make it harder to escape||?
Bounties
||You get titan blood, diamond, and ambrosia for each new heat level you clear up to 20, so I’d say there’s decent bonuses||
Tiny vermin new hardest boss
just punch
I legit believe that power couple is the hardest boss
wait it stops at 20?
||Bounties||
yes, they do
ignore my initial complete misreading of the question 😂
well then i now have a personal 100% goal lol
hey does anyone have a list of voice actors for the game?
I just learned that kaiserneko is the dionysus's voice actor and i wanted to see if it was true
Cyrus Nemati is Dionysus, Ares, and Theseus
oh so it's not true then lol
But if you open the game there is a credits section in the main menu
Post 20 you just do it cause why not then?
just ||beat hades twice in a row, I'm getting better|| I'm ||up to four escapes||!
Congrats Guilt!
Essentially, yes. There is of course the ||statue for 32|| but other than that it's just your own satisfaction (or leaderboards if you're into that)
so wait, ||does completing bounties make my stats stronger overall?||
my current goals are: all achievements, max levels on all weapons, ||beat em4 with every weapon ||, get the|| bond sticker on all trinkets ||,|| statue 32||, and now ||20 heat on all weapons||
cant think of anything else
No but you get more aspects and other bonuses
||Not directly, it just opens up the bounties again. You can only claim the bounties once per level of difficulty per weapon||
||Like using ambrosia can give you more companions||
ohh ok
imagine spoilering chiron pepega
anyone know anything about hades coming to ps? feeling hella left out:(
Will Hades ever come to other platforms?
We launched v1.0 of Hades only on Nintendo Switch, Steam, and the Epic Games Store. We'll be considering opportunities to bring the game to additional platforms down the line. Thank you for your interest.
via #hades-faq
nothing more has been said about it really
Based on the fact that it’s been out for as long as it has with no mention of plans to port it I’d assume that they probably won’t be porting it anytime soon if they do at all
their previous games got ports months down the line so i would just say have some patience and see
they were on break over the holidays too, something to keep in mind
okay thansk for the help guys
wish we had more info ): if you use twitter make sure you follow their account @ supergiantgames, i'd assume they'll make an announcement if more ports come to pass
Have a total of 5 Titan Blood or more invested into Rail aspects
All this time and thats what I didnt have.
Is there any way to uninvest blood so I can put it somewhere else?
No
Loving this game so much - over 100 hours in the game now
Just tried Stubborn Defiance for this first time, and I didn't actually even end up using it (well, I purposefully died once to heal up with Touch of Styx Dark)
Dang
Btw what’s the max regen time on Stygian soul?
I really like the ||heat system|| for the ability to change the difficulty in so many ways
Exactly, I find most of the reason I still like the game even when it’s hard is because there’s actually a story and you advance it by dying, so even when you do end up having to stat over you get to indulge in the story a bit before trying again. The permanent upgrades also help a lot too
Part of the reason I keep playing is because of all of the builds I can experiment with.
Yeah I love trying different boons on my attack/special to see what works the best
Glad to say I have finally "completed" Hades after 127 hours, getting all 49 achievements. Genuinely cannot wait to see more of this game, and I sincerely hope we do. Thanatos Boons pls
Somehow I only have 4 trading cards though. Thanks Steam
Complete is a strong word 😉
I got the foil hades card on steam somehow
I think it might be my first foil card ever
It is a chance to not take the damage
You have a chance to “dodge” an attack (you don’t take any damage)
And if you get multiple dodge chance things they add together
Oooh I thought it meant you automatically dash that’s way better
Like, if you would get hit, you just don’t
Yep. Just keep in mind one of the conditions of Greater Evasion is to get hit before you get a dodge chance.
So it can be a bit risky
I’ll definitely use that in the future
I know you're referring to dodge in general, but I thought it's worth to point it out
But speaking of the hermes boons, the art for the symbols are super cool
If you use Hermes’ keepsake, get a 20-25% dodge chance boon, and use max zag aspect fists you can get very high dodge chances
I got to 60% and I didn’t even have Hermes’ keepsake maxed yet lol
Mr untouchable
That seems like a crying dab moment
If you play your cards right, you can get 100% or more dodge chance
Isn’t there also a mirror upgrade that gives +dodge chance?
Don't think so
There isn't
Ruthless reflex gives it
Ruthless reflex gives extra damage if you get a near miss
It's extra damage and dodge chance
yeah^50% extra dodge chance for like 2 secs after you near miss
Oh interesting. Didn't know about that part
The nice thing is near misses almost come naturally
Not at all as hard as they sound
Btw, do the presence abilities work for any type of damage?
Like if you have shadow presence, can you backstab with a cast?
No, you'd still need Parting Shot for that
Oh. Is that the same for fiery presence too?
If not, what do they normally work on?
Shadow Presence affects any damage that counts as backstab damage normally. Fiery Presence works universally on any undamaged enemy
Oh good. So Fiery Presence does work with casts. I did 5 runs doing a cast fiery presence build yesterday. I'm glad it wasn't all for nought. :P
So does special backstab? Or is it attack only?
Depends on the special. From memory, AoE specials don't backstab
So parting shot is useless with fiery unless exposed?
Parting Shot automatically grants cast backstab
You can also get chaos boons and a well of charon item that increases backstab damage
Sure but what does back stab do without shadow presence
It has its own base backstab damage increase built in (30%? something like that)
Huh I've never seen back stab bonuspop up unless I'm using shadow
Chaos backstab boons will not be offered if you are running fiery presence
That is because fiery presence makes it to where you can't backstab.
Backstab is a shadow presence effect.
At least, that's what I am understanding. I do believe that the backstab damage comes from shadow presence
wouldn't parting shot be a lot better with shadow?
Significantly
I find it hard to backstab with casts personally
I beat the final boss for the first time today
Does aphro cast deal different damage depending on how far you hit it
Basically does it deal more damage if I shotgun people instead of just grazing them
No difference
Thx mate 
Can you get infinite bounties
No you stop getting them after ||20 heat with each weapon||
Yea. Sadly I have a feeling I need more diamonds then I can actually have from the bounties
Unless you've done some aggressive trading, you should have plenty. So I'm guessing that's what happened?
The court music accumulates a lot of diamonds, but I tended to trade them for ambrosia while I was dealing with that grind
You can still get diamonds from nectar (which I no longer need), so the broker can definitely make it happen
What do you do with those hearts you get from@meg?
What hearts
Or little red@potion looking things
blood i think
Yes perhaps
you can use it to upgrade weapons later
yeah titan blood
imagine building towards hunting blades and never getting it 
I was building towards hunting blades but kept getting the wrong gods and ended up with 2 other duo boons instead.
if that isn’t hades described in a sentence I don’t know what is
i got a quite useless legendary boon in styx, so i went into more chambers to try and get a purging station so i could get the steam achievement. i forgot i had tight deadline on 7 minutes and died on the room with the purging station
Taken by the ticks
o7
this may sound stupid, but I think a multiplayer mode you can enter while in a run(every 10 rooms or so) where you basically play in a thanatos room with another person , that could be pretty fun
and maybe the players have to be on the same room so one isn't op
I can see how that might be fun, but it would also be an incredible amount of work for SGG to implement
Plus the fact that the game is balanced around a single player experience where Zag is effectively a glass cannon
yeah that's true
when you have to stop playing hades bc your wrist do be hurting;-;
Use your other wrist then
Just gotta convert to a controller 
Or get on of those mouse pads with extra plush near the wrist area
How would that work? Pass your save off to someone else after each biome?
Just pass the controller bro
yea
was thinking like that
but pandemic
uhhhhhhhhhh
"Ok we're gonna do EM4, Eric good luck"
Eric : "wait wat?"
Well just get together. If you don't have COVID, cool. If you do, everyone has it and you can hang out in isolation together which means even more Hades Racing
Literally win win
😬
Wight knows I make too much sense
so much sense, I'm not even trying to understand it
No fox has a point
died to redacted cause I never got any duo boons and am noob
no mirage shot or hunting blades on a blade rift cast build 
god's legacy nerfed confirmed
This is why Hidden spear is the superior Blade Rift
i m frigged
I got everything
yeah fluffy, I had 20% darkness on spear
and saw your build
and wentr
"maybe i'll try that, cause I normally hate the spear"
guess what, I HATE IT EVEN MORE NOW 
hey spear is gud :<
spear gud
hold up
Shoutout to dusa
how are there 3 different Dusa emotes
Spear good you just bad smh

cause dusa is the best

^

No like 3 of the same Dusa though
Ceberus
I don't see a problem
No comment

i would agree if it wasn’t for the fact Thanatos exists
i am a huge simp
death daddy
I simp for artemis
shes a i would trust her with my life kind of pretty ✨
ye
🍃 artemis 🍀 🍂 ✨
to Theseus and Asterius "THIS IS A ROBBERY"
dude theseus and asterius is actual hell
wait till he sees the pact

Just don't get hit bro
easier said than done
you'll get there :>
Take Evergreen Acorn for that fight, it helps.
also
i need to upgrade it ;-;
you get hit fairly often the spearpoint is nice
You'll eventually get better at the fight, they're supposed to be hard.
If you want to see an example fight of that with limited mirror talent and almost zero boons, you can look in #h1-for-new-players for the vid I posted.
Not a perfect fight but close enough.
oh nothing, just a very, very mild spoiler
i can tell
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Its a Roguelike game, its all about analyzing and learning enemies patterns.
i'd recommend that when the fight starts you should always immediately go for asterius and keep him away from theseus
At some point you'll just be attacking them non stop while not taking much damage.
the most theseus will be able to do in that situation is throw his spear at you which is easily avoided by hiding behind pillars
that’s what i do
i just need to not get hit mostly
Watch out for when Theseus aim at you, hide behind a pillar when he's going to throw his spear, learn to time it so that you know when to hide.
which in a 20 min average run that’s pretty hard
theseus is totally vulnerable while he's calling for a god
i know ive fought him like 7 times already
you can wail on him but be mindful of the god trying to kill you
Well I'm just trying to help.
dude that is actually my worst nightmare
i can’t use anything but the bow
because i suck at close range and dash timing
Theseus is a wee guy, but Asterius is a shagger
I like the upgrade that bumps it up to 18 shots personally
yeah that is nice
you can also upgrade zag aspect to have up to 24 base ammo
it only costs 5 but i'd recommend you try it out some more, get a feel for it before investing any resources into it
oh
i do not like claws
just
no
shield and lance are okay i could care less
shield good because it does the captain america
the general strat for fists is to keep chaining hits by dashing around your enemy while attacking so there's no delay in-between attacks
Learn how to dodge, it'll help you a lot.
it's also great with zeus, dionysus, arty basically any god that's generally good with fast weapons
you should only use the special for dealing with enemies that have low health
Every weapons are good btw, you just need to learn them, nothing wrong with not using them all tho, just play with what you prefer.
Shameless plug but here is how I would approach that fight.
#h1-for-new-players message
spear seems meh but the way i've seem haelian use it is crazy
Putting curses on bow special is pretty good.
it is
Spear is amazing, especially Achilles spear.
Its my favorite weapon, I loved it from the start.
Yeah, it makes Crystal Meme a reality
has he made a guide on how to use the spear in particular? i wanna spam dash-strike and kill enemies instantly
Just take serrated point 4head
Crystal Meme is too fun, especially with Stygian and extra casts
aspect of chiron with art special imo is pretty good
without serrated point
smh\
imagine crystal meme but with stygian soul and multiple casts
Well looking at players makes it looks like they're spam dashing, somehow true but this is all coordinated.
It surprises me sometimes the discrepancy between Deadly Strike and Deadly Flourish
If Strike has the same stats as Flourish
Oh boy
i remember one of my friend sent me a boon for aph
I believe the balance there (with attack vs special in general) is that attacks can be executed more frequently and so have lower damage to compensate
it was “Empty inside”
Yeah, though GY laughs at that.
thought nothing head empty
And Chiron
“Weak effects have a longer duration”
With any weapon ?
In general
and with the subtitle never have i been so offended with something i 100% agree with
There are small exceptions but for the most part yes
also @lapis ether is that a drip thanatoast
yes
what's drip?
but drip
Thanachos
like just outfit in general?
activate
Drip is just good clothes
Than looks like Doom Guy
it gets worse the longer you look at it
Like you have you ever seen dragon ball super broly movie?
it gets better tomato guy
When goku and vegeta were in those tracksuits before the fight? That's drip.
want cursed thanatos
@lapis ether your wish is my command
I want zagerus with drip mod
same
Lol.

why
Doom guy looking
Let's take the meme spam from 100% down to about 5%, please 
Did the thanatos wall just move?
yes
Or am I just really tired
yes
it slowly surrounds you
Oh okay good I'm not losing it

the god of curse return to doing random things
I'm such a moron hahahahahahahahah
oh
Beat the hydra and went for a sip of my morning coffee, not realising I had one foot in the lava
Lost a death defy 
Keep it sfw raku
If you say that again I will punish you with eternal meme hell
yes


frontfacing thanatos weirds me out
his bangs are like a mcdonalds sign
how does he get them to stay so. upright
does that include having all the ||warden ranks|| and all the contractor stufff done 
not sure what the "100% guide" is for the game
there's only one step and it just says "grind"
100% Achievement isn't that grindy
You can probably finish it in 100 hours or less.
100% the game is a completely different story though
100 hours or less
oof
I mean that's kinda low for most Steam games tbh
hmm just took a peek at the achievement list, yeah it's not that hard i think
godspeed mate
bastion? kinda slower though
😔
if you want similair gameplay, find a new roguelike 
it felt almost like a fighting game but isometric
true
it's close enough I think with the top down fastpaced action
with all the mechanics around precise movement and hitstun and all that
oh yeah i should try and play that with my arcade stick
also i love playing hades with an arcade stick
What do you mean by isometric ?
I see.
like at an angle where you can see depth and height
its the sort of top down camera angle
someone built a whole arcade cabinet for Hades
yeah i saw, that was awesome
but yeah 100% dead cells is great
i kinda wanna get hades on the pc too
Dead Cells combat might be the closest to Hades.
just know, dead cells can be REALLY unforgiving of mistakes
good choice
which kind of almost reminds me of hades?
Its hard to find something close to Hades, I've played a lot of Roguelike games and Hades is the best to me so far.

Does anyone know where the Hades game folder is located on Steam?
Same.
not necessarily in like it's tone but in how well structured and hand crafted it is
i know
it makes binding of isaac feel so clunky in comparison
right click->properties->local files
Thank you! 🙏
should be able to go to steam libarry and open local files on right clic k
There's 20XX which is a good Roguelike inspired from Mega Man X but there isn't as much action as Hades.
Before Hades, Dead Cells and 20XX were my favorite Roguelike games.
there was this really difficuly absolute bastard of a roguelike i heard about recently
i've heard good things about risk of rain 2 but it goes in a completely different direction than hades
Also, 30XX, a sequel to 20XX came out recently on Steam in Early Access.
i wanna play risk of rain 2 but it's unplayable on my laptop
yea RoR 2 is awesome, but it's a third person shooter
Curse of the Dead Gods recently came out of EA I think
eww ea 🤮
I have Risk of Rain 2 on Switch, its nice but I haven't played it much.
also for the longest time i was convinced that hades had 3d models on top of 2d backgrounds
whaddya mean it doesn't
Yeah, the game is awesome btw.
they're prerendered
I mean Hades used to be EA
Children of Morta is also an awesome roguelite with story elements.
Early Access
apparently each animation has 32 prebaked directions
Not Electronic Arts
I think the hardest achievent for me will be the butterfly one 🤣
damnit
which is actually insane
Oh yeah I have that one too on Switch, its a really nice Roguelike as well, I really like it.
Not for me lol
Just don't get hit bro
It's not that strict
I'm used to taking damage for benefit, the butterfly is like not congurent with that
You can get it by the end of Asphodel
zag rail + poseidon attack is what i'd recommend
what's your favorite weapon?
ok i found it
its called noita
Oh? I thought it requires no damage the whole game
oh i love noita
Before Hades, Children of Morta was the closest Roguelike to have a story but not as much as Hades, Children of Morta has cutscenes between runs sometimes while Hades usually always have story whether between runs or during runs.
Only up to a certain percent
noita doesnt really click for me, too sandbox-y
you're basically done then ^^
this game is for the mentally deranged
honestly the closest comparison i can think of to hades in tone is something like spiritfarer
spiritfarer has convinced me that every game should have a hug button
I played since EA and I'm sure I did it, but it didn't register retroactively
I'm 38/49 still a lot left
i only have it on switch which i don't think has an equivalent to achievements?
aside from the list of minor prophecies and all
Don't think so yeah
once i've done the ||heat|| achievements i'll just go for bad call
What's the 2nd one?
so if i got it on steam and did the save share would i get a bunch of acheivments at once?
do the harsh conditions prophecy
Yeah
which im workingon
But not all
neat
well it's not like i've got the game 100%ed anyway
Yeab
i've gotten to the true ending but not the epilogue
still haven't open the gates lol
Is there no achievement for all the prophecies tho
that would be awful
Not that hard. I mean you shouldn't take damage in Erebus anyway

Yeah please mask that ||EM4||
||did an erebus gate in asphodel once, wasn't expecting an elysium enemy and got hit immediately||
That's like omega spoiler xD
I keep forgetting which channels are spoiler set and which are not
Erebus can have enemies from every biome I think
especially since I often forget which channel I'm even in >_>
Except Styx
i basically never take erebus gates cause i'm too scared to go in em lol
neither do mine lol
So yeah
God having to do Python things for this 🤣
that being said most of my friends IRL never play video games so
and the ones that do play like league or whatever
man
is anyone here into fighting games?
i have MKX
what is it with how it's always only your friends who play mobas
i feel like a lot of comparisons could be made between them and hades
i think MOBAs are disgusting
i can say im an enthusiast, but i'll never be good at one xD
These hitboxes man...
||https://i.imgur.com/9htSKlZ.png||
i mostly button mash when i'm playing fighting games cause i'm too lazy to learn moves and stuff
Nothing wrong there xD
Laser beams can definitely melt snow banks






