but you'll know when you need it
#h1-discussion
hexed shore
stark onyx
yeah!
waxen juniper
Oh man, it's the worst when I reroll with Fated Persuasion and get exactly the same boons: rarity and all. -_-
distant night
usually one is different
brisk trail
I did ri1 for my first 32 but i dont remember
distant night
it should never be 100% same
waxen juniper
it should never be 100% same
It's happened before
waxen juniper
Shouldn't and did are two different things
distant night
yes
tepid pulsar
Hi, new here
I beat hades for the 1st time a week ago, haven't been able to do so again
distant night
please spoiler the name
tepid pulsar
whats the best way to farm titan bloods? I want to unlock the secret aspects of a few weapons
distant night
honestly just playing
the trader isnt really worth it and you get 2 titan blood every new won run
trader in the lounge
hexed shore
Oh man, it's the worst when I reroll with Fated Persuasion and get exactly the s...
lol i hate when that happens
west kraken
people know how to put mods please?
hexed shore
i wish they'd like put a restriction or something so that shouldnt be possible
distant night
you get the lounge after a few deaths
hexed shore
like i understand this is the result of it being actual rng
but also actual rng is not always good
tepid pulsar
Ok I ll guess i Farm gems then
distant night
whats happening
hexed shore
early on some might recommend trading in ambrosia for blood if youre really desperate since you wont have a use for ambrosia for a while
but also like I'd say save 4-5 ambrosia and use the rest maybe?
distant night
the bottle from elysium
tepid pulsar
so i trade it for titan blood
low nexus
could smeone help me with this thing :its on hades-victory-boasting
tepid pulsar
took me 55 hours to just unlock the fishing rod lol
low nexus
tell me what it is
tepid pulsar
I m still missing some people to give nectar
hexed shore
have you finished all key upgrades?
sleek grove
distant night
the rod is good for getting anything
low nexus
rod is amazing
distant night
you get nectar from the elysium fishes and stage boss items from the overworld fishies
low nexus
one of the best upgrades you can get
distant night
yes
low nexus
i love the little emotes shades do
tepid pulsar
I m still having trouble with elysium
hexed shore
also how do you get legendary fish
distant night
thats why they are so rare
low nexus
luck
tepid pulsar
I hate that place
low nexus
oh
tepid pulsar
I should max out affinity with all characters?
hexed shore
guess im never cataching one
tepid pulsar
i am doing Meg first
hexed shore
yes ideally razor
low nexus
i didnt know that
hexed shore
i did nyx first
distant night
if it says "perfect catch" above when you catch a fish you have a 5% chance to get a leg fish
pliant sparrow
meg first is good
hexed shore
still stuck in dialogue rng with nyx
pliant sparrow
also sisyphus is good
tepid pulsar
how do I unlock hades room and the room where thanatos sometimes is?
pliant sparrow
play the story
low nexus
just play the game
tepid pulsar
so I have to beat the game 8 more times?
distant night
hades room comes after true end; administrative chambers can be bought fromt he house contractor
hexed shore
ez you got this
pliant sparrow
yah dude just play
tepid pulsar
i m playing with heat
pliant sparrow
theyre not gonna lock a section of the house behind some obscure secret
tepid pulsar
no wonder I can't beat it
hexed shore
remember you wont get higher heat rewards unless you clear
distant night
^^^
hexed shore
so bumping heat up is pointless unless you've cleared at lower heat
tepid pulsar
So I should just clear with every weapon once in normal?
distant night
yes
low nexus
yup
pliant sparrow
unless you really like a weapon
distant night
but you can also focus on one weapon
tepid pulsar
gamefaqs is so dead, so they told me to look hades discord instead
pliant sparrow
then you can clear, then start working your way one by one up in heat
distant night
i got spear up to 10 ||heat|| first before clearing 1 ||heat|| with any other
distant night
we are always awake
tepid pulsar
ok thanks
distant night
or at least Onyx is
distant night
sometimes you can summon some people when you talk about who they simp for
this server is fun
hexed shore
hmm i need to simp for someone is what im getting from this convo
manic bobcat
There is a right choice btw 👀
distant night
right choice of simping?
distant night
hmm i need to simp for someone is what im getting from this convo
you dont need to per se, but most will end up simping for somebody
low nexus
i simp to that one shade in the theseus battle
low nexus
OMG
i used the owl pendant
and hermes just was like im here first
and i got him instead
one my my favorite dialoge\
distant night
fastest coz
low nexus
and now i dont get her
pliant sparrow
you still do
hexed shore
you will get her
pliant sparrow
using god boon doesnt guarantee it coming first
distant night
the keepsake only makes sure you will get her
hexed shore
he says dont worry she'll show up soon
low nexus
well at some point yeah
distant night
not first, not even guaranteed first in tartarus
pliant sparrow
hammer, other rewards, hermes can come first
hexed shore
as for simping i'd honestly simp for aphro, her boons are my favorite
but also artemis NotLikeThis
distant night
hmm
waxen juniper
What's everyone's thoughts on Mistral Chill? I am not sure where I stand on that
distant night
and design-wise?
waxen juniper
mistral dash?
Care to give a non-sarcastic answer please?
hexed shore
lol im sorry
brisk trail
There is a right choice btw 👀
dio, obviously
hexed shore
i was actually just thinking like an hour ago whether aphro dash is better or demeter is better
like its good for activating ps but also its a bit hard to aim
since it shoots straight ahead
waxen juniper
lol im sorry
Not a big deal. I just prefer if someone is to give sass on a serious question that they follow up with the actual answer
brisk trail
not a fan of mistral dash
hexed shore
also i like to stack my chill till atleast like 6 or 7 so that the ps can stay active and i can keep pummeling
waxen juniper
Demeter's dash
brisk trail
but i never look for her boons anyway
distant night
oh yeah
hexed shore
I think in general i'd rather have demeter on any other slot except dash
distant night
it has a really nice animation and the best dash sound but if i want a status curse dash dio is way better
hexed shore
really?
distant night
yes
hexed shore
i was actually never impressed by dio dash
waxen juniper
dio dash is quite strong
distant night
dio dash is good if you dont want him anywhere else
brisk trail
his call is quite strong
distant night
like sword, it would suck on special
hexed shore
doesnt it leave a pool where you were and not where you end up?
yea i really like dio call
and cast
waxen juniper
his call is quite strong
I am not sure I know of many bad calls :p
distant night
dio call is nice personally demeter is my fave because it affects so many people
hexed shore
what about aphro dash?
distant night
horrible
brisk trail
it and zeus are the best dps calls imo
distant night
throw it in the trash
hexed shore
oof
distant night
aphro has the strongest damage bonus why waste it on dash
hexed shore
i prefer athena to poseidon call
waxen juniper
Athena's call lasts significantly longer than others
brisk trail
*worse aphro jesus
distant night
poseidon is weird
distant night
there is nothing like poseidon so you really have to get used to it
carmine ravine
ohno
distant night
i agree with Myth
low nexus
a
brisk trail
i can see arty being good if you have lots of crit enhancement
waxen juniper
there is nothing like poseidon so you really have to get used to it
rip current, the call support boon, makes the call incredibly strong
brisk trail
the chances of it critting is not very good
hexed shore
artemis can get past shields and works against lots of people too
brisk trail
aphro has more guaranteed damage
hexed shore
and usually you dont need as much damage as aphro is giving
artemis does the trick just fine
brisk trail
boss fights?
carmine ravine
lol wat
brisk trail
and even at 1 bar
distant night
rip current, the call support boon, makes the call incredibly strong
that is true but it is still incredibly awkward to use since if you miss the target you lose nice dps that you would have ith athenas
hexed shore
I mean if im taking arty call im not using before full bar
distant night
guaranteed yes, but the critical chance is just good
carmine ravine
charm, wweak, dmg suscept, all makes ur run easier
distant night
also aphro normal call just sucks, again why waste aphro on CALL of all things
hexed shore
aphro call doesnt weak
brisk trail
in which you wouldn't want it full
hexed shore
i agree with cat here
distant night
meow
carmine ravine
no im talking aphro in general
distant night
of course, and charm is scary on the endboss
hexed shore
the main reason i dont use aphro on call or dash or cast is cause her special or attack is so much more valueable
brisk trail
at full gauge, the chances of all your arrows critting are very, very small
carmine ravine
no one use aphro dash
distant night
butif you have the chance of aphro call vs her attack, why waste it on call of all things. also you could use the call for another bonus status curse
carmine ravine
aphro dash range just isnt worth it
brisk trail
i mean, i wouldnt take call over attack
hexed shore
that i can agree alpha
brisk trail
just saying i value aphro call vs arty call
hexed shore
ive only used it on gauntlets
brisk trail
depends on build
hexed shore
i think i take arty call every chance i get cause i dont like her other boons so much
carmine ravine
only calls i get is zeus or poi
hexed shore
not activating ps is annoying to me
carmine ravine
arty call is unfit to clear rooms
stark onyx
i like dionysus
brisk trail
just take family favorite ez
stark onyx
fun privileged status memes big hangover
hexed shore
my fav call is arty prolly
distant night
priviledged status really favors dio or ares on anything
hexed shore
i think poseidon is my fav dash
like divine dash is ofc better but poseidon is the most fun
distant night
||demeter||, dio or artemis
carmine ravine
zeus full call can do more dmg than arty full call
distant night
you gotta be close for zeus
hexed shore
you have stick close for zeus call to work
brisk trail
you'd want to do zeus 1 bar tho right
distant night
same
carmine ravine
if safe build then just go hunting blades, or dio cast + 2 duos with poi call
distant night
demeters call is just as scary as her trial of gods or theseus help
i just imagine the enemies being as scared muhahaa
hexed shore
oops
anyway you know when artemis tells you you're friends then appears in theseus fight
carmine ravine
still need that clearing stack boon for dem call to be effective
distant night
bonus damage
carmine ravine
80 on common
hexed shore
does 1bar call even afllict more than 10 stacks?
distant night
idk the wiki said 100
carmine ravine
probably not updated
distant night
yeah i just looked in codex you right
hexed shore
so like is the dot better or the blast
distant night
dot?
hexed shore
like the blast is immediate damage but the dot is ps for longer
carmine ravine
dmg over time
hexed shore
damage over time
distant night
ah my apologies i didnt think it was an abreviation and just the word dot
carmine ravine
demeter already give dmg percentages if u use it on atk or special
hexed shore
sure i mean if im using it with fists or gun I'll take both cause im gonna be stacking a lot of those
carmine ravine
i mean u can use fog with dem duo to apply lot of chill
hexed shore
yea thats usually how i get my chill going
distant night
chill is a nice status curse but also a weird one
hexed shore
if i wanna get dio/aphro duo and ares/dio duo whats the suggested layout for my boons
distant night
using it without the full status curse build gang feels sad
hexed shore
im thinking dio attack, aphro special, dio cast
distant night
which weapon? rail?
distant night
that would be the favorable one then yeah
distant night
ares needs to be on attack or special for that
hexed shore
oh wait
distant night
so you'd need dio attack ares special aphro dash if you still want her
distant night
oh true
hexed shore
i guess he can be 6th god or something
hexed shore
though that seems really hard to pull off
like i doubt im getting that duo
what if dio dash with ares attack
then i can go for dire misfortune too
still unsure what dash to go for though
waxen juniper
Poseidon Special on chiron is quite interesting
burnt canopy
just finished a run with all the powerup slots filled except for a dash one
is there an achievement for having a run with all powerups?
or an event
waxen juniper
No
burnt canopy
alright
humble patrol
I think in a future update there should be a Achilles + Patroclus duo fight for fun
would be cool
hexed shore
Is that theseus
manic bobcat
How do you do a boon less run
like the rules?
humble patrol
gives you an extra prize for doing so like charon fight
hexed shore
Wow I've never felt such conflicted emotions
humble patrol
lmao
hexed shore
Anyway fox I meant what's the general strategy
I wanna finish the game once without any Olympian help but idk how
humble patrol
you can pick up boons for the main 5 things
manic bobcat
Shackle + anything, really
humble patrol
but u cant use them
so if u pick up a dash, make sure to sell it quick and u cant dash
manic bobcat
Shackle + Hestia is relatively easy to do.
humble patrol
or ur using it
manic bobcat
Or Shackle + Zag/Rama Bow
hexed shore
Hestia is the empowered first shot right?
humble patrol
yea
manic bobcat
Yeah.
hexed shore
How come, I tried hestia but it didn't seem that great
hexed shore
Also I thought chiron would be better than zag?
humble patrol
the 5th tier is 75% attack power boost
manic bobcat
Yeah. Level 5. Shoot once reload.
brisk trail
That's Eris, not Hestia.
manic bobcat
Also I thought chiron would be better than zag?
Not if you want to do boonless. Zag Bow scales easier with hammers.
And hammers are all you get in boonless
brisk trail
Twin, Flurry, Shackle, EZPZ Hammerless Zag Bow.
manic bobcat
For Chiron you need Relentless and Concentrated Volley, and that's kinda underwhelming without boons.
hexed shore
With zag special I'm looking to shotgun people right?
manic bobcat
For Zag bow you take Flurry Twin Shot and basically amchine gun everyhting
brisk trail
Chiron is the only Aspect that modifies the Special (besides Rama).
waxen juniper
Chaos shield does
manic bobcat
With zag special I'm looking to shotgun people right?
For Zag Bow, in general, you don't want to special too much. Your power comes from dash strike power shot.
manic bobcat
Special when you want to apply status. So in boonless runs, just unbind special
manic bobcat
I guess I've been playing it wrong
Yeah, learn to power shot while dash striking with Zag Bow
It feels really good.
hexed shore
What about ||gilgamesh||, I thought having triple dash for boon less would be really good - guantlet hidden aspect spoiler
manic bobcat
It's certainly doable.
hexed shore
Does shackle also scale maim damage?
manic bobcat
Just that for boonless specifically, your power comes from hammers. And Bow is about the best hammer dependent weapon in the game as it can take advantage of
Twin Shot
Triple Shot
Point Blank Shot
Perfect Shot
Flurry Shot
etc.
Not to mention 15% crit scales well with large modifiers from Twin/Triple Shot.
manic bobcat
Does shackle also scale maim damage?
This idk tbh.
manic bobcat
yeah. though every weapon is certainly doable. im just speaking for the more optimized version of it.
burnt canopy
omg
i just realized you can change the upgrade in the mirror upgrading thing
if you click on the left button
wow
manic bobcat
lul
burnt canopy
and im almost done maxing them
manic bobcat
enjoy your alternative. (hint Dark Foresight is kinda OP)
hexed shore
Dark foresight makes the golden laurels appear more often right
manic bobcat
yup
waxen juniper
Man, this run has been rough. I only have 1 DD + acorn left for the final fight :/
wooden quartz
ok so what is the current process for epic to switch cross save before i turn the key on picking up the switch port
waxen juniper
Forced Overtime has made this very difficult
Phase 2!!
Got it! First 16 heat win :D
I wish I got rupture, that would've made that run a cake walk
pliant sparrow
does sea storm even work with chiron bow anymore?
hexed shore
It doesn't
pliant sparrow
ok so what is the current process for epic to switch cross save before i turn th...
"Before using Cross-Saves, please be sure to read the in-game Help & Info section in the Cross-Saves submenu."
waxen juniper
It does not stack if that is what you mean
spare hemlock
y’all have any tips for beating thanatos? i always kill one enemy less then him and it’s so annoying
hexed shore
whats your preferred weapon
in general go for people without shields and try to knock them out of his circle
opaque nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/790349699328245760/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/790349742394572830/unknown.png screenshot of the time where I actually have world record in a category
plain skiff
O.O
you can equip multiple duo boons?
i got two for the first time last night
O.O
waxen juniper
I've never tried ||skelly companion|| yet and I know how most people feel about it. So I'm gonna give it a try and see if I like it.
waxen juniper
got four duos once
Gotta love those runs
mighty rose
I want to ask something do you guys /girls believe that if hades comes to other consoles will they also allow cross save?
carmine ravine
probably, but they have no plan to release it on other consoles yet
so dont hang on it
manic bobcat
Honestly this is hard to say, but yeah, I think it would be a huge missed opportunity if they don't release on other consoles especially given:
- Hades is both critically acclaimed and enjoyed by many people. I think it topped the chart for Switch eShop on release date or something.
- New consoles were just released so bringing Hades to the next gen console sounds likely.
What is harder to say imo is whether or not we have sequels/DLC. But as for consoles ports, yeah, likely, eventually. (Hell Bastion made it to iOS lmao)
carmine ravine
wdym its not critically acclaimed, who dont like it
manic bobcat
lmao typo
idk how "is" was turned into "not," but here we are. fixed.
but you are right. "eventually" can also mean not anytime soon. I would not hold my breath for it.
carmine ravine
i still dont see the point of porting it to next gen consoles tho
since its not boasting ultra graphical fidelity or sth
manic bobcat
no, but it's the console that most people will own soon.
they can make Hades work on PS3 probably, doesn't mean that they will release it on PS3.
If they want to port it to Sony or Microsoft platforms, PS5 and Xbox Series make the most sense.
rancid vapor
||EM4 + HL5 Hades eats me for breakfast lmao|| there is no way I can win until I learn how to doooodgeee!
good luck to you all o/
plush citrus
||EM4 + HL5 Hades eats me for breakfast lmao|| there is no way I can win until I...
😔 one day i will learn how to dodge
plain skiff
i keep getting all the way to hades
then dieing on his second form
but due to the nature of the game i just keep trying and eventually id assume i will do it
plush citrus
don't forget to use spoilers for specifics on the final boss @plain skiff 🙂
which bit is getting you the most?
hexed shore
I personally find the second form easier
He doesn't disappear so it's easier to stack dot on him
I'd say practice dodging the spin move on theseus it helps a lot
manic bobcat
turn on brightness for ||phase 3||
brisk trail
haxx
hexed shore
Also didn't devs say they have no plans for dlcs
manic bobcat
No plan at the moment. They were focusing on getting cross-save out of the door. Now cross save is out but no other announcements.
Everything is speculation right now.
mighty rose
I have a question what is better to buy the game now on switch and later on the next or last gen console or better wait that it comes to playstation and Xbox
manic bobcat
better wait that it comes to playstation and Xbox
Well that wait might be a while.
Is there any reason why you don't want it now on Switch or PC?
mighty rose
Well I am used to it to play on playstation also do I like the trophy system there because than I am more motivated to do more in the game I am not a trophy hunter but it's a nice feeling to get maybe a rare one steam has this to but I want to play on a big screen and my pc is not the best
That's way if I buy it now it is only really possible on the switch
narrow hemlock
most recent post about other platforms https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1339336908795592704
manic bobcat
I see. Then, yeah, I'm not sure what you should do either. Maybe hold out a bit longer for an announcement then.
Ok I'm confused by that tweet. Do they mean to say:
" We've never said we're not working on other versions, but that we haven't ruled anything out for the future and may consider opportunities to bring the game to additional platforms down the line"?
narrow hemlock
i think all it means is that there isnt currently anything in the works, but that doesnt discount anything later down the road
they've always said they would consider additional platforms, even through early access before the switch announcement
plain skiff
@hexed shore well i kinda just have no more lives left and little health by the that time
manic bobcat
Yeah, that's what I gathered also from the announcements.
sterile totem
did Hestia get nerfed in the Switch version?
narrow hemlock
switch got all the changes pc has gotten since launch
manic bobcat
I assume with their high quality standard, porting to new consoles means a lot of QA
plain skiff
@plush citrus yes apologies, how do i do the spoiler thing again?
waxen juniper
did Hestia get nerfed in the Switch version?
I don't think there are console specific nerfs
sterile totem
does that include some Hestia nerf in a way
manic bobcat
did Hestia get nerfed in the Switch version?
Hestia wasn't touched for a while.
waxen juniper
Yeah, Hestia is pretty solid right now
sterile totem
I think I just had a bad run then...or maybe I should only run it with Artemis
I put a bunch of Athena on it and it kept doing 600
hexed shore
@plain skiff what keepsake do you use
sterile totem
instead of like 1000s
hexed shore
And how many defiances do you have
narrow hemlock
looking through patch notes, recent hestia mentions are just fixes so yeah
no nerf
hexed shore
Wait how does hestia do 1000s
waxen juniper
Athena actually isn't a bad idea. And yes, do not be surprised by that. If you don't have crit capabilities, ya aren't gonna crit
hexed shore
What am I missing
waxen juniper
It's not quite 1000, but it is strong
hexed shore
Artemis attack?
waxen juniper
Yea, sounds like it
sterile totem
and lots of Chaos too
manic bobcat
Yeah I think 1000 damage per shot on Divine Strike Hestia is really hard to get
hexed shore
I always thought aphordite should be the goto attack?
manic bobcat
That means lots of Chaos, and maybe Hunter Dash also
waxen juniper
@sterile totem do you have Hestia upgraded on switch as much as you do on PC? That may play a significant role
hexed shore
Is Artemis the only one who increases dash strike damage?
manic bobcat
I always thought aphordite should be the goto attack?
Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash outscales Heartbreak Strike + Hunter Dash due to how multiplier works.
sterile totem
yes Myth
manic bobcat
Not to mention Chaos, so Deadly Strike, I would argue is generally better if you can get multiplier going.
hexed shore
But do you crit often enough to take deadly strike over heartbreak strike?
waxen juniper
Yep. That is Artemis' dash core boon
sterile totem
then I personally go for as. much Chaos as possible, that’s how I get 1000s
manic bobcat
But do you crit often enough to take deadly strike over heartbreak strike?
That's what I am saying. You need extra modifiers to make Deadly Strike better than Heartbreak Strike
A single Deadly Strike < Heartbreak Strike, so take Heartbreak
But in general you can find Hunter Dash Chaos boons also, which makes Deadly Strike scales better.
hexed shore
What can you do to increase crit chance? Pressure points hunter's mark?
manic bobcat
Yeah that's about it.
waxen juniper
Clean Kill is exactly that
hexed shore
Clean kill is pretty small modifier I thought
Does clean kill apply on top of the crit damage or before multiplying for crit?
waxen juniper
I imagine on top, but don't quote me on that
hexed shore
The way it reads it sounds like its on top
The base damage of a fully upgraded hestia first shot is 25 right?
waxen juniper
No... 125
hexed shore
Oh what
waxen juniper
It's very strong!
hexed shore
Oh it's not percentage
waxen juniper
Right!?
tepid pulsar
hi
hexed shore
I get it now
tepid pulsar
question about the mirror of the night
hexed shore
It all makes sense to me
manic bobcat
Second highest base damage in the game lol
tepid pulsar
I can swap skills right?
hexed shore
My eyes have been opened
tepid pulsar
I can have all skills active?
waxen juniper
question about the mirror of the night
Yes, but not during a run
hexed shore
Yea you can swap them anytime
manic bobcat
I can have all skills active?
Can you elaborate?
hexed shore
You can't have all active
manic bobcat
What do you mean by skills?
hexed shore
Only the displayed skill is active
tepid pulsar
there red color skills and green
waxen juniper
You can only swap them when you are at the mirror
hexed shore
So if you activate infernal soul you can't activate stygian soul
hexed shore
Have to pick one or the other for each category
waxen juniper
You can have a red ability and a yello ability relating to a different skill.
tepid pulsar
gotcha
manic bobcat
i can have the red and green active at the same time?
You can have a mix between red and green, but yeah, only one or the other for each category.
waxen juniper
Correct
tepid pulsar
i unlocked a list on my room recently
hexed shore
Do wall scrolls replace each other btw?
tepid pulsar
and got a bunch of rewards
manic bobcat
Do wall scrolls replace each other btw?
nah, get all of them
waxen juniper
Do wall scrolls replace each other btw?
What do you mean?
manic bobcat
||Aphrodite , Achilles|| bedroom scrolls I bet
waxen juniper
Does clean kill apply on top of the crit damage or before multiplying for crit?
Does anyone know the answer to this question?
manic bobcat
Buy all of them xD
waxen juniper
Ah, those ones
waxen juniper
It says 1.8 to 2.0
tepid pulsar
Guys where i can see a tier list of the aspects
hexed shore
What
tepid pulsar
I don't want to waste my titan blood
hexed shore
I thought 200% meant a 10 damage move would deal 30 damage
tepid pulsar
I mean I am going to use the spear and a herd the damage scale better with achiles
manic bobcat
Guys where i can see a tier list of the aspects
Nowhere. Everytime someone posts a tier list here, it got tear to shred.
manic bobcat
Do you like spear?
manic bobcat
All aspects are viable. You can get very very far with any of them
tepid pulsar
I know what are u going to say
manic bobcat
If you tell us what weapon you like though
tepid pulsar
Al right them.
manic bobcat
I can recommend some easier weapon to master.
manic bobcat
Ok. So Hera Bow just need 2 blood to be powerful
tepid pulsar
I can use any weapon, I mean I play monster hunter
hexed shore
You can beat the game with any weapon but which one do you like
tepid pulsar
Variety is key to not get bored
waxen juniper
I feel aspect of Zeus is a strong weapon that doesn't take too much experience to get good with
tepid pulsar
Zeus?
hexed shore
Can agree with that Zeus shield can get super stupid
tepid pulsar
What weapon has it?
waxen juniper
Shield
tepid pulsar
I don't have any of the secret aspects unlocked
manic bobcat
Hera Bow, Nemesis Blade, ||Exacalibur||, Zag Bow, Zag Fists are powerful without the need for much blood
hexed shore
It's not secret
waxen juniper
It is not a secret aspect
tepid pulsar
I am trying to unlock the 4th aspect of every weapon
I heard they are pretty broken
hexed shore
I thought 200% meant a 10 damage move would deal 30 damage
So can anyone confirm if this is correct?
The 4th aspects aren't necessarily broken
tepid pulsar
hmm
hexed shore
Like all the aspects are really good in general
manic bobcat
I heard they are pretty broken
Most weapons are equally powerful. Hidden aspects are just more gimmicky than others.
tepid pulsar
Well but is still worthy to unlock then right?
hexed shore
The hidden ones just usually have special moveset or something
It's worth unlocking in the sense that they offer a different playstyle and it's fun to try different playstyle
So really all aspects are worth unlocking
tepid pulsar
btw u guys bother to farm darkness or only Gems are worth farming?
hexed shore
I'd go for darkness over gems anyday
manic bobcat
So can anyone confirm if this is correct?
Not sure what you mean by 200%. Because +200% is very different than 200% total.
But take Epic Heartbreak Strike which gives you the ideal +100% damage, for example, a 10 damage move would do 20 damage.
tepid pulsar
All right
manic bobcat
Yeah darkness > gem for gameplay purposes.
hexed shore
Blue room priority for me is key>darkness>gem
manic bobcat
Gem are useful but mostly for comestics.
waxen juniper
Gems are a great way to gather ambrosia/diamonds/titan blood with the trade broker
hexed shore
Yea but darkness is hp and keys are dices
waxen juniper
The sooner you get the gems in bosses upgrade, the better
Oh yes. If that is what you are referring to, darkness and keys are better
tepid pulsar
i got all keys
hexed shore
Early game darkness to unlock the mirror
tepid pulsar
I am on like my 30 or something run
waxen juniper
i got all keys
If ya don't need them anymore, sell em
hexed shore
Yea keys sell for nectar and nectar turns into ambrosia
waxen juniper
Well, nectar turns into diamonds and 2 diamonds turn to ambrosia
tepid pulsar
what's you guys opinion about "chaos"?
plush citrus
yeah esp early on, best time to take them
waxen juniper
Always take chaos room
Unless you will literally die since your health is too low. Don't take them then :p
waxen juniper
I will say, if an Erebus gate is with a Chaos room, It's quite the toss up
hexed shore
My heat is too low to enter erebus rooms
I've got like 5 heat on one or two weapons I think
waxen juniper
I encourage you to at least put it on 5. They are very worth it!
hexed shore
I mean why would put the heat above what I need to
waxen juniper
Erebus gates!
hexed shore
I mean it's not really that important to my run at heat that low though
waxen juniper
Taking a erebus gate in tartarus instead of chaos made a huge impact on my run. It may be a defining part of that very run
carmine ravine
i mean erebus is just a butterfly room
waxen juniper
With added benefits
plush citrus
i gotta say, whoever recommended that players who think they're bad at the game try to get the achievement with the pierced butterfly to learn how to better manage damage, was really onto something
waxen juniper
It's a good way to force skill
plush citrus
made me actually think strategically for once about my weapons, choices, positioning - v worthwhile
i mean i'm still firmly in the 'bad at the game' category but i feel like i learned something so, it was good
waxen juniper
Baby steps :)
One thing I also recommend is Shattered Shackles in the first biome. No matter what, it will always give you an edge until you have a build going. Then when that happens you can just take it out :)
plush citrus
nice!! thanks for that, i never thought about it as something i could do for just tartarus but i'm gonna give it a crack next run
rancid berry
hello hello my fine hell escapees, I have just stolen a controller and no longer know how to play since I have always been m+k
brisk trail
Shackle is strong, but you'd want to secure your build early on
Unless you are at very high heat imo where builds get kinda fuzzy
rancid berry
what binds do I do?
waxen juniper
Shackle is strong, but you'd want to secure your build early on
But it is also unlikely to get 3 decent core boons in tartarus. So at least one of your attacks is getting boosted
brisk trail
sadly i am on kmb, gonna wait for a controller person to come by
But you'd want to secure a certain god/boon early, which a god keepsake does
e.g. I know I want to get aphrodite attack on chiron
or artemis attack on hades spear
waxen juniper
what binds do I do?
The way it is set up is perfect honestly
Ah, I can see that dio. I like tongo where the wind takes me first so every run feels different :)
waxen juniper
What do you mean?
waxen juniper
After Party/Positive Outlook can be nice for that problem
Dionysus, Aphrodite, Demeter and Poseidon all have some sort of healing benefits
waxen juniper
Fists are fun
waxen juniper
quite heavily and need healing
Also infernal troves and well of charons usually help with sustainability
plain skiff
@tepid pulsar Athenas Boons are pretty good for sustainability
waxen juniper
That is true. Deflect is a very solid defense option
plain skiff
i personally think the Dash and Attack Athena Boons are the best but im no expert
hazy heath
Has there been any discussion of maybe possible future DLC, paid or free?
brisk trail
nope
tepid pulsar
this game was a steal
hazy heath
Has any of SM's games gotten DLC?
tepid pulsar
I got for 19.99$
just like hollow knight an shovel knight
I feel I scammed the developer
Is usually the other way around
plush citrus
this game was a steal
i agree
i've bought it for someone else cause i feel like it's the cheapest & most enjoyable 100hrs i've had in a long time
humble patrol
is it sad i die more to the furies than theseus and asterius
i think Tisiphone is the easiest of the three
then meg
then alecto is the hardest for me cuz traps
i find theseus and asterius easy
waxen juniper
Tisiphone is quite hard on Extreme Measures
humble patrol
yea
i play with extreme measures on
her little blade is annoying
how do i get extreme measures 4?
brisk trail
buy it from contractor
waxen juniper
Have to get from contractor
frigid abyss
just had the funniest shield run
tepid pulsar
Do I ever get to meet the narrator?
waxen juniper
Do tell
frigid abyss
so was using shield, chill on attack, with the decay boon
i literally just jousted final boss back and forth until they decayed all the way
frigid abyss
beautiful
humble patrol
and i had my blades with pull in and increased blade size
so they couldnt get away haha
frigid abyss
that's incredible
frigid abyss
i also got the aphrodite legendary boon which was fun but i barely used it because i was too busy letting everyone decay
humble patrol
those did more damage than his call
frigid abyss
legend
humble patrol
i was like LOL no point using his call then if im doing more by dashing
and nice
i was able one run to get demeter and athena duo boon
that saved my ass cuz i had no death defiances for final boss
thats the one where if u have zero death defiances, it heals you slowly
tepid pulsar
man i hate the 3rd boss fight
humble patrol
theseus for the past five runs has been really depressed
i was like... baby no
pls dont be sad
hexed shore
I always take dio's fountain heal boon
humble patrol
he keeps thinking im trying to steal asterius from him
hexed shore
Idk how much hp I might have before final boss
humble patrol
one time during his depression bout, he didnt even TALk
hexed shore
But man does it feel good when that satyr fountain puts me to full
humble patrol
i was like ... theseus... not talking... nooo
yea true
dio boon for health is good
especially early on for damage boost
waxen juniper
Wow! ||Skelly|| carried Lernie on EM2 :D
tepid pulsar
Imagine being good at anything besides games
hexed shore
You're good at self depriciation clearly
frigid abyss
i did hydra with 6hp earlier
hexed shore
There's a fountain after hydra
hexed shore
Oh that's what you meant
runic agate
h i
hexed shore
Well I just top it off at the shop
distant night
strong drink is the way
hexed shore
^
frigid abyss
i mean sometimes it doesnt have the thing 😩
hexed shore
I really can't justify one room for after party
frigid abyss
idr what strong drink is i havent been taking lots of dio boons
distant night
but after party especially epic can give some insane bonus health
hexed shore
Strong drink is fountain full hp
distant night
^
frigid abyss
yeah after party's bonus health is insane
distant night
the mvp of all health dio boons
hexed shore
Shop has either hp or darkness
frigid abyss
implying i see fountains 😩
hexed shore
Need only one
distant night
implying i see fountains 😩
the one after stage tho
hexed shore
Only rooms where I need healing mid floor is elysium
Everything under just dies to stunlock
distant night
havent seen a tart fountain in ages.....
frigid abyss
maybe that works better if ur running higher heat or smth but ive found it to be kinda pointless
distant night
personally i have the biggest issue retaining health when fighting stage bosses cause i go berserk on them
hexed shore
Wait what happens if I edit in bad language
brisk trail
imagine healing at all in higher heat
hexed shore
I guess the bot won't censor that
distant night
so knowing i get all my 320hp back even if they got me to 50 is sexy
frigid abyss
i mean...you gotta between stages...right
frigid abyss
i mean maybe if i was better at elysium i wouldnt like after party as much but i am simply terrible at it
distant night
after party only feels good when it's epix and your base hp is nice
distant night
my standpoint is from somebody who rarely ever loses hp other than in boss rooms
hexed shore
To be fair sometimes satyr rooms do you dirty
distant night
everything is muscle memory
frigid abyss
i have 100 and i am terrible at elysium still...when do u become good
hexed shore
Just keep playing
sterile garnet
the duo boon between artemis and demeter makes me wonder if there is any fan art of her holding a gun
hexed shore
You'll start reading elysium enemy patterns soon
distant night
tbf what exactly pains you in elysium?
hexed shore
Shield guy was a nightmare to me at first
distant night
the shield guys?
brisk trail
it's ok, im a hundred something as well and i hate elysium to bits
frigid abyss
i think i hate arrow guys the most
hexed shore
Charge straight at arrow guys
frigid abyss
they always get me
distant night
stun them alot
hexed shore
They're the weakest ones
sterile garnet
traps in elysium suck 😔
distant night
they will run before trying to hit you again
hexed shore
Literally just bully the arrow guys
distant night
continuously hit them
hexed shore
Attack them
distant night
not with rail sadly
hexed shore
If you're too far the arrow won't reach
frigid abyss
half the time that doesn't work they just attack me anyway
distant night
rail sucks for stunning
hexed shore
And if you're close delete him instead
tepid pulsar
I die yet again at hades
hexed shore
Well if they have shield it won't work
brisk trail
frigid abyss
you'll get it razor
tepid pulsar
I am not even using heat
hexed shore
But also you should be able to take off shield soon enough
distant night
well then hide until the pink cross isgone
frigid abyss
do you mean armor
hexed shore
Yea
frigid abyss
idk i just always get nabbed by them when there's like 40 of them
hexed shore
Use casts
distant night
there are at max 7 of them
frigid abyss
ok nevermind
distant night
most of the time 2-4 are grouped up
hexed shore
They don't even move from the position so just nuke them out
frigid abyss
elysium is great and i have 0 problems with it
distant night
:/
distant night
thats a lie and we're trying to help but ok
brisk trail
fake it till it's true
distant night
sigh
distant night
i just was wondering if you have the pact thing for more enemies
frigid abyss
no just more health
distant night
it's late and i cant think sueme
brisk trail
do not take that
hexed shore
Oh more health can be annoying
brisk trail
that's not a recommended start to heat
frigid abyss
i've been having no problems with more health thus far
distant night
gotta agree
hexed shore
For low heat I like extreme measures and benefits package
brisk trail
extreme measures, tight deadline, middle management
are very good pacts to start with
frigid abyss
ok but
hexed shore
Does more hp also affect the amount of armor?
brisk trail
there's just easier ones to start with
i assume so?
i have never taken it and i am at 45 heat
frigid abyss
extreme measures sounds an awful way to start
hexed shore
If it does then that might explain why you're having a tough time with exalted
Extreme measures is fun
distant night
EM1 and em2 are basically the same
hexed shore
And it does nothing really up to em2
brisk trail
extreme measures is good since it only changes bosses
hexed shore
Em3 is the only one where you feel any difference at all
frigid abyss
yeah but i have the most trouble with bosses
brisk trail
that's fair, td depends on how fast you usually are
distant night
TD1 sounds like alot but if you get continously under 30 runs you're so safe
hexed shore
Em1 only makes meg harder
distant night
furies*
weary widget
||Tight deadline|| is free depending on how fast you naturally are
hexed shore
The rest of the bosses are the exact same
frigid abyss
TD1 sounds like alot but if you get continously under 30 runs you're so safe
i have not had a single under 30 run so
distant night
i couldnt know that
frigid abyss
im not saying you should know but it seems like a weird place to start heat?
weary widget
It's the free-est heat if youre fast though
Literally doesnt make gameplay more difficult
brisk trail
yeah, although more or less anything goes at low heat really
but some pacts are just easier
distant night
except HS
weary widget
As opposed to High Security or something which just gets you one-shotted by urns
brisk trail
HS is the worst single point value ever
distant night
HS deserves more than just one heat point ffs
waxen juniper
Yep. TD 1 is quite easy.
distant night
HS is such a nightmare
brisk trail
i still get surprised when i have HS and fall into magma
frigid abyss
i really dont think i could do TD lol
distant night
HS and em2 makes you just cri
brisk trail
look at my health getting deleted
pretty much all my runs are sub 20 with a couple exceptions so I run TD2 almost all the time
even if I'm playing casually lol
frigid abyss
final boss takes like +10 mins
hexed shore
I think amping up em is very safe
brisk trail
that's fair, just go with what you're comfy with then
hexed shore
Benefits package is prolly not good but it makes the rooms more fun so if I need a number em can't provide I dip one point into it
distant night
final boss takes like +10 mins
may i ask what builds you usually go for?
pliant sparrow
pretty much all my runs are sub 20 with a couple exceptions so I run TD2 almost ...
if sub 20 why no td3?
frigid abyss
idk i've been running all the weapons interchangeably
weary widget
if sub 20 why no td3?
Because 5 sack will end you
hexed shore
Do you have all mirror upgrades puff
weary widget
If youre going at a leisurely pace
weary widget
Bottom 4 greens are good, with legacy vs pride being competitive
distant night
idk i've been running all the weapons interchangeably
and what kinda boons for damage usually? athena, arty, aphro, ares?
frigid abyss
yeah i think i use the bottom two
hexed shore
Changing to ruthless reflex helped me learn to time my dashes if you haven't tried that btw
frigid abyss
aphro on attack usually? it depends on the weapon tho
hexed shore
Like that was huge change in my gameplay, I used to just spam dash with dash reflex
frigid abyss
if you can hit more and make it stack with something like demeter/dio that's good as well
brisk trail
if sub 20 why no td3?
so I have wiggle room in case I get a 5 sack or something
the other day I was grinding keepsakes and forgot that I had TD3 on
that was a very stressful final boss fight LOL
hexed shore
How do you grind keepsakes, extra Styx rooms?
brisk trail
ye
hexed shore
Rip
brisk trail
I just take it for the whole run
frigid abyss
ouch
hexed shore
Doesn't it count one entire tunnel as one encounter for keepsake
brisk trail
no
waxen juniper
I just got the ||surface legendary fish|| :D
brisk trail
very nice
hexed shore
One thing I can be sure about is I'll never git gud at fishing
waxen juniper
Only took over 100 runs 😆
brisk trail
move over ||dad|| i wanna fish
distant night
Doesn't it count one entire tunnel as one encounter for keepsake
only for butterfly and plume
hexed shore
Man can you imagine plume counting every room
weary widget
Keep in mind:
- Max number of bobs is 4, so if by 3 it hasn't triggered you know the next one is it
- On Switch, the rumble is different when it finally triggers
- The sound is different - people tend to react faster to sound cues, so squint or something so that you're not anchored 100% on visual queues
distant night
sub 1 sec
brisk trail
have you seen 100% dodge
brisk trail
distant night
love that so much
frigid abyss
||if you got 10 wins and never got fishing on the surface do u simply never get the fish||
brisk trail
no, it will spawn in the final area
frigid abyss
cool
weary widget
Just RNG
frigid abyss
i dont think i have a single rare fish 😩
fishing is the hardest part of the game actually
distant night
EM6, you fight poseidon and he summons fishes to slap you back into styx
plush citrus
hades is a fishing simulator with some surprisingly indepth sidequests
the only rare fish i'm missing is the surface one now btw 😔
hexed shore
After 10 clears zag races to surface to fish
frigid abyss
new save file game where you reset any time you dont get a fishing point in ||greece||
plush citrus
all i can think is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4UcAJNuyy8
hexed shore
||Honestly I hate the narrative that he's running again and again to test the security lmao||
distant night
it's better than him still being a brat
hexed shore
It sounds so lame compared to why he was doing it earlier
plush citrus
||Honestly I hate the narrative that he's running again and again to test the se...
saaaaaaaaaame actually
it feels like an incredible 180
(though the above is probably a spoiler)
brisk trail
I actually like it a lot
plush citrus
||i used to rebel against my dad but now i live to work for him||
frigid abyss
i kinda like it but only if i think really hard about it
||he's the god of blood and he has to bleed for eternity battling his way out of the underworld and facing the god of death||
hexed shore
Idk it just removes all the gravity from the scenario for me
waxen juniper
Okay, I was wrong...||Skelly|| is quite good
hexed shore
Like there's no urgency or real reason to want to escape anymore
Just doing it cause why not
distant night
cause people like orpheus exist ;-;
frigid abyss
do it for him (orpheus)
distant night
stealing their waman and running charon's business into the ground
distant night
you cant die in the house of hades yet
hexed shore
I finished giving nectar to nyx before I started giving nectar to meg
Now I have full ambrosia on meg and nyx still won't ask for the favor
plush citrus
Like there's no urgency or real reason to want to escape anymore
(me, trying to work out where my swear was so I can make the same point again)
but yeah same, it's so odd too that when you start a run, sometimes you still get the same memories of dialogue from dad where he's said something horrible... and then you ||go out there and make sure he continues to perform his role in the underworld successfully|| hahaha
frigid abyss
yeah it is kinda alienating i agree
hexed shore
Ye you start the run being all bitter and edgy
End the run joking around and being buddy buddy with him like wut
distant night
feeling like a teenage brat again
frigid abyss
ive also noticed some weirdness because i maxed than before meg?
but that's pretty minor
hexed shore
It's just dialogue rng
frigid abyss
yeah 😩