h1-discussion

[tired sundial]

It burns thinking about it

[stark onyx]

lasting consequences 5, health items take your HP away

[lone sinew]

It's happening

[tired sundial]

Wat

[stark onyx]

svsnjfnsjdfc sorry i was memeing

[tired sundial]

Got me

How dare

[stark onyx]

dont worry its not real. yet

[lone sinew]

1 hit you lose

[tired sundial]

[Yet]

[stark onyx]

i am sorry i am too pwerful

[lone sinew]

1 hit you lose with timer

[tired sundial]

Or no life just a timer

Hp is time

[lone sinew]

oh no the end of the world... it's coming

lol

EM4 summons the Olymbians

[tired sundial]

EM 8 is titans

[lone sinew]

normal encounters become bosses

[stark onyx]

i think we should stop giving supergiant ideas

[tired sundial]

Bosses are eldritch abominations instead

[lone sinew]

if out of all the ideas in this server supergiant gets our crazy heat ideas im done

[stark onyx]

forced overtime but it goes higher

[tired sundial]

We brought it on ourselves

[stark onyx]

when you enter a chamber the foes lunge at you and you die

you have to fight patroclus to get your death defiances back

[lone sinew]

Hades but you are actually Hades waiting for Zagreus to come while you are fishing

[tired sundial]

At this point it's i wanna be the guy but hades

That said I love fishing so bring it on

[lone sinew]

yeah it's gonna be a fishing simulator with a random boss fight which is your son once in a while and a Charon trip if you lose. Also if you lose you gotta do some paper work and then make fun of the person who beated you

[tired sundial]

Guess I'm doing a Poseidon run curse you

[lone sinew]

lol

[stark onyx]

the worst challenge of them all....paperwork [ shudders ]

[lone sinew]

the truth behind this game Hades is actually glad Zagreus tries to escape so he has a reason to escape from all this work and have some fun

[tired sundial]

Bureaucracy simulator. Kafka's heat mode.

[lone sinew]

but as we all know there is no escape

[humble patrol]

I really like Ares dash now

Does so much damage on characters that don’t teleport/jump around

[stark onyx]

its fun!! basically a second source of damage

[wide solar]

Finally I have unlocked so I can use the titan blood on my weapons. Which one is the best for the bow? Suggestions?

[hushed pumice]

They're all good

Rama is probably best

[stark onyx]

i am not very well versed in the bow but i have heard ppl singing chiron aspect praises

all of them are great though, even zag's

also uhh this is more of a personal thing but while i enjoy ||gilgamesh aspect|| i really dont like how maim synergizes with such a close quarters weapon, which is its downside i suppose

the dashes are great though

[hushed pumice]

Chiron is a lot of fun but loses some luster as you reach high heat, meanwhile Rama is always a monster

I enjoy Zag bow for the crits. Hera is fun because it's unique

[brisk trail]

I think that bow has the most consistently bangin aspects

fists has 2 that are super good and enjoyable

in terms of how much I like every aspect, sword > bow > fists > shield > rail > spear

though the one aspect I like on spear/rail I Really like

[weary widget]

And which spear / rail aspects are those?

[brisk trail]

hades/hestia

[quaint cape]

Hey, I'm curious, Does Ares' Blood Frenzy work with Stubborn defiance, or is it just Death defiance?

[hushed pumice]

Must be both

Subject of Spear, I think Achilles is the best

It's pretty fast for a Spear

And enables insane cast builds

[hexed shore]

When people go for cast builds which cast are you trying to pick up in general

[weary widget]

Depends on the weapon

[hexed shore]

With spear

[weary widget]

Zeus for speedruns iirc
Poseidon can be good too
Ive liked Phalanx as well

I've fallen out of love with Achilles in high heat due to my casts getting stuck for too long - maybe hunting blades would be a decent workaround

[molten nymph]

i think hunting blades is the one people go for the most?

i like dio better though

[unborn anchor]

Dionysius with Demeter duo is great.

hit scan bombs

[molten nymph]

yeah

biggest reason i like dio the best is it doesn't feel bad even if you don't get the duo

and have two viable duos

[weary widget]

I only really aim for Dio cast on 4th shield or lazy Hera

[molten nymph]

hunting blades/crystal beam feel really bad before you get the duo

ofc, the pros of both is you have artemis in the pool so you have good attack

[hexed shore]

What Artemis boons are highly valued, I find it hard to pull off on atk and special unless I have some other quick way to priv Stat like aphro cast or something

[dull niche]

I just run FF when I use artemis honestly

[hexed shore]

FF?

[molten nymph]

family favorite

[hexed shore]

Oh

[dull niche]

yeah that

[molten nymph]

you want artemis in your main damage source most of the time

for achilles you want it on attack

[weary widget]

FF is more consistent and generally useful anyay

[molten nymph]

because crit triples the damage you deal, while other boons only adds flat percentage of your base damage

[hushed pumice]

I like to go for HB

But I wouldn't mind lucking into Ice Wine either

Ice Wine and Scint Feast

Blizzard Shot does a lot of work too, need to experiment with it more

Flood Shot with Blizzard and Mirage is absolute murder

Can also potentially get sea storm with that

[open zealot]

does electric shot bouncing count for exit wound damage?

[brisk trail]

whichever enemy it sticks into

electric shot is one of the prereqs for exit wounds so it does work w it

[brisk trail]

hermes's hair looks long-ish in the cross saves announcement poster

it cute

[bitter sand]

I've been playing hades at night and all of those "night not morning" jokes landed pretty well 😄

[sour vigil]

just my luck... https://i.imgur.com/FDd6So7.jpg

(Was looking for Crystal Clarity, which I never got)

[stark onyx]

hunting blades is such an insane skill

[tired sundial]

A trio of duos

[lone sinew]

I know im playing achilles hunting blade and mirage shot rn but I didn't manage to get any Ares vortex+ dmg boons so it's not that strong but still

[stark onyx]

NOOOOO

but yeah its still

ugh

uits amazing

[hushed pumice]

I think Slicing Shot is the strongest overall by a large margin for dps

For casts

[lone sinew]

lol daddy still cried these 2 duo's with achilles were enough

[hushed pumice]

And it's great on Achilles especially since you get just pick them up when they're done

[frigid abyss]

finally saw the credits 😤 only took 90 hours

[brisk trail]

nice, jg

[prisma wind]

Congrats!

[grand inlet]

Time to get started!

[austere terrace]

Hey everyone! I just bought hades on the egs (for the second time, first on switch hehe)
Does anyone know if the game has an unlocked framerate on pc? I got a 144hz monitor and would love to see it moving hella smooth!

[timid compass]

hades on the eggs...

[cobalt haven]

egg hades

[austere terrace]

eggic game store

[sour vigil]

I've seen YT videos with it running at high FPS.

According to Steam's overlay.

[austere terrace]

youtube caps at 60 tho

oh nice

[sour vigil]

Steam puts the number in the corner.

If you ask it to.

[low nexus]

there is a cap of 60

i can see using geforce

61*

[sour vigil]

Guess I hallucinated, then.

[austere terrace]

aww...

[low nexus]

its sad

its still good though

[sour vigil]

Meanwhile I've literally never seen anything above 90fps in my life...

But going from 60 to 30 is really rough so I imagine if you're used to 144 it might be difficult to switch to 60.

[low nexus]

youve seen 90fps

[sour vigil]

My Oculus runs at 90, but most games and stuff are 72.

[low nexus]

you have an oculus?

[sour vigil]

Yeah, the Quest 2.

[low nexus]

cool

[sour vigil]

It's fun, but not as fun as Hades.

[low nexus]

i think poseidon is good

[sour vigil]

he seems like a nice guy

[low nexus]

his boons

[distant night]

broseidon

[sour vigil]

Oh yeah his boons are nice too.

[low nexus]

and yes poseidon is a homie

[distant night]

totally not known for being the thorn in everyone's eyes in every myth he gets mentioned

but i gotta agree, he da bro

[sour vigil]

I think he and Zeus are similar in the way their boons interact, adding effects and then amplifying them in interesting ways.

So that if you stack a bunch of boons of just that one god, you can become... uh, a god.

[distant night]

poetry

the way you expressed it is pure chefs kiss

[sour vigil]

Thanks 🙂

It wasn't the first draft, I'll be honest.

[distant night]

ohh you got a secret editor for your messages?

[sour vigil]

I outsourced to a copywriter and polished it up myself.

[distant night]

or are you both poet and editor of your critically aclaimed work?

[sour vigil]

Finishing touches, you know. That's what really makes things shine.

[distant night]

a diamond is an ugly rock until polished, i know what you mean

[sour vigil]

I see you've also hired a copywriter!

[low nexus]

i just got an diamnd

diamond

[cobalt haven]

huh i got a waking phrase unintentionally

[low nexus]

cool

just got exclusive access a duo boon that makes any boon epic or higher

[sour vigil]

Nice 😄

Hope you got it early.

[low nexus]

nope

last bf boss

still gonna be good tho for styx

[sour vigil]

Godspeed

(Pun intended)

[low nexus]

dude

i just got \

sea storm with tempest stike

sea storm does 40 dmg per kb i do

so every hit i do a additonal 40 dmg

[timid compass]

I just got jumpscared by an armored chariot with bonus speed

he spawned right in front of me and I barely had a second to react

THEY'RE TOO FAST

[brisk trail]

mmmmm yes teleporting speeding chariots and flamewheels

my favorite

[burnt breach]

@distant night So have you tried the commendations tab?

[distant night]

havent gotten to try any mods yet :c

but i will probably tomorrow

[burnt breach]

[strange meteor]

Does anyone know what sound effect dionysius uses in the background

The people laughing one

[hidden brook]

💀 i have been trying to get Hunter Instinct for what feels like 40 hours and I still cannot get it, is there a weird requirement for it?

aside from just the crit stuff in the boon list

[timid compass]

Do peoples still keep the butterfly in high heat runs or does the game become too chaotic to ever hope getting a good amount of stacks?

[runic agate]

Just got the epilogue hell yea

[burnt breach]

https://imgur.com/ivukX6c

[hidden brook]

Yeah ik those

[timid compass]

you might wanna get a god call I guess

[hidden brook]

but it still never ever shows up

[runic agate]

I swear I've had the boon twice in a run I sold it then the next arte boon had it and I was like ._.

[timid compass]

The exalted? more like the exhausted! WHEEEEEZE

[timid compass]

I was supposed to be doing an attack build
but it accidentally turned into a cast build
I can now rapidly fire 5 festive smoke clouds who each have a weaker copy of themselve and since I'm using the aspect of talos enemies will take 30% bonus dmg from all that

[runic hamlet]

Can't sleep before I know, what's the skills on zagreus clothes come from?

[carmine ravine]

what clothes

[timid compass]

I don't understand the question

[runic agate]

???

[flat vapor]

i imagine they mean the skulls on his clothes

which, i don't think they ever say where they come from

[timid compass]

secret lore: the cerberus we know is actually cerberus 2
he wears the skulls of cerberus 1 on his shoulder

source: trust me

source: trust me

(either that or it's just a prop)

[distant night]

didnt hades have some dialogue about ||the skulls belonging to titans?||

[hexed shore]

That's the skull on his shoulder

Not zag's shoulder

[tame drum]

Are people currently watching Curio's stream of Hades Stream For Hope? TheymerSophie?

[quick raft]

couldnt cerberus be reborn somehow

maybe he died and zagreus brought him back

him being the god of rebirth and all

[true bridge]

is there anywhere I can give suggestions towards the devs?

[quick raft]

ooh im curious what are you going to suggest

[true bridge]

I have some minor quality of life and UI ideas that could be really good

one second

[hexed shore]

Wait is zag God of rebirth?

In the game?

[narrow rampart]

I think Achiles says he might be the god of blood

but noone knows

[hexed shore]

He doesn't seem to have any godly powers though other than burning feet

[narrow rampart]

i think he inherited that from Hades

[hexed shore]

God of footprints

[narrow rampart]

well he's immortal

[hexed shore]

Sure he's a God, I'm not arguing that

[true bridge]

the first thing is regarding an "enemy pointer" that would direct you at off-screen enemies (this is such a pain in asphodel).
the second thing is about how the resource director ranks are too small to be seen, the Icons are too detailed to be just a tiny badge on screen (maybe something that restyles the health-bar entirely, like a different colour for the hp for example, a bigger icon or in the very least a more visible badge on the boons screen).
the third thing is probably a bit of a stretch, but lasting consequences should be worth more heat.
and the last thing is: it is too hard to gift both Patroclos and Euridice with ambrosia after they are with their partners (they have to be alone, which NEVER happens to me)

[true bridge]

here

[narrow rampart]

hmm, god of escape maybe?

[hexed shore]

But does he have any certain thing or domain he has power over

[true bridge]

maybe the infernal arms?

[narrow rampart]

god of sass

[hexed shore]

True it seems like he does have a rather unique trait of being accepted by all of the infernal arms

[narrow rampart]

god of arms?

[true bridge]

the worse case scenario is that he's Dionysus

[quick raft]

https://greekmythology.wikia.org/wiki/Zagreus

[hexed shore]

I mean we're not talking about zag from the mythology

[narrow rampart]

god of arguing with your dad

[quick raft]

the fact that he's dionysus is the widely regarded one

[hexed shore]

It's important to seperate the zag from mythology from the zagreus ingame

[true bridge]

btw, what do you think about the suggestions?

[narrow rampart]

hehe

blood for the zagreus

i mean ingame he and dionysus came up with that as a joke

[hexed shore]

As far as the game is concerned, his association with dionysus seems to be a prank

[narrow rampart]

so ingame he is defintiely not dionysus

[quick raft]

well i dont think the enemy pointer is a good idea because because numbskulls and flame wheels spawning in large amounts offscreen and that can cause clutter

I've never had issues with finding enemies when none are on-screen however i've had issues with screen clutter

[hexed shore]

I do enjoy clutter free screens, just so away with the entire hud ez

Ngl I've had problems finding enemies it's very annoying when you're on plume

Especially those stupid wave bois

[true bridge]

the wave makers and burn flingers hop aimlessly in big rooms
it's annoying

[quick raft]

loads of things are annoying

that doesnt make them bad game design

[true bridge]

agreed

[quick raft]

satyr sacks being rng is annoying

[hexed shore]

I don't think anyone called it bad game design?

[true bridge]

it's an inconvenience, that's all
it could be a part of the skill set, hunting the jumping bois
but it could also not be

[quick raft]

i think it also eliminates some gameplay variety

sometimes those wavyboyos flank you

on the other changes i cant offer an opinion since i dont think i've focused on relationships and other game mechanics enough yet

[hexed shore]

That's a good point so maybe an arrow could pop up when there's only one or two enemies remaining offscreen?

[brisk trail]

things that bother me:

• the little bomb dudes in tartarus running to a corner and making me play hide and seek
• pretty much every enemy in asphodel going offscreen, but especially the Hydra heads (especially especially when I'm not playing with sound)

offscreen splitters in elysium

an enemy pointer arrow would help a lot w that

[true bridge]

you forgot flame wheels

but there's already a fix to that tho

[quick raft]

this is a pretty good middle ground imo

[hexed shore]

Man the first time I saw flame wheels I panicked so hard

I was on malphon and went, well what do I do against that

[quick raft]

making hades easier could be controversial since dying is the main game mechanic

i dont get the hate around flame wheels

[hexed shore]

I don't hate them, I just didn't know how to deal with them

[true bridge]

don't
I repeat DO NOT MAKE THE GAME EASIER

[hexed shore]

Cause you know it was the first time I encountered them

[quick raft]

i usually just dash around like a madman until they kill themselves

[hexed shore]

I just dash straight into one now

[true bridge]

or use anything that inflicts rupture

[quick raft]

i dont play with the timer so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true bridge]

fair enough
me neither

[hexed shore]

I haven't reached the point where I've needed to use timer

[timid compass]

are there peoples that use ruthless reflexes instead of greater reflexes?
I REPEAT: are there peoples that hate themselves?

[true bridge]

yes

[hexed shore]

I uh

[true bridge]

gilgamesh

[hexed shore]

I never use greater reflex

[true bridge]

gilgamesh gives you +2 dashes

[timid compass]

I don't like ||gilgamesh||
the dash special hurts my fingers

[brisk trail]

too jank

[hexed shore]

If I turn on greater reflex I end up spamming it and missing my timing

[true bridge]

speaking of dash special, on level 4 or above, it does more damage with the aspect of demeter

[quick raft]

my playstyle is so inefficient

[true bridge]

oh

[brisk trail]

for flame wheels I just

use cast

[true bridge]

and I'm talking about min-maxing

[brisk trail]

or let them run into other enemies

[hexed shore]

Do flame wheels deal damage if you break them manually

Cause that's how I deal with them all the time

Actually never paid attention to it

[brisk trail]

they do 10 dmg

if you have deflect attack u can just go hog wild

[timid compass]

I don't know but I know that if you're too close from them when they run in a wall you'll still take dmg

Lost a heat room because of that

[hexed shore]

What is the point of the erebus gate btw

[timid compass]

double rewards

[brisk trail]

options

[true bridge]

onion

[timid compass]

[brisk trail]

[quick raft]

where does the erebus gate take me anyways

[hexed shore]

Their rewards always seem mediocre to me for extra difficulty

[timid compass]

erebus

[brisk trail]

erebus

[quick raft]

i've gone to erebus with ||charon||

[true bridge]

onionland

[hexed shore]

Wherebus

[winter harbor]

Yeah, too high risk

[brisk trail]

erebus gates in tartarus r so easy

[timid compass]

that's erebus 2

[brisk trail]

take out the crystals and witches at all cost

[hexed shore]

Man first time facing that guy was a nightmare

I was like I'll just deflect this loser

Mfw can't deflect his attacks

[brisk trail]

I fought him with 51 max hp and a 40 streak on the line

[azure oxide]

[brisk trail]

got hit twice :D

[true bridge]

buff erebus gates, they are lame

[quick raft]

his attacks are really telegraphed

but hot damn they hit like ford f150's

[brisk trail]

yeah

[hexed shore]

Yea second time I faced him I was on chiron, didn't take any damage

[true bridge]

upper body strength man

[hexed shore]

I was so happy thinking that the pass was permanent

NotLikeThis

[brisk trail]

I fight him pretty much any time I can

[hexed shore]

I'm still pretty afraid of him

[timid compass]

I only go in shops before bosses

not gonna run into him anytime soon

[hexed shore]

You can't start the fight before a boss

The bag only spawns in midshop

[quick raft]

is that right?

[timid compass]

yes

[hexed shore]

Yea p sure I read that somewhere

[quick raft]

i remember my first fight being right before asterius and theseus

[brisk trail]

one time he sent me to MM megagorgon when I beat him LOL

[hexed shore]

Mega gorgon is scary if you haven't got your ps active by then or deflect

[true bridge]

ps?

[quick raft]

i kinda hoped we'd rank up our way thru heroes in the theseus fight

[brisk trail]

who needs ps

[quick raft]

like the furies

[hexed shore]

Privileged status

[true bridge]

ah yes

[hexed shore]

Ps is life, I refuse to play without it

[brisk trail]

family favorite is better

[quick raft]

maybe perseus, then hercules or smth

[hexed shore]

What's the percentage boost on FF?

[brisk trail]

I prefer consistency and not having to think

like 25%

[timid compass]

YoU mEaN hUnKuLeS?!

[hexed shore]

I personally find ps more consistent and active way earlier

[brisk trail]

it's only 15% more additive damage

thats like a single pom

[quick raft]

theseus starts of funny then gets annoying

[true bridge]

btw, I'm still waiting for that 200% eclipse from chaos

[brisk trail]

it was the reverse for me arktos

[quick raft]

like hoooly crap dude do you have to give whole tirades before every fight

[hexed shore]

Sure but you can activate it right from the first boss

[timid compass]

Imagine not skipping theseus' dialogues

[brisk trail]

imagine skipping dialogue

[quick raft]

i can beat you in mere seconds so shut up

[hexed shore]

Skip thesaurus gang riseup

[true bridge]

hello asterius, other guy....

[quick raft]

i only listen to asterius

[timid compass]

ah yes
thesaurus

[quick raft]

asterius is CHAD

[hexed shore]

I don't like asterius either

He simps too hard

[timid compass]

"Foul mon-
n o"

[brisk trail]

I love how asterius is the brains and the brawn

[true bridge]

I wish there were an special dialogue for walking in with ariadne's yarn

[somber quest]

isnt there?

[hexed shore]

Idk I feel like asterius turns off his brain for theseus

[quick raft]

or like more than a set amount of daedalus' hammers

[hexed shore]

P sure there is @true bridge

[timid compass]

does the yarn only consumes after finding a boon?

[true bridge]

it does

[brisk trail]

there is one @griss

[true bridge]

am.... am I tripping?

[hexed shore]

Perhaps

[quick raft]

is is the asterius fight or the double fight

maybe it changes

[hexed shore]

Double fight

[true bridge]

well, time to fight machinegun boy again

[quick raft]

I'd really like to see asterius say something along the lines of: "Oh, your weapon gleams with the shine from the tools of the man that built my prison."

not always maybe

[hexed shore]

Why does asterius tell you about the gauntlets and not the lady from the third aspect btw

[timid compass]

demeter?

[hexed shore]

Yes

[timid compass]

the third aspect of what?

[hexed shore]

Malphon

[timid compass]

what does asterius has to do with demeter?

[hexed shore]

Idk that's my question lol

What does asterius have to do with malphon

[timid compass]

also if he's gonna react to demeter he might do it when you get one of her boons

[hexed shore]

Like all the other arms talk to people who have possessed them at some point

[timid compass]

well the fourth aspect of malphon ||are claws from a beast, and asterius is a beast himself||

[quick raft]

malphon is so funny to me

[hexed shore]

Lol that seems really vague

Especially cause demeter exists

[timid compass]

well by your logic zeus would tell you about the shield and poseidon about stygius

[quick raft]

the mental image of the friggin ice queen demeter bashing things to a pulp is incredible

[hexed shore]

I mean aspect of chaos is a thing

Not sure about why it isn't poseidon instead of nyx though

[timid compass]

same for exagryph, zeus never wielded it yet he's the one to tell you

(at least he never mentions wielding it)

[hexed shore]

Actually nevermind, nemesis is nyx's daughter so that still makes more sense

[timid compass]

(I think)

[hexed shore]

Sure exagryph is an exception cause none of those gods are there in the game

But like the relation between malphon and asterius and beast is just so weird if you compare even exagryph and Zeus

Malphon has literally nothing to do with asterius at all

[brisk trail]

Well, he is a beastman, ||like Enkidu.||

[hexed shore]

Zeus atleast fought alongside exagryph and is the brother of the goddesswho wielded exagryph

[quick raft]

zagreus and ||persephone|| having similar hairstyles is the most adorable thing

[brisk trail]

Literally the first thing I noticed about ||her|| design.

[hexed shore]

Yea schpoon, oolung already told me that but like isn't that really vague

[brisk trail]

The second was ||her dress has pockets.||

Not really?

||There's multiples lines about how Asterius' own situation parallels Gil's and Enkidu's.||

[timid compass]

^

[hexed shore]

Why would the infernal arms communicate with some dude just to tell it to pass along a message to me

[brisk trail]

||A beastman was defeated by an ancient king, before being offered a hand and being raised up as his equal.||

[quick raft]

well dang while checking that i accidentally got spoiled

[brisk trail]

Asterius or ||Enkidu?||

Sorry.

[quick raft]

hey its not your fault

[timid compass]

there doesn't need to be a logical pattern for who helps you awaken your weapons
it's whoever the fates decide to send to help you

[brisk trail]

Wait, ||if you've seen Persephone's hair you've seen her in the surface dress.||

[quick raft]

its whoever posted ||persephone| in underworld clothings ||fault

[brisk trail]

Ah.

[hexed shore]

Sure I'm just saying it's a very vague relation when the person who wielded the fists exists and is in contact with me

[timid compass]

that's actually a very good excuse if there's something illogic in the story
"the fates decided so"

[hexed shore]

Actually now I wanna see what exactly Achilles says when he reveals varatha's keyphrase

[brisk trail]

You shouldn't dodge the filter like that, it's likely to run you afoul of the mods.

[timid compass]

he sees the fates give him a little piece of paper and say "hey umm can you give this to zagreus for us? but don't say it's from us or I'll whoop yo cheeks"

[hexed shore]

Apparently he sees a vision that varatha showed him

[timid compass]

he just sees a meme that goes
Varatha The cooler varatha

and he wakes up like
"what in the goddamn"

[hexed shore]

Lmao clearly the cooler one is his own here

[timid compass]

In an alternate timeline zagreus talks to Achilles and he goes
"I've had a vision of your spear... and I heard words... it went:
.
.
.
Damn I forgot. Probably wasn't very important!"

[past arch]

I'm so glad Greg hyped the charity stream with theymerSophie ❤️

And is taking part of it I think?

It's a charity stream to support trans healthcare in the UK. 😄

[burnt breach]

Athena's boon infograph
https://imgur.com/9SEFwVF

Making infographs for each god + all duos, they will then be integrated into the codex boon list

[hexed shore]

What does the aspect have to do with flare?

[burnt breach]

You will only get flare if you have the aspect

[hexed shore]

Ooh did not know that

This is very helpful btw can't wait for you to finish

[burnt breach]

So far I made Zeus, Poseidon and Athena

[dawn slate]

hello

[burnt breach]

@hexed shore Poseidon
https://imgur.com/2OIIp0J

[hexed shore]

Will all of these be uploaded somewhere together or added to your mod?

[burnt breach]

I will add them to the hades wiki and include them in my mod

I added buttons to the boon list to display the graphs
https://imgur.com/R8hjnwA

[hexed shore]

At level 1 heightened security?

[unkempt sleet]

There is only one level of HS

[strange adder]

it's classed as a trap apparently

oops

[flat vapor]

@strange adder please spoiler tag that, specifically the name! 😅

[bitter sand]

where did you get these pictures?

[burnt breach]

I made them lol

[silent swift]

https://i.imgur.com/BGamLJm.gif

haha sword go brrrrr

[calm laurel]

sword go swoosh

[quick raft]

Whos making waves now boyos

[flat vapor]

zagreus, blender of the underworld...

[bright nymph]

i feel like any skill i had at hades has disappeared the past couple days

[frigid abyss]

woah whoever suggested to put cast on scroll and special on left click...huge brain

right click

[median holly]

That's a mood

[bright nymph]

cast on pressing down scroll wheel or like rotating scroll wheel?

[quick raft]

I think he means rotating

[frigid abyss]

for my mouse it doesn't make a difference

but i've been doing scroll

like the rotating one

[quick raft]

I tried kb+m for a while

Really didnt do it for me

Too many things to think about that my small brain cant handle

[bright nymph]

I will try that out, it seems better than q for special

i have not tried with controller yet

[frigid abyss]

i tried on my switch and immediately had to rebind everything

[quick raft]

Also not being able to fine-tune my dash seems difficult

[bright nymph]

dash is kinda odd, especially with the railgun

i feel like i should try with controller at some point because I kinda want to get hades on my switch now that cross save is a thing

[quick raft]

I’d definitely get it if i had a switch

It’d be fun to do a run on my morning commute

[median holly]

Honestly, the switch Pro Controller is just so much fun to use.

[bright nymph]

I’m also trying to figure out if I should turn aim assist back on, i like how much smoother it is but I feel like i’m missing some easy shots without it

[median holly]

@quick raft You mean it'd be fun to realize there is no escape.

:)

[manic bobcat]

I think aim assist on controller feels great.

Can't say much about aim assist on mkb though

[bright nymph]

having it on switch would be nice so my roommate doesn’t have to endure my loud ass laptop fans when i go back to school

[quick raft]

Ugh when ||hades|| first said that I was all “heck you dude i just escaped” but then i ||died||

[median holly]

F

[burnt breach]

does anyone know an active contributor of the hades wiki?

[frigid abyss]

aim assist feels ok on mkb but sometimes i feel like i miss stuff. i thought on controller it almost felt hyper corrective

[quick raft]

I’d miss everything without it on controller

[hexed shore]

Aim assist is so bad on eris

[quick raft]

Ooooh that might be why i didny even get to the sisters in my first eris run LMAO

[hexed shore]

It keeps locking onto my enemies

Just let me shoot myself in peace game

[frigid abyss]

just sometimes on mkb i feel like i am clicking directly on the thing and it still does not want me to aim there

[manic bobcat]

I think @deep pivot and @narrow hemlock did some wiki editing? Hope they don't mind the tags.

[burnt breach]

Thanks

[bright bay]

Can we discuss for a second how awesome it would be to have Hades's voice for our daily lives?

[quick raft]

“Foolish boy, you forgot to lock the door again.”

[bright bay]

Teller: "Welcome to Burger King, how may I help you?"
Hades: "Yes, can I have a number five with a Doctor Pepper, please?"

[quick raft]

Oh like thaat

[median holly]

PFFFT

LMAO

[bright bay]

No really, having his voice would be really cool

"Stupid boy, I said Doctor Pepper, not a Coke!"

[quick raft]

“You will be punished for this insolence in the deepest pits of tartarus!”

“Dude, i make minimum wage at a McDonalds I’m sure wherever that is is better.”

[hexed shore]

Would that your ice cream machine wasn't broken

[bright bay]

"I'm sorry sir, I'll get you that Doctor Pepper."

[quick raft]

Hades is so big though

He wouldnt even fit in a car

[manic bobcat]

maybe zag is small

[hexed shore]

Not with that attitude

[manic bobcat]

even Meg is a head taller than him

[bright bay]

"Zagreus, I cannot borrow your Geo Metro."

[manic bobcat]

actually, everyone is taller than zag

[quick raft]

Zag has been next to mortal shrines though

Even if he’s a tiny boi he’s average for a moral i’d imagine

[bright bay]

Isn't he like a teen/very young adult?"

[manic bobcat]

5ft4 60lbs soaking wet

[hexed shore]

What I'm getting from this conversation is that meg's got long legs ♥

[quick raft]

How old is zagreus anyways

I’d say about 17-20

[hexed shore]

He looks older but he looks younger in the painting

Like 23-24 in the dialogues but 17-18 in painting

[strange adder]

oh crap sorry

[quick raft]

Once cons start again zagreus is on my list of cosplays

[hexed shore]

Just cosplay dusa

[quick raft]

I’d actually have a reason to work out

[manic bobcat]

I can't find a source right now so this might be complete bogus, but I think one of the devs said that Zag and the other Gods are immortal, obviously.

But Zag is built to be in his twenties

[flat vapor]

it's fine! unfortunately i had to delete the message, but just remember for the future

[hexed shore]

Well yea they are

I always wondered how immortals age

[manic bobcat]

In term of physical or mental capacity.

[hexed shore]

Physical

Like Zeus looks older

[strange adder]

oh i see, i was scrolling up looking for it so i can edit it

[hexed shore]

Demeter too

But technically shouldn't they all look the same age

Cause they don't age

[quick raft]

They probably alter their own appearances

Zeus to look wiser and demeter to look scarier

[manic bobcat]

But then people like Hephaestus exists

[winter harbor]

yeah, the gods can shapeshift

[quick raft]

Zeus turns into a friggin goose

[winter harbor]

Well, hephaestus isn't exactly the god of beauty

[brisk trail]

dio's thighs

[hexed shore]

So zagreus chooses to look like a kid

[winter harbor]

Maybe he thought his appearance better epitomized the type of people who blacksmith

[manic bobcat]

Why wouldn't all the gods make themselves look like Aphrodite if they can change their appearances?

[quick raft]

He still bagged aphrodite tho

[manic bobcat]

Arranged marriage. Aphrodite and Ares pair is a thing.

[winter harbor]

Dude, Zeus turned himself into a golden shower once to impregnate a princess stuck in a tower

[brisk trail]

[quick raft]

I read that aphrodite was encapsulated by the beauty of his creations

[hexed shore]

If anyone had sent Zeus to horny jail, Greek mythology wouldn't exist

[manic bobcat]

I don't dispute this. My point is that some gods probably cannot shapeshift.

[winter harbor]

Or maybe their shapeshifting is more limited like size changes

[manic bobcat]

Like that one Netflix show called Son of Zeus.
Yeah, really narrow that down Netflix

[quick raft]

gasp gods have a leveling system

[frigid abyss]

i live to make my shade go

[quick raft]

Minor gods like tyche and nike cant do it but poseidon and the others can

Huh, what if first generation gods can do it but the later gens cant because of inbreeding

[hexed shore]

But isn't ||young hades>old hades|| power level wise, pact of punishment spoiler

[brisk trail]

What does actual greek myth have to do with this ?

[quick raft]

Nothing we’re just theorising

[narrow hemlock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/ixri6b/we_are_supergiant_games_creators_of_hades_pyre/g68tos4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

your source

[manic bobcat]

I think they are equal because the final boss said ||I used the same strength when I was fighting the titans and yet you still beat me|| when you clear the run with ||EM4||

[hexed shore]

Idk I was discussing purely with respect to the game, not actual myths

[manic bobcat]

TY. I knew I read it somewhere but couldn't find it in #ask-supergiant

[winter harbor]

In terms of power level, the greek gods > titans

[hexed shore]

||Yea doesn't that mean he was stronger back then but now he isn't||

[winter harbor]

But I'm not so sure about different generations of greek gods measuring up to each other

[brisk trail]

Yeah keep it to the game lore . I like the take on myth and the way it's modernised in games , shows , books and all that . Quite cool to see new gods in old pantheons , but the greek gods are overused

[manic bobcat]

I interpret that as the final boss, despite appearing different now, can still gather the same strength as before. So ||old Hades = young Hades||

Though this is putting too much spoilers out here if we continue this discussion

[frigid abyss]

||what does it mean when it says *death defier* on your security log||

[manic bobcat]

It means you ||used 6 Death Defiances||

You get that a lot if you use Stubborn Defiance.

[frigid abyss]

oh LMAO

😩

showing my true colors

[manic bobcat]

xD

It's called strategic suicide

[frigid abyss]

imagine being good at games 😩

[brisk trail]

meg has a really nice voice

[manic bobcat]

ASMR Meg

[frigid abyss]

it's true

[distant night]

megs voice actor has such a nice name too: Avalon Penrose

[frigid abyss]

wow that's a fantasy name right there

gonna steal that for dnd

[distant night]

ikr

[manic bobcat]

You are right lol

love that name

[brisk trail]

i want 30 minutes of meg telling zag to f off

[hexed shore]

Question, is it not possible to get duos in trials

[distant night]

trials?

duos dont appear in trials

[carmine ravine]

you can

i got it sometime

[distant night]

duos cant appear in trials tho

[hexed shore]

So if it's poseidon and aphordite have a trial, can I get duo for a different God or do they simply not appear

[distant night]

it has been said multiple times on the server tho

[hexed shore]

Alright debating if I should save my nectar to fish duos or just take the trial

[manic bobcat]

no

[distant night]

yeah the wiki site also says about trial of the gods that

Duo Boons which pair with the other god are not offered, although they may offer to exchange already obtained boons from the other god.

idk why it says "other god" since you never get duos no matter who you chose but eh

[hexed shore]

No I meant duo with a third God

[distant night]

wikis are weird

still nope

[hexed shore]

Alright the way it was worded on the wiki made me wonder if a third God's duo might appear

[distant night]

you can only get a duo if you meet the requirements from both gods; is one of them in the chamber, you still cant get it

yeah same, the wiki is worded weirdly

and there are some incorrect informations in it which may hype you up but then you're let down :D

[cobalt haven]

i stg why do i keep unintentionally get waking phrases

[distant night]

?

[hexed shore]

Does aphro poseidon duo apply to ||mom's keepsake|| credits spoiler

[molten nymph]

i dont think so

[bright nymph]

it does not

i did a run with it recently and was mildly disappointed

[narrow hemlock]

edited to hopefully cause less confusion

[cunning kettle]

Question, how fun is it to use the ||Aspect of Hera||?

Got two ||Titan's Blood|| and thinking of running it

[vestal kestrel]

How many escape attempts total is everyone one?

[wet nimbus]

I’m probably close to 30

It usually will be a while till you escape

It takes time and mastering the weapon

[open zealot]

how does huge catch work in temple styx? can i keep fishing there ?

[wet nimbus]

I don’t know sorry.

Check the wiki it will be your best bet.

[distant night]

you can fish inbetween tunnels, normally you might only get one fish but with the leg boon you might get two?

[open zealot]

yeah i did a quick check on wiki and couldnt find anything nor google

[frigid abyss]

i just did 100 i think

can't stop won't stop 😤

[manic bobcat]

450 something, but probably more than 500 because I play on different saves, and EA files also.

[distant night]

there is apparently a victory title about winning the game 500 times

i can feel the cramp

[frigid abyss]

😩

this game will single handedly give me carpal tunnel

[distant night]

i wonder if somebody played hades with only their voice

[winter harbor]

I’m at attempt 250 something

[distant night]

i'd rather scream myself hoarse at this point

playing bow with dashstrike strat with mouse hurts so bad

[manic bobcat]

The game would be like Dash strike dash strike dash strike dash strike

Dash strike dash strike dash strike

[distant night]

who said you have to say the words 👀

[frigid abyss]

wow that sounds awful

bow already makes my hand hurt

[distant night]

dash = AAAAAAAAAA
strike = UUUUUUUUUUU

i love chiron with mouse

but not with dashstrike strat

[frigid abyss]

yeah chiron is ok

[distant night]

hera feels powerfull if you use it like hidden shield

[frigid abyss]

i did a spear run earlier and boy my hand hurt after that

[hexed shore]

Do each of Styx's room count as a seperate encounter?

[distant night]

uh the spears really want your fingers to do anime handsigns before reaching the end of a stage

[distant night]

depends on what you ask; if you ask keepsakes, no; if you ask well of charon items, yes

[hexed shore]

I was thinking of rare crop

[distant night]

dont think so

[hexed shore]

Well that sucks

[distant night]

but i never wanted to try it this late lmao

[hexed shore]

Hey if I can get it I'll have 3 heroic boons, p good

But I think it counts like keepsakes so not gonna bother

[scenic drum]

does anyone know if I cross save my switch file to steam if the achievements will auto grant or if I need to specifically need to complete them on steam edition?

[unborn anchor]

It does count for Demeter's Rarity boon.

[wet nimbus]

I need help which upgrade do I take the cursed slash the double edge or piercing wave?

Since I need to survive lol.

[hexed shore]

Ooh that sounds pretty amazing

[wet nimbus]

Which one do I take?

[distant night]

how high is your health

[hexed shore]

What's double edge

[wet nimbus]

Around 200

[distant night]

double edge is your dash strike hits twice ifi remember correctly

do you feel comfortable with less than 100HP?

[wet nimbus]

Probably not,

I will do piercing probably then thanks.

[distant night]

then the double edge

[manic bobcat]

Double Edge: your dash strike hits twice and also gets a 20% bonus damage

[wet nimbus]

So double edge?

[distant night]

it's either cursed slash or double edge

if you dont likelow health, double edge

[manic bobcat]

Double Edge is the best sword hammer if you know how to use it.

[distant night]

cursed slash is the best survival hammer if you feel comfortable with low health

[wet nimbus]

I got 175 cap health right now.

[distant night]

if not then by god do not take it

it really feels bad if you arent 100% comfy

[wet nimbus]

I’ll take double edge.

[distant night]

may the gods grant you a swift win

[wet nimbus]

Thanks 👍

[unborn anchor]

Just try it out, honestly. prophecies reward you for trying things out at least once.

[languid plover]

Actually... for Thanatos & Hermes keepsakes, they only count the last room... but for ||Persephone's|| keepsake, it counts each room

[distant night]

i forgot the ||pom blossom|| exists.......

thanks for reminding me D:

[languid plover]

Does hammer boon Piercing Wave also procs Attack boon?

double hangover, double chill, double support fire... Zeus has internal cooldown so i think not. Does the waves can crit from Artemis Attack?

[distant night]

as far as i have seen the wave only does its 30 damage and nothing else sine it doesnt even gain the boon damage boost

[languid plover]

Hmm, i see. It's meh then

[distant night]

pretty much yeah

[light wyvern]

you can summon vs ||Hades|| now???

[manic bobcat]

Yes. But it's lore locked.

[light wyvern]

[manic bobcat]

In fact probably the last upgrade you get

[distant night]

yeah he gives a certain dialogue about it once after you gain your first companion i think

[light wyvern]

Yeah I hasnt played for a month and suddenly got this dialogue

[distant night]

doesnt ||em4|| come later tho?

[manic bobcat]

Nah, i got that way before the summons thing

[distant night]

huh

probably because i thirsted for than faster than unlocking higher heat

[manic bobcat]

:D

[alpine yacht]

Does ||Luci ||aspect not clear projectiles at all?

[unborn anchor]

When does it lift, exactly? I remember ||summoning Schelemeius|| multiple times before I got the dialogue and the "official announcement" from ||Hades|| himself. Or is ||Skelly|| just the outlier?

[manic bobcat]

Regarding summons: ||Those who don't work for Hades can be summoned to fight him at any point, so Rib (from Skelly) and Bouldy (from Sisyphus) are fair game. Those who work for him (Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, Achilles) will not fight against Hades until a later event in the game where Hades explicitly gives them permission to do so.||

[unborn anchor]

That explains it.

I forgot about that "working for him" part in the dialogue.

I got Precious'd by the big letters after the dialogue.

[manic bobcat]

:D

[median holly]

Tries to use the Thanatos Summon in a Thanatos Chamber

Thanatos: "I'm already here."

God, I love this game.

[hexed shore]

What's a good cast to put on hera

Tried rifts, didn't end very well

[alpine yacht]

Artemis is probably #1

[radiant estuary]

Ones that are somewhat hard to aim, generally

[alpine yacht]

But any 'normal' projectile works

[radiant estuary]

Festive Fog is one of the big ones on that front

After that, Aphro cast as well

[brisk trail]

Wouldn't it be super cool if apollo was added to hades?

Or something to do with herucules

[tidal hedge]

What would be their boon line

[brisk trail]

Uh

I didn't prepare that lol :/

[brisk trail]

Still would be pretty cool tho

[bright nymph]

i feel like apollo would end up being somewhat similar to Artemis no?

[brisk trail]

Well apollo was the god of healing

And the sun

[pliant sparrow]

too bad sg didnt add any moon animations to artemis

[jagged ore]

does Hades have any easter eggs?

[pliant sparrow]

tons of dialogue easter eggs

sg has basically covered for every case with their dialogue its p. amazing

[waxen juniper]

What's the mod that lets you choose a boon at the beginning of the run? I beat the ||epilogue|| and I just want to mess around with stuff now

[manic bobcat]

Google Ello's Starting Boon Selector

[waxen juniper]

I will. Thanks

[warped iron]

Also, check out the modding discord pinned in #self-promotion

🙂

[waxen juniper]

Thanks shy!

[unborn anchor]

I underestimated Aphrodite's Aid + Smouldering Air. Being able to charm stuff every few seconds is pretty insane.

[waxen juniper]

That does sound beneficial

The only downside is you lose the big chunk of damage

[radiant estuary]

Though on the other hand you also lose that giant damage bonus on greater call

[waxen juniper]

I'm gonna try EM4. Wish me luck!

[unborn anchor]

Does make the run safer. As long as you have other sources of damage.

[pliant sparrow]

only safer for bosses?

cuz seems like it would struggle in elysium

[waxen juniper]

Tbh, I am not sure how bosses react to charm

[unborn anchor]

Bosses just stop moving.

Also all their persisting effects will not hurt you

[distant night]

they get stunned and walk around laughing

[unborn anchor]

I learned of charm power with Aphrodite Legendary

[waxen juniper]

Ah okay. I've noticed it definitely doesn't last very long

[distant night]

it is very scary to watch ||father dearest|| skip like a little girl

[unborn anchor]

There was no skipping, but oh god, when he was giggling.

Taht was terrifying indeed.

[distant night]

it looks like skipping when you get him in his beyblade mode

giggling + that weird skipping = jesus christ just hit me

[waxen juniper]

I must see this!

[distant night]

you mustnt

[waxen juniper]

For some reason, I just haven't noticed that before.

[unborn anchor]

I can probablymake everyone in elysium kill themselves. Smouldering Air makes the meter charge REALLY fast

[distant night]

i havent either, until today

smouldering air can be so smexy

but other times you just cri

[deep pivot]

@manic bobcat 5 hours late because them intense raids. BUT! I don't mind the tags at all

Sorry for the super duper late reply!

[narrow hemlock]

peachie <3

[waxen juniper]

So question, what does boosting rarity actually do for a boon

[deep pivot]

Tatz

[distant night]

wait what did fox do

[deep pivot]

Boosting the rarity raises its scaling from poms.

Uhm, he pinged me because someone wanted to know about the wiki.

[distant night]

depends on the boon, some get higher damage, some get higher specials and every pom makes it eve stronger then

ahh so good fox things

also seeing a higher rarity boon is just satisfying

[waxen juniper]

Okay. I thought poms had to do with it. I just noticed that Ambrosia Delight didn't immediately change any of the stats

[atomic perch]

Took me 4 games of rail to figure out why I was getting so unlucky with seastorm

Cant build it from tidal dash anymore

[waxen juniper]

And what was that reason?

[distant night]

ah yeah they changed it last patch

[waxen juniper]

It still works with tidal dash though right?

[atomic perch]

We should probably get the wiki updated id not have known without checking in game. The patch notes didn't specify the changed requirements exactly.

[narrow hemlock]

oh boots up game to double check while im not doing anything else i guess

[atomic perch]

now its from atk/special/cast/aid but no longer dash

[waxen juniper]

Oof! Already lost two DD's in Asphodel

[rapid forum]

||Patty is your best mate||

[waxen juniper]

I'm hoping

[atomic perch]

For rail you think its better to give up the Aphro/Artemis special or the hades aid to still build to sea storm? Feels like the special is maybe better to do because not being able to attack during aid feels bad.

[manic lantern]

How does the purging pool figure out what to give you? I swear I always get the most favourable boons offered to the point I don't think it's just luck. Like if I pick up a customs boon, so far it's like 80% it shows up. Maybe I'm imagining things

[distant night]

some tier 2 boons arent sellable so if you mainly count on your tier 1 boons and want to sell those - you're not in luck
else it's rng

[manic lantern]

You mean stuff like rare crop? I think I'm getting suspiciously good luck accounting for that

[distant night]

i think mostly health benefit boons arent sellable but the only one i know for sure it the nectar one from dio

[manic lantern]

Poseidon's boon that gives you gold and darkness can't be sold as well

[distant night]

thats not a permanent boon tho if you mean sunken treasure

it's a consumable so it appears multiple times anyways; else the game would need to retract the items you were given

[waxen juniper]

Finally got the Chaos Legendary!!

[manic lantern]

Same with rare crop and dio nectar

[distant night]

dio isnt a consumable boon tho

it still gives an item i guess but you only get it once

[manic lantern]

Well they can't take back the nectar. I wonder if the same is true for nourished soul

[distant night]

yep, unsellable according to wiki

however life affirmation doesnt say anything about being unsellable

[unborn anchor]

So, Nemean Chariot is the charm build's worst enemy, because of it's erratic behavior. The other enemies end up killing each other in 2/3 hits.

[distant night]

i guess it works like poseidons ocean bounty tho

[deep pivot]

Lululul

[manic lantern]

That's the one that increases cash and darkness right?

[distant night]

higher chamber rewards from permanent items, yea

[waxen juniper]

Well I don't have the chaos legendary yet. I need to beat one more chamber. Unfortunately, it's EM4 Asterius and Thesius :/

[narrow hemlock]

the duos page was actually already updated, its just that the individual god pages werent. this is corrected now though, thanks for the heads up

[distant night]

you can do it!!!!!!!!

[manic bobcat]

well I hope Pony Warrior got his answers. Likely that was about boon infocharts I bet.

[waxen juniper]

Got it!!

[distant night]

nOIce

[waxen juniper]

I took a couple days break and somehow it feels like I have a lot more control over the boss fights. Its like I can read them better

[nocturne ginkgo]

If I have a question for supergiant who could I ask. Since I don't understand dmca stuff I'm curious if I'm able to use the hades soundtrack on stream since I own it

[warped iron]

Are we 100% on this?

[deep pivot]

Yep.

When the rarity is increased, the stats are increased and the scaling from poms as well.

[warped iron]

I didnt see anything related to rarity in the code that deals with poms while modding

[hushed pumice]

I think so. Despite someone saying otherwise around here recently

[warped iron]

ill double-check tmrw

[deep pivot]

Just be mindful that discussions about the game's coding is not accepted around here

[warped iron]

alright, sorry

[distant night]

well it's kinda obvious for multiple definitive boons

[deep pivot]

But sharing stats and stuff that can be seen ingame is ok

[distant night]

like dio special, common it's just 5 damage per second, epic is 7/8

[waxen juniper]

Time for the final fight on EM4. I am scared!

[deep pivot]

So if you see in the code that Normal Heartbreak Strike scaling is the same as Epic Heartbreak Strike in the code, you can share it here since that can be verified by playing the game naturally 🙂

[distant night]

so pommed once the common one will get 6 damage, the epic 9 with just one pom

i think same applies with all dashes

everything else is just... you start of higher than the common one, so the poms you get already deliver better than the same amount of poms with commons?

[warped iron]

hmm

[distant night]

i honestly cant tell for pom strats, i hate poms and would rather get more boons or money lol idk why i'm even here

[warped iron]

can someone verify that ares legendary actually does a 2 damage increase per consecutive hit?

[waxen juniper]

Yeah. I am not winning this fight :(

[warped iron]

like, take a video clip of the damage numbers rather than mentioning the description?

rip dackid btw

[waxen juniper]

Dang. I actually got to ||phase 3||

I think the change in ||phase 1|| got me more than anything else

[rapid forum]

it did surprise me the first time

[waxen juniper]

I mean I watch Haelian play all the time. But even though I knew about it, I didn't truly know about it. If that makes any sense :p

[rapid forum]

the only thing I knew when I fought it was ||the phase 3|| and nothing else

[waxen juniper]

On a high note, that chaos legendary let me finish my last Minor Prophecy :D

[daring merlin]

idk how u get legendary on an aspect??

[rapid forum]

uh

he meant from master chaos

not

[waxen juniper]

We are referring to chaos boons here

[rapid forum]

the aspect lmao

[daring merlin]

oh

[waxen juniper]

But maxing an aspect does make it legendary. So it is still technically a thing :p

[rapid forum]

if aspect got like legendary hammer boon, that'd be pretty broken

[daring merlin]

also what arer builds and how do u do like a good one

i mean now i always aim for artemis

bcs of the insane damage

but like what builds good for dps could i do

[rapid forum]

don't do my route, it involves a lot of maths

[waxen juniper]

Well, time to try and beat EM4 again

[rapid forum]

basic maths

but a lot

[daring merlin]

i mean what is zeus good for

or aphrodite

[rapid forum]

shield special, fist attack

aphro and artemis duo boon is good

[daring merlin]

i know are is good

ares

[hushed pumice]

Aphro is amazing

[daring merlin]

why

[rapid forum]

aphro has the highest damage multiplier

[daring merlin]

oh

[rapid forum]

also it weakens enemy

[daring merlin]

but arty is better cuz of the critical

[hushed pumice]

Aphro attack does a lot of base damage and has weak immediately

[rapid forum]

debateable but yes

[hushed pumice]

Artemis only has a chance to crit

[daring merlin]

i thought the same at first glance

[waxen juniper]

I think you are asking a bigger question than you think. If you are new to the game, I encourage you to just experience it for yourself first. Then once you have some exposure, feel free to ask those kinds of questions

[daring merlin]

yea

[hushed pumice]

Artemis is really good when you can stack some crit chance on attacks that have good base damage

[daring merlin]

but u know i see youtubers dealing insane dmg to bosses and i wonder how

maybe bcs of pet or something

[waxen juniper]

You probably saw ||Than+Priveleged Status||

[daring merlin]

what is priveleged status

cuz i have it

[dull niche]

its a late mirror ability

[daring merlin]

but idk what it does

[nocturne ginkgo]

if an enemy has two status effects they take more damage

[dull niche]

lets you do 40% more damage to any enemy with 2 status effects

[nocturne ginkgo]

like hangover and doom

[dull niche]

like hangover, weak, chill, jolted, etc

[hushed pumice]

Doesn't it say what it does in the description

[dull niche]

doom yeah

theres a lot

[daring merlin]

wow

is doom good

??

[nocturne ginkgo]

all god boons are good

it depends on what kinda play style you like

[daring merlin]

and also can u stack doom

[hushed pumice]

Everything is good, nothing is always good

[dull niche]

the game is balanced enough that for most runs, unless you're going super competitive, anything is good

[nocturne ginkgo]

there is a trait that lets you "stack" doom but it just adds something like 14 damage per stack

[thick swallow]

Game is very well balanced

[daring merlin]

i like a cobination of arty,zeus,ares and maybe athena bcs shield

[nocturne ginkgo]

so if your doom does 100 damage with that boon if you hit 1 more time it would be 114 damage

[daring merlin]

also demeter pretty busted

ok

[nocturne ginkgo]

but note that certain boons are much better on certain weapons

[daring merlin]

lets say i use stygius with aspect of arthur

[nocturne ginkgo]

which is why it comes down to your own play style and what weapons you like

[hushed pumice]

Then doom sucks

[daring merlin]

what boons would u recommend

[hushed pumice]

Aphrodite for Arthur

[nocturne ginkgo]

it could still be good on attack

artemis on arthur

[daring merlin]

i used arty

oh ok

[nocturne ginkgo]

big numbers make the brain go mmmmmmm

[daring merlin]

yeeee

[hushed pumice]

You can do either but Aphrodite is more consistent

[dull niche]

arty works too because big numbers make me happy

but aphro is what i usually go for yeah

[daring merlin]

yea but i have the charm from arty so

yea

[nocturne ginkgo]

I like athena on special on arthur

[daring merlin]

what is zeus good for

[dull niche]

usually fast paced weapons

[hushed pumice]

Rail attack, fist attack

[dull niche]

like fists, rail

[nocturne ginkgo]

fast weapons

[dull niche]

if you can get a lot of zeus boons, they stack reallllly well together

[nocturne ginkgo]

oh BUT

[dull niche]

his cast is also p good for cast builds

[hushed pumice]

Zeus shield special

[nocturne ginkgo]

zeus special is not good on chiron bow

[dull niche]

oh yea

[daring merlin]

what is shield special

???

[hushed pumice]

Aspect of Zeus

[daring merlin]

oh

[nocturne ginkgo]

and shield special is the move where you throw the shield

[daring merlin]

i like zeus plus demeter or aspect of posseidon

cuz of the damage when the cast comes out

pretty good

also the call

[warped iron]

re: poms vs rarity

@high island was kind enough to make a spreadsheet it seems

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit#gid=0

pom scaling doesn't seem to be affected by rarity

[hushed pumice]

Indeed

Other than you get to bigger numbers because the base is higher

[warped iron]

^

[waxen juniper]

Then what's the point of rarity?

[rapid forum]

bigger numbers

[brisk trail]

Not all boons can be Pom'd.

There's a world of difference with Greatest Reflex between Common and Epic (or even Heroic).

[waxen juniper]

That is one I can understand

[timber sparrow]

Make Fully Loaded pommable

[warped iron]

😩

upgrade rarity of fully loaded

[brisk trail]

Oh, man.

You poor babies.

None of you remember when Fully Loaded was a T2 Artemis boon and Support Fire was her Legendary.

It was pommable.

[warped iron]

oh no

[brisk trail]

It was hideously OP.

[waxen juniper]

Alright. Time to try the final boss for EM4 again :/

Will Positive Outlook be my saving grace? 🤔

[timber sparrow]

Support Fire back then was a Legendary? make it op again

[brisk trail]

It could be.

It was 25 damage.