h1-discussion

[brisk trail]

mostly from my aforementioned impatience

[brave dove]

cuz the heat difficulty?

[rain thorn]

I meant the the attempt when I first cleared

[brisk trail]

and me having less hp than I think I have

also heat lol

[rain thorn]

do I have to scroll in the admin chamber right file cabinet all the way to the left to find out?

[brisk trail]

you can hold a direction and it'll flip through fast

[brave dove]

oh yeah sword 4 combo on the last hit of the combo be like

"heres some 1k dmg for you"

[brisk trail]

your first successful escape will say "the first of many?" under it

[rain thorn]

ok nice, will check tonight

[brave dove]

double nova or breaching slash?

[brisk trail]

breaching slash imo

[molten nymph]

breaching slash

[rain thorn]

It's probably very bad, I've never played roguelites and took me a few tries to even figure out what it meant. Plus I played spoiler free until I cleared once with every weapon I think.

[brisk trail]

no issue with that

[molten nymph]

i cleared mine on 24th run
but i've watched youtube vids since early access

and the previous runs are all farming runs

[brisk trail]

I was like completely blind

fun game

[rain thorn]

The reason I went spoiler free was I thought this might be a short game and I wanted to stretch my 25 bucks lol

[brisk trail]

kinda miss the time when I didn't know anything and was dying in asphodel every time

like I could beat Meg no problem but the lava would kill me

and the smoke geyser things

[brave dove]

oh god so there was a choice pick aph or demeter and both i recently didnt pick for the choice for which boons u want

[radiant estuary]

I got my first clear on run 40

[rain thorn]

The twin bombers were very hard for me early iirc

Then was stuck on Meg for a long time

[brisk trail]

lmao me n my friend used to call those the demon brothers

[rain thorn]

idk their name still

[brisk trail]

they're just asphodel enemies

burnfligers/slamdancers etc

[brave dove]

oh god yeah i remember thinking "pls no explody boys"

[molten nymph]

to this day

wave bastards from asphodel still kills me more than any of the minibosses

[brisk trail]

I remember my first time beating them my heart was pounding and now when i run into them I'm like "you meddle with forces beyond your understanding"

[rain thorn]

So now I am at 9 heat and the only thing keeping me playing is the 'useless trinkets', what's after that? Does the story ever complete ||Does persephone come up with a plan for olympians and reveal it, is there a showdown or something?||

[molten nymph]

||she has||

||its a thanksgiving showdown with your womanizer uncle||

[rain thorn]

oh nice

[molten nymph]

the biggest opinion switch i have regarding minibosses

is definitely

butterfly ball

[rain thorn]

then I'll keep playing

[molten nymph]

it used to be my nightmare

now tis a free room

[rain thorn]

indeed

[brave dove]

same

[rain thorn]

All minibosses feel meh now, I think I havent gotten much better but it's jsut the darkness, keepsakes, etc.

[brave dove]

hmm hyper sprint or side hustle?

[agile cargo]

hyper sprint

speedy

[molten nymph]

i still hate sneak

[rain thorn]

But money

[molten nymph]

and the asphodel couple

[agile cargo]

i get hyper sprint whenever i get the chance bc it makes escaping asterius' bull rush mode and final boss' big spins easy

[brisk trail]

wheeee

I take side hustle almost tevery time its offered

[rain thorn]

My worst region was and still is asphodel as I play a lot with the ||gilgamesh|| aspect and end up in lava way too much 😬

[radiant estuary]

Side Hustle is pretty good

[rain thorn]

As opposed to the main hustle

[radiant estuary]

Though if there's something better for your build I'd skip it

[rain thorn]

which is basically killing shades

[brisk trail]

hidden fists

prob my least favorite aspect besides zag spear

[molten nymph]

hidden fists has funny builds

i like funny builds

[rain thorn]

[brave dove]

SCREEE

[rain thorn]

I like it the most

[brave dove]

aphrodite legen

[molten nymph]

i mean

[brave dove]

wait can u charm bosses lol

[brisk trail]

zag spear is a toothpick

yes

it makes final boss ez

[brave dove]

wait what

[molten nymph]

if i were to make my list of fav/least fav aspects

[brisk trail]

u interrupt the attacks

[brave dove]

so u can make the boss punch themself

oh nvm then

[molten nymph]

bottom 5 will be spears and the zag sword

[rain thorn]

I am even trying to draw Zag with || gilgamesh fists||

[molten nymph]

lol

[brave dove]

tho imagine that

[rain thorn]

But I will agree that I lose with it a lot, I only win with Talos.

[brave dove]

final boss punching themself

when u charm them with the boon

[molten nymph]

nah

they won't punch themselves

[brave dove]

imagineee

[molten nymph]

||asterius, however WILL punch thesius||

[rapid forum]

that's what I did with EM4, basically chamed final boss and it attacks the others

pretty cool

[brave dove]

||..... ASTERIUS PUNCH THESUS GOOOOO||

[rapid forum]

|| I've made asterius killed Theseus, He went "nooooo" ||

I felt bad

[agile cargo]

btw can you stun redacted at all? my friend says charm only stuns enemies if you face them alone but for me redacted always just runs in one place and starts attacking me again 0.1 second after

[brave dove]

||LOL asterius just axed thesus||

[rapid forum]

in my experience, no. If you manage to get redacted to hit ||urn|| while it's charmed, it'll damage him

not necessarily stun

[agile cargo]

i see

[rapid forum]

but it can cancel some of the move

which is nice

[brave dove]

||ok just beat thesus and asterius wheres this red shade i heard u can talk to lol||

[rapid forum]

left upper

[brave dove]

found it

[rain thorn]

top left

[brave dove]

||zag said : "that shade there.. have i got a fan?"||

[brisk trail]

personal enjoyment aspect tier list ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328246239160434691/785363659323998208/my-image_15__01.png ||

[molten nymph]

good list

lmao i totally forgot zag shield exists

[brave dove]

wuts it do

[rapid forum]

wow

[brisk trail]

+attack base dmg

[brave dove]

das it?

[brisk trail]

yep

[opal pollen]

I made a terrible mistake.
Chaos boon preventing me from attacking with the rail in Elysium.....

[rain thorn]

'never using again'

[brave dove]

oof wut does the chaos boon say

[rain thorn]

-4 every time you attack?

[brave dove]

attacking costs 3 hp?

[brisk trail]

and that's like r

[rain thorn]

you can just special if you like it should be decent

[opal pollen]

-4hp per attack, so -96 hp per charger.

[brisk trail]

really bad on rail

[molten nymph]

i have good news and bad news:
good news is that boon can't kill you
bad news is 1hp is 1hit away from death

[brave dove]

oh it cant kill you?

[opal pollen]

But that was the last one I needed for the prophecy D:

[brave dove]

but yeah 1 hp is still really difficult to live with

spam special and casts

[molten nymph]

what's your special

[opal pollen]

I make do with the special and Athena's dash to prevent enemies regen

Lol, miniboss, I'll let you guess who. Gonna be fun.

[brave dove]

butterfly?

ball

[opal pollen]

no no no

A horny dude.

[brave dove]

...

Gl

[molten nymph]

nah

its actually better than the ball

because the ball endlessly spawn enemies until you kill it

[brisk trail]

I don't mind either

I prefer them to normal encounters lol

[brave dove]

may i introduce my new sword 4 build

426 hp

without old spiked collar

[brisk trail]

my fav ||arthur|| build is this ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/364243718477185035/784890723790356510/unknown.png ||

[brave dove]

and any chaos boon to get more hp

[rain thorn]

WIP 'never playing it again' ||https://imgur.com/a/07jmR3x ||

[molten nymph]

nice

[brave dove]

dayum misty

[brisk trail]

sick art

im just personally not a fan of the aspect

[brave dove]

thats a no boon run basically

[brisk trail]

it is a no boon run

[brave dove]

wait it is

[rain thorn]

why?

yea I see the boxes are empty

[brisk trail]

dash feels weird

the different sound effect messes with me too

[brave dove]

how much dmg were u dealing?

[brisk trail]

uhh

I can't remember but it was enough to win in 18 min

same damage throughout the whole run

[brave dove]

...

[molten nymph]

more importantly

is that

frickin

high confidence

[brave dove]

i should try out no boon run

[brisk trail]

yeah

[brave dove]

so howd u get all the hammer enchants

[molten nymph]

and abyssal blood?

lmao

[brisk trail]

u get 2 hammers

1 in tartarus 1 in elysium

[brave dove]

ohhh

also

[brisk trail]

abysall blood for the extra damage reduction

the +50% dmg may have mattered quite a bit tho lol

[brave dove]

how to be an underworld god
step 1) die
Step 2) set your feet on fire
step 3)???
Step 4) profit

[brisk trail]

esp on boonless

[brave dove]

:P

[brisk trail]

1. die
2. cover yourself in oil

anyways I remember the third swing was doing 550 dmg on skelly

that's backstab+shackle+high confidence

[molten nymph]

3. be very very bad at communicating with your relatives

[brave dove]

high confidence?

anyway 550 dmg holy

[brisk trail]

+25% dmg when above 80% hp

[brave dove]

ooo

oh yeah

[brisk trail]

the best part is

you have that in tartarus

the worst part is that it slows down after a bit (also praying for a swift satyr sack so you don't run out of rerolls)

other than the final boss I didn't notice much of a difference in difficulty

[glass sentinel]

Am I going crazy? Cannot find for the life of me find Rush Delivery and I see like 4-5 hermes and use rolls I have a prereq

[brisk trail]

pick greater haste and pray

[brave dove]

im loving hyper sprint

i can dodge final boss spins ez but even if i cant hyper sprint make u impervious abit

[brisk trail]

most of the times I get hit on the final boss are bc I got greedy w my attacks

[brave dove]

and so i brought final boss to 1/8 hp while still having havent used up acorn

[brisk trail]

and I get hit in the endlag of them

[brave dove]

still wondering how people no hit final boss

[hasty hinge]

Finally got credits today

[brisk trail]

ive done perfect final boss twice

but never no hit

[brave dove]

im at the point where i at least need 1 DD to beat final boss

where as first run i needed all 3 DDs

[pliant sparrow]

If u can learn iframes perfectly

[brave dove]

||welp that my 9th win... 1 more to go!||

[agile cargo]

ive only done no damage before

i got hits but acorn took them

[pliant sparrow]

||hope this will be ur no damage run||

Gl on not getting hit

[brave dove]

nah im gonna try last run with what misty did :>

no boon run

[brisk trail]

its rough

[brave dove]

gotta fully level the shackle first tho

[pliant sparrow]

gl i believe in u to get a no hit final boss fight

[brisk trail]

||lmao||

[pliant sparrow]

|| its his tenth clear for those wondering||

[agile cargo]

do you guys ever get the bug that makes your discord show youre playing hades even when you arent

bc i have it right now you can check my profile

[opal pollen]

Final boss in my 25 win streak "Came all the way for me to beat you ?"
Yeah sure, keep talking x)

[pliant sparrow]

Yah i said that to my boss the other day i mean what

[lavish skiff]

proxy has died

[hearty otter]

[brave dove]

ok nvm i dont think i can sacrifice 50 hp for high confidence

might not try no boon run

[lavish skiff]

proxy is now alive

[opal pollen]

I had no idea that was possible but you can dash through the Wretched Broker's counter and inside his stock o_o'

[brisk trail]

I'm confused, Cerberus barked so I went up to him and he took a snack? What did I do?

[opal pollen]

You fed him.

[brisk trail]

With what? I'm so lost on how this happened.

[molten nymph]

you can do no boon without high confidence

[opal pollen]

The content of the sack.

[lavish skiff]

you got a bag at the end of one of the rooms

[opal pollen]

It's bribery.

[lavish skiff]

it contains snack

for the good dog

[brisk trail]

Ohhhh. Welp, there went a pom and a few boons. Didn't know that's why I was talking to him ;~;

satyr sack goes in dog mouth(s)

[opal pollen]

The top message says what the sack actually contains at one point.

But maybe it's random

[lavish skiff]

you can still use the shop after you feed dog i thought

[opal pollen]

But no more tunnels

[lavish skiff]

oh yeah

[brisk trail]

You can. I had two rooms left and would've had enough coin to buy another boon.

[opal pollen]

Not after you gave the sack away

[lavish skiff]

i tend to not go down the skull ones because it risks using up health and/or DDs

[pliant sparrow]

Skulls one r faster

[opal pollen]

Are they ?

[pliant sparrow]

Non skull ones take so much time and poison satyr

[brisk trail]

Okay so I've gone into every fight blind but I refuse to get this far and be unprepared. Any suggested reading/videos for this fight?

[pliant sparrow]

Skull ones take like 10 secs with summon

[lavish skiff]

call?

[opal pollen]

Seriously, go for it, you'll die, it's absolutely normal.

[pliant sparrow]

Summon

[lavish skiff]

yeah theres no way you're gonna first try it

ok

[opal pollen]

I think I did

[lavish skiff]

skillz

[opal pollen]

14th run

Before that, it was mainly in Elysium

[lavish skiff]

i got to final boss like 9th run but im on like 25 and i still havent beaten it

[brisk trail]

took me about 5 tries to beat final boss

I'm on like run 30-31 and this is my first time making it. Only like 3rd time even making it past Theseus...

[opal pollen]

Don't give up, skeleton !

[pliant sparrow]

Everyone goes at different paces its fine

[lavish skiff]

i think i should start saving obols for final area

[pliant sparrow]

Thats the beauty of the game and progression everyone will succeed eventually

[hearty otter]

yeah it’s really well done

it’s really hard do describe but it’s nice

[lavish skiff]

in the beginning especially

[opal pollen]

I found the game unexpectedly difficult for the first 20 runs, so much so I almost enabled God Mode.

[brave dove]

oh ye sword 4 build is wut again

[opal pollen]

Though, no shame in doing so, I just wanted to make it without.

[brave dove]

arty and aph?

[lavish skiff]

whats god mode?

[brisk trail]

+20% damage reduction

goes up by 2 every time u die

[pliant sparrow]

More reduced damage per deah

[opal pollen]

In the options, it gives you more resistance.

[brisk trail]

trying to win a fresh file run was about to give me an aneurysm

[lavish skiff]

do wins still count on god mode?

[opal pollen]

It's nothing game breaking honestly, contrary to what the name suggests.

[brisk trail]

farthest I got was hydra

yep there's no penalty to having it on

[lavish skiff]

hmm

can you turn it on midrun?

[opal pollen]

So if you struggle, there's really nothing to worry about enabling it.

Yeah

[pliant sparrow]

Yah

[opal pollen]

You can turn it on or off at any point.

[lavish skiff]

im tempted to just turn it on for final boss

[brave dove]

me trying to get ||bouldy and game be like NO SISYPHUS FOR YOU||

hmm

hyper sprint or greater evasion

[brisk trail]

greater evasion is a flat damage reduction

[brave dove]

hyperit is

[brisk trail]

20% dodge chance = 80% damage taken, on average

Been tempted to turn on that God mode honestly.

Feels like cheating

well zag is a god

[brave dove]

ye

[opal pollen]

It's really only up to you.

[lavish skiff]

if you die 5 times does it make you take no damage?

[brave dove]

im trying to complete all the ||10 clears|| without god mode

[brisk trail]

Got Hades half killed, that is to say ||second bar||

[lavish skiff]

or did i misunderstand the earlier explanation

[brisk trail]

if you die 30 times it goes up to 80% reduction

[opal pollen]

No, it give 2% more resist per death I think.

So 20, 22, 24, 26, etc.

[brisk trail]

hey phase 2 on first try is pretty good

[brave dove]

cuz yea it does feel like cheating when it isnt

[remote anchor]

It's in the game and you play the way you want :)

[brisk trail]

ye

I'll never use it but I'm really glad it's there

[brave dove]

||so far 9 escapes and godmode not turned on once||

[rapid forum]

greater evasion + Zag fist + plume, what is damage?

[brave dove]

i would say u only take 1 dmg per hit lol

Final boss be like

how am i doing 1 dmg

[lavish skiff]

what does plume do again?

[brave dove]

each encounter u quickly clear increases dodge chance

[lavish skiff]

oh yeah hermes thing

and is the zag fist maxed?

if so how much dodge is that?

[brisk trail]

my strat for tisiphone is to bum rush her

it feels like she has way less hp than the other furies so she goes down quick

[real edge]

Fun times

[brisk trail]

Okay lemme type that again without the b word 🙄

I have issues when the screen fills up, the butterflies, too many zippy things, Hydra. Idk if that's anxiety or what but I just overload. And if I get ||murder sister|| my run is just screwed before I even leave Tartarus... So yeah, godmode has even tempting.

[lavish skiff]

why is zed rapidly changing nicks

[brisk trail]

I feel ya

[real edge]

No idea

[pliant sparrow]

Yah hades has a slight “wtf is going on here on my screen” problem

[brave dove]

why have nemesis when u have consistent high dmg with sword 4

[brisk trail]

fast

[lavish skiff]

its even worse when you're on switch handheld

[pliant sparrow]

Cuz faster

[brave dove]

true

[opal pollen]

Some people have a harder time than others discerning everything on screen but it should come with practice. @brisk trail

[brave dove]

also with the arty thing where if u get a crit the crit is also even higher dmg

so in a way nemesis could output more dmg

[pliant sparrow]

Double edge + arty dash yah

[brisk trail]

all I can really say is that u get used to it eventually

at least I did

[lavish skiff]

nemesis well item or a nemesis aspect?

[brisk trail]

nemesis sord

[pliant sparrow]

Aspect

[lavish skiff]

k

does nemesis bangle do plus to undamaged enemies or is it backstab

[brisk trail]

my heart says backstab

I just hate that most of the upgrades now are locked behind beating the game once. Makes it feel like it all rests on me to get better and my learning curve is sucky lol

[pliant sparrow]

Not really?

[brave dove]

crap i didnt pick the aphrodite call

from the boon

[lavish skiff]

it would make sense if it were backstab

[brave dove]

it does loads of dmg yeah

[brisk trail]

I assume that's how I get blood and diamonds and stuff because you can't get any now?

mirror upgrades are a big bonus

[pliant sparrow]

Mirror, aspects, keepsakes arent locked

[brisk trail]

well aspects kinda are

Aspects are totally locked when you can't get any blood lol

u only have 6 titan blood easily obtainable

And I used them willy nilly before I knew that ;~;

my first win was with zag sword

[lavish skiff]

well you can get more with ambrosia

[brave dove]

same misty

[brisk trail]

sord gang

[lavish skiff]

so thats more like 10, depending on what weapons you're good with

[pliant sparrow]

Yah but u dont wanna waste ambrosia

[lavish skiff]

why not?

[pliant sparrow]

Cuz u need it lter on

[lavish skiff]

for what

[brisk trail]

how much ambrosia do you need in all cause I have like 45 rn

[pliant sparrow]

Advancing character interaction, maxing out some useful stuff

[brisk trail]

only spent it on maxing ||mort|| and some other chars

[lavish skiff]

i havent been saving it because its useless to me rn

[pliant sparrow]

Rip

Jk u should easily be able to get more after first clear

[lavish skiff]

makes sense

[brisk trail]

Can you turn god mode off once it's on? Maybe I'll use it to beat my first clear and then take the training wheels off.

yeah you can

[pliant sparrow]

Yes

[opal pollen]

Well, it's 6:30 where I live, I think I'll go to bed. Bye and have fun.

[lavish skiff]

yeah you can turn it on and off at any time

either you are elderly or up way too late

either way gn

[brisk trail]

Because I felt immensely lucky to have made it at all and I just wanna get that first clear because I assume that's when more stuff unlocks.

[opal pollen]

Yup, 29, almost dead.

[brisk trail]

yeah, a lot opens up after first clear

[lavish skiff]

i mean that either its pm or am, respectively

[brisk trail]

u can get another 6 titan blood for free basically

[pliant sparrow]

I feel like u guys r too impatient - 30-40 per first clear is average

[lavish skiff]

if its pm you're old af and go to bed super early, if its am you should just go to bed

i havent even gotten first clear yet

im at 25

[opal pollen]

am, without a job at the moment sooo

[pliant sparrow]

As i said 30-40 is average

[lavish skiff]

well ive gotten to final boss like 12 times or something

i just keep dying because of lack of DDs or bad builds

or i choke

[brisk trail]

the boys used to weaken me too much before styx/final boss

once I got better at fighting them the win got closer

[lavish skiff]

im thinking i should start saving my obols for final area

[primal stirrup]

Don't bother saving them

[lavish skiff]

unless theres a kiss of styx in a well somewhere and im down a DD

[primal stirrup]

You might need them earlier

[brisk trail]

the titan blood/diamond tho

feels SO good to buy that

[primal stirrup]

I can see that

[brisk trail]

if I have like 700 obols in elysium I'll start saving up

[lavish skiff]

can reroll change which room the satyr bag is in?

[brisk trail]

dunno

[primal stirrup]

I just kinda spend everything I have at each shop

[brisk trail]

the gold pots in styx carry the hell out of me

I probably make as much from those as I do from the whole run before that point

[hard patio]

Unless you’re using Hoarding Slash with stygius (may be spelled wrong.)

[lavish skiff]

same, but then i only have enough for anvil and 150 bless

[brisk trail]

stygius!

[hard patio]

Then my pockets are basically dragging on the floor

And thanks for the correction.

[brisk trail]

$ave dat money

np

[primal stirrup]

Somehow I found a Hermes boon that gives me obol every time I enter a chamber so I was never really left wanting for anything

Until the styx shop at least

[lavish skiff]

yeah, side hustle is good for styx

[brisk trail]

getting side hustle in the first asphodel room feels so good

[hard patio]

With Hoarding Slash and a condition boon like hangover... you can actually sort of upgrade your basic attack while upgrading the hangover damage

[primal stirrup]

Early side hustle is broken

[hard patio]

It gets pretty crazy come the temple, if you saved that is

[lavish skiff]

i dont quite understand

[primal stirrup]

What don't you understand?

[lavish skiff]

i dont know what hoarding slash does ig

[primal stirrup]

Yeah me neither

First I'm hearing of it

[brisk trail]

+5% of obol # damage added to attack

so if you have 1000 obols your attack does 50 extra damage

[flat vapor]

you gain bonus damage equal to 5% of your gold count

[primal stirrup]

Oh yeah I've seen that show up

[lavish skiff]

that seems good

[brisk trail]

this damage isn't modified by boons or anything, it's just flat

[flat vapor]

notably not a damage modifier, but straight damage

[primal stirrup]

Again, I spend every obol I have so it's never had a use for me

[brisk trail]

also I really like its icon

[hard patio]

Yeah, but stacked with something like a Zeus or a Dionysus boon...

And it’s pretty strong

[brisk trail]

u should really look into saving up

dont gotta buy everything

[primal stirrup]

It has potential but I'm not really interested in trying it out

Just not my thing I guess

[lavish skiff]

wait whats the order of operations for the hoarding slash damage up?

is it added before or after multiplicative modifiers?

[brisk trail]

after

so you gain obols/20 damage

just flat

[lavish skiff]

nvm that isnt great then

i dont think anyways

[pliant sparrow]

Yeet only 1 heat and still 5:20 asph me demeter fists are op

[brisk trail]

I mean 50 extra damage is p good

[primal stirrup]

What's better: flat damage or damage percent increases?

[brisk trail]

considering the base dmg of sword is like 25

[hard patio]

But again. Can be used to actually upgrade your base damage without having to mess with boons

[lavish skiff]

yeah but at what point are you going to have 1000 obols

[real edge]

ill forever hate ||exagryph hidden aspect||

[brisk trail]

quite often actually

if u $ave dat money

[hard patio]

^

[lavish skiff]

the most ive gotten is 500 in styx

but the upgrade isnt going to apply for a while anyways

[brisk trail]

hoarding slash doesn't upgrade base it just adds flat dmg

[primal stirrup]

Yeah the most I've had at once is like 500 and only because of side hustle

[lavish skiff]

can you get more than 1000 gold?

[brisk trail]

yeah

[hard patio]

I’ve ended a run with nearly 2000 coins... (started with hypnos coin purse) and got hoarding slash as my first upgrade at the start

[brisk trail]

Titan blood is 1200

I've bought it more times than I remember

[hard patio]

So it’s not uncommon to basically be rich by the end

[lavish skiff]

i dont really use sword anyway

[brisk trail]

love trading temporary resources for permanent ones

[hard patio]

Maybe not at the beginning. But later, most certainly

[primal stirrup]

Unless you're me and spend everything

[brisk trail]

I buy shop darkness every time

not gems tho that's a rip off

[lavish skiff]

you can buy gems from charon?

[primal stirrup]

I still have to fully upgrade my mirror

[brisk trail]

yeah

75 obols for 20

[primal stirrup]

What a rip-off

[brisk trail]

maybe not early game but

[hard patio]

Gems I don’t really grind for

[brisk trail]

I have like 13000 gems rn so id rather have the obols

thats half a boon

[lavish skiff]

are there any more things of actual value that use gems once you finish with the useful gem renovations?

[brisk trail]

I have vanquishers keep and many, many stonewhals to thank

[lavish skiff]

other than trading

[brisk trail]

u can trade them up

dunno what else

[lavish skiff]

vanquisher's keep?

[brisk trail]

get gems for beating bosses

[lavish skiff]

aha

[brisk trail]

that's why I have so much

[lavish skiff]

i havent done any diamond renovations yet

[brisk trail]

it's 110 gems per run unmodified

[lavish skiff]

can you get an even better contractor's table at some point?

[brisk trail]

not to my knowledge

[pliant sparrow]

Yes?

[brisk trail]

the first upgrades you should go for are fated keys and pom nectar

[pliant sparrow]

Theres the upgraded table

[brisk trail]

yeah but their phrasing made it seem like they were asking if there's anything after that

[lavish skiff]

indeed

[hard patio]

I don’t believe so

[lavish skiff]

even better than the one that is better than the original

[pliant sparrow]

No

[lavish skiff]

k

[primal stirrup]

Any of y'all ever had to go through all 5 chambers of styx?

[brisk trail]

I wonder how many gemstones r needed to get every upgrades

yep

sucks

[real edge]

Often

its either 2 or 5 for me lol

[lavish skiff]

wait can the satyr bag be in a skull chamber?

[brisk trail]

going for both the boss rooms seems to give me the best results

[pliant sparrow]

Yes

[brisk trail]

never on the first chamber

[carmine ravine]

yes

[primal stirrup]

Did that on a mediocre build and still Somehow beat the run

[lavish skiff]

i always get it on 2nd or 3rd

i only go into boss rooms if i really want the reward or if i need more coins

[brisk trail]

I like that the rewards r doubled

[primal stirrup]

I only go boss rooms if the others didn't have the saytr sack

[brisk trail]

and I find the bosses easier than the last rooms in the nonboss chambers

[primal stirrup]

Yeah they kinda are

[brisk trail]

take wayyyyyy less time too

[lavish skiff]

i lost 2 DDs to vermin once

[primal stirrup]

Haven't had to fight them often though

[lavish skiff]

wasnt fun

[brisk trail]

sometimes if I feel cheeky I'll do a boss room then a nonboss room with a reward I want in hopes that I get the sack on that one

[primal stirrup]

Lost a whole run at styx to bad chamber choices

[brisk trail]

haven't had a run that disastrous in a while

[lavish skiff]

ive never died at styx

[brisk trail]

I don't think I have either

[lavish skiff]

i find it either happens at final boss or mid elysium

[primal stirrup]

I haven't actually died in a run for a while

Then again I haven't played much of the game recently

[lavish skiff]

elysian archers are really annoying because i cant tell when theyre going to fire

[pliant sparrow]

The pink crosshair darkens

[brisk trail]

crosshair gets red

[primal stirrup]

They're prob my least favorite enemy in Elysium

[lavish skiff]

yeah but i cant tell what darkness it is that they fire at

[primal stirrup]

Eyy first post of the day

[pliant sparrow]

Not flaming wheels?

[brisk trail]

shield guys r mine

[primal stirrup]

Flaming wheels are pretty annoying yes

And sheild guys too

[lavish skiff]

elysium has terrible enemies

[primal stirrup]

Actually they're worse then archer guys

[lavish skiff]

also the whole "kill the thing twice or it revives" thing is super irritating

[brisk trail]

surprisingly enough my first time in elysium I made it through fine (then got smacked by the boys)

I think elysium would b too easy without that

[primal stirrup]

The only times I died in Elysium were to the bosses at the end

[brisk trail]

I lost my 26 streak to a flame wheel lmfao

[primal stirrup]

Bruh

[brisk trail]

19 heat :(

Is dragon rush bonus damage from leveling up the aspect a flat bonus to the attack or a bonus to cast damage?

[lavish skiff]

i either die to a particularly hard room with archers and shields or i die to a miniboss (shoutout to butterfly ball)

[brisk trail]

https://streamable.com/k4qmov note the left side

my b for running ruthless

[primal stirrup]

F

[lavish skiff]

f

[brisk trail]

was just getting absolutely screwed that run

[lavish skiff]

k im gonna take my leave now

[brisk trail]

by gods n charon

[primal stirrup]

Bye

[brisk trail]

o/

I still got an hour til melatonin knocks me out

[primal stirrup]

The best build I've had so far was when I got Athena dash and Aphrodite attack boon and a crap ton of other attack boons and just melted everything in sight

It was beautiful

[faint flint]

shield buggers are the reason I love true shot

also pissing off athena in Elysium is painful

when thee respawning dudes get invuln'd as they try to respawn and you can't kill them

[slim grail]

why im getting suckier and suckier? this is so infuriating. I beat ||hades|| (spoiler: boss) only once then i cant beat him after that anymore

there's gotta be some boon that can really help me here 😦

[agile cargo]

what weapon you using

[quaint wind]

@slim grail just a reminder that ||the boss's name is a spoiler||

[slim grail]

when i first beat him im using bow.

[slim grail]

but then i cant beat him using melee

i was close to beating him using a gun

[agile cargo]

is that the weapon youre most comfortable with?

[slim grail]

i guess only range ca nbeat him

[slim grail]

no. the sword 😦

i think only range weapons can beat him. melee is impossible

[agile cargo]

its different for everyone, melee was better for me but lets see

for hard hitting weapons (like single hits of the bow) you should go for god boons that mostly increase your damage

[slim grail]

pls tell me, is there a way to dodge that huge spin. he always gets me

[agile cargo]

like athena, aphrodite, demeter

[hardy tusk]

Try shield of chaos. Pretty strong since you can block everything and still got some Range

[agile cargo]

for faster ones (like the guns primary attack) use boons that stack effects (like dionysus) or have critical strike chances (artemis)

[slim grail]

u mean shield of zeus?

[slim grail]

yes. artemis really is my bff in this game

[agile cargo]

there are many more gods obviously but just some examples

its shield of chaos

zeus is an aspect of shield of chaos

[hardy tusk]

Go for aspect of chaos. Makes clears easier

[slim grail]

ah i see. but how you dodge the huge radial spin??

[slim grail]

noted!

[brave dove]

excuse me wut

[agile cargo]

you mostly just need to have a faster reaction but to help with that, you can pick up some speed boons like hyper sprint or greatest reflex

[brave dove]

EM2 and || LERNIE has a new arena and can float?!||

[agile cargo]

if you dont have any, just try to dash to the opposite direction of ||hades|| when he moves in on you and do the spin

[slim grail]

yes. this helps! ty... i will run the opposite direction

quick reaction.... damn thats my weakness. im slow af

[molten nymph]

no need for reaction on that one

watch out for the circle

[agile cargo]

for example if hes on your left before he spins (indicated by white circle), dash to the left quickly because when he starts the actual attack he will move to your right

it all takes practice man hope you get it one day

[vagrant vapor]

anyone else notice a bit of a discrepancy with firing angle for the bow? The ground sprite isn't a great match where the arrow actually travels, unless you're aiming straight up or down: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735639554085748746/785393428510146560/zagreus_bow_angles.png I know it's a ground sprite, but it could be offset to match

[agile cargo]

idk how to offset it to match when it takes place on 3d models?

it can match in certain angles but it probably wouldnt in others

wait actually i think ik what you mean

[vagrant vapor]

you'd basically have to have it calculate a position and angle offset based on the distance from the ground and firing angle. Depends on how the game's been created, but you often see a lot of functions for screen to world space conversions, so it should be possible

[molten nymph]

now the funny thing is

if you look at the shadow you can see that it pretty much align with the line

assuming the shadow is shot from dead up

then the model should actually align with it

[vagrant vapor]

yeah, what I'm saying is the aim indicator should adjust as the firing angle changes, since the arrow's path in screen space is more in line with where it will actually hit than the aim indicator

so it wouldn't be a static offset. just would require a bit of tinkering to get the math right

[brave dove]

excuse me wut

[molten nymph]

whut

[brave dove]

just me or does aphrodite call do like artermis call level of dmg

[molten nymph]

oh

somebody did the math

and without stuff like heartrend and clean kill

aphro actually deals more damage

[brave dove]

huh

[agile cargo]

yea kind of except aph call damage is fixed but artemis call damage has a range depending on how much crit it has

[molten nymph]

yeah

talking about averages

aph wins out

plus the fact that you always needs to get full call on arte

[agile cargo]

both are great for me (remembers that one time where artemis straight up takes out theseus second phase)

[molten nymph]

and the 1 second of the boss standing still could be a dps opportunity

[thorny crescent]

Yeah Aphrodite might be a little better,but Artemis straight up sounds like an Olympian sniper when you use her call.

“Hear you,firing!”

[molten nymph]

plus you get to see artemis

i'd say its worth the dps loss

[agile cargo]

yes

i pick artemis because i like surprises lmao

[brave dove]

||SCREE fighting Hades again hope its my 10th win||

[molten nymph]

||congratulations on beating hades||

||in 3, 2, 1||

[brave dove]

||wait he just lets u go||

[molten nymph]

lol

[brave dove]

||free titan blood i guess||

||was like yee i got loads of good boons and everything time to fight but nope||

[rapid forum]

it do be like that sometime

[brave dove]

||Charon be the ride back yeeeee||

[agile cargo]

||epic ending time||

[rapid forum]

I was watching my friend's stream and he lost all of his DD to ||tiny vermin||. Got to || hades and he just let him go||

biggest pog moment he has seen he said

[agile cargo]

i remember my friend talking about the ||tiny vermin|| a lot i always thought hes just referring to the small common rats in styx

until i encountered it myself and almost had a heart attack

[rapid forum]

boy, were you wrong

[brave dove]

||still scared of charon's paddle there||

||he once made me use up all my DDs in tartarus||

[rapid forum]

||charon's fine, the paddle is a bit hard to dodge.||

[brave dove]

||oh hey the credits||

[rapid forum]

||but IMO, you're kinda screwed if you play melee against him||

[brave dove]

||scuse me wut zeus and chaos share the same VA||

[rapid forum]

||I mean zag and skelly share the same VA, also Aphro and Dusa||

[agile cargo]

just goes to show how amazing the VAs ranges are

[brave dove]

||Pom blossom!!!||

[brisk trail]

Any tips on what to do with my Nectar? I don't have many keepsakes left. Just ||Demeter|| and whatever the last one is.

[molten nymph]

play the dating sim

||meg/than/dusa/achilles/bouldy/skelly will give you items||

[plush citrus]

I had the exact same thing happen to me!! Did NOT expect

[brave dove]

whats yall tier list on the hidden aspects?

[molten nymph]

bow

everything else

gun

[rustic valve]

Bow > Sword > Shield (only good one, imo) > Fists > Spear (fun, but very tricky to use) > Gun (fun, easy to use, sucks compared to Eris)

[thick blade]

super soaker ftw

[brave dove]

ima try bow

||rama yea||

[molten nymph]

bow feels weird at first

but when you get used to it its amazing

||i missed my powershots on other bows now||

[granite ether]

Everything that isn't shield and spear > sheild and spear purely because I haven't put much time into shield or spear

[agile cargo]

hidden gun shreds everything in existence if paired with triple bomb but unfortunately ppl shouldnt rely on that one upgrade

[rustic valve]

Also, only once it's fully upgraded, right?

The damage starts unfortunately low

or, lower than it needs to be to be properly effective

[brave dove]

oh ye tw

btw

||do u equip the bow again when meeting artermis for the dialogue for the rama bow||

[faint flint]

don't you need a full bar for aphrodite's call to do any damage?

also how does it even work

like

charms an enemy

and does a lot of damage

[brave dove]

if its a single enemy it stuns it

if theres multiple it attacks its friends

[faint flint]

huh what

but

it also does like

2.5k

so how does that even work

[brave dove]

yup

[faint flint]

like

[brave dove]

if it lives it attacks its friend

[faint flint]

if you've blapped the enemy for 2.5k

it usually doesn't live

[brave dove]

asterius will attack thesus

[faint flint]

but bosses have a much shorter charm effect

[brisk trail]

i mean, you're not gonna do a full call on a random mob

[faint flint]

i don't even understand how some calls work

like each one of aphrodite's 4 charges charms for 5 seconds right

at base

[blazing wave]

depends on rarity/level I think

but yeah

[faint flint]

then at full charge it does damage

but enemies don't do a lot of damage

or is there a multiplier when they attack their allies

like with traps

[molten nymph]

the amount of time a random cart gets hit by 10 arrows because i forgot i have artemis call...

[brave dove]

||AIGHT TIME TO TRY OUT RAMA.... oh wait i dont have enough blood yet... another time i guess||

[blazing wave]

eh its kinda like skelly

you can bait a shield guy to turn around so you can wail on him

anyone ever used fated persuasion on a pom? is the reroll button supposed to disappear after one use (still have dice left)?

[faint flint]

dunno

and like

Zeus' aid is oddly phrased

[radiant estuary]

I've used it on a pom a few times

[faint flint]

lightning hits nearby dudes for 1.5 seconds

[radiant estuary]

Mostly when I had a lot of dice to spare

[blazing wave]

you should be able to reroll more than once right

[faint flint]

at 50 a strike

you cna

[radiant estuary]

Yes, but the cost goes up with every roll

[blazing wave]

that's a then

[brave dove]

F10?

[blazing wave]

bug report

thankfully it's not a big deal in this run and my time is garb anyway

[faint flint]

how does Zeus's aid actually work

it says lightning hits for 1.5 seconds

at base 50 per strike

and doesn't actually say how many strikes it does

[blazing wave]

it hits like every 0.2s or something, never actually timed it

[faint flint]

it's silly

because all the other things tell you how often it hits

like Demeter says damage every .25s

[blazing wave]

dont think dionysus call tells you how often it applies hangover either

[faint flint]

ares says blade rifts hit every 0.1s

[blazing wave]

only the rate of hangover damage itself

[faint flint]

yeah

but dio's call is rubbish anyway

I don't understand why hangover overwrites other hangovers

[blazing wave]

it's good on its own lol

[faint flint]

it's good as long as you don't actually have any other ways to put hangover on dudes

like if you have a hangover beating at 15 per tick

and you whack the guy with an attack that puts hangover 4

it resets to hangover 4

[blazing wave]

which is why that one boon that makes hungover enemies spread a super weak hangover is basically useless lol

[faint flint]

peer pressure is worse than useless

it's actually counterproductive

like you use your special to stick hangover 10 on a bunch of dudes

then they peer pressure each other into hangover 4

that's not peer pressure

[blazing wave]

SGG just teaching us that peer pressure is bad

[faint flint]

that's goddamn Alcoholics Anonymous

[blazing wave]

[molten nymph]

peer pressure works slowly man

[brave dove]

||narrator : the hell born monste- ||
||Zag : Hey!||
||about cerberus^||

[molten nymph]

man
even in the universe where peer pressure instantly gives full stack its still not the best lmao

[faint flint]

and dio's cast

urgh

why can't it at least track enemies

(on the switch it'd be really nice)

[brisk trail]

i love dio's cast when i'm not running cast-focused

i just pop it somewhere

and i believe it's really good on hera and hidden shield? tho i haven't tried

[molten nymph]

dio cast is my fav on hera

and sometimes achilles

when i'm not feeling like i want to cry because i don't get duo

[brave dove]

||wuts a good call for rama or arthur||

[molten nymph]

i like athena/aphro

...then again its probably because my builds run athena and aphro

but they're solid

use the safety to put in the deeps

[faint flint]

I dislike Dio's cast

because it turns burning /abyssal blood off

[molten nymph]

ye

[brave dove]

...

[faint flint]

zeus' cast is very strong but also funky with targeting

[brave dove]

ok so i have artermis attack on my sword 4

it gives me a crit chance

and i just did 2304 dmg on a backstab

[faint flint]

and wind up having to run halfway across the room for your cast stone which has wandered off like a drunk uncle

[brave dove]

crit

2304 with only 1 boon boosting attack

[molten nymph]

welcome to sword 4

[faint flint]

poseidon cast is pretty good but damage is lacking

aphrodite cast is too short range unless you're hera at which point you laugh

[brisk trail]

i tried aphro cast with achilles, it was pretty nice

beeg damage

[molten nymph]

the only other weapon i could see running aphro cast is poseidon tbh

[brisk trail]

makes sense since it's up close and personal

[molten nymph]

not even about the up close and personal

more

the sticking

[brisk trail]

the sticking?

oh, i was running stygian

[rapid forum]

well

Hera bow with aphro cast is viable

[faint flint]

hera bow with aphro cast removes the downside of aphro cast

[real edge]

So no matter how ||high i go in heat, i will only get 21 sets of rewards||?

[faint flint]

also is it just me or does the spear seem pretty bad

specifically its special

[real edge]

i hate spear

[faint flint]

because even with a faster special

the retrieval time is so long

[real edge]

but its all perspective i guess

[brisk trail]

ye

[real edge]

Ugh, thanks

That's annoying

[brisk trail]

should be more than enough for everything

[real edge]

Yeah

[faint flint]

I don't understand what's wrong with the spear's last aspect

it just seems so slow and clunky

and controls so oddly

[molten nymph]

i pretend its a bow

it works

[faint flint]

like the dash is weird

it's like sometimes you just don't dash

[brisk trail]

yo what eurydice's 3rd option increases chances of getting a legend/duo

[brave dove]

||lernie had enough of Zag and now severed its own neck to float after Zag||

[brisk trail]

if you have prereqs

TIL

[molten nymph]

yep

[brave dove]

prereqs?

[faint flint]

DID SHE STUTTER?

[molten nymph]

so does yarn and keepsake

[faint flint]

just picture her saying that

[brisk trail]

Attempt 33, 2-3 attempts with god mode on, finally beat the final boss for the first time!

[brave dove]

so wuts optimal for ||pom blossom||

[molten nymph]

nice

[brave dove]

||all the way until temple of styx then switch to acorn?||

[molten nymph]

uh

i can only see it being useful in the first two areas

[faint flint]

spear why are you rubbish

[molten nymph]

on area 3 and 4 you have so many boons that the chances of it hitting the one that matters drops

[faint flint]

i hate this spear

[real edge]

Do yall upgrade your house or are you savages

[brave dove]

savages

[misty jolt]

What are you playing with? Just use fists and go Athena on attack and dash and then w.e else you want. I usually look for aphro special and dino cast with some Demeter, hoping for Dino and Demeter duo. You’ll dish out crazy damage and be very safe. Just use an assigned trigger on the controller or something for attack and hold that non stop. Then just dash periodically to make it so your attack never pauses. (You’ve prob seen videos of this). deflecting everything makes it cake

[faint flint]

jesus

worst weapon ever

what on earth

you can't dash while attacking

[molten nymph]

i need that fancy fireplace

[faint flint]

what is wrong with this thing

[misty jolt]

Yes you can @faint flint

If you’re holding attack, you can dash and the animation will not stop

You can attack endlessly without the pause

[brisk trail]

Is the ||Pact|| really all you unlock on your first clear?

[misty jolt]

It’s also why fists generally are used in speed runs

[faint flint]

it's not working

[brisk trail]

fists? i see more eris than anything else

[brave dove]

@brisk trail ||only another 9 more clears to go!||

[misty jolt]

https://youtu.be/8DOUeXXhI4U

@faint flint start at 1:04

It’s probably because you don’t have a way to physically hold attack while dashing.

[faint flint]

i'm using the spear

not the fists

[misty jolt]

I have an assignable trigger on back of my controller

Lol wtf then

[molten nymph]

lol

[misty jolt]

It’s only for the fists

Fists with Athena attack is cake

Easy heat

[faint flint]

it's the spear's spoiler aspect

[misty jolt]

Spear is literally the worst weapon in game man

[faint flint]

||no health, can't dash while hitting stuff||

[molten nymph]

yeah you mainly use special with it

the hidden spear

[misty jolt]

Trust me when I say use fists with Athena attack and learn to hold attack while dashing

[molten nymph]

its a fast bow

[misty jolt]

Likely using a trigger

[brisk trail]

y'all forgetting that zag sword exists

[misty jolt]

You’ll never stop attacking

And can deflect everything

[faint flint]

zag sword is great

the spear is just

[brisk trail]

I prefer spear. Fists need you to get close.

[faint flint]

clunky and horrible

[misty jolt]

Watch this video from 1:04

With Athena on attack you’re really safe

And get Athena dash to be even safer

damage still scales well

[misty jolt]

Trust me when I say just try this

You’ll be shocked^

[brave dove]

@faint flint oh man

try out nemesis or sword 4

[brisk trail]

Ngl the prospect of watching a 25 minute video on a weapon I don't like is.... rough

[misty jolt]

I’m asking you to watch 10 seconds

[brisk trail]

It be like that

[misty jolt]

Just start that vid from 1:04 lol

What are you playing with? Just use fists and go Athena on attack and dash and then w.e else you want. I usually look for aphro special and dino cast with some Demeter, hoping for Dino and Demeter duo. You’ll dish out crazy damage and be very safe. Just use an assigned trigger on the controller or something for attack and hold that non stop. Then just dash periodically to make it so your attack never pauses. (You’ve prob seen videos of this). deflecting everything makes it cake

Do this build for freelo^

Trust

[molten nymph]

people have their preference

[misty jolt]

Fists are the weapon of choice for many high tier speed runs for a reason

[brisk trail]

You mean eris

[molten nymph]

...nah, speedruns are all eris

[misty jolt]

Not true

Both are used

Either way, just try the build for fun once

[brave dove]

why fists?

[faint flint]

huh

[molten nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583880464784424960/785422134418735144/unknown.png

[faint flint]

eris is the speedrun meta

[molten nymph]

...i guess you're right

fist is the second best speedrun weapon

[faint flint]

I wouldn't call one demeter as second best

[molten nymph]

oh actually

yeah

[brisk trail]

yeah v1.37

interesting

[molten nymph]

1.37 has two demeters

[brave dove]

im still wondering

how do u kill all the bosses

and etc

[faint flint]

hit them

[brave dove]

with a rail

[faint flint]

if they don't die

[brave dove]

in 5 mins

[faint flint]

hit them some more

eris = 75% more damage

to EVERYTHING

not just the attack

[brisk trail]

i wouldn't know, i time out to TD2 lmaoo

[molten nymph]

i still want to focus on pushing heat before i do speedruns

if ever

[brave dove]

my sword 4 just did 2439 back stab >.<

[brisk trail]

did you do 6x40 before pushing 45?

[molten nymph]

nah

i think i'll do worse on spear 40 than i do bow 45

...i really need to get the fist to 40 but my brain is wired to unga this past few days

[faint flint]

i don't like tight deadline

then i just grab a call

[molten nymph]

so do really bad on heroes and final boss

[faint flint]

a Hermes auto charge buff

[brisk trail]

i'm still trying to get a 40 clear

[faint flint]

and then start every fight with a full bar

[brisk trail]

i stopped timing out to elysium though

because i died to the furies

[molten nymph]

lol

[brisk trail]

feelsbad

[brave dove]

why time out in elysium when can die to furies

[brisk trail]

If you don't take TD you have to make the rest of the pact harder

[rapid forum]

I read that as "because I died to the furries"

[brisk trail]

it's always the furries

[green maple]

Guys is ~EM4 worth than playing on other 10 heats?

[brisk trail]

i think it's fine by itself?

[green maple]

Or is it only em3

[brisk trail]

but when pushing heat i didn't really take it

it's a lotta time

[molten nymph]

EM4 by itself is not bad

[rapid forum]

EM4 is great

it's fun

[brave dove]

and hard

[green maple]

Huh

[brisk trail]

?

[robust sundial]

and has exceptional music

[green maple]

Ah yes i heard that piece was pretty crazy

[green maple]

Im planning to do ~EM4 for all my weapon 10 heat runs, i think theyll jump my skills up high

[faint flint]

Em3 was hilarious

best zag reaction ever

[brisk trail]

yeah EM4 on its own is fine

[faint flint]

just a "what the F is this"

[molten nymph]

the biggest thing you want to get used to is FO2

imo

FO2, MM, BP2

[brisk trail]

tru dat

[green maple]

MM i try all the time

BP2?

What was BP again?

[molten nymph]

benefits package

[green maple]

Oh

[brisk trail]

EM3 got a good laugh out of me the first time

[molten nymph]

armored enemies has extra gimmicks

[green maple]

I also try 1~2 with bp

[brisk trail]

it's one big meme

[green maple]

The projectile tracking gimmick is

Literally hell

[brisk trail]

@misty jolt putting aside the obvious cheese elements, would this mean you need to equip Athena keepsake to grab the attack early?