#h1-discussion
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My favourite is the one that boosts specia, attack and I think cast damage
But there isn’t a “best boon”
As you can use stuff with like Chaos or Chiron and use special Ares and use the stacking Ares boon
Then you could say differently
i mean what do yuo recommend thank you though
yeah thats whta i got
are you asking on advice for a current run? because knowing some of the other stuff you have will enable us to make recommendations
i died
i feel i shodnt of got aspect of hades on the spear
i hate that i cant regen my cast now
i have to recommend serrated point as an upgrade on the spear
it's the first run/weapon i beat the game with
it allows your dash attack to hit 3 times for -25%(?) dash distance
so if you run a stacking build like for example dio, every dash strike applies it 3 times
it comes from a daedelous hammer
im new to the game
oh ok thank you for advice
yup!
You can easily try it all out. You'll die plenty of times!
very true
i almost feel like this game has too much dialogue
Delete that right now.
ya delete that right now!
plenty of it is good, but some of it gets kind of vague and fillery
there are some i skip
for example, always skip the dialogue for the boss of tartarus
byeee
how do mi get stuff out of secret stash
secret stash?
yeah
where is that
keepsakes
Just keep playing. 🙂
ok
Thats all stuff that will show itself quite soon if you do some more runs.
Keep playing, talking, etc.
Do quests, contracts (if unlocked).
i only have 51 runs so'
and i have gotten to hades once
i ussaly die at where you have to pass charon
That's ok, everyone has their own pace. There is still a lot of game and experience ahead of you 🙂
ok thank you imma head out
lots of talk about how smoothly the house is running
running what, i'm the only one who actually does anything around here
have you met Dusa? not sure how far into the game you are
yeah she claims to be cleaning a lot, but how?
all the other characters do things while you're not around, obviously.
😉
except hypnos. hypnos probably doesn't do anything when you're not around.
||also the storyline with her getting fired felt like forced drama||
unless i mashed through the dialog, i don't think i saw that happen. ||i saw her get yelled at, and threatened with firing, but not fired.||
you havent gotten there yet then, it goes on for a while and everyone makes a big deal about it
really! i'm post-epilogue and her whole situation seems to be stable.
did you max out affection with her
yeah
idk seems like triggering certain things in this game can be finicky
i don't think i ever actually got ||astarius' autograph either|| but i still ended up maxing out hypnos friendship.
good boons for ||aspect of gilgamesh||?
@cedar remnant ||Gilgamesh aphro ,artemis,dio, athena.
PS with 2 debuffs. and debuffs must be applyed befor you use miam, Heart rend,clean kill,rusthless reflex,Sweet Surrender
ideal setup :Athena attack,Aphro special,artemis cast|!infernal soul!arty attack, aphro special, cast unimportant but anything that lodges in enemies is fine. Lodge 1 in bosses and use the other 2 for lightning rods, dash unimportant but literally anything is good - aphro dash is nice QoL, zeus call||
Thanks man
Hmm... What attack boon goes well with Achilles spear?
You usually go for casts
True
So aside casts other boons are only relevant for duos
Achilles Spear? 😳
The spear has an aspect of Achilles
Hm... maybe Artemis is good to aim for? Her cast is pretty good, and lodges in the enemy
What for?
Yeo artemis for casts
The rest is duo related
You can theoretically also play achilles for attack but I find it just becomes a worse hades spear then
Since you need to refresh every 4 attacks instead of every 10 secs
Yeah, that's fair
i tended to use the vanilla spear with the right hammer upgrades
im going to plug serrated point again because it's just that good
with dio attack so everything gets poisoned
to the dash attack as well?
Zag only has 25% right?
Should be
Maybe try in courtyard
Or I'll try it after my run is done
ah i see
yeah so after the punishing sweep debuff attacks/specials get 25% more damage
i never got the hades aspect
No hades give 150% at max
oh gotcha, i miscopied
ya i suppose that would make the serrated point stronger
but with the right boon it can win a run by itself
cause you're just dash kiting and aoe damaging/slowing
I like special more on hades but it's personal preference at this point obvs
i mean we're comparing two completely different things here
and even so, all im saying is the serrated point is extremely strong
by itself or with stuff like what your recommending
We all should know about the power of serrated ^^
Explosive upper gets rid of maim?
Why should it?
it looks like it does
dash upper, not just upper
ye the hidden fist is like my most used so i tried that a lot and its fine
Oh yeah it is there
What a problem to have xD
same
I love the fists.
More of a bow fan, myself
No joke, with time I've come to like almost every aspect
I use the bow the most. I’m horrible with melee attacks and I’m trying to improve by practicing more with them to get titan blood.
^^ big agree

I just have to work on my melee
I have to say, though, I am a big fan of ||arthur||, it's just a lot of fun
I used melee weapons so much I don't know how to shoot from a range 
They're getting shot straight in the forehead 
yeah i use my bow like a melee
stares at unused sketchbook
stares at stack of fully used up sketchbooks
stares at warehouse of logs
Aight time to put down da vidya game and go practice 
Hell yeah
so, you just don't suck
if you sucked you wouldn't make it out of tartarus' first room
I guess
you went as far as redacted, that's already very well. Don't put yourself down like that
i was using the +20% damage from enemies heat as well
A little too confident, I thought ||gilgamesh|| would make it a lot easier. It didn't.
Redacted isn't easy for everyone, n omatter the weapon lol
I guess
I've beaten him 20 times though, it feels a bit disheartening to lose to him
and also break an 8 win streak
Bound to happen with higher difficulty
Completely understand, but it's bound to happen at some point 😛
overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
Eh more like fast and insidious
my first run with hidden spear was going very smooth until a sloppy final boss
btw is ||charon fight|| random? I've had friends who've played a lot less than me get it and I haven't got it once in my 52 runs
ive had it appear once in 48 runs
i mean hes not the hardest boss
Tiny Vermin
not that either
I never said he was. Just that not everyone who plays this game consistently beats him
im at the hades fight right now
Dont do as I did
im haveing an insane run with aspect of hades on the spear
ok lmao
last trime i fauht hades i didnt realize he had a second stage
I'm so mad
si i kinda screwed up but i think i got it
I literally killed hades' second phase at the same time I died
good luck on your next run
I'm going to murder thins game with aspect of eris
ok lmao
i have everyone maxed out on affection and all the pets maxed, guess i can trade ambrosia for blood now
not gonna stress about badges/themes
i fing died
RIP

feels like its really not easy to get extra casts
usually end up settling for +cast damage at chaos instead
starting to think the easiest thing with achilles spear might be to just go demeter cast
with the sticking casts you're just crossing your fingers for extra casts, rapid reload or both
Achilles is for non sticking casts
But hunting blades and blizzard shot do a better job
Meme beam still fun tho
i dont want to rely on getting a duo tho
...
it helps a ton but ive done it without it
who did you guys get?
though i just beat ||em4|| for the first time and that would not work without demeter/artemis duo
Unless you're playing on like 40+ you're "not relying on duos" mentality is holding you back build wise
Just EM4 ist still low heat my man
No cap
idk sometimes i fish hard for a duo and just dont get it
That's the nature of roguelites
There's bound to be trash runs lol
But usually keepsakes, mirror and rerolls makes it very likely
no....im not truly skilled until i stop dying altogether
*dramatic anime pose*
pierced butterfly, high confidence, final destination
actually i dont know how to select 'no keepsake'
zagy
but then i dont know the distance rules
Sniper shot is bad for the same reason
i remember trying it out for bow and noped out after tartarus
i would probably use it with cast build or gun before bow
obviously having to charge ur shot is an issue there
alternatively, chiron keepsake but never take the well
Every weapon is fun
oh yeah chiron keepsake is probably better than i give it credit for
thats one way to have extra casts when you really need em
Oh you mean charon
Chiron is the bow aspect bois
eh yea
making me mispell
damn you greek gods
i also just recently ||beat charon|| for the first time
just gotta do it one more time
Does a boon that is +attack also afffect dash attack?
Usually
kk ty
:0 howww. i got the prompt to ||"borrow" from him a few runs ago but feared his paddle of op dmg||
hammers that specify attack do not effect dash strikes at all
||fight him in elysium or styx when your build is mostly done, and use a build where you can stay tf away from him, imo at least||
you cannot ||fight Charon in styx||
oh i thought i had heard otherwise my bad
got it. i'll keep that in mind the next time i see him. thanks!
elysium would be the best then
||i got his first prompt in tartarus. rip||
Nice to know
i thought you knew everything rollingstone
recomended boon for aphrodite
||cant imagine fighting him in tartarus, he has so much heckin hp||
My knowledge is only near infinite
He does, he's just being polite 

Real talk, Acorn should be active for ||Charon and Tiny Vermin||
|| just managed to do first phase of hades hitless||
My dmg is freaking insane
for any weapon that's not bow and rail, anyways :V
Thanks aspectnof eris :)
or piercing wave for sword, for some reason
piercing wave is weird
||finish story, max 6 gods, be disappointed||
Nah get their sticker
Except for ||demeter|| just up to ||locked heart|| there
||max relationship||
It's a one shot machine
any boons you would like to go with it?
Explosive and twin shot hammer
arty?
It's their duos
There are easier options first
Customs teaches you to plan your builds better though
consequences+EM?
Em2, TD1, MM, BP1 are relatively free and fun imo
Also EM3 theseus is easier but asterius is harder
Yep
I even like BP2 but if you get the blue heart giving skulls or spear men the its hell
oh
What was that again
1 is fine tho
Fast attack has less problems
Technically secret bow special is decent for clearing dc
I BEGAN WITH AN EPIC ARTY ATTACK BOON
that makes the heat 3, where i only need 2
Nah
frozen touch wont do anything if i dont have any chill
You want heart rend and spread weak
wait then i roll demeter?
As I said
Artemis attack, apjro flourish, zeus aid
so i need aphro's special?
For heart rend
On crit build artemis and aphrodite ate usually standard
Don't tell me ur using authority
Switch to persuasion
It's way better since it gives you better control over getting the right boone
i got rare crop but thatll do nothing besides my arty attack boon
do i still go for it
Rate crop is nice yeah
Equipping the right gods keepsakes is more effective than authority
i am currently having arty's keepsake
So only two slots left
And you have those slots already set
There's 4 slots
Hermes and chaos don't count
so i can only take 4 gods?
The 4 gods you take will appear only
You can force more with keepsakes
But that will randomly kick one out
oh so i need zeus+aphro which makes it a 4
Yep
or i also have chaos
i guess chaos in tautarus looks fine
That's a good option yuh
U can also build rama for special but that a different build ofc
omg epic attack boon
I thought u already had arty
like the
chaos's epic attack boon
i dont have explosive shot nor twin shot
do i roll the hammer
hmm
And then their duo heart rend

Trials can't give duos
but their duo's wont appear
still isnt it worth taking
i really want PP or support fire
What's the other option?
centaur
Pp and support fire are nice ye
Depends on what you feel you need more
oh
ill go boons then
btw which one is harder for the trial?
i know aphro's trial is hella difficult
but never tried arty's trial
artemis gets more disappointed in u
uh and
|| does the area boon that makes you do more dmg after you kill something for that encounter apply to bosses EX. I kill a thing that hades spawns do I get the DMG up? ||
i got pp and life affirmation and im entering aphro's room
aphrodite trial is really only prickly is theres a lot going on and it gets harder to track the heart
yah u can dash thru the heart if u can see it
Yes
Only works for first attack tho
no duo oof
It's super whack
do i get aphro dash
|| HADES PREPARE TO SUFFER ||
You can't get duo in trial
Yeah it's really not something that helps in bossfights
Hunter dash is good for secret bow attack build
Always nice
? @runic agate isnt that boon like for only a single attack/special?
You can, just not from both of those gods.... though maybe the first god cant offer ANY duos, the second one can I'm pretty sure
I'd personally value hunter over aphro dash in this case
Yup
It's not possible to get duos from trials
That's the consensus rn
Realistically speaking
one of us would have gotten one if it was possible?
Well as queen said you can technically get duos from gods that are not in the trial
But that's unlikely if not impossible
Since only those two will appear and you won't get their duos
do i keep my arty keepsake or do i go for zeus or aphro
To make it clearer: If you had an artemis/aohro trial you could get a zeus/poseidon duo
But since they don't appear
keepsakes are one time only
but rarity
Nope
so i guess ill go zeus?
Keepsakes are for forcing the gods you need for a build
alright ill go zeus then
leaves chat cuz fook everything
Usually I'llgo gods keepsake>gods keepsake>purse/gods keepsake>acorn
Why u hate me
ohh

anyways i go for it its time for asphodel
But you don't have to be as build focused as me xD
I'm jking m8
I still don't get it comment tho xD
i mean, i also feel so happy when i have a decent build and melt enemies down with 4 digit damages
Follow the way of Bouldy then
4% attack increase
Ambiguity bonus
da fuq?
me who hasnt even unlocked being able to talk to bouldy yet I BET BOULDY IS THE BEST FOR BOONS!
Secret best god xD
: /
@astral swift already finished an awesome art piece?
Voldi made me draw shabby feet and now I wanna draw eyes but I boolied myself out of it cuz I can't draw faces 
Heart rend is more important
The duo is key
me, goes for duo not knowing what it does
It gives you +50% crit damage to weak enemies
cyall
See ya soon
Boi boi
I don't believe you
Now create some beautiful eyes
no, i have the one that goes with the rarities
i can roll boon choices
At very high heat the epic one is better
But until then legendary/duo reigns supreme imo
Do you have persuasion or authority?
huh?
Also I like duos and legendaries xDD
I h8 my auto correct
You can't roll hammers
Only boons and pools
Yeah for duo
The duo mirror perk really makes a difference in getting those
Also the chaos rarity boon and other rarity increases help as well
In the end it's good to have most mirror options maxed
hermes or zeus
Zeus ig
alright
I like the green mirror option for rerolling boons for help in getting certain boons
I mean, you already have keepsakes for getting certain gods
That's what I meant by persuasion reigns supreme
Late 2 the party xD
Is a 2 person chat a party?

Sure why not
Nah m8 I'm always there to answer any questions
But I'm not the one pressing the buttons xD
Zeus is really good once you’ve heavily invested in him
Sea storm and cold fusion are great duos
The most important nothing's are just artemis attack, aohro Flourish, heart rend (maybe zeus aid and smoldering air and hunter dash) and the rest is freeform
If you get explosive and twin shot also it will be about 6 times that
Since crit is multiplicative the 15%+ form clean kill is a lot mofe
now hold on
Hammers can be run winning
alright then
you hold on to god's keepsakes for more than one area? or you mean you switch to a different gods keepsake?
But they’re a little useless if you’re running a cast heavy build
Both are valid choice's
from the earlier part of the conversation
well i mean i have aphro's keepsakes so she is going to come up soon again
I switch keepsakes
Switch always
ok i thought so
It only guarantees you one boon
depends to me, i just simp for ares if i like the blade rift
Is the 1 under the keepsake already gone?
i know its a bad move, but i simp
nope
Then it will still force
If you dont get the duo you need in Asphodel, sometimes you gotta keep the god keepsake on for Elysium to roll for that duo though
For the rarity increase
oh that just doesnt seem worth..
EXPLOSIVE SHOT
I still prefer purse In most cases
YESSSSSSSS
secret bow with zeus special is craaaazy
Better not take damage than stand still for 5 secs
Yeah thunder flourish build is fun
Nah, bolts have a cooldown, you're still only hitting one per enemy
Chill or Hangover are where it's at
It's still good on rama
OMG
It's okay on Rama
omg spoiler
You're gonna make me blush 😊
Poseidon Zeus is where it’s at
hermes pleaaase give me a atk speed or reflex boon
Rama-lama-ding-dong
Easy privileged status from their duo
I grade blushes for spoiler tags
What are the other options
Side hustle is usually the worst choice
hyper sprint auto reload
Side hustle can be very good but which biome are you in?
just replace exagryph with 4th bow imo
Unless you REALLY want that Styx TB
Hyper Sprint
Yeah, I would go with hyper sprint
hyper sprint is so cool
I mean side hustle is fine early on
i love it when i am getting taught on builds when its something like my 74th run
its like nyoom
lmao
If you don't get greatest reflex, hyper Sprint or aren't looking for hermes cast boons
Elysium strikes me as a little late for side hustle
Also attack speed from hermes makes you charge faster
Never too late
attack/special speed feels like one of the weaker hermes choices a lot of the time but i might be wrong
yeah, thats why i need atk speed
It is yeah
Depends on the aspect a lot
It doesnt though 
UH
Also on shield
I ENTERED THIS ZEUS+APHRO TRIAL
attack speed on 4th sword is cool tho...
and i picked aphro idk what zeus does
It makes you start charging faster, but the charge itself is unchanged
Yeah that's what I meant
Hermes can be hit or miss
guys hows zeus when hes angy
He's ok
even if it kinda goes against the idiom of 4th sword
You meant the opposite of what you wrote?
Me too
take the mirror option next time
wait can you get the MEGA CHOP hammer on 4th sword
You cannot
aww
Also you wouldn't want to
you dont know me
World Splitter doesnt multiply base damage, it just sets it to 90
OH
So it wouldnt do anything different on 4th sword
HI ||ASTERIUS||
well it would have to be more damage obviously
time to finish you up and see my power
like 500 at least
It would have to have a not ass hitbox
But that's not what worldsplitter does
it would be a modified version of the hammer..
to represent hte power..of 4th sword..
What's real cruel is you can still get Cursed Slash with 4th sword
I mean world splitter is a fair name
Not hard to miss an entire globe
its ok
Even with such a small hitbox
you got so much hp
THIS IS TOO STRONG
You haven't even reached the peak
yeah its not called shade splitter now is it
like god damn it
That's the feeling of builds
i still dont have the duo
wait what are you using
ill take broken resolve
Man, imagine what he'll feel like with cluster rocket crits
please give me the booooooonnnn
Yeah, duos are unreliable like that
You are unreliable
what i dont like about the gun is you either get rocket + cluster bomb/triple bomb, or ur sad that you didnt get that
like your run might still be ok
but youll be sad
"bow"
me: approaches and then slashes
Me everytime
Like I'll win ez
But was it really a win?
Lambent Plume + Hermes Dodge is just Payday dodge build
Might as well kick on “Left in the Cold”
meanwhile over in enter the gungeon its like, oh did you get a bunch of totally busted guns/items? no? well hope you're godlike at the game lolol
Don't give me flashbacks
I still shudder
Damn you ammoconda
Idk why but that one always tripped me
i only successfully cleared that game once
I never
i mean the basic ending
and it was purely due to getting lucky with guns
lets go charon give me something
love
i need to try blizzard shot again to see how good it really is when you dont get mirage shot and lots of casts to go with it
With achilles
chefs kiss
Elaborate
The hell do you have?
now im just
but like, why not get mirage shot
flattered
noxy post ur victory screen at the end
you're adjacent to it anyways
i just mean there's a chance i wont always get it
Was it Splitting Bolt?
Flying just doesn't believe in duos
not that i wouldnt try for it
zeus is the only god who duos with himself
HOW IS THIS HAPPENING OMG
Rng...?
builds arent even that good
U faced him b4?
You can't be serious
I know it's a hard concept
But
How about both
LIKE WHY
Memeing how Noxy complained about Splitting Bolt and then saying they instantly phase 2’d Asterius after
WHY UNHEALTHY FIXATION INSTEAD OF THE DUO
Obviously
Noxy
boons are just a crutch, even ||hades|| says so
but i dont need any charm effects
What Aphro boon
yes piorda nautor
What weapon
@alpine fulcrum you are just a crutch
45 heat no boon
do it u wont
Charm is sick
looks cool
Noxy Tell me right now what Aphro boons and weapon aspect do you have
i watched a fresh start speedrun with the devs commentating, was pretty cool
uh
Basically a stun
Better the faster the attack
i have a bunch of aphro
Secrt bow crit build
@alpine fulcrum even that oneused a duo boon
like i have too much
yeah but he got lucky
so uh bouldy do i just go for charm
Aphro Attack? Special? Dash? Misc boons?
special and misc boons
Aohro Flourish
The best speedruns are lucky
And what weapon
obviously if you're speedrunning a roguelike there's going to be a lot of runs that go in the trash because of rng
Secret bow
Oo. Hm...
Bruh do you even read what I'm writing
life affirmation different league broken resolve empty inside
anyways
so i go charm...?
Charm in secret special is fine
alright
Was hoping for Charon, Charm is good on anything with rapid fire Aphro
Sorry I was tunneling Noxy’s messages
it occurs to me that if you cant get duos on trials, that just makes them better for going for legendaries
Why am I not the center of everyone's attention
come onnnnn this issssssss the last artyyyyy i haveeeee
no bouldy youre legit helping me out
Flashback back to when I had Aphro Attack, Aphro Special, Relentless Volley, Chiron Aspect, and Unhealthy Fixation
“No, final bossman, sit down, I get to play.”
the bouldy ambiguity buff actually buffs rollingstone's advice by 2% during that run
Every ambiguity bonus actually buffs me
Bruh i had seastorm, poseidon legendary that gives more knockback effects, and +3 dash on a run today
But i got a 4 sack
Killed final boss in 40 secs i was so mad
Cluster rocket too
All skill
No luck
Or the other way around?
wait does poseidon lego do anything for bosses
Uhhhhhwhat was his Legendary again?
If you have stuff that triggers on knockback they will trigger twice
Double knockback
double the fun
Bless
I had that plus sea storm it was super op but styx rooms take forever
double 
what about the thing that does more damage to bosses when you use knockback abilities
Oo
does that synergize with the legendary somehow
Twice

U can go from 200 base damage on hidden sword to 5k crits so
Quadruple isnt too much
if fishing boon isnt on the victory screen i dont want to see it
Spear just go special crit lol
I love em all
1k hits every few secs on a massive hithox
Or serrated
Yeah I get the impression you should focus on Special more with that one.
Or dash strikes
Also the hitbox is deceptively super small
If u see two enemies spaced out and aim in the middle of them, chances r you’ll hit both
i always called that one big chop
[WORLD ZPLITTA]
Bass boost
The magikarp of hitboxes
it literally says big chop on the ability, so thats what i just called it
hooray! won my 6th time
now go do it again
lol
If I could have a superpower it would be being able to bass boost things
Oh no it's upside down
There has to be an achievement for exhausting all dialogue, right?
But imagine if there were
no
i like it they did it like that
in order to do that youd need to have access to all the game lines
and the only person with that power is tatz
not even the devs

@quaint hatch thank you so much for this crazy experience
I got a lot more where that one came from xD
Awesome that you had fun and success!!!
I'm a bad dealer
Cause I give all of my stuff out for free
Was i Schelemeus all along?
am i doing something wrong? I beat ||charon|| and got his loyalty card twice but i still havent got the steam achievement?
First off can you spoiler tag the name pls
|| on both sides
You need the dialogue from hermes I think
builds are fun
no, not the prophecy thingy, the one on steam
i might learn more omg
where u have to get his loyalty card
Oh i can't help you then
I'm on switch lol
ohh
Just @ me
There are ofc other knowledgeable peeps in here

