if i was doing it the other way around would probably be better
#h1-discussion
grand bay
high island
all supergiant games are rated 90%+ on steam, but somehow ive only ever heard of Hades. i must not be the only one if you look at the total number of reviews, Hades has more than double than all the others.
so what can be attributed to the success?
Hades has way more replay value as a rogue-like, so people put waaaaaaaaay more hours into the game.
hexed pilot
idk, being able to take 2 weapons makes bastion so much different.
woeful lotus
Bastion is not quite the same kind of game and the art story and music etc are amazing
hexed pilot
you can do really weird combos too.
grand bay
replayability is key!!!!
you know every time i look at steam reviews, i ignore the score
i look at the average hours played by most reviewers...
high island
I love Bastion.
weary ice
Does anyone know when we can expect updates to come to the switch? It hasn't received any updates since launch
hexed pilot
I loved taking the rifle + pistols
grand bay
theres games with like 80%+ rating, then you look at the numbers and realize people spend 1-2 hours playing and never touch it again lol
like all VR games... rated 90%+ and youre bored after 15 minutes
hexed pilot
machete shotty was fun too
gusty slate
Switch is 2 patches behind I think, but #announcements said it's delayed
Cross-saves have been slowing them down abit
high island
I have 21.4 hours in Bastion, 611.7 in Hades. I still couldn't tell you which I like more.
Well.
That's not true.
Hades has Lady Aphrodite, so Lady Aphrodite wins. 
💗
weary ice
Cross saves will be nice when it comes, but they've done lots of balance updates that I'd like to have sooner than that
gusty slate
I think the plan was to push out cross-saves at the the same time last I heard
hexed pilot
Hades will be #1 for me when you can romance Asterius 
high island
(The real winner is Sandra. 💗 💗 💗 💗)
grand bay
is there a speedrunning scene
high island
Yes.
gusty slate
There is
grand bay
or is the game too random with the roguelike mechanics
really?? 😮
speedrunning roguelike seems so weird to me 🤔
hexed pilot
you have a lot of control over a run through god keepsakes
high island
hexed pilot
but there's also plenty of incentive not to do that,
grand bay
i didnt get that far yet
i just reached ||hades|| and beat him ||and then he stood up and kicked my ass||
high island
I mean they speedrun pretty much everything lol.
Final boss identity is spoilers in this channel.
high island
grand bay
but its kinda obvious 😄
high island
You did that to yourself.
robust scaffold
true it is kinda obvious
tiny grove
Obvious doesn't mean it's not a spoiler
hexed pilot
I thought the final boss was going to be ||Hypnos, using all his advice against you||, personally.
gusty slate
I mean
high island
||Dusa|| is the real final boss.
gusty slate
could've been anyone really
tiny grove
besides|| we all thought the best doggie in the world was a boss||
high island
@hexed pilot Hypnos's advice is legit. He said to not just stand there when they throw bombs at me. Can confirm it works.
gusty slate
Just don't stand on traps
grand bay
did the voice actor for skelly do any more work? his voice is so familiar but i cant put my finger on it
gusty slate
Skelly has taught me that facetanking works.
woeful lotus
I love hypnos in general
hexed pilot
I think SGG should add the thing you said. Hypnos should notice how fast you're going, and suggest that if you want an escape attempt to go even faster, just turn on every condition of the pact of punishment as high as they will go.
tiny grove
I wish they used hypnos' waking animation
for the game's loading screen
just put his wakeup on loop
dark root
Thinking that Hypnos is sleep incarnate
high island
Lady Aphrodite is the main character.
dark root
Then the chances that it was all a dream ain't that low
tiny grove
I just finally understood why in mythology
Thanatos and Hypnos were brothers
because Sleeping is kinda similar to Death
omg
gusty slate
brisk trail
no, because they have the same mom
high island
^
tiny grove
lel
dark root
True
high island
Somebody who gets it.
brisk trail
this face, but re-imagined as nicholas cage
vast dagger
You don’t say?
dark root
He do say
brisk trail
gusty slate
=
brisk trail
I think it would be like that
dark root
tiny grove
I'm surprised someone hasn't already deepfaked Nicodusa
tulip wing
@high island i am the final boss
gusty slate
tiny grove
Medu-Cage?
dark root
Bouldy, noooo
brisk trail
nicodusa best waifu
dark root
high island
@tulip wing you're a pushover, though.
dark root
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
tulip wing
@high island well i am a boulder so literally yes ur right
dark root
you're a pushover, though.
Sisyphus know that well, though he kinda went over it
woeful lotus
you know sisy have the best attitude honestly i wish i could stay that positive
tulip wing
me too what a nice guy
dark root
For someone that is eternally trying to push a bolder to the top of a mountain
And never getting to do it
jovial slate
He's just trying to get meg to notice bouldy
gusty slate
Sisyphus' task and Zag's are similar
jovial slate
Bouldy has a crush on Meg and is shy so Sisyphus is his wingman
woeful lotus
yeah but zag is sassy all the time
tulip wing
The plot thickens
woeful lotus
Meg gets around
dark root
Is bouldy's crush
jovial slate
than being sassy to zag makes me mad until he whines about how i am making things weird
then all is forgiven
dark root
And Sisyphus is technically Bouldy's best friend
gusty slate
Maxed out bond
brisk trail
maybe bouldy doesn't like sisyphus at all
jovial slate
don't say that
gusty slate
... expresses many emotions
dark root
And Meg mistreats Sis
brisk trail
is really internally screaming
jovial slate
sis doesn't do anything because it's for his bro bouldy
gusty slate
Well, all the Furies and even Than mess with Sisy, no?
tulip wing
bouldy likes to watch
dark root
Well, all the Furies and even Than mess with Sisy, no?
Yes
jovial slate
he's not gonna stop bouldy from getting some action because meg likes mistreating him
dark root
jovial slate
come to think of it
woeful lotus
a true bro
dark root
He's probably used to it lol
jovial slate
Bouldy probably likes watching Sis get a good whipping :\
meg is freaky
bouldy is freaky
dark root
I mean both are used to the whip
jovial slate
weirdest power couple
gusty slate
redbloods really do have interesting conversations...
gusty slate
jovial slate
no
cobalt haven
wgahsjf just beat theseus and the minotaur on first try,,,
tiny grove
Praise Bouldy
jovial slate
congrats meg
tulip wing
@cobalt haven nice!
tiny grove
gratz! I died
dark root
Lol I died against the bull in the mini boss fight
tiny grove
I also died to him 3 times in a row.
tulip wing
when you get the hang of the attack patterns its a breeze but at first its so hard to get use to
dark root
I once had a really good build but I needed to eave so my run got lost
tiny grove
||Learning to dash through pillars|| is the real trick
Notice that a lot of the boss moves used are actually the combined movesets of the Act's enemies
like Theseus is part bowman, part shield
Asterius is like the chariots
dark root
I know that you can continue runs when you have the quit option on the pause menu
jovial slate
i hate the shields so much
dark root
I only had Give Up
tiny grove
you counter the shields the same way for the shieldbearer as Theseus
woeful lotus
theres alot of options to just negate the shields tho
jovial slate
I'm aware
tiny grove
so you can practice your tactics against those enemies
jovial slate
I still hate them.
woeful lotus
all the jumping ones in asphodel are worse imo
tiny grove
I think the main reason I'm fine with shieldbearers as opposed to other act 3 enemies
is you can use range advantage well against them
swarms of ranged units make me much more scared
jovial slate
go shield
tiny grove
yes, shield does trivialise a lot of the game
jovial slate
Shield is my preferred lazy way to clear
tiny grove
but the shield guys can't do anything to shield anyway
jovial slate
It's super hard on Hades imho
but you can take out wretches and other bosses pretty easily
tulip wing
what are the aspects of the shield like, havent really got round to using them yet
jovial slate
Zeus, Chaos, ???
tulip wing
or what are your opinions on them i mean
tiny grove
I feel that shield is one of the best weapons for clearing ||Hades||
tiny grove
I think Zeus is stronger than Chaos, but a bit harder to use
Well, shield can block all of his beams
for one
jovial slate
The beams are not what I have trouble with
tulip wing
i had an amazing shield run where i was just firing lazers at enemies while blocking every attack
woeful lotus
you need to learn to play around the Zeus aspect
jovial slate
what do you build on chaos
tiny grove
I've had almost full hp clears on final fight
normally you need to find the right thing to put on your special
dio is good, demeter can be good but it's more defensible
jovial slate
I put Zeus on there but I hated it
woeful lotus
aphro works aswell
tiny grove
his single target isn't the best
shield can have single target problems if you don't build towards it
woeful lotus
if you run demeter you can get the perma jolted with the dash or on the attack
tiny grove
Chaos shield's roomclear is just noncommittally good because fundamentally you could just beat every room by bullrushing on spot and specialing
till the room dies
Zeus shield on the other hand, I think is very strong, but a bit tricky to learn to use
woeful lotus
its a aquired taste id say
tiny grove
The best part about it is when your Blitz disk is active, you can still attack as normal
unlike Chaos shield
if you're throwing the special, you can't attack or block
woeful lotus
ME works very well with that
hearty gazelle
Was "Thunder-God's Fury" renamed to something else? I see a few references to the boon "Thunder God's Fury" in the wiki, but can't find any details about the boon in the wiki, so I'm wondering if it was renamed to something else in a patch
sharp fossil
was that the former name for Zeus’ Aid?
hearty gazelle
that sounds plausible. The reference in the wiki to the old name is in the "How to play":
Zeus: His wrath ability, Thunder God's Fury, is a very high damaging AoE ability, despite its lengthy charge, and is worth running if you need additional multi-target damage.
sharp fossil
I know the “[X god]’s Aid” boons used to have different names, and it looks like the wiki page for Thunder God’s Fury redirects to Zeus’ Aid so I suspect that’s what’s happened
yeah makes sense
that description matches Zeus’ Aid
astral swift
Wot da song that plays in ||Greece||
carmine ravine
in/at the coast
astral swift
Ty 
carmine ravine
lo-fi morning music
astral swift
Yith
So....
Uh....
I dunno how long it's been since I had this game....I think it was around October 22nd.... finally got to check my switch hours for it expecting 15 or so hours (log time).... it’s 55
which is smol on a general scale but like...I wasn't expecting that
sharp fossil
that’s a lot for like 2 weeks lol
astral swift
totally don't have a problem
sharp fossil
don’t worry; we all have that problem here
foggy orbit
For real. I got it for Switch about a month ago and checked the other day to find I’ve logged 95 hours so far, lol
astral swift
Supergiant must know they've created a mini addiction
hollow halo
wait
hear me out here
yknow the meme with perry the platypus and the hat
||that but with patroclus||
||"a mysterious stranger?"||
||patty with achilles||
||"Patty the mysterious stranger???"||
astral swift
:0
||That's how they'll get him to sneak back into the House of Hades||
Make him work in the back of the office, Hades will never notice
molten nymph
i'm finally able to replace the weird crystal pillar with the statues
those things been bothering me for a while now
gusty stratus
absolutely wretched tweet for u guys today
sick mortar
isnt that sissypus
gusty slate
wicked kayak
When are they gonna Add 5120x1440p in the game?
jovial slate
when they feel like it
astral swift
Whenever Sissyphus and Bouldy stop dropping frames with their power
jovial slate
may be a long time though
manic bobcat
When are they gonna Add 5120x1440p in the game?
Honestly I doubt they would ever support such a resolution.
jovial slate
^
manic bobcat
But doesn't the new NVIDIA card support really upscaling now though?
jovial slate
I was going to say that but I didn't want to get your hopes down lol\
manic bobcat
My hope is that if you can afford such a monitor, you can probably afford an RTX 3080, also 😄
ocean aurora
When the Switch gets its patch(es), will they be the same incremental patches the PC has been getting? Or would they be combined into a single Switch patch?
ocean aurora
Same. I've got a boatload of hours on the Switch, but ever since I saw some videos of the PC version, I want to get it on Steam for the crisper art. But I can't start over! Well I could...
Honestly I'm curious how hard a first run would be on a new save, without darkness and aspects and keepsakes. I could dump my darkness of course, but I don't think there's a way to take a fresh weapon or skip out on a keepsake, that I know of.
gusty slate
It's a bit harder, but it's nice to do a new save and see how much you've improved
ocean aurora
Yeah. Initially I thought it all came down to time invested and unlocked abilities, but I've since come to realize there is a lot of skill/learning involved. I know the boss fights in and out, and have solid strategies on room choices. No unlocks for that!
fierce lichen
Is there any keepsake that starts you with a Daedalus hammer, or no?
high island
No.
fierce lichen
rip
Another question, what's the criteria for me to start being able to take new bounties with the Pact? I'm currently locked at one heat.
ocean aurora
Just beating it at one heat, right? No? Maybe I've already forgotten.
high island
You need to clear Heat 1 or higher to get bounties from Heat 2, yes.
fierce lichen
Actually it's at 2 now, although I've already escaped once with the Pact. Made it to ||Hades|| but died like twice yesterday so
I guess getting out of ||Styx|| is technically enough
astral swift
Spoilers
high island
That boss is a spoiler in this channel. 
fierce lichen
fixed sorry
turbid turtle
Anyone want to hangout and race for fun?
astral swift
Stares in 40 minute average runs
high island
It's not enough to get out of the Temple of Styx. You need to clear the game at each heat (or higher) to collect bounties for the next heat.
tulip wing
is max heat possible?
manic bobcat
Anyone want to hangout and race for fun?
@turbid turtle there is a want to race channel in the Hades speedrunning server. Have you checked that out yet?
is max heat possible?
technically yes
turbid turtle
I havent! Drop me a link friend
tulip wing
max heat race anyone? 🍴
turbid turtle
down
tulip wing
i didnt mean the knife and fork haha
and i would probably lose in the first room hahaha
manic bobcat
the ultimate die%
astral swift
Bouldy are you planning on eating your opponent?
tulip wing
ummm starts sweating
random fable
Anyone knows when the switch will get the new patch update?
ocean aurora
Some time between "dang it when?!" and "not soon enough oh maaaaan!" 
ocean aurora
If any of you look back at your early Hades play, say the first 10 runs or so, did you have any flukes where instead of steady progression, you made it abnormally far?
I don't think I had made it out of Asphodel yet or maybe even Tartarus, but on my 5th run I somehow made it all the way to the satyrs. After which it was back to the steady progression and I don't think I made it back to the Satyrs until maybe somewhere in the teen runs.
astral swift
It took me about 25-30 runs to beat ||Asterius and Thesius|| once and then like from run 37 I was getting to ||Hades|| consistently
So... uh I'm not that great but am proud
tulip wing
it took me a while too its a learning curve i guess
when u learn how the boses work and their attack patterns
its a lot easier
to predict
dodge
and SMASH THEM
ocean aurora
I'd have to check my exact numbers. I just remember that weird fluke of an early almost successful run. I know the crutch of the run was the shield and the hammer upgrade that makes it fly faster and do double damage when you dash-throw it. I guess I was able to dish out steady damage while staying at safe distances. The satyr poison was the curve ball that ended the run.
astral swift
Ye and avoiding getting that that "Boss has like 5HP left lemme just spam attack to victory" then getting nuked out of existence randomly- scenario
tulip wing
Satyrs are pretty annoying to deal with
i just bait out their attacks and then go in and rinse and repeat
but the first time
was just
meh
i died too
astral swift
I struggle sometimes cuz they delay a sec before they spit
The Crystals up there are my least fave tho
tulip wing
oh don't get me started on the crystals haha
fierce lichen
Are there any must-have boons if I want to have a fun shield throw run with the Aspect of Chaos? I took a look through all the duos but there's surprisingly nothing that affects Specials at all
fierce lichen
been trying for the multi hammer but no luck yet 😦
astral swift
Rng do be like dat
tribal willow
what the heck
i had a double boon room
and had to fight with
demeter
and died like 3 times
fierce lichen
lmao
tribal willow
why is she so much stronger
tulip wing
so good
fierce lichen
honestly in multi boon rooms I find that aphrodite is disproportionately weaker than any other option to fight against
if I get the option I always take her second
tulip wing
i guess im fortunate to not have gone against demeter yet
fierce lichen
have you seen ||theseus|| use her
it's the same thing
large ice storms
annoying as hell
tribal willow
was the first time i ever had trouble in a double boon room
and she just melted me 3 times
fierce lichen
I had trouble with artemis before but I mostly wasn't expecting how fast it'd be
jovial slate
@tulip wing Never go against Demeter
or Aphro lol, just my opinion
When ||Theseus|| uses Demeter it's super annoying
fierce lichen
is aphro that hard for other people? I just keep kiting the heart
jovial slate
It's annoying in Elysium.
Especially when you're trying to kill the shieldbros and you are getting hit like crazy due to Aphro
fierce lichen
shields in general can screw off
tulip wing
i find splash damage is good against them
but if you dont have that
ehhh they are 'fun'
fierce lichen
I'd imagine it would be but I find that I only really see them when I'm running stuff like the bow
which makes it super annoying
tulip wing
i had it with rail and i had one of the hammers which turned my attack into a massive bomb
i forgot the na,e
name
but i just melted them
vague viper
i find aphro way more annoying than like, ares
tulip wing
including the boss of that biome
vague viper
or athena
brisk trail
It is now the ICBM-bow
astral swift
Hue hue
I got the epic boon where Athena's deflect does 199% more damage 
all I need is her Divine Dash this will be my best game ever
Can you imagine if I die
I think I'll go into a state of depression
carmine ravine
why would u happy for the epic boon?
astral swift
should I be sad?
carmine ravine
i mean if u are used in deflecting atks and be dependant on that sure, but i think u should try to get athena legend boon instead
which is the more deflect dmg is a pre requisite
torpid dome
I often question if hades is a rouguelike or a date sim. considering the amborisa system
astral swift
Well I didnae get the legendary option
astral swift
It's a Simp Simulator
torpid dome
that's fair
artemis plez bless me with your crits I'll give you drugs
well, I just it's more honey than drug but...
quaint hatch
No
No it is
torpid dome
that explains why everyone seems to like it
but yeah those sweet sweet crits are very handy to ahve
carmine ravine
i want her instead
late cliff
how long did u all take to get first win?
quaint hatch
Idk like 23/24
brisk trail
10 runs I'd say
sonic ridge
33
vague viper
abt 20 i think
solemn nest
I don't remember how many runs, but it was the 5th time I fought ||Hades||
sonic ridge
And it's all been great since
quaint hatch
Tag please
brisk trail
Yeah same
quaint hatch
|| both sides
late cliff
ive hit 10runs and still havent faced hades XD
quaint hatch
Boss name is spoiler
solemn nest
sorry
brisk trail
@late cliff don't worry the more you play the more you get better
rich ivy
facing hades wait what
sonic ridge
bruh
quaint wind
@late cliff please ||spoiler yeah or change the lady boss's name||
quaint hatch
@late cliff @rich ivy please tag
cobalt haven
im bad at these types of game lol
quaint hatch
Who cares m8
Everyone at their pace
brisk trail
Hades is not an easy game when you start playing roguelikes though
tulip wing
this was my first rogue like and i gotta say it was so hard getting to the last boss but when you get the hang of it, it gets even more fun
adrenaline
tiny grove
Definitely not. But I think Hades is the best game
brisk trail
Yeah exactly haha
fathom flume
I had the most perfect poseidon sword run, hermes lege, artemis lege, zeus epic cast, duo poseidon zeus and exit wound epic, cast pommed to 7, everything went so well.. god damn satyr sack in the last room and cost me my PB 
Also got censored by the bot when typing this. This is pain peko
tiny grove
losing to RNG in STS can seriously tilt me sometimes
quaint hatch
Sts what?
brisk trail
How can you lose to Rng anyway?
solemn nest
I was thinking Stupid Temple of Styx
tiny grove
xD
cobalt haven
lol
quaint hatch
Oh slay the spire
quaint hatch
Well outside of hades you can usually get fricked by rng
fathom flume
How can you lose to Rng anyway?
I think my message just a bit above can be considered losing to rng, but that's more like curb stomped by rng at that point lmao
cobalt haven
at least i got the fishing rod today. very cool very nice
tiny grove
RNG isn't that big of a deal in Hades no
not saying there are 0 scenarios where RNG can't curse you
but it's very limited
quaint hatch
Only way you can lose to rng in hades is 5 sack with TD2 and up
sonic ridge
sack5 is suffering
quaint hatch
Only with TD
sonic ridge
TD
Never ever
brisk trail
Hades is a game of choices so there's no Rng, you decide your own future lol
quaint hatch
TD1 is basically free heat
solemn nest
I'm most annoyed at RNG for not giving me Sisyphus, after I see him I'll have all the achievements and I can move on to transistor
sonic ridge
Ok fast rock
quaint hatch
That's so free
quaint hatch
36 freaking minutes
sonic ridge
My record is 47 ok
astral swift
TD? Which one is that?
sonic ridge
Tight Deadlines
fathom flume
Sometimes I wish there could be something to make satyr sack a bit more tolerable so I don't have to cut my record all sad when I'm done with a run that went really well up till that point and lose a PB because the satyrs are twats
vague viper
i thought i was slow averaging like 30
sonic ridge
I like to take my time
fathom flume
It's actually kinda fine
solemn nest
I have no idea how I got my best time (about 18), I wasn't even using lambent plume
vague viper
I take my time too, I dont really understand how I could go much slower
astral swift
I always instinctively look around because I had the uhhh keepsake where there are hearts in urns and now I can't stop
sonic ridge
by hiding and dangerously cheesing
fathom flume
TD isn't that terrible, it adds up the remaining time each floor which usually give you a 8 minutes Elysium, at that point you should be mostly ok with your build
fathom flume
Also TD disable the "survival" room on the first floor !
vague viper
nah its 9 minutes per floor and it rolls over
quaint hatch
Sometimes I wish there could be something to make satyr sack a bit more tolerable so I don't have to cut my record all sad when I'm done with a run that went really well up till that point and lose a PB because the satyrs are twats
@fathom flume eh, it's the fairest rng component in any roguelike I played
astral swift
Noice
brisk trail
Tight deadlines is ok I think. I play really fast even whithout TD so that's kinda easy
sonic ridge
survive room is fine though
quaint hatch
It doesn't roll over
It adds
brisk trail
Plus you can pause the game lol
vague viper
usually i have like 15+ minutes by elysium
sonic ridge
said the fella with the hermes pfp
brisk trail
Gotta go fast
quaint hatch
I mean if a rock plays it surely y'all are fast enough
fathom flume
Some people don't like the survival rooms ( I think they aren't really.. engagin ? ) but they have no impact on a speedrun since they pause the game timer
astral swift
I think I'd still be intimidated by TD cuz of the pair in Elysium... if I don't have a good build I go slower
sonic ridge
I'm walking 'ere
quaint hatch
Ye survival boring
solemn nest
Elysium boss takes FOREVER
quaint hatch
I think I'd still be intimidated by TD cuz of the pair in Elysium... if I don't have a good build I go slower
@astral swift as long as you're runs are under 36 mins you're gucci
brisk trail
Survival gives you gold
vague viper
I mean... I guess if u have bad builds then it could be a thing? but like, why are u building bad builds
astral swift
My PB is 40 minutes
quaint hatch
But it's boring asfk
fathom flume
8 minutes the first level of TD right ?
brisk trail
Yeah
quaint hatch
9
fathom flume
9, so yea
astral swift
I mean... I guess if u have bad builds then it could be a thing? but like, why are u building bad builds
Because....rng is never on my side....
quaint hatch
I.e. 36 mins
fathom flume
You probably go faster than that without realizing it anyway
even if you take it slow
vague viper
do u not have rerolls?
astral swift
Not yet I don't;-;
brisk trail
@astral swift if you simp the gods you can start with the one you want
fathom flume
and, yea, the time left carry over, so I guess you can have 15 minutes for elysium without really trying
quaint hatch
Even without rerolls you have dark foresight and gods keepsakes
solemn nest
dark foresight is dumb, I want gems and darkness
vague viper
I mean, as long as u are using keepsakes to force the gods u need, you should be able to avoid bad builds if u avoid taking poopy boons on ur core stuff
fathom flume
Eh, boon rng is fine ( except when zeus just doesn't let me have the double thunder chance that twat )
quaint hatch
I rather have fun builds
solemn nest
I need a fancy house tho
astral swift
Well ye I know thatttt but like... sometimes... like say I use Poseidon- I'd get all his non-combat boons
fathom flume
Like I said the only thing I have a problem with is Satyr rng, and that's mostly cause I speedrun and do high heat with TD maxed
quaint hatch
I ready have
quaint hatch
After 150 hours or so lol
brisk trail
It do be like that sometimes u_u
quaint hatch
Like I said the only thing I have a problem with is Satyr rng, and that's mostly cause I speedrun and do high heat with TD maxed
@fathom flume oh now I remember you xD
quaint hatch
No hard feelings xD
fathom flume
Never was any lad
solemn nest
I have a pretty fancy house, but it needs to be fancier
quaint hatch
I don't want to take it from ya
Maybe I'm used to worse from other games lol
I have a pretty fancy house, but it needs to be fancier
@solemn nest agreed
fathom flume
Nah, it's just my case is specific to a certain type of run, satyr sack rng is perfectly fine in every other case
astral swift
I have a pretty fancy house, but it needs to be fancier
I cannae wait till I get to put petals everywhere Dad shall be pissed but
fathom flume
I explained my point terribly last time 
quaint hatch
Nah, it's just my case is specific to a certain type of run, satyr sack rng is perfectly fine in every other case
@fathom flume I mean in high heat runs withTD3 it sucks having a good chance to throw the run away because the game decides too
So I get your point in that
fathom flume
It do be like that sometimes
quaint hatch
It's not something I'd want to experience
solemn nest
63 heat is not fun
quaint hatch
I'd trust myself getting td 2 done
But tight timers like td3 give me anxiety
63 heat is not fun
@solemn nest also no one did it yet
fathom flume
But I've got a sub 10 minutes run so now I just take it like "eh, the gods will be on my side next time"
solemn nest
I died on the second room
sonic ridge
why would you go 63 heat 
quaint hatch
Fun
solemn nest
because you can
fathom flume
Ye want a pro tips ? Take Eris aspect with zeus on attack, you'll be zoomin'
quaint hatch
Ik
sonic ridge
"honey, it's 5pm, time for you 63 heat run"
quaint hatch
That's what I got the 18 with without trying xD
fathom flume
50 heats run are already hell
quaint hatch
What heat was you're sub 10 on?
fathom flume
9, EM2 and FO2
fathom flume
EM2 so the hydra heads spawn closer and FO2 for fast spawns and tokyo drift asterius in Elysium
God damnit bot
fathom flume
tokyo drift asterius in Elysium
When he turns on FO2 he just zooms at a 180 angle
fathom flume
Nah he just fast, EM3 for speedrun sounds like hell
fathom flume
I already can't stand him spinning without forced overtime, can't imagine him doing it 40% faster
quaint hatch
But FO2 is a different story ofc
The spin weirdly throws me off
When I'm close I sometimes don't realize it for some reason
fathom flume
When you have the fists and asterius starts spinning for 3 hours and you stand her like
quartz flume
Just had an infernal trove but enemies kept spawning for some time, is it ok? Halved my gemstones down
brisk trail
uhhh
quaint hatch
That's
Like the point
Of troves
Enemies spawn
The faster you kill them
The more rewards you get
faint flume
so
Does Zag wear the spiked collar or just hold onto it
because the former is cursed
faint flume
true
brisk trail
It certainly wouldn't be a health bonus
quartz flume
Yeah, I know. It's just that before they would spawn once, I kill them, done. Now they kept spawning as I killed them
quartz flume
Aight, thanks
quaint hatch
Best of luck
half mica
Is ambrosia for 500 darkness worth it?
quaint hatch
Imo not really
alpine fulcrum
i'd say so but it depends where you're at with the mirror
andh ow much you care about themes or whatever
quaint hatch
I'd take the deal once but not multiple times
alpine fulcrum
dont put off buying DD for it or anything
half mica
Ok I'm only on 2 death defiances
And 500 puts me onto the third
So take the deal once?
ripe herald
how do I get the death defiance from Chaos??
manic bobcat
you need a boon from him first, any one
ripe herald
it's the last thing on my fates
quaint hatch
Get very very lucky
quaint hatch
Welcome to hades
ripe herald
Welcome to hades
@quaint hatch thank u-u
ty for the advicee
I just thought I might be doing something wrong
quaint hatch
Best o luck!
Took me like 70 runs to get chaos legendary
And I take him every time I can
Nah you just need a boon from him as prereq
manic bobcat
I'm at 310 hours
quaint hatch
I've only seen it twice in like 130 hours of playtime
manic bobcat
Still haven;'t gotten Fully Loaded
ripe herald
yeah, I get boons from them (then not get the DD)
ripe herald
what's fully loaded?
manic bobcat
it's not that hard to get, not anymore
devout wigeon
does something happen when you clear at 20/32 heat? those seem to be the big milestones for some reason
manic bobcat
I just never look for it
does something happen when you clear at 20/32 heat? those seem to be the big milestones for some reason
yes, there is a quest called "Useless Trinket" I think
quaint hatch
You get rewards for 18/16/32 I believe
manic bobcat
well, "rewards"
quaint hatch
Psshhhht don't spoil the awesome reward
ripe herald
hides
devout wigeon
hmmmmm
brisk trail
hides
devout wigeon
32 with one weapon or 32 all?
manic bobcat
one, any
ripe herald
i'm smol brain im sorry, I'll never do it again
quaint hatch
Haha
All
Nice
devout wigeon
“Hides” pronounced “hye-dees”
manic bobcat
quaint hatch
Omg just got legendary for the third time lol
In the run right after this chat
Too bad I don't really need it lol
green jungle
Than and zag are sitting on a bench. What are they talking about? Looking for inspiration
solemn nest
mort
ripe herald
Than and zag are sitting on a bench. What are they talking about? Looking for inspiration
@green jungle ohhh inspiration for what??
quaint hatch
Dirty stuff
green jungle
@green jungle ohhh inspiration for what??
@ripe herald
Oh well u know me all I do is art
Just some Bois chillin
void vigil
and lets keep it sfw 
rough ivy
I had a dream that hermes was doing stand-up comedy with some guy from Heaven i think? Idk hermes looked like a real person not a drawing and was east asian 
Any of yall ever dream of the game?
green jungle
Oh yes xD yesterday
Zag was watching me sleep that was weird
Also I have finished the thing I shall post it in fan works
ripe herald
@green jungle show me when u finishhh owo
green jungle
I tagg u in fan works
astral swift
and lets keep it sfw :maybe_so:
@void vigil
Gib emote
quaint hatch
Please
astral swift
I was gonna say I'm scared to do some ||Pact of Punishment|| stuff but I realized... death is so rewarding that I'm not scared of dying
brisk trail
||There is no issue||
quaint hatch
Use TD1 free ||heat||
astral swift
:0 ju right mate
I picked the one where you gotta ||remove a boon after|| I'm just hoping my bad rng works out for me
brisk trail
DC is cool too
astral swift
I'm staring at all these acronyms and honestly.... I dunno JS
cosmic stone
You guys know the thing on the left side of your screen when you play that shows all your boobs and stuff. I’ve watched people and some of their’s is purple. How do you do that?
astral swift
That's the rarity of their boob boon, no?
quaint hatch
You'll unlock it with some time
cosmic stone
I MEANT BOON
quaint hatch
Finish the story
quaint hatch
It shows up randomly
It'll appear at work orders at the house contractor
||themes||
quaint hatch
Yeah that's it
quaint hatch
It changes a lot
You can see it when pressing - or after winning
Some are more obvious the others
The ||love|| one f.e.
quaint hatch
Ik that one is o subtle for some reason
cosmic stone
Btw what counts as a standard keepsake in Hades?
Is that just every keepsake except the ||legendary|| ones?
cosmic stone
Since I’m trying to get the achievement
I only have that and I need aspect of gilgamesh then I’ll have every achievement
quaint hatch
Just keepsakes
tepid plover
^
cosmic stone
K
I was just wondering if it counted god keepsakes
I have 120 hours on the game
I only bought it when 1.0 came out. I’m addicted.
quiet gull
Since I’m trying to get the achievement
@cosmic stone For the last keepsakes ||you need to see the credits first||
cosmic stone
I have
quiet gull
The achievment is for trying them on, though, not just having them. Though I think just putting them on in the weapons rooms counts
cosmic stone
I’m working on maxing them all out
quiet gull
As that is how I got the cheevo
quiet gull
Ah, you're right
cosmic stone
Since there was one where you just had to wear them.
sonic ridge
aye, cheevo needs all at 3
quiet gull
Well, then you should know what the game considers keepsakes!
cosmic stone
I was just wondering since god keepsakes might have not counted
Even if ||legendary|| keepsakes mattered I’ve maxed all of em out anyway bc I’m the coolest. 
indigo canopy
there are only 1 types of keepsake
quiet gull
Those are called companions
cosmic stone
Same thing
indigo canopy
thats the trinkets you get for gifting one nectar
quiet gull
Nope!
cosmic stone
I’ve heard it been called legendary keepsakes
quiet gull
You heard wrong info then
indigo canopy
6 ||companians|| for gifting 1 ambrosia
sonic ridge
they are just called that due to how you acquire them
cosmic stone
The ||Antos|| one took me ages to get
stone gulch
hold up
cosmic stone
?
stone gulch
runs can start with daedelus hammers?
cosmic stone
Yes.
stone gulch
lit
cosmic stone
If you have a god boon equipped you will get it shortly after that room.
cosmic stone
Nice
Okay
So I have this amazing idea
What about you get the ||companions|| and make em into real life plushies
I’d buy a ||Mort plushie|| bro.
stone gulch
achilles is a thirsty boy how much do i need to feed him to get him to give me ||the ant thingy||
runic temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSvclSkmdyY
Hoping that Hades can get some accessibility options for the hearing and color impaired, rather than just "God Mode" which is GREAT! but doesn't address accessibility needs.
stone gulch
any way to reset the titan blood i've spent on weapons
cosmic stone
Nope
I’ve tried believe me
Literally me when I spent Titan Blood on the Zeus Shield
runic temple
@stone gulch nope, choose wisely. || Try out the unleveled version of a weapon before investing ||
@cosmic stone consider spoiler text?
cosmic stone
Why?
quaint hatch
Nah not needed
cosmic stone
It’s pretty early in the game you see it
quaint hatch
Apsects aside from the secret ones aren't spoilers
cosmic stone
Yeee
quaint hatch
Also you'll unlock all aspects either way with time
runic temple
Fair enough, I am pretty broad on what I think is a spoiler
stone gulch
im excited to see what the ||sword hidden aspect is||
indigo canopy
what is the chance of getting the chaos legendary boon
quaint hatch
Very low
runic temple
Like, if it's not in the game by default, it's a kind of spoiler, but I agree it is a very light one.
quaint hatch
I'm 130 hrs into the game and take chaos almost every run
So far seen it 3 times
half mica
Non spoiler advice for advancing questlines?
quaint hatch
Like, if it's not in the game by default, it's a kind of spoiler, but I agree it is a very light one.
@runic temple everything past styx and first clear is a spoiler
cosmic stone
And you can test out maxed out aspects! Get 18 Titan blood. Max out the weapon. Test it on Skelly. Exit the game. (Don’t exit to go back into your room). Re-enter and you’ll have your Titan blood back. Also you can enter the underworld using this then give up then exit out of the game then go back in.
runic temple
@half mica Keep playing, think about what that character might care about
cosmic stone
Non spoiler advice for advancing questlines?
Equip Stubborn defiance and kill yourself
That’s what I did.
quaint hatch
Non spoiler advice for advancing questlines?
@half mica talk to them a lot
Progress their relationships
half mica
Ok so just talk as much as possible
quaint hatch
It's mostly
runic temple
@quaint hatch I like that criteria myself, which is why I think some weapon aspects are spoilers, but I apologize if I am coming off as overbearing. Not trying to win any convos here. I think you have a pretty valid view point.
cosmic stone
I usually just died so I could give em nectar and stuff faster
quaint hatch
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
runic temple
@half mica keep talking at every chance, also some requirements are based in criteria thematic to that character.
quaint hatch
@quaint hatch I like that criteria myself, which is why I think some weapon aspects are spoilers, but I apologize if I am coming off as overbearing. Not trying to win any convos here. I think you have a pretty valid view point.
@runic temple what I'm stating is the current rules on spoilers in #h1-for-new-players which applies a bit less here afaik
runic temple
Fair enough, yeah I wasn't thinking about the distinction between this and the new player channel.
quaint hatch
No worries
indigo canopy
man, ived used gods legacy, the posei/dio boon that makes boons epic at least and used all fated persuasion and still didnt get chaos defiance
runic temple
but, do agree with that guideline given that zeus is beyond first clear, but I am not trying to defend that, just making a distinction for my own needs.
cosmic stone
They mean the aspect.
quaint hatch
Well that's not how it works
indigo canopy
He's likely the first god you meet
@quaint hatch its always athena
quaint hatch
Everyone unlocks aspects as a different pace
Well Frick me
Too long ago I started my first run
Just because you unlocked zeus after first clear doesn't mean others will
cosmic stone
Uhhh you can only get aspects after unlocking every weapon
You can’t get that much keys first run.
quaint hatch
First clear means first time you beat the game
If it were first run you couldn't even talk about the mirror switches
stone gulch
i feel like the mirror swaps are minor spoilers
if you just say the names i dont see it as spoiler
cosmic stone
Ohhhg
quaint hatch
They aren't
quaint hatch
Jesus do we have to discuss every little thing now
gusty slate
One can argue everything is a spoiler, but that's fine
quaint hatch
Love zeus aspect
Yeah but there's an official policy on spoilers
And that's what matters
faint flume
zeus aspect with zeus on the special is just nice
cobalt haven
Yay i caught my first fish
faint flume
nice
quaint hatch
I'm not gonna knock anyone for being extra considerate
But don't knock others for the same as long as they're abiding
quaint hatch
He's dead before the minotaur
gusty slate
Probably just yells noooo!
quaint hatch
That's the other way around
gusty slate
Or something similar to what Theseus does when Asterius goes down
faint flume
Asterius says stuff like "King!" and all that
gusty slate
So no drastic change to the fight itself
faint flume
is it just me or was theseus and the minotaur the first real roadblock after getting used to the games basic mechanics?
stone gulch
ye
faint flume
because I died to those two so many times to start off
stone gulch
that fight was rough
gusty slate
roadblocks all over, but that's one a lot of people run into yeah
cosmic stone
I’m pretty sure it’s made to make it so you can’t get past on your first try
gusty slate
You can
cosmic stone
Or at least the game tries its best to
quaint hatch
It isn't
cosmic stone
I know
quaint hatch
You can first try the whole game
gusty slate
Oh you mean intentional oh sorry
cosmic stone
Yeee
quaint hatch
Well why do you say something different then
cosmic stone
It’s fine
gusty slate
English hard
cosmic stone
idk :\
quaint hatch
faint flume
sonic ridge
first trying must be awkward
faint flume
I'd die for bouldy
cosmic stone
Bruh just first try it then refund the game
quaint hatch
Who cares about the Story
faint flume
he's just incredibly surprised
stone gulch
i like Asterius way more than theseus
cosmic stone
So does everyone
gusty slate
On fresh save, first run? there might be a line from Zag
cosmic stone
Sadly I’m pretty sure Hades says the same stuff
gusty slate
Well yeah, Hades doesn't get out of his chair
faint flume
@stone gulch really? Theseus is clearly more likable
gusty slate
Always yelling at us for something
quaint hatch
@stone gulch really? Theseus is clearly more likable
@faint flume out
cosmic stone
True
faint flume
lmao
stone gulch
wait there are heroic rarity boons
gusty slate
Yeah
cosmic stone
Yes
quaint hatch
No
gusty slate
Very specific ways to grab em though
faint flume
legendary and duo boons are the only special ones
well it's either get stuff that upgrades rank
or have something replace an epic qualities slot
such as an epic attack boon getting replaced by another attack boon
floral glacier
Can get heroic if u are lucky with Euridice's 3rd reward or Rare Crop which is neat!
Or Euridice hitting the upgrade on epic boons I guess
astral swift
Hypnos' RNG is killing me stop talking about how I died and gib me moar
floral glacier
Which one is that sorry? The upgrade random 2 or the other one?
tepid plover
The other one
floral glacier
Ok thanks! 🙂
next sonnet
Where should i post a cosplay i found
austere stag
either #fan-works or #self-promotion would be my guess
green jungle
I broke my mouse while playing hades
This game make me buy another and im happy because its ABOUT time
quaint hatch
Break everything else while you're at it
green jungle
i wish
astral swift
So do you have to raise the ||heat to 8|| for the ||statue in your...courtyard..?||
Also Zag has it pretty good if he gets all that space for himself
quaint hatch
You have to beat a run on 8 yeah
topaz minnow
have they added cross save yet? I saw in the faq it said october
astral swift
Nuo not yet
gusty slate
#announcements delayed
tepid plover
In another announcement they said the October thing couldn't be added sadly
topaz minnow
damn, do they have an estimated time?
quaint hatch
No
topaz minnow
ok thanks
real skiff
||uh, question about Dusa's storyline||
||I need to help her with the lounge renovation||
||what does that exactly mean?||
||do I just spam cosmetics in the lounge?||
astral swift
S-spoiler tag plz
tepid plover
Yes
real skiff
sorry, didn't know this was considered spoilers
quaint hatch
You need to at least renovate cerberus damages
And buy a certain number of miscellaneous other cosmetic upgrades
astral swift
I dunno if it is considered spoilers but I figured out of courtesy
quaint hatch
Yo how's your drawing going?
astral swift
played Hades instead I finished sketching the hand and then got trapped in a loop of drawing-redrawing facial features on a separate page until I'm impressed, then I fell asleep
cobalt haven
ughh my game lagged rlly hard and crashed during the theseus and asterius fight :(
astral swift
Oh nuo :<
dense spoke
Yo, I gotta say. My favorite npc has to be Dusa
cobalt haven
had a worse run when i booted it up again 😔
quaint hatch
played Hades insteadI finished sketching the hand and then got trapped in a loop of drawing-redrawing facial features on a separate page until I'm impressed, then I fell asleep
@astral swift it's good that you have standard with your own art m8
Perfectionism is the killer of productivity tho
astral swift
had a worse run when i booted it up again 😔
I hope things turn around for you
@astral swift it's good that you have standard with your own art m8
Perfectionism is the killer of productivity tho
I knowwwwor move onto staring into space
astral swift
Am trying to do all the stuff at need to get done with sooner so I can spend the rest of the night drawing
floral glacier
How difficult is EM4? i've done up to 3 and heat 20 runs. Mostly end up having 200+ health with all 3 defiances on Hades fights
gusty slate
That's alot of spoiler
Redacted prime is pretty tough imo, but I haven't memorized all the battle yet
Cheesed out my first 4 times, but without cheese I lose
astral swift
Cheese is essential 🤌
floral glacier
I'm only confident using Chiron. Everything else seems very hard for me
probably due to lack of experience
gusty slate
Just gotta get up there and give it a try
floral glacier
I have an almost 30 wins streak atm so don't want to ruin it 😛
austere jacinth
Yeah, lack of experience probably. The more you play, the better you'll get!
floral glacier
I'm just slowly progressing all weapons to H20 apart from bow and see when I lose lol
gusty slate
I did up to H19 on all weapons, have a 2/3 loss ratio against redacted ||prime EM4|| lul
quaint hatch
I knowwww
or move onto staring into space
@astral swift maybe show it to some people
Get honest feedback
You're probably tooscrutinous with yourself
floral glacier
What is ||redacted prime||?
gusty slate
||EM4||
true kelp
Idk might be only me, but a reset button for Heat would be nice.
floral glacier
ah
quaint hatch
Ahem
astral swift
Spoiler tags
quaint hatch
Tag
astral swift
Plz
gusty slate
Would be a nice QoL button
true kelp
yea
quaint hatch
Bout yeah quick reset would be awesome
true kelp
Oh, sorry should I have used spoiler tag?
gusty slate
I think they're talking to me?
true kelp
Maybe? I thought heat was a normal thing anyway, I started on hardmode so it was there from the beginning
gusty slate
heat is fine in this channel