did they have a collective heart attack?
#h1-discussion
shy tartan
shy tartan
thats fair
astral osprey
But they're fine and working hard me thinks
astral osprey
see youuu
flat vapor
we luv u sgg
violet jasper
Thank you @vale drift and team for the clear and honest communication!
tepid plover
We love papa greg
hallow yew
zag: should check ||the garden||
zag: already walking into his room
tepid plover
I always check the ||garden||
And the one time I dont "I should check the ||garden||"
F
Omg Greg is here
dusk mantle
does Blinding Flash work against || Hades || ? i.e if I reflect his || skulls || will he take more bonus backstab damage?
astral osprey
Garden?
dusk mantle
Hm, I don't understand, so even i don't deflect something it gives me the bonus backstab dmg ?
tepid plover
It should yes
gusty slate
deflect moves will also apply the exposed
tepid plover
^
gusty slate
it becomes a status curse like hangover effectively
tepid plover
Kinda like aphro weak, even if they don't hit you, they are still weak
flat vapor
pretty sure the description specifies "abilities that can deflect apply Exposed"
dusk mantle
Hmm
flat vapor
you don't need to actually deflect anything to make something exposed
wheat kayak
Blinding Flash on fists can be pretty good, for example
tepid plover
You should always be going for backstabs, so blinding flash can be good on anything
wheat kayak
I find going for backstabs on pure melee weapons like sword/fist much easier
dusk mantle
I see, good to know!
tepid plover
Well yeah
wheat kayak
Esp fist
dusk mantle
thanks!
oak shore
Backstabs with bow special can be good too, esp if you have a boon that boosts base damage rather than only applying a status
next lava
May I ask which weapon is the easiest to get sub 10 minutes with? I am trying to cross that out of my bucket list and finally quit this Haddiction
gusty slate
a good amount of speedrunners use Eris aspect
quiet gull
Eris is the fastest weapon currently
Get Zeus on attack and go ham
Take as many free rooms as you can, etc.
high island
Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Sea Storm.
And then double-down on t2 boons for them + their legendaries.
wise burrow
is there a purpose to all the gold dots in this game?
quiet gull
The.... what dots?
wise burrow
but is there an achievement or any rewards tied to getting all?
quiet gull
The reward is you get more lore
next lava
Haha
quiet gull
This is a lore-heavy game
dim crown
not sure if this belongs here, but for the recent fix for ||a friendly wager|| (potential spoiler?), has anyone just gotten it back by talking to ||hermes||? or do i have to do it again
atomic seal
quick question
@shy tartan you need to reach final boss (dont need to win the game) at least once, talk to achi, invest 5 blood in weapon
hallow yew
how to get flame wheels release? been 250 runs and I've never seen it. need it for the last achievement
er, fated thingy
dark scroll
Thats the item from the shop not?
hallow yew
yep
wheat kayak
@dim crown seeing that you only fulfill the prophecy right after ||beating Charon the second time||.. You might have to do it again
dark scroll
You must have seen it plenty but missed it I guess. Esp with 250 runs.
dim crown
uh oh, but thanks for the insight
wheat kayak
Though you are guaranteed to see Hermes each run so if you only needed to talk to him again, that should be easy
dim crown
it's at least fun
hallow yew
I use FP all the time and try to reroll for it..
dark scroll
fp?
dim crown
same honestly, haven't seen flame wheel's release and idk what it even does haha
brisk trail
RNG I'm pretty sure
dim crown
maybe we have incredibly bad luck
brisk trail
It only spawns in ely and it's not that common
dark scroll
I mean you can only get it in area 3.
dim crown
i havven't had 250+ runs, only around like 80ish, but yeah
ohh elysium only, gotcha, will look more there, thank you!
dark scroll
But comes by every so often so can't be that rare.
Esp if you reroll twice or thrice.
Took me ~20 runs just to get legendary boon from demeter.
hallow yew
trying my best to 100% 😋
dark scroll
Just got all duo boons, can turn in the fish thingy. Need to beat you know who for 2 times in a row, done once but need some good boons before I fight again.
hallow yew
btw is huge catch even worth it?
usually don't get it til later and it rarely does anything...
dark scroll
Well, you're catching fish anyway so why not.
I just didn't know how to catch rare fish, had to look that up.
Not sure if the game even explains that.
hallow yew
i want it for spawning chaos fish and surface fish...
hallow yew
or maybe Styx fish at least
but.. it hasn't made any difference when I have it. idk the point
dark scroll
Well get rewards i guess.
hallow yew
if anyone knows if fishing mechanics have changed, lmk. the wiki isn't always up to date
i mean like, it doesnt make fish appear more is all
tepid plover
Is rng
dark scroll
I guess its more meant for people not being too good at the game to get some fishy rewards.
And then grow quicker.
But I'll take it anyway.
hallow yew
I know that u have to wait floors for fish to appear between spots. wonder if huge catch changes that
tepid plover
It does
hallow yew
I wanna get the last few house of Hades rewards
tepid plover
Huge catch remove the chamber requirement
hallow yew
ahhhh ok. thanks
dark scroll
yea huge catch is nothing more then something to get once and then ignore.
robust sundial
wait, today's patch means poseidon's legendary is one fish in every room ? oO
dark scroll
patch? ;o
tepid plover
No
robust sundial
damn
robust sundial
how I wish to read "when you have poseidon's keepsake equipped, every room has a fishing point active"
robust sundial
so I'm not alone in thinking the Olympians' keepsakes are underwhelming
tepid plover
They are not
They are very powerful
They force a god, which changes your run drastically
dark scroll
Medium, they're good, not great, but certainly not bad.
robust sundial
yes, but they're all the same.
dark scroll
Thats a little meh but ah well.
robust sundial
compared to "+X money" "vases can heal" "chaos doesn't whoop yer ass for no good reason", "one extra DD" or others...
someone also spoke here about ||theseus'|| call being the same no matter the god, so, yeah. Olympians boring, Chtonics gud is what I guess this game is trying to tell us 😛
tepid plover
I dont know what you're even trying to say lol
robust sundial
chtonic keepsakes are more varied than olympians
tepid plover
Wdym theseus call being the same
robust sundial
his call only summons damaging circles, while your call changes depending on your god (looking at you poseidon)
tepid plover
Oh
tepid plover
Then hydrate
What not chosen one im reading names wrong
I'm drunk
Youre the one tripping not me
God that stash on the broker looms even better
Anyone wanna help me break into it
We can share the ambrosia
@quaint hatch you in?
formal terrace
@quaint hatch Styx rooms do advance ||Pom Blossom||. Just checked.
tepid plover
Correct
Only thing that doesn't are plume and butterfly
Theres no way vo1di doesn't know that right?
fleet hazel
I generally bring hourglass to styx if my cast build is still super fk
quaint hatch
@quaint hatch Styx rooms do advance ||Pom Blossom||. Just checked.
@formal terrace awesome thanks man
Forgot to write that lol
tepid plover
Vo1di, I cant believe it
fleet hazel
And try to get extra stones
quaint hatch
You mean casts?
tepid plover
No, stones
formal terrace
I was getting the impression that vo1di told me the opposite earlier.
tepid plover
formal terrace
May have misread.
tepid plover
Vo1di isn't good with words, neither am i
fleet hazel
Mfw dio cast entering styx with 1 stones
quaint hatch
Bruh I'm pro lol
fleet hazel
Feelsbadman
ancient canyon
does anyone have a good build for the eris rail? i want to give it a shot.. what should i use for attack/special boons?
quaint hatch
I thought pom didn't advance
tepid plover
Zeus
flat vapor
zeus or dio attack
tepid plover
For attack
quaint hatch
Cause I vaguely remembered it not doing it during my run
fleet hazel
Zeus atk then sea storm
flat vapor
tidal dash
quaint hatch
Zeus attack, support fire from artemis
tepid plover
I thought pom didn't advance
I cant believe what I'm seeing, I must be drunk
quaint hatch
Off all that ambrosia
quaint hatch
ancient canyon
zeus attack, artemis support fire, and poseidon dash?
quaint hatch
F.e.
Or aid or cast
quaint hatch
Dunno what you mean
hearty bramble
im on run 31
finally freaking made past thesus
that fight is such cheese, and i had crap boons then
giant ass health pool
tepid plover
Yeha champions are a gear check
patent topaz
hold up Ashley is now part of the server too? :0
ancient canyon
hey so with this eris rail build.. i got zeus attack, poseideon dash.. what should i go for special?
urban igloo
Hi where do i report a bug/annoying interaction between Boons?
dark scroll
Just use the standard common sense; it's a slow firing thing so poison and doom and such aren't great.
ancient canyon
well artemis didn't give me support fire so i could go with deadly flourish
dark scroll
If you got the 40% extra dmg debuff put some weak or such on it and use it as such. If you go with zeus attack you won't upgrade it anyway.
ancient canyon
or i could go with pressure points instead
quaint hatch
well artemis didn't give me support fire so i could go with deadly flourish
@ancient canyon for support fire to show up you need to meet prereqs
Pressure point is one of them and a good generic choice
dark scroll
god menu -> pick god > boons -> see all skills etc.
quaint hatch
You can check the prereqs in codex if you have extended codey
ancient canyon
ahh ok
dark scroll
Very usefulll when you are trying to get the duo and legendary boons for unlock.
quaint hatch
Or for boons like support fire
indigo plover
@shy tartan @astral osprey I just can't get away from the silksong hype lol
I visit the SS channel on HK discord
brisk trail
Just look at their annoucements channel, really, SS channel's just looping topics and ironclad regulars
tepid plover
Hi where do i report a bug/annoying interaction between Boons?
@urban igloo
quaint hatch
Where is that?
quiet gull
Your keyboard
quaint hatch
Thata de joka
tepid plover
Not hating on switch or anything
urban igloo
@urban igloo
@tepid plover Thanks 🙂
wise burrow
is there a fishing pond in persephone's map?
timid grail
I am not sure where to ask, I'll try here. I have finished the game but I can't get friendship with hades at all, got only 1 heart with him, is there any requirement to give him gifts? I also can't find the titan's blood in codex is it just not there?
brisk trail
New Hades any% world record!!! By @rose trellis
tepid plover
is there a fishing pond in persephone's map?
@wise burrow yes
Theres no ding iirc
Or at least I didnt hear any
wise burrow
thanks. so I keep resetting my game and I keep getting the same Hammer with the same 3 mods. anyone know how to fix this?
i'm alt f4ing after game loads a new zone to reset, which usually does the trick
ancient canyon
holy crap that was fast.. eris rail with zeus attack, poseidon dash, artemis support fire, and delta chamber hammer.. absolutely crushed it
hexed trail
Yup, Zeus + Eris is probably the closest thing this game has to a "win" button
icy wharf
Nah man, lucifer and ares
The tick dmg off beam plus bonus dmg on doom is unumfortable
Turn into Doom Guy
wise burrow
why do speed runs always take chaos gates?
what happens if you take a chaos gate right before the boss?
wheat kayak
NPC rooms/Chaos rooms always faster than a fight I suppose, RTA or IGT
and of course you'd be fighting the boss under Chaos' malus if you took a gate before boss
hexed trail
Yeah, the Chaos debuffs apply to the boss rooms as well
wheat kayak
I hope you did not take a Slothful boon
esp against Theseus/Asterius
I did and while I won that fight it was uhh interesting to say the least
ancient canyon
Hey so I killed skelly with the upgraded sword.. now I have the option to give him ambrosia, but when I hit RT nothing happens. He just does a little hop and that’s it
static osprey
Hello friends, I am looking for some assistance preferably from a developer in making an autosplitter for the speedrunning community! As far as I can tell the pointer for the timer is loaded dynamically and I'm having a lot of trouble finding the pointer path for it. If anyone has some insights please send me a dm!
tepid plover
A chaos room is a just a fast chamber in speedrunning
static osprey
yeah chaos rooms are considered free rooms
tepid plover
Thats why they just take it right away
Same for thanatos, survival and npcs
They stop the timer so is a free room
static osprey
Anything that stops the timer yeah
tepid plover
Chaos doesn't stop the timer but if yiure quick enough you just got a chamber for 1 seconds, top 2 seconds
barren ocean
Does anyone have recommendations to make Adamant Rail more fun
I hate playing with it :/
olive iris
zeus chain lightning
tepid plover
What do you consider fun
barren ocean
i think the issue is ive been building zeus chain lighting every time
and thats getting old
static osprey
@barren ocean start with zeus boon force attack, Eris rail is the strongest with 75% damage boost for 8seconds
barren ocean
lol
tepid plover
Meta
barren ocean
I wanna try something different
static osprey
dash spamming with zeus boon is op
tepid plover
Making the game boring
barren ocean
XD
olive iris
idk adamant rail feels strong with any boon for me
barren ocean
Is that Posiedon on 4th aspect
olive iris
you can try special build with artemis
static osprey
yeah Achieve Victory using any amount of heat (0 or more) Must use Aspect of Lucifer Must start with the Conch Shell (Poseidon's keepsake) Your first boon must be Tempest Strike When an Attack hammer upgrade is offered, you must select it Tempest Strike cannot be purged or replaced
barren ocean
Lmfao alright then
lone flame
I’ve been wondering this, does anyone go for like atk/special/dash/cast buff boon ASAP just to have one early? I find myself waiting for a “good one” meanwhile I just got to Elysium with no atk or special boon
barren ocean
Ill note that down and see how my watergun plays
Nah
I usually choose a boon for my atk and special
attack OR special
and then build based on that
Since it will be my primary form of dmg
lone flame
That makes sense
barren ocean
But always athena dash no matter what if it comes up
Got another dash?
YEET
Athena
lone flame
I only pick that one or Poseidon dash for memes
lunar cypress
Passion dash is a bit better now too
barren ocean
I use Athena and Poseidon dash cause in my personal preference they are the best
After that probably art dash
depdning on the weapon
Any other dash none of the other three come up
dark scroll
Demeter dash can be good for the debuff. Easier to apply then others.
But dashes in general are meh and upgrading them? Absolute garbage. ;p
Scaling in this game is def something that can be improved.
barren ocean
I mean ive seen a posideon dash run
where each dash was like 300 dmg
or more
memes
lone flame
I always tried to get like Pom upgrades evenly spread. I’m realizing that’s maybe a bad call
lone flame
Ah ok
barren ocean
I actually almost never go for Poms after like level 4
dark scroll
Yes and no.
dark scroll
Usually its best to focus on a a few. Its not like you get 20 poms.
lone flame
Yeah
dark scroll
Then you limit yourself in other ways.
dark scroll
When the damage goes from 50->80->100->110->1111 I mean you should know to stop upgrading anyway.,
dark scroll
Yea, always works great, people always stop upgrading right before it goes up again.
tepid plover
shy tartan
gusty slate
Someone threw a dusa sticker being patted... that was... something
gusty slate
shy tartan
boulder boi
tepid plover
dark scroll
Don't post pictures of the end boss guys...
gusty slate
is final boss.
tepid plover
||hypnos|| is the final boss
dark scroll
Well... she runs away so... gg. ;p
gusty slate
Lol that could be true @tepid plover ... it's all a dream
dark scroll
50% life dash recov, 20% dodge, 5% DR, 20% DR <40% life, 95% trap reduction, dash weak. My damage is meh but at least I'll die very slowly!
gusty slate
ooo tanky build
dark scroll
4 lives.
green pawn
oh yeah. you get the sword healing. artemis damage reduction, dionysus low hp damage reduction, then demeter's rarity boost boon and you can easily get 30+% damage reduction with active healing
dark scroll
Ofc, last boon of the entire game, any poms are more powerfull.
Yea I'll pass on that one...
rip current for some more invulnerable time
green pawn
haven't found rip current yet
dark scroll
As of a few hours ago I've found everything. Boonwise.
green pawn
I've done successful runs 3 times so far
dark scroll
I got a bit more time in the game I guess. ;p
green pawn
lol I bet
dark scroll
last 9 were succesfull I think
was bit worried about this one for lack of dmg but seems my tankyness makes up for it.
green pawn
you got a win streak of 9... huh. I was proud of my win streak of 2
dark scroll
You you learn the game better, you get stronger and you get better yourself.
gusty slate
Yeah, you're doing good
green pawn
lol true. I was surprised how broken my last two builds were
dark scroll
Esp in the beginnign I was too gunghoo (w/e), ah I almost got him, go in close to try finish, end up taking way more dmg...
And a bit of luck never hurts.
green pawn
because both times I beat theseus (the most annoying boss) without even losing a death defy
dark scroll
Last time I finished with like 10 times pressing cast. Had the double cast with swirlies around it.
Stuff got DESTROYED.
gusty slate
Oh Pos/Dem/Artemis?
green pawn
double cast? I see why
gusty slate
Yeah pretty strong
vital vale
hey, anyone knows why delta chamber is offered when you have aspect of hestia ?
gusty slate
Can still reload I think
green pawn
when do you unlock hestia?
vital vale
still bullcrap
gusty slate
Unlock all the weapons and do a run
I mean yeah, I guess if you want to mix builds a bit? lol
sure hestia's main point is reload damage, but can always go back to base gameplay if your rng is bad
dark scroll
Well time to turn in some fishies. Took a while for the rare one.
proper elbow
so....i was trying on some really high damage builds just to solely speed kill hades
vital vale
that's not bad rng, that'd be bad decision making at this point srsly
proper elbow
i ended up killing him with 53sec in game timer
dark scroll
Yea, there's other hammer that don't show up with certain aspects.
pine spindle
So what would people say is a good way to farm gemstones? I want to try finish off my house improvements
gusty slate
There's a contractor upgrade to get gems from boss kills
that helps, then running pos, hope for chaos farms
pine spindle
I have all those, yeh, and going for Poseidon's boon to get more
vital vale
anyway, what would be the channel for suggestions ? or would reddit be better ?
pine spindle
Chaos, fingers crossed
gusty slate
I think the only suggestions they are taking are on the test branch
feedback channel was archived
brisk trail
Ok so
I have a really big problem with my immersion:
Why are there no toilets in the house of hades?
cuz there's a river right there
gusty slate
Shades
vital vale
I think the only suggestions they are taking are on the test branch
@gusty slate ok thx !
brisk trail
also most are dead ya
dark scroll
Fishes turned in fom 39 - 21 -1 - 52 - 4756 - 2992 - 15 -to 40 - 25 - 1 -84 -5506 - 3792 -29,
gusty slate
Hm?
dark scroll
~700 gems, 800 darkness
gusty slate
Oh I see
dark scroll
Took a while for the rare fish, don't think the game ever explains how to catch rare ones.
I'm just lazily fishing. ;p
green pawn
I thought it was just rng on the fish. I caught the rare trout from randomly getting a fishing spot at the end of the game
gusty slate
within 0.34 seconds
green pawn
I meant rng for what fish is in the fishing spot
dark scroll
Yes but that doens't make it a rare fish.
gusty slate
at perfect catch you're guaranteed a rare, but have... 5%? chance to get a legendary fish
the % still is suspicious to me xD, code says 5% though
dark scroll
4.76% or soomething like that I read.
green pawn
well I'll be content for just getting fish
foggy arrow
Hey guys! I play on Switch and after completing 10 heat, it still allows me to run another 10 heat for the rewards. Is this a known thing?
green pawn
same weapon?
dark scroll
There's a quest for getting a rare one.
gusty slate
What does your spear say highest completed heat?
dark scroll
Did you finish the entire run?, Saved?
gusty slate
Hm weird
green pawn
go check the records again and send the images to bugfixing
gusty slate
Might be an outlandish bug, #h1-tech-support for switch bugs
supple echo
Hades would make an excellent shonen anime prove me wrong
tepid plover
Lol that could be true @tepid plover ... it's all a dream
@gusty slate a rather nightmare actually
gusty slate
It's a slice of life
green pawn
prove you wrong? there is way too much repeating without any good character development (ie re zero) to be a good shounen
supple echo
There's constant character development, you'd just have to make it more narrative and less gameplay based
That is, for power creep at leasr
green pawn
oh there is character development. but not enough to excuse the constant reestarts
supple echo
There's lots of actual narrative character development already
green pawn
though I would love to see anime dusa. she's so precious
supple echo
Oh sure there wouldn't be nearly as many restarts I don't think, it'd be more like groundhog day in hell than thousands of runs into infinity like it is in the game
gusty slate
shudders endless eight...
green pawn
it would need a narrative overhaul
because a lot of hades' narrative is built upon the constant restarts
oak shore
There are plenty ways you could adapt Hades to other media, including an animated series, without needing any huge changes. If you focus on the narratives and show slow progression through areas and bosses in a way that can be understood as repetitive but progressive a la any time loop story, you'd be grand
My consideration would be that the story /shouldn't/ be adapted directly cos it was built for a game and in general we should be better about allowing stories to exist in the format they were built for but that's a whoooole other discussion
sudden dock
Even 60 so runs in I love it! Always new goals to go for and stuff to buy as furniture. And it seems so ripe for DLC. Overworld time?
quiet gull
SGG have never released DLC for any of their games. It is very unlikely that they will do so for Hades
dark scroll
More likely then before though, this game should be the best selling one in some time.
sudden dock
It's like I want more after the Hades battle and keeping my stats.
quiet gull
Extending the time a run takes is something they've said they dont want to do
And the effort required to, say, make completely alternate biomes is comparable to just straight up making a new game
sudden dock
There is a case with Demeter and her sons and maybe even visiting Olympus? Too good to be passed on.
I guess a sequel yeah.
vital vale
surely there'll be something to fight after Hades within a few months, maybe a year
dark scroll
There's lot of ways and things you could do for and to the game.
sudden dock
There is so much to it and yet there could be even more in terms of story and progression.
high copper
either way, I've put like... I think 125 hours into the game?
140-ish runs I think
even without DLC, it's a fantastic game with plenty of potential for replayability and a long endgame
even that many runs out, I was still getting new dialogue stuff
vital vale
prob a bit more than a year actually, but I even if the hype wears out we still have isaac-like material here, there will be a new end boss
high copper
that said, I certainly wouldn't complain to the game receiving more content!
but supergiant deserves a good break for their hard work in the meantime
dark scroll
We'll have to force em by buying the game so much they need to spend the money or else they drown in it!
sudden dock
It is pretty successful.
vital vale
i usually never tell my friends about a game, I tell everyone about Hades
dark scroll
Hades makes me want to get friends so I can tell em about it!
And then unfriend them if they don't ofc.
vital vale
the learning curve is engrossing and the gameplay is so close to perfection i feel i'm lacking words to say how much I love this game right now
high copper
the only other roguelike to really capture me like this was slay the spire, and even that one made me fall off after a while
vital vale
sts is nice but it does get a bit boring
high copper
but Supergiant's philosophy of "don't punish players for failure -- even then they should feel like they're progressing" has always been fantastic, and it works ridiculously well in a roguelike setting
it's a philosophy that definitely influences the kinds of games I'd like to make
dark scroll
Yea, in other games you die when you fail. Here you die if you fail... and succeed!
1..3...4.. profit?!
golden wadi
I have about 100 hours on hades rn and I still discover something new each run
I love it
and the gameplay is perfect
I couldnt point out something bad about the game even if I tried
dark scroll
5 lives, 376 health. Yea that works.
brazen pewter
runic lintel
sts does get boring ye
dire coyote
my bonus weapons for the past 5 runs have only been shield and spear whyyyyyyyy
literally my least favorite weapons
dark scroll
I'm not crazy about the shield but got zeus on special now with lvl 3 heroic double strike.
Now to get the legendary hopefully.
zeus aspect ofc too ;p
indigo canopy
hidden shield w poseidon special and +4 hits daedalus hammer turns it into a boomerang build
amber cloak
Something that I found out a while ago is like a hidden spear tech where if you're holding spear spin and then dash you do a ||Hades||-esque dash spin attack giving the spin attack a lot more range and viability. This isn't explained anywhere in the game and I found it really useful. Something else I literally just found by accident is that if you Special sword and then dash you do something very similar with a dash special attack. Again, gives it a lot more range and you can start the wind up further away making it less punishing. No idea why this isn't explained anywhere in the game
indigo canopy
Something that I found out a while ago is like a hidden spear tech where if you're holding spear spin and then dash you do a ||Hades||-esque dash spin attack giving the spin attack a lot more range and viability. This isn't explained anywhere in the game and I found it really useful. Something else I literally just found by accident is that if you Special sword and then dash you do something very similar with a dash special attack. Again, gives it a lot more range and you can start the wind up further away making it less punishing. No idea why this isn't explained anywhere in the game
@amber cloak works on all spears:)
gusty slate
I guess it's implied? but yes it's super helpful knowledge
There's a good few things game doesn't explain very well xD
amber cloak
Idek how it's implied anywhere, I could've gone like a hundred more hours without finding that out anywhere lol
Another line for skelly tutorial moveset showcasing that would be useful, these two attacks get bashed on a lot for the long windup leaving you exposed but the extra range mitigates that a lot
gusty slate
it's technically a dash attack I guess
quaint hatch
Well since other weapons have similar quirks
F.e. dashing while holding down fist attack skips 5 attack sequence and this it's cooldown at the end
Every weapon has some kind of interaction with dash
gusty slate
Sure, but it's easily missed though tbh
amber cloak
Really?
quaint hatch
That's the fun imo
amber cloak
See I didn't know that
quaint hatch
Finding the stuff out on my own
gusty slate
long wind up + dash isn't the most intuitive xD
amber cloak
That's like an obvious failure of the game to explain something or guide you towards it. Finding stuff out on your own is its own thing but it should be intuitive
quaint hatch
Yeah it gives up your I frames like any dash during normal attack sequences(rail f.e.)
But athena dash covers that
Eh it's little nicks to find out
I like that
It's not huge tech imo
gusty slate
It matters a lot more for legendary spear
quaint hatch
Although it improved my fist gameplay and dps a lot ig
amber cloak
It does matter a lot if your build is focused around that attack
carmine ravine
hidden spear suks balls, unnecessary penalties
gusty slate
but you see I'm lazy and bad so I just learn from other's hard work
quaint hatch
Eh for fists attack and special are more of less intermingled in builds
Bruh
GY is really good
gusty slate
but those are mentioned as moves when you pick them up
quaint hatch
It has the penalties cause it hecka strong
gusty slate
they buffed the damage it's nifty
carmine ravine
it just got buffed and even then, need to prioritise max life pickings coz of them
gusty slate
I can't dodge though so there's that
quaint hatch
Ever tried serrated point or charged skewer build?
carmine ravine
i tried them all lol
quaint hatch
Athena dash and greatest reflex solves that poke
dark scroll
The special is much better.
quaint hatch
Hurt m7
dark scroll
Healing on demand.
dark scroll
Same.
quaint hatch
That's the charge attack
carmine ravine
idk man i still prefer hades than GY
quaint hatch
Lol hades one of the worst weapons imo
quaint hatch
Also got haelians opinion to back me up xD
I hate that hades spin buff doesn't apply to itself
carmine ravine
If you don't like it that's fine
Just don't say it sucks
@quaint hatch
carmine ravine
kek
quaint hatch
=in my opinion
quaint hatch
I made it clear that it was my opinion not a factice statement
gusty slate
Is the reason it doesn't apply to itself because it's 2x the eris buff? lol
quaint hatch
It's different saying "it sucks" or saying "in my opinion it sucks"
carmine ravine
them, do u even know what semantics are
quaint hatch
Also I said it's one of the worst weapons
Not that it's bad
Worst is comparative
Do you know semantics?
carmine ravine
i rly need to hold this guys hand to point out things one by one wow
gusty slate
tiny grove
I mean
carmine ravine
says the hypocrite
quaint hatch
Dude wtf
Why so unfriendly
dark scroll
Get a room kids. Use a condom.
gusty slate
quaint hatch
Ik
spare ridge
if you’re saying that something sucks it’s kind of implied that it is your opinion man
carmine ravine
kek
vapid rampart
Is it possible there is abug with Vicious Skewer (lance hammer upgrade)? Mi lance stopped doing crits when I changed the special boon from ares to athena.
tiny grove
vo1di takes issue when someone just dumpsters on an aspect
quaint hatch
^
gusty slate
Doesn't it only crit on return?
tiny grove
and talks about it without clarifying that it's an opinion
quaint hatch
Yep
vapid rampart
yeah, but it was critting
quaint hatch
Only crit in return
tiny grove
it may be a well known fact
vapid rampart
and now it isnbt
gusty slate
it also isn't guaranteed crit
tiny grove
may just reject an aspect out of hand
vapid rampart
I know, i tested it
vapid rampart
like no crit in 10 rooms
carmine ravine
this is the discussion channel, not new players channel
gusty slate
Weird, should be critting.. sometimes
carmine ravine
what kind of logic is that
tiny grove
he's not wanting you to hold his hand
quaint hatch
Let the dude just ask
night schooner
Do we know when we get cross over saves between switch and steam?
tiny grove
It's not fundamentally any sweat off your back to clarify that it's an opinion. And negative opinions on aspects reduces new players' ability to discover the game. Hyping up an underpowered aspect is not
quaint hatch
Thx
tiny grove
just feel like a lot of this hostility is not necessary
he's not a noob
neither are you
carmine ravine
damn bro nice job
quaint hatch
No hard feelings alpha
lone patrol
hey stupid question, but why cant i seem to find a full heat run on youtube?
gusty slate
full heat is pretty hard
quaint hatch
Has anybody even done it lol?
lone patrol
theres a bunch at 50, but it goes all the way to 63 i think
gusty slate
I mean that's pretty good
quaint hatch
Not of my knowledge
carmine ravine
heat isnt spoiler
gusty slate
heat is spoilers in new player because its confusing to them there
vapid rampart
How do you report bugs? I should have 50% on return and I'm getting 0, its beyong unluky at this point
quaint hatch
F10
hardy escarp
I feel like you're qualified for this chat if you've beaten the game once and are qualified for Story/ spoilers if you've rolled the credits
lone patrol
wait so youre telling me people are running the dark souls trilogy no hit blindfolded, but we cant beat some hot skulls in this greek dating simulator??
gusty slate
quaint hatch
carmine ravine
do it urself then
quaint hatch
This game is like the dark souls of roguelikes
lone patrol
i died in the very first room
quaint hatch
gusty slate
5 minutes to take down ungodly enemies in 1 area and giving up all buffs is .... not fun
lone patrol
well, technically the second room
woven cipher
does anyone know how to unlock the ||chaos theme (infinite||||)|| at house contractor?
hardy escarp
I would say I disagree but heat is definitely a way to make it the dark souls of roguelikes
carmine ravine
im not sure probably need something to do with chaos favaor/ nyx favour
amber cloak
Just realized that I have no idea how Styx encounters work. Does each branch count as an encounter or does each individual room count as an encounter?
gusty slate
The end room of each branch is one
amber cloak
Need to know for Rare Crop boon
quaint hatch
Final room is an encounter
gusty slate
Oh rare crop? works for all
amber cloak
Wait what?
quaint hatch
Like rare crop, blossom and styx items
hardy escarp
Pierced butterfly and lambent plume only work in final
amber cloak
So Rare Crop encounter really means chamber not encounter
carmine ravine
i fight enemies = encounter
quaint hatch
Styx is a bit iffy
gusty slate
I guess butterfly and plume are the only weird ones?
amber cloak
Alright, guess Ill take Rare Crop then, otherwise it'd absolutely suck in Styx
lunar cypress
No Rare crop can get to max in Styx quick
quaint hatch
They don't work> I guess butterfly and plume are the only weird ones?
@gusty slate
hardy escarp
But stuff like The Hermes one that gives you money works the whole time
quaint hatch
Only in final
carmine ravine
yes butterfly and plume dont count the small encounters, anything else does
lunar cypress
Each of the tiny rooms counts for rare crop
quaint hatch
Yep side hustle too
amber cloak
Is the max for Rare Crop Epic or heroic?
gusty slate
Heroic
lunar cypress
Heroic
hardy escarp
Butterfly and plume would be kinda op if they worked in those rooms
gusty slate
Yeah lol
hardy escarp
Like those are easy stacks
swift sparrow
how do you even get a heroic rare crop?
carmine ravine
or u can just get exclusive excess and get free epics, ez
lunar cypress
Rare crop, Euridice or swapping an epic boon out for another of the same slot
tiny grove
is it wrong
hardy escarp
Exclusive access is EPIC
tiny grove
that i'm addicted to exclusive access
hardy escarp
no
quaint hatch
You can only swap core boons
hardy escarp
best boon in the game
quaint hatch
That's what alpha said
lunar cypress
Nah, it's pretty much the only way to get epics without the mirror
amber cloak
Wait no I meant max limit for the rarity boons can be raised to from Rare Crop, not the max rarity of Rare Crop itself
lmao
hardy escarp
That is factually incorrect but ok
lunar cypress
Yes, heroic
gusty slate
rare crop raise is heroic
quaint hatch
Nah, it's pretty much the only way to get epics without the mirror
@lunar cypress ir rng
amber cloak
Oh okay
hardy escarp
I got epics all the time b4 I even knew duos existed
gusty slate
without mirror yeah it would be a bit harder to grab epics
lunar cypress
Duos don't show up for a while is why
hardy escarp
I still think the butterfly boss needs a nerf
lunar cypress
So there's theoretically more chances for epics
tiny grove
I just feel like when I push for high heat my desire to shove Poseidon and Dionysus into every run
may just come back to bite me
:)
gusty slate
Nah Duos can be grabbed pretty early, I think my new save got it run 5? xD
uber luck though
lunar cypress
2 good support gods, less for straight DPS
You get a DPS god though and you should be good
quaint hatch
I mean if you're doing a hangover build ig
carmine ravine
butterfly is fine, i hate the asphodel pair more
quaint hatch
But most of the times you have ateast3 slots filled cause if duos
Maybe even all 4
Stray athena
lunar cypress
I still wish hangover didn't fight itself
quaint hatch
?
lunar cypress
Lower DPS stacks overwrite higher ones
calm nova
does ramps for eternal chamber boon mean flinch?
quaint hatch
Ah ok you mean dat
lunar cypress
No, ramps is damage, gun doesn't flinch
gusty slate
Wait really?
swift sparrow
sounds like real life
hardy escarp
Did you say that you...
lunar cypress
So if you have multiple sources of hangover they can kinda mess with eachother
carmine ravine
therefore avoid the dash i guess
lunar cypress
Yeah dio dash is awful
quaint hatch
That's why you don't have multiple sources if hangover lol
hardy escarp
You hate the aspho duo more?
lunar cypress
And if you get dio call you do NOT want other sources
tiny grove
fated persuasion is a powerful drug
calm nova
ah ty for the clarification
quaint hatch
Persuasion forever
lunar cypress
Dio basically fights his own build which is annoying
hardy escarp
I am about to bring Hephaestus's hammer down on this chat
gusty slate
hah not inthegame
quaint hatch
Well with most hangover build you shouldn't need multiple sources of hangover
gusty slate
quaint hatch
Since the stack size is very limited
lunar cypress
Frankly that's another reason it shouldn't fight itself IMO
gusty slate
Rolling with call and a primary stack isn't the worst decision....
quaint hatch
Why?
tiny grove
tbh i dunno how effective this is at high heat but i love the dionysus/ poseidon/ aphrodite/ athena combo for stuff like chiron
quaint hatch
Since the stacks cap out early you don't need to worry about stacking high
lunar cypress
The whole reason it can lower its own DPS is because there's a limited amount of stacks at one point
quaint hatch
Just reappying
hardy escarp
The Aspho duo is an easy fight, you swish around beat the crap out of the gorgon head and wait for big skelly to land then u beat the crap out of him. Meanwhile with the butterfly you have to micromanage the dozens of souls spawning around the room while also trying to kill the butterfly to make sure no more spawn
it is H E L L
gusty slate
MM aspho duo still gets me
quaint hatch
The only thing that would make strength based overrides better is unlimited stacking or higher
tiny grove
do you mean big bouldy?
quaint hatch
Hey hey there
lunar cypress
I don't get why it has limited stacks when they don't refresh either
hardy escarp
How
lunar cypress
They're individually timed
hardy escarp
Oh MM
quaint hatch
It's not a problem keeping them up tho
hardy escarp
Yeah MM is rough with those two
tiny grove
I once killed big bouldy with bouldy
carmine ravine
the butterfly ball is only hard when its MM since its moving
tiny grove
bouldyception
lunar cypress
I understand not wanting an infinitely stacking refreshing thing but
tiny grove
I laughed
hardy escarp
No, no.
quaint hatch
Don't compare such a trash bag to my stone faced godess
gusty slate
"A boulder!?" Were the last words spoken...
quaint hatch
hardy escarp
The butterfly ball is just as difficult in both, because as said previously you have to micro the souls and the ball moving doesn't change anything, you're still microing the souls and keeping the ball in your back burner, it is hell either way
MM Aspho duo... that's another story
cloud hound
Quick question: Will I get shamed for using God Mode?
gusty slate
Nope
tiny grove
No
carmine ravine
you just focus on the ball and kill the soul later, always works for me
tiny grove
next question
carmine ravine
you just made it hard for yourself
gusty slate
God Mode is there, use or don't use is your call np 👍 
dark scroll
I'll name, shame and point and laugh at you. ;p
hardy escarp
Well I hate dealing with armored greatshields and strongbows after the fight especially when there's nearly a dozen of them
gusty slate
There's a cap to the spawns though right?
carmine ravine
you wont be dealing with a dozen of them since the souls move slowly
tribal glade
kill the ball quicker?
carmine ravine
unless ur dps is very very low
hardy escarp
if you just beat the butterfly and tank it you'll be left at half HP when the fight is over
gusty slate
It'll buff out
dark scroll
those fights can often be harder then bosses if your boons are a bit unlucky
hardy escarp
Cough Hera run Cough
carmine ravine
if ur reashing elysium and still not having enuf dps for a ball, idk what to tell you man
quaint hatch
Eh
dark scroll
Nice on paper yea, not in reality. ;p
quaint hatch
With certain weapons the frequent exalted spawns are more of a problem then the ball itself
tribal glade
some weapons you want to kill the extra dudes more and some weapons you just want to rush the ball
gusty slate
the exalted become their own minibosses 
dark scroll
I had 3 of those floating pyramid things spawning a billion adds at the last fight. I had such insane boons too, lost 3 lives just dealing with that.
tribal glade
just gotta do the whole room as quick as possible
carmine ravine
then again if im playing bow i still use point blank and twin shot, so proabbly why i rush the ball
tribal glade
yeah thats fair ^
tribal glade
like i said, some setups will be better at rushing the ball and others will be better at dealing with the adds - definitely worth knowing and figuring out when you get to it 😛
dark scroll
Bow special also allows to clear the butterflies easier.
carmine ravine
just dash through them
tribal glade
zag bow special?
hardy escarp
If I'm using Gilg I just rush the ball
dark scroll
Till you got the entire screen filled with 5 enemies spawning etc.
Again, its nice on paper but it deosn't always work that way.
You'll find out sooner or later.
hardy escarp
same with arthur or chaos
tribal glade
i need to practice gilgamesh more - i find it very slow compared to the other fists and i just have a harder time with it ><
dark scroll
Luck just plays a factor. And sometimes you get unlucky.
gusty slate
the recent weapon patch might make it easier to use
hardy escarp
Gilg is absolutely my favorite aspect in the game
tribal glade
lol yeah arthur just tank the ball ><
quaint hatch
i need to practice gilgamesh more - i find it very slow compared to the other fists and i just have a harder time with it ><
@tribal glade hold down dash
carmine ravine
most ppl dont understand that gilg is just a smallr arthur with maim
hardy escarp
Actually that's a split between Lucifer and Gilg
hardy escarp
Gilg is so much more mobile than Arthur tho
quaint hatch
Probs in you for Lucifer being one of your favs
tribal glade
if only gilg gave +50hp and a way to take less dmg, lol
quaint hatch
That's a unique take
gusty slate
but I like drifting into that sweet 3rd hit
Lets me feel like Asterius and his gasgasgas
carmine ravine
i mean fists got the sturdy hammer for 30% dmg reduction
amber cloak
Dude. I had no idea Charm actually charms Theseus and Asterius into fighting each other. That raises my rating of it by like 100x, I dont even know if its actually good but I just love the idea of it so much
gusty slate
but rng hammer!
dark scroll
It's so so.
tribal glade
i do like the sturdy hammer
gusty slate
Zeus/Aphro duo with Aphro call big fun
dark scroll
Often they get charmed, move around for a second and then go back to you.
If they are close they can do something but agani its minor.
carmine ravine
Dude. I had no idea Charm actually charms Theseus and Asterius into fighting each other. That raises my rating of it by like 100x, I dont even know if its actually good but I just love the idea of it so much
@amber cloak wait until u spam charm on the final boss
quaint hatch
Charm charms
Weird huh
dark scroll
It's more that they stop focussing you for a moment.
dark scroll
Which is good too.
quaint hatch
Especially with fists
dark scroll
But it makes the charm power kinda meh.
gusty slate
aphro legendary + rail is pretty amusing
dark scroll
At least it deals some ok damage maxed out.
hardy escarp
I feel like there should be an interaction where Theseus and Asterius get pissed at each other and fight for a moment before Theseus goes "Wait! The hellspawn is getting away!" and then the battle continues as normal
dark scroll
the blaggaard*
gusty slate
even better, tap into the story
quaint hatch
How does it. Make charm meh?
gusty slate
"I thought we were friends! That hellspawn has done it now!"
hardy escarp
The blackguard, the hellspawn, the fiend, take your pick
quaint hatch
Aphro=biggest raw damage
Spam
Free interrupt
carmine ravine
no we talking abt aphro legend boon, not the call @dark scroll
slender skiff
There's an update downloading right now. This is different from the update from yesterday. What gives?
dark scroll
I am.
gusty slate
There's a buncha little bug fixes and patches
dark scroll
I'm talking about both. sue me. ;p
quaint hatch
I will
gusty slate
Hold It!
carmine ravine
then the charm itself already an extra benefit on top of a good boon
quaint hatch
^
dark scroll
Rather have other powers.
gusty slate
That's fair
but zeus/aphro duo + aphro call is something to experience at least once
dark scroll
At least its better then zeus power. ;p
quaint hatch
Tf if you're doing aphrodite in your builds and as a core part of them
You'll pick up charm
Zeus legendary is also decent
Imo
dark scroll
its meh at best.
quaint hatch
Maybe you haven't used it on the right build
dark scroll
Only with the legendary its good but then you should have other zeus boons too.
dark scroll
Sometimes, its still rare.
carmine ravine
nah, smoldering air + heroic lv3 poseidon call is the way, cheese your way with any ||EM4|| in no time
gusty slate
it's nice pure damage with some jolted here and there
dark scroll
Legendaries are rare. Period. ;p
gusty slate
I rarely get legendaries though
but I'm not actively trying for pre-reqs so there's that xD
carmine ravine
some legendaries have prerequisites
quaint hatch
Mirror talent, rerolls, met the pre reqs
dark scroll
There is a mirror upgrade that helps.
quaint hatch
All have
dark scroll
Same.
carmine ravine
wait what the fishing pre-req
quaint hatch
If you plan your builds it's easy to consistently get them
gusty slate
Uh conch shell and/or the loot boon?
carmine ravine
rly? never checked
dark scroll
consistently is still not all the time, and thats not something you rely on by default.
quaint hatch
Jesus christ man
carmine ravine
still doesnt take away on the benefits of the boon itself
fleet hazel
I hit arti legendary most of the time
quaint hatch
If we're talking that everything is bad
dark scroll
And thats only if you use said above all otions.
quaint hatch
Cause rng
fleet hazel
2 stones op
gusty slate
I mean, it can win
dark scroll
Not everything is a legendary nor requires it to be usefull so no.
quaint hatch
It's a roguelite
With very controllable rng
Aside from dialogue
dark scroll
We were talking about 1 power.
midnight wasp
i had made it to meg for the first time and she won lol
quaint hatch
If you compare boons on raw lower you're not gonna get very far
dark scroll
Indeed, hence my point.
You have to be close to make it work, vision obscured, low damage compared to just attacking etc.
carmine ravine
yeah thats like saying artemis legend boon is bad bczo u can get the same with chaos easily
gusty slate
Huge Catch, 2 of following: Conch Shell, Ocean's Bounty, Sunken Treasure
dark scroll
requiring multple other boons.
You'll focus on an attack or special zeus boon anyway.
quaint hatch
Wtf you taking about
You're building an Aphro or zeus build
You'll naturally meet the prereqs
And the legendaries will boost your power level well I'm those
You can't see it in a vacuum
dark scroll
artemis one is pretty meh too. damage is lacking.
midnight wasp
ugh i died bc of hades
gusty slate
Hades has a sharp tongue, emotional crits all the time
dark scroll
the ultimate is good though
quaint hatch
Artemis legendary has no damage if we're talking from your view point
carmine ravine
poor innocent soul
gusty slate
I just want dad to notice how hard I'm working
dark scroll
but its easier to use, requires less boons to be usefull on its own
quaint hatch
In your argument it would make all duos and legendaries bad "because they require other boons"
dark scroll
Nope.
carmine ravine
I just want dad to notice how hard I'm working
@gusty slate clearly you havent seen something
tepid plover
In your argument it would make all duos and legendaries bad "because they require other boons"
They are
quaint hatch
Dude
If
You
Are
Making
Build
You
Will
Get
Them
Either
Way
tepid plover
tepid plover
Hes special
quaint hatch
?
tepid plover
We love him
quaint hatch
carmine ravine
shut up man, just let him enjoy his slow builds
tepid plover
quaint hatch
Fair point
gusty slate
oi oi I like my slow builds
tepid plover
Whatd i miss
dark scroll
No need to be rude to him. ;p
quaint hatch
Nice try
dark scroll
What try?
carmine ravine
u missed these hands
gusty slate
Zag my man
carmine ravine
no this is discord
supple echo
ZAAAG, MY MAN
gusty slate
Hrrrnnnn
indigo canopy
permission to give headchef some nectar?
gusty slate
Headchef is loaded
tepid plover
Wdym some filthy nectar
dark scroll
Drunk and a knife?
midnight wasp
lol i was giving nyx my nectar
indigo canopy
headchef keepsake was a missed opportunity
dark scroll
Still room.
supple echo
it's just a knife
quaint hatch
I thought we were gonna use the Ambrosia
tepid plover
So about the broker stash, we still on that?
gusty slate
I need an Ambrosia / 
batteredfish
quaint hatch
Why do you need to even ask?
tepid plover
gusty slate
Broker works with Charon... Charon owns the underworld economy and the black market
carmine ravine
I just want dad to notice how hard I'm working
@gusty slate ||https://imgur.com/gallery/bVXOgRA||
midnight wasp
i want to give some to cerberus but idk if he will like it
quaint hatch
So we just "borrow" from charon again huh?
indigo canopy
@gusty slate ||https://imgur.com/gallery/bVXOgRA||
@carmine ravine is that from maxing out affinity gauge w papa?
carmine ravine
probably idk, it happened one day
tepid plover
Broker works with Charon... Charon owns the underworld economy and the black market
Broker works FOR Charon
carmine ravine
yes charon owns you too
gusty slate
comrade
tepid plover
At this point is safe to assume even hades and chaos work for charon
Guy owns everything
carmine ravine
clearly charon is the real ruler of the underworld all along
indigo canopy
fear the paddle
tepid plover
NNGRHHHHHHH
gusty slate
I mean... ||have you seen that damage?||
fleet hazel
Ofc he owns the underworld
carmine ravine
spoilers @fleet hazel
indigo canopy
^
gusty slate
Let the cat out of the bag