h1-discussion

[north pier]

can we get an update to that one styx room first

i just want to cross that one styx room

the truly evil one

[quiet gull]

?

Tiny Vermin?

[north pier]

No the room with a poison floor at the entrance, the two spinning blade traps that cross the room, and the upper area with another poison floor

I have never once in my life

ever

not once

ever even considered

using the cure that's situated right next to the spinning blade mouths

i only have ever used the cure that's between the two traps in the middle of the room

and even then i usually take ticks of damage

[halcyon dew]

the ares upgrade that gives dmg if u use death defy, is on that room only or like for the whole run?

[north pier]

and if i don't want to take poison or trap damage i'm sequestered into the most obnoxious hitbox crescent (the pillars that end the blade trap also block casts, special, etc) in the entire game

where every enemy also happens to spawn

[quiet gull]

the ares upgrade that gives dmg if u use death defy, is on that room only or like for the whole run?
@halcyon dew It says it's for that encounter

[north pier]

because you can't spawn them on top of poison or spinning blades

and then you get poisoned anyway

because there are beeg rats there

this is literally the only room i still get annoyed by

every other room is either perfect or a shade off of perfect

[halcyon dew]

@halcyon dew It says it's for that encounter
@quiet gull oh thanks, in the spanish version doesnt clarify that

[north pier]

listen the entire game is perfect but that ROOM

[hollow halo]

oh ghat room

yohre not alone i hate it too

it sucks

[north pier]

it's not like, BAD bad, but for me it definitely stands out

I feel like I would get less tilted about it if the second cure was in a spot that could be used during the encounter

but maybe that's the point, IDK i'm not a game designer

or maybe my main weapons just don't complement the room

this room is just the hill I choose to die on, don't mind me just venting about it one last time

[wheat kayak]

how often has the game went on sale? might gift it to a friendo

[icy wharf]

Weird question but what are some of your best clear times, asking for frame of reference to mine?

[wheat kayak]

uh mine is just over 21 minutes

kinda slow tbh

[gusty slate]

uh 19:30

average 20-40 though

[icy wharf]

What Arms?

[north pier]

I average around a little under 30 i think

[wheat kayak]

HIdden shield

Though I think one of my fist aspects surpassed it by a few seconds, but it's on lower heat so that's not saying a lot

[gusty slate]

19:30 hidden sword, 20:08 zag fist

[lone patrol]

hello friends

[wheat kayak]

final boss is starting to get predictable so I should get to turn on ||EM4||

[gusty slate]

I'm still figuring out that one

[wheat kayak]

I did once or twice but I'm not mentally ready

[icy wharf]

Oh the hidden sword is hilarious

[lone patrol]

hey can i ask something about boons?

[icy wharf]

Getting that with hoarding slash and crit is a right laugh

[lone patrol]

it seems some boons just auto win the game for me. the lifesteal one on the sword especially. i just beat hades by just spamming attack.

[icy wharf]

Yeah its like that sometimes

[lone patrol]

am i doing something wrong or is this intended?

[icy wharf]

How far in are you?

[wheat kayak]

that's a hammer not a boon

[lone patrol]

i also dont want to just kill it with heat, because it only goes up by one each time

[wheat kayak]

I think

[quiet gull]

If you start turning up the heat that concern will go away

[lone patrol]

yes, hammer.

[north pier]

lifesteal is pretty wicked yeah

but depending on pact choices it can be less important

[wheat kayak]

Lifesteal + reduced max health don't seem so bad until final boss chunks you with one swing and bam, one DD gone

[lone patrol]

i'd like for the heat to double each time

[icy wharf]

Lifesteal is just busted, can tank all bosses if u swing fast enough

[lone patrol]

or go up more than just by one every single time

[stable night]

You can do that if you want

[wheat kayak]

Which is me and hidden spear half the time

[stable night]

Just change your heat to whatever setting you like

[quiet gull]

If you do more heat than necessary, you just bank up the rewards in a queue

[north pier]

no it's not busted, it's objectively worse than other hammer upgrades on hell mode

[compact topaz]

hey all! just a quick cosmetic question: is there a reason why the ribbon for Hades' hearts is on the second heart whereas it's on the first heart for everyone else?

[lone patrol]

eh, but then i dont get all the rewards

[quiet gull]

Also, you can turn it down whenever

You do Pakushy

[lone patrol]

you gotta grind through the game to find the alcohol anyway

[gusty slate]

It's story/lore for that heart

[stable night]

You'll still earn the rewards

[quiet gull]

Just not all at once

[wheat kayak]

It's actually not cosmetic

[icy wharf]

The bonus max health Aphrodite boon completely negates the minus of cursed slash

[compact topaz]

ooo

[stable night]

Like if you earned rewards for 3 heat, skipped to 5 heat, clearing on 5 gives you the bounties for 4 heat

[north pier]

yeah but that's an aphro boon you're not taking

in lieu of more health

[wheat kayak]

||can't expect dad to give you his sigil when the family is in crisis of being torn apart||

[gusty slate]

more hp is nice though, I like walking up to redacted with 400 myself

[sweet merlin]

interesting evercelle, I've been wondering about that. Particularly when I only have the final titan blood to unlock

[lone patrol]

either way, the game feels rather grindy

[compact topaz]

@wheat kayak fair enough 😛

[icy wharf]

One boon is worth the missed room to have cursed slash with normal hp

[north pier]

it's only a grind if you have to do something you don't enjoy

[icy wharf]

I think at least

[stable night]

Yah it's like 4thqueen said, the rewards just bank up

[lone patrol]

im 45 hours in and i got like 2 of the dating options

[wheat kayak]

Wait wut it actually does that? Like do I get all the bounties for previous heat (if I skipped them) after killing a boss?

[quiet gull]

No hax

[wheat kayak]

I have to try this

[stable night]

Not at all once lol

[quiet gull]

You get it one at a time

[compact topaz]

i've been swapping weapons, basically whichever one is showcased - climbing heat across many different weapons feels a little slow but i am not complaining because i love the game regardless and you do get the option to set the heat higher if you so choose anyway

[quiet gull]

If you start at heat 10, you'll get rewards for ten runs

[icy wharf]

Until you complete the current heat level there is no point in going higher than requested

[gusty slate]

?

[wheat kayak]

ah so let's say my max heat is 10, and I jump to heat 16, I have to do heat 16 6 times to catch up?

[stable night]

Yup

Exactly

[wheat kayak]

interesting

[gusty slate]

Yeah, only completes next lowest uncomplete

[lone patrol]

it's only a grind if you have to do something you don't enjoy
@north pier hence my question about some boons auto winning you the game. i dont mind having a random chance to have an easier game than intended, but some of these runs i was literally standing on the same spot and spamming attack

[stable night]

If only you got a shower of diamonds for skipping heat levels LOL

[north pier]

one boon is worth the missed...
I disagree, when redacted can chunk you more than you can lifesteal back, it stops being important to lifesteal back

[icy wharf]

Not at all

[stable night]

Save us all some time running :P

[quiet gull]

I recommend just climbing up the EM ranks for heat at first

[wheat kayak]

BP, JS is pretty alright

[gusty slate]

Time to roll with legendary spear ||em4|| challenge XD

[lone patrol]

i think the hermes boon with additional dashes is straight up cheating. you can dodge every single attack hades throws at you with 3 dashes

[icy wharf]

Redacted has slow attacks, as long as u dont get boiling blood u can outheal his dmg, done it before

[wheat kayak]

If you got max Persuasion I think UC isn't half bad either

[stable night]

DC on fast hitting weaps is pretty easy too

[wheat kayak]

@lone patrol btw redacted is a spoiler

DC is easy until you pick bow

probably

[north pier]

extra dashes are cheating
no they're just extra dashes, you still need to perform the dash

[stable night]

Haha I'm the opposite

Dc was the first thing I took for bow

[gusty slate]

game is hard

[wheat kayak]

Though I suppose that's why you have bow special

[stable night]

But I did chiron so it was easy to clear off

[icy wharf]

Getting all ares boons on any gun is an instawin as well

[gusty slate]

struggle all around

[wheat kayak]

Oh that's fair

I had a Zeus focus Chiron run

• Splitting Bolt

fun times

[lone patrol]

even just clearing rooms normally i sometimes just find myself spamming attack/dashattack in aoe until everything dies

[stable night]

It is struggle club tho with FO JS DC2 when a hundred skulls spawn u_u

[icy wharf]

Cause it works

[quiet gull]

It is struggle club tho with FO JS DC2 when a hundred skulls spawn u_u
@stable night This is why Zeus is so popular for high heat runs

[stable night]

I'm going to try zeus building next! 32 heat is clowning on me

[quiet gull]

Eris rail zeus attack just mow 'em down

[wheat kayak]

I have come to really like hidden rail esp with Triple Bomb

[stable night]

I've been doing chiron just cuz it's my fav, but it's hard to ignore eris rail

[gusty slate]

that hidden rail buff

[icy wharf]

Im trying to get lucifer for a zeus run, have a feeling it will melt

[gusty slate]

feels a ton better

[stable night]

The triple bomb is nuts!!!

[wheat kayak]

Lucifer Zeus focus slaps

[icy wharf]

Or lucifer ares focus

[wheat kayak]

Though I haven't tried Zeus spec on that

had Demeter spec

[icy wharf]

Thats what I really want

That bonus dmg on doom per hit and inf fire on lucifer must ruin bosses

[potent rover]

any news on cross save with the latest patch? not out yet right?

[lone patrol]

also why does everyone in this game have to be so freaking hot??

have you seeen these people??

[gusty slate]

I mean

Good amount of Gods

[icy wharf]

Controversial take @lone patrol, but I think Hypnos aint hot

[lone patrol]

hes a twink

some people are into that

[icy wharf]

Hades though, that tash

[sweet merlin]

Dionysus could tempt me to bat for the other team

[wheat kayak]

Imagine Hades shaved

He's going to look real funny with that comically small head/torso ratio if not for the two prong beard

[icy wharf]

Never, thats like zeus from Disney Herc shaved

Its horrible

[wheat kayak]

Also his facial features is like a man in his 60s

wrinkles and everything

Here's a cursed mental image, Hades taking off his muscle suit to reveal a decrepit old man beneath and the beard is as tall as he actually is

ahem

[lone patrol]

my favourite is the green football

i just wanna pet her several snakes

[icy wharf]

It would just be like the creepy Jason Momoa video Hax

The superbowl one

[lone patrol]

anywhale, spoilers for hades: ||zagreus dies||

[icy wharf]

How could u say that

[alpine fulcrum]

people keep saying to start doing heat levels with EM is that just because ||its actual new content instead of just changing stats or whatever||

cause some of the other options sound easier than ||learning a new boss/new version of a boss||

||especially a version of hades with a third phase||

[gusty slate]

||EM4|| is tuff, otherwise I like the EMs

[stable night]

The earlier EM are not very difficult to adjust to

[gusty slate]

third boss is my DD sink though

until Redacted prime...

[runic lintel]

Tbh I like SD more

[lone patrol]

one thing i still dont understand is why ||the gods would be so mad at persephone chilling with hades??||

[gusty slate]

I'm not good enough for SD I lose too many lul

[lone patrol]

like wasnt that what they wanted?

[gusty slate]

Well, ||Demeter isa helicopter mom||

[lone patrol]

ngl, i like how the gods are all ducking tsunderes

[runic lintel]

They are not all Tsunderes how dare you

Chaos, Nyx, Artemis

[lone patrol]

half the time they are complaining or trying to kill you like how do i dare take someone elses boon, even though i already have like 20 other boons stuffed inside my cargo pants

also artemis is best girl

fight me

[runic lintel]

Of course

There was never a question

[lone patrol]

chaos is a giga tsundere

[runic lintel]

Not even a little

Chaos actively tells you that they enjoy your gifts, and presence.

[lone patrol]

but he literally stabs you

[runic lintel]

You stab yourself

[lone patrol]

yes, you stab yourself to be able to visit him at home and then hes like "enjoy your -0.57 second reload speed on your cast"

[runic lintel]

And you enjoy it.

[lone patrol]

i dont think i ever skipped a single chaos

sometimes i get like +50% dmg for the third time

[sweet merlin]

I once killed myself in lava so that I could jump into chaos

[ancient canyon]

So what is considered a solid time? Not speedrun level but a respectable time to clear?

[lone patrol]

faster than 2 hours at least

[runic lintel]

I clear in 40 minutes

So really

An hour or less

[gusty slate]

As long as one clears

[runic lintel]

Hades slowwalk, 52 hour clear

[gusty slate]

Sometimes you spend 51.5 hours in a certain asphodel room

[lone patrol]

only real men clear with their dash only

[gusty slate]

dash builds are fun

[runic lintel]

Poseidon dash is best ofc

[lone patrol]

ugh, i hate the poseidon dash, because it keeps ruining my combos

[runic lintel]

I love Poseidon dash, loads of damage

Granted

I’m a Coronacht kinda guy

[gusty slate]

I swapped my zeus attack for pos attack one run, greatest decision

fists

[ancient canyon]

Oh sweet. So my 21 min clear was pretty good huh?

[runic lintel]

Yes

Tbf someone cleared in 7 minutes

Not quite sure how that one works

[gusty slate]

just gotta be fast

[lone patrol]

the hades speedrun world record is actually just the guy killing himself on frame one, because technically the run ends after zagreus dies

[runic lintel]

You can’t die on frame one

[gusty slate]

is that a challenge

[runic lintel]

Sure

Can’t do it legit

[lone patrol]

dont you die when you give up

[gusty slate]

Nope

Fates send you back to your last known position in the house

[runic lintel]

And the first boon is the same afaik

Either way

[ancient canyon]

I got 21mins with Chiron bow with Artemis special, Aphrodite attack, and a good hammer like relentless volley

[runic lintel]

You can’t give up frame one

[alpine fulcrum]

i love how zag says "i'm empty" like his cast is a gun and he's in an action movie

[gusty slate]

I mean

he's chucking his own blood

[alpine fulcrum]

o is that what it is

i missed that explanation

[runic lintel]

Cast? I think you mean “only good for the damage mod”

[gusty slate]

well, whose blood would a bloodstone come from :o?

Also God of ||Blood|| so they say

[ancient canyon]

So I’m reading the speed runners go with Eris rail.. what’s a good build for it in terms of boons?

[alpine fulcrum]

i forgot they were called bloodstones also ive heard the word "bloodstone" so much in fantasy stuff it doesnt mean anything to me

[gusty slate]

true

I think Hades mentions it in one of his uh run starter dialogue

[ancient canyon]

Seems like Zeus attack with eris aspect is the basis.. what else for special etc

[alpine fulcrum]

so zag is actually a god? not a demigod?

[gusty slate]

"Stop throwing your blood everywhere... it's disgusting" something like that

[zenith mauve]

Blood of Zeus is pretty good but my god, compared to Hades the god designs are bland

[lone patrol]

what if they closed that big pool of blood where zagreus emerges every time? would he just drown over and over again or would be be able to clip out of bounds?

[gusty slate]

Styx? He can swim over to the side

there's another opening or 2 xD

Unless... he can't swim

[lone patrol]

ALSO ok so i cant believe this bothers me so mcuh

[gusty slate]

Although Hades wouldn't allow that

[alpine fulcrum]

that pool isnt just for zagreus

[gusty slate]

It would put him behind schedule

and that's a sin

[alpine fulcrum]

other people come out of there too right?

[gusty slate]

Yes

[lone patrol]

but ||you know when you see your mom like 10 times and shes like "ehh, im coming home"? why didnt she tell you you can stay in the overworld while you are on top of the river????||

its RIGHT THERE??

why didnt she tell you

[gusty slate]

Styx is too strong

Only Charon's boat can traverse it

or something like that

[lone patrol]

but like cant he just stuck his feet in the water

just get himself nice and wet to get the same effects

[alpine fulcrum]

phrasing

[gusty slate]

Probably some black magic rules

[lone patrol]

also, also ok so where is the water even coming from???

[alpine fulcrum]

its hte river styx

[gusty slate]

idk the lore behind river styx

origin at least

[alpine fulcrum]

do i need to explain the water cycle to u

[lone patrol]

i always thought the river starts in the underworld

yes, please explain the magic underworld blood water cycle

[alpine fulcrum]

if its coming from the underworld then the water is coming from magic

[gusty slate]

I guess there are 2 rivers in the underworld? Elysium has the forgetting river

[lone patrol]

ALSO ok so they acknowledge that the olympians only have to care about the humans until they die, but hades has to deal with them forever.. where are these new souls coming from??

is there some reincarnation meme going on that i missed?

i never realized greek mythology had this many plotholes

[gusty slate]

birthing new souls dunno

[tribal glade]

new souls come from new humans - humans are good at making more humans

[gusty slate]

well, then there's the spiritual argument

I'll just blame the Fates for everything

[tribal glade]

ALSO ok so they acknowledge that the olympians only have to care about the humans until they die, but hades has to deal with them forever.. where are these new souls coming from??
@lone patrol i dont get where the issue is here. olympians only care about humans whilst humans are alive. dead humans are hades responsibility. humans make more humans constantly, but the number of dead humans will always be more than the number of alive humans due to short lifespan vs eternity of being dead and so hades has more work for him than all the olympians combined

[shy tartan]

why cant i get the hidden shield aspect?

[gusty slate]

Lifespan is also shorter too

probably rng

[shy tartan]

do you need to be post credits?

[gusty slate]

nope

as long as you've done everything in the pin #h1-story-discussion

[lone patrol]

the problem is that they imply there are just gonna be infinite shades

[shy tartan]

whats supposed to happen after you talk to chaos?

[gusty slate]

Need chaos to comment on the shield once

[lone patrol]

does hell just expand??

[gusty slate]

then when they notice you again they'll do the usual to unlock

[shy tartan]

but does the shield glow?

does your shield morph?

[tribal glade]

does hell just expand??
@lone patrol what do you think the contractor is there for?

[lone patrol]

also what about animals??? the minotaur is there, so what about all the animal souls?

[gusty slate]

Don't you need legendary spear before getting the others?

[shy tartan]

save it for the lore chat

[tribal glade]

why cant i get the hidden shield aspect?
@shy tartan once you've hit all the requirements you just need to keep going till you get the right dialogue - took me many runs, but got there eventually

[shy tartan]

wait what?

spear?

[tribal glade]

you have to unlock the hidden spear aspect before getting any of the others, yes

[gusty slate]

I thought that was the case, but I could be wrong. Need to grab the 4th aspect for spear before the other ones

[shy tartan]

AH

well...

how do i do that?

[gusty slate]

#h1-story-discussion can help with that it's pinned

[shy tartan]

5 blood to spear and talk to achillies?

[gusty slate]

isn't 5 aspects (not zag) unlocked

[long cedar]

use 5 titan blood to another aspect

[shy tartan]

AH

thanks fellas

i was really stuck

[gusty slate]

Yeah it's not really explained

[long cedar]

for shield u need to talk to chaos

[zenith mauve]

Blood of Zeus really makes me appreciate the Hades designs a lot more

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElY8BirX0AAhUco?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElY8PMDWMAIG9qi?format=jpg&name=large

Cause theirs are so bland

[calm laurel]

some greys, some whites, some "gold" and if you're lucky blue or pink.

[brisk trail]

Why that armor looks like vacuumed clothing

[wet marsh]

guys

what's the easiest 3 heat

[real fossil]

What weapon

Cuz DC is basically free for fists and rail

[dusk sandal]

Emergency Measures 1 and 2 lol

[calm laurel]

I like to think it's compensation. Hiding her mom belly for "abs"

[dusk sandal]

if you can handle EM1, generally EM2 is a smaller step up in difficulty

Since your build will be more consolidated by then

[north pier]

Spear can be really insanely easy

especially if you get the dash strike hammer upgrade

but generally EM is gonna be the most doable heat

[real fossil]

True but || the change in arena rlly took for me a loop first time around but it was eventually easy to learn around it ||

Except em4 god i still shudder at the thought of it

[north pier]

It's just ||A third stage on hades, It's not all that bad if you're used to his first two stages||

Really it's easier than you might think

[dusk sandal]

||Depends on which minibosses he decides to summon lmao||

[real fossil]

^^^^

|| doomstone makes me cry every time ||

[north pier]

||As long as you roll the inferno bombers you're set||

[slender skiff]

||I'm more afraid of the Sneak||

[plucky rampart]

finally, I might actually try attacking with Guan Yu now.

try

[north pier]

I have the sneak 100% figured out. I never ever take damage from that boi

The sneak is one of my favorite bosses now

[slender skiff]

He's OK when you fight him in Tartarus.

||But during the Hades fight ||

[north pier]

I feel like my music training finally pays off when I can rely on a sound cue, my tiny brain has a timer somewhere inside it that counts down until the next sneak attack

[alpine fulcrum]

hmm which "thing also gives you other thing" renovation to get

[north pier]

Whichever "thing" that you most prefer, so if you typically lean towards grabbing gemstones then upgrade that first

but you should ||upgrade nectar|| first

that is wildly good

[alpine fulcrum]

i just unlocked the locked hearts for several people

[vestal plank]

upgrade nector?

[zenith mauve]

@brisk trail Greek Armor actually sculpted abs on the plate

it looks silly in real life too

[north pier]

It looks hot*

[old tinsel]

any1 tried guan yu out with the recent patch?

[brisk trail]

I mean yeah they do, but that one in the picture looks more "skintight" kinda

[dusk sandal]

Hidden Spear is as it always was - the bow but you die in 1 hit

[agile sleet]

Hey has anyone heard the "lets make some waves" quote recently? Havent gotten it since the full release

[civic tide]

Hello, question: I am ~35 hours in. Do I need gemstones for anything else than cosmetics? Or can I just trade them for keys/diamonds etc?

[zenith mauve]

"She may have been your mother, my child, but she was never your mommy." - Nyx probably.

Oh my god

I just realized

Dusa is a maid.

Because she is Medusa. Maidusa

[tough silo]

She is also called dusa because she's missing her "me" or her body

Lmao

[crystal jackal]

Hello, question: I am ~35 hours in. Do I need gemstones for anything else than cosmetics? Or can I just trade them for keys/diamonds etc?
@civic tide everything in work orders is gameplay related, else yes, its just cosmetics. though some cosmetics need to be bought in order for specific side stories to progress

[wet marsh]

is dodge chance run a thing

[granite ether]

Not really

There's a soft cap for dodge as it's inverse multiplicative

[wet marsh]

LAME

[civic tide]

@civic tide everything in work orders is gameplay related, else yes, its just cosmetics. though some cosmetics need to be bought in order for specific side stories to progress
@crystal jackal ok I guess I will buy some cosmetics then thx

[tepid plover]

Everything except ||themes||

[dusk sandal]

DODGE IS INVERSE MULTIPLICATIVE? EVERYTHING I KNEW HAS BEEN A LIE

[quaint pagoda]

Has anyone ever suggested the Hades Aspect charged attack just be a teensy bit faster? I feel like most spear aspects are kind of bad but this in particular annoys me

[quasi olive]

Hey guys, I was wondering, what exact effect do ||Hades' skulls have if they hit you? I feel like you take more damage from Hades, but would like to know exactly||.

[real fossil]

yep u take more damage; basically it's like u got hit by your own cast

[quasi olive]

OK cool, thanks a lot!

[latent junco]

If there was hades dlc what would they add

🤔

[hard peak]

after the current story stuff?

[hollow halo]

its like double damage @quasi olive

[glacial vine]

@latent junco
It could be in the olympe!

like idk maybe gods would be pissed and we'll have to fight them

[worthy pawn]

I just figured out how to unlock 4th aspect i am so dumb oh my god

[glacial vine]

60+ run cleared and i'm still missing rail aspect

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worthy pawn]

is there a way to make sisyphus show up more?

[brisk trail]

Pray 🙏 📿

[exotic basalt]

Try some sweet talk with Bouldy

[small sorrel]

Oh my god the Vulkan launch option is heavenly. I started getting lag spikes and reduced performance like 1 year ago and now the game feels so smooth again!

[next umbra]

hats

[glacial vine]

So i launch a 57heat run
then i face this room with the "hand monsters"

• they have a bonus speed

lmao

[dusk mantle]

Vulkan is only for AMD GPUs ?

Game runs fine for the most part here. Just curious though

[exotic basalt]

Nah Vulkan can run on all GPUs fine

It's just not a windows exclusive API like DirectX

[cyan aspen]

Is there a planned date for when the patches for steam will come to switch?

[wheat kayak]

Hades spear spin attack is fine

imo

It offsets the speed (which is the same as other spear afaik) with a much bigger min/max radius

Seeing that you'd be using the spin a lot

or just luccsacc and get Quick Spin

[oak shore]

If there was hades dlc what would they add
@latent junco
First off if any devs here watching please know I would happily pay for DLC a la Binding of Isaac

[spare ridge]

i doubt something like that would happen to Hades in particular honestly

[atomic seal]

vulkan api is nuts

[rustic condor]

hey bros

[atomic seal]

potato laptop running hades at 35 is now suddenly 87+ fps all the time

[rustic condor]

just joined the server

started playing hades 12 days ago

[oak shore]

Secondly I think the obvious ones are new gods and new areas, but I'd love to see them expand existing stuff - floor variants, duo boons, etc. One thing I totally thought was going to happen when the story ended was ||Getting to upkeep Persephone's garden whenever you complete a run, as another thing to do.|| I'd love to see more expansions on layered activities like that to go alongside the ||fishing layer||, social elements etc

I'm a soft idiot at heart I just want to ||get to visit Persephone's garden again and water some crops y'know||

I haven't yet achieved whatever the secondary ending is so I might be missing something

[atomic seal]

its time to play stardew my friend

[oak shore]

As it stands, I totally get why ||they have the narrator talk about you dying in silly ways, and a lot of the time it's funny, but it doesn't feel anything like as cathartic as visiting Persephone's garden always did||

[rustic condor]

when I got to ||Persephone's garden|| I thought that ||I just stumbled upon a random Greek person's land claiming that they are my mother and that this was going to be Zagreus getting to understand the outside world and understand that he truly belongs in his home in the Underworld or something along those lines.||

[oak shore]

That's really funny

[latent junco]

what is vulkan and how do I use it

[atomic seal]

when game start it give you option which render you want

[latent junco]

ty

[atomic seal]

pick vulkan

[rustic condor]

Is there some place on this server where we can suggest game additions?

[atomic seal]

its stupidly balanced render, I never thought my potato could run hades lol

[oak shore]

Kid's storybook about Zagreus walking up to random ||mortal citizens of Greece like "Ay mate are you my mum"||

[glad mica]

Secondly I think the obvious ones are new gods and new areas
uh, depends on what new areas you're talking about

[oak shore]

In the style of "I lost my scarf"

[atomic seal]

I can't think not, liferay

[rustic condor]

Imagine Zagreus' ||feet starting a fire in Greece||

[atomic seal]

@latent junco I dunno if its same for epic store, I'm on steam

[oak shore]

Foot so hot u fry an egg

That sentence looks utterly incoherent if you guys don't have the context of hot hot leg

[latent junco]

I am on steam as well

[spare ridge]

Imagine Zagreus' ||feet starting a fire in Greece||
bro don’t spoil the plotpoint of Hades 2

[oak shore]

@glad mica What's the confusion? It's pretty common for roguelike expansions to add new areas to explore with their own enemies and boss(es)

[glad mica]

well, mostly because Hades is very tightly tied with greek mythology and stuff

[oak shore]

Obviously Hades' areas ||are a lot more linear than a lot of roguelikes|| but I don't see that locking them out of adding new ones down the line

Oh, right. That's a restriction, sure, but nothing that couldn't be worked around if they wanted to

[rustic condor]

I think they should add a feature where you can use the ||archives that show each run you've ever made with all the info|| and make it so you can ||use the same boons/stats to fight Hades with them as a test or "memory" fight||

[oak shore]

I can think of a few things off the top of my head but I'm not a game dev so you can pick a million holes in them I'm sure

[spare ridge]

the only problems i could see with adding new areas would be that it would cost a lot to design them, design the enemies found in that area, design the boss, get the 3d artists to model said enemies and bosses, add in even more voicework and sound designing and supergiant’s already busted their asses to make hades

like i could see it happening maybe but i don’t mind if it doesn’t happen

[oak shore]

The most obvious one I'm sure everyone will have thought of would be like a ||post-Hades "victory run" style fight through Olympus itself where the gods grant enemies boons so they're harder/less predictable, kind of like constant double-god rooms or Theseus fights where they rain lightning down on you or whatever||

But again I'm not a game designer so that's not very well thought through

@spare ridge yeah, totally, that's why I'd be happy to pay for it as DLC rather than being a free update

[glad mica]

so
greek version of "Divine Comedy"

[oak shore]

None of this is me saying the devs SHOULD do this over working on a cool new game for us all to love, but I'm adoring Hades and would be delighted if that was a route they chose

As an amateur writer I know you're successful at writing a finished piece when your audience wants more but as a player I just /want more please/

[wheat kayak]

I'm honestly fine with them just adding balance patches for a while seeing that the pact is going to add like a good hundred hour for me

[oak shore]

Yeah, for sure, I'm only at like ||heat 8||

[glad mica]

bruh, I'm at ||heat 3|| rn
I think Imma do a marathon of runs someday, because there's a lot of stuff to do
like ||prophecies||

[oak shore]

I've enjoyed spacing things out, avoiding burnout with marathons

[rain osprey]

please, supergiant. please just let divine dash work as a prerequisite for Merciful End. my children are starving. please

it's so good but the fact that it can't ever appear unless you specifically have athena on attack / ares on special (or the other way around) with no other possible combinations allowed is so dumb

[oak shore]

TBH whenever I come across stuff like that I'm like "You know what this sucks but they probably had reason for it"

[granite ether]

there's many a reason why divine dash ain't a prereq for ME
that reason being ||gilgamesh|| exists, also it'll become even more prevelant as a build again on fists in general

[wheat kayak]

Honestly I'm fine with Divine Dash not a prereq for ME

it's absurdly strong as is

[oak shore]

Divine Dash is already so dang good on its own that nerfing upgrades to it seems fine

[wheat kayak]

Try Zeus shield with ME

[oak shore]

It took me until after ||the first ending|| to get to a point where I didn't feel like I /needed/ Divine Dash to make a run work

Mostly because I'm trash at dodging but hey

[granite ether]

imagine a world where ||gilgamesh|| could get ME with doom attack and divine dash

[glad mica]

idk, I always though it was kinda meh

[granite ether]

that would be absolutely absurd and I'd love it

[wheat kayak]

def works better on non-heavy moveset, fast attacking weapons

[rain osprey]

that world already exists @granite ether , you just need athena special too even if you never ever plan to use it, for reasons that i still think make no sense

[granite ether]

so what you're saying is that world doesn't directly exist :3

[glad mica]

I just wish that someday I'll get both Massive Spin and Quick Spin in the same run

[granite ether]

ME is fine where it is imo, it doesn't need a buff or a nerf

divine dash is incredibly powerful as is without it giving access to the best boon in the game for fists

[rain osprey]

@glad mica i got that with hades spear once. it was downright silly

[glad mica]

boi
I wish I had this luck in my poseidon run

because
rng?

[odd birch]

it shouldn't be rng at all, it should be guaranteed to spawn

why even visit mid area shops besides to do this

[granite ether]

||The Charon fight is spoilers in this channel, spoiiler tags please|| @odd birch

[atomic seal]

if its not rng then you will always wipe out charon shop by the time you reach final shop

what is challenge? xd

[odd birch]

there's already rng in even getting a shop

[zealous galleon]

it shouldn't be rng at all, it should be guaranteed to spawn
@odd birch these RNG things are intentionally there to stretch out how long you play the game I think

[odd birch]

and you have to do the damn thing 10 times for the codex, it's worse than onions

[atomic seal]

itsroguelite/likegame

[oak shore]

Is there? I thought shops were guaranteed

[thorny crescent]

Charon best boy

[atomic seal]

2 shops each region is 100%

[glad mica]

imagine complaining about rng in a roguelike
shops are guaranteed before boss fights, btw

[zealous galleon]

i mean, complaining is fine I think

[thorny crescent]

My man literally went through hell to give us some boons and poms

[granite ether]

again ||the charon fight is spoilers in this channel|| so spoiler tags please

[zealous galleon]

I can't imagine someone not ever having a complaint about RNG

[odd birch]

i think they started talking about regular shops anyway

[atomic seal]

I also complain when rng refuse to give me legendary boon

[granite ether]

RNG giveth and taketh away

[thorny crescent]

||of course Charon’s fight is difficult he went through actual hell to get us some game winning items and you have the audacity to steal from him||

[atomic seal]

I probably have obtain more duo boons than legendary but then again most legendary boons feel weak compared to duos tbh

[oak shore]

Yeah, ||discovering Charon fight without knowing about it beforehand|| is up there for my favourite surprise in the game, just below ||the payoff for the Dionysus/Orpheus dialogue tree||, so I wouldn't want that spoiled for anyone

[granite ether]

||"borrow" totally not stealing ||

[zealous galleon]

isn't there some kind of codex listing or a line from a character that mentions that even the gods are intimidated by ||charon||?

I vaguely remember that

I think a line from Nyx?

[granite ether]

|| like this ||

[thorny crescent]

||"borrow" totally not stealing :klinkOP: ||
Ah yes Zagreus is a man of culture he would never do such a thing

[odd birch]

||the fight is easy, the difficult part is getting the damn moneybag to spawn||

[granite ether]

or /spoiler at the start of the message if on desktop

[atomic seal]

you can highlight any text on discord and have spoiler option

[glad mica]

• Bogdanoff, ||he wants to fight with Charon||
• Distract him
• He didn't get a single chance during the entire run, he's going to complain on discord
• Perfect

[zealous galleon]

Honestly? ||actually borrowing money from charon for one run and then paying it off in the next one would be cool||

[granite ether]

also a desktop only thing Rana

[atomic seal]

ah

[glad mica]

yeah, mobile discord is not very good

[thorny crescent]

Honestly? ||actually borrowing money from charon for one run and then paying it off in the next one would be cool||
actually an amazing suggestion

[oak shore]

@zealous galleon along those lines I think it would be nice if you could ||give Charon your remaining gold manually in Styx before heading to fight Hades||

[atomic seal]

you already ||paid charon by beating the living hell out of him, thug lyfe zag||

[glad mica]

@oak shore I mean, ||just buy everything you can 4Head||

[zealous galleon]

If you ||steal money from Charon|| you basically choose to go into a fight but what you could do with the borrowing is that ||if you don't pay back the money in the next run after you borrowed the money, you're forced into a fight with him||

[oak shore]

I also really really want to give ||my colosseum fan a nectar even if it gives me nothing in return||

[thorny crescent]

^^

[zealous galleon]

Makes the run after ||you borrow money|| potentially a bit harder if you can't pay it back

[granite ether]

same tbh

[zealous galleon]

adds another thing you need to keep in mind and keep track of

[granite ether]

i want to give em nectar, they deserve it

[oak shore]

I adore ||colloseum fan with all my heart and want the best for that funk shade||

[thorny crescent]

“Always greet the good shade” - Albert Einstein

[glad mica]

||Charon's obol collectors, pog||

[atomic seal]

gibe nector ||to bouldy ||

[granite ether]

why not both 😉

[thorny crescent]

gibe nector ||to bouldy ||
@atomic seal wait you can actually do that?

[wheat kayak]

Honestly hidden boss fight isn't too bad for me so far

[atomic seal]

alright I didnt spoil it for you

you click it on yourself

[zealous galleon]

lmaooo

[wheat kayak]

If I get lucky and I'm confident with my build I'd always go for it

[oak shore]

Oh I always give nectar to ||Bouldy|| but I don't love ||Bouldy|| like I love ||colloseum fan||

[wheat kayak]

But this is without ||HL, LC, CF, the like||

[ebon blade]

giving nectar ||to bouldy is it's main use||

[granite ether]

in tarterus hidden boss is incredibly punishing

[thorny crescent]

look I click on everything I’m really far into the game already

[wheat kayak]

Obviously I'm not going for hidden boss in Tartarus

[atomic seal]

@thorny crescent if you believe in yourself you can even give nector to dad's chair

trust me fam it just work

[wheat kayak]

Unless I got my duo prereqs ready already which tends to not be the case until Asphodel

maybe

[thorny crescent]

LOL

[whole escarp]

Alguém do BR aqui?

[atomic seal]

man ||Sisyphus quest need a little nerf, imagine not believing in bouldy early game||

I dun speak br

[zealous galleon]

Oh I always give nectar to ||Bouldy|| but I don't love ||Bouldy|| like I love ||colloseum fan||
@oak shore || https://i.imgur.com/GqWgZnP.png ||

[thorny crescent]

Y E S

the good shade is the actual best character

[oak shore]

YES EXACTLY

[atomic seal]

I guess I'm only ||sad soul that simp for bouldy||

[zealous galleon]

look i understand

I simp meg

some people like her, others can't stand her voice

[oak shore]

Listen, ||Bouldy|| is great but they don't go

Y'know?

[zealous galleon]

yeah yeah

[atomic seal]

||Simping for meg? I bet they were all heart broken by dusa friendzone||

[oak shore]

After finishing a fight with ||the nasty boys||, especially if my build wasn't great, it's so cathartic for ||good shade to go ||

[zealous galleon]

who's dusa, never heard of them

[oak shore]

I was DELIGHTED by ||Dusa setting limits and wanting to be friends||

[atomic seal]

when a ||floating head reject you, life is suffering indeed||

[zealous galleon]

oh yeah that reminds me

i only understood this pun because of a specific reddit thread I happened to be browsing but

dusa

she is a maid

maid dusa

it took me

a long time to get that one

[atomic seal]

....

[zealous galleon]

I hope everyone here got that before I did

[atomic seal]

this is why never simp for meg

[oak shore]

Dusa was the first character I maxed out my relationship with and ||getting aro rep|| as a reward for that made me real happy

[atomic seal]

my first max out friendship was dog

[runic lintel]

Mine is of course Charon

[zealous galleon]

dog

[atomic seal]

dog is love, dog is life

[oak shore]

I think I'm at like three hearts with dog because I'm a monster

[atomic seal]

wow, bet you didnt even pet

[granite ether]

same twonk I love that there's ||ace and aro rep|| in hades alongside ||bi, poly and gay rep|| to

[oak shore]

Yeah!

[zealous galleon]

|| https://i.imgur.com/I1ky5EQ.png ||

[oak shore]

Plus ||Chaos being nb|| which is fun

[magic sable]

For when vulkan with services epic services?

[full nexus]

I like this channel, clicking to read the messages is a fun minigame

[zealous galleon]

honestly yeah

[granite ether]

there's not enough media that has rep for healthy relationships let alone LBGTQIA+ rep

[zealous galleon]

weird roulette type game to play

[oak shore]

It's like shooting the credits in smash

[zealous galleon]

I've gotten some stuff spoiled for me here

and others I'm like "wait that really counts as a spoiler?"

[oak shore]

Apologies if I'm overzealous with spoiler boxes I'm just never sure

[granite ether]

you're fine ^_^

[zealous galleon]

||you're fine||

[oak shore]

:P

[granite ether]

I love chaos going by they/them pronouns

[full nexus]

||Zagreus dies at the end||

[granite ether]

it also makes sense with them being the primordial entity

[pure barn]

How long until ||bouldy|| in smash

[zealous galleon]

i honestly would like zagreus in smash

[oak shore]

It falls a little into the trap of ||nb characters needing to be distanced from humanity by being robots or aliens or whatever||, but given how nice the rest of the rep is in the game I don't think badly of it

[granite ether]

zag in smash with ||bouldy|| final smash

[pure barn]

It would be quite weird as he plays a 3d game and translating that movement to smash would be hard

[granite ether]

with chaos, chaos is that chaotic so their gender is also that...chaos

[pure barn]

But I suppose Minecraft is a 3d game

[oak shore]

Obviously ||Chaos isn't literally a robot or an alien but they clearly have a different way of processing reality||

Loads of 3d game characters end up in smash

[granite ether]

I would like more nb rep too but that's asking a bit much from an already incredible game

[zealous galleon]

I love how effortlessly Hades does rep, not only sexuality related but also race

[pure barn]

What does NB stand for?

[zealous galleon]

naturally the game being set in ancient greek times makes it easier but still

[granite ether]

non-binary

[oak shore]

Nonbinary

[pure barn]

Oh right

[granite ether]

agreed, it's a case of "hey this super awesome character, they also happen to be x thing"

[oak shore]

I've seen some folks use it to mean non-black as well, which can cause confusion sometimes

[granite ether]

instead of a lot of cases in media where it's "this person is x, they're also awesome"

[zealous galleon]

I don't see the problem with that second one Aggy tbh

[oak shore]

naturally the game being set in ancient greek times makes it easier but still
@zealous galleon

Do we know that it's set in the past? I'd always headcanoned it was a present day AU

[zealous galleon]

unless I misunderstood what you're saying

[granite ether]

the problem is they're making the thing the defining trait

[oak shore]

I guess ||Adamant Rail|| gets in the way there

[zealous galleon]

I vaguely remember there being hints about when it takes place, but I can't name any specific lines or anything right now

that's one yeah

[granite ether]

whereas in hades the character comes first, not the thing

[zealous galleon]

do we know how long Achilles has been dead?

also yeah I see what you're saying now Aggy

[oak shore]

I'd always had the sense all the stuff they discussed was old old history, but I guess there's nothing explicitly saying that

[zealous galleon]

I tried to google it and all I got was September 17, 2020 lmaooo

[oak shore]

Like, the vibe I get from ||Patroclus|| is that he's been ||doing nothing in paradise for centuries||

[zealous galleon]

The vibe I got was definitely that he has been there for a while but it could have easily just been years

I mean if you're bored out of your mind, just a few years and centuries is the same basically

[granite ether]

what even is time in the underworld

[oak shore]

Yeah, I guess I never really challenged that assumption of myself

[granite ether]

the ||sundial keeps telling me it's 7:48, must be broken||

[atomic seal]

food in hades is good sign what year game is set in I think

[glad mist]

It mentions people praying to the gods

[atomic seal]

its modern time

aka now

[zealous galleon]

time definitely does go on in the underworld, and it looks like it's in-sync with ||greece because we see greece in the game and yeah||

well it can't be modern time due to the adamant rail

[oak shore]

When I first ||checked the sundial|| it was like 7.40 IRL and I genuinely thought it was a ||working clock||

I haven't seen any of the ||hidden aspects|| yet so I can't speak to what they add to the lore

[glad mist]

Most the myths are set before the time they were told too. Like the stuff with achilles was meant to be something that happened a while ago when the illiad was made not a current thing so I mean even if patroclus has been there a while it could still be in ancient Greek time

[oak shore]

I've seen that one of them is ||Guan Yu|| which instantly blasts the timeline into AD at least

[glad mist]

Not necessarily

||aspects can be from the future||

[zealous galleon]

now that I think about it, I don't think the aspects really indicate time

[atomic seal]

it makes no sense if game is set in AD or BC even, food that restore your health is quite literally.. junk food, french fries lol

[zealous galleon]

the adamant rail hidden aspect is ||Lucifer, which shouldn't even be known at that point in time||

true but there is probably also some element of gameplay mechanics and 4th wall breaking involved here imo

because the adamant rail has a lore description that directly contradicts the possibility of it taking place in modern times right?

[glad mist]

Well the codex is from achillies pov

So he wouldn't know if guns were made

[zealous galleon]

the food stuff is probably just supposed to be a funny gameplay mechanic, "haha french fries in hell"

[glad mist]

Even if they were

[zealous galleon]

true hmm

[atomic seal]

ares dialogue is also fun, he said "war" is going on

on surface i.e

maybe ww 3 xd

[zealous galleon]

wait a sec

the ||orpheus dionysus zagreus thing||

the game can't take place in modern times because of that

[atomic seal]

what about it?

[glad mist]

What

[zealous galleon]

That storyline is a reference to a specific cult/sect/whatever in ancient greece that believes that ||Dionysus and Zagreus|| are the same being iirc

[atomic seal]

eh tbh I just believe underworld likes to live in their past culture

[glad mica]

just got massive spin
and I also have quick spin
pog

[zealous galleon]

if we assume that the surface world of Hades is historically accurate to our IRL world, it wouldn't make sense because that means Orphism was created in modern times and not, yknow, back in ancient greece when people IRL already believed in it

just got massive spin
and I also have quick spin
pog
@glad mica which one do you use the most

[atomic seal]

what really throw modern time theory is ||when you meet persephone||

no sign of any modern tech

or anythin in general

[oak shore]

It's also worth saying that ancient rome and greece had junk food

[zealous galleon]

yeah I was thinking about that too but you could argue that she just lives in a part of greece that is unhabited and she doesn't like tech seeing as how she's supposed to be this ancient goddess

[oak shore]

It would have looked a bit different but it existed

[zealous galleon]

ayyy i want some ancient greek french fries

[glad mica]

@zealous galleon nah, I mean
I have both of them rn
got quick spin in tartarus
I'm at elysium rn

[zealous galleon]

ohh I'm stupid nvm

[atomic seal]

does geek mythology took place during the time when explosive gun power was a thing?

[zealous galleon]

explosive gunpowder was developed in the 9th century

so I don't think so

[oak shore]

Yeah, the references to the ||war on the surface|| had me really intrigued when I first found them, I thought the game's story was gonna go in a v different direction

[zealous galleon]

it highkey made me want a sequel game where Zagreus ends the war Wonder Woman movie style

[atomic seal]

lmao

it could be anything

they could have any food for the game and it was just what they had in their mind

so i'm prob over thinking

[oak shore]

My personal headcanon as of this discussion is that ||Demeter plunging the world into eternal winter is the divergence point for an alternate history earth where it's the modern day but humans have proof the gods exist so they never stopped being worshipped||

[zealous galleon]

It's perfectly possible that Chaos, in their Chaos causing self, decided that french fries from hell was a good idea

[oak shore]

That's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it

[zealous galleon]

That works tbh

[oak shore]

Unless literally anything else comes along that seems more fun I have no loyalty

[atomic seal]

I also agree, twonk

[zealous galleon]

personally my headcanon is that it's set in ancient greek times

[atomic seal]

I like to believe humans yeet themselves with nukes and stuff

nuclear winter came

[zealous galleon]

I don't think we can find out how early the game is taking place historically but we do kind of know how late

[atomic seal]

people still on war and thats what ares refer to

[zealous galleon]

achilles, heracles and theseus for example are all dead

[atomic seal]

heracles is dead?

zag said "i'd like to meet him some day"

[oak shore]

Zagreus thought he might ||be the champion, implying he's dead||

[zealous galleon]

yeah

[true steeple]

There's dialogues mentioning the weapons ||are semi-sentient(?) and that the Goddess Hestia 'invented' the Rail and its description mention the Underworld is 'keeping it in check' for as long as possible before it lets itself be 'discovered' by mortals.|| so it stand to reason it's still Ancient Greek after a fashion.

[oak shore]

That tracks

[atomic seal]

is requirement for champion is really that?

you have to be dead?

[oak shore]

I just love the idea of Zag ||getting to the surface and having people take selfies with him||

For that alone I will ignore logic and reason

[zealous galleon]

I doubt SGG actually kept this much detail in mind when writing one-off lines like this but if they were historically accurate with Heracles' death, you can assume that the game at least takes place after the year 79

uhh, after christ

[oak shore]

@atomic seal it's not explicitly stated but it wouldn't make sense to me for ||Heracles to be the champion unless he was dead or an underworld god||

[zealous galleon]

I doubt this though, if the game is set in ancient greece it's probably set hundreds of years before that

[bold gate]

you have to be dead?
@atomic seal I'd imagine so. Otherwise, how are you in the underworld? Only very few people have ever been in the underworld.

[oak shore]

Maybe I'm overthinking it but I actually would have though SGG /would/ put a fair bit of thought into their worldbuilding on that front

[strong furnace]

I thought Hades wouldn't allow Heracles to be champion. That's what it seemed like

[zealous galleon]

i think SGG has done awesome with world building but the game has like 30K (or something?) lines, I doubt they fact checked all of them extensively

[bold gate]

Heracles never dies in the mythology. Since he's semi divine, the fates can't cut his life cord or wtvr it's called. So he's chilling on Olympus. No Elysium for him.

[wheat kayak]

Herakles was already dead in the game but Hades disliked him I think

[zealous galleon]

lmaooooo i understand why

imagine

[wheat kayak]

I get the impression he's vibing in Elysium somewhere

[oak shore]

They've spent years on the project and it's very story/character focused, I'd have always leaned more towards "they know what they're doing" than assuming a given thing was just an error

[zealous galleon]

a bastard son of zeus gets to chill in olympus but you're still stuck in hell

[oak shore]

Even if it's an error, hey, it's canon now babey

Author is dead

[zealous galleon]

Well it's like

It's not necessarily an error

This wasn't something that was said in-game, it's an IRL thing

[oak shore]

Sorry, yeah, bad word

[zealous galleon]

BTW is there a certain level or rank you need to unlock before you can just send pictures normally? Having to upload stuff to imgur is getting kind of annoying

[atomic seal]

@bold gate funny enough heracles was one of the few who went underworld and came back just fine

[true steeple]

Well, Ares mentions ||the wars happening upstairs, and he did say the Rail is still being 'hidden' so the timeline is still before the gunpowder becomes viable/widespread for handheld weapons|| at the every least (I'm not sure what I can or cannot mention so have more spoilers)

[oak shore]

Now that you mention it, might be kinda funny for ||Orpheus to be a lil bitter about Zag being a Herakles fanboy||

[zealous galleon]

Would've been fun if there was a small convo about that after ||Zagreus gets killed by Theseus||

[true steeple]

@zealous galleon (I don't think you are ever allowed to do that? This is a big server so there's too much of a risk of spammers if the process was automatic.)

[oak shore]

I do adore that ||the first few times Zag fights Theseus he's like "are you SURE Herakles isn't the champion"||

[bold gate]

@bold gate funny enough heracles was one of the few who went underworld and came back just fine
@atomic seal Right but he's not there. Like he's not staying in the underworld so he wouldn't be the champion of one of the suburbs of the underworld?

[true steeple]

You know I don't see Herakles as the type to want to be under constant attention like Theseus seems to enjoy

[atomic seal]

nah i'm saying zag know so little about people around himself that he might know many things how things work

hercules kidnap the dog iirc

[zealous galleon]

Ah that makes sense

[wheat kayak]

I've been in a server that allowed image posting but that was also one with a mod team pretty much able to be on staff 24/7 and it used to be invite link-only
then when it was public we get people asking for girlfriends because the server's name has Girls in it but it's a gacha game server
but anyway

[atomic seal]

why he would fan boy him?

answer is simple like hades himself said: you know so little boy

[zealous galleon]

just, asking for girlfriends

[green pawn]

Who are you danboying over?

[zealous galleon]

Achilles, Heracles, doggo

take your pick

[green pawn]

Doggie good doggo

[atomic seal]

but I find it odd if he is indeed dead

where did he go?

[zealous galleon]

olympus

[true steeple]

Like, Herakles had some pretty horrifying moments in his life as far as I can remember so I can see him just wanting to chill in the afterlife

[atomic seal]

oh if demi god die they go olympus?

[zealous galleon]

chilling with his daddy and other gods

well not necessarily I think

[strong furnace]

Zeus chose Heracles

[zealous galleon]

it's just herakles who goes to olympus

[wheat kayak]

my knowledge of Greek myth is shaky at best, didn't knew Herakles went to Olympus after all that

[strong furnace]

To go to Olympus

[green pawn]

He was made a god to guard the gates of olympus

[zealous galleon]

so he's reverse doggo

[green pawn]

Yup

[oak shore]

He was granted godhood

Like ||Percy Jackson||

[atomic seal]

oh god screw that movie

[dusk mantle]

Going to try Vulkan

[elder hornet]

I remember Hercs Labors and some other stuff

[zealous galleon]

i have never read or seen percy jackson but I really want to

[oak shore]

What movie there's never been a movie only books

[zealous galleon]

im so lazy though

[elder hornet]

About greek mythology

[green pawn]

Vulkan is unwieldly

[strong furnace]

I thought Percy Jackson had like at least 1 movie, no?

[wheat kayak]

It had more than 1 movie

[atomic seal]

its sarcasm

[zealous galleon]

[oak shore]

@zealous galleon if you can vibe with audiobooks, they're good unchallenging fun to stick on while doing other stuff

[atomic seal]

like i like to believe db evolution doesnt exist

[strong furnace]

Oh ok, I never got into it. Too YA

[zealous galleon]

I'll consider that, thank you @oak shore

[green pawn]

The <redacted> was erased from history

[wheat kayak]

Honestly I wasn't a fan of Percy Jackson, think I outgrew its target audience by now

you know, the classic teenager power fantasy

[true steeple]

I remember the TV Series Hercules with Kevin Sorbo. That was good times.

[oak shore]

Percy Jackson, Artemis Fowl and his Dark Materials are great examples of wonderful book series that never got any film adaptations

[zealous galleon]

lmao

His Dark Materials has an awesome show though

[oak shore]

Series 2 out next month, apparently

[zealous galleon]

I've got screener access to the second season of it and it's just as good as the first season

[oak shore]

Ooh

[zealous galleon]

We're also getting a Percy Jackson show

[atomic seal]

I only seen the first movie

poor me

[oak shore]

Percy Jackson show is gonna be on Disney Plus, right?

[night schooner]

How many hammers can you get in a run?

[zealous galleon]

Yeah

[wheat kayak]

2 hammers max iirc

[oak shore]

If Disney are touching it I don't trust it

[wheat kayak]

Actually, 3 hammers max but only with Anvil

[zealous galleon]

I don't trust it either haha but Rick Riordan is attached to the project

It could still be good

I honestly just want a good high fantasy tv show, I don't really care what it's an adaptation of

[wheat kayak]

And anvil might take away your good hammer for another one that might be run ending depending on your build

[oak shore]

Yeah, I'm not denying the possibility I'm just refusing to be excited about it

[wheat kayak]

Or a bad hammer for a good one that saves your run

[night schooner]

Anvil?

[atomic seal]

anvil rng is trash unless you already have bad hammer upgrade

[wheat kayak]

An item you can buy from the stop at Styx

If your hammers are good, no reason to touch it yeah

[oak shore]

Yeah I pretty much only ever take anvil if I have a hammer that's actively hindering me

[true steeple]

(might want to move the off topic to general discussion guys btw)

[wheat kayak]

uhh 275 obols at base without ||gold membership card|| or ||CF||

[atomic seal]

anvil is barely used, why would you risk whole run over a rng if you're doing just "fine"

[wheat kayak]

iirc

[true steeple]

but yes Anvil is a risky choice if you have already good Hammer upgrades

[atomic seal]

I prob only used it once because I was doing cast build

otherwise its like yeeting yourself

[oak shore]

First time I did it was only a pretty solid run when I didn't know what it did

Gave me the rail upgrade that makes your special damage you, I melted myself

[atomic seal]

LOL

[wheat kayak]

F

[atomic seal]

hazard bomb

[true steeple]

ouch

[atomic seal]

eris rail + hazard bomb

[wheat kayak]

Hazard Bomb on Eris for big brained strats

[atomic seal]

why this combo even exist

[wheat kayak]

Only for psychogamers

[oak shore]

Wait, what's allowed?

[wheat kayak]

Hazard Bomb is not disabled on Eris

[oak shore]

I hadn't bought Eris rail yet but I just presumed

[atomic seal]

cut me some slack, when I was new to game I was one of that smooth brain that picked hazard bomb on eris

[oak shore]

That's hilarious

[atomic seal]

;__;

[night schooner]

So is there any use to Varatha's special? I find myself never using is because i feel its so weak

[oak shore]

I want to see a run with Eris Hazard and a bunch of revenge boons

[atomic seal]

self dmg isn't too bad actually

its just 5 dmg

[heavy breach]

Maybe that's big brain if you're running a revenge build

[wheat kayak]

implying my brain isn't as smooth as Hades' marble pillars

[atomic seal]

hol up

Maybe that's big brain if you're running a revenge build

why I never thought about this

[wheat kayak]

• Ares/Zeus duo?

I like that idea

[atomic seal]

does eris buff your revenge boon dmg? xd

[hexed trail]

Eris + hazard + revenge = full suicide bomber build

I love it

[heavy breach]

I'm the bloodless bomber now

[wheat kayak]

@night schooner imo spear can be built around either spec or attack

Though usually both at the same time for me depending on which duo I aim for

[atomic seal]

how2usespear

[heavy breach]

press q, win

then try to do the spin attack and die

[wheat kayak]

It's basically your long range option that isn't cast

[atomic seal]

I sincerely can't use any spear beside achilles spear

[heavy breach]

achilles spear is the rush one right

[wheat kayak]

My fav is Hades and hidden

[atomic seal]

and that too only because of cast

yeh

[heavy breach]

Hidden one is very fun but I'm dumb and keep dying to Big Dps ||Hades||

[wheat kayak]

Quick Spin hidden

But redacted says no

Then again my hidden is lvl 1

It's only 50% penalty at max so I should get the blood for that

[heavy breach]

oh, only 50%?

[wheat kayak]

reportedly

[heavy breach]

You're just running the ||confident damage|| mirror thing

I forget the name

[wheat kayak]

It's still 30 health with Thick Skin talent

uhh 17 with High Confidence

lvl 1

[heavy breach]

At max I mean

That's a very good trade off

[wheat kayak]

probably 50 and 25 then

I'm not dalao enough for High Confidence

[oak shore]

I'm a baby who loves chaos shield

[heavy breach]

I need to try more of the green stuff

[wheat kayak]

Unless bow/rail or something then I usually don't get hit

Chaos was my jam until I discovered the magic of Zeus and hidden shield

[heavy breach]

Zeus shield with artemis supporting fire

[wheat kayak]

Zeus shield slaps

[heavy breach]

zeus shield spin slaps

[wheat kayak]

of course

[heavy breach]

chaos shield is pretty meh though

[wheat kayak]

I ran Ares attack/Athena spec towards Merciful End

• Ares Doom passives too

[heavy breach]

hot take

Zagreus stygian is pretty fun

[atomic seal]

chaos shield is pretty meh though
I agree

[heavy breach]

15% is zoomin'

[atomic seal]

hidden shield is best imo

idk why people nut over chaos

[heavy breach]

Haven't got the blood for it yet

[wheat kayak]

Chaos used to be super good even at lower blood levels

[queen wharf]

They nerfed Chaos Shield pretty badly at 1.0 release

[heavy breach]

What did it used to do?

[wheat kayak]

I think it's still a decent, comfort pick

[heavy breach]

Because I swear, I don't even notice the extra shields

[atomic seal]

maybe I can't shield at all thats why I find chaos absolute trash but before 1.0 I could swear bull rush special was better dmg

[wheat kayak]

The extra shields actually behaved like if you threw 5 more shields

richocheting off targets on their own

It's like Dread Flight hammer on steroids

iirc

[atomic seal]

chaos shield bull rush special is not like that lol

only one shield bounch

bounce*

rest just one hit and disappear

[wheat kayak]

pre-1.0?

[atomic seal]

if you get dread flight only one shield bounce iirc

[oak shore]

Yo they WHAT

That's awesome

[atomic seal]

I can't remember I stop playing hades between june to august I think then I went straight into 1.0

[oak shore]

It did disappoint me first time I got explosive catch hammer with Chaos

[atomic seal]

so i'm talking only about 1.0

[night schooner]

Just to be sure, if i remove piercing butterfly i lose the attack bonus accumulated right?

[oak shore]

Yeah I only got it on release

[wheat kayak]

It's still a comfort pick imo

[heavy breach]

woah, ok, that's good to know

[oak shore]

Yeah it's cosy

[wheat kayak]

Though you might actually get more mileage from a maxed Zagreus

It's +15 damage or something?

[atomic seal]

+15 yeh

[oak shore]

I have zag aspects maxed on all the weapons cos I'm basic so maybe I'll try that next time I do a shield run

[wheat kayak]

For a while I heard the meta was absolutely dominated by Chaos shield then came 1.0

[heavy breach]

A lot of the zag aspects are kinda eh...

+dodge chance on fists?

[atomic seal]

I thought meta was dio cast + hera bow lol

[heavy breach]

+ammo capacity on rail?

[wheat kayak]

Zag sword is very badly powercreeped by aspects imo

[atomic seal]

one shot final boss xd

[heavy breach]

Only reason I like zag sword is because it makes me faster

[wheat kayak]

Hey the +ammo is pretty good

Though if you get Delta Chamber for any of the other aspects then it's a moot point, still RNG though

[atomic seal]

you haven't tried zag's bow + charged volly hammer upgrade lmao

that thing is just insane and i'm surprised its not nerfed yet

[oak shore]

Extra ammo definitely helped me with rail

[wheat kayak]

Also default bow has like 10% crit chance which is only 5% short compared to Artemis attack

[atomic seal]

then again it could be because getting charged volley on first hammer is hard

[wheat kayak]

So you go stack Deadly Strike on top to get 25% crit chance

• Pressure Points if you want

[atomic seal]

nah we go smooth brain and get aphro special and heart rend duo

[wheat kayak]

Not sure if the crit chance is global or only for attack

[oak shore]

I hate aphro special with a passion

[heavy breach]

Aphro special is alright

I prefer my cast to be a shotgun than my rail, that's for sure

[oak shore]

I'm aware it's a get good thing but the RANGE

[heavy breach]

It's that sexy sexy aoe tho

Just annihilate some skeletons in the corner

[atomic seal]

well bow special can be your main source of dmg or glorified debuff tool that you barely use

[wheat kayak]

Honestly I think that you either focus nearly entirely on your cast or you ignore it completely

[heavy breach]

Ah, cast with debuff can be a really good way of supporting a build

[wheat kayak]

The latter worked well for me even on dedicated melee weapons like fists simply because I don't need cast at all

You aren't wrong

depends on which cast you get I guess

[atomic seal]

can't ignore cast, you need to get % dmg buff from mirror when cast is stick to your enemy

pretty good against boss

[wheat kayak]

I pretty much exclusively run FF nowadays

[heavy breach]

what's ff again

[wheat kayak]

Family Favourite

[atomic seal]

I forget upgrade name

boiling blood

I think

[wheat kayak]

Well, a hyperbole then but yeah lodging casts in bosses

otherwise I don't bother

zero cast is good enough if that's all I need to do

UC actually made me appreciate that the purging pool exists so I can get free money for boons I'll never utilise

[oak shore]

Crystal clarity is definitely my favourite boon upgrade, and I haven't found it too difficult to get when I decide j want it while still allowing for a good rest of my build

[wheat kayak]

Before that I'm like a boon hoarder

[atomic seal]

normal player: purging boon for money
smooth brain player: PURGING THE BOON SO YOU ONLY GET POM UPGRADE ON YOUR ATTACK D:<