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#h1-discussion
winter pike
brisk trail
Don't purge me !
brisk trail
Oh gods
real fossil
ah yes true best boi
novel wasp
ah yes
leon from resident evil 2
honestly change the hair color a little bit this is literally the same meme applies for than
brisk trail
how do i choose a rank ?
real fossil
rank?
winter pike
Lmao leon
brisk trail
yeah like Hades,He/him..
winter pike
Does Hades desire to escape get any explanation past haha teenagers ammiright
Gah
Not hades
Zagreus
knotty marten
yes
wheat kayak
I bet Zag is basically the equivalent of a mortal 15-16 year old
winter pike
Ok
novel wasp
mod purge incoming
winter pike
Ok Meg time
posting with extra steps?
winter pike
EZ CLAP GET FRICKED MEG
winter pike
LETS GOOIII
novel wasp
@latent jetty i mean it is
chrome locust
time for lava :)
knotty karma
Screw off, bot. Cast yourself into the fires. (Not you guys. Congrats, Orpheus Hater!)
novel wasp
novel wasp
@latent jetty have a hermes faceplant into your screen
latent jetty
i knew it lol
knotty karma
crap.
knotty marten
just dash on solid land lul
chrome locust
Stands in lava for one femtosecond while at one hp
winter pike
Oh nos
knotty karma
Of course swearbot nanny doesn't think crap is a bad word.
real fossil
can i just say the lil chibi-like thingos of the gods n friends are adroable
chrome locust
THERE IS NO ESCAPE
knotty karma
I hate how I got Seeking Fire, Cluster Bomb, a crapton of attack upgrades/doom revenge/low-health defense crap
And I still got laid out by the final boss after making mincemeat of everything with the rail.
winter pike
Uhm so like u////u if I like die. . . In this next area uuuuhhhh uwu
brisk trail
I bet Zag is basically the equivalent of a mortal 15-16 year old
@wheat kayak More 18/19 than 15/16*
winter pike
Do I like u//////u go all the way back uwu
wheat kayak
Lava on ||EM2|| Hydra slays me
chrome locust
Yes
mystic kernel
Yeah
wheat kayak
winter pike
Sadge moment
chrome locust
Have fun
real fossil
get to learning those new attack patterns while u can :^)
wheat kayak
I don't want to know what ||EM2 + HS|| looks like
winter pike
I'm scawed :')
latent jetty
is there a boon that makes the bow volley home in on a target?
chrome locust
there is no escape
wheat kayak
I think that's called Chiron
knotty karma
Zag sure acts like a teenager at times. ...which is kinda the point.
real fossil
theres an aspect
mystic kernel
But you progress the story gradually and you can get stronger as you go so you aren't completely losing out
knotty karma
Yeah, Angel.
knotty karma
i forget which God grants it
wheat kayak
That's an aspect
winter pike
This area is spooky
mystic kernel
Im pretty sure zag is not a teen tho he looks like he's 20 something
latent jetty
he looks 20ish yeah
knotty karma
I figure he's "eighteen" at the least.
He's one of those people whose age is just "...twenties"
novel wasp
i wish I can have cluster bomb and triple bomb
winter pike
Bruh this area is WHAXK
knotty karma
Stick around us Asians, Bokuto. >_>
real fossil
asians represent
wheat kayak
It's the classic trope of teenagers looking like young adults I bet, or in some more egregious cases looking like a middle aged man
novel wasp
asians represent by being a god at speedrunners
knotty karma
My mom still gets carded and have people asking me if she's my sister.
wheat kayak
But then not that Zag's age is a problem when you are all immortals
knotty karma
^
mystic kernel
Its really not tho he's not 16 hax
novel wasp
@wheat kayak literally every anime 13 year old boys has 16 layer abs that can cut glass
knotty karma
voiced by thirtysomethings
wheat kayak
Jotaro says hi 
mystic kernel
I think they would have made it more clear if he was given the way this studio is
latent jetty
Jotaro is a teen?
latent jetty
what in gods name
knotty karma
"Oh, Zagreus? You DARE approach ||the God of the Underworld||?"
novel wasp
thats why when he smokes he was censored
wheat kayak
I'm memeing, Zag's age doesn't really matter within the purview of the story
novel wasp
you cant smoke in japan until you are like 20
wheat kayak
Heck he could be 10 mortal years old for all we know
real fossil
YOU THOUGHT IT WAS ||THE END OF THE RUN|| BUT IT WAS ME ||REDACTED||
chrome locust
Ah yes, ||phase 2 [Redacted]||
knotty karma
Yep. Iirc, Polnareff and... I forget his name... they're both teens.
novel wasp
@chrome locust ah yes, ||phase 3 [redacted]||
knotty karma
honestly
zag acting like a teen makes a ton of sense
he's rebellious, he doesn't want to be like his dad, he's rejecting filial duties, he's sarcastic and can be cruel for no reason like teenagers
...but I know a lot of college-age kids and beyond who also do all that.
winter pike
The soundtrack for this area is incredible
cloud apex
Funnily enough it is a spoiler
real fossil
soundtrack for barge of death still slams
cloud apex
the phase
novel wasp
iT iS jUsT a PhAsE, dAd
real fossil
"are you winning son?"
||"no cuz of u n ur realm"||
brisk trail
That's was my lane the first time i died against HIM
real fossil
||EM4 Hades|| is good pain
@wheat kayak ||esp when he summons a doomstone||
winter pike
Ok uh
wheat kayak
novel wasp
||Zag: It's just a phase, dad.
EM4 Hades: Yes indeed, it's just a phase, son, you'll get over it.||
winter pike
Wavemakers kinda dope
real fossil
wavemakers + athena dash is mwah
wheat kayak
Call the ambulance! But not for me
novel wasp
spoiler ||persephone uses the glock to shoot you to death in one of the endings||
cloud apex
||Zag: goes past cerberus||
||Dad, standing ahead of the exit: "are ya winning son?"||
||"Yes, dad"||
||"Time to fix that" :)||
wheat kayak
||honestly though I had Zeus focus Zeus shield I basically melted the doomstone in 5 seconds flat||
winter pike
Wait what happens if I gift someone from Olympus
real fossil
also a keepsake
real fossil
gift gods whose boons u like so far or match u playstyle the most
basically gift everyone at least once cuz they all give keepsakes on the first heart
wheat kayak
Eventually you'd gift all of them anyway really
latent jetty
latent jetty
you dare speak their name
vapid pollen
Ooo did that not work (redacted fail)
latent jetty
yep
winter pike
I died :(((((
real fossil
at who/what
vapid pollen
Yay! Dust off and get back in there
winter pike
At uuuhh
real fossil
(also dw super valid whenever entering new region)
real fossil
ah mood
winter pike
And his ugly teal friend who stones u
real fossil
the gorgon and his/her simp
vapid pollen
Ah giant gorgon head
winter pike
Yea
vapid pollen
Fun times
winter pike
Idk if anyones seen Demon Slayer but Hypnos gives me Zenitsu vibes
real fossil
HAHAHAHAHAHA not wrong
vapid pollen
Definitely
winter pike
What is the house contractor upgrade that says "switch keepsakes between underworld regions"
idk what that means 😳
latent jetty
it means exactly what it means bubba
real fossil
so right there was room between meg's boss room and asphodel
winter pike
T-T
real fossil
with a fountain
winter pike
Yee
vapid pollen
Keepsakes are the trinket things you get from peeps when you gift them first time.
real fossil
theres always one between the boss room and next region
real fossil
youll love the chef once u get into the runs more 🙂
latent jetty
So would people recommend just unlock all the aspects first before focusing on one weapon?
real fossil
hmmm interesting question
honestly it could go either way? like u can find a weapon u like and unlock that one and use it to farm blood but also it's much faster to farm blood i think by finding an aspect u like for each weapon
cloud apex
If you know an aspect that will make the game playable for a while, better yet focus on that first. Just unlocking all nonhidden aspects is like 24 blood at least
latent jetty
ah gotcha
latent jetty
because im just using what ever weapon gives me 20% more each rune
real fossil
thats what i did too
vapid pollen
Me too AV
real fossil
tbh smart mechanic to let u get a feel for each weapon
winter pike
Aight imma give shield it's first run poggers
latent jetty
i think sheild is the only one i dont like yet
cloud apex
That's what i did as well, but my dark thirst is biased on spear and rail so it just keeps switching between the two lol
real fossil
like u wont get high dps at all with shield until some aspects but it's generally a safe playstyle
vapid pollen
I had that too CrabB. But I needed a sword escape for the prophecy so ignored it for that one run
latent jetty
is it really safe?
i found myself dying so much with that damn shield
right now my dark thirst only wants spear and bow >:T
real fossil
for me at least if u take the time to block and then bull rush + spam attacks
wheat kayak
Shield is the only weapon that can block
real fossil
it's pretty okay
winter pike
Hhmmm yea shield kinda. . .. hm
vapid pollen
It’s handy for missiles and poison darts especially
real fossil
yea super safe againstprojectiles
wheat kayak
Also the bloodskull ripple wave.. whatever you call it
||the skulls that dad throws around and explodes after 5 sec||
winter pike
Shield seems clunky but I like how its special ricochets
vapid pollen
My first run I mainly used the melee side of the shield. With a throw sometimes before a dash attack
real fossil
when i use shield i emphasize on blocking a lot
real fossil
even if it rlly adds on to my time but i aint a speedrunner anyway so is all good
winter pike
Ye the shield go boing boing
wheat kayak
Add Dread Flight and it goes up to 6 targets
latent jetty
oh look i dont have money an a diamond appears :')
vapid pollen
I still unlocking boons and hammers for the prophecies so I’ve not even attempted a speed run yet
delicate ember
hey @cloud apex i'm using you as an excuse to get my friend to play hades (he watches your terraria vids)
cloud apex
do it
vapid pollen
I’m trying to get all my friends to buy it too. Not succeeded yet but a few have it on their wishlist
latent jetty
my friends always refuse to buy the games i recommend them, 3months later i see them playing them :')
carmine ravine
thats how ads works
vapid pollen
We got one to get Moonlighter eventually. Children of Morta and Hades still to go
latent jetty
yeah.. ads... hides the rope and gun
fallen pond
We've just started buying games for each other when they hesitate
vapid pollen
Yeah I would gift them but I play on Switch now and I’ve not seen that option 😦
vapid pollen
Same as a PC controller I’d imagine. We have the pro controller
latent jetty
omg LOVE Redacted call came in clutch for me just now
vapid pollen
Feels good so far. I’m far from a pro gamer but I’ve not had any problems
carmine ravine
use his greater call in the final battle
real fossil
max bm
latent jetty
finally got my first bow win because of it
winter pike
I HUST ACCIDENTLY BOUGHT THE WRONG THING KMA
latent jetty
dealing 2.4k damage 
real fossil
whats up eurydice
carmine ravine
my fastest run is with hidden bow iirc
vapid pollen
Feels bad when it his an add
latent jetty
i make sure to kill them first :')
vapid pollen
Yeah 😂
wheat kayak
||Father!
Yes I'm right here!||
delicate ember
How do i get the ||fated list||
carmine ravine
same thing if u use any greater call against them in their own trials, u get insulted
real fossil
also an achievement btw^^
latent jetty
lmao
real fossil
How do i get the ||fated list||
@delicate ember iirc it just appears as a job order after enough runs(?)
someone correct me if im mistaken
carmine ravine
u buy them from contractor yes
winter pike
Was gonna buy a boon and I bought a key on accident thag meant I could no longer afford boon lmao
delicate ember
oh cool in the game's files there is an excel document for each characted with all of their subtitles
carmine ravine
and its not a spoiler dw
delicate ember
wait, you mean the Fated List of Minor Prophecies?
vapid pollen
A key might be more useful in the long run at the beginning
delicate ember
i already have that and ||5 aspects|| and have beat ||hades|| but ||the sword hidden aspect hasnt been revealed||
real fossil
|| the five aspects reveals guan yu but then u need like 5 titan blood in sword aspects before u get hidden sword||
@delicate ember
wheat kayak
5, Bokuto
real fossil
mb five
delicate ember
wait. what weapon is ||guan yu|| for?
robust sundial
spear
delicate ember
oh my god
carmine ravine
oh cool in the game's files there is an excel document for each characted with all of their subtitles
@delicate ember too bad its not a complete list
delicate ember
ok so is it just rng when i will find out about spear aspect?
carmine ravine
has archilles told you about it
real fossil
nah u get that by having 5 blood across all weapons (non zag)
winter pike
latent jetty
rip
willow swallow
So due to putting too much time into the EA i decided to just watch a compilation of the endings, but I think i can still say it might be in my top 10 games list 😄
latent jetty
EA?
willow swallow
Early access
unkempt sleet
There's only one ending tho
latent jetty
ah
unkempt sleet
And you don't really miss out on dialog because of EA runs
willow swallow
All the scenes after beating the final boss werent in EA, hence ending(s)
unkempt sleet
Yeah but you get those even if you have already beaten redacted
It's not like spoilers suddenly shows up in the house
willow swallow
Not the point im making but ok
unkempt sleet
I don't know what scenes you've missed by playing a lot in EA
willow swallow
I didnt miss any scenes
Im saying i overplayed it in early access so just wanted to see the end basically
carmine ravine
i mean its a normal ending and a true ending si suppose
willow swallow
When i say endings originally i just mean in the sense of beating the roguelite and the scenes after doing it.
not the true ending(s)
the endings leading up to the endings 😂
unkempt sleet
The scenes that happen as you beat redacted again and again, ye
vapid pollen
You could always start a fresh save and get to them in game 🙂
carmine ravine
most games requires you to get completion on stuff to get the true ending so i count the epilogue as the true ending
unkempt sleet
Fair
willow swallow
I honestly cant imagine starting this game fresh after the amount of time i have in my save. 😅
latent jetty
the way i see is, atleast if you start over you have something to do :D
unkempt sleet
Imagine having uses for keys again
willow swallow
Maybe if the future i might.
carmine ravine
i need more keys for woodland
unkempt sleet
If you just feel on cooldown and you need some time it's very understandable
willow swallow
Was gonna look on epic to see my time played but i played before that was properly implemented i think cuz i know i got more than 12 hours
fallen pond
Start a new save with hell mode
pure barn
Hard
willow swallow
Based on what i read stupid hard 😂
Though i never die anymore (unless im using fist) so maybe it would be interesting
pure barn
Ye that's always what I do when I get good at a video game
winter pike
|| bone hydras || are cool as hell
brisk trail
Agreed
winter pike
Damn
vapid pollen
It’s a fun fight
winter pike
Didn't think that butterflies of all things would kill me
vapid pollen
They’re the worst
brisk trail
Unless you destroy them, they destroy you
willow swallow
Just dont get killed 4head 
winter pike
Noted
brisk trail
And play with massive doom Benediction
winter pike
Spears range is insane
vapid pollen
And made wider
ebon basin
Choked a em 4 run :")
overtime 2 was a bad idea but it was fun
It took me too long to figure the move set
Ill get it next time
The suprise ||Cerberus|| got me lmaooo
winter pike
I am really digging spear
brisk trail
I didn't though you would have think of my sentence THIS way but xD
brisk trail
Shield before sword for me but that's pratically the same
brisk trail
GG
thorny crescent
And with the bow of all things,my least favourite weapon
brisk trail
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
brisk trail
You said his name
thorny crescent
||look I’m trying really hard here||
real fossil
well i mean ya u can take it as the game
but yeah some ppl could like take it differently i guess(?)
thorny crescent
That’s the name of the game
stable cliff
Hey, just passing by for a feedback, as the game forwards to this Discord when you are trying to make one. I can't see a well defined "put your feedbacks here" though, can someone point me in the right direction?
real fossil
is it like a technical issue/bug or like do u have just comments/praises for Supergiant
stable cliff
Hmm, praise aplenty of course, but right now it's a gameplay annoyance that could be improved.
winter pike
|| OMG SISYPHUS ||
stable cliff
Nothing huge though, but since there is that "feedback" button in the game, I was guessing it was plenty straightforward to do.
winter pike
:D
real fossil
oh tbh i think just here is okay(?) now that i think about it it's weird this server doesnt have an actual feedback thing
stable cliff
Alright then, thanks for the pointer!
In Elysium, when opening a Trove, the automated arrow traps are being started while the black/red UI overlay with Hades taunting you happens, with the Trove being spawn right next the said arrow traps.
Which makes it a very easy peasy arrow in the ass while you can't see anything and the game look like being in a cinematic state.
wheat kayak
I got hit by that maybe once or twice
stable cliff
As I said, nothing huge.
real fossil
hmm valid point
wheat kayak
No big deal really unless you have ||HS|| on then you are screwed, even further with like ||any level of LC and CF||
stable cliff
Yeah, that's why I'm qualifying it "annoyance" more than anything else.
granite ether
the feedback channel was closed a couple of weeks ago now @stable cliff
ebon basin
Alright someone give me some advice
Im using hera bow atm
Im at chaos and i have a plus cast 1 or 38% chance rare or better boon
Its always cast right...?
wise stratus
Both are good @ebon basin If I have a good cast, I'd get +1. Otherwise, I'd get rarity and look for a good cast.
ebon basin
Yea im actually fine lmao i kinda have it perfect rn
Ice wine trippy shot with 2 bonus casts from chaos gate
Rn im gonna tryto force artemis leg
Hope im lucky
ebon basin
Its alright its more reliant on zues
But im actually not a fan of zues
The more of his boons you have the stronger but
My rng sucks and ill get all posiodens
wheat kayak
Well that's why Fated Authority/Persuasion exists
I'm a bigger fan of FA for this reason
One Zeus (sub)chamber not enough, just roll until you get another
ebon basin
I swap between the two
ebon basin
Persuasion inlean towards
wise stratus
I've switched to FP for fates list
wheat kayak
Really, I ran Aphro attack/Demeter spec on rail 4
ebon basin
Makes chaos gates not always ffs
wheat kayak
But Zeus dash and most of his passives
real fossil
the bolts explode the special
wheat kayak
Yeah
real fossil
so makes it easier to proc the boom boom
wheat kayak
Dashes can detonate hellfire
wise stratus
3 enshrouded grasps 😄
wheat kayak
I had High Voltage sitting on like 100%+
And Double Strike nearly 50%
||Dad|| got an extra serving of chilly thunder that day
real fossil
spicy bolts
pure barn
Man whenever I start to have a panic attack I just think "what would bouldy do and then I'm like 🙂 "
austere jacinth
Bouldy is a solid chap who offers great support when you're in need of it.
spare ridge
you trust him and he trusts you, just a good man all around
pure barn
Not gay but I mean bouldy ❤️
delicate ember
wait to get the shield aspect do i have to buy guan yu or just reveal it?
mellow pumice
his shoes are raggedy
not gonna lie i wish skelly had a ||relationship||
i'm gonna have to take ||"willing to die for you"|| as enough
abstract jackal
brisk mulch
hey man, sisyphus gets really bored in his chamber, sometimes you gotta make do... with a boulder
wheat kayak
tight topaz
So my blind buddy who beat Hades is going to be streaming it today at 1:30est for anyone who wants to see that. I linked it in the #self-promotion but I thought I'd put it here too because... y'know, blind guy playing (and maybe beating) Hades.
And I'm going to send the VOD of the stream to Amir so he can show it around the office because, I mean that's pretty damn cool right?
If I were a dev, I'd want to see a blind guy play my game with competence and skill (he has, likewise, been addicted so he's gotten gud.)
austere jacinth
I may not be a dev, but that does sound pretty impressive!
winter pike
That's awesome
tight topaz
Apparently, he moves SUPER slow in Aspho and has the dash button at the ready in case he finds lava. I'll be there too. I want to see him win from the beginning.
wheat kayak
Did you tell him about Arthur negating lava
tight topaz
Oh I did indeed but he hasn't unlocked it yet. He's super hype for that.
I was so stoked when I found that out, lmao.
The big white thing is what blind people use to get around, after all.
brisk trail
Anyone has the original poster that is sold on the website?
Can I have a picture of what it looks like?
wet marsh
how does extra damage % work in this game
is it added extra percent bonus from the base damage or from the total damage
like if i have 100 base damage and 2 +50%'s will it be 200 damage or 225
tight topaz
That's a damn good question, actually.
tiny grove
Uh I believe some are multiplicative and some additive? or so I hear on this discord
real fossil
same question actually been playing for +100 hours and still dont know the answer
tiny grove
Thanks mate
marsh rivet
% Damage is additive unless it is:
- Crit (which is additive with itself, but multiplicative on your base damage)
- "Base" damage (hammers will say "base", e.g. Charged hammers)
All other % sources are additive. Privileged Status, Family Favorites, Boiling Blood, Urge to Kill, Chaos boons, everything.
tiny grove
@wet marsh hope that answers your question
is this info pinned anywhere
regardless i'm just sticky noting this on my pc :P
marsh rivet
It's kind of in the wiki but I think it may be slightly wrong as we've tested stuff lol
tiny grove
Yah
I hear wiki is only partially up to date
which you know
partially nullifies the point of a wiki
marsh rivet
There are exceptions. Rama's Shared Suffering works multiplicatively
sand tiger
Hi, ive done 18 runs of the game so far and got to the boss of elysium and still dont have the codex
Im fairly sure ive talked to achillies every time i can aswell
tiny grove
||Have you taken a duo boon yet?||
sand tiger
yeah one
tiny grove
my gf hadn't completed that requirement and then there's RNG convo after
sand tiger
ok
tiny grove
then the option will open up in house contractor
sand tiger
ok ty
sand tiger
you too even though youve probably beaten the game before
tiny grove
thanks :)
indigo canopy
have you ever wanted to do multiple runs of hades? but then remember elysium 
marsh rivet
Fwiw, I didn't read it extremely closely but the wiki appears way more accurate with regards to damage math now than it used to be. We recently had someone confirm that Dodge works additively, which is very surprising.
flat vapor
We recently had someone confirm that Dodge works additively,
huh, really? cool
inner chasm
real fossil
oh damn so if i get max zag aspect fists (15%), let's say a ~20% lambent plume and epic dodge boon (20%)
thats more than half chance of not getting hit
carmine ravine
u know that mirror gives you 50% right
real fossil
wait what
carmine ravine
the dodge dash
real fossil
oh the ruthless reflex alternative
tbh didnt rlly pay attention to that one cuz i never used it lmao
gusty slate
dodge is additive? Oh my....
brisk trail
But is there a hard cap? Can we really hit 100?
carmine ravine
the highest i get from plume is 22% something so idk
paper light
No, you can't get 100% dodge.
wise burrow
is there a way to tell how many death defiance i have left?
real fossil
above ur health bar should be circles
carmine ravine
the bubbles on top ur health bar
real fossil
yep skelly's will be a skull in a circle
carmine ravine
yes, different logo in the bubbles but same place
cloud apex
without a cap even, apparently
Although I still am in disbelief with that
gusty slate
Need to find epic hermes dodge on call to pair with fist and plume
flat vapor
can you link to the post that confirmed it?
gusty slate
It just doesn't seem... right
cloud apex
🤷
gusty slate
rip
flat vapor
man if only there were people that could, without a doubt, confirm it for us players
gusty slate
can't share trade secrets in cheese
quiet gull
Wiki claims that dodge and damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive, so you can't actually get 100% but also that each different source of the buff has diminishing returns
unkempt sleet
I've looked around and there are conflicting reports everywhere.
Some say that it's additive with a cap.
Some say it's straight multiplicative.
Some say it doesn't stack and it actually rolls all your dodge chances separetely until you dodge or run out of dodge sources.
We need a modder pls.
carmine ravine
smh just dodge the thing urself
unkempt sleet
I will dodge this attack by alt+f4
gusty slate
I'll just assume it's going to hit me and then be pleasantly surprised when it doesn't
gusty slate
Fates decide if you will be hit or not
they roll a dice... it's just a high level DnD game
carmine ravine
except you dont die
cloud apex
Dodge mechanic is actually a fixed 50/50
Either zag dodges or he doesn't 
gusty slate
so increasing is all a placebo
carmine ravine
make it 1/4, the player dodges manually or the encounters end
quiet gull
Killing the enemy increases your dodge chance to 100%
gusty slate
Lava negates dodge however, the rascal has an OP ability nerf pls
(does it actually though :o?)
cloud apex
Don't forget ||Tight Deadline|| dodging a dodge, too
quiet gull
Can you dodge traps? In any case, given lava ticks constantly 10% dodge chance aint gonna do squat
gusty slate
Wonder what modders think of dodge chance
real fossil
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carmine ravine
understandable, BokutoBeamer
flat vapor
that's how dodge chance is calculated, i see
carmine ravine
the language of the gods, truly
flat vapor
acorn is more effective hp
brisk trail
Alright
thorny crescent
Acorn is one of the best imo
Those 3-5 hits it can tank on a boss are super worth it
dusty spade
collar is only 50, wdym
If you use DD then it gives 125 throughout 4 lives
carmine ravine
wow bro why dont just use spear then
dusty spade
if you like the spear more sure then use it
i'm just correcting something you pointed out
bitter valve
Acorn gets significantly worse against ||EM4 Hades||
jovial crypt
Howdy all, interaction question: Does Maimed Influence proc on Side Hustle?
dusty spade
true, especially with MM
latent jetty
question whats the last keepsake?
sharp fossil
maimed influence only effects room rewards iirc
latent jetty
or rather where do i get it?
sharp fossil
it’s yeah it’s a post credits thing
latent jetty
gotcha thanks
jovial crypt
@sharp fossil It procs on pots too, which is why I ask
sharp fossil
hmm idk then
yeah looks like the wording does imply it effects all gold drops
so i’d guess yes?
quiet gull
Uh?
slate jetty
Affluence doesn't affect Side Hustle (and purging wells too, I believe)
rich anchor
question. i'm wondering what the benefits are of getting max affinity from everyone. i see the stamp goes on the charm when one is maxed. is there any tangible benefit? or is it just a thing that indicates how much story you've done
obtuse zephyr
It's just story
quiet gull
Story progress, yeah
rich anchor
i know charon's is special, any others?
quiet gull
The epilogue is gated behind a lot of max bonds
rich anchor
ah ok
quiet gull
Charon's bond.... isnt special though?
quiet gull
All characters have SOMETHING that you have to do to max them
slate jetty
||spoiler tags like this||
rich anchor
||stealing from him||
sharp fossil
that isn’t related to his bond
quiet gull
That's not required for Charon's bond though
rich anchor
... really?
quiet gull
Yes, really
carmine ravine
even dio and aphro favor depends on the bonds with others themselves
rich anchor
is it just 3 starring the charm and wearing it?
quiet gull
No, Charon involves ||buying like 10k worth from his shop||
quiet gull
Nope
rich anchor
i dont see the option to break 8th every run, i've only seen it on times when i wore his charm to his shop
sharp fossil
lol i did all of these by accident
barren ocean
so you know when you see it basically
carmine ravine
its a random thing
barren ocean
Mmm
sharp fossil
had no idea what the requirement actually was
rich anchor
ok, so just coincidence
quiet gull
There are many different kinds of reqs for bonds, Cerberus for example requires|| you to pet him at least 20 times||
rich anchor
thanks friends
quiet gull
You can check the pinned comment in the spoiler discussion for hwo to max out every bond
rich anchor
thanks!
quiet gull
Try not to pull your hair out when going for Poseidon, though. Remember, RNG is not your friend!
patent elbow
how many runs did it take u guys to unlock ||spear 4th aspect||
im on 20 runs, 12 clears and didnt get it yet in a conversation
quiet gull
Quite a bit more than that
I'm at almost seventy runs and still missing the rail hidden aspect for what it's worth, so yeah. RNG
carmine ravine
u know u can farm it by dying in tartarus right
ripe geyser
is there a bug for getting Black metal cus ive been trying for hours and im not getting it. the only req is supposed to be a blade rift skill
barren ocean
Black metal?
carmine ravine
woah theres metal in this game?
sharp fossil
it’s the tier 2 area boon that makes blade rifts bigger
there’s no requirement; just rng i’m afraid
barren ocean
Ohhh
ripe geyser
ive gotten engulfing vortex about 50 times
barren ocean
There is one requirement
carmine ravine
isnt its the cast
sharp fossil
engulfing vortex is better so that’s not the worst lol
ripe geyser
but i want it for prophecy
barren ocean
Black Metal requires one of: Ares' Aid, Blade Dash, Slicing Flare, or Slicing Shot
ripe geyser
litterally the only reason i want it
sharp fossil
yeah obviously one of those
but no other requirements
yeah that’s fair; the prophecies can take a while to get through
barren ocean
Its just rng sadly
ripe geyser
i littterally have gotten every boon in the game except black metal lol
tiny grove
There is also metal in this game
gusty slate
Could run mirror perk to increase chance
quiet gull
i littterally have gotten every boon in the game except black metal lol
@ripe geyser Spend darkness on the boon rerolls
gusty slate
So that mirror perk, more gold rooms perk, and rerolls xD
quiet gull
Much better than room rerolls for this very reason
tiny grove
pretty metal or pretty metal
quiet gull
Por que no los dos?
sharp fossil
^
carmine ravine
what
gusty slate
why not both I believe
tight topaz
My blind buddy is streaming Hades in 5 minutes. He beat the game twice already off-stream.
tepid plover
Self promotion no?
tight topaz
I put the link there but this is kind of a big deal. I'm gonna send the VOD to Amir too.
tepid plover
Ok
indigo canopy
what is the use of the ||hades trinket||?
what is the use of the ||hades trinket||?
old tinsel
Replaces your|| call. Call makes you invisible and increases damage for your first attack out of invisibility||
indigo canopy
ah i see, i was wondering bc i thought that ||when you called youd go invis and maybe drop aggro from enemies|| but i just couldnt find a use for it
old tinsel
you do. ||enemies wont attack you anymore. I think you might become invulnerable as well but I'm not sure. Only lasts for a few seconds tho||
strange junco
Cheese question || I saw a streamer copy his save and reload to get a roll he wanted, how do you do that ||
brisk trail
On the greater call you get invincivibility yes, julius
tepid plover
Isnt invincibility, is unseen, which means you can still attack while being invisible
brisk trail
You can't attack if you're invincible?
quiet gull
Invisible is not invincible
brisk trail
I was confirming them
tepid plover
Invisible and invincible are not the same thing
quiet gull
The regular call will drop invisibility if you attack
tepid plover
Athena makes you invincible
quiet gull
Greater call does not, and lasts longer
brisk trail
You are also invincible, not just-
Ok this is just wording misunderstandifn
brisk trail
But do you take damage from a stray attack? Like let's say an already fired witch projectile
tepid plover
You might get some iframes while you're calling, happens a lot with lot of calls
Ive been hit by asterius while invisible yes
quiet gull
Counter intuitively, the main purpose people use that keepsake is to block off the Call slot to increase chances for specific, non-call boons and duos
coral swallow
Hades on steam sale when ;---;
barren ocean
It was when it came out lol
tepid plover
Probably Halloween
And xmas
Welcome to sale season
Actually probably not Halloween
But most likely xmas
quiet gull
Dude it's 25 friggin dollars
You'll get more than a hundred hours out of it
How much cheaper does it have to be?
high island
You might get some iframes while you're calling, happens a lot with lot of calls
With all Calls.
Activating any Call gives i-frames.
ripe geyser
it happened, i got black metal. i want to thank my mom and this discord for believing in me
covert wren
Random thought: zagreus literally has the power of god and anime on his side
i need to make fanart of this pronto
shy tartan
can i have some help?
im trying to get aegises hidden aspect
ive tried sinking 5 blood into it and talking to chaos, but it did nothing
quiet gull
The blood needs to go into non-Zag aspects
Has Chaos already commented on you wielding the shield?
Because if so, using the shield is no longer necessary and it's up to RNG
sharp knoll
Man, I love this game to bits, LOVE IT, but Switch performance issues can dead 
jovial bramble
Hey crew~ I dunno if I can call this a bug but its definitely 
that it doesn't work -- so Quake Cutter only works when you use special standing still and does not activate when you use special when dashing
The tooltip does not specify that you have to be non-dashing* still, and it would feel so good if its effect was applied on dash-special uses
jovial bramble
Ah, i didn't realize there was an in-game distinction between those
But there is one between dash-attack and attack
tepid plover
Well it is a full game mechanic with fist
Only weapon that can fash special
In fact they have hammers for dash special
Or dash upper as is called
jovial bramble
yea you are right, i see it now
dangggg -- i picked up quake-cutter last night and really wanted it to work on dash hehe
the animations don't look that different (maybe not at all, actually), so I didn't identify a distinction
jovial bramble
hmm but when you dash with Talos, for instance, doesn't it still apply magnetic cutter?
for sure -- you've given me enough to work with to test out on my own before asking again though, thanks for the insight!
tepid plover
Talos is a whole different thing
jovial bramble
the text says "using your special", which is the same text as quake cutter
jovial bramble
true enough!
tepid plover
Im not really an expert in mechanics. Id still head over to #h1-builds-and-combat
And ask there
shy tartan
how do i get achillies locked favor?
gusty slate
I think he's tied to someone else.... ||Patroclus needs nectars too?||
calm orbit
Yep
shy tartan
is ||patroculus the guy in elysium?||
gusty slate
Have you figured out who ??? is?
calm orbit
Yeah, they both need to have hit the lock
gusty slate
Need to check codex for that one, but yeah
shy tartan
||how do i find patroculus?||
dense quarry
Finally got the last thing I needed from Asterius and I only needed to give him a bulljob for it
tepid plover
Had this guy on twitch who said sisyphus, eurydice and pat were guaranteed encounters 
tepid plover
And very lucky
The conversation started when he didnt get pat that run and called it a bug
So he died on purpose because pat was guaranteed so he could get all his dd back, then he was getting mad at the "bug" that pat didn't show up
quiet gull
Jebaited
pearl sparrow
It works like this with Patroclus, at least for me: when I need him he's not there, when I don't need him instead he shows up.
sonic vigil
does anyone know where I can give supergiant games some feedback?
unkempt sleet
Your best bet is right here. We used to have a dedicated feedback channel but it was closed shortly after EA ended
sonic vigil
Ahh okay.
are there mods i can tag? I've never done this sort of thing before
I was just thinking that having a visual notification that there's fishing spot, like on screen, would be nice since some deaf and hard of hearing users might not see the spot and can't hear the noise
And Zagreus doesn't always point them out
fading plaza
Have they said if the cross save patch in October will have all the steam patches in it also for switch when it hits next week or so ?
Like even the current test branch maybe ?
unkempt sleet
I was just thinking that having a visual notification that there's fishing spot, like on screen, would be nice since some deaf and hard of hearing users might not see the spot and can't hear the noise
@sonic vigil we had a mostly blind person pass through here that argued for more accessibility options, so it's possible they might consider more things
ivory cape
when are they gonna fix the pillar with the extra louge entrance
unkempt sleet
@fading plaza I think cross saves will require a sync patch since they will want them to be as compatible as possible
lone ermine
Hey guys, I just got || The pact of punishment, i don't have the game cleared with all weapons. If i do a level 1 heat with a weapon that I haven't cleared with yet, do I have to go back and get the level 0 rewards at at a later play through, or can i earn them at the same time ||
brisk trail
It'll still be at ||zero heat, if you do higher one it'll complete the lower heat levels until it reaches the current max||
lone ermine
Thank you!
errant relic
so, out of curiosity. Is there a decent site to use for tier lists? Im one of those plebs that follows meta's.
granite ether
||0 heat is it's own thing in terms of bounty pool|| @brisk trail
quasi olive
Quick question: I just can't seem to remember the name of ||Theseus' chariot in Extreme Measures 3, and I would like to check whether it is based on existing devices etc... ||. Anyone could help me with that?
granite ether
So yes, ||you do need to go back 0 heat to claim those bounties if you haven't cleared it with a weapon||
brisk trail
Wait what
granite ether
||0 heat and 1 heat are entirely seperate||
brisk trail
Why is it even like that
granite ether
As in ||clearing 1 heat on a weapon you have cleared with at all will get you the 1 heat rewards||
tepid plover
is technically based on ||https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythed_chariot||
but with machine guns
granite ether
Something something ||pact weirdness|| i guess
brisk trail
Strange
shell crescent
Just got a clear with 48% boost from the pierced butterfly and didn't get the achievement
brisk trail
Will hades have updates in the future to add to the game or no?
tepid plover
tba
brisk trail
Rigth now they're bugfixing and balancing. They say they'll be taking a break after that before planning their next move
They usually don't add more past 1.0, judging from their previous work
Buut those were also more one and done stories, not really fit for content updates like the current roguelite
quiet gull
It's really hard to add stuff to a roguelite without just making it longer, which is something they said they dont want to do
And if you're making alternate biomes that's just the same work as making an entire new game which.... they might want to make something else by now? They've certainly earned iy
quasi olive
No, but they could add new weapons, aspects, characters, ennemies, keepsakes etc...
brisk trail
I see
quasi olive
I feel like there would be many, many options.
quiet gull
Given how keepsakes currently work, each one would require an entire whole character, with thousands of voiced lines, etc
midnight wasp
i’m thinking about getting hades is it worth the play
lone ermine
@midnight wasp im 36 hours in and i'm still only touching the surface i feel, 100% worth
alpine fulcrum
every time you die you gotta go ALL the way back to the beginning of the game
totally unfair
austere jacinth
It's awesome.
midnight wasp
sounds kinda painful
shell mulch
It's kind of the charm of most roguelikes
midnight wasp
i never played a dungeon crawler i don’t think
shell mulch
think like binding of isaac or enter the gungeon it's one of those games with a few levels that you gotta do without dying and there is randomized upgrades
heavy breach
God, yeah I hate Hades having to constantly die and stuff 😠 /s
opaque nexus
every time you die you gotta go ALL the way back to the beginning of the game
@alpine fulcrum wtf lol
that is literally the point of the game
or is that sarcasm
probably is
alpine fulcrum
someone came to the hades discord and asked if hades is worth getting
or, well the hades channel
opaque nexus
yes but were you being sarcastic when you said it was unfair?
unkempt sleet
I don't know what you mean, this channel is full of completely unbiased people
buoyant merlin
I've seen a lot of people come in here and ask so many questions about the game. At a certain point theres only so much words can do. You'll have to play it and see for yourself. There are plenty of reviews from both users and critics.
alpine fulcrum
still, it would be nice if there was a boon that gave you a save point
opaque nexus
disagree
alpine fulcrum
i would use it at the beginning so if i dont get good boons i can go back and get better ones
quiet gull
You can quit out at any time and resume from that chamber
Dude, dying in the first chamber is really fast if that's what you want
shell mulch
I just want more gods like Hera, Apollo, Hestia, Hephaestus
buoyant merlin
If you're annoyed by playing the same areas over and over with no savepoints thats fair enough. But the entire game is paced and designed around the progression of getting better in those same areas.
alpine fulcrum
more gods means it would be harder to get a specific one you're hoping for tho
to say nothing of getting that last duo boon
opaque nexus
honestly as much as I want more content, I would only want it if SG actually wanted to do it, rather than trying to please people
quiet gull
I'm of the opinion that "builds" are a bit too easy to force, so it wouldnt be a bad thing to have more randomness, but understand that each god means more work than the last because they have to take into account interactions with all the previous ones
AND record new voice lines for everyone to acknowledge the new gods, etc
It's just not happening bub
alpine fulcrum
if anything if you added more gods, i think the game should select 8 on each run (hermes and chaos dont get cycled out) that you can get on that run
quiet gull
Grab all the energy that would be required for that and fuel it into a new game, that will hopefully be as good or better than this one
opaque nexus
but knowing SG they would probably not do something if they didnt want to do it
buoyant merlin
It's definitely a quality over quantity approach. Would I sacrifice 100 lines of dialogue for a new area or enemy? Definitely. Super Giant doesn't see that way alas, and I understand.
quiet gull
The game already does this @alpine fulcrum , kind of
alpine fulcrum
or it'll be a baseball game
woven cipher
I just picked hazard bomb with eris aspect .
can I get an F in the chat for me please?
buoyant merlin
I'd like Super Giants next game to be a twin stick shooter
brisk trail
@woven cipher Honoring your pseudo, it pleases me
Also, time to train your i frame mastery
alpine fulcrum
isnt this game with the rail and a controller already kinda that
quiet gull
It's not even that much damage, dont worry
Rail plays perfectly fine on controller mang
buoyant merlin
No. Your aim and movement are used with the same control
The opposite of a twin stick
woven cipher
it's 8 damage per hit
of special
:/
I can't afford that man
damnit I'm so stupid
brisk trail
Iframing the explosion works
quiet gull
If you deflect your own hazard bomb, does it deal damage to you anyways?
woven cipher
oh what
so if I dodge the special explosion at the right time, I get the eris bonus without the damage?
I do have divine dash too, dk how that works
brisk trail
You don't deflect it
tame sigil
quick question If i do anger one of the gods in a run they wont show up later?
opaque nexus
they will show up later
limpid plume
they forgive you straight after you clear the encounter
opaque nexus
I wish there was more choice to it, like if you didnt get the boon you didnt pick originally
but whatever ig
quiet gull
There used to be consequences for the scorned god, but they got rid of it cause it wasnt fun
opaque nexus
I guess
knotty karma
Why not make it a Punishment Pact?
woven cipher
@brisk trail thanks for the advice, I managed to win that round
it was only 7 heat but still
wind nest
If they made a dlc for hades I would want a post boss where you could fight an olympians and visit Olympia
indigo canopy
hey guys on the pause screen ||are the pomegranates added to the right side after persephone comes home?||
alpine fulcrum
it occurs to me that there cant be enough blood from bounties to max out all the weapons
woven cipher
there is
indigo canopy
yeah just use trader or styx shop
woven cipher
each clear gives 3.5 blood, without counting fish/charon shop
gusty slate
Prophecy too
woven cipher
that's enough for all weapon aspects
indigo canopy
each clear only gives 2
gusty slate
3.5?
woven cipher
ambrosia + diamond
alpine fulcrum
how the heck do you press the button fast enough to get good fish
indigo canopy
||meg and hades||
gusty slate
Oh, eh I guess
alpine fulcrum
reaction time can only be trained so much
woven cipher
you can convert them to blood
gusty slate
3 fakeout rule, only 3 fake bobs max, the 4th must bea fish
can help with timing a litle
quiet gull
Just practice, flying
woven cipher
also I've gotten into a habit of having enough gold to buy more in charon shop, so that's 0.5/1 per run extra
gusty slate
assuming you don't get it early xD
quiet gull
If you're not fast enough, that's okay, there are other ways to get TB
indigo canopy
3 fakeout rule, only 3 fake bobs, the 4th must bea fish
@gusty slate that’s not how it works it’s random
quiet gull
also I've gotten into a habit of having enough gold to buy more in charon shop, so that's 0.5/1 per run extra
@woven cipher Sadly this only really works at low heat.... unless you're THAT good in which case you go girl
gusty slate
forgot the key word max, edited
alpine fulcrum
do you find that you're more reacting to the flash or the sound it makes
woven cipher
my max heat is 15, I'm guessing that's low here?
gusty slate
I do flash, the sound doesn't really get me
quiet gull
I suggest not looking directly at the bait, focus quite a bit above it
You'll still see the flash
alpine fulcrum
i need skelly to jump in the river and pretend to be a fish so i can practice easier
alpine fulcrum
ive given him so much nectar tho
indigo canopy
has anyone figured out how to get the chibi pngs yet?
gusty slate
if I was good at photoshop
gusty slate
Takes time
gusty slate
You'll get there, you got this 👍
gusty slate
It can range from like within first 10 to 100+
woven cipher
30 sounds about right for me too
gusty slate
Data is all over the place
hearty bramble
oh god, im on like 27 and i havent even finished elysium
woven cipher
but I'm kinda bad
barren ocean
Dont worry about it
long field
It's different for everyone, you'll get their
barren ocean
Take it at your own speed
gusty slate
You go at your own pace friend
barren ocean
And have fun!!
woven cipher
chill it's a fun repeatable game!
long field
Besides, you can blaze through with Easy Mode if you want
long field
Yep
tepid plover
Theres no requirement to beat the game after certain runs
barren ocean
God mode is always an option
hearty bramble
i dont wanna cheat