reminder that less people have killed skelly 15 times than have won a run
#h1-discussion
abstract jackal
wind harness
||i somehow unlocked the aspect of lucifer while not having the gun equipped, did it glitch or is this actually a thing that can happen|| idk if this is a spoiler or not so here
narrow hemlock
not a glitch
abstract drum
Yall don't love Skelly
narrow hemlock
you're not required to have the weapon equipped to get the waking phrase. you are required to have had the character that gives you the phrase previously comment on you using it.
narrow hemlock
iirc its rail, shield and fists that do this
tepid plover
||i somehow unlocked the aspect of lucifer while not having the gun equipped, did it glitch or is this actually a thing that can happen|| idk if this is a spoiler or not so here
You dont need to play the weapons at all to unlock
Just the spear
indigo canopy
ive had to
i only ||recieve the message|| when im actually speaking to the correct person ||with the weapon equipped||
abstract jackal
still waiting for spear after like 30 runs hate it here
brisk garnet
Spear took forever for me too
alpine fulcrum
speaking of the spear, how do you make a good spear build
feel weak with it so far
quiet gull
I just treat it like a weaker, longer range sword and go from there
austere stag
i just use the hades aspect with the daedalus upgrade that increases the spin attack range and then spam it
wind harness
dont spam spin it doesnt increase damage for the spin
ancient canyon
hey so i'm at styx, should i buy a heart or artemis boon from charon?
in general are hearts worth buying with gold?
i've got 200 health
quiet gull
Health is generally worth buying if you need it, yes
brisk garnet
in general, I'd say buy hearts till you're at around 175hp
quiet gull
200 is okay, though by the nature of your question it seems you're pretty new, in which case more HP is always better
brisk garnet
depends how much hp you need to survive rounds
ancient canyon
yeah i've cleared the game once.. trying to get through with chiron bow now
brisk garnet
the better you get, the less you'll need 200hp
yeah 200 is good then, no need for more
Love the Chiron bow. Might be my favourite weapon
ancient canyon
hmm.. so i got the option to replace epic heartbreak strike (aphrodite) with heroic deadly strike (artemis).. should i take it? otherwise i could take artemis aid call
i don't have a call yet
brisk garnet
Artemis call not the greatest for me
quiet gull
For attack? keep Aphro, weak is going to help
Artemis call is fine damage, but only if you max it
brisk garnet
might be too late to max if they're at styx
quiet gull
No, I mean if you press the call button with a max guage
brisk garnet
oh right lol
ancient canyon
last option is hunter's mark.. might help in the satyr caves but i doubt it'll help for hades
brisk garnet
any boons in the temple?
ancient canyon
oh sure, demeter, aphrodite, and i have one fated authority i could use
quiet gull
Oh you havent gone through the temple yet? Might have been a better idea to save up money then
Unless you already bought out everything else
brisk garnet
(you could always quit and restart if you bought it lol)
ancient canyon
i think this is my best run so far tho.. i got deadly flourish, relentless volley, and chain shot.. pretty beastly.. i just can't make mistakes
brisk garnet
Relentless Volley on Chiron is beast
you'll be hitting last boss hard
chain shot as well is great for the rats
tepid plover
Everything at the shop is worth buying as long as you need it
quiet gull
I'd say except anvils, those can kinda screw you over if you're overreliant on specific hammers
brisk garnet
So after 50 hours I've found out about ||Bouldy|| for the first time and spoke with them earlier, giving a potion. Just loaded up my save and realised there's a random boon 🤣
I love this game
Also ||Theseus and Asterius getting a combo move out of nowhere|| surprised the hell outta me
Just when I was starting to find the fights a bit of a chore
ancient canyon
hell yeah!! beat him!
queen wharf
Can you reroll doors into NPC doors, like Sisyphus, etc?
brisk trail
Nope
plucky rampart
Is it worth unlocking hidden aspect lv1 just to get prophecy rewards?
I only play a weapon once I upgrade it to lv5.
alpine fulcrum
aww, mighty decent of thanatos to still give me a heart if its a tie
brisk trail
Sure, most are good on level 1
robust sundial
@plucky rampart how do you play with zagreus aspects then ? 
brisk trail
Dash builds
robust sundial
oh right, or cast builds
eager light
Can you reroll doors into NPC doors, like Sisyphus, etc?
@queen wharf The fact that you can't reroll these also lets you work around the Chaos"Enshrouded" curse a bit. You can't see what the rewards behind doors are, but you can tell if it's going to be an NPC room because you can't reroll
IMO they should probably block rerolls if the "Enshrouded" curse is active
(not quite your question but related)
queen wharf
@eager light Ah, interesting. But the answer is no, then?
tepid plover
So just heard they get the new move after they rebond, which is kinda cool
eager light
I'm actually not sure if you can reroll into them
queen wharf
I see
tepid plover
You cant
dense quarry
Was there a thing for beating the Hades fight with having full health?
tepid plover
The fact that you can't reroll these also lets you work around the Chaos"Enshrouded" curse a bit. You can't see what the rewards behind doors are, but you can tell if it's going to be an NPC room because you can't reroll
It could aso be a store
brisk trail
Pretty sure there's a little highlight about it in the administrative chamber. You know those run datas
dense quarry
Thanks! I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere but didn't remember
ancient canyon
So does it make sense to focus on one weapon like Chiron bow and level up the aspect, or keep spreading it around so I can get more rewards
Seems like I can only beat hades with the bow, so I either need to keep upping the heat, or use different weapons
tepid plover
Was there a thing for beating the Hades fight with having full health?
@dense quarry "Perfect clear"
eager light
@tepid plover Ah yeah, I kind of consider that a "Charon" NPC room
brisk garnet
Man I just struck out twice on the two legendary boons I needed for a prophecy because of Approval Process lol
tepid plover
It might be more than that if you're lucky
ancient canyon
I really just want to finish the story, so that’s what, ten successful runs?
brisk trail
If you wanna be done quick, just focus on one wep, 10 clears yes
Oh and bounties are weapon specific, one time per heat so you're only losing darkness buff. So no need to spread wep leveling
ancient canyon
Ok so it’s better to put all the blood into Chiron aspect and increase heat, rather than mixing up the weapons?
quiet gull
Just do what works for you
brisk trail
You're only losing that additional darkness gain buff if it's not on the bow so it's fine
ancient canyon
What are considered the easy pact conditions? I did convenience fee for 1
quiet gull
TD 1 is pretty free, but I recommend Extreme Measures
brisk trail
Extreme measures, you won't get the meaty stuff before credits
quiet gull
It's a ton of fun
quiet gull
I would not recommend that, actually
ancient canyon
so extreme measures doesn't really make it more difficult?
quiet gull
Hitting something twice before you can do damage seems pretty easy until you actually have to do it
EM does increase the difficulty, but since it's localized to just the bosses, it's much easier than things that affect the entire run
At least, until you work yourself up to EM4
brisk trail
Well I did that's why I reccomend, tho it was prolly on a lvl1 heat
How about jury summons, calisthenics program?
flat vapor
JS and CP interact very badly with TD
JS less so if you have good aoe, but CP still hurts a lot when you're on a strict time limit
deft cedar
my hands hurt 😂
tepid plover
past carbon
Let me know what you think 😅 and Hopefully I'm allowed to post that!
quiet gull
Probably best for the self promotion channel
past carbon
Oh right
austere stag
it better be bouldy btw
zenith crown
Can you get the Satyr sack in tunnel one?
tepid plover
void vigil
nope
zenith crown
Thanks. (I should know that being 150 runs in =] )
opaque nexus
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/769665742035091456/unknown.png nice frame rate
quick ivy
The aim assist in game really, really needs to recognize hell-fire as a target
wind nest
Hi all, I posted this in the modding discord too, but I wrote a little mod that makes every point of heat in the game give +5 percent more darkness in the run. https://www.nexusmods.com/hades/mods/50
It's making the late game darkness collection a lot faster while still feeling fair, because you have to turn on heat to get it going
rain kindle
Hey everybody so I've been binging this game quite a bit over the last few days and I'm having a blast, but before I actually get into discussing the aspects of the game I really dig, I'd like to ask you all a question.
All biases included, which of the characters do you think would listen to the worst music?
opaque nexus
@wind nest do you know how to write websites
wind nest
@opaque nexus a little bit yeah why?
opaque nexus
Could you write a ||random heat generator, you put in a heat amount and the website chooses random pacts that reach that heat||
wind nest
Yeah that’s a pretty good idea!
opaque nexus
I saw haelian do that on stream but he had to do it in a more annoying way
wind nest
What did he do?
opaque nexus
He had to use like a random name generator and stuff, was a bit weird
Just being able to click a button would be nice
alpine fulcrum
strong drink doesnt work iwth the cure poison basins does it
wind nest
Got it. Seems like a great idea! I could code that up pretty quick.
opaque nexus
Yeah it doesn’t need to look pretty either
celest trail
@rain kindle zeus would only listen to classic rock without ever branching out or accepting younger gods have moved on from it, dio would have mostly good party playlists but also include a few meme songs he unironically enjoys
opaque nexus
Boomer Zeus
tepid plover
Could you write a ||random heat generator, you put in a heat amount and the website chooses random pacts that reach that heat||
If you scroll on the subreddit i saw at least 2 threads with websites
brisk trail
meg pretends to be a hardass but listens to carly rae jepsen when nobody's around
celest trail
we aren’t asking who listens to the best music mik
opaque nexus
Like so metal you can’t even hear what the singer is saying
And it’s just like primal screams
celest trail
yeah that was my instinct for ares too 😂
brisk trail
hey I agree her last two albums were brilliant, but meg doesn't want you to know
opaque nexus
Poseidon obviously listens to surfer music
brisk trail
hermes listens to james brown
opaque nexus
But that stuff is good so
Hermes listens to through the fire and the flames
At 2x speed
And also rap god
austere jacinth
Ares probably listens to Opera too. Lots of violence and grandure in that.
opaque nexus
True
long field
Thanatos probably listens to Bloodborne OST
celest trail
love that for him
chilly nexus
Ares just listens to the doom ost
austere jacinth
Oh, Than xD
opaque nexus
Ares just listens to the doom ost
That is very true
celest trail
i’d put hermes on really uptempo house
brisk trail
artemis listens to bon iver and drinks craft beer
long field
Ares be like: Rip n Tear, Amirite Bruders? XD"
chilly nexus
Even he has nothing on the slayer
long field
The Slayer is just insane
He must REALLY miss Daisy
Though the Slayer can be soft when he wants
chilly nexus
I feel like Aphrodite listens to Britney Spears or Lady Gaga
opaque nexus
For dusa I’m torn between those beats to relax and study to things on YT and just top 40 pop music
long field
I need the end of Ancient Gods Pt 2 just having the Slayer finally settle down now that everything is finally over
chilly nexus
Nahh she listens to tik tok music lets be honest
austere jacinth
Hermes is tricky. Hes got a diverse portfolio, and his closest associate is the most chill dude ever.
opaque nexus
In other words top 40 pop music
long field
You think Charon would like "Spirit of Hospitality" From Celeste?
opaque nexus
Theseus is Kanye, no questions asked
brisk trail
charon listens to mumble rap
chilly nexus
Oof lady Gaga even has a song named Venus and references Eros so many times
It’s perfect
long field
What was Eros the god of again?
opaque nexus
Kanye has that Theseus ego
austere jacinth
Lust.
long field
Thought so
tepid plover
Zagreus listens to the game ost
opaque nexus
Because Darren made the music and voices zag
long field
Yep
chilly nexus
ok but on the coast hits different when you first hear it
chilly nexus
Cried gang
long field
Still gets me emotional going there
austere jacinth
T.T
opaque nexus
The OST has no right to slap this hard but it does
long field
Supergiant are so good with Storytelling
chilly nexus
don’t get me started on the emotional crisis I had during in the blood
opaque nexus
Might wanna spoil that one
chilly nexus
Ah sorry, my mistake
long field
I never got to the "Ending" Ending
I am not going to spoil it, not even gonna listen to the music
I am SAVING it
chilly nexus
As you should
austere jacinth
So worth it.
opaque nexus
Reminder that you can’t get duo boons at all in the trial rooms with 2 boons
You can get legendaries though
long field
Gonna finish DOOM Eternal on Nightmare then play the DLC, because the DLC looks like a Banger, heard it was a Banger, need to get it
Also, that makes sense
tepid plover
Man I love Darren korb
brisk trail
tbh my only complaint is sometimes the vocals duck the music a little bit too hard
im sitting there like ||please shut up persephone I'm trying to listen to the music||
long field
I am used to that
opaque nexus
True
tepid plover
You gotta find out by yourself
long field
And Dark Souls/Bloodborne players
austere jacinth
I like discovering stuff.
high island
It's in the patch notes.
high island
The patch notes from January or somewhere around then tell you that trials can no longer offer Duo Boons. 
austere jacinth
I felt that Hades was pretty good about telling me which items did what though.
long field
^
quiet gull
Yeah, I dont know of any actual hidden mechanics, except that Chamber symbols are not immediately explained but ARE immediately apparent
long field
Also, I had no idea you can catch fish out of the Essence of Creation itself until the Patch Notes
opaque nexus
what are your guys' favorite casts
austere jacinth
Demeter.
tepid plover
My own
opaque nexus
ah the crystal meme
I have to say poseidon
not only does it have big aoe and does good damage, it has 2 duo boons that completely change it
it gets even stronger with sea storm
austere jacinth
Dio's is great too, yeah.
opaque nexus
curse of drowning is fun
quiet gull
True Shot is powerful enough without the need for Duos tho
tranquil palm
Is the bug causing Good Riddance not showing up at house contractor fixed in the latest update? I'm on switch so I can't tell
rain kindle
Ares straight up listens to Mick Gordon for sure.
obtuse zephyr
Achilles should be a hidden boss but you have to fight him blind, no boons. That would be dope.
long field
Why would you want to fight Best War Boy?
obtuse zephyr
What is he switched weapons throughout the fight, all but the gun, and he used his own aspect on the spear
It would be like ||Charon and stop at a certain point||
austere jacinth
I don't want to fight Achilles. I want to make him happy forever.
long field
^^^^^^^^
rain kindle
Yeah, if I had the ability to just have convos with Achilles forever I'd be down.
Sisyphus is cool too. completely harmonious.
gusty slate
I would like Achilles/Patty for variant boss 3
gleaming sparrow
Crush shot is amazing with Hera Bow
Just an absolute ****ton of damage. I one had a cast boost and 6 casts
Each time I loaded it it did a freeze blast
austere jacinth
I want Sis to apologise to my boyfriend, but Achilles is love.
true olive
That'd be great pokeuser. Sometimes I get so tired of Theseus. Even killing him doesn't help. 😭
austere jacinth
I love him. He makes me laugh.
true olive
Me out here like "I just want to punch this guy. ... No, not beat him in the game. Me, personally, I wish to punch him." 😭 😂
I like Asterius tho.
gusty slate
My DD sink
austere jacinth
I don't wanna hurt Achilles or Pat. I still feel bad enough ||shoplifting from Charon.|| Punching Theseus is fine though.
brisk trail
There's no line for ||bringing a Yarn to Redacted||, that makes me sad
austere jacinth
Well he and Ariadne aren't directly connected.
brisk trail
Yeah but just for the giggles of how useless that is
ashen sphinx
Is there a list of the Accolades we can get at the end of a run? I'd love to have a Fated Prophecy for these if we could.
gusty slate
"Pft boy, you think some string will change anything?"
alpine fulcrum
i assume there's no way to ensure that you get to the npc rooms on a given run?
plucky rampart
no
alpine fulcrum
meeting patroclus is kind of a massive thing to be left up to a roll of the dice, if you've lost some DD up to that point
brisk trail
Charon mini shop is also smth to chase if you wanna resplenish dd
plucky rampart
Yes but I haven't replenished more than one DD with Pat for a long, long time.
It's not as OP as you think.
indigo canopy
fated persuasion is useful for it
plucky rampart
And it's something that gets worse as you get better at the game.
brisk trail
Same, and there's many times where he can't even do a thing for me, I have all my DD, I don't need heal and I'm not doing an attack build, he's completely useless
quiet gull
I've been consistently skipping Pat for a while now, which sucks cause I want to progress his quest
brisk trail
I started skipping him only when his quest was complete though
shy tartan
quick question
quiet gull
Maybe it's worth it to just get a single DD back, I dunno
indigo canopy
Same, and there's many times where he can't even do a thing for me, I have all my DD, I don't need heal and I'm not doing an attack build, he's completely useless
@brisk trail how does one not do an attack build?
shy tartan
i maxed out my bond with cerebus, but what does it do?
plucky rampart
If you lost any DD, then it's worth getting it back.
quiet gull
@indigo canopy By... doing a special or cast build?
brisk trail
Special/cast/dash build ?
weary urchin
sometimes i go to patty and take the attack buff with dds missing
indigo canopy
i maxed out my bond with cerebus, but what does it do?
@shy tartan nothing unless they bring in a ||companion|| for him in a future update
quiet gull
I think it does, but havent checked
weary urchin
just depends how you feel about the weapon
indigo canopy
||meg, skelly, sisy, than, dusa|| who else?
brisk trail
||Achilles,Dusa,Meg,Than,Sysy,Skelly||
indigo canopy
ah achilles
indigo canopy
use || for spoilers
quiet gull
If you're on desktop, you can just highlight text for options
shy tartan
like |owo| this?
brisk trail
Or highlight text before posting, there's a toolbar
remote forge
@shy tartan use two on each side
shy tartan
||lemme try again||
remote forge
|| spoiler text ||
shy tartan
thanks
brisk trail
Delete/edit your ||achilles|| comment for good measure
indigo canopy
||***bruh***||
shy tartan
try ctrl / followed by hh > nk
indigo canopy
what
brisk trail
Turns out he was a bot in disguise
indigo canopy
?hh>nk
shy tartan
go into the ctrl backslashmenu and type in those buttons
indigo canopy
ctrl and / is ?
indigo canopy
that just makes a question mark
quiet gull
He might not have a US keyboard layout
indigo canopy
ahh i got it nvm i was hitting thwe wrong key
indigo canopy
yeah i just brings me to a channel search menu
shy tartan
but ya gotta click h h (right arrow) n k while in the menu
tepid plover
Whats going on in here
shy tartan
trying to show a discord easter egg
tepid plover
Oh
indigo canopy
up down left right b
pallid sable
hiya weird question
so i seem to remember during early access people were talking about pressing the dash(?) button at the beginning of a run to get Zagreus to do a cool flip or something interesting like that
is that still in the game or?
brisk trail
No, they got rid of it
I randomly ask why here, in case someone that knows see it
Because that was the only way to reroll a hammer, if you got it for your first room
Which was nice
pallid sable
oh what, is that what it did? rerolls the item?
brisk trail
Why though? You can already indirectly reroll hammer with give up and toying with your run
pallid sable
^^ yeah, that doesn't make sense to me
brisk trail
After 120+ runs, finally got Spread Fire hammer upgrade for rail. I was like "thank, fck!"
I really don't get why we can't reroll hammer, while we can reroll everything else
shy tartan
hammer is OP
gusty slate
rerolling hammer 2 op or something along those lines
gusty slate
it'd give us too much control over a roguelite
pallid sable
so what did it do, exactly? was there some kind of special animation
or was it just for rerolling
brisk trail
We already have way too much control already imo
indigo canopy
i wish there was a keepsake that forced a hammer to be in first room, like the other boons that force their boon or the egg which makes a chaos gate spawn in first room
brisk trail
There was an animation and it gave like 2 darkness I think ?
mellow plume
i’ve heard there’s a way to like copy a save or something, so one could practice a boss? can anyone explain how that works?
tepid plover
Giving up doesn't reroll hammer does it
pallid sable
Sucks they removed it then. I remember trying to do it when I heard about it
tepid plover
Pretty sure you get the same choicds
pallid sable
but I gave up because my frames were too bad to actually get timing right
brisk trail
Giving up in itself no, but if your hammer is not in first room, there's a strong chance your run's gonna change
If it's in first room, you can only change aspects (if they have specific hammer upgrade or lock out some) or weapons
tulip ocean
I had hammer first room, quit to change to pierced butterfly, and hammer showed up again first room but hard different choices
gusty slate
giving up gives almost the exact same run
flint anvil
Just unlocked all the achievements!
indigo canopy
not the same run
gusty slate
can do some seed manipulation
tepid plover
The first boon tends to be the exact same one
gusty slate
Hm could've sworn that's how people seed a run
tepid plover
Exactly
Theres so much freedom people forget is a roguelike
Is meant to be random
brisk trail
This is where it seems weird in the logic though, we have freedom everywhere else, but just not there
indigo canopy
do you get anything for maxing out charons affinity gauge
quiet gull
Yeah, a nice lil face next to his keepsake
indigo canopy
shows the locked heart now so will i get anything for giving him some ambrosia?
flat vapor
a nice friend
tepid plover
Technically you do have some freedom there, just use fated persuasion
indigo canopy
ah i see
quiet gull
And a warm fuzzy feeling inside
gusty slate
hrrrrrrnnnn
flat vapor
a lifelong bond
indigo canopy
charon is the only person ive given more than 3 nectar, i love him
cerb is the only one ive given more than 2
wait no i have 4 hearts with achilles
lad
shy tartan
how do i get the final keepsake by the way?
gusty slate
Gotta keep playing it seems
indigo canopy
yeah youll just have to win the game a couple times
shy tartan
just keep winning runs?
indigo canopy
yup
indigo canopy
its much easier after the first time
tepid plover
You play the game
indigo canopy
i won on my 31 attempt and then got a 19 win streak
alpine fulcrum
i probably would have won more than once if i werent determined to win with the spear
shy tartan
im an aegis main
indigo canopy
im an aegis main
@shy tartan get out of my sight
its the weapon i like the least after rail
shy tartan
aegis is awesome!
alpine fulcrum
i havent figured out how to not get murdered when relying on melee in general
i only do well when i play cheesy
indigo canopy
i mainly dislike rail bc its a mf GUN and also the reload mechanic
shy tartan
you get to block, charge attack, ranged attack, and melee attack
alpine fulcrum
like abusing lightning rod
shy tartan
rail sucks
tepid plover
I feel bad, cause most of the general tips for new players, always rundown to "git gud"
alpine fulcrum
guns are cool
indigo canopy
lol why use ranged when you can just cause absolute mad numbers w ||arthur||
quiet gull
i havent figured out how to not get murdered when relying on melee in general
@alpine fulcrum Dash attack more, pay more attention where enemies are facing and dash into their backside
indigo canopy
I feel bad, cause most of the general tips for new players, always rundown to "git gud"
@tepid plover this game is literally about beting one bit, bc it gets so much easier once u beat a part once
tepid plover
I know
quiet gull
Also, God Mode is right there if you need it
tepid plover
But is getting to that part thats hard
indigo canopy
god mode sus to me
alpine fulcrum
my first win i got lightning rod and speed upgrades and just ran around while lightning rod beat the game
indigo canopy
i feel like playing hades just to experience the storyline would drive u crazy bc of how much waiting u have to do
alpine fulcrum
whats driving me crazy is i cant seem to get the codex index to show up
quiet gull
Some people in this very chat cant even beat the game with God Mode at over 60% tho >_>
alpine fulcrum
at the contractor
quiet gull
(poor liminal)
indigo canopy
thagreus
alpine fulcrum
i have a habit of like, when i feel like a run isnt going well, i start spending more money on darkness/gems and such
indigo canopy
well im guessing, zagathos doesnt sound as good
flat vapor
i've heard thanzag
indigo canopy
thats awful
flat vapor
which is... boring, but it works
indigo canopy
wheres the creativity people
thagreus sounds wayu better
Some people in this very chat cant even beat the game with God Mode at over 60% tho >_>
@quiet gull game reporters
flat vapor
unique ship names >>>> names smashed together
indigo canopy
tepid plover
Thagreus sounds amazing
quiet gull
i have a habit of like, when i feel like a run isnt going well, i start spending more money on darkness/gems and such
@alpine fulcrum Nothing wrong with that, Darkness is quite vital to getting stronger via the Mirror
indigo canopy
Thagreus sounds amazing
@tepid plover my rule for a good ship name is if u can make the two names sound like a real name together it works
alpine fulcrum
only purple talent i have left to level is fated authority
pretty sure the green talents are the bad ones
gusty slate
sad mirror noises
brisk trail
Green talents are alternates, and some combinations are stronger than others.
indigo canopy
pretty sure the green talents are the bad ones
@alpine fulcrum nah i use half and half
pastel nacelle
where do I put a hades meme I found
indigo canopy
link
alpine fulcrum
actually fated persuasion sounds better than fated authority
pastel nacelle
alpine fulcrum
unless i have a very specific idea of a build im trying to do and want to try to cycle out one god for another
tepid plover
There are no bad talents, they all are good for their purpose
carmine ravine
lol why use ranged when you can just cause absolute mad numbers w ||arthur||
@indigo canopy until u realize u can do better with triple hazard bombs
indigo canopy
unless i have a very specific idea of a build im trying to do and want to try to cycle out one god for another
@alpine fulcrum i use 6 purple buffs and 6 green
@indigo canopy until u realize u can do better with triple hazard bombs
@carmine ravine is that the rail hammer for threee bombs?
alpine fulcrum
what is the purpose of stubborn defiance
carmine ravine
yes and hazard bombs is massive dmg and area increase
indigo canopy
its good for high heat
gusty slate
If you're getting beat up in the middle rooms a lot, but can do bosses fine
alpine fulcrum
actually i thought of that right after i asked it lol
tepid plover
Id you're dying a lot in normal encounter stubborn defiance is your bf
indigo canopy
yeah, if you undestand boss techniques but cant understand the randomness of normal encounters
gusty slate
or you just can't heal in general shudders
alpine fulcrum
how does heat work anyway, i havent used it yet because i suck and cant even beat the game normally.. if you beat the game iwth a weapon with 1 heat, will you be able to fill up the bar next time with 2 heat?
carmine ravine
u can increase stuborn defiance limit with chaos legend boon at least
gusty slate
Doing a higher heat will only complete the next lowest uncompleted. So doing heat 5 will complete heat 1, doing heat 5 again will complete heat 2 and so forth
indigo canopy
how does heat work anyway, i havent used it yet because i suck and cant even beat the game normally.. if you beat the game iwth a weapon with 1 heat, will you be able to fill up the bar next time with 2 heat?
@alpine fulcrum since you get better and better, to stop the game getting boring, u can choose conditions to make it more interesting
indigo canopy
and a lottttttt harder along with it
alpine fulcrum
im talking about the amount required to fill up the bar
i dont think im getting better lol
carmine ravine
the bar is the amount of skulls u see beside the conditions
alpine fulcrum
like im learning about what boons are good thats about it
indigo canopy
you go up 1 heat at a time til you get to 20 i believe, i still havent gone to 20 heat yet, then i think u can increase as u please
gusty slate
I mean you can always increase as you please
alpine fulcrum
ok thats what i was asking, thanks
carmine ravine
but theres literally no point in exceeding heat gauge
alpine fulcrum
just in terms of getting all the bounties
indigo canopy
I mean you can always increase as you please
@gusty slate for me its says the heat gauge has too many conditions
quiet gull
but theres literally no point in exceeding heat gauge
@carmine ravine Meh, too lazy to turn it up and down all the time
alpine fulcrum
there's also no point in playing hell mode
quiet gull
Plus EM is too fun to ever turn off
alpine fulcrum
but its there if u want it
gusty slate
oh did 1.0 introduce gating? I didn't think so
indigo canopy
Plus EM is too fun to ever turn off
@quiet gull ||em 4||
alpine fulcrum
wait can you...combine god mode and helll mode
carmine ravine
i dont need high heat to farm darkness and gem
rain osprey
when it says there are "too many conditions" that just means "you can turn it down and still get the rewards, just fyi"
carmine ravine
@indigo canopy spoilers
quiet gull
@quiet gull em 4
@indigo canopy Yeah but that guitar tho
rain osprey
you can still go with heat 30 even if your bounty is a heat 2
indigo canopy
@indigo canopy Yeah but that guitar tho
@quiet gull truuuuu
what are the easiest conditions to get to 8 heat just for the ||useless trinket||
want me my ||sexy skelly statue||
carmine ravine
EM 2, tight deadline, FO
gusty slate
FO is a bit iffy, it's a whole new game
carmine ravine
nah
indigo canopy
i heard about UC being handy
tepid plover
Fo makes the game harder believe or not
Especially if youre struggling without heat
gusty slate
Comes down to your personal preferences too
rain osprey
middle management makes the barge into a nightmare
shield crystal with ten thousand points of armor grinning at you while you get exploded to bits by invincible slam dancers
carmine ravine
shield crystal is the most forgiving amongst middle managements
alpine fulcrum
does raging rush on the achilles spear aspect benefit from special boons
maybe if i actually make use of the bonus damage you get after rushing ill do better
oh good. i take the poseidon keepsake and my first boon choices are...huge catch and thats it
gusty slate
That's scripted
pallid sable
did they take down the “making of” videos on their YouTube channel?
carmine ravine
wdym
pallid sable
I remember there being videos of behind the scenes stuff for Hades
pallid sable
I’m writing a paper on the game, was going to use those as reference material
but it’s just gone now?
carmine ravine
did u mean the noclip documentary/
fading edge
the noclip documentaries are on the noclip channel if thats what you're thinking of
pallid sable
maybe that’s what it was?
carmine ravine
ye its noclip iirc not sgg
gusty slate
There's also some stuff over in #announcements
pallid sable
oh yeah I’m just dumb
fading edge
there's one on modeling and rigging on the youtube channel and a few bts videos on twitter too
pallid sable
thanks, yeah it was the no clip ones
don’t know why I was under the impression it was on the sgg channel
arctic onyx
Could someone help me understand why people consider merciful end so good? Adding doom on deflection just seems kind of meh to me
gusty slate
The deflect makes doom explode instantly
instead of having to wait
So you can build up amazing dps by constantly stacking and using something like athena dash
arctic onyx
but you have to keep deflecting, it just seems defensive to me
gusty slate
nonon, you can just use the deflecting move
Don't think you have to actually deflect any attacks
arctic onyx
ahh for real? that's much better than i thought lmao
celest trail
how on earth do u win with stubborn defiance
i feel like i don't lose a DD til the last boss. then i lose ALL my DD 
gusty slate
Just gotta really know how to dodge I guess
celest trail
welp rip me
gusty slate
or do so much damage dodge doesn't matter xD
narrow hemlock
stubborn is like.. something you dont really utilize a whole lot unless you're running lasting consequence. or if you're good and confident at the game, which i am not :D
tepid plover
i feel like i don't lose a DD til the last boss. then i lose ALL my DD
Thats why you switch to dd
They are for different people, are you dying in every encounter? Sd, are you not? Dd
celest trail
i just want to do it once to check off the prophecy
tepid plover
Just lower your heat
celest trail
yeah i guess that’s what i’ll have to do
indigo canopy
sd for everything until u get to ||hades|| for the first time basically
then dd from then on
maybe sd for high heat
celest trail
i struggle with all the green abilities tbh cause it was about 15h till i realized they were there
tepid plover
Lower your heat put on acorn, should be ez pz
celest trail
and by then i was so used to the purple abilities 
indigo canopy
i feel like spear is trying to be acorn and failing
IM SO STUCK ON HADES
@brisk trail spoiler
gusty slate
Game is pretty good, getting addicted is a common side effect
tepid plover
Lol spear and acorn have different purposes
indigo canopy
does the tooth work with SD or no?
@celest trail it does
i never find spear useful
indigo canopy
where? i could think maybe poison but then u cant use it for ||hades bc he does burst rather than sustained dmg||
tepid plover
No, in the actual boss
gusty slate
I've used acorn like once, spear is what I use a ton
indigo canopy
i havent tried out ||em4|| yet
tepid plover
Welp
Is extremely good in the tunels and the actual fightt
I'm not saying is better than acorn, they just fill diferent holes
You use the one you need
carmine ravine
i cheesed ||em4|| with eris
indigo canopy
what sustained dmg is there besides beams in ||hades fight||?
gusty slate
Getting hit for some big damage at the same time is fun
indigo canopy
urns do 1 chunk of 30
tepid plover
And then stun you, so big papa can combo you for 120
gusty slate
I mean it's my fault for getting hit by 2-3 different things at the same time, but that's why I spear xD
indigo canopy
idk maybe im just very dash heavy bc i dont find spear ever coming in handy for my playstyle
tepid plover
Yep
Each for everyone
Not to mention the laser tend to go thru the pillars a lot so
indigo canopy
yeah i hate how the pillars arent reall solid or something
tepid plover
I do lol
Idk how many times that have killed me
Especially since you cant get inside him anymore
So hiding is the only choice
indigo canopy
ive used too many dd on the dumb pillars doing nothing
then u just gotta hope u can dash thjrough everything
gusty slate
all my dds are just me being dumb in redacted, pillars have never failed me.... somehow
tepid plover
Most of my dds are the lasers going thru the pillars
gusty slate
Interesting
tepid plover
Such a common issue for me
gusty slate
Is it bugged?
gusty slate
Well hopefully that gets fixed soon
Redacted must've wised up to my wall hacking abilities
Ricochet bow/spear/rail(?)
celest trail
tbh i have way more trouble gauging the pillars in the theseus fight
gusty slate
I get every so slightly annoyed when I'm a pixel off lol
celest trail
chaos shield is really nice for some pillar ricochet action too
lunar cypress
Is there any real uh, rhyme or reason to how boons are organized in your list when you've gotten them?
gusty slate
Like the ones picked or the giant list of boons?
lunar cypress
Ones picked
gusty slate
I always thought it was based on most used/ rarity... might just be random
lunar cypress
Its a nitpick to be sure but I wish I could kinda sort or see which ones are all from the same god, or affect the same skills or something
gusty slate
Yeah don't think we can do that other than checking pre-reqs in codex
lunar cypress
Oh no I mean from ones picked, just have them grouped in a way easier to inspect I meant
brisk trail
I just completed hades main story! (Not the after part though)
alpine fulcrum
does reduced damage boons from different gods stack
mellow pumice
yes
alpine fulcrum
i get get 10% less damage from everything, or 15% less damage from things i dash into
quiet gull
Damage reduction stacks multiplicatively, so you can't actually get 100% damage reduction. same with dodge chance
Damage reduction is usually quite small, though. Not terribly useful. But you can get a couple of 20% dodge chance effects and those can really go a long way
alpine fulcrum
well my other option is the aphrodite cast so..
quiet gull
Aphro cast is quite good, it deals a ton of damage. Sadly no support boons... but it's definitely usable
sharp fossil
aphro cast does have a support boon; whichever the one is that gives it extra range
quiet gull
Yeah... and it's not terribly good. Most other casts have support boons that actually, y'know, deal more damage
(save artemis but that one already is good enough)
sharp fossil
yeah it does seem a little weird that crush shot doesn’t have any duos, now you mention it
quiet gull
Aphro already has big damage attack and special, it's not a huge deal
sharp fossil
every other cast you can base your whole build around by shooting for the right duo (or just stacking it, in the case of arty)
aphro’s ends up being more a supplementary thing, outside of a couple of specific weapons
quiet gull
Weak is a powerful effect, too. And not ALL casts should be equally viable as build-arounds
And even then, it's still quite okay with shield and bow cast-aspects
sharp fossil
yeah it’s fine, just something i never really thought about before
gusty slate
is crush shot the highest base damage one too?
gusty slate
Getting hit with a barrel of wine hurts more than heartbreak I suppose
sharp fossil
apparently lol
urban drum
do fury sisters only have one wing? or is it two to the same side?
hardy escarp
Bro ||Aspect of lucifer|| is absolutely my new favorite gun aspect
quiet gull
Only one I haven't unlocked yet ;__;
heady condor
So, brand new here, and I wanted to ask - do we ever talk about how good it would be to have a display which gives your build's stats on demand?
hardy escarp
Hey by the way, for olympian gods do you have to get all their normal boons (Not ||Duos||) in order to ||Unlock their hearts?||
quiet gull
Game isn't complex enough to actually require that, but yes, it would be nice
gusty slate
Gods need a favour/rng dialogue
heady condor
I feel like I want it so bad when deciding between boons and stuff
hardy escarp
so the boons dont matter
gusty slate
It would be nice to see a stat card
quiet gull
Hey by the way, for olympian gods do you have to get all their normal boons (Not ||Duos||) in order to ||Unlock their hearts?||
@hardy escarp No, they each have a specific "quest". Check the pinned post in the spoiler channel
gusty slate
Welcome to the underworld!
silver dagger
i love it thank you guys for making it
gusty slate
SGG 
queen wharf
Is there a trick to unlocking the hearts on ||Hypnos?|| Or just have to wait for the conversations. Would throwing away runs help?
gusty slate
Just gotta keep going... it's conversations yeah
queen wharf
Don't have to meet up with any other characters?
gusty slate
Maybe ||Thanatos||
queen wharf
Maybe
carmine ravine
u also need to buy stuff in great hall iirc
gusty slate
Oh that might help too
queen wharf
Is that right?
silver dagger
yo since i first got hades ive been playing it non stop i just got the ||fists||
queen wharf
@gusty slate Are you here literally all the time? Lol
carmine ravine
weapons isnt spoilers, the hidden ones is
alpine fulcrum
that's not what they mean by hidden
gusty slate
Well they'll find out
alpine fulcrum
Artemis on spear attack is not as good as I was thinking it would be
gusty slate
Maybe on 4th aspect
gusty slate
You got there, you can show 'em who is the better man
carmine ravine
thats a spoiler @pearl sparrow
pearl sparrow
Very sorry
strange junco
Why does god's pride seem better than legacy
I'll go so dry on trying to get a duo boon sometimes
tepid plover
i feel like i get enough duos and legendary
making legacy pretty bad
thats just my luck i guess
gusty slate
I like the epic chance because Ican't rely on duos and legendary sometimes
Sure I'm trying to get them, but my luck won't let me sometimes, so epic 'normal' boons is nice to fall back on
carmine ravine
u can get both with exclusive excess just saying
tepid plover
lmfao
gusty slate
sadness when exclusive access pops up on last boon for Styx
woven cipher
I just tried chaos aspect for shield, why do people like it so much? Out of the 5 shields that come up, maybe only 2 hits enemies
Doesn't seem like they are seeking enemies in any way
gusty slate
but shotgun shield!
I think it used to have much stronger tracking
changed after 1.0
south lava
You can hit an enemy with all 5 of the thrown shields as well.
At least, it feels like you can.
tepid plover
yep
woven cipher
Damn maybe I shouldn't have taken Zeus special then, I know the bolt has an internal cooldown
tepid plover
like a normal shotgun
carmine ravine
i mean rail actually have a shotgun
tepid plover
yes
woven cipher
I tried that, it feels so much weaker than the bonus damage one
Can't remember if it's Eris or Hestia
carmine ravine
wdym, the shotgun is from a hammer
tepid plover
^
tepid plover
hestia aspect isnt a shotgun
in fact the shot has a very long range
more like a sniper lol
flat vapor
hestia is the sniper equivalent
woven cipher
Reload - hit - reload feels like a shotgun from my FPS days...
But I guess sniper is closer to it
reef wind
I’m at the point where I’m convinced ||Thanatos|| doesn’t actually exist and this is an elaborate ruse. I’m on run 30 and he still hasn’t spawned. ||I’ve fought all three furies and I’ve been to Elysium at least 15-20 times,|| but I haven’t beaten the game. Am I just like.. extremely unlucky or does ||Thanatos|| just hate me?
long field
Extremely Unlucky
tepid plover
is a bolt action rifle
his requirement is the 3rd chamber of elysium
if you reached that, extremely unlucky is my answer sadly
reef wind
Big sigh... I’ve gotten to fight ||Hades|| 4 times now so like I’ve passed Elysium and he just does not show up
tepid plover
praise the fates
reef wind
covert zenith
Similar thing happened to me. He exists
quick parrot
I have a question regarding Thanatos's Pierced Buttefly - it doesn't seem to trigger in the satyr tunnels. It says it triggers each Encounter that I don't take damage, but in those tunnels it doesn't seem to count. I find the usage of the Encounter wording strange because the tunnels do count as Encounters for Well of Charon items.
ebon basin
I think the plume also does that
flat vapor
butterfly (and plume) are the exceptions
ebon basin
They stop stacking after elysium
midnight hamlet
sooooooooooo, is it possible to actually piss off a god long-term by not picking them in one of those either or rooms
ebon basin
Assumed it was intentional
flat vapor
styx mini rooms count as encounters for everything except those two keepsakes
ebon basin
Sadge
midnight hamlet
You would be able to stack up sooo much on the butterfly if they didnt do that
flat vapor
sooooooooooo, is it possible to actually piss off a god long-term by not picking them in one of those either or rooms
nope, nothing goes past that one specific encounter
quick parrot
I feel let down that I kept it equipped during Styx only for it to be mostly useless...
midnight hamlet
okay good cuz I just seriously pissed off Artemis lol
kinda feel bad about it tbh D:
carmine ravine
yes artemis best waifu
flat vapor
trials are basically just two boons for the cost of a harder encounter
and anger lines
ebon basin
Sometimes not even harder tbh
carmine ravine
more anger lines if u mangaed to get a bad call
midnight hamlet
carmine ravine
aphro is easy, just deflect them
ebon basin
Dems the worst
midnight hamlet
I regretted my choice immediately
wild helm
I always choose whoever isn’t Dionysus because Dionysus is the only one without an enormous ego and says something to the effect of “You know I’m not actually mad, I just have to maintain appearances” if you don’t choose him lol
ebon basin
I awlays dont pick dio as well
carmine ravine
dio trial is literally random shet
flat vapor
some others... oof
carmine ravine
dio literally not aiming for you
ebon basin
Atleast they dont move or get bigger
ebon basin
Granny dem is feisty
carmine ravine
yeah just try to use her greater call during her trial
wild helm
I don’t think I’ve seen her anger lines yet because I always pick her boons when available, they’re so good
Is there a cast better than her’s in the game?
ebon basin
All of them
ebon basin
I just tried i think it was dem and aph duo
Whichever one makes it target you
It was pretty fun but a little inconvenient
wild helm
Oh yeah, Cold Embrace, I’ve seen it a few times
It’s not the best tbh. Sold it every time
ebon basin
It worked well enough with chill stacking and chill explosions
flat vapor
cold embrace takes some work
ebon basin
Good damage
flat vapor
not terrible, but not for everybody (or weapon)
ebon basin
I wouldnt go for it ever again
Too much trying
Going for all duo boons atm
Its like my last prophecy aside from 2 others
carmine ravine
dio/dem duo cast is probably my favourite
chill bomb which is instant instead of normal dio bomb
midnight hamlet
I would like dio (his cast I mean) but I I'm too lazy to use m+k
midnight hamlet
heresy
carmine ravine
u just sucks with the wep, the wep isnt at fault
midnight hamlet
I really want the hidden aspect
ebon basin
U get hermes attack speed epic with fists
midnight hamlet
IDK what it does but I've heard its fun
ebon basin
Ora ora all day
midnight hamlet
^
carmine ravine
maim free base 500 dmg
midnight hamlet
or the special attack bass cannon build
plucky rampart
I dare say if Supergiant ever publishes the highest heat reached by players. Fist would come in last.
in aggregate stats
ebon basin
I use dem fists the most
It takes alot of skill with high heat just bec of how dangerously close u have to be
Still id say most fun for me
midnight hamlet
I still just use whatever's got the grape jelly on it
carmine ravine
i mean hes probably salty of the fist coz hes so used to chiron bow i guess
midnight hamlet
or the gun
plucky rampart
ebon basin
midnight hamlet
I suck with the bow sometimes tbh
ebon basin
Zag sword with the life on hit hammer upgrade is probably my actual favorite thing to mess around with
plucky rampart
Imagine thinking chiron bow is the most braindead weapon
carmine ravine
no one said that
ebon basin
Its probably rail zues
plucky rampart
lol but that's what you mean by accusing me of being salty.
ebon basin
Yo relax its a pve game
plucky rampart
ikr
plucky rampart
anyway, fist feels like... very monotone
I think it might be better in high heat. But I never need to use demfist special.
on heat 5 with fist rn
or 6
and it was a mistake for me to lean into special to make it work. actually made my runs harder I think.
should have just buffed atk bc it's enough to take care of most enemies, including bosses.
carmine ravine
no draining cutter? sounds like a bad build
novel wasp
fists is easily the fun weapon
plucky rampart
More fun than Chiron?
manic bobcat
yes
manic bobcat
upper cut literally goes brrrrrr
plucky rampart
both are good vs working down single target, and gets overwhelmed with swarm
but it's so unsafe tho
manic bobcat
that's why you use divine strike
carmine ravine
see hes used to the distance
manic bobcat
although real men use lightning strike
plucky rampart
yeah divine strike is meh, I like lightning strike
I mean if you dont put zeus on fist atk then what's he good for even
carmine ravine
curse of agony is arguably better than zeus atk for fists
manic bobcat
with ME, sure. I think lightning strike is just more consistent boonwise
but ME Dash fists is def one the strongest options in the game, if not strongest
plucky rampart
ME?
carmine ravine
i mean even without ME, the doom stack is pretty instant for a big burst
manic bobcat
Merciful End
carmine ravine
curse of agony is the stacking boon
sharp fossil
curse of agony is the attack boon
dire misfortune is the boon which allows it to stack
carmine ravine
myb then
plucky rampart
I still need bad news.
and the demeter legendary.
the general suckiness of demeter boons is preventing me from fulfilling that prophecy.
🤷♂️
alright onto another run
novel shell
I watched some guy do a speedrun and now I feel even more like a noob
tepid plover
lmfao
ebon basin
So like i only have 4 more duo boons to finish the prophecy
fierce jackal
Zeus attack, Aphro special for dem fist surely
ebon basin
And im realizinh im so dumb and forgot that the mirror can boost the rates
So i could've had this done a few runs ago
carmine ravine
the mirror, chaos and eurydice all helps in boosting the rates
getting exclusive excess itself is the "easiest" one i guess
delicate ember
rigid mulch
do anyone know how to unlock the last heart for the olympians gods?
rigid mulch
thanks
novel shell
whew I just beat meg 2nd try im feelin good now last time it took me 9 times
rigid mulch
now do that 100 times more
novel shell
I shall
tepid plover
then 200 times
midnight hamlet
well this was ridiculously easy (OP shield build is op)
novel shell
alright meg is dead 2 times vewy pog
novel shell
me?
midnight hamlet
ja
novel shell
96 not invested I have the dash thingy and 2 of everything else I think
novel shell
106 now cause I just got some more
midnight hamlet
You can see spent + unspent somewhre in game but I can't remember whre
maybe at the mirror?
or start/select menu
novel shell
let me finish this run first then I'll check back at mirror
midnight hamlet
👍 You see it when you load up your save too
midnight hamlet
goootcha. Did you start playing recently?
novel shell
mhm I was on switch playing on a separate save at my uncles but I just got it on pc so I can play it more
ancient canyon
Hey so I beat the game today with the Chiron bow. Is there another sort of easy mode weapon that I should try?
novel shell
its my first day playing so i'm still trying to figure most things out but I got it down mostly
midnight hamlet
noice!
oops
I was saying, they scaffold the skill floors really well
the first few clears of each area are heckin difficult
took me until I had like 5000ish darkness to get my first full clear
@ancient canyon shield
midnight hamlet
the higher regions give you more stuff
spare ridge
ok this has been keeping me up today and i gotta reach a conclusion
could Bouldy technically be classified as a God?
the reason as to why i think that’s the case is because ||the only characters that give you boons are Gods||
solemn falcon
is the sword lifesteal worth taking? that 60% cut seems big
spare ridge
it’s worth
solemn falcon
i'll give it a shot
spare ridge
that 60% seems to outweigh the upside but it’s actually really balanced
solemn falcon
im doing a full zeus build rn and its kinda amazing
midnight hamlet
@spare ridge pretty sure he was a hero in greek mythology, like Achilles
midnight hamlet
sword lifesteal 
solemn falcon
shush
ancient canyon
@midnight hamlet is chaos shield fairly easy to beat hades?
midnight hamlet
I just did a run where I only used one death defiance, and thats just cuz I was getting lazy
yeah
shield is silly good against most bosses
ancient canyon
What should I go for with boons?
midnight hamlet
IDK really, you dont need deflects but they help
don't go for ranged stuff I guess, and remember that most of your damage is going to be in bursts, not continual fast strikes
🤷♂️
brisk trail
Yes.
manic bobcat
literally tons of damage