amazing
#h1-discussion
flat vapor
i think it's obvious at this point that this conversation is going nowhere, and that nobody is gonna convince the other side
let's take a step back, please
midnight bay
Achievements have always been a bit dumb. The easy solution is to not care what the game considers and achievement and pursue your own goals within the game
lucid stratus
i like achievements if i find them unreasonable i dont do them
if theyre a fun little extra thing, sure
ive had a lot of fun pursuing specific achievements, and then there's games that use achievements to dictate challenge runs
which is also cool
harkens back to beating stuff on higher difficulty/dying less and getting unlockables for it or whatever
even better if said achievement is associated with such a system
gusty slate
wicked iron
Achievements don't have to be for everyone, they are a test, if you don't like it you can skip it. But the absence of difficult achievements is just going to be a lack of indirect content for motivated players.
granite ether
this conversation is getting rather circular, so let's move on to something differant
gusty slate
vibin to some tunes
midnight bay
I think if a player has enough motivation to do legitimately hard things, doing the legitimately hard thing is its own reward
granite ether
what hades ost track are people enjoying most?
gusty slate
good riddance I hear
flat vapor
currently the two spoiler ones 😛
dusty spade
The unseen one
midnight bay
I love all of Elysium's themes. Also, Lament of Orpheus is a banger
dusty spade
Such a banger
lucid stratus
i really like orpheus song about zagreus
its stuck in my head a lot
and of course the final boss track
flat vapor
lament of orpheus underworld mix though, what a jam
midnight bay
final boss track is so sick
gusty slate
Secret boss music
flat vapor
also!!! the new hydra/aspho track! so, so good
gusty slate
especially the start
lucid stratus
lament of orpheus is really damn good too yeah
midnight bay
I also like ||On the Coast|| a lot
granite ether
niceu, they look absolutely stunning from the pictures on the store
would pick a set up, but I don't have a record player and shipping to Aus costs an arm and a leg and maybe a kidney if you're unlucky
north pier
ahh yeah for sure, funny that it's the opposite when shipping from AUS to US
granite ether
yeah, it's the strangest thing indeed
ocean kayak
mossy grove
cerberus?
dense prism
raven lava
holy heck
was nobody gonna tell me about the vinyls?
i might actually try and get this
granite ether
they might be still availible
dawn light
I got a question about the companion from sisyphus: does anyone know how I'm supposed to get him and bouldy to offer the companion?
north pier
the LE is sold out but there are others
dawn light
I've looked it up online and it just says I need to buy their contract from the house contractor to lessen sisyphus punishment, but I don't see it available
raven lava
Phil, it's a lot of dialogue
granite ether
please spoiler tag ||companions they are spoilers in this channel|| @dawn light
raven lava
keep talking to people and it'll pop up
north pier
yeah for pretty much every ||companion you're gonna just need to run through a lot of their dialogue||
dawn light
I'm at ~60 attempts already, and cleared about 25 times, still not enough diablogue?
@granite ether okay gotcha
granite ether
have you tried ||talking to bouldy||
north pier
@dawn light yeah you need to talk to them specifically many times, it's a little bit of RNG as well
dawn light
@granite ether I have, and I'm at max relationship with sisyphus before the locked heart
raven lava
sometimes the RNG works for you and sometimes it doesn't
granite ether
hmm, have you been giving nectar to Nyx?
dawn light
IF it's just a matter of getting the right dialogue, I'll keep playing until it happens
fringe garnet
Ares legendary: is it unique per-rift? Or if I get 10 consecutive hits with one rift, and then a second starts, will it start at +20?
dawn light
@granite ether I'm only at 5 hearts with her
granite ether
getting her to the lock should help you then ^_^
dawn light
@granite ether thanks very much!
granite ether
no worries
granite ether
||like this||
granite ether
fringe garnet
I feel like server admins here should be purple and mods blue
Supergiant = heroic
Admin = epic
Mods = rare
sand stump
fringe garnet
ah that's a good point. and maybe Hades QA are the rares
north pier
but who is Duo
vestal reef
Me
north pier
oh snap, maybe caitlin should be duo since she's community manager as well as working for supergiant
she's the lord of the discord and our bridge to supergiant
unborn wyvern
Every time we fight Dad one cape should be removed from his floor.
Clean your own room. >:c
gusty slate
Dad gets out of his chair?
north pier
||no||
||he turns invisible and sends one of his capes||
wouldn't that be wild if it were true
||and you've just been fighting his capes the whole time||
fringe garnet
anyone try Poseidon attack on the fourth exagryph aspect?
cant decide if i want to try it or not
tepid plover
is meh
fallen torrent
^
tepid plover
need boons to support it
fallen torrent
zeus better
tepid plover
?
fallen torrent
wait what
fringe garnet
what should i build my next run around, i mean
fallen torrent
that one
fringe garnet
Poseidon attack (using the first aspect, Zagreus)
fallen torrent
def not that one
fallen torrent
just take zeus attack on rail man
fringe garnet
it is fun with the right combos imo
fallen torrent
makes ur life so much easier
tepid plover
yes
fringe garnet
you can get the smash bonus like 20 times in a row
fringe garnet
true!
is zeus folks' favorite attack boon for the fourth aspect? ive run artemis and really really liked it
dio seems meh, athena meh, ares bad
tepid plover
north pier
lol
fringe garnet
athena is god tier on 4th rail aspect????
i guess that makes sense
it would be easy to reflect stuff
hmmmm
granite ether
athena dash is just really good...on everything
tepid plover
unless youre speedrunning, athena dash is probably the best dash in the game
fringe garnet
well duh!!! im talking specifically for attack on the 4th rail
north pier
not familiar with that one sorry
fallen torrent
athena dash so good
tepid plover
i had a fun run with art rail
granite ether
zeus attack (then all in zeus) works great with 4th rail
fallen torrent
or zeus attack
north pier
zeus attack is insane for every single aspect of every weapon
tepid plover
pls dont mention the name
north pier
infinite damage
tepid plover
tag it as spoiler
fallen torrent
i still dk how i feel about eternal chamber
vestal reef
Athena dash is best defensively which is the only thing you want for a dash
fringe garnet
eternal chamber is VERY GOOD on a crit build
fallen torrent
the dmg ramp up is so good than the infinite ammo almost doesnt seem worth it
north pier
athena dash is so nuts, especially if you luck into a hermes +1/2/3/4 dash
fringe garnet
i think infinite is basically a trap that one build excepting
fallen torrent
i take athena dash on nearly every run especially so with fists
vestal reef
I cannot use the rail aspects without bonus ammo
lunar cypress
The thing is WITHOUT eternal chamber it feels so bad to use
vestal reef
They just feel wrong
tepid plover
ive played a lot of hestia, so reloading isnt a problem for me
fallen torrent
i suck with hestia
tepid plover
just gotta reload lol
fallen torrent
i only remember to reload between waves
tepid plover
i pretty much shoot and reload xD
vestal reef
Too lazy
north pier
gross, controller user ew yucky
tepid plover
fallen torrent
ew controller
lunar cypress
I put call on L3 and moved reload to L2 instead
north pier
reload is R, simple as
north pier
r means arrr, me gun needs more ammo arrr shiver me timbers arrr
tepid plover
calm down skelly
north pier
||dusa's call seems real good||
north pier
zeus is top tier boons
tepid plover
ive never used ||fidi or antos||
vestal reef
||companions would be real good if I ever remembered to use them||
tepid plover
i should one of these days
i always remember when im low enough
carries me
thats why i dont wanna use any other, im so used to
F
fringe garnet
only active heal in the game
tepid plover
i love it
and some solid 1k dmg
the gold is good aswell
and well darkness
is just good all around
north pier
i just ||use companions on bosses||
vestal reef
it has so much use compared to the others which just make 1 encounter slightly easier
lunar cypress
I reaaaally wish rerolling boons didn't just put back the same ones I rerolled when there's still others possible..
vestal reef
that's randomness for you
tepid plover
yeah has more uses, unlike the usual, help me kills this boss
fringe garnet
I reaaaally wish rerolling boons didn't just put back the same ones I rerolled when there's still others possible..
@lunar cypress fyi part of this is that the game hyper-prioritizes main slots
attack, special, cast, dash, aid
if they are open
lunar cypress
Yeah but it was a hermes thing
lunar cypress
It just kept giving me the same 3, I spent 6 die
tepid plover
F
vestal reef
why did you spend 6
tepid plover
lunar cypress
Trying to get attack speed for ||Arthur||
fringe garnet
epic attack speed on it is sooooooo dreamy
vestal reef
embrace the slow
lunar cypress
Never
vestal reef
you gotta feeeeeel it
lunar cypress
And whats worse is you can't pom hermes boons
fringe garnet
it'd be OP if you could
lunar cypress
I mean I understand not doing it for the dashes one, but cmon now, none at all for the % bonuses?
fringe garnet
based on how many % it's possible to pom stuff i think you'd need to offer very incremental bonuses (like Pressure Points) or make them way worse
lunar cypress
I imagine a like, 2% increase or something, nothing huge
fringe garnet
starting at say 25% dodge chance or 40% movespeed as the BASE, then poms on top? too good
yeah maybe
lunar cypress
Maybe starting bigger and dropping down depending on what the current % is
Instead of by rarity
north pier
Hey where's the ||heat tier list?|| I looked in the other channels and can't find it
I thought it was pinned somewhere but can't find it
remote forge
From the North to the South, Ebudæ into Khartoum
From the deep sea of Clouds to the island of the moon
GRANT ME THE ASPECT OF ENYA
ember flame
dense quarry
||EM 4 Hades just beat my ass on phase 3. Are there just 3 phases for that much EM?||
weary ice
I love having the boons listed in the codex, it makes it really handy as I consider which chamber to choose, because I can quickly reference what the possible payouts of a given God are. I would love to have the same thing for weapon upgrades (daedalus hammers). It would also be good for prophecy fulfillment, as, like with the gods, I could see whether there is a possibility for furthering my prophecy completion
lunar cypress
Oh cool, a flame chariot spawned directly underneath me in ||an infernal gate|| :/
bright lance
Chiron bow is so satisfying when you see all the arrows just destroy the enemy at once
good thing the switch update hasn't come out yet so i can play a bit more of this amazing bow before the nerf
analog wren
rich presence 
lunar cypress
The base damage is nerfed for chiron, the scaling for it and such is buffed
So it evens out if you build for it
At least that was my understanding
little ridge
Is there a chance hades coming to ps4 next three months?
quaint wind
the team hasn't made any indication as to what other consoles the game will be ported to, nor when
little ridge
I want to play it on my ps4 while am still cyberpunk virgin
vapid narwhal
no console release for this year at least
granite ether
Will Hades ever come to other platforms?
We launched v1.0 of Hades only on Nintendo Switch, Steam, and the Epic Games Store. We'll be considering opportunities to bring the game to additional platforms down the line. Thank you for your interest.
From the #hades-faq
vapid narwhal
SGG is small and getting the game to release under covid is a big task in itself already
little ridge
I forgot about covid
high seal
still feels weird that some portraits blink and others dont lol
maybe it part of the lore that athena and ares have eyelids but the rest doesnt
little ridge
Imagine this studio makes a diablo like game 🥵🥵🥵
nocturne reef
honestly I didn't even notice
rich kestrel
how do you get the ||orpheus contract|| ive talked to nix and she mentioned it but I accidently skipped the dialogue
rich kestrel
Ive talked to hades since then and havent seen it once and ive done at least 20 runs since
high seal
you have to ||go to a room on the top left of the house||
north pier
@ember flame yes! that, thanks
also i have something to announce: I just beat ||tisiphone in less than 10 seconds and i felt like a speedrunner||
nocturne reef
haha
north pier
athena on attack is BERY GOOD
errant widget
I have a question
How do you get the game text to change colors?
say you collect coin, and your coin counter turns gold
I'm watching a livestream that has that happen for the streamer
nocturne reef
gemstones
errant widget
oh no I mean like
nocturne reef
oh I think when it goes over 350?
errant widget
Like say you spend your coin at the shop
and the coin counter turns red, at the bottom right corner
I know it's a silly thing to ask, but I haven't noticed it happening in my game
Even though I'm seeing it happen to another person playing the game
What gives?
nocturne reef
shrug
burnt helm
was gonna get hades LE vinyl in a couple of days cause thats when I get paid but its sold out :(
nocturne reef
ooph
you know what merch I'd really like???
stickers or trading cards of the character art
it so good
supergiant artbook when
polar bloom
Hi all. Is it possible to reroll into event rooms (sisyphus, eurydice, patroclus) using fated authority? Thanks
slender walrus
no i believe those are locked in/out
quaint hatch
You can't roll into and out of those
Why would you?
Free resource's, story/quest progress
The first is especially true for Euridice and to a lesser extent greek feta boy and rolling stone
Also free, non combat room
polar bloom
That's fair. Given the point that you cant roll out of it should have made it obvious that you cant roll into it.
quaint hatch
People can dream xD
I didn't know this till yesterday either
When I played authority I often desperately tried to force sys for companion progress
polar bloom
Well I've always assumed that you cant. I just knew for certain right now lol. Pretty embarassing tho for someone who's been playing since early access. I have no excuses xD
stuck sundial
how many times do i have to beat the game for, the story thing to trigger?
quaint hatch
Eh it's not like the game flat out tells ya
What exactly do you mean with "to trigger"?
north pier
I think it's really cool how ||wind instruments are rare until you reach the surface|| thanks darren
very very cool
quaint hatch
To finish story ||10 wins||
stuck sundial
ahhhhg
slender walrus
it never ends 
fierce jackal
is aphro the highest %?
high island
Yes.
polar bloom
Yeap. Followed by demeter i think
dawn lantern
north pier
what do you mean by %
fierce jackal
When attack/Special
quaint hatch
Damage increase of
peak cloak
what's the patch we just got?
quaint hatch
Misc bug fixes
Always
Don't get your hopes up for anything major in the foreseeable future
tepid plover
north pier
Yeah if it's a small patch and there's no notes, it's something you'll never and would have never noticed
tepid plover
void nova
does anyone know if it's possible to preserve a run if you've taken damage in an encounter but need to quit? i just had the hydra fight become unplayable because of a mod-related glitch, but it was after i'd taken damage, so my only choice is to give up. i was hoping i could somehow grab a save file and load back at the beginning of the hydra fight and see if it would work this time :/
quaint hatch
Booh save scumming
void nova
heyy! i agree, i only ask because i'm playing a mod
i wouldn't try to cheese the base game 😅
quaint hatch
I'm joking m8
void nova
💜
quaint hatch
No shame
void nova
agreed no shame to anyone who wants to play however they want
unkempt sleet
The game has a backup save to before you enter the boss
It should be bak1 in the files
quaint hatch
Window + E -> Documents -> Saved Games -> Hades
go there, copy profilex.sav, with x
in there should be a file called profile1.sav, or profile2.sav, etc. depending on the slot of your save. copy that, name it something memorable. if you want to load the save, rename the save to profilex.sav again, load the x slot, you are done (if the slot loads the beginning of a run, just quit out and load again). being your save slot, from 1 to 4
Copy pasta'd that
I'm not on pc but might help ya
At least you can create copies for safety
Maybe try it out on a different file
void nova
thanks! there are a few files, Profile1.sav, Profile1.v.sav, Profile1_Temp.sav, and each one of those has a .sav.bak version as well
quaint hatch
Credit goes to FoxHope
void nova
true
i created a copy of all my save data before i even installed this mod so, worse case scenario i won't be out much either way
quaint hatch
Haha your name is lucid but weird
void nova
it's true!
quaint hatch
Disregard what I copied thenlol
void nova
thanks lol
quaint hatch
Phonetics be weird
void nova
why disregard?
sudden dock
Oh my goodness! There is an insane amount of content even after the credits!
quaint hatch
Seems to me like you already did that so it's prolly useless to ya
void nova
ohhh
well the save files i copied were from before i even started this run, i'm hoping to be able to finagle the current save files to salvage this run where i'm at, so i think y'all's advice is still helpful 🙂
quaint hatch
Best of luck!
void nova
ty!
gaunt portal
Hey so my friend brought up that Hades triggers their motion sickness pretty badly, was this something the dev team considered and it just ended up being a n unavoidable side effect for the vision of the game?
And if that's the case is there a way to implement an accessibility feature for people like my pal
fading kindle
If I crank up the heat past my current best, what happens to bounties on heat levels I miss? Can they still be earned by going back and beating that specific level, or are they forfeited?
quaint hatch
Maybe there's mods that might help your friend
https://discord.gg/KuMbyrN
I'm not sure of any in game solutions
You don't miss the bounties
wise sparrow
if youre at heat 5 and crank it up to 10, you will just get bounties for heat 5
gaunt portal
I'll have a look, thank vo1di 🥰
fading kindle
Ah
void nova
Liv, does your friend have any suggestions of what kind of modification might make the game more accessible to them?
fading kindle
The ui seems to imply differently though, since the bounties all become question marks if I increase the heat, even if I have gotten two of them
gaunt portal
I've just asked them, will tell you their response in a moment
They couldn't watch a stream of it for very long due to how ill it made them, but something about a lot of the excess visual noise making it hard to track movement
quaint hatch
Reducing the visual noise could be difficult
Would it help making the main character stand out more
Through colouring f.e. ?
robust sundial
Eurydice, Daedalus, or Chaos ? such a hard choice !
unkempt sleet
Hammer can come later, NPC are one time only
quaint hatch
Hey don't dismiss chaos here
unkempt sleet
Chaos is good but you're in Asphodel, so the curse is there for some of Elysium too
gaunt portal
I'm waiting for them to respond I think they've fallen asleep
quaint hatch
Jk if you're looking for something specific for your build from hammers or chaos those are priorities imo
Otherwise npc
No worries :D
void nova
dang, i think i have failed to salvage my run 😢
oh well
at least it was just a modded run
the endless mod, to be specific. pretty rad idea, i've always thought this game could really use an endless/survival mode
but if you play the endless mod, maybe be sure to back up your save right before you get to the hydra for the second time
learn from my mistakes
lol
fallen crow
Hello I was looking into the game, are there any plan to make it multiplayer
granite ether
Is Hades a multiplayer game, or are there any plans for multiplayer?
Hades is a single-player game. We have no plans to add multiplayer, as we created the gameplay and narrative of Hades with a solo experience in mind.
From the #hades-faq
fallen crow
That sucks
burnt breach
does anyone know if it's possible to preserve a run if you've taken damage in an encounter but need to quit? i just had the hydra fight become unplayable because of a mod-related glitch, but it was after i'd taken damage, so my only choice is to give up. i was hoping i could somehow grab a save file and load back at the beginning of the hydra fight and see if it would work this time :/
@void nova when you give up a run, the save of that run will be your temp savefile
unkempt sleet
They don't want to give up, they want to quit
Wait
So they swap savefiles when you give up
slate jetty
here
||https://youtu.be/1Rhu1p0Ck9M ||
light knot
Thanks
eager vortex
guys any idea how to use the ||guan yu spear aspect with like||, 30hp?
tame maple
So.. How long does it take for Hypnos to allow me to gift him Ambrosia? 
It's the only chibi portrait I don't have yet
cloud apex
guys any idea how to use the ||guan yu spear aspect with like||, 30hp?
The idea is to not use it until 50 hp
That being said, you can focus on specials regardless, just really, really carefully
So.. How long does it take for Hypnos to allow me to gift him Ambrosia?
A specific Thanatos-Hypnos interaction iirc, which are "yes" tier of rare
carmine ravine
wzag archilles patroclus in a hosted game
surreal beacon
Shade battle royale, clearly
eager vortex
The idea is to not use it until 50 hp
That being said, you can focus on specials regardless, just really, really carefully
alr then, ty
Ima just use the cerberus item + upgrade it till 50 hp
balmy ginkgo
who should i give ambrosia to first?
and.. how 😐
also i dont understand how to use the blood of the titans yet
granite ether
have you unlocked all the weapons Adrian?
balmy ginkgo
yeah
also another quick question is if i want to upgrade to deluxe before getting the fishing rod
granite ether
try pressing the button you used to pick up the weapon again once you pick up the weapon (unless you just unlocked them all then do a run first)
granite ether
as in the contractor's table? what exactly about the upgrade
you'll still be able to buy the ||fishing rod|| after you buy the contractor table upgrade
granite ether
ahh, there'll be a chance of fishing spots appearing in runs, they're quite noticeable and the game should give you an idea of what to do :3
vapid lance
After you clear an encounter, there's also a tiny bell sound.
coarse pasture
So I’ve got the locked hearts on some olympians and other characters. Does the game ever tell you how to get past those? Don’t tell me how to do it, just tell me if the game tells me or if I’ll discover it organically or whatnot
cloud apex
Eventually the characters should mention the "quest" in their dialogue
vapid narwhal
||keep talking with them to trigger their quest||
woven cipher
What's the actual qualifier for the a place of revelry quest?
dusky abyss
How do you keep track of which weapons have cleared which idk floor i guess
vapid narwhal
||unlock the administrative chamber||
dusky abyss
Ok thanks
vapid narwhal
once you beat the game once you can also check with ||pact of punishment||
balmy ginkgo
i dont see any fishing spots 😐
meager barn
they randomly appear
chrome shuttle
Once you have the rod, after clearing a room, you will sometimes hear a ding. Check the water in the room and find the shiny spot
limpid crown
I hope the switch cross save update come soon enough. Leaving for the army soon and might wanna play something while I'm there
vapid lance
So when you get characters up to the locked hearts, can you keep giving them nectar? Or will the game stop you from wasting nectar
meager barn
you cant
vapid lance
Yay, good to know
amber cloak
Does anyone what how much health or percentage of health the healing option for Sisyphus gives?
strong vessel
@amber cloak woah. Thinking back, I actually never chose "Health" from Sisyphus. Mindblown. I usually go for Obol all the time.
Obol ranges from 105-110 from my experience. Sorry about the health since I haven't tried it yet.
amber cloak
Yeah I usually never do too but I had like 500 obol and missing some health and was wondering lol
strong vessel
What happens to the Rail with the ||"Aspect of Hestia"|| when I pick up the Daedalus Hammer power up that gives Unlimited Ammo but Three Shot burst? || Since I don't need to reload anymore, what shot is empowered?||
Thanks in advance!
robust sundial
the one after you manually reload ?
dusk mantle
Hey the latest update show which region you are playing in the game in Discord
Nice touch. 👍
vapid lance
I managed to beat the story yesterday, and just as I tabbed out to tell my friends, my computer crashed and refused to turn back on. I can only assume the Styx claimed it.
zealous galleon
there is no escape from the game
vapid lance
Apparently there is. 😂
tiny grove
Is there no escape?
amber cloak
Hades mentioned that Zeus had a magnificent bear and I was thinking his wasn't that bad either when I noticed his beard is just a really long mustache
quaint hatch
@gaunt portal hey just wanted to catch up how the situation is for your friend now? How far are y'all?
modest ledge
quick question
if I do a heat gague higher than my current (for example, my current highest heat is 4 for shield, but I want to do 6 because I want to fight extreme measures bosses) would it count as a heat gauge 4 run or a heat gauge 6?
quaint hatch
Not sure but you won't miss out on any rewards
slender linden
4 if you haven't cleared 4 fully yet
5 if you did, and it'll count as 6 if you beat 5 with those active
quaint hatch
amber cloak
How should I be playing with ||Aspect of Guan Yu||? Usually aspects are pretty obvious about what attacks to focus or how to play it but I don't really know how to approach this aspect.
cyan python
I think its garbage personally
quaint hatch
It's not lol
Build for special with charged skewer and artemis flourish
You need to max it tho
Nothing is bad in hades
amber cloak
I play all the weapons and in my experience they're all balanced, you just have to approach them all differently so how you play with one might be bad with another so other people label some weapons as trash
tiny grove
I feel like the aspect gets a lot better with the right hammers
also anything that helps you charge the spin attack
baseline it feels like a liability weapon imo
cyan python
idk I feel like once you start adding all of these caveats to a weapon to make it good, its not actually that good
like sure you can build for anything
zealous galleon
Yeah that's what I was saying yesterday Syblix
cyan python
but certain weapons are just inherently better
zealous galleon
When you have to say "this weapon is good just get these boons" or whatever, like, is the weapon actually good?
quaint hatch
Reminds me of the guy that thinks gy is trash cause less life and arthur is best cause more life
Yeah like eris maybe
You were saying gy is trash
Not that there are better weapons
amber cloak
I wouldnt say inherently better, some are easier to make work and get good without having to go for a specific build, while others are hard to work with
quaint hatch
I'm bad with it too lol
cyan python
Reminds me of the guy that thinks gy is trash cause less life and arthur is best cause more life
not exactly wrong there 🤔
quaint hatch
I wouldnt say inherently better, some are easier to make work and get good without having to go for a specific build, while others are hard to work with
@amber cloak Amen
not exactly wrong there 🤔
@cyan python you can't be serious
Such a meme
cyan python
Im always serious
cyan python
There are few things in this game I will refuse to believe are good
guan yu is one of them
amber cloak
I still find that hard to believe but I haven't done a full run with him. If Guan Yu breaks my like 20 win streak I might agree with you let's see
quaint hatch
Haven't head a successful run with it either
But I dislike spear and haven't leveled it fully yet
tiny grove
I agree with voi1di that there's no bad in Hades. When people say that an aspect is bad, are they specifically asking for buffs?
I've won a couple of runs with that aspect and one of my builds was hilariously overpowered
amber cloak
Also there is no way the aspect is actually objectively bad, Supergiant has access to data from players and winrate, so they can literally perfectly balance win rate
tiny grove
and just because there's some level of combo you need to make it really strong, doesn't make it unviable
quaint hatch
I just dislike the dismissive attitude imo
amber cloak
It might be subjectively bad or bad to play though
tiny grove
or trash
I mean
I think a game like this
is trying to encourage you explore and have discovery
as part of its enjoyment past of the first few clears
discovering that a hammer upgrade that you thought was trash tier
actually makes a godlike combo with an aspect you'd never tried
is one of the most satisfying things for me
cyan python
I just dislike the dismissive attitude imo
idk why what other people think even matters
quaint hatch
We're in a discord about a game we all like
fervent heart
Is it fair and valid to keep playing at ||0 heat|| just for story?
quaint hatch
Everything's fair
fervent heart
Because I have NO idea if story is locked behind the ||PoP||
tiny grove
tbh, it's a fair thing
cyan python
@fervent heart no youre an awful person for doing so /s lmao
quaint hatch
Why are you posting in a discord when you "don't care what people say"
tiny grove
but someone else could suggest politely
that you're missing out on a lot of discovery
quaint hatch
It matters as long as it influences others
fervent heart
Aight bet
tiny grove
that potential matters
in terms of fleshing out of the game
but it's really up to them
cyan python
idk whos talking to me and whos not
quaint hatch
It matters as long as it influences others
@quaint hatch that was directed to your comment
cyan python
I dont see how Im doing that though?
quaint hatch
Sure it times you at 9 minutes but it adds +9 each stage
By saying a weapon is trash in your opinion you might discourage more inexperienced players from trying it themselves
Or from exploring/trying out
cyan python
and?
quaint hatch
You possibly limit other people's possibilities
Hades is a game about choice
You can choose to dislike and not play gy but don't enforce that as fact
cyan python
am I suddenly the master of whomever plays this game and looks in this chat
how is saying "personally, I think its garbage" enforcing it as a fact
get off your high-horse dude
quaint hatch
There are few things in this game I will refuse to believe are good
@cyan python that's a pretty definite statement
What high horse
cyan python
you literally just quoted an expressed opinion
quaint hatch
Lol just realized that yeh
cyan python
so why
quaint hatch
Gg
cyan python
k
tiny grove
btw is there anywhere specific to relay ideas for the devs?
cyan python
not anymore
tiny grove
alright thanks
late plover
whats the point of rarity if my boon is still the same as it was before ambrosia delight
gusty slate
rarity ups the base/scaling doesn't it?
late plover
strong drink
balmy ginkgo
Olympian favor or dark foresight?
late plover
its still 5%
late plover
i had an epic version now its heroic
late plover
it hasnt changed
late plover
so i need to sip for it to reset?
gusty slate
Oh I see
late plover
oh
gusty slate
The scaling is now 6%, but you don't see that
quaint hatch
Rarity ups base scaling
tiny grove
but yes their UI could be more clear
gaunt portal
@gaunt portal hey just wanted to catch up how the situation is for your friend now? How far are y'all?
@quaint hatch they're stil asleep rn
tiny grove
thanks for that yoink
quaint hatch
The fresh smell of numbers
late plover
hermes or double boon (with wine guy and deflect person)?
tiny grove
imo I think Achilles but at the same time I have come to find other weapons easier to clear with
but Achilles is super fun
Definitely 10/10 for fun
gusty slate
Comes down to personal preference, I like Zag aspect lol...
quaint hatch
Depends on your build @late plover
tiny grove
Main thing about Zag aspect is I feel like I need to spam Q till my hand has a seizure
xd
late plover
by build is messy af
quaint hatch
I guess gy?
You can play every spear spect tho
late plover
i picked the double
quaint hatch
Well good luck then
tiny grove
gl
gusty slate
I like Achilles for cast builds, using the rush as a repositioning 'dash'
balmy ginkgo
i wish all aspects were open as default once you finish the game
i hate needing to spend points just to unlock
quaint hatch
Teleport???
balmy ginkgo
seems like an un-needed grind
gusty slate
For titan blood there's a trick
quaint hatch
Imagine putting in effort lol
gusty slate
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
To test at least
but to 100% unlock everything yeah it's a grind
quaint hatch
It's not a grind imo
That's the gameplay loop of a rogulite
balmy ginkgo
is really annoying
again.. upgrading is ok
but just to unlock
makes me roll my eyes pretty hard
thats unfair and a forced grind
just let me enjoy the gameplay of weapons
quaint hatch
By the time you have finished story and epilogue you'll have more then enough blood for the unlocks
balmy ginkgo
but i dont want that i want to spend it for upgrades
gusty slate
Hypnos, buddy, I need a training ground
balmy ginkgo
dude im not planning on playing 400 hours in this game
i just want to enjoy the weapons and aspects
quaint hatch
I think it would be way more boring playing with basic weapons for like 20 wins
balmy ginkgo
not grind it indefinitely
tiny grove
@gusty slate I may try the rebind idea
balmy ginkgo
i dont enjoy vanilla weapon gameplay, sue me
quaint hatch
What's your vision of grind?
Having to play more than 5 hours?
tiny grove
it's natural enough for me to press q but it definitely strains my hand
quaint hatch
I don't either
balmy ginkgo
its not 5 more hours
quaint hatch
That's why I was saying that
quaint hatch
Because if you unlock all aspects after finishing the story you'd have to achieve 10 wins
gusty slate
@tiny grove I have to stop moving to use q sometimes so the rebind was a God send highly recommend
balmy ginkgo
i remember i saw a modding discord where was it?
cyan python
the difference between "aspect" and "upgrade" is literally just semantics
balmy ginkgo
no its not
cyan python
the other aspects are upgrades in a way
balmy ginkgo
since the baseline should be free
quaint hatch
They augment gameolay
balmy ginkgo
yes
quaint hatch
Why? Because you feel entitled to them?
cyan python
they are more powerful versions of the base weapons
balmy ginkgo
which is why they should be free to use and cost to upgrade
quaint hatch
That's not how it works in any rogulike/game
They are not necessarily more powerful
That's not the intention
balmy ginkgo
does it matter? i really hate this and want to experiment now for free without needing to reset every minute
cyan python
just mod them in jesus
quaint hatch
Yes
balmy ginkgo
how?
gusty slate
There is a modding discord erm lemme go find it
quaint hatch
Progress is a motivator
New ways to play the game are the reward for playing the game
tiny grove
The way I see it, the grind (if it really is that grindy at all) just adds depth to the endgame and gameplay. They're kinda just different identities and more content for those who want it. Similar to the pact of punishment. Having upgrades for the aspects will make future higher heat runs more successful. If you really enjoy the game, there's unlocks for those who want to keep playing
If you really don't care about the game that much
quaint hatch
If you wouldn't have to unlock the weapons you would have a lot less to aim for
balmy ginkgo
as i already said twice by now
i dont have al the time in the world
unlocking to me seems like a grind i dont want to do
i will upgrade them slowly yes
tiny grove
the unlocks aren't really for you anyway
balmy ginkgo
but paying 20 hearts just to open stuff up
tiny grove
they could've just had 4 weapons
quaint hatch
You don't need to spend 20 hours at once in this game
quaint hatch
You are entitled to your opinion
But then don't day it "should be like that"
balmy ginkgo
okay and?
i dont think it should be this way
i think weapon aspects should be free
thats my opinion
tiny grove
so which kind of user are you- the kind that is looking for all of the content in a game, with the time at hand
or someone who wants to play Hades lite
quaint hatch
And if you only care about the weapons you can even trade in Ambrosia
tiny grove
without heat and aspects
there's also a practical reason of locking the user to basic versions of their weapons
quaint hatch
Practice
tiny grove
as just giving you all the aspects at the same time can be overwhelming
cyan python
this is such a minor thing to be upset about
quaint hatch
Game understanding
cyan python
Im just confused
tiny grove
and being overwhelming is not good for encouraging new players
quaint hatch
this is such a minor thing to be upset about
@cyan python same
split swift
I feel like not wanting to put time in runs counter to the point of the game, honestly
quaint hatch
Or are you talking to me
cyan python
lol
cyan python
to me, working towards unlocking new weapon aspects is more fulfilling than slight percentage increases
but thats just me
quaint hatch
☝️
split swift
I saw a similar complaint the other day that the flight in Outer Wilds was "gatekeeping the good parts behind glorified moonlander"
cyan python
Also also also, I think many people forget that the actual game here is the rogue-like
well technically rogue-lite
quaint hatch
Yu as I already said: gameplay loop
balmy ginkgo
@split swift well excuse me for not having +100 extra hours to grind the game
im so sorry
or even 50 for that matter
gusty slate
For me to stop needing bloods it took ~150 hours, but I'm bad at the game lul
quaint hatch
If you're having fun you'll take the time
balmy ginkgo
just understand some people prefer variety and dont "get overwhelmed" since they are experienced players in general and just prefer versatility
brisk trail
Aaaaaand there goes my 13 streak >_> thanks, ||Lucifer||
quaint hatch
@vale kite love your name
vale kite
i didnt even say anything
gusty slate
Anyways, this discussion is going in circles as a mod would say
vale kite
but thanks 🙂
balmy ginkgo
i dont
i have 1.5 weapons at most
since everything is locked
and vanilla weapons suck
vale kite
aspects aren't everything pal
gusty slate
vanilla weapons are fine though, can win with most anything
quaint hatch
That's your opinion
Keys are easy to come buy
Anyways I should stop
vale kite
once you get to know how to get the right boons you'll do good
balmy ginkgo
what...
im not takling about keys
im talking about all aspects are locked since it costs blood
i dont want to play vanilla weapons
quaint hatch
You were saying you have 1.5 and everything is locked
balmy ginkgo
and being forced to play with them is not fun for me
quaint hatch
How am I supposed to understand that
balmy ginkgo
i have 1.5 because i have an aspect on my bow
and an aspect i dont want on my spear
thats it
gusty slate
Zag aspect fist are pretty fun though
tiny grove
I mean, sure the vanilla weapons are unintereting at times, but a lot of them are good and strong
and as a player with relatively few hours
I don't think you'd enjoy any of the hidden aspects
they're often clunky to use
and require more skill and precision
to make the most out of them
quaint hatch
I love most of em personally
tiny grove
let me put it this way
I often lost my first attempt at these unlock aspects
but I came to realise I just needed to play better
and incorporate the hours of experience I had
giving players a strong and usable baseline weapon
is better than just going hey here's TWENTY FOUR possible weapons you can use
some of which are completely transformative of the weapon and playstyle
you know nothing about the game, ready steady go
quaint hatch
Patience is a virtue
opaque canopy
You want to play with the weapons rn just download a save that speedrunners use
split swift
It definitely doesn't take hundreds of hours to unlock all the weapons lol
Also yeah easiest solution is just download a speed run save
gusty slate
Oh, how long does it take someone to max all the aspects? took me 150 hours
cyan python
idk havent maxed em all myself
smoky harness
I suppose it'd depend on how good you are at the game and how lucky you get with your runs
cyan python
at 68 hours
gusty slate
True
cyan python
and 70ish runs
prisma grove
What's y'alls fave weapon? I'm partial to the fists
thick swallow
I still haven’t maxed but I’m also generally not interested in upping heat past a point
cyan python
s w o r d
thick swallow
(At like 130 hours)
quaint hatch
Chaos, chiron, hera, rama
prisma grove
Sword is my second fave, third is spear. I'm not fond of the Bow or the Machine gun.
split swift
I like Hestia and Demeter
gusty slate
Can't really decide tbh
prisma grove
Fair. Same for me. I just tend to prefer close range combat.
brisk trail
||Arthur|| > ||Zeus|| > ||Chiron|| > ||Talos|| > ||Hades|| > whatever aspect the rail has
cyan python
a fellow ||arthur|| enjoyer I see
prisma grove
So far I'm really fond of Talos. Like I love it a lot.
slender linden
blitz disc go brrrr
tiny grove
Blitz is fun for sure
cloud apex
||Arthur||, Hades, Zagreus shield, Chiron, Demeter. No favorite rails lul
brisk trail
Yeah, could plow all the way to Heat 16 using ||Arthur||, while struggling to even make it past 5 using Rail. Other weapons in between are around 7-9 heats now
tiny grove
tbh I could name more aspects I love than ones I avoid
slender linden
also i enjoy secret spear aspect but tbf i play on godmode
tiny grove
xD
prisma grove
The shield is super duper fun if you get the hammer of deadalus first thing and make the charge attack much faster.
brisk trail
I've picked Charged Shot most of the time whenever its available lol
prisma grove
Feel like a pinball
cloud apex
The only one I actively avoid is zeus shield because I have no idea how to utilize that beyblade
quaint hatch
Bruh everything can play me
slender linden
you use it like a more static blade rift, and resummon over the enemies. basically yeah kite
quaint hatch
brisk trail
@cloud apex easy, special first, let beyblade go brrr, you go around fighting, and beyblade will follow you, and damage every thing around its path back to you
cyan python
am I dumb
quaint hatch
But I think yk what I'm getting at
cyan python
whats ME
cloud apex
Cast shouldn't mind too much actually, since they don't have use for base attacks anyway
Could always mix the doom in
dapper marlin
do they plan on only making the cross save only FROM PC to Switch and not back again? Ive sunk about 40 hours into the switch version and have surpassed my PC save by alot 😅
quaint hatch
Both sides
But nothing concrete known
gusty slate
need the light indicator or the splashing sound. There can only be 3 fakebobs max, so the 4th bob will be a fish
quaint hatch
Can you ever not complain
There's a maximum of 3 fake bobs
zealous galleon
I think they're allowed to complain
gusty slate
People get frustrated with the bobs fairly often, fishing isn't really explained
quaint hatch
Weapon locked awful, god damn bobs
zealous galleon
I don't understand tbh fishing doesn't seem that hard
quaint hatch
Threw me off too
zealous galleon
I mean I haven't been able to catch fish every time but it's not that bad
gusty slate
Until they've done it correctly a few times it won't click for some people
quaint hatch
I get way to nervous and press too early lots of times
gusty slate
Some can't get that perfect catch also
zealous galleon
same vo1di
quaint hatch
I just rely on 4th bob
zealous galleon
but it seems pretty straightforward, you wait until the thingie goes into the water and a shiny effect pops up
and then you catch the fish
everyone misses sometimes, you can always try again later
gusty slate
It's not as straightforward for some people however
zealous galleon
how so?
gusty slate
At first I didn't know about the indicators lol
looked it up and went "oh!"
Thought it was like minecraft fishing or something
zealous galleon
the first few times I just pressed E as soon as the first bob happened and obviously that didn't work
but after a little bit you understand
gusty slate
Well I'm an idiot, so there's that
zealous galleon
same actually
I find this game harder than most people here but fishing looks decent fun to me
gusty slate
Perfect catches are a bit hard too lol 0.34 seconds
raw lantern
i failed the first two times fishing popped up for me
zealous galleon
yeah same
raw lantern
perfect catch?
gusty slate
Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch message on the top of your screen. Guaranteed to catch a Rare fish. a fair RNG chance to catch a Legendary fish
0.34 second to 1.0 second: Catch message. A fair RNG chance to catch a Rare fish.
After 1 second: fail with a "Too Late" message.
The % is a bit off though if I recall need to edit that out holdon
Actually not sure what tht % is lol....
tender swift
I believe I read 5% on wiki.
Less than 0.34 second: Perfect catch. Guaranteed to catch a Rare fish. 1/21 (≈ 4.76%) chance to catch a Legendary fish
gusty slate
Wiki does say 5%, but idk how updated that is
quaint hatch
Wiki is outdated mostly
gusty slate
Also feels higher than 5%, but I'd rather not scare people with 5% xD
slender linden
the fishing explanation first time appears on the left top side of the screen and not everyone pays attention to it, so later they're either confused what to do or which button to press the first time. its definitely not ideal
cyan python
Im looking through the game files and Im not sure I see anything with rarity
there's an attribute called "weight" but it's 0.05 for all the fish
slender linden
that being said fishing in this game is one of the easiest fishing mechanics in games xD
gusty slate
As I said I'm an idiot, so I had to look it up xD
tender swift
This is true, and I agree that it definitely feels higher than 5%
cyan python
oh ok I deciphered it
Defaults =
{
Good =
{
{ Name = "Fish_Tartarus_Common_01" },
{ Weight = 0.05, Name = "Fish_Tartarus_Rare_01" },
},
Perfect =
{
{ Name = "Fish_Tartarus_Rare_01" },
{ Weight = 0.05, Name = "Fish_Tartarus_Legendary_01" },
},
Is there anything special that I need to do for unlocking the last Ares heart. I gave up and looked it up and found that I am to do his prophecy where he asks you to kill 10,000 enemies. That prophecy was completed quite a few runs ago for me and I still have yet to be able to unlock his heart / give him ambrosia
cyan python
as you can see, normally you are guaranteed a common, with 5% rare chance
but with a perfect catch, you are guaranteed rare with 5% legendary chance
cyan python
1/20 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
gusty slate
RNG I suppose being nice
gusty slate
I'll pass, need to collect millions of run data for Chaos fish too and that's going to take forever
tender swift
Ah ok, thanks thanks. I'll just keep annoying the war god then xD
"LOVE ME PLEASE"
gusty slate
His death senses are overstimulated
digital shore
I was thinking about this (my post)
https://twitter.com/ReinDevildom/status/1317491709778006017?s=19
gusty slate
There's something here but I just can't quite put my finger to it
lusty meteor
I got all the hearts for Dusa and still haven't forged a bond with her, am I doing something wrong?
gusty slate
Need to get to a certain part of dialogue I think
Although, she has a favour
Have you been ||pimping out the lounge?||
lusty meteor
I have been
gusty slate
Should get a prophecy for it, there are some requirements, but once that is done should eventually hit a dialogue for the bond
lusty meteor
I did get the prophecy for it, I've even given Dusa like || 7 ambrosias or something to that amount ||
tiny grove
||there's an storyline with Nyx you need to do as well, I'm pretty sure||
gusty slate
I personally, for Dusa, ||went through the Nyx storyline and then got to a dialogue point with Dusa in which a prompt comes up|| I think that was when my bond was forged
lusty meteor
Ah gotcha I did not go through that yet. Thanks for the help :)
gusty slate
Hopefully that helps, good luck!
wintry goblet
Is there any benefit to building the lodge or is it just for appearance
cyan python
there are some functional things, but most are purely cosmetic
high widget
There isn't a place for "Hades-Suggestions"?
cyan python
it was removed after EA ended
high widget
Ah gotcha
You can get a boon list from Gods to see which ones you're missing and what to plan around, but can't get Daedalus lists for your weapon in the Codex. Same with some other missing features in the Codex... just wish I could see them all during a run
that's all I was going to suggest, but yeah 🙂
cyan python
the daedalus thing has been suggested many times dont worry
cyan python
theres a mod that adds that in btw if you feel like it
wintry goblet
If I have all bounties except for the one from the final boss, should i replay that heat level or can I just move on to the next one?
cyan python
I dont think you "complete" a heat level unless you get all the rewards
tiny grove
I was thinking it'd be pretty cool if they added ultra-rare Hermes duo boons that were only available from Act 4 shop
that would take some work tho
wintry goblet
It'd be cool if at a certain point of progression, you got Boons from Hades
cyan python
Well (major spoiler) ||you do get something from him later on||
cyan python
the one that has spoilers in the title
wintry goblet
I regret giving him my nectar, I was so sad
cyan python
except they still require tags for 1.0 endgame content in there
raw lantern
dusty path
Man guys this game is hard
wintry goblet
If you're having trouble progressing, you can always turn on God Mode
raw lantern
the game is hard! but its fun
cyan python
or just git gud
dusty path
I’m enjoying it. Just seems a little button mashy at times.
Just got through with 465 hours of Dead Cells. This is my first game after I finished
Definitely enjoying the progression system
I learned from my Dead Cells mistakes and watched a few tips for beginners videos. Which has helped a lot
carmine ravine
i legit dont rhink u need much tutorials in hades
gusty slate
Tutorials aren't a bad resource though if someone wants to use them
dusty path
Not tutorial as much as tips. Things like what rooms to focus on early on, what should be prioritized, etc
gusty slate
Of course, whatever it takes to build that intuition 👍
dusty path
I finished all 5 difficulties on Dead Cells and dropped 400+ hours. So this game is definitely up my alley. Just trying to learn the ropes
gusty slate
In the end though, you can try out most things and still be fine
dusty path
I will say that it’s early rooms seem harder than Dead cells opening areas
gusty slate
Doesn't matter when you clear or how long it takes, as long as you're enjoying the game
cloud apex
I’m enjoying it. Just seems a little button mashy at times.
Gotta say it is just a bit more mashy than dead cells. Probably due to 2.5d space being utilized
dusty path
The moment to moment combat is fantastic
I definitely appreciate the technical performance as well
steady ember
Hello there! Does anybody know if Hades will be ported to PS5/4? 😄 I see that bastion, pyre, transistor are all present on PS, so I'm assuming it might take some more time until we have Hades there also 😄
dusty path
I hope so. I’d like to see everyone get a chance to play this game
cyan python
No plans as a of yet
dusty path
It’s got great word-of-mouth like Dead Cells, they are definitely leaving money on the table as games, especially indie games, perform really well on PlayStation
fierce jackal
Absolutely mash dash 24/7 and mash click+mix special and cast in towards enemy = win
dusty path
I wouldn’t go that far
You definitely can’t mindlessly button mash to win
If you try that you will definitely lose
dusty path
Maybe we have different definitions of mindless
alpine sun
But mashed nonetheless
dusty path
Word
zealous galleon
you can mindlessly button mash with the shield most of the time
outside of asphodel and bosses, you can basically mindlessly mash and win
barren ocean
is it a Steam page that explains what the titles completing a run mean?
Ex. Death Defier means you used DD like 6 times
flat vapor
barren ocean
Thanks!
huh
well the one i just got isnt there
🤔
Anyone know what "Pride of Olympus" clear means?
hollow prawn
looks like you have to get at least 3 legendaries
hollow prawn
yaeh they changed it away from that name, wikis outdated
barren ocean
Ah okay thanks guys!
cyan python
@hollow prawn after 10 mins of searching through game files I can verify this lmao
hollow prawn
I did the same thing lol
cyan python
hayai
hollow prawn
didnt even realize legendary boon boy was a thing until crabbar mentioned it
prisma berry
hey guys , is there anybody who can tell me how to unlock the hidden weapon aspects? not the normal ones. I have checked dozens of articles and videos which were not helpfull. I have unlocked every weapons aspects exept the hidden ones. Maxed out 2 weapons but still achillies is simply not talking to me about unlocking them? There are absolutely no guides whatsoever about unlocking them. Please help out. Thanks
hollow prawn
oh I just searched every file at once
cyan python
how do that
cyan python
ahhh