h1-discussion

[dusk night]

||it was the run when you first get given the legendary catch boon plus they added surface fish||

[manic bobcat]

we have a community racing event

hosted every other Friday

[tepid plover]

I still need the rare fish from the surface

[sweet heart]

i only need rare fishes

all

rare fishes

[dusk night]

go for the lures in the shop

[manic bobcat]

we have some of the best players in the tournament racing to see who finish the game faster

[dusk night]

thats how i get heaps most runs

[sweet heart]

"best players"

[zealous galleon]

what's the world record right now lmao

[dusk night]

7ish mins

[zealous galleon]

damn

that's insane

[dusk night]

i believe

[manic bobcat]

depends on what you mean by record

[pseudo onyx]

Yeah that's how you unlock the romance with Hermes

[tepid plover]

Whenever u win theres no fish

[pseudo onyx]

lolol

[manic bobcat]

highest heat is 50 I think?

[sweet heart]

how the hell do u get "good" at hades

[zealous galleon]

just the fastest way someone has beaten the game without actual cheats

heat or no heat doesn't matter

[manic bobcat]

how the hell do u get "good" at hades
speedrun, speedracing, or high heat climb

[tepid plover]

Didn't vorime beat it in like 6:40 or smth?

[scenic path]

|| highest heat run ive seen is like 53 ||

[sweet heart]

h o w

[manic bobcat]

pre 1.0 was sub 5 mins

[zealous galleon]

Yeah that's how you unlock the romance with Hermes
@pseudo onyx Hermes 100% does some kinky stuff with Charon

[tepid plover]

how the hell do u get "good" at hades
You keep playing

[sweet heart]

how

[manic bobcat]

not sure about post 1.0

[thorn tendon]

aww, there's no achievement for doing Eris + Hazard Bomb?

[sweet heart]

lol u just hack and slash and use elements to help with the hacking and slashing and casting

[scenic path]

|| post 1.0 is 7.14 ||

i think

[manic bobcat]

how
@sweet heart routing, lots of it. basically RNG manipulation,

[zealous galleon]

the fastest I've ever beaten the game was 27 minutes but tbf I wasn't trying to speedrun. Then again, even if I was trying, I probably wouldn't be much faster

[manic bobcat]

they are called any% run for that

[zealous galleon]

this was also before I got the pact of punishment

[sudden dock]

I can already see a DLC that expands the game. What if you can continue in the overworld in a Titan Quest like more open dungeon where you save the villages of the mortals from satyr attacks? Then you can travel to a volcanic wasteland and defeat a giant titan. At last you confront the rest of the gods you haven't used on Olympus! +2 more boons for every god so you can get powerful asf.

[zealous galleon]

7 minutes is just insane

[sweet heart]

@sweet heart routing, lots of it. basically RNG manipulation,
@manic bobcat routing, manipulations?

[scenic path]

ive done a 19:13 run without trying

[sweet heart]

geez i play that game for fun not for a job

[zealous galleon]

I can already see a DLC that expands the game. What if you can continue in the overworld in a Titan Quest like more open dungeon where you save the villages of the mortals from satyr attacks? Then you can travel to a volcanic wasteland and defeat a giant titan. At last you confront the rest of the gods you haven't used on Olympus! +2 more boons for every god so you can get powerful asf.
@sudden dock I want a Hades sequel game like this so bad

[sweet heart]

lol

[dusk night]

i found most of the achievements underwhelming had almost all of them unlocked right away when the game went 1.0, theres only a few that are really challenging imo

[zealous galleon]

I don't like 100%ing games, I don't really care about getting all the achievements

[scenic path]

i try to get achievements but thats about it

[sweet heart]

what is routing

and what is rng manipulation

[zealous galleon]

Just seems unproductive tbh, spending hours to get that one fish

[manic bobcat]

basically there is a way of letting you control the RNG choices in the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpDS4RJIcE0&feature=emb_title

[dusk night]

i thought they would make one for defeating both of the champions of elysium within a few seconds of one another

an achievement i mean

[manic bobcat]

this is before 1.0, but still true for 1.0, you can control the choices in the game, so you have the boons you want, the rooms you want

[zealous galleon]

is there an achievement for having a champion of elysium kill the other one using the charm effect?

[sweet heart]

this is before 1.0, but still true for 1.0, you can control the choices in the game, so you have the boons you want, the rooms you want
@manic bobcat how hacking?

lmao what

[manic bobcat]

no

[sweet heart]

explain

how

plz

[manic bobcat]

it's quite long to explain, but basically it's trial and error

[sweet heart]

uhhh

[scenic path]

is rng manipulation seeded runs or jsut keepsake and fated persuation?

[quaint hatch]

Restarting lol

[scenic path]

seeded then

[sweet heart]

uhhHHH

seeded?

[quiet gull]

No

[quaint hatch]

Getting good seeds

[sweet heart]

HUH

WHA

[quiet gull]

There are no seeded runs

[zealous galleon]

bro what is seeded 😭

[sweet heart]

what is all this meta stuf fi never knew about

[zealous galleon]

im not into the meta as much as you guys

yeah same

[dusk night]

i think you could cast a certain number of times b4 entering a room to dictate the outcome somewhat or somehow from what i saw b4 1.0 launch

[zealous galleon]

honestly I don't actually want to know

[dusk night]

correct me if im wrong

[sweet heart]

im so confused

someone

explain

h o w

[scenic path]

basically

[manic bobcat]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/753293353176793199

[scenic path]

you start a run

[quaint hatch]

it's quite long to explain, but basically it's trial and error
@manic bobcat

[quiet gull]

As far as I know, you can't manipulate the seed

[manic bobcat]

here is the write up

[scenic path]

and you see items in it/boons/rooms

you give up and start again

knowing those items

and shape the run into what you want

[manic bobcat]

from Museus, he also mods the game so his words are trustworthy

BUT

[scenic path]

oh wow its more complicated than that

[manic bobcat]

there is also non RNG manipulation runs on speedrun.com

[sweet heart]

just give me a walkthrough

on the

manipulation

[quaint hatch]

He literally

[manic bobcat]

you can't do it on the fly

[quaint hatch]

Just posted

A write up

[sweet heart]

so i basically just complete a whole run and when i get to the final boss i giv up

[scenic path]

to do world records and speed runs

it has to be unseeded

so you have to show your character dying first

[quaint hatch]

Just read the write up dude

[scenic path]

to prove it

[manic bobcat]

@scenic path not true

there are two categories

[scenic path]

seeded and unseeded?

[manic bobcat]

seeded runs allow for manipulations

[scenic path]

yeah

[manic bobcat]

unseeded is "natural" play

[quaint hatch]

Also most popular afaik

[manic bobcat]

so you are right, just not complete, sorry for being pedantic, just dont' want to confuse people.

[scenic path]

yeah its fine

now im just trying to find good cast builds

did a couple on artemis

wondering if poseidon cast works just as well

[manic bobcat]

I like poseidon with hera

[gray geyser]

Will hades continue to get updates is 1.0 the last Major update?

[manic bobcat]

only bug fixes and cross save for Switch in the near future, afaik

no more new contents.

[quaint hatch]

Nothing known so far

[gray geyser]

Makes sense because I have no clue of what else they can add they wrapped up the game Very well

[scenic path]

|| romance with artemis sounds nice ||

[gray geyser]

😳

[magic lichen]

72mb update anyone else?

[gray geyser]

Yep

[manic bobcat]

same, prob just bug fixes

[zealous galleon]

I know Supergiant doesn't do sequels but I really hope we get a sequel to this game

[magic lichen]

ok

[zealous galleon]

|| romance with artemis sounds nice ||
@scenic path yes

[narrow hemlock]

shes a maiden goddess

[zealous galleon]

im pretty sure she's lesbian but sure

[gray geyser]

How would a sequel even work

[zealous galleon]

no idea

[gray geyser]

The only thing I think they can add is some story bits or maybe a dlc where you play as someone else

[zealous galleon]

One thing they could add is allowing us to actually visit ||Persephone's farm again|| after that certain story point

[gray geyser]

True

[zealous galleon]

https://i.imgur.com/ootlpa6.png

😒

[strong furnace]

To be fair, I imagine most only die once

[zealous galleon]

see the thing is

I could probably get ||Hades|| to die more than I have if ||I don't also automatically die after he dies||

but alas

I guess Zagreus is finally better at something than ||his dead||

[tepid plover]

I'm missing the charon achievement even tho I have the prophecy

[sweet heart]

OHHH

I GE T NOW

[sand flame]

I just got an update, does anyone know what that was for?

[woven cipher]

I'm trying to save up ambrosia for story stuff, and I have like 20 now. How much do I need to max out affinity for everyone?

[zealous galleon]

no idea but you're going to give it all to artemis right

otherwise you're wasting it 😔

[hardy escarp]

I feel like there should be a mechanic where if you get Theseus to hit the minotaur with his spear they get pissed at each other

and they attack each other for a few seconds and then Theseus is like "Wait, the hellspawn is getting away!"

[zealous galleon]

I feel like it has to work a specific way though, I think if Theseus hit the minotaur he wouldn't get mad but if the minotaur hit theseus, theseus would attack him for a bit

The minotaur wouldn't get angry at Theseus imo

[hardy escarp]

ur probably right

[woven cipher]

There's charm for something close to that

[pseudo onyx]

I don't like 100%ing games, I don't really care about getting all the achievements
@zealous galleon I only care when it's a game I really really really like. So, uh, like so far all of the Supergiant Games have been 100% (tho I think they added some to Bastion and I didn't go back and finish them because I was too rusty)

[zealous galleon]

I don't mind doing achievements but I don't like having to go out of my way to get them

like the riddler trophies in the Batman Arkham games

or even in Hades, having to catch every fish and having to nectar every god to oblivion

doing the punishment stuff (I'm currently trying to do the 32 heat one and I am SUFFERING)

[pseudo onyx]

Im working slowly on heat as the darkness infused weapons are coming up xD I'm just starting 10 on some haha

[zealous galleon]

Good luck lmao

[hardy escarp]

literally same

My highest heat so far has been 8

[zealous galleon]

I don't even understand what's going onhttps://i.imgur.com/qGOqg5J.jpg

[hardy escarp]

that's rough buddy

[zealous galleon]

i did a few runs where I added one extra heat every time and I got up to 8-9 and then just went for 16 and then 32 lmao

[pseudo onyx]

I wish that you would get the rewards of the prior levels

I didn't like having to go back on my failed sword attempts (I just hate that sword)

to 0 heat even tho I prolly needed the darkness tbf

[zealous galleon]

i only play with the shield tbh

i can't really play with the other ones

i thought the shield was way too OP but then I heard people talking about the bow and wow

[pseudo onyx]

I think my favorite is 4th aspect bow, I like zeus shield, and I'm warming up to spear.

[raven meteor]

I used to be only good with spear and sucked at everything else, but i've been forcing myself to git gud at the other weapons lately

[pseudo onyx]

and sometimes with gun and dio attacks I have lots of fun

[zealous galleon]

in a few runs I'm going to start using other weapons

[pseudo onyx]

oh and I like fists and I'd like to be good at 4th aspect ones but I take way too much friggin damage lol

[zealous galleon]

ill try and get used to the bow rn and then probably the spear

[hardy escarp]

I really am not too big of a a shield fan tbh

I say while on a shield run

My fav is Chiron bow if I'm being honest

[raven meteor]

Same. Shield just seems way too slow in my opinion

Too defensive

[lost tree]

ignore bull rush dash and bash everything, just had my fastest 10 heat run with base shield

[raven meteor]

That knockback, tho

[lost tree]

dash attack into attack into dash attack is mad dmg, especially if you got them cornered

[raven meteor]

Guess it's worth trying

The most DPS i've ever found is from spear dash attack, tbh

It hits three times from a hammer, and if you've got the boons for it, it can melt anything

[quaint hatch]

It hits twice

[raven meteor]

I've managed to kill ||dad|| without getting hit once simply because he melted too fast

[lost tree]

shield has a double attack and remove knockback hammer upgrade which gets filthy real easy

[barren ocean]

If you have hammer upgrade Varatha has a dash-strike that hits 3 times

[hardy escarp]

I SWEAR TO GOD

[zealous galleon]

That knockback, tho
@raven meteor there is this one Daedalus perk that makes you attack twice with one click & removes the knockback

[hardy escarp]

Jeez man, this butterfly boss

[tepid plover]

"Fear not, it isn't possible to have played past the point where you can unlock any Achievement. Ones not awarded retroactively should be reasonable to earn (e.g. clearing Tartarus)."

Do you know how hard it is to find charon. And on top of that beat him. They lied to me

[hardy escarp]

NEEDS A NERF

[raven meteor]

I know that feel, lol

[flat vapor]

do you know how hard it is to build up a greater call in a trial, which only ever has two waves

[raven meteor]

If you've got enough dashes/movement speed and dps, you can deal significant damage to it while keeping up with the souls

[hardy escarp]

Seriously man I'm 60 runs in

[tepid plover]

Thats not a lot

[hardy escarp]

I hate this boss so much

[zealous galleon]

oh

of course

I just said I would do a bow run

[raven meteor]

Sometimes it's best to just eat it while doing as much dps as you can to the butterfly

[zealous galleon]

and then of course

https://i.imgur.com/teexFNd.jpg

[safe marlin]

anyone else's game just update

[wise sparrow]

i love the shade emotes

[tepid plover]

Lmfao ke too

Me too

I love it when they go past Nyx and then

[hardy escarp]

Hey guys should I fight charon

[tepid plover]

Yes

[zealous galleon]

why does she hate me https://i.imgur.com/LJlqiF8.jpg

[hardy escarp]

Okay

I'm totally about to die lol

[zealous galleon]

good luck

[tepid plover]

Artemis hates everyone

[zealous galleon]

look the only people I'd admit to being a simp of in this game are zagreus, nyx, artemis and ares

and artemis hates zagreus 😔

[manic bobcat]

and artemis hates zagreus 😔
Not true

[flat vapor]

did someone say ares @narrow hemlock

[quiet gull]

Artemis hates everyone, Zag isnt special

[zealous galleon]

and now she's fangirling over achilles, okay

https://i.imgur.com/guBzDrK.png

i get it artemis i get it okay

[flat vapor]

i am also a fan of achilles

[zealous galleon]

same but jeez

[manic bobcat]

Artemis likes Zag as she thinks he is different from other Olympians. Although this is getting to #h1-story-discussion territory.

[zealous galleon]

man's trying to flirt here

gave her nectar

[thick mural]

Can I just say, I love the game have like ~20 completions. The poison mechanic in the Temple of Styx seems lazy af tho 🙂

[hardy escarp]

I lost 2 death defies

😔

[zealous galleon]

which map are you

if you're in elysium you might be able to replenish them remember

[narrow hemlock]

what about ares

[hardy escarp]

nope too late I passed patroclus earlier

[zealous galleon]

ares is one of my favorite characters

his character is a bit more one-dimensional than other gods like Zeus, Poseidon, Hermes etc. but hey we love a good himbo

also man playing with the bow sucks, I'm going to get myself killed and try another weapon

[brisk trail]

He's a simple god. He just wanna shed blood. Also, beyblades.

[scenic path]

chiron bow best

got my best speed on it

[zealous galleon]

im in the first map too so these enemies suck and can't kill me

i got three death defiances too

[brisk trail]

Chiron the best

[hardy escarp]

oh goodie and no kiss of styx at the well

welp gg

[zealous galleon]

ohhh so the spear allows you to do that annoying spinny thing that ||Hades|| and Theseus like to do

[scenic path]

can always search for . athena boons to replenish 1 death defiance

yes

[zealous galleon]

welp

[scenic path]

i dont trust damage % from the weapons and mirror

i have the 50% extra damage when cast is in enemy

but the numbers tell me otherwise

[zealous galleon]

yeah the %'s have always been a bit off in some boons and mirror effects for me

also throwing your spear and being able to recall it is pretty cool

[thorn tendon]

f.adsfjldsjl

[zealous galleon]

yes that

[thorn tendon]

So I'm trying to find Hades' Lua files in Epic

(Why? Reasons, dammit)

And I cannot find the damn install folder

Why is Epic like this

Is there a way to migrate my damn save to Steam so I don't have to deal with this crap

(I had this same problem while trying to back up my save files for Control)

[hardy escarp]

Athena gave me a DD back

[zealous galleon]

let's hope she doesn't reject me again like that

https://i.imgur.com/AbwDO09.png

[hardy escarp]

dude I might make it this time

[zealous galleon]

wait

she literally

she had

the exact same reaction

https://i.imgur.com/S937kLl.png

[fallen pond]

you sure you spent enough blood on the bow?

[scenic path]

simp for artemis

[zealous galleon]

okay but if I talk to her normally she has a different reaction than before

simp for artemis
@scenic path yes

[quaint hatch]

Simp for bouldy

[flat vapor]

did you Give Up

[zealous galleon]

yeah

[flat vapor]

if you did, your save resets to before you went on that run

[zealous galleon]

wow that's actually pretty handy to know

so I guess all runs are kinda predetermined?

[flat vapor]

yep! it keeps your seed and everything

[zealous galleon]

wow

[scenic path]

not all runs

just the ones you give up on

[flat vapor]

not really, it's just that the seed is kept

[scenic path]

thus becoming a seeded run

[flat vapor]

nectar dialogues are predetermined, but pick-up dialogue is random, so you might see a different one (if it isn't a priority dialogue)

[zealous galleon]

interesting

[thorn tendon]

Okay, finally found it. If someone else needs that info, lmk

[zealous galleon]

I've stopped simping Artemis now

I simp Aphrodite now

at least someone here appreciates the nectar

https://i.imgur.com/ThApXNq.jpg

[dense prism]

real men simp alecto

[zealous galleon]

real men simp meg

[quaint hatch]

Ahem

Bouldy

[dense prism]

real men simp all three

[quaint hatch]

[scenic path]

artemis>all

[manic bobcat]

preach

[quaint hatch]

Bouldy>Artemis>∞

[scenic path]

Vo1di you were team armetis a while ago

[flat vapor]

real men simp zagreus 🤧

[quaint hatch]

I like artemis

But not as much as bouldy

[zealous galleon]

bouldy is thicc

[quaint hatch]

Never as much as bouldy

Don't you sexualize my femme fatale

She's pure

[mossy lily]

👨‍🦰
🔻
👖
🦶
🔥

[quaint hatch]

🔻

👖

[nocturne reef]

I'm here for team bouldy

[zealous galleon]

hmm I think I can get used to the spear, it's slower than the shield but the throwing mechanic is way more enjoyable

[quaint hatch]

Bless your soul jax

Or damn it in hells terms

[zealous galleon]

blast you

[nocturne reef]

haha

[tepid plover]

I've been humming good riddance the whole day at work

I hate this game

[nocturne reef]

aka you love this game

[tepid plover]

Is a love/hate relationship

[quaint hatch]

Hymn of Zagreus

You love me but you hate the game?> Is a love/hate relationship
@tepid plover

[tepid plover]

The god of wine and feast ANEWWWWWWWWW

[quaint hatch]

Exactly

[tepid plover]

I love the game and hate you

[quaint hatch]

It's partly your song

[tepid plover]

Jk

You know ily

[quaint hatch]

Well at least I'm involved

[tepid plover]

Ez requirements

[quaint hatch]

Yeah I'm low maintenance

[dense prism]

i've had lament of orpheus stuck in my head for a solid bit now
game's soundtrack slaps

[tepid plover]

It does

Slaps me hard

In the back

[quaint hatch]

💹

Sry was meant for Wallstreet discord

[stuck sundial]

what can you do in the admin chamber?

[zealous galleon]

the soundtrack slaps so hard but I don't understand how you guys' memory is so good that you memorize these songs so quick

[quaint hatch]

Paperwork

[nocturne reef]

track your runs

stats

[quaint hatch]

Also there are some quests happening

[nocturne reef]

shhhh

[quaint hatch]

Interactable spots basically

[calm laurel]

📈 Stonks

[quaint hatch]

||Thought I was gonna tell you which quest? You fool || is basically what you do in there

[stuck sundial]

😦

[dense prism]

the soundtrack slaps so hard but I don't understand how you guys' memory is so good that you memorize these songs so quick
music memory is about the only good thing i have going for me

[stuck sundial]

so just spent two diamonds for basically nothing untill i also spend nectar on the right characters

[chilly monolith]

Has anyone every seen this ? I need it for an achievement but it's never spawned......Night Spindle.png
Night Spindle

Gain +1 use of your Chthonic Companion's Summon. 40Obols Instant

It's in Well of Charon

Was curious if I need something specific equippred or what

[quaint hatch]

@stuck sundial Unlocking admin is important

It's required for quests

[chilly monolith]

I do have admin unlocked.

[quaint hatch]

You need a ||companion|| for that to appear

[chilly monolith]

Oh ok. How do I get those/

[quaint hatch]

Sry not directed at you

Max relationship with either ||meg, skellyor Dusa|| is the easiest way

[zealous galleon]

if we ever somehow get a Hades sequel they could do a norse mythology one and have a hammer that acts similar to the spear from the first game

[quaint hatch]

Do a quest for them then give them Ambrosia

Not to rain on your parade but we won't

[zealous galleon]

oh yeah we definitely won't but I just think this spear mechanic would be pretty cool as a hammer

[tepid plover]

The seeeeeeed of dionysus grewwwwwwwwww

[quaint hatch]

from his remaaaains

[tepid plover]

[quaint hatch]

Thanks of reminding me to like it on spotify

[zealous galleon]

okay

https://i.imgur.com/sqLo3zk.png

did she just "I have a girlfriend" me

[quaint hatch]

Probably not

[zealous galleon]

we're still getting updates I think but I'm not sure about actual new content

more like bug fixes

[quaint hatch]

Patches

[zealous galleon]

yeah

[quaint hatch]

In greek canon artemis is a lesbian

[zealous galleon]

in Hades she's more bi

so like

I still have a chance

[quaint hatch]

Love triangles always work out well

[zealous galleon]

there is no love triangle

later on in greek myth ||her gf gets turned into a bear and dies||

so

just gotta wait it out I guess

[quaint hatch]

...

[zealous galleon]

😌

[hardy escarp]

For the hermes quest do you have to ||Beat Charon twice in two runs|| or just beat him twice without dying?

[quaint hatch]

Hermes quest?

Achievement?

[zealous galleon]

oh

[deft cedar]

tfw rnjesus blesses you but you still mess it up

[zealous galleon]

man the gloves suck so much

[quaint hatch]

Well maybe it's just y
o
u

[zealous galleon]

true

[quaint hatch]

What's your problem with them?

[hardy escarp]

It's just a fate scroll I think

[zealous galleon]

the range on them is awful and they don't even do a lot of damage

[hardy escarp]

but he wants me to beat ||Charon|| twice in a rwo but I'm not sure what that means exactly

[quaint hatch]

Try demeter aspect with Demeter fist zeus attack and demeter or
artemis special, maybe kinetic launcher

[deft cedar]

Zeus chain lightning on attack is so good

[hardy escarp]

the point of it is its mobility

[quaint hatch]

Or aphro special also possible
Then you can play smoldering with zeus aid too

[deft cedar]

Support fire too for fists

[zealous galleon]

yeah but like

[deft cedar]

Amp that dps up

[hardy escarp]

its mobility is stupid good and the right boons can massively increase damage

[zealous galleon]

if I have to get the gods to boon me up, is that weapon actually still good

[hardy escarp]

yes

[quaint hatch]

Well support fire is just free damage

[hardy escarp]

support fire is the best with fists and gun

[quaint hatch]

No weapon is bad

Support fire is best

[hardy escarp]

but its pretty good just in general

[zealous galleon]

like I've been playing with the shield for so long and the shield is literally the best weapon so far

like no cap

[deft cedar]

There is no best just best for you

[quaint hatch]

The hades mantra

[zealous galleon]

the shield does more damage than half the other weapons and it's faster than most too

[hardy escarp]

well there is some stuff that is op

[stuck sundial]

what do you think are the best aspects?

[quaint hatch]

Eris

No discussion

[hardy escarp]

cough chiron cough

[zealous galleon]

chiron definitely

[dense prism]

chaos imo

[hardy escarp]

Chiron and Gilgamesh

Chaos is a riot too

[dense prism]

i also much like talos but thats cuz im dumb so

[quaint hatch]

I identify as chaos shield

Chiron and chaos need to be maxed

Eris is probably objectively the best
Well as objective as you can be in hades

Since it's a global 75% damage budf

Global means EVERYTHING

[dense prism]

yeah eris is alot of fun

[quaint hatch]

Attack? Buffed Cast? Buffed Call? Buffed Hangover ticks ? Buffed

[zealous galleon]

based

[quaint hatch]

Support fire arrows?

Guess what

[dense prism]

theres a hammer upgrade for shield that makes you hit twice consecutively, that was fun

[tepid plover]

I identify as chaos shield
Lmfao same

[west jacinth]

I don't suppose the folks who update the gamepedia Hades wiki also lurks around here, do they? I have this itch to update things...

[tepid plover]

They have to be

Idk

[quaint hatch]

I feel like a broken record lol

[west jacinth]

Gotcha - Might be how it's also set up as well... I know that with Gamepedia, the wiki staff will do the initial setup but then just kinda... leave it?

[hardy escarp]

AYYY LIGHTNING ROD

Oh right that one is controversial lol

[safe marlin]

anyone know what this 72MB update was on steam?

[flat vapor]

the gamepedia wiki is public

if you want to change something, go ahead

there are some dedicated wiki editors here yes, but it’s open to anyone really

[shut wolf]

whats your average clear times ? im always getting 14-15mins .. i want to do some 11-12s

[hardy escarp]

bro what

[safe marlin]

14-18 IGT

[narrow hemlock]

generally all wikis are community run.

its an open thing because thats within the spirit of what a wiki is, an open-sourced encyclopedia about specific things that the fans contribute to. if you wanna edit, just go ahead and do it (recommended to set up an account if you're going to contribute regularly), or if you feel uncomfortable with it you can ask for tips or ask someone to put in an edit for you. i have a tab up to lurk activity most of the time

[topaz lake]

hades dont save, me mad help please

[west jacinth]

That's the plan; I already have a few things on my list that bugs me.

[amber cloak]

Something kinda cool happening rn is an anime girl playing Hades with 20,000 viewers

Dunno if this should go in Hades Discussion or general since it's still about Hades

[tepid plover]

An anime girl playing hades

Ok

Whats the cool thing?

[dense prism]

lol

[hardy escarp]

I guess the 20k viewers?

[amber cloak]

Just the fact that it's getting 20,000 viewers, cool to see the game with that many people watching it

[tepid plover]

Oh

Thags is pretty cool yes ok

[dense prism]

the "playing hades" part is the cool part obv

[tepid plover]

Lmao

[hardy escarp]

I do appreciate any publicity for this game... no indie game I've ever played has gotten the recognition it deserves

well maybe among us

[dense prism]

it is always nice to see a relatively niche indie game get a bunch of recognition

[hardy escarp]

agreed

[lunar cypress]

Urgh...||infernal gates with Arthur|| suck

[tepid plover]

Whos this streamer again?

I checked and no one has 20k viewers

[amber cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZOAG6nyIQo

Pretty entertaining to see someone who's playing for the first time

[tepid plover]

I forget youtube live is a thing

[amber cloak]

Yeah, vtubers are the only successful thing on youtube live

But that discussion would go in general

[tepid plover]

Yes I need you to explain what is a vtuber

[dense prism]

virtual tuber i assume

idk im dum

[amber cloak]

Basically, they're huge rn, you'll get the idea if you watch the stream

[dense prism]

someone with a virtual avatar ig?

[amber cloak]

Yup

[tepid plover]

Ok

[dense prism]

seems kinda wacky to be tbh

[tepid plover]

Same

Not a fan of that

But to each their own

[dense prism]

i like seeing the despair on ppl's faces when they die to peon enemies lul

[tepid plover]

Yeah good thing about cameras is the reactions

Virtual avatars dont catch reactions quite well

[dense prism]

still a cool concept tho so

[tepid plover]

Meh

[dense prism]

yeah to each their own

[amber cloak]

Tbh, the thing I enjoy the most about a streamer is how entertaining they are. The biggest girl streamers on twitch are basically the hottest ones. I don't really care for the avatar, but at least you have to actually HAVE to have a personality instead of just a big pair of tits

[tepid plover]

Lol

[dense prism]

lul

[tepid plover]

I dont care if you have a camera or dont, but I find avatars weird, like I rather watch someone without a camera, than with an avatar

Wasn't sneaky playing hades

And a lot of lol streamers

Sneaky is quite big

[dense prism]

idk about streamers much, but ik the game got alot of attention from some big name youtubers

[tepid plover]

Nice

I did see sneaky playing a lot between queues

Dont know if sponsored

But I doubt it

Cause it wasnt an official stream

Just between queues

[ruby wadi]

Hey guys, just joined this discord, been playing the game all week and having a ton of fun

[tepid plover]

Welcome

[ruby wadi]

Think the games blown up pretty good at least on steam

[tepid plover]

It deserves it

[manic bobcat]

I did check out some vtubers vid. It's ok. Although I almost never watch stream, except for tournament stuff so to each their own.

[tepid plover]

Game is amazing

[patent mica]

Hey I'm new and obssessed too haha, I'm struggling with unlocking a hidden aspect 😭

[ruby wadi]

Absolutely deserves it

I still haven't even beat the game with all the weapons yet

[dense prism]

neither have i

[tepid plover]

I have, still amazing

[vestal reef]

skelly best boi

[tepid plover]

No

[ruby wadi]

I got bow, spear, and rail, trying out the shield rn and still haven't managed to win with sword or fists for whatever reason

[tepid plover]

is

[vestal reef]

no

[patent mica]

Idk what im doing wrong with unlocking the rail's hidden aspect 😩

[tepid plover]

Do you have ||gy||?

[patent mica]

Yesss

[manic bobcat]

Did you check the #h1-story-discussion pin?

Just making sure.

[tepid plover]

If you follow the steps, it should unlock, unless you have queued dialogues

[patent mica]

Lemme look real quick

[flat vapor]

it's entirely possible you're getting screwed by dialogue rng

[manic bobcat]

Also that

[patent mica]

Ah so it's dialogue rng then

[remote forge]

If you have ||GY|| then you just need to put 5 blood into non-Zagreus aspects.

Then it's dialogue RNG with ||Zeus||

While carrying the Rail (I believe)

[patent mica]

Yeah it's taking forever i've done so many zeus centric runs im getting bored of him

[remote forge]

Are you sure you've put 5 blood into non-Zag Rail aspects?

I thought I had with bow for a while but hadn't

[tepid plover]

You dont need to carry the rail

[zealous galleon]

The game actually barely has any attention on YouTube

Idk about Twitch but I actually got introduced to this game through a stream

[remote forge]

I suspect it helps. With the other hidden aspects the granters have generally acknowledged the weapon in their dialogue

Like "oh I see you're carrying so and so"

[patent mica]

Yeah i think i might have messed that up, bcs i thought i did as well, i didnt know it had tonbe non zag as well

[tepid plover]

When they notice it, they dont give you the phrase

They give you way after

[patent mica]

The thing is i cant rmb if zeus has commented on the rail before

[dense prism]

The game actually barely has any attention on YouTube
penguinz0 and jim sterling both have p big followings on yt and they did vids on it, but probs not as much as twitch tbf

[tepid plover]

So when they give you phrase you dont have to carry it

[manic bobcat]

The game actually barely has any attention on YouTube
Like streaming wise?

[zealous galleon]

Like, at all

[manic bobcat]

I have seen a decent amount of Hades vid

[zealous galleon]

Idk who penguinz0 is but I saw the Sterling video

[manic bobcat]

Even an honest trailer

[zealous galleon]

IGN did a 5 minute video and the honest trailer yeah but that's it

[dense prism]

penguinz0 = moistcr1tikal

[tepid plover]

Jawless paul has a lot of views

[zealous galleon]

I have no idea who that is either lmao

[dense prism]

afaik he has a p deece following on twitch

[manic bobcat]

Also youtube feed is heavily influenced by your watch history

I'm a big fan of roguelites so no surprise Hades showed up

[dense prism]

true

[vestal reef]

just because you haven't seen hades content doesn't mean there isn't any

[patent mica]

When it comes to unlocking hidden aspects

[zealous galleon]

I just searched Hades game

[tepid plover]

There are a lot of factors messing with dialogues

[manic bobcat]

No

[zealous galleon]

My feed recommendations doesn't matter

[remote forge]

@patent mica story based messages do to some extent take priority over the rest of the dialogue pools

[manic bobcat]

Also mentioning final boss is spoiler here

[remote forge]

Yeah, see the title

[manic bobcat]

So you might want to mask that

[patent mica]

Oh okay sorry

[remote forge]

||This is #redacted-discussion.||

[patent mica]

I deleted bcs idk how to mask

Is there a better place to ask?

[flat vapor]

||spoiler||

[tepid plover]

#h1-story-discussion

[west jacinth]

JackSepticEye played it for a bit on Twitch a few days back

[tepid plover]

Yeha i saw jack

[patent mica]

Ah alright thanksss

[manic bobcat]

tbh Hades blew up more than I thought

[tepid plover]

Not really

[manic bobcat]

I found quite few contents for SGG prior games

[tepid plover]

Isnt as popular as I thought Itd be

Game deserves more attention

[remote forge]

Hades hasn't blown up because we're all too embarrassed to admit how much it's ruining our WFH productivity

[manic bobcat]

True

xD

[zealous galleon]

I didn't really know SGG before Hades

[remote forge]

"Do you have that TPS report?"

"No but I beat Heat 20!"

"What?"

[dense prism]

cant ruin working from home if you dont work from home 🧠

[manic bobcat]

I played during my lunch break back in the summer

[zealous galleon]

I had heard of Bastion before but that's it

[manic bobcat]

And after that

[west jacinth]

Hades hasn't blown up because we're all too embarrassed to admit how much it's ruining our WFH productivity
@remote forge, the trick is to get unemployed RIGHT when it gets released...

[manic bobcat]

And the rest of the day

[west jacinth]

cough >_>

[woven cipher]

Hmm, Achilles quest won't appear for me... I have:
||- Done Sisyphus, Meg, Nyx, Orpheus quests (Heart unlocked, companion obtained, items bought etc)

• Exhausted dialog with him and nyx
• Gave 6 nectars each to him and patroclus (until heart is locked)||

What am I missing?

[wild helm]

I think it's bound to get more attention when it gets nominated for a bunch at the VGAs

[tepid plover]

@woven cipher are they giving you recycled lines?

Like pat?

[woven cipher]

achilles and nyx definitely give recycled lines, patroclus... I'm not sure. He stopped saying anything of note, but I guess the ! still appears?

[tepid plover]

You need the ||risk it all|| line from ||pat||

As long as the ! Is showing, isnt recycled

[woven cipher]

ahhh the ||risk it all is from patroclus||, not from ||achilles||? I haven't gotten that, no

I guess I'll go to his room more often

if you're at full death defiance and not running attack build it feels wasted

[tepid plover]

Is from both

You need both ready

[woven cipher]

alright, it'll come naturally I guess

I can't do a suicide run since he's basically at the end of the run

[tepid plover]

Pretty much

[woven cipher]

thank you dio, you're as chilled as the in game god

[tepid plover]

[dense prism]

dio is ||||

[tepid plover]

God dammit

I fell for it again

[manic bobcat]

Kono dio da

[dense prism]

[narrow hemlock]

Isnt as popular as I thought Itd be
@tepid plover thats a genuinely strange thing to say considering the hadesgame tag on twitter is literally constantly active and updating every few moments/minutes, when prior to launch it would go hours between posts. dunno where you're looking but the game has more popularity at current than any of supergiant's titles at any point of their life

[tepid plover]

I'm not saying is dead

I'm saying I expected it go to even bigger

[narrow hemlock]

its already their biggest game

i dont know what you expect from an indie studio with like 20 employees

[woven cipher]

transistor was hard to beat though

that game was like, revolutionary

[tepid plover]

Oh I'm not blaming it on them

[narrow hemlock]

nor did i imply you are

[tepid plover]

They are doing amazing

[narrow hemlock]

im just saying your stance of 'not as popular as i thought' is inherently weird

[dense prism]

[narrow hemlock]

all things considered

[zealous galleon]

Just checked out the hadesgame tag on twitter

https://twitter.com/snacobie/status/1317173800627277826?s=19

snacob (@snacobie)

Aphrodite and Dionysus laugh at you asmr

#HadesGame #Aphrodite #Dionysus

Likes

117

Twitter

[tepid plover]

I completely expected to blow like among us did, is what I'm referring

[dense prism]

ugh how are all the gods so hot

[narrow hemlock]

nah those are two diff genres appealing to diff people. also among us has the multiplayer capability which adds life to it, hades is strictly single player

[zealous galleon]

They're all so horny and like I don't mind

[manic bobcat]

Among Us is weird, the game was p dead until some weird dark magic resurrection

[zealous galleon]

A few twitch streamers started streaming it

[dense prism]

that dark magic was called loneliness

[manic bobcat]

2018 to early 2020 was like nothing, nada

[dense prism]

and isolation

[manic bobcat]

2020 is weird

[tepid plover]

[dense prism]

understatement of the year

[flat vapor]

that dark magic is called twitch streaming

[dense prism]

that too

[narrow hemlock]

may as well be dark magic

[ruby wadi]

I've never seen a game come back from the dead like among us that's for sure

[manic bobcat]

Yeah but why among us specifically

[ruby wadi]

It's just dumb fun with a group of people

A fad

[tepid plover]

Fall guys was doing good, but the price tag didn't help

[narrow hemlock]

fun quirkly game with cartoony beans you can play with friends and break friendships over, those are popular if they catch on

[dense prism]

i havent even played among us yet lol

i have the game just

[ruby wadi]

I've only played a few games of it

It's fun with friends but meh

[dense prism]

too invested in hades ig

[manic bobcat]

Among Us is terrible unless with friends on voice

[ruby wadi]

Hades is wayyyyyyyy better but I like roguelikes

[manic bobcat]

But since everyone is home

...

[narrow hemlock]

i mean. theyre two entirely different genres. you cant really compare them on an even level lol

[ruby wadi]

@narrow hemlock of course not you're right

[dense prism]

i got it like a week ago and ive already poured 30hrs into it
which is alot for me, considering i have full time work

[manic bobcat]

Literally same

I got it early March

Working full time

[ruby wadi]

Yeah I've put a lot into it. But I'm also on vacation

[manic bobcat]

Clock in 48 hours first week

[dense prism]

every spare moment is hadesHADESHADES for me lol

[ruby wadi]

That's why I love roguelikes

Dump 30minutes to an hour of intense action and then put it down or keep going til you drop

[narrow hemlock]

hades pulled me out of a bit of a depression slump when i got it and i immediately threw in so many hours when i hadnt had the motivation prior to play anything so yeah maybe it is near and dear to me and maybe i am sentimental

[ruby wadi]

This game is definitely easier than most roguelikes I've played

[tepid plover]

I just love the different run each time genre

[narrow hemlock]

its more generally accessible, which i like a lot

[manic bobcat]

Yeah. I got to know this community, and then took part in a speedrun tournament where I got dumptered

[tepid plover]

Thats why I love approval process

[manic bobcat]

Still, enjoyed my stay

[narrow hemlock]

ah fox your 5sack

[manic bobcat]

You mean my Hazard Bomb Eris?

[narrow hemlock]

i was genuinely rooting for your comeback but alas lmao

[manic bobcat]

Ty love, I appreciate it.

Was great fun though

Tldr Hades good

[narrow hemlock]

i wouldnt hang around for just any speedrunners 🤧

[manic bobcat]

😊

[fringe garnet]

anyone try athena attack on the adamant rail?

cant decide if it would be dope

or

lame

[quiet gull]

It's fine, I guess, but there are much better boons for it

[scenic path]

like zeus attack

ares

demeter with some synergy boons

[fringe garnet]

is hermes programmed to come up more often as an alternate choice vs. duo boons, shops, and hammers than anything else? i feel like so many times i only see him when it's a tough choice 😦

[sand flame]

Petition to change Flame Wheel Release to Great Shield Release

[tepid plover]

Petition to make flame wheels do a dingding from a bike instead of meow

[fringe garnet]

similarly, i feel like chaos gates disproportionately show up vs duo boons, shops, hermes

ugh

i know they dont

but it feels real

[sand flame]

Chaos gates are often better than those tho

[fringe garnet]

yeah - but it's tough if i'm hunting for a specific build and two boons i need are in one room

[sharp fossil]

Petition to change Flame Wheel Release to Great Shield Release
@sand flame lol this has been brought up before

just have a release item for every enemy

why not

[fringe garnet]

like i'd rather give up Gemstones/Darkness/Nectar for chaos than a duo boon, lol

[sharp fossil]

buy them all and walk through a bunch of empty rooms

[tepid plover]

Yeah ill always take chaos except trial room

[worn umbra]

are heroic chaos boons a thing

[fringe garnet]

no

😦

[tepid plover]

Just legendary

[dusty path]

Wow this is hard

Straight up making my hands tired

[tepid plover]

[ruby wadi]

You'll get the hang of it. Definitely wrecking my carpal tunnel but it's too addicting to put down

[manic bobcat]

after almost 4 years of service

my xbox one controller now has some drifting going on

im sad now

[tepid plover]

anyone knows what the 72mbs was for?

[viral bane]

Any way to let the game run while alt tabbed? I wish I could just tab out during ||the death animation post dad|| and let it play in the background

[rich grotto]

if there's a feedback/suggestion thing still open, i'd sign for pressing a button to skip ||the post dad animation||, yeah.

[thorn tendon]

continue HADESing, or go back to Guild Wars 1

(I know this sub's answer lol)

[icy granite]

Hi guys, I would like to get some help concerning a specific Fate that seems locked for me in the post game. Where can I ask my question without breaking the Discord rules ?

[pseudo onyx]

Well jeezus. I got the at least epic boons, plus a "increase rarity of next", and I STILL didn't get Chaos's legendary one ugh

this chance must be so low

[arctic onyx]

Is there anywhere I can see a list of perks that come from benefits package?

[novel wasp]

@tepid plover petition to make flamewheels having bass boosted thomas the train theme

[grim turret]

I am surprised there's not a pact condition for getting rid of contractor upgrades or suppressing the aspect upgrades

[lucid stratus]

ive only seen chaos legendary once and thats out of 100 runs or so

[vivid ember]

Does anyone know if there's a character detail guide? Example (this is a pdf from Ubisoft for Far Cry New Dawn): https://ubistatic2-a.akamaihd.net/fcnd/FCND_Cosplay-Guide_FULL_V1-1.pdf

I know there is the art on the website but some details are obscured by other things added in.

[pseudo onyx]

ive only seen chaos legendary once and thats out of 100 runs or so
@lucid stratus this is silly, im running egg too

Literally just trying to finish that prophecy

[lucid stratus]

yeah i take chaos pretty frequently too

and used to use egg a lot

now im lazy and just use pom 24/7

[fringe garnet]

you using the store to force chaos gates?

[lucid stratus]

i do if i have the cash

which is usually

[tepid plover]

lmfao fade

[abstract compass]

i just killed the hydra for the first time

first run of the day

[tepid plover]

[calm vapor]

Lol the hydra dies in a blink of an eye....its actually rather satisfying to see how fast I can smoke that boss

[abstract compass]

it was an accomplishment for me

fun though

[calm vapor]

Yes its a fun boss to slay for sure

[tepid plover]

easiest boss imo

[vivid ember]

Only trouble I ever have with it is on EM2 on the second wave of heads just bc I'm like "stahp. I'll get to you later!" at the main head lol

[fringe garnet]

omg just got ares' cast with the fourth shield aspect

it's

it's so beautiful

oh my god

i literally let out a non-voluntary vocal "ooooh"

[flat vapor]

one of the best flares out of the 8 tbh

aphro flare is also very pretty

[ruby wadi]

The first three bosses are a joke to me no matter what. Hades messes me up though pretty often

[thin maple]

I think the boss up in Elysium poses a threat early on.

Or bosses.

[fringe garnet]

on EM3

for me they do

[plucky rampart]

I got a win pretty early on with Ares casts and seeking and doubling boons.

[wicked iron]

On high heat I feel like the duo olympian rooms are tougher than the bosses. Had one in tartarus and lost 3 lifes at the very beginning 😄

[plucky rampart]

It was over before I knew it.

All I saw was swirling red... Everywhere.

[thin maple]

Nice job, I usually have trouble running Ares.

The one boon where it buffs all your damage output is like the only one I usually like to go for, but most other boons don't synergize with my kits too much.

[plucky rampart]

It's not worth leaning into unless you get it early on. It takes a lot to make Ares cast powerful for boss fights.

[fringe garnet]

IMO, the trick with Ares is like the trick with Zeus: you need a lot of him.

[wicked iron]

When i started I really liked Ares, but now I always go for Dionysus + Demeter & Zeus

Festive Fog seems to be the safest way

[fringe garnet]

If Ares is a one-off, I almost never want him. But his cast + 2-3 of his boons that make his cast better? Plus a duo boon that makes the cast even better? Incredible.

[plucky rampart]

Dionysus is my fav. Because I'm a certified Chiron bow expert.

[thin maple]

If Dionysus only had one boon being Festive Fog, I wouldn't mind one bit.

That's like one of the best casts in the game. Goes good with any kit.

[ocean aspen]

Demeter's cast boon is also great.

[fringe garnet]

it gets a lotta hate but i love it

esp with chill, esp. with 10 chill = explosion, esp. with artemis

[ocean aspen]

yeah!

But I cannot use it well with the duo of Demeter and Aphrodite

[obtuse zephyr]

Demeter's boon is definitely cool but needs time to get online

That wait time is killer

[fringe garnet]

Same with what I was talking about though re: Ares' cast

[obtuse zephyr]

I've never been impressed with Ares cast

Even with upgrades

Maybe I haven't had the right build yet

[deep geyser]

Yeah Ares is a bit balls when it comes to casts imo

[ocean aspen]

Compared with Ares'cast,Demeter's is more comfortable to use even though you haven't find the duo

[sweet basin]

Yo what's Touch of Styx and how do I happen upon it?

[ocean aspen]

Ares'cast ....The cast blades always end in somewhere I can not reach...such as the lava

[flat vapor]

use stubborn defiance

[sweet basin]

Thank you

[flat vapor]

👍

[obtuse zephyr]

Does Artemis have a tracking boon for Ares cast?

[fringe garnet]

she sure does

it also lasts longer

moves faster

[thorn tendon]

guhghsdlj I really really REALLY hate the poison mechanic in Styx

it's not fun even, it's just irritating

"Oh jeez I have to go find teh fountain, which is very difficult amid the visual noise, while being continally shot at by EVERYTHING"

I still can't escape with the Spear incidentially, no matter which aspect :\

[obtuse zephyr]

Yeah it doesn't play well if you don't have a super blitz build

[north pier]

gotta love getting the ridiculous spear quick attack build

[thorn tendon]

so basically just go for quick attack on Zagreus Aspect?

[surreal pond]

man whats the update that just happened

not listed on any patch note things

[thorn tendon]

(ALSO! For those on Epic! I FIGURED OUT HOW TO SEE YOUR ACHIVEMENTS! while in game, press Shift + F3, it'll bringt up a side panel, hit the lower of the two thingerdoops)

[north pier]

they literally list the patch notes in game

[thorn tendon]

(The checkmark one. I know that's not well described, but it's there)

[surreal pond]

yea and the last one was 4 days ago

[obtuse zephyr]

Yeah whatchu talking about?

[surreal pond]

but i just got a 70mb update

[barren ocean]

Probably a bug fix

[north pier]

probably just too small a change to comment on

[obtuse zephyr]

Might have been a hot fix for bugs. They put one out for textures

[granite ether]

probably tech/bug fixes

[north pier]

they'll include it in the next set of patch notes

[surreal pond]

thanks

[wicked iron]

Shouldn't the 3rd skelly statue be an achievement? And getting all favors/bonds forged

[flat vapor]

they said that they didn't want to lock achievements beyond too high of a difficulty

[wicked iron]

That's what they should be for. 😦

[granite ether]

what Greg answered in regards to achievements in a Q+ A
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/746421343612043365

[narrow hemlock]

oh wait theres a steam reply about this

hang on

[wicked iron]

Seems like a strange stance, because if there was no difficulty, it wouldn't really be an achievement.

[granite ether]

[wicked iron]

It should incentivize players to go out of their comfort zoen and tackle higher difficulty.

[narrow hemlock]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2841165820084105169/#c2841165820084191302

"Yes, we felt the 32-heat Skelly prize was its own reward. 32-heat clears are beyond the ability of many players, and in general we're not big on Achievements that are extraordinarily difficult even for skillful, invested players. This is just part of our design philosophy when it comes to Achievements and of course it's OK to disagree with it, I'm just explaining the reason for the omission.

As a more extreme example, we could have had "Clear the game on 50 Heat with each weapon", something that is theoretically possible; but almost no one would be able to do that, and if you're someone who enjoys earning Achievements, what might happen is you would repeatedly try to get that Achievement then eventually quit the game in frustration. We would much rather you leave this game happy than angry. The thing about Achievements is they can create a certain pressure to play a game a certain way, and we don't want our Achievement design to have an oversized influence on players' experience. The game is already filled with systems that create incentives to push yourself a bit if you want to."

[granite ether]

I personally like the stance Supergiant has taken

32 heat is incredibly difficult and most people won't even attempt it

let alone complete a run of it

[wicked iron]

Why must every achievement be atainable by every single player? It's also there to show that some have achievement something others didn't.

[narrow hemlock]

"The thing about Achievements is they can create a certain pressure to play a game a certain way, and we don't want our Achievement design to have an oversized influence on players' experience."

that part is important

[wicked iron]

It's great to check steam achievements and see how many % have the hardest achievements. What's the purpose of everyone having all of them.

The achievements right now for example force you to play the game 50 times after finishing it, which seems far worse.

[narrow hemlock]

well bear in mind that supergiant absolutely does have stats on weapon usage, boon usage, and undoubtedly the heat levels players go to. if the majority of players were not even going over, for argument's sake, 10 heat, then they may not have felt comfortable with having an achievement that would be well out of the reach for most of the playerbase

[wicked iron]

That's what I mean, if every achievement can be attained by every single players, they ar enot really "achievements". Difficulty is tied to the word achievement.

There have to be obstacles to overcome.

[narrow hemlock]

I think perhaps you might just accept that Supergiant's stance on difficulty and achievements don't align with your own

they do like to make their games fairly accessible overall to most players

[granite ether]

God mode exists for that reason

[wicked iron]

Well achievements have no effect on the game itself. No content is locked behind it. The achievements aren't even in the game, they are in steam directly.

[narrow hemlock]

its not like you aren't rewarded for the 32 heat run. you just aren't given a shiny steam achievement for it.

[wicked iron]

Yes, and I feel like it's an oversight. It's their game of course, they can do whatever they want, I just feel it lacks something as is.

[shell ice]

i guess it just depends what your philosophy with steam achievements is

[narrow hemlock]

different people have different ideas of what counts as an achievement ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tepid plover]

Well achievements have no effect on the game itself. No content is locked behind it. The achievements aren't even in the game, they are in steam directly.
yes but some people are really proud of their 100% achievements, if you put achievements behind a extremely difficult wall, it just sucks for a lot of people

[shell ice]

are achievements just progress markers? a way to show significant accomplishment? a way to challenge a player to play a specific way?

[tepid plover]

not everyone enjoys play at 32/50 heat

[shell ice]

different companies design achievements with different philosophies

[wicked iron]

Personally for example I have been done with the game around 30 ingame hours ago, but as a completionist I am forced to just play to get certain conversations, which takes a very long time, is no fun, and not really an achievement as it is tied to no difficulty.

[flat vapor]

i mean, they're both symbolical bragging rights, i don't see much of a difference if it's in-game or out-of-game bragging rights

[shell ice]

paradox grand strategy games, for example, are very very open-ended; thjey're essentially historical-ish sandboxes

[tepid plover]

i mean, they're both symbolical bragging rights, i don't see much of a difference if it's in-game or out-of-game bragging rights
this^ pretty much

[shell ice]

but they come with achievements of varying difficulties to provide concrete goals to players who want them

i dont think hades needs that

since hades already has in-game progress trackers

[north pier]

achievements are supposed to be difficult, that's... kinda the whole point

like look at me i achieved this thing

[narrow hemlock]

not necessarily

[north pier]

if they were all easy then what's the point

[narrow hemlock]

thats an arbitrary ruling people just unanimously decided must be fact

[shell ice]

i mean, considering many of the achievements only have like ~1% completion rate

(yeah the game is newly released/still making lots of sales so this stat is a bit misleading, but i dont expect it to jump to 10% or whatever)

[wicked iron]

Because they are very time intensive.

Not because they are difficult./

[shell ice]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked iron]

You finish the entire game and have seen essentially all content way before you complete a lot of the last achievements.

[north pier]

so like, what, you want everyone to get every achievement regardless of how long they play? cmon, they're achievements, not a box of donuts

like they're just extra little bits

if you're an achievement hunter then you should enjoy pursuing difficult achievements

if you're not, then who cares if cheevos have 1% success

[wicked iron]

I'd much rather have achievements tied to difficulty than pure grind of "beat the game 75 times".

[north pier]

literally who

[shell ice]

are there any achievements like the latter?

the clsoest thing i could see is

harsh conditions i guess?

although if you WANTED you coudl do taht in 1 run lmao

(if you were good enough)

[flat vapor]

[shell ice]

and i guess reaching the epilogue

[wicked iron]

Well at least you need to play around 80-100 runs before you have exhausted normaldialogue with certain characters to get their favor.

[north pier]

achievements aren't some thing that belong to everyone, they're meant to be an exclusive thing for people that achieved the thing. they aren't even part of the game lol

[granite ether]

I mean it's "only" 23 heat Namington

[narrow hemlock]

again i must point out that different people have different ideals of what counts as an achievement. i dont agree with your stances, for instance. having difficult achievements just for the sake of having difficult achievements because there is this ideal that most achievements should be difficult i would say is actually harmful thinking. achievements should be fun and meaningful and not just shoehorned in for the sake of difficulty.

[shell ice]

eh maybe, sometimes dialogue does get gridlocked (nyx tends to be a common chokepoint)

so i guess i can see it

[wicked iron]

It's part of the definition. If everyone can just have it, it's not an achievement. It's fine to haver the majroity to be extremely easy, but you need some hard ones to motivate more extreme players too

[north pier]

that's so dumb, i'm sorry but achievements are supposed to be difficult and denote someones dedication to a game. whether an achievement is good or not is only important to people who care about achievements

[granite ether]

anyone remember a time when believe it or not achievements weren't a thing. It's a shock I know

[north pier]

an achievement denotes that you achieved the prerequisites of an achievement, they mean literally nothing else

[wicked iron]

Yes Aggy, and we evolved from that.

[shell ice]

i feel like the devs really wanted the "guarantee the player is ALWAYS progressing (through the game/story/etc)" angle to shine through; thats why a fully-upgraded mirror and aspect is so much stronger than unupgraded, for instance, and why fallback mechanisms like god mode exist

and sometimes perhaps they did that to a fault

[sand stump]

Maybe the devs want to use achievements to enhance the gameplay experience, and that is how they want to do it

[shell ice]

like wanting every achievement to kind of "naturally" fall into place

i dont really mind personally but i've never been that invested in achievements, i'd be interested in hearing the opinions from people who generally try and 100% achievements in their games

[narrow hemlock]

just gonna copy/paste this bit i just told a friend 🤷‍♂️

"i just inherently disagree with the ideal that achievements HAVE to be difficult or else theres "no point"
[22:23]
at the same time i dont like games in where you are given an achievement for every little thing, but thats like. the opposite side of the spectrum i guess
[22:24]
the middle ground is optimal
[22:24]
you work for some achievements but they never feel unfairly out of reach if you work at it"

[wicked iron]

With games I like I try to go for 100% unless it's really annoying ones like spend 200 hours fishing or finish the game with no replayability 20x.

[north pier]

ok well congrats, you totally missed the point of achievements

[narrow hemlock]

no

[north pier]

ok what do you think achievements should do

[narrow hemlock]

who said achievements need to be difficult? you?

thats up to the player to decide

[wicked iron]

If it's not difficult it's not an achievement.

[granite ether]

difficulty is purely subjective

[narrow hemlock]

there is no overhead law that dictates this, just people on the internet with opinions. yours is that they should inherently be difficult, mine is that i think they should be fairly attainable through work

[north pier]

ok google the definition of achievement and let me know if waking up in the morning should be considered an achievement

[sand stump]

For certain player, beating the grunting man 2 time in a row is dificult enough

[north pier]

fairly attainable through work

that's literally what difficult means

[wicked iron]

It gets thrown around nowadays because it makes people feel good to feel like they accomplished something even if it's meaningless like "start the game" "looked at the tutorial", but the idea of achievements is to overcome an obstacle.

[narrow hemlock]

as aggy said, difficulty is subjective. if you're going to deflect because people disagree with you, i dont know what to tell you

[lucid stratus]

80-100 runs doesnt even sound like enough to get good enough at the game to do high heat runs

best i can do at that point is 20 heat

so sounds like the game still has a lot to give you, if you're enjoying it

[north pier]

duh, of course difficulty is subjective, but at some point you have to realize nobody is a computer and that most people behave rather similarly and that difficult achievements are rather easy to define

so for instance, making something difficult but attainable is what an achievement is

so stop this weird thing about how achievements are supposed to be attained based on your breathing with the game window open

[midnight bay]

I mean, different people learn at different speeds. A skill level that might take 1 player 100 runs to achieve might take another only 20 or so

[lucid stratus]

yeah

[north pier]

yeah of course

[lucid stratus]

im sure some people do 80-100 runs and can do max heat

i would assume that is not average

[north pier]

so if someone is better at the game and they achieve something that means they achieve it faster, that is literally all that difficulty is

like guys

come on

achievements are supposed to be difficult for the average person

you can't have a reasonable conversation if you say "ThE wOrD diFFIcuLt isn't REAL"

like obviously

some people are better than others

that doesn't make an achievement any more or less of what it is

[narrow hemlock]

a·chieve·ment /əˈCHēvmənt/ Learn to pronounce noun 1. a thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill.

difficulty can be a factor but effort and skill do not inherently mean difficult. are there any other arguments you would like to strawman

[north pier]

oh ok, so lets say someone does not have the skill and lacks effort

so postulation: will the game be difficult for them?

YEAH?

IS THAT WHAT DIFFICULTY MEANS?

OH MY GOODNESS

we figured it out

achievements are meant to be difficult

unless you're really really good

at teh game

wow