The Don has the last word
#h1-discussion
gusty slate
shell ice
hmm
static wadi
what the point of selling all stuff for money if zag dies anyway and charon will have all the money one way or another?
shell ice
who prints the obols?
surely this economy cant be sustained just from obols in the mouths of styx-riders
gusty slate
It's all a scheme by Charon
shell ice
we know where gemstones come from, theyre mined out of the earth
static wadi
@shell ice afaik people put coins into the dead mouths
shell ice
yeah thats what im referring to
but even then that CANT be sustainable
i mean when zag kills enemies they generally drop more than 1 obol
unless theyre rats
it just mathematically doesnt make sense
static wadi
@shell ice they kill other and grab their moneys
hollow swan
Every time I try, I end up getting my butt whupped by ||Charon's yaoi paddle||
gusty slate
Charon runs the blackmarket, it's all in his hands
Must say, that weapon is like the hardest hitting ingame
Well, one of them at least
shell ice
and where do the Golden Touch mirror upgrade coins come from?
shell ice
my bet is that theres an illicit money counterfeiting scheme going on
behind the scenes
gusty slate
It's all dreamland money
uneven scaffold
it's all leprechaun gold
cloud apex
Zagreus just commits tax fraud
gusty slate
No one does taxes down here.... oh wait a second...
shell ice
meh, being the son of the god of the dead probably comes with tax benefits
gusty slate
Hades isn't that nice
hollow swan
does the god of the dead pay taxes?
uneven scaffold
yeah, but then again he does kinda hate you
uneven scaffold
he puts his gems in his outfit and writes it as a loss, easy write off
hollow swan
That doesn't mean that they do pay bigger taxes
gusty slate
Where does Sisyphus keep all the goods
cloud apex
Well, hence the tax fraud
shell ice
i'm sure the house of hades brings connections.
cloud apex
Where does Sisyphus keep all the goods
in the boulder
Boulder in turn consumes nectar and generates the goods
hollow swan
Sisyphus is a tricky dude, that's how he got where he is in the first place. I'm sure he's pulled some fast ones to scrape together the stuff he offers Zag
uneven scaffold
and the darkness? from his suffering, sad
gusty slate
Is he suffering? He seems pretty content
hollow swan
Having accepted the absurd pointlessness of existence, Sisyphus feels at peace
latent summit
it was gun 4th with a level 16 heroic zeus M1
shell ice
doesnt some dialogue mention sisyphus getting paid a wage?
gusty slate
Extreme Measures 4 Hades? Goodness, they were talking about 3 phases earlier, but this must be when Hades takes away my allowance now
latent summit
I need a new strategy in that pom scales poorly with zeus M1 after level 4
shell ice
now i dont know how he manages to acquire the darkness'
latent summit
ugh
Level 16 heroic zeus M1 did 42 damage per tick iirc
thats not enough
I need something thatl scale better alone
I was thinking zag aspect spear M2 demeter?
uneven scaffold
wdym per tick
gusty slate
My first EM4 for Redacted was with Zeus Aspect shield
latent summit
your not allowed to say hades is the final boss?
static wadi
@latent summit spoilers
uneven scaffold
not here
latent summit
oh cmon the games been out for 2 years
gusty slate
No such thing, Hades never gets out of his chair
uneven scaffold
either spoiler or say redacted
shell ice
yeah, thats considered a spoiler, though a minor one
uneven scaffold
there's a ton of new people
shell ice
the games only been officially released for a few weeks
and its still pulling in good sales
uneven scaffold
it's not really a big spoiler, I called it the second I knew there was a last boss
static wadi
@latent summit i didnt play till release
shell ice
yeah its not exactly surprising
static wadi
cus there was no full tranclation
hollow swan
Yeah, a ton of new people have only started playing with 1.0, it's not fair to assume everybody has been playing since first early access release
latent summit
it takes like 3 runs to get good enough to get to him
gusty slate
Well darn I must be an idiot then
static wadi
@latent summit lol no
gusty slate
nonono 
is the final boss
uneven scaffold
it took me like 10 because I didn't know what I was doing for the first 8
uneven scaffold
ye
static wadi
i remeber when SGG trailer spoiled EM3 battle -_-
dapper mango
well i want to say congrats on making this game i love it its pretty amazing
static wadi
just read about red shade in elisium was 1st just a bug
hollow swan
||Nyx|| is the final boss, I never trusted them from the start
static wadi
@hollow swan lol u didnt reach final boss yet
hollow swan
it was a joke?
gusty slate
Oh, you figured out the one covering for them, not the final boss however. is final boss, 
pulls the strings
static wadi
@gusty slate sounds pretty logical to me and there should be Theseus above them all
who only pretend to be idiot
static wadi
btw that what i wanted to see
tough wyvern
hello! i have a question! I've beaten the final boss twice and i cant gift hades a second nectar now for some reason
static wadi
@tough wyvern u need more
tough wyvern
do you know why?
static wadi
10 at least iirc
gusty slate
Need to keep running
tough wyvern
im confused
gusty slate
Gotta keep beating up the final boss until it allows you
tough wyvern
so very early in the game i gifted him and he gave me nothing didnt think much of it much much later I was thinking what happens if i gift him again? and its not even an option
ill just keep winning i guess
grinding for diamonds atm tho
oh okay thanks!
sorry for the trouble guys
tough wyvern
thanks you too!
static wadi
@tough wyvern just remeber - no spoilers for this channel
tough wyvern
yes i thought so tried to not mention any names haha
static wadi
@stuck sundial if u take another trinket on 2nd floor u can guarantee this god for u in asphodel
stuck sundial
ok thanks
static wadi
gl
alpine sun
Man
Had 1500 gold going into hades battle with hoarding slash
Couldnt resist the titan blood
brisk trail
if supergiant made hades merch i would buy it FYI
brisk trail
so if i use the butterfly thing and then i swap it out after first boss i keep the damage bonuses right?
brisk trail
i just really wanna support this game aa
woww i feel like it should lol. useless then
dense folio
how on earth does one avoid dashing themselves directly into the phlegethon when they journey through asphodel
alpine sun
@static wadi my bad
I knew id still win so i wasnt too worried
Did lose a significant amount of dmg tho
static wadi
@alpine sun well yes blood is too good deal to pass
huh
so u gain eris buff before u dmg foes
deft leaf
For the lambent plume, is it intentional that in some encounters, it's literally impossible to get the buff in?
deft leaf
I'd like to think I'm fast enough, most encounters it seems to scale the time appropriately. Some of the Elysium encounters just don't feel that fairly scaled though
quiet gull
Have you seen some speedruns? I doubt there are any impossible rooms
Though I dont think Plume takes into account heat
deft leaf
haven't looked at many of those yet. Maybe it doesn't? hard to say. feels like most are good, but who knows
fierce jackal
Sisyphus ||Is there a reason he's just giving me endless pointless dialogue instead of talking about his scroll, no one has any dialogue about him at all, up to his locked heart||
This has been so far the single worst grind I've experienced in any game
*To do with above only
fierce jackal
Everyone elses random dialogue is bareable because you can just endlessly suicide to force it
Yeah I do
Pretty much 100%'d the game at this point ||outside of companions and a couple locked olympian hearts||
static wadi
did u have convo with meg or hades about it?
fierce jackal
I got ||true ending 30 runs in|| and I've been trying to get god damn sisyphyus ||companion|| for 80 runs now
sick epoch
Y'all know if the bow nerf killed it? or still playable?
fierce jackal
Neither of them say anything about him at all
No one else in the whole game has dialogue anymore except for this god damn fool about random old stuff
static wadi
@sick epoch lol why did u think it killed him
@fierce jackal did u ||talk to bouldy?||
static wadi
huh unlucky i guess
sick epoch
@static wadi Haven't tried it out yet, was wondering if my hopes and dreams are now crushed...
fierce jackal
this game is such a 10/10 literally except for the random dialogue stuff
static wadi
@sick epoch my fav Dio Chiron now become even stronger with that rework
fierce jackal
Having to suicide to force the story along is so zzzz
sick epoch
I think a background in greek mythology helps with the dialogue
fierce jackal
Nah, the dialogue is great and I love the story
static wadi
@sick epoch and for the Hera and zag aspect - u dont play it for special right?
fierce jackal
It's just the randomness + pointless dialogue taking up quest dialogue time
I'd much rather quest stuff >>> random stuff, once quest stuff is done then give me the fluff
sick epoch
@static wadi Nah, but I haven't maxed those aspects out
static wadi
@sick epoch Hera can be good lvl 1 with dio cast
grim wadi
Hey I have some questions to ask and I am in a weird situation. So I have tourettes which causes me to move my hands and head sometimes and it causes me to make mistake in action games like this for example and I took a break from playing action games for a few weeks because I was kinda tired from losing but every time I watch gameplays of action games I feel like its fun. How do I not feel as bad losing/failing in games like this and how do I try not to care about my tourettes (I think this affecting my gameplay makes me feel worse when losing). I played 19 runs in EA and got to Hades only once, and I played 1 game just now and I died to Hydra. It seems that I die on Hydra boss the most throughout my runs so if there is any tips for that, would be great. Not sure if I should post here or in #h1-for-new-players . Let me know.
static wadi
actually there is no difference in hera 5 and her 1 with dio cast
sick epoch
That's interesting, idk haven't really valued dio that much
static wadi
@grim wadi Did u try godmode?
fierce jackal
Honestly dont feel bad using the "godmode" setting @grim wadi although it can be seen as crutch, who cares if you're having fun
static wadi
@sick epoch ||https://youtu.be/Idlqm_bjmm4||
@grim wadi btw
one of the top hades players said he reach last boss in 30 attempts only
grim wadi
Oh damn lol
static wadi
so 1st runs are hardest
stuck sundial
how much does vanquisher's keep give? (gemstones on boss kill)
static wadi
dont look at ur losing as losing
grim wadi
It just feels bad sometimes I get hit for no reason due to me shaking cuz of my tics and then i lose runs
yeah i guess haha
static wadi
u farm darkness
grim wadi
i always have the bad mindset
static wadi
u farn keys
u learn movesets
u upgrade trinkets
actually it's pretty hard to have success withot good mirror
esr for new players
damn my english sucks
static wadi
always missing the buttons
grim wadi
xd
sick epoch
farming blood is such a pain, anyone got tips aside from heat and trade?
static wadi
so try god mode if u didnt it make things easier
grim wadi
aight
static wadi
@sick epoch prophecies
sick epoch
wait, do you get rewards in godmode?
grim wadi
i wanna try normal mode for a bit more too
static wadi
yes
grim wadi
first*
sick epoch
holy, ok, I might just godmode to get resources lmao. but yea, prophecies are a big shout. you get like 15
sick epoch
I mean in like one sitting
static wadi
so there are only 5 ways to get blood
sick epoch
Compared to like 5 if I were to just sit there are play chiron over and over again
static wadi
1st is more bounties ||with heat||
2nd is broker(dont forget special deal for 15 keys)
3rd is prophecies but it's limited yes
4rd is last shop
5th is FISHIIIIING
sick epoch
Sounds like alot of work, aight imma go off to try dio. thanks
static wadi
@sick epoch well it's not a work when it's not a purpose
and when u are intrested to see somerhing new
grim wadi
@static wadi do you recommend fists to a new player
not sure if i unlocked it yet, only played 1 run ever since i came back lul
static wadi
@grim wadi eh i personally hate fist
grim wadi
is it that bad?
static wadi
but lot of people say it's great
so as usual it's question of personal choice
find something that suits u well
my fav is Chiron and Chaos aspects
@grim wadi but tbh i have similar feeling when i'm tired of playin but chating with ppl in this discord inspires me in new runs
dense folio
I mean many say that shield is really easy but I find myself dying very often with it
I've only ever been good with spear, sword, and talos fists
base fists are very rough to do though
hoary canopy
Shield is easy in the sense that it has innate block so as long as you position yourself properly youll live through anything
static wadi
@hoary canopy you cant just ignore ability to block EVERYTHING
hoary canopy
Yeah thats what i said
hoary canopy
Same its why i dont use the shield i mainly use sword bow fists and occasionally spear
tribal glade
@grim wadi fists are my fav weapon - its all personal preference really
green turtle
This question probably gets asked a lot but is it possible to miss a story discussion? Got transported to a different room due to a conversation which removed the story discussion from me being able to trigger it.
hoary canopy
No youll get it again next run
green turtle
okay cool thanks
hoary canopy
No problem
green turtle
have huge paranoia in missing story stuff in games
hoary canopy
Yeah it won't happen with this one theres some problems of getting the right dialogue since they can have multiple topics they wanna talk about but they are all queued up youll eventually always get the story
stuck sundial
can hermes just bypass olympus keepsakes on asphodel?!?!?!
hoary canopy
Any region but yes hes fast ya know
Dont worry though youll get the guaranteed boon until pick it up
stuck sundial
that's anoying
tribal glade
hermes so good - even his mediocre buffs are legit
static wadi
@tribal glade even basic +10 per room is cool
midnight hamlet
Does Aphrodite's crush shot still apply ♦️ to enemies?
And +1 on Hermes. One of my fav characters and some of my fav boons
static wadi
@midnight hamlet is it cast?
midnight hamlet
Yup
static wadi
midnight hamlet
brisk trail
YO
This is the farthest I have ever gotten
Just got to (Spoiler) ||Cerberus||
It’s getting late though so I will continue tomorrow from there.
I was using the sword (which I never use), so I didn’t expect to get very far. I was just trying to get a reward with it.
old tinsel
@desert vipers can you get merchandising to make a hoodie
zenith burrow
What's the thing called that Zag wears on his head?
old tinsel
laurel maybe?
zenith burrow
Ah, thanks!
static wadi
@old tinsel green is for Hades role
well now it means nothing tbh
but it gave opportunity to write in feedback channel
old tinsel
ahhh ok
static wadi
when it was opened
green turtle
ugh the story scene isn't popping up again
static wadi
@green turtle which?
crisp zodiac
Not sure if it's a spoiler, so . . . I just got the dialogue option to ||get ambrosia back from Dusa or leave it with her||. I left without saving after choosing the latter option to see both dialogue options, but I want to know whether or not it changes anything down the line.
green turtle
||A Persephone/Hades one to get to the epilogue||
crisp zodiac
I do see that, but if it changes a dialogue bit later on, she really does mind and is just being excessively polite.
fierce jackal
no changes
static wadi
it's like choose romance or friendship options
crisp zodiac
@fierce jackal Are you certain? Have you run multiple save files or something?
fierce jackal
She ||just goes into endless dialogue loop of the same stuff||
||literal 0 mention of any of those events after it happens||
crisp zodiac
Oh, I see. Okay, cool, then. Thanks!
blissful pebble
Hadès isn't detected by discord when i want to stream it :/
static wadi
lol acidently recorded my 90 mins gameplay
stiff birch
I have such a minor issue with one of the prophecies "Dark Reflections" and how it lists the requirements. Shouldn't "Dark Foresight" be under "Olympian Favor" similar to all the other alternate Talents?
Other than that, game is wonderful and I can never stop talking about it.
static wadi
@stiff birch oh i had same problem i thought there must be some extra talent i can open
stiff birch
@static wadi It's one of those things where if you notice it, you can't un-notice it hahah! Ah well, thankfully haven't ran into any other issues.
fallen bramble
Did Supergiant react to yahtzee croshaw's review?
fallen pond
Hadès isn't detected by discord when i want to stream it :/
@blissful pebble
Do you run it in full screen or windowed?
blissful pebble
full screen
fallen pond
There's your problem
blissful pebble
i should run it windowed ?
fallen pond
Yes, discord screen share needs windows for some reason
fallen pond
surreal beacon
it depends on if you have a second monitor or not
if you have a second monitor you can run it full screen, if not you have to run it windowed
(I think)
supple echo
anyone know a server where people talk speedrun strats?
robust sundial
bought qll the lounge upgrqdes ! :3
static wadi
@robust sundial Dusa approves
robust sundial
yet she won't let me offer her the last batch of ambrosia...
everytime I approach her she flies away
finite fossil
hey so i end up main storry ( i guess ) i unlock everything that is posible for diamonds .... end up games up to 2-5 burn lvl ....
will be there any new content coming up ? new dialogues / story lines etc etc ? ot this is it ?
static wadi
@finite fossil when u say end u mean credits?
finite fossil
ye
static wadi
it's not the end
finite fossil
i mean credits wwas long ago i saw ...
static wadi
tthere is still much story left
finite fossil
oh ok 🙂
cuz well after beating game on burn 5 kinda burn me off 😛
but ok ill keep up hehe XDDD still enjoy the game so yea .... 🙂
static wadi
@finite fossil go for 16
static wadi
@finite fossil ||2nd skelly prize||
finite fossil
also what best win streak u guys get ?
static wadi
12 iirc
finite fossil
played this game from 2 week daily basis aand my best was 5 or 6 wi nstreak 😄 when i realize i got that much i lost current run xDDD
robust sundial
go for heat 32
finite fossil
is the game still in develop ?
static wadi
@finite fossil not much but yes
tame nymph
Read FAQ
static wadi
@finite fossil 2nd more
bitter needle
I just beat final boss ||Hades EM4|| and omg that was SICK
finite fossil
oh ok so they still working on something nice 😄
good to hear that 😄
it was loong time for me till i found a game i get hooked up 😛
so yea ... see ya guys
xD
static wadi
gl
bitter needle
That moment when you had 4 dashes because of hermes then you’re back at the house with only 2 😔
static wadi
@bitter needle or even 1 if u mess with mirror
bitter needle
@static wadi trueee I was doing the prophecy where you have to complete runs with all the different mirror aspects and the 1 dash was rough
static wadi
for me hardest was Stubborn Defiance
bitter needle
Oof yea that one took me like 3 tries before I got a decent build and remembered to stick on the lucky tooth
fallen pond
I always run solo dash
bitter needle
:0 you’re stronger than I
fallen pond
Extra damage my dudes 
full geyser
^psycopath
bitter needle
I just always count on getting athena or posiedon dash (rip the runs where I don’t) and it’s nice to have 2
unkempt sleet
Nah, Ruthless + Zag Fists is the way. Dodge tank away!
bitter needle
Especially in the witches circle, last run I just went on I had the 4 dashes and Athena shield on dash and when I ran into the witches circle in asphodel I literally just dashed around them and they killed themselves
@unkempt sleet I might have to try that :0 I love the fists
cloud apex
Sounds just about right for witch x athena interaction
bitter needle
Haha it’s the most fun
unkempt sleet
Fists 4 with ruthless is also pretty good
bitter needle
My fave is Talos cause then any enemies chilling over gaps you can say “you want to be over there? no you don’t❤️”
It was really nice especially two runs ago when I had festive fog and the zeus duo with it cause I could pull enemies back into the fog and they’d get zapped lol
That was my em4 run it was a blast
Also speaking of the fists, does anybody else on controller struggle with the dash upper? I always forget about it so using the hidden aspect of the fists was really difficult for me
unkempt sleet
The only way I found to reliably dash upper is claw gripping
bitter needle
Oof I haven’t used claw grip for this game yet, but I do use it for overwatch so perhaps it’s time to learn on switch
unkempt sleet
So you use your index for Y and possibly B and middle for triggers
fallen pond
Mouse n keeb 
unkempt sleet
(On Xbox controllers)
bitter needle
Ohhh lmfao I was like what
fallen pond
I have special on a thumb button so it's easy to spam
unkempt sleet
I wish my mouse had buttons 4-5 but it is just a normal mouse
bitter needle
I considered just rebinding the controls to be special on y and attack on x for those runs but then I didn’t do that
vapid narwhal
well this is when back paddles come to play
I have dash on paddle so I can just paddle+Y
vapid narwhal
back paddles on Xbox Elite controllers, or with the Dualshock 4 back button attachment
eager vortex
I see a ||steal option in charrons shop. are there gonna be any consequences if I do it?||
vapid narwhal
adds up to 4 paddles to the back of the controller which you can assign to any button
carmine ravine
I see a ||steal option in charrons shop. are there gonna be any consequences if I do it?||
@eager vortex ||fun chatting with charon||
eager vortex
yes true
We're having a nice talk over a cup of tea
for some reason he's trying to kill me brutally?
hm must be roleplaying or something
carmine ravine
he just slipped up or sth dw
vapid narwhal
||with his paddle up your arse||
eager vortex
Lmfao
bitter needle
@eager vortex oof good luck
bitter needle
You’ll get him next time
eager vortex
ngl its my fault :P
bitter needle
He got me the first time too cause I was thrown for a loop
tame maple
Hey everyone! Some friends and I wrote a randomizer for Hades, is there any place I could post that here for people to check out? ^^ It doesn't actually change your game, but it randomizes mirror choices, keepsakes, weapons/aspects and heat options. We've had a lot of fun running random races against each other :p
static wadi
@tame maple #self-promotion i think
tame maple
Ah, right on!
bitter needle
@eager vortex you’ll get him next time
granite ether
the scaling is off
static wadi
it works wrong
mossy lily
either they messed up
granite ether
it should read 20, 22, 24, 26
mossy lily
or the rarity makes it hit more
quaint hatch
That's from the wiki right?
quaint hatch
My guess is someone just ffed up
mossy lily
🛐
quaint hatch
Majorly
eager vortex
guys why cant I manage to beat redacted with any other weapon apart from the bow ;-;
static wadi
@eager vortex cus u are not ready
quaint hatch
Lack of practice
eager vortex
fair enough
Ive killed em like 5 times with bow
cant manage to beat em with anything else unfortunately
quaint hatch
Just gotta know the game well enough
Even if you're having troubles with other weapons it should be fine then
carmine ravine
how can you not beat him with the shield
static wadi
well great i just got my last 49th acievement and epilogues
static wadi
it was great time
eager vortex
how can you not beat him with the shield
I guess I need to git gud
Ive gotten him down to like|| 2hp on final phase||
with shield
static wadi
@eager vortex what bow aspect do u use?
eager vortex
not sure about the name. the one with the homing special
quaint hatch
Chiron
eager vortex
mhm
quaint hatch
If you like bow how are you fairing with rail?
static wadi
@eager vortex try Chaos shield it's gameplay pretty similar
quaint hatch
But should at least be leveled
static wadi
@quaint hatch rail and bow not simi;ar
quaint hatch
That's the one
static wadi
@eager vortex i mean chaos Aspect
eager vortex
@eager vortex i mean chaos Aspect
yup have that
I suppose I just need to upgrade it a bit
quaint hatch
Chaos is like a very close range version of chiron ig
static wadi
@eager vortex yeah both Chiron and Chaos neet be lvled if u want to play
eager vortex
alr
quaint hatch
But then they are awesome
sharp fossil
there used to be a bug (bug? idk it may have been intentional) where you would get a ludicrous number of thugs for no apparent reason
sharp fossil
which is maybe fixed now?
quaint hatch
I dunno depends on the room ig
sharp fossil
it was mostly a problem with JS, admittedly
which i'm not running rn
yeah guess we'll see
sharp fossil
i usually do, to be fair, but i'm bad with bows and have it turned off for the moment while i git gud
quaint hatch
Overwhelming?
quaint hatch
I'm having problem with the vanilla aspect
Love every other lol
sharp fossil
i mostly don't play the zag aspects lol
i mostly just find the others more interesting
quaint hatch
Same
I don't like that you have to level them for benefits that aren't really exciting or transformative
At least for me
quaint hatch
I'm planning to eventually max them but I'm saving up for the ones I likr
I mean hades has a lot of Players
So 1,7 is bound to be a large number
fallen pond
i have them all maxed because i'm a completionist
Amen bruddah
quaint hatch
Also it's "pretty new"
fallen pond
They're not maxed yet, but I'm working on it
And it's not like nectar is a problem anymore
sharp fossil
just playing until you reach the credits then moving on is a valid enough way to experience the game
like, the opposite of what i'm doing lol, but each to their own
quaint hatch
Although you're gonna be missing out on most of the content
sharp fossil
yeah exactly
quaint hatch
And some of the story
sharp fossil
whereas i'm still playing well after all the content has run out...
well, the story content
quaint hatch
But it's not exactly telegraphed that there is one ig
quaint hatch
I can't stop till I have completed as high of a heat as I can with all weapons
How?
That's what I mean
Credits roll
After that it's just random dialogue that slightly alludes to maybe there being something
sharp fossil
yeah true
I can't stop till I have completed as high of a heat as I can with all weapons
@quaint hatch same
quaint hatch
Mom still hasn't decided on my end
lusty cobalt
K Im no longer a NOOB now I escaped Tartarus. Time to move on to the big boy discussion room 🙂
sharp fossil
the trouble is, the more i play the higher the heats i can theoretically reach get...
quaint hatch
Which is a shame cause I'm long done with the main story
No offense but there's still insane spoilers for you mutiny
Long way to go still ;D
lusty cobalt
How you doing Fellow EXPERTS 🙂
sharp fossil
there shouldn't be too many spoilers in this thread
lusty cobalt
haha im sure there are
sharp fossil
ofc, we were just discussing post endgame stuff, so that was kinda borderline...
yeah but if you don't click on tags, it shouldn't be too bad
in theory lol
quaint hatch
lusty cobalt
Its fine r ight now im just going to faceroll my way to getting these weapons unlocks
Death be damned
lusty cobalt
lol
static wadi
Damn i love Asterius sense of humour
sharp fossil
than is a great guy
quaint hatch
Everyone is a great guy/girl/being/primordial whatever
lusty cobalt
Back to the grind then Im only really 3 hours in game is great well worth the price of admission
fallen pond
Everyone is a great guy/girl/being/primordial whatever
Not Theseus
sharp fossil
first win after 3 hours is doing well
quaint hatch
Oh boy you're gonna get you're moneys more than worth
sharp fossil
i dunno what the average is, but i think most take longer than that
quaint hatch
He said outta tartarus
lusty cobalt
yeah TATARUS
sharp fossil
oh fair
static wadi
"||Queen|| is back! U know what it's mean short one? It means nothing!"
quaint hatch
I really bonked my head at elysium a lot
Guess most did
sharp fossil
it took me like a week of playing this game an embarrassing amount to get my first legit win
lusty cobalt
Im looking to get my first win TOMORROW 🙂
sharp fossil
do it
lusty cobalt
got a lotta Covid down time and nothing better to do
sharp fossil
i believe in you
fallen pond
Oh I choked hard on the last boss like 10x before I got him
quaint hatch
I'm p used to roguelikes so it was ok
Well there's still a lot of hours in the day xD
lusty cobalt
This is only my 2nd roguelike
Did Rogue Legacy back in the day and didn't care for it so I gave up on them
This one is great though
eager vortex
I have to agree
I like other roguelikes too, but they dont really hit the mark on story and characters as much as hades does
sharp fossil
agreed
i really like story/character driven games, and i really like roguelikes, and i guess i never really thought that i could have both at once
fallen pond
SGG knows da wei
sharp fossil
now here's me, having my cake and also eating it
quaint hatch
Not subjective
eager vortex
roguelite+good story+||you can date a gorgon head|| = great game
meager barn
hades is an s+ tier roguelike yea
quaint hatch
Literally best game
lusty cobalt
No autoaim is.....rough
sharp fossil
there is autoaim
lusty cobalt
But I think it might be better once you get used to it
quaint hatch
SSG seems to be an insanely good developer
All games bangers
Unique style
And indy
lusty cobalt
Autoaim is on by default I think @sharp fossil
sharp fossil
yeah
lusty cobalt
You have to choose to turn it off
meager barn
supergiant have never made a bad game
sharp fossil
oh i see, fair enough
meager barn
pyre is niche and a departure from the rest but a banger nonetheless
lusty cobalt
I have a feeling that at high levels of play autoaim is more of a hinderance than a help
But im just a noob what do I know
sharp fossil
i was a bit confused by pyre at first, but then i got super into it
fallen pond
Let's call a spade a spade, all sgg games is pretty much just reskins, but they're extremely good reskins that still stands out from each other
meager barn
all 4 games have incredible soundtracks, art design, voice acting and story
quaint hatch
Auto aim is personal preference imo
sharp fossil
Let's call a spade a spade, all sgg games is pretty much just reskins, but they're extremely good reskins that still stands out from each other
@fallen pond ... have you played pyre?
fallen pond
I havent tried pyre though
quaint hatch
Bruh where safe SGG reskins
meager barn
dont get the reskin comment tbh
sharp fossil
yeah pyre is very different
quaint hatch
Have you even played transistor M
Hades is definitely a culmination of SGG's work up until now
lusty cobalt
@quaint hatch If Im aiming with the bow at something on the otherside of the screen I wouldn't want auto aim taking over to the "closest enemy"
quaint hatch
But that's not the same as a reskin
fallen pond
Because bastion, transistor and hades all have similar gameplay yet they're unique
sharp fossil
i don't totally agree with the reskin thing either, but i can kinda see the argument for it with bastion/transistor
meager barn
theyre visually similar because of the artstyle but the only relation in terms of gameplay is the isometric camera and action rpg elements
like thats it
quaint hatch
I'm having pretty good success controlling auto aim
granite ether
just because bastion, transistor and hades are all isometric don't mean they reskins
meager barn
they have very distinct gameplay loops
quaint hatch
The art style is they're trademark though
sharp fossil
yeah i agree honestly
quaint hatch
Also the isometric style
fallen pond
Similar (same?) engine, amazing music, voice acting, visuals
lusty cobalt
Nothing wrong with having a specialty as long as you can keep it new and fresh everytime
which they have
sharp fossil
i think hades has a new engine?
quaint hatch
That's still not reskins
sharp fossil
iirc
quaint hatch
All games that run on UE3 are reskins
Change my mind
lusty cobalt
Back to the grind! I got a Underworld to Escape from 🙂
meager barn
every game is a pong reskin
quaint hatch
Best if luck!
meager barn
all fantasy is derivative of journey to the west
quaint hatch
Yes
fallen pond
Was gonna let y'all finish before I continued
meager barn
i didnt think you disliked them
quaint hatch
I'm gonna defend a game I like
meager barn
reskin was just poor wording imo
wanton gale
They use MonoGame and C#
meager barn
its innately a bad thing
quaint hatch
Also that
carmine ravine
reskin is just another word for ripoff
fallen pond
SGG is the only studio that I actively follow
Ever since I first booted up bastion a decade ago
quaint hatch
Didn't ever think you disliked them :D
meager barn
also even if literally everything else was exactly the same, the turn() combat system, the roguelike nature of hades and the slower methodical pace to bastion are enough to differentiate tbh
plus pyre is pyre
eager vortex
yo guys were ||patroculus and achilles partners? just curious||
eager vortex
alrighty then
quaint hatch
Game will tell you eventually
quaint hatch
Unless you definitely want a direct answer ofc
quaint hatch
Hope you'll have fun finding out ^^
eager vortex
lets hope I do
meager barn
wait i saw a meme relating to that recently
sharp fossil
5 chances for heart rend arrrghghghhjg
ok now i've got that out of my system
carry on
correct meme
fallen pond
Since when is "reskin" a bad word btw?
sharp fossil
i do think it has negative connotations
meager barn
^
sharp fossil
like, "there was no work put into this, its just a reskin of X"
fallen pond
Cause I tried to make my point that I praised sgg for pulling it off beautifully
sharp fossil
don't think that's what you meant by it, but its often used that way
carmine ravine
thats what connotations mean
meager barn
it implies its something pretending to be different
fallen pond
Everyone who's played a sgg title knows that it's not the case kek
meager barn
but is actually the exact same
fallen pond
VA on AAA level, best music in the biz, bouldy
carmine ravine
its like wilson but bigger
meager barn
in a way
sharp fossil
not sure what category bouldy is in, but whatever it is he's the best one
meager barn
||chaos made everything and then stopped once they got to bouldy since they were never going to top them||
carmine ravine
the thought of zagreus breaking a bottle of nectar on bouldy to get a buff
meager barn
like christening a boat
wanton gale
new head cannon
zaggy hugs the boulder, wishing it well
his buff is from the feed goodies
static wadi
only question i have to the new death animation
fallen pond
Best part about the bouldy buff is that it's evidence that he's sentient
meager barn
we been knew
static wadi
how managed zag instantly turn himslef into 180?
carmine ravine
not rly, clearly giving bouldy a bottle of nectar jist give u a buff coz of placebo, thus the small effect
sharp fossil
hmm
seems like ya'll aren't sure whether you believe in bouldy or not
have a +2% ambiguity bonus
carmine ravine
sorry i need more nectars for woodland
meager barn
i say placebo like playce bow and it infuriates my brother
saying words wrong on purpose is comedy
sharp fossil
agreed
carmine ravine
i mean some people thought puppets is comedy too so
robust sundial
plaice e-bow
fallen pond
Plakkebu
granite rapids
plassebboo
meager barn
plah see boh
fallen pond
not rly, clearly giving bouldy a bottle of nectar jist give u a buff coz of placebo, thus the small effect
@carmine ravine
You doubting the faith of the rock?
sharp fossil
plaque elbow
meager barn
plaque elbow!!!
getting back on topic do you think you would resent the big rock you have to move around for eternity or would you be homies
like you personally
i think its a question we all have to ask ourselves
meager barn
😔
sharp fossil
but after like, several centuries? like, who knows
carmine ravine
i mean u cant die
meager barn
when youre jacked as hell itd probably just become a light jog
the whipping'd be the only hard part
sharp fossil
yeah like, Sisyphus is basically as big as bouldy at this point
he prolly does it one handed
meager barn
dual wield bouldies
carmine ravine
did he uh, ever do anythibg with the rock
carmine ravine
not yet i guess
sharp fossil
haven't seen one
fallen pond
the whipping'd be the only hard part
meager barn
🔫
robust sundial
spice hatch
Google is trying so hard to spoil Hades story for me
I googled the wiki twice for quick reference on some stuff and my youtube recs are nothing but "hey did you know about <spoilers>?"
fallen pond
Don't Google stuff then
spice hatch
Google as in youtube
carmine ravine
well do u know hades is actually dont exists
carmine ravine
its all just a figment of ur imagination
carmine ravine
no
ur ||gay||
spice hatch
tru
brisk trail
I should've bought the sundial on father's day 
fallen pond
That's a thing?
brisk trail
nope, but we can ask the devs I guess haha
zealous basin
Whose gods boons are the best for multi-hit attacks, like the 12 hit combo with the fists?
robust sundial
dyonisus, ||demeter||, zeus. For fast attacks you want stacking boons, so avoid poseidon, artemis or ares
old tusk
Does Swift Strike from Hermes affect charge time of Bull Rush and Spear's Charged Attack?
Question
or it just accelerates your basic attacking, I always wondered
robust sundial
I've seen hermes speed help with charging up the bow so take my "hard maybe" on the bull rush and spear charge
old tusk
yeah but on bow seems logical because it is its only basic attack pattern
small tusk
dyonisus, ||demeter||, zeus. For fast attacks you want stacking boons, so avoid poseidon, artemis or ares
@robust sundial why are artemis and poseidon bad? Poseidon knocks back with every arrow of the special and I'm pretty sure Artemis crits per-arrow as well.
Knockback is actually a lot of fun with the special, especially ||chiron||
robust sundial
I thought we were talking of "12 hit combo with the fist"
quaint hatch
You need to || for tag
small tusk
Aha, edited it out lmao
robust sundial
poseidon's perfect for rail's attack and bow's special, IMHO.
robust sundial
unless you get the Ares thing that makes Doom tick harder when applied multiple times, then...
quaint hatch
Well ME works with everything
robust sundial
oh wait that's artemis in the picture or something
small tusk
But even then the damage increase is +10(or more) per stack
Not quite the same compared to a leveled main boon at 200+
(talking doom)
robust sundial
eh, to each his/her/their own
quaint hatch
Amen
small tusk
Lol
For some reason I get Zeus so rarely that I'm not even sure his boons have a variant for the specials 🤔
At least not that I've noticed it with the bow
Just looked it up. Apparently it does exist. I'd like to try that with the bow sometime...
high island
Curse of Agony is the best Attack boon for Malphon for DPS.
Doesn't need ME for that.
lusty cobalt
I just dont do enough damage 😦
Those swordsman take FOREVER to kill. I didn't know this game was about level grinding b/c it seems like thats what Im going to have to do
mossy grove
There isn’t really any grinding needed unless you are trying to get the secret aspects
lusty cobalt
I need more keys to get more darkness so I can do more dmg
carmine ravine
the endgame is just grind wdym
robust sundial
if you have trouble with the swordsman, wait for the shieldbearers...
wicked ingot
If endgame is grind, it's all grind
lusty cobalt
otherwise ill be hitting those swordsman for 1 min eat to kill them
wicked ingot
Because in early game you grind for darkness, keys, upgrading keepsakes etc
lusty cobalt
I think i got there too early
grim wadi
24 runs, only got to ||hades|| once and last area couple of time, this game too hard
Trying my best though
But I probably should take a break, hands are hurting and feeling tired
robust sundial
I play with god mode on.
civic solstice
Man I hope SuperGiant doesn't do any more nerfs to weapons with this game
Makes no sense
I can understand through early acesss to a degree but not at this point
mossy grove
They only nerfed the bow in the last patch
civic solstice
Yeah and it didnt need to happen and it shouldnt happen to any weapon
brisk trail
@robust sundial i already did that lol
is it when he flops and does the peace sign
is that the change??
mossy grove
It wasn’t much of a nerf because there is an aspect that got buffed to literally make the nerf worthless
civic solstice
I just don't understand nerfing in a single player game to begin with
civic solstice
I just don't buy that, not when even weapon can be made OP with certain aspects/boon,/hammer combos
I mean, people are clearing the run in under 10 minutes with a certain rail build
But i hate the rail and how it feels so do I care? No. Do i want it to be nerfed? No, why would I?
It is not negatively impacting my playing of the game whatsoever that people are using that build
You eventually get to a point with the weapon upgrades (for ANY weapon) and mirror upgrades that at least making it to Hades isn't too bad without Heat applied. You want challenge, you want to balance things out more? Tthat
thats what heat is for
opaque nexus
I got sub 8 minute time with rail yesterday
fallen pond
Just group and spam special?
opaque nexus
it was not recorded but it was 1.5 minutes ahead of my old best time
mossy grove
Yup
fallen pond
I hate the reload mechanic
opaque nexus
you get used to it
fallen pond
Yea but I'd rather have fun instead of minmax speedruns
brisk trail
same
opaque nexus
it is fun to me regardless of if im speedrunning
civic solstice
Just dont have too much fun, they may nerf the weapon
opaque nexus
and speedrunning is fun to me
mossy grove
Why are you so angry about the bow nerf
civic solstice
It makes no sense in a single player game
You shouldnt be based "balance" around no heat run late game runs
basing*
civic solstice
That's the thing though, it wasn't affecting you negatively before, it's not affecting you negatively now
grim wadi
Anyways what is the most beginner friendly weapon/strong?
civic solstice
Its just preference
fallen pond
It's only been affecting me negatively
flat vapor
shield
grim wadi
What aspect? I got the Blitz one
civic solstice
How has it been negatively affecting you exactly?
grim wadi
Don't have Chaos
civic solstice
Id love to hear it
fallen pond
My rng prayers are never answered, bad boons, bad hammers, no +hp, no chaos
civic solstice
lol ok
fallen pond
I've had two decent bow runs out of 10
civic solstice
And a nerf of all things would help things out for you in that how?
fallen pond
It literally didn't affect me
civic solstice
Right, thank you for illustrating my point
fallen pond
Your point is that you're salty and can't read the patch notes since they buffed aspects to balance the nerf
civic solstice
The point is none of it needed to happen at all. It's a single player game
gusty slate
Oh boy round 2?
fallen pond
Who knows best about what the game needs, the developers who's been working on it for years or an armchair developer?
civic solstice
For the argument to make any sense you have to show me how it's negatively affecting the player base
Its preference, that'
s all it is
fallen pond
Show us how the nerf negatively affects the player base first
strong furnace
The devs want the bow and everything else to play a certain way so they nerf or buff them as needed
What's wrong with that?
fallen pond
I had my first bow clear after the nerf so maybe it was positive
brisk trail
Hey
I finally got to (MAJOR SPOILER) ||Cerberus|| last night. What exactly does ||he want?|| I was very tired it’s why I didn’t go any further I saved it for later today.
civic solstice
Why change how weapons deal damage to "balance" things in a game where every single weapon can be made OP? For what reason? Because it was getting easier for players? Again, balancing around endgame leveled players in non-heat runs shouldn't be what you are balancing weapons around, and that's if you really need to balance weapons in the first place
Which they really dont
gusty slate
Oh I see
brisk trail
Does it matter which?
quaint hatch
Randomly
gusty slate
It's never the first room, it's one of the ones after that RNG based
quaint hatch
Yes
gusty slate
If you want
strong furnace
It can be the first room though. First time I got there, it was the first room. It's never happened again
gusty slate
Have to do a risk analysis though
quaint hatch
But if this is your first time you'll quickly realize that you probably don't
gusty slate
It's never the first room, maybe in a patch long ago it might've been
brisk trail
Ya this is the farthest I have ever gotten
strong furnace
Lol, it was literally the first room. Back in like Feb or March so not that long ago
brisk trail
I was shocked really because I was using a weapon (sword) that I barley use.
quaint hatch
Then it was pre 1.0
gusty slate
I'd say that's awhile back lol
quaint hatch
Context matters
strong furnace
There's been like 1 major patch and release since then
gusty slate
Then again my sense of time is messed up, but I believe post v1.0 at least it was changed sometime to never be first room
strong furnace
It's not like it was a common thing
quaint hatch
Well it should never be the first now at least
brisk trail
I was so relieved when ||I found out I didn’t have to fight Cerberus||.
Major Spoiler above
Don’t click if you don’t want to know
quaint hatch
Nah he's best boy
quaint hatch
How is that a major spoiler lol
gusty slate
Can be
brisk trail
Because we are discussing what is technically a boss
And a surprise
I was surprised when I saw him
gusty slate
Depends on context I suppose
gusty slate
shrug can't be worse than people spoiler tagging their spoiler tags x10 lol
brisk trail
Better safe than sorry
quaint hatch
Nothing bad to say about being considerate
brisk trail
Just don’t want to ruin the game for anyone
quaint hatch
Just the major is overdoing it a bit xD
Man would you be surprised what can happen concerning him and the final boss
brisk trail
I know who the final boss is only because people keep saying it without tags
fallen pond
It's quite obvious though
quaint hatch
Final boss definetly is spoilers
brisk trail
It is obvious
quaint hatch
Obviously it's achilles kappa
brisk trail
I assumed the final boss was ||Zeus though||
quaint hatch
Weird
Since the gods support you yk
brisk trail
I hate Zeus
glad mist
||i mean support you or not zeus does what he feels like||
quaint hatch
Well just because you hate someone he'd not gonna becomr final boss
gusty slate
I mean, why can't someone expect a twist? lol
brisk trail
Hades is the responsible chad who is loyal, loves his family, and doesn’t rape everything in sight.
Zeus is a narcissistic power hungry, rapist, who can’t keep it in his pants even at family reunions. He shows no loyalty or respect towards others but himself.
brisk trail
It’s the reason I’m not watching Blood of Zeus a Greek Mythology Anime coming to Netflix.
quaint hatch
You gotta learn this Is a clean channel m8
It’s the reason I’m not watching Blood of Zeus a Greek Mythology Anime coming to Netflix.
@brisk trail I know
exotic pawn
What are your favorite boons for aspect of || lucifer ||
brisk trail
I didn’t say anything that got a warning.
exotic pawn
weapon is fun but I feel I'm really bad at it
strong furnace
I also thought it was ||Zeus or one of the other gods|| cause of how evil they can be
quaint hatch
In talking to @strong furnace
strong furnace
The bot told me. You don't have to tell me
I'd just read a book which really showed how they could act so it was weird to get the gods being all nice here
quaint hatch
Since it seemed to have happened multiple times
gusty slate
I think I ran the same boons as I would for normal rail tbh
strong furnace
? It's happened like once before and I haven't been here in like a week
quaint hatch
Yeah zeus always
gusty slate
primary, Dio/Zeus. Special I think Ares is pretty funny. Otherwise, most high damage can work
quaint hatch
Chill m8
brisk trail
Dio is vibing
quaint hatch
No need to get defensive
strong furnace
No need to be aggressive
quaint hatch
Where am I agressive?> You gotta learn this Is a clean channel m8
@quaint hatch
strong furnace
I'm not gonna continue this
quaint hatch
Where's the wine emote lol
gusty slate
🍷
quaint hatch
🍷
gusty slate
It's a default apparently
quaint hatch
Thought it was channel specific