I also reject any boons which are commons so that's a thing
#h1-discussion
brisk trail
static wadi
@brisk trail well they are not 100% same
brisk trail
always start the same anyways
static wadi
1st is same
brisk trail
"Hey, here's some common boons. Reroll? Oh, more common boons"
static wadi
but even now
brisk trail
gross and disgusting
gusty slate
sad common boon noises
static wadi
took another weapon
raven lava
at this point i'm tempted to take the ||miniboss pact of punishment|| just to make it show up faster
tepid plover
So what determines what boons are displayed in the victory screen
Or is it completely random
gusty slate
YOu can pick em?
tepid plover
Yeah but what determines which ar edisolayed first
gusty slate
Oh initially? beats me... it seems to be rarity?
tepid plover
Alright
gusty slate
but then that's not totally true
gusty slate
Has to be a mix of rarity, level, and maybe... maybeeee usage?
quaint hatch
It feels random to me
deep geyser
Alright did some homeworl, now I can play
quaint hatch
Get those wins
woven cipher
I just died on the last boss for the third time in a row with shield
deep geyser
Actually crap I have one more thing to do
woven cipher
I just can't make this damn weapon work it seem
deep geyser
Also rip @woven cipher
woven cipher
I think I just need to abandon the melee attempt and do range with special
deep geyser
Honestly my first win was with the Zeus Shield cause you can range and melee at the same time
woven cipher
I just don't have enough blood for that
Also I've been suiciding over and over to get shady, but I accidentally get Mort first. Still no shady
tawdry flower
Shield was my first win
Attack repeatedly like it’s fists, and then hold down attack to defend / bull rush as a counter
woven cipher
Yeah I've been doing that, I've been using Poseidon build
Its just not effective against bosses since they can't be knocked back far
tawdry flower
Poseidon has extra boons
One that does extra damage to bosses when using a knockback ability
One that causes them to causes explosions when enemies hit walls. And while bosses don’t really get knocked back, you can trigger those effects still if they’re close to a wall
I also like Reflect (Athena) on Attack with shield because then your bull rush is safe(r) to use
zinc nacelle
when is the update planning to drop?
frigid kindle
I used Reflect on Dash since it helps with avoidance a lot.
brisk trail
I just found out who the three people you can romance are and I gotta admit I’m a lil upset that ||Dusa|| is an option. ||Shes literally a floating head||, should’ve been ||Hypnos or a different female character of some kind||
fading gazelle
@zinc nacelle Which update in general?
frigid kindle
Zeus' Revenge Damage is OP if you level it up enough (I got it to about 300HP per hit during one run)
zinc nacelle
the next one that was announced
quaint hatch
There was non announcemed right?
tawdry flower
@brisk trail the ||Dusa|| relationship is really cute. If it bothers you, (end of relationship quest spoilers) ||you end up as close friends and not lovers||
woven cipher
Great, I accidentally got another companion before shady
tawdry flower
It’s just a balance patch
And it’s in beta, so whenever that finishes. They didn’t announce a date
brisk trail
@brisk trail the ||Dusa|| relationship is really cute. If it bothers you, (end of relationship quest spoilers) ||you end up as close friends and not lovers||
@tawdry flower wait you say ||lovers|| are you implying you can ||bed them?|| LOL
I shouldn’t be surprised this game is rated T.
brisk trail
LOL
Who did you choose? Also spoiler tag it in case people don’t want to know.
I’m gonna choose ||Meg||.
fallen violet
I think the options are pretty limited so far
You can choose both
lol
What I did
fading gazelle
There are only ||2||
quaint hatch
You can choose everyone
brisk trail
||You can choose Meg, Than, and Dusa||
quaint hatch
Well everyone that can be
tawdry flower
You can ||bed 2 of the 3 options.|| further spoilers ||or two at once||
fallen violet
I chose all
fading gazelle
Keep it clean guys 
tawdry flower
Basically if you ||romance both Meg and Than||, they end up in a ||poly triad together||
brisk trail
Keep it clean guys
@fading gazelle sorry
robust sundial
the styx is never clean...
void vigil
but this server is!
fading gazelle
I find it hilarious that ||Meg|| even allows that since she does punish oath breakers and what not
robust sundial
maybe because ||you don't swear an oath to her ?||
fading gazelle
So the fact that she approves of the Poly relationship was strange at first
robust sundial
brisk trail
Wait aren’t they ||siblings?||
tawdry flower
It’s not breaking an oath if you never make an oath
void vigil
yes, guys, #h1-story-discussion?
quaint hatch
Hawt
robust sundial
It’s not breaking an oath if you never make an oath
@tawdry flower https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402
void vigil
no they are not
brisk trail
Ohhh
deep geyser
Yeah im romancing ||both|| because as a bi dude they both fit what I'm looking for in someone lol
brisk trail
Lol
quaint hatch
Well thanks for that ig
hard kelp
i just unlocked aspects for weapons should i invest in stuff
hard kelp
yea
static wadi
so what the question
hard kelp
like is there good ones to get this early in the game
hard kelp
what weapons are those for
static wadi
bow
hard kelp
i like the shield
hard kelp
what level should i get it to
static wadi
4-5 too
more shields
btw i give u advice
unlock aspect
try it with skelly
DO NOT LEAVE THE ROOM
exit game
start again
blood will be back
so if u dont like aspect
u can have blood back
hard kelp
is there enough blood in the game to get all the upgrades or no
tawdry flower
You can also trade up gems to keys to nectar to diamonds to Ambrosia and trade that for Blood
zealous gull
So I'm playing with the piercing butterfly trinket and I'm in the temple of styx doing the tunnels. The trinket** does not** give me the attack boost if i clear a room in those tunnels without getting hit... is it suppose to work like that?
tawdry flower
Which is 1000 gems or 100 keys
It’s only on the full tunnel for butterfly and plume
zealous gull
ewwwwww that's rough.
tawdry flower
So you have to beat all 6 rooms to get that boost
static wadi
@zealous gull only for last room in every root
noble marsh
Does Cosmic Egg actually increase the chance of getting chaos gates?
tawdry flower
Meanwhile, ||Persephone’s keepsake|| counts each individual room in each tunnel for Styx
tawdry flower
The ||Pom|| keepsake from ||Persephone||
static wadi
||Demeter|| boon for upgrading rarity and shop items also counts every room
hardy escarp
Wait so is it a general thought that lighting rod is bad?
Because I really really like it
static wadi
@hardy escarp zeus artemida?
hardy escarp
yes
static wadi
well i do not like this boon much
i mean u dont want ur stones on the floor
u want them in ememies
hardy escarp
I know but like
usually they can take out theseus before I can take out the mino
which is pretty good
static wadi
@hardy escarp btw this boon is like Dio Zeus duo
lusty meteor
I'm sorry for the unrelated topic change, but where do I find the Hades screenshots that you can take pressing F10?
lusty meteor
OH I think its f11 that I'm thinking of
When I press it, it says Hades_screenshot_XXX up on the upper left so doesn't that mean its saved to the computer separate from the steam screenshots?
crisp zodiac
Geez! Why did Theseus and Asterius just have the help of two gods simultaneously?!
static wadi
wdym
opaque nexus
what the hell why does it not show the white light when I fish
I missed a ||Chaos|| fish because of it
static wadi
rip
opaque nexus
but why
fading gazelle
I mean the "ding" sound is pretty noticable, but the white light doesn't show in Chaos?
I'm pretty sure there is a light
static wadi
@fading gazelle mb he saying about flash
fading gazelle
Oh apologies, is that what you mean?
ancient dirge
just bought the game. im not much of a gamer but this looked really interesting to me. it's a lot of fun, but the controls are really challenging. do most people play with a controller?
static wadi
@ancient dirge kbm here
woven cipher
It says that Meg's companion ||doesn't work in the fight against Hades until he "lifts the restriction". When does he do this? And will he ever do this for thanos' companion?||
static wadi
i'm ok
@woven cipher|| he does it to ANY comp||
after u find your ||work|| so u can speak with him in the House
woven cipher
||ah damn, the wiki says it can change... even shady?||
static wadi
and he let them
crisp zodiac
They got Dionysus blasts and Demeter blizzards at the same time! Ate two of my DDs, and now, a bunch of rats hit me without being anywhere near me, and snakestones trapped me, so I've lost three more!
static wadi
@woven cipher shady can be used from the start
woven cipher
ah ok, after I find ||work does that change only for meg's companion? or for every companion?||
static wadi
@woven cipher any
wind wedge
Essentially, it's ||people who work for Hades who can't/won't help until Hades lifts the restriction||
woven cipher
awesome, thank you ❤️
wind wedge
Right, because he's not employed by him 🙂
bitter ermine
Not like bouldy is bound to Hades
crisp zodiac
Just got Unhealthy Fixation. That'll help.
woven cipher
what happens to companion antos if there's only 1 enemy? does he still only deal 1500 damage, or 2x that?
frigid crown
he does 2x
woven cipher
thanks 😄
brisk trail
This game > Every game that has ever been released
I said what I said
Hades is the greatest game ever created
tawdry flower
Top 10
brisk trail
1#
plain lava
I've finally gotten good enough at the game that I can keep clearing multiple runs in a row. It only took 30 hours
tawdry flower
Celeste is always #1 for me
brisk trail
It’s warranted hype
plain lava
I absolutely love this game. But it's not even top 10 for me
woven cipher
transistor is literally right there on another channel
smoky spoke
Does hades backup your save files in steam?
plain lava
I'm willing to throw 200 hours into this game though, that's how good it is
smoky spoke
I need to format my pc
static wadi
@brisk trail how old are you if it's not a secret?
static wadi
that's explains a lot
brisk trail
How so
static wadi
nvm
plain lava
Huh?
gusty slate
static wadi
you are young and easy to impress
brisk trail
Untrue
plain lava
Okay boomer
brisk trail
I’m actually very picky when it comes to games
I love mythology however
That is definitely a factor
plain lava
Mythology is great, it adds another layer of charm to this game
brisk trail
Agreed
static wadi
game lore is kinda far from original mythology imo
plain lava
The point is that it is a different take on said mythology. Plenty of games do this
pliant dawn
I mean that sort of stuff differentiates with every retelling of mythology.
gusty slate
I mean sure, but at the end of the day it's a creative work from SGG. They built a pretty cool universe
brisk trail
Neither is God Of War but people love that
plain lava
You didn't play God of War?
gusty slate
Nope
brisk trail
I didn’t play God Of War either
timid gull
donde se habla en español?
brisk trail
I’m quite retro to be honest
hushed mantle
is it intended that you can proceed to the next room while being in a chest trial?
plain lava
No se
timid gull
xd
static wadi
@hushed mantle yup
brisk trail
I love the modern spin on this game
How a lot of the gods appear black and how you can romance both a male and a female
hushed mantle
@static wadi thx, i'll keep that in mind
tawdry flower
What’s your definition of retro, @brisk trail ?
static wadi
@brisk trail lol aincent greek was ok with homosexual
i mean patrocles and achiles was not a devs idea it was real story
brisk trail
What’s your definition of retro, @brisk trail ?
@tawdry flower Nintendo and I don’t care about graphics
worthy egret
hades gae
tawdry flower
In fact, the men were so often homosexual that they had to be trained before being married in some Ancient Greek areas
gusty slate
Wouldn't say Hades is the happiest chap
static wadi
whatt is chap
plain lava
I play on PC
hushed mantle
same
static wadi
btw Hades is one of the most decent gods in myths
plain lava
To me nothing compares to a keyboard and mouse
static wadi
he has only 1 wife he really loves her
brisk trail
Hades is criminalized by people
gusty slate
I'm terrible with controllers, so kbm Igo
static wadi
and he really sad when she leaves him for her olympian family
brisk trail
I think Hades is the most relatable god
tawdry flower
I like the 80s arcade games myself. Space Invaders and Tetris are excellent, in almost every updated version or original
tawdry flower
For a goddess of love, she cares more about loving everyone
brisk trail
I just went through my last run of Hades just now. I burnt out super hard on the game after 120+ hours of game time
So the money spent was worth it
However, I'm finding these small frustrations here and there, and roguelikes are only so much fun due to their repetitive nature
Hades is my favorite game of all time
Wish they didn't take the Epic deal. I would have been all over playing it when it was in its earliest phases
woven cipher
is there any reason to keep giving ambrosia to characters after you get their companion?
tawdry flower
I’m at about 120 hours as well. It just made me want to replay other SGG options
static wadi
@brisk trail arent you young enough to say "of all time"?)
gusty slate
Of course, I'm sure SGG would be happy to know that you enjoyed
static wadi
@woven cipher story
brisk trail
and you know, Epic are partially owned by a company which actively promotes actions which are akin to the holocaust.
static wadi
sympathy
gusty slate
Ambrosia for dialogue and bonds, otherwise not much? I know there might be prophecy stuff
brisk trail
I don’t understand you @static wadi, I can say it’s my favorite game of all time because it is?
I been gaming since I was 6.
tawdry flower
You haven’t experienced that many games, even if that’s the case
static wadi
@brisk trail "i still do not understand why did my father didnt laugh when i come at house with a girl in my 16 and said this is love of all my life"
brisk trail
I have played retro games, Xbox, PS, and Nintendo games.
gusty slate
Why is someone's opinion being bashed on 'ere?
brisk trail
It's so difficult I know
but the dude likes his roguelike a lot
@brisk trail “i still do not understand why did my father didnt laugh when i come at house with a girl in my 16 and said this is love of all my life”
@static wadi ? Sounds foolish. I’m smarter than that.
tawdry flower
It’s because they’re treating it like it’s not an opinion.
gusty slate
Anyways, just leave it be, gznm must mean well
tawdry flower
You didn’t at first
You said it was the greatest game of all time. This game is better than any other game.
brisk trail
This conversation is stupid
That’s my opinion yes
I personally believe this is the greatest game of all time
Let's talk about how it would be cool to kill titans and kill Heracles
static wadi
@brisk trail leave the heracles away
he suffered enough
and just let him his godlike afterlife in olympus
brisk trail
Hercules is overused by the world
Zagreus is fresh
Yeah but fighting Heracles would be so much cooler than fighting Theseus
Plus, Theseus's gimmick and lack of character development make him boring
like, it's amusing the first two times
then after that, it's just like
"yeah we get it, he's an idiot"
gusty slate
Theseus is a good pal
brisk trail
Yeah, but characters who live off of a gimmick rather than being an actual character are boring unless they die and stay dead
tawdry flower
But he refuses to even listen to you when you tell him things about yourself
Like, easily he could acknowledge those things and then progress to “Then this will be a fine battle!”
gusty slate
I feel he is rather set in his ways, but overtime I felt he sorta respects us
tawdry flower
The last few times I’ve fought him he’s said I’m trying to ||corrupt Asterius to steal him away, and then attacks me||
If this settles a default text, I’m going to get bored of it.
static wadi
@tawdry flower so they will surprise you soon
tawdry flower
Ah, nice, something to look forward to I guess
brisk trail
@tawdry flower You're about to run out all the contextual dialogue
so don't worry
I've done so on my file
And I get that you can only put in so much contextual dialogue
static wadi
there are always some funny thing to hear
brisk trail
but considering the main conflict of the game ends after only a few runs, and every time you get to the top, it just gives you a "LOL U DIE ANYWAYS" message, it's just boring
tawdry flower
I’ve done the former
static wadi
@azure kestrel 1st of all most of it is kinda spoiler
2nd - keep playing
not kinda but 100% spoilers
gusty slate
Yeah that's normal, spoiler out some of your message, it's a spoiler on who and how for that keepsake specifically. Keep playing until you get ||end credits||
Maybe 10-15 total clears? I lost count tbh
azure kestrel
So sorry, I thought here was spoiler permitted, won't happen again
gusty slate
Ah you're fine, even in #h1-story-discussion v1.0 stuff is spoilerish territory
Good luck on your runs!
azure kestrel
@gusty slate thanks! And again, apologies to the channel and to anybody I might spolied something
gusty slate
To spoiler a message use || (both of these bars) on both sides of your message. Alternatively can highlight and you'll see a popup appear
static wadi
@azure kestrel just delete ur message
gusty slate
Wait a second @azure kestrel you might need to do another run and should be able to... you already hit what I said lol
azure kestrel
@gusty slate thanks, I didn't know how to spolier a section of the message
@static wadi done
static wadi
thx
gusty slate
As you already had ||Persephone return|| so I think it should take a run to reset the house... otherwise keep playing and talking to em after runs
After maybe like 6-10 maybe a bug? lol
azure kestrel
@gusty slate that's weird because ||persephone came back|| and I've done like 15 successful runs, I hope it isn't glitched, it's the only I'm missing
gusty slate
Did you do one more after that event?
brisk trail
We really should stop spoilering non-spoilers here
gusty slate
if I recall I was able to do that at the same time, but I had given ||Hades|| a nectar ages ago
azure kestrel
@gusty slate the opportunity hasn't presented itself, there's been plenty of conversations with him but no option for nectar, I was able to give him one right at the start of the game but that was it
gusty slate
Weird, do a few more runs and talk to everyone on your way
azure kestrel
@gusty slate will do, thanks for the help!
gusty slate
Yeah, sorry if I can't help further, I haven't gotten my new save at that point yet to see if there are other pre-reqs I'm not aware of
He should budge eventually, keep it up 👍
azure kestrel
@gusty slate no problem and yeah it's weird, nothing on google so I'll keep escaping! Cheers!
static wadi
@azure kestrel did u finish codex about him?
azure kestrel
@static wadi yes I did, it says entry complete but the affinity is stuck at only one heart full
quiet gull
Took me several runs after credits, just keep trying
tawdry flower
I think I had to overhear a few dual conversations with ||Persephone|| and him before the dialogue to unlock the rest showed up
crisp zodiac
I love the one shade that's Zag's fan in the crowd. Wonder if there's supposed to be any significance there.
static wadi
@crisp zodiac looks like no
i hoped it ariadne
but i asked several times
and looks like it's just red shade
azure kestrel
@quiet gull got it, I'll keep at it!
brisk trail
So I just got the ability to ||reveal my weapons with titan blood and lowkey I’m not sure where to even begin||
This has to do with titan blood only click if you don’t care about what it’s used for
gusty slate
Just unlocked all the weapons?
static wadi
@brisk trail u can try any aspect with skelly and exit game so blood will be back
brisk trail
Oh really?
gusty slate
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
static wadi
only thing u need to know
gusty slate
Or do the skelly thing yeah
static wadi
dont leave room
gusty slate
Just don't go into bedroom as that saves
static wadi
or yes u can even test it in the run
gusty slate
Just don't die or clear
static wadi
and give up option back you
Just don't die
@gusty slate that's good advice sounds like Hypnos'
brisk trail
Question, so there are aspects for some gods I’m assuming if I speak to them I can get the aspect
Or can I unlock it now
Nvm I’ll just see for myself
static wadi
@brisk trail u mean secret aspects?
brisk trail
No I figured it out
static wadi
basic aspects can be unlocked only with blood
brisk trail
Can they be maxed out or no?
Is there an infinite amount of times you can level them up?
brisk trail
Okay good
static wadi
5 for any aspect
however they need different amount of blood
1/1/1/1/1 for 1st
1/2/3/4/5 for 2nd
2/2/3/4/5 for 3rd
3/3/3/3/3 for last
static wadi
shield is stronger
fading gazelle
Debatable
static wadi
more reliable i say
fading gazelle
Also debatable
static wadi
shield protects
shield attacks
shield make u move
giant dash through the screen? no problem
fading gazelle
Fists go brrr
static wadi
redacted charged giant fire beam? no problem
fading gazelle
Lmao I get that shield is great and all but it's still subjective 😅
static wadi
yup
gusty slate
Shield is a safer option imo
static wadi
but let's agree shield is easier
fading gazelle
Yeah
crisp zodiac
Quick, spoiler-free, TL;DR version of unlocking each weap's hidden aspects:
Varatha: Do this first. Unlock at least 5 other aspects and fight the final boss, win or lose. Keep talking to Achilles.
Malphon: Fight Asterius as a miniboss with Malphon at least once; he'll comment on them. Then, see "Others."
Exagryph: Accept a boon from Zeus with Exagryph; he'll comment on it. Then, see "Others."
Others: 1) Unlock Varatha's. 2) Spend at least 5 titan blood in all on the weapon (unlocks + upgrades) in question. 2b) See Malphon and Exagryph comments for them. 3) Talk with the right people for each weap: Nyx for Stygius, Chaos for Aegis, Artemis for Coronacht, Asterius for Malphon, and Zeus for Exagryph.
Zagreus will recite the incantations to unlock the final aspects upon interacting with the upgrade menus, so don't get worried and start writing extra notes for yourself.
@brisk trail
gusty slate
I ma steal that
brisk trail
Thx I screenshot it
gusty slate
Really nice write-up, thanks
crisp zodiac
Happy to help.
fading gazelle
All the best!
static wadi
unlucky
brisk trail
What boons best suited to go after the "30% Thanatos buff" achievement? I'm quite tired after getting close to 24 or 26 by the end of Styx.
gusty slate
Maybe Athena's legendary if you can grab it
Building up Athena isn't a bad idea either since deflect is nice
ancient dirge
dumb question... are the messages you receive at the beginning of each run only relevant to that run or do they carry over?
static wadi
@gusty slate yup also she have not bad sacles
gusty slate
The Hades saying you're a baddie? No those are dialogue flashbacks, purely there to build Zagreus' motivation/resolve imo
static wadi
@ancient dirge they can be different
sometimes i restart my run several times
and have different
woeful ledge
Can anyone confirm whether there is achievement support in the EGS version of Hades?
static wadi
ok it was easy
drifting meteor
So are there any hidden requirements to getting the ||autograph for hypnos?|| I ||sandbagged to the minotaur until Hypnos stopped giving me dialogue and have done 9 runs since|| and still haven't gotten the ||autograph||.
tawdry flower
In the one on one fight?
drifting meteor
yes, in the one-on-one fight.
gusty slate
Might need Theseus to kill you
drifting meteor
fun
gusty slate
I'm not sure though as I got it by accident... I actually don't ever recall seeing the outcome
twilit stag
Howdy
static wadi
sup
twilit stag
I've been nonstop playing this game for like 6 days
I cannot believe the amount of detail and depth this game has
I keep finding new and interesting builds
static wadi
well SGG games famous for that
twilit stag
THis is the first SGG game I've ever played, I need to give their other titles a try
because holy crap, I havent enjoyed a roguelite like this in ages
tawdry flower
@drifting meteor when searching for the word ||signature|| on the signature, somebody mentioned a prerequisite ||Fist dialogue||
brisk trail
The other SGG games are wildy different tho in gameplay, I'd say this one's is the better
tawdry flower
My favorite other game by SGG is Bastion. It’s the most similar in terms of combat
fading gazelle
Pyre is my personal fav but Hades is definitely their most polished game
twilit stag
Oh yeah, but in terms of just well made games, thats the stuff that gets me going
static wadi
Transistor fan here
tawdry flower
Transistor I’m giving another try because I never got very far in it last time
twilit stag
I love it when theres obvious attentiona nd love put into a game
gusty slate
I've only played Hades, the other games don't interest me as much though
static wadi
i cant replay transistor more, cus end killing me
good music
good story
good art
good voices
tawdry flower
I’d try Pyre if it was on console or mobile
fading gazelle
Good game
static wadi
that what can i say about any SGG game
twilit stag
Pyre is what I'm looking forward to next, also didnt realise SGG made bastion so I guess I have played another one of their titles
brisk trail
Transistor's story and the signature stuff of the devs are pretty well but the combat, it somehow goes well for the first part but not recursion
quaint hatch
I'd try pyre if it was on swtich
fading gazelle
@static wadi Try watching rite nights
static wadi
@fading gazelle what is it
static wadi
it's like pvp?
fading gazelle
Hol up I'll link you a vod
static wadi
no thx
fading gazelle
Oh okay
static wadi
it's not even intalled
dusky quarry
hello yes, i love sisyphus, that is all
dusky quarry
🥺🥺
dusky quarry
||nope||
twilit stag
aw
static wadi
you are not good enough boyo
quaint hatch
Gotta keep his connections secret
static wadi
ok 2nd skelly prize here i go
twilit stag
still havent figured out who he works for
dusky quarry
good ol skelly
twilit stag
kinda wanna keep it that way tbh
tawdry flower
You do find out eventually if you keep playing
twilit stag
I appreciate his company more than anything, what a chill guy
brisk trail
He's paid just to stand there and get bashed, respect his professionalism. LOL
static wadi
or not(
twilit stag
I really hope theres some extra content in the future with something about helios
I waaaant fire boyo so bad
imagine a fire lightning build 
quaint hatch
Would love to see nyx other children
dense folio
I want nemesis to pester zagreus for no reason
static wadi
i do not think we will see any new characters
dusky quarry
same, good idea
zenith crown
Where should I ask a mechanics question?
static wadi
@zenith crown try here if it doesnt contain much spoilers
zenith crown
Alright. How does the buff from Aspect of Achilles interact with Crystal Beam? Is the full beam duration empowered?
flat vapor
the base damage is +125%, like all other casts
there's nothing special happening here, if that's what you mean
crimson canopy
lmao @twilit stag AFAIK no, but don't give up hope
woven cipher
is there any way to see the reload timing of the rail's special?
brisk trail
You can usually fire again right after the first bomb lands.
north pier
yeah the bomb landing is the trigger
woven cipher
I'm using the rocket launcher daed upgrade
fierce belfry
is there any tricks to beating hades
quiet gull
is there any tricks to beating ||hades||
@fierce belfry Hit him and dont get hit
fierce belfry
uh
north pier
||kill the skulls, don't get hit by the skulls when they're going out, typically focus on the enemies he spawns, know when to back off and when to go in||
fierce belfry
he doe scount as a boss riguht?
north pier
basically get gud
fierce belfry
ookk
north pier
yep
north pier
might take a few tries
woven cipher
||the skulls has a timer on top of them, they explode to green wave if it runs out. I didnt realise this until recently||
fierce belfry
its my second
zealous flare
Stand behind him
zealous flare
Hes a lot like asterius
north pier
he's got moves from basically every boss
crimson canopy
@fierce belfry here's what worked for me:
- ||this sounds stupid but learn his attacks - he hits super hard but super slow, actually taking the time to dodge instead of spamming damage will help a lot||
- ||prioritize the adds - avoiding his damage usually isn't crazy hard. This includes the pots!||
- ||use the pillars to dodge around, though he can attack through them||
- || know when his invuln phases are, it sucks to use a major call and waste it on his iframes||
- ||the acorn keepsake is super useful - can prevent like 300+ damage||
bright lance
The one thing that made me 200% better at the game is to change my playstyle
Previously, I would rush in and try to maximize damage because I wanted to kill bosses as fast as possible, but I would always take a lot of damage
Then, I realized I have to focus on not getting hit more than** trying to hit the enemy**
When you're more patient and focus on avoiding getting hit more, it's really easy to stay alive, and this one change let me suddenly start winning my runs
Sounds super obvious but I had to actively think that way for it to work
north pier
yeah same, this becomes especially obvious when you start bumping up the heat
restarted in hell mode and got rocked
had to basically relearn the whole game
gritty ocean
hello!
fierce belfry
why is he so much harder the second time
gritty ocean
ive only got up to elysium rn but evasion is so much fun
fierce belfry
not like after i kill him once
gritty ocean
dusa emote 
crimson canopy
hahaha right? Got my first clear in 14 runs and my 2nd after more than 30
nova burrow
my biggest flaw against the final boss is dashing too early when the boss is about to do their spin move. I need to learn to delay dashing for a moment because i always dash and then get hit by spin lol
woven cipher
is there any proc to being able|| to steal charon's gold||? I only ever got it on tartarus, when I'm still weak
crimson canopy
@woven cipher apparently not, except that it ||never happens in the pre-boss shop||
quiet gull
my biggest flaw against the final boss is dashing too early when the boss is about to do their spin move. I need to learn to delay dashing for a moment because i always dash and then get hit by spin lol
@nova burrow Just keep dashing away breh, don't stop till you're on the other side
flat vapor
it's a 22% chance to spawn in any midbiome shop
crimson canopy
@nova burrow tbh that's why I often grab hermes' ||extra dash|| boon bc I need the crutch lol
gritty ocean
i have a super off topic question cause i haven’t been able to figure out where to give community feedback, so i wanted to try this server - i can wait a minute if yall are talking strats still but i’ll draft it out
north pier
||the direction of the hades spin always messes with me, especially when he's coming out of invisibility||
woven cipher
22%??? that's way higher than I thought, I swear I got it twice in like 10 runs
north pier
@gritty ocean go for it
tiny plinth
well i mean.. that is like 20%
fierce belfry
im not dead thouhg
crimson canopy
@gritty ocean there used to be a feedback channel but now that hades is fuly released I don't think super giant is really tweaking much - except some balance stuff AFAIK
gritty ocean
it’s about voice lines!
nova burrow
@quiet gull i try but sometimes i dont get the extra dash boon and can't get far enough out of range and get hit by spin right when i stop the dash. i could probably not get hit ever if i time it right during the dash invulnerable period
crimson canopy
hell yeah!
woven cipher
I mean I'm kinda salty that I've lost|| the hermes bet, but I assume the erebus gate will enable me to face him soon? I don't have the diamonds right now||
static wadi
@woven cipher ||erebus gate have nothing with Charon||
fierce belfry
damn stubborn roots though
crimson canopy
@nova burrow FWIW it's hard to dodge out of the way without more than 1 or 2 dashes unless you go perpendicular
nova burrow
yeah definitely
north pier
very spicy take, stubborn roots is bad
nova burrow
i panic and just dash right when i see the white pre spin tell from the final boss.. just need to wait half a second before dashing!
woven cipher
I guess I better RNG up and back to back kill him
bright lance
So I just finished a run with the shield, and got a complete Zeus build on special attack
and it was soooo good! You can just run away, throw the shield, and let all the lightning bolt boons do the work for you, and the dps racks up high
fierce belfry
stubborn helped me so much
crimson canopy
lol it doesn't enable you like some duo boons but I've definitely won at least once because stubborn roots + blocking = don't die
gritty ocean
okay, here’s my only major complaint with the game - given that hades is about a guy trying to escape from his terrible abusive dad who refuses to let him leave and calls him a terrible person and degrades him at every turn etc - i was wondering if it would be possible to make an option to mute and/or disable Hades’ conversational voice lines when you’re in the House, especially the random ones where he’s degrading, insulting, and making fun of you while you’re talking to Cerberus or just walking around? having run away from home myself - and my dad was a lot like hades - being in the House can get sort of unbearable, and I can’t play for too long
bright lance
also meg hasn't shown up in the house for the past 5 runs, and I'm trying to get her companion
Is there something I have to do or is it just RNG?
crimson canopy
@fierce belfry no spoilers pls (or use spoiler tags ||like this||)
gritty ocean
(i like reading the dialogue but hearing him is just... something else)
crimson canopy
some people don't even want to hear about the other bosses, keepsakes, etc but IMO final boss and everything after is definitely spoilers
fierce belfry
||why is there golden armour on asterius and theseus ||
crimson canopy
@bright lance afaik you have to ||get past the furies/reach zone 2|| for her to show up in the house
bright lance
@crimson canopy all my past 5 runs have been clears, so im not sure
fierce belfry
ugh i need 30 more keys now
crimson canopy
Probably RNG then - I definitely remember looking for her for a while at some point lol
bright lance
oh dang ok, hopefully i get her soon to get the companion
crimson canopy
now that I finally have seen like 95% of the content I looked up everything but it's true what people have said, basically unlocking things comes down to talking to characters a lot
rip steam trading card prices aren't dirt cheap yet
slender skiff
I have never lost a run with Stubborn Roots.
gritty ocean
what’s stubborn roots do again?
slender skiff
When you run out of Death Defiances, you have regenerating health.
bright lance
I remember once having a boon that regains like 3% health or something for every attack you land, anyone know what its called?
flat vapor
cursed slash, hammer for sword
bright lance
thanks
crimson canopy
get it man
fallen violet
So basically
for my 32 heat run
its the regular game
except rooms suck bad
bosses are normal
I avoided FO2 like the plague
crimson canopy
yeah I remember other people talking about how on high heat the normal rooms are much hrader than the bosses and that aint me lol
gritty ocean
nice!!!!!!!!!
bright lance
Boon of Supergiant [Legendary]: Every time you finish a run of Hades, you're appreciation and excitement for the game increases by 4%
north pier
wait I have never seen that cast before in my life
fierce belfry
thank you guys
gusty slate
Tripply flare shows up for Hera aspect (bugged) and for legendary shield
fierce belfry
for hlepig me
north pier
I have like 100 runs under my belt how have i never seen that
fierce belfry
lmao
zenith mauve
Is there a known percentage of how many shades does hades grant vs deny?
it's like
less than 1% surely
fierce belfry
why isnt apollo in the game
gusty slate
It only pops up while using the aspects I mentioned, but that's just trippy shot/dio cast
north pier
||apollo is in the game, you see him after you beat hades ||
am i wrong for thinking literally every dio boon is hot garbage
ivory cape
i like dio
gritty ocean
i only like a couple of dio boons
north pier
DOT is so bad if it's every half second in this game, no?
fierce belfry
||apollo is in the game, you see him after you beat hades
@north pier HUH
north pier
have you beaten hades yet
fierce belfry
yes
north pier
oh then you met ||apollo 
||
zenith mauve
Technically that's ||Helios||
zenith mauve
||The sun||
fierce belfry
no where
zenith mauve
||Helios is literally the sun in Greek Mythology||
zenith mauve
Spoilers for end of run
fierce belfry
where is he doe
zenith mauve
troll
north pier
I'm literally memeing, it's a meme, like a joke, like ||haha you saw apollo since you saw the sun haha it's a meme ha wow laugh LAUGH RIGHT NOW ||
fierce belfry
wowwy
north pier
I don't hear laughing
fierce belfry
and what is ||gaun yu||
north pier
||I don't know||
north pier
In a way, yeah, might be interesting, but I think it's a little too on the nose for a game about escaping hell
gusty slate
Fire would conflict a bit with Dio, no? DoT
zenith mauve
||Gaun Yu is a guy from Chinese Mythology|||
north pier
yeah that's DIO's jam
zenith mauve
||All mythologies exist, apparently? Like King Arthur and Beowulf exist too||
fierce belfry
oh yea
zenith mauve
||It's just that Chaos is the actual Primordial God||
fierce belfry
ik
north pier
that's the implication yeah @zenith mauve
gusty slate
The 4th aspect of rail is quite amusing if you think about it
fierce belfry
chaos then nyx and somebody and another person
zenith mauve
Nyx and Erebus
fierce belfry
then gaea ourons
zenith mauve
Tho Erebus is more like a place?
fierce belfry
titans
zenith mauve
and not a dude
fierce belfry
erebus is technically still a thing right?
because nyx is a thing
oop
erebus is a place
north pier
@gusty slate I mean, if you're familiar with most mythologies and religions then basically*** all of them require that no others exist, so you could say that about any of the aspects tbh
fierce belfry
whats best spear aspect
north pier
i think achilles is generally seen as the best
zenith mauve
I think Hades is the best
fierce belfry
its the dash thing that does more damage from more upgrades
north pier
Depends, there are a ton of Hammer upgrades for spin attack so hades might actually be more consistent
fierce belfry
lol
zenith mauve
poetic
fierce belfry
wait thats the reason
zenith mauve
They are so random
Achiles teleport
what?
oh yeah
you dash where you throw
never use that tbh
north pier
That's.... the whole point of the achiles aspect
royal maple
that dash gives you huge dmg buff
north pier
literally the entire reason to use achilles aspect
sorry that sounds really condescending
north pier
i mean to say that the achilles aspect gives you a buff solely on that dash
brisk trail
100+ runs, and I never used Achilles >_> TIL that the dash is the best thing abt it
fierce belfry
im still confused with it
north pier
and the damage buff is substantial
plain lava
||Chaos Gate|| or Poseidon and Artemis door? 
brisk trail
I've been too complacent with Hades aspect
north pier
i think the trial is usually better than chaos, but it depends on the run
zenith mauve
@plain lava How far are you?
I tend to go for Chaos Gate early
But on Elysium and the like I don't
unless the options are like, really cosmetic
I think Pomegranate is the worst option easy
plain lava
Asphodel, first room actually
zenith mauve
Actually that's a lie. Worst option is key
brisk trail
No, key grants dice roll, that could be used for rolling the offered boons or doors
north pier
The pom is rather good...
brisk trail
I'd rather go for keys than pom
tawdry flower
The Achilles Dash reminded me of my favorite mobile game, Hoplite. Roguelike where one of the updates lets you teleport to your spear
north pier
uh no don't go for keys over pom
pom is actually so good guys, what
it's so much extra stuff
it's better than upgrading your common boon to heroic
tawdry flower
@north pier i use ||Persephone’s|| keepsake, so I never go for Poms
brisk trail
I only go for poms if its the only choice, or if it's vs coins lol
north pier
@tawdry flower ||NOOO THE ONE KEEPSAKE I DON'T HAVE YET||
static wadi
u cant choose keys or poms
tawdry flower
If you have the upgrade from Contractor @zenith mauve
plain lava
I go for coins. I just buy everything I can and it helps me get through my runs
static wadi
until it nectar pom
brisk trail
@zenith mauve yes, there'll be a contractor upgrade later that grants it
fierce belfry
whats the point of getting keys after you finish maxing out stuff
zenith mauve
will check after this run
static wadi
@fierce belfry rerolls and badges
zenith mauve
@fierce belfry Apparently you can gain rolls as you get more keys
static wadi
also broker
zenith mauve
What are the badges you speak of
tawdry flower
There’s titles for Zag that you can unlock after credits
static wadi
@zenith mauve lategame stuff
brisk trail
With keys that grant dice roll, at least I could salvage a bad run when i got lucky reroll and gain better boons
north pier
||>200 KEYS UPGRADE WHAAAAAAT||
static wadi
@north pier y
static wadi
@plain lava dusa stuff?
tawdry flower
I can get that one at any point because I have an abundance of gems @north pier
plain lava
Yes
plain lava
I'm trying to max out keepsakes, this one keeps me relatively healthy. I tend to play very reckless, so I appreciate the HP back
brisk trail
I just want to get to the part where I can ||romance Meg and Than at the same time|| already
plain hill
wait you don't have to choose ||between the romance options||? I've held off on making any more progress after that unlocked because I didn't know who to pick lol
ivory cape
theres what
flat vapor
you can choose both or neither if you want, there's no consequence to what choices you make
plain hill
I love it
romancing them asap then
fak just traded all my ambrosia for more blood though...
oh well, I'll get more soon enough
sage sleet
anyone know if cross-saves are still planned to be added this month or has it been pushed back?
tawdry flower
One of the SGG stopped by and said this month this past week
sage sleet
cool! thanks
static wadi
wait does eris affects ALL damage?
lost hazel
static wadi
lol i thought it works only for basic damage
coral vigil
static wadi
@coral vigil ask in build and combat mb
quiet gull
@quiet gull i try but sometimes i dont get the extra dash boon and can't get far enough out of range and get hit by spin right when i stop the dash. i could probably not get hit ever if i time it right during the dash invulnerable period
@nova burrow Two dashes are more than enough to get out of the way provided you remember he advances when he swings
candid bolt
What about one dash though?
quiet gull
One dash is probably not enough if you plan to dash away at the last second
hardy escarp
When I saw: ||Cerberus fed! (The bag is full of vermin)|| My face visually crumpled up
that's a yikes for me dawg
zenith crown
There are some good lines there.
opaque orbit
finally won a run with the gun
hadn't used aspect of hestia before, I'm really liking it
and of course when I got the prophecy reward for winning with every weapon I dumped almost all of it into upgrading hestia aspect
static wadi
@opaque orbit just dont take shotgun upgrade with it
opaque orbit
now I just need to win a run with one last mirror of night upgrade
the alternative to the second dash
that’s gonna be tough, I quite like having two dashes
opaque orbit
is it something I’m supposed to recognize?
static wadi
mb Zag's legs?
opaque orbit
hm, idk
static wadi
should i f10 that?
golden lichen
I managed to reach last boss and died. I crie ;-;
static wadi
@golden lichen do it again and win
golden lichen
Thanks mate 
static wadi
no time to cry freedom awaits
golden lichen
I was so close. If I hadn't gone for a certain last chamber before entering the boss fight, I wouldn't have lost almost all of my health bar and entered the boss fight with 19 health xD
And well this was my first time reaching this far so I had no idea what to really expect
static wadi
@golden lichen u faced him first time?
opaque orbit
tbh I’ll probably do my one dash run with shield, since I have a really solid game plan with it
since I use mouse and keyboard, I don’t have to dash attack in the same direction that I dash
karmic venture
I feel like for your average player Ares is almost a must
opaque orbit
really? I get a lot more out of athena boons myself
divine dash is my single favorite boon in the game
karmic venture
My favorite combo is the shield with athena’s dash and ares special
opaque orbit
actually yeah
if by special you mean call then I agree completely
actually by special you probably mean special
golden lichen
@static wadi Yup, was about to enter second phase
karmic venture
Literally the most OP combo without touching anything in the game
opaque orbit
I haven’t used ares special with shield yet
static wadi
@opaque orbit it's not bad build with Chaos aspect
opaque orbit
but ares call is a good way to compensate for otherwise low dps
golden lichen
Hmm I'll jot that down to try next, trying to make my first victory run with shield. My fav weapon ❤️
static wadi
esp if u have Aphro for attack and their duo
karmic venture
It’s hilarious. If you beef up shield throw with Ares doom to level 4
You can camp all the hardest enemies to death
opaque orbit
my shield strategy is 99% shield bash
karmic venture
Mine was until a recent run
opaque orbit
1% tossing out zeus aspect’s blitz disc for some extra damage
karmic venture
When you’re getting 2-300 damage from just throwing something 100 feet away
Over and over again
tawdry flower
It’s more effective on Bow Special or on the gun
karmic venture
It just makes you not want to do it anymore and just camp lol
opaque orbit
but why be 100 feet away when you could be point blank with a shield to keep you safe
tawdry flower
Or the shield special if you get the Hammer for + extra targets
golden lichen
I quite enjoy having Zeus's disc and Dio's Festive Fog (cast)
opaque orbit
although the 100 feet away thing is growing on me with hestia gun
karmic venture
I hate the gun
tawdry flower
I did until I tried unlocking for 4th Aspect for Gun
opaque orbit
I hated the gun too, but hestia aspect is very nice
takes a lot of upgrading to make it useful though
tawdry flower
And had to do 12 runs in a row to get the RNG dialogue
golden lichen
My only gripe with gun is sometimes firing at the wrong foe
opaque orbit
I don’t treat the boosted shot as a nice bonus, it’s the entire point
tawdry flower
My main gripe with gun is that the targeting for the special doesn’t account for bouncing off walls
opaque orbit
constantly shooting once and reloading like a sniper rifle
golden lichen
Oh true
opaque orbit
also yeah special targeting sucks
tawdry flower
The Rocket Special is a nice trade, though
opaque orbit
it goes up high, why does it have to bounce off things?
actually yeah I got rocket special in my winning run
tawdry flower
Or the five special launches for less damage
golden lichen
@karmic venture Which shield aspect do you use for the Athena + Ares combo?
opaque orbit
alternating between hestia shots and rockets, dealing 200-300 damage with both is very nice
karmic venture
I actually haven’t gotten to that yet. I haven’t beaten the game but I’ve gotten far enough to where I know the whole thing if that makes sense.
Like my last 2 runs were 2 hits away from beating the final boss
opaque orbit
so you’re on regular shield for now?
opaque orbit
nice
karmic venture
I’d probably take aspect of Zeus
hushed hamlet
Hera Bow with Aphrodite, Athena and Charged shots (both Artemis and Aphro)
My thumb is dead it has to be my longest run
karmic venture
Aspect of chaos is a little too situational for me
hushed hamlet
cuz my dps was crap
opaque orbit
aspect of chaos seems like an interesting thing to build into
karmic venture
I try to get 900% on shield at the very beginning of the run
golden lichen
Hmm, I'll attempt that A+A combo with Zeus aspect. Let's see how it goes xD
opaque orbit
but I’m not about the shield throwing life
karmic venture
Trust me dude
hardy escarp
e
karmic venture
Just camp ||Hades|| and ||Theseus|| to infinity and you’ll never have to get close to them, and you’ll end up doing like 300 damage with a beefed up ares boon without getting within a whole screen of either of them
karmic venture
M-dash